Let's celebrate Sochan's billion tonight

[baseline bum]

1, assist
0 fg
0 3fg
0, pts
0 ftm
0 fta
0, reb
0 blk
0 stl
0 to

[get_mills_out]

:bobo Andrei Kirilenko 2.0

[objective]

Did you know he was the next Rodman? Because Rodman changed his hair color! And Sochan does too!

That's so cool, Brian Wright can't miss

[TheGreatYacht]

The PATFO fluffers that somehow fooled half the fanbase into think this net negative scrub is good won’t see heaven. It’s absolutely disgusting that this shitter somehow made it into H-E-B commercials. Not only does that mean our fans are retarded for thinking highly of this cardio merchant, but so does the team. Time to trade is now before Brian Wrong has the opportunity to give him a second contract

He does absolutely nothing that Keita Bates Diop wasn’t doing as a starter.

[Ditty]

The PATFO fluffers that somehow fooled half the fanbase into think this net negative scrub is good won’t see heaven. It’s absolutely disgusting that this shitter somehow made it into H-E-B commercials. Not only does that mean our fans are retarded for thinking highly of this cardio merchant, but so does the team. Time to trade is now before Brian Wrong has the opportunity to give him a second contract

The trade deadline passed.

[poopbox]

remember when some of us thought moving sochan back to power forward would keep him from embarrassing himself as a point guard:rollin

[TheGreatYacht]

The trade deadline passed.
Yeah, no shit. Soass trade value will never peak higher than it is now after fluking his way into the rising stars game where he also put up a bunch of 0’s across the box score

[rascal]

Did he get benched?

Only 16 minutes

Draft Sarr if the Spurs have a chance. He'll at least be a better finisher at the rim and rebounder and help Wemby out on defense with his size/length combination.

Sochan's too small at 6'8" with limited jumping ability and players often blow right past him(defense is over rated in here) and he isn't strong in any area offensively either.

[baseline bum]

See, Victor's not the only one who can put up these wild and unheard of statlines

[baseline bum]

Did he get benched?

Only 16 minutes

Draft Sarr if the Spurs have a chance. He'll at least be a better finisher at the rim and rebounder and help Wemby out on defense with his size/length combination.

Sochan's too small at 6'8" with limited jumping ability and players often blow right past him(defense is over rated in here) and he isn't strong in any area offensively either.

Sarr's going #2 at worst, so your best case is a 27.4% chance at him. But Sarr + Dillingham or Sarr + Sheppard would be nice.

[Thomas82]

Sarr's going #2 at worst, so your best case is a 27.4% chance at him. But Sarr + Dillingham or Sarr + Sheppard would be nice.

That's exactly what I'm hoping for.

[poopbox]

Did he get benched?

Only 16 minutes

Draft Sarr if the Spurs have a chance. He'll at least be a better finisher at the rim and rebounder and help Wemby out on defense with his size/length combination.

Sochan's too small at 6'8" with limited jumping ability and players often blow right past him(defense is over rated in here) and he isn't strong in any area offensively either.

Probably need to legit get the number 1 pick to draft Sarr. But if we do it's a no brainer to take him and trade Sochan for whatever.

[baseline bum]

Probably need to legit get the number 1 pick to draft Sarr. But if we do it's a no brainer to take him and trade Sochan for whatever.

Sochan might get you a second in trade. Might as well just hang onto him while he's cheap and see if he can develop into a reasonable bench player.

[sfernald]

There’s only a couple players we should keep for next year. It’s time to do a Colangelo and blow this roster up! It is so pathetically bad.

No more taking wild shots on risky draft picks with a generational player in our grasp. I would get rid of everyone not named Wemby, Sochan, Vassell and maybe Tre (backup only).

We need Royce ONeils, Patrick Beverleys and Otto Porters! Let’s go make the play in next year!

[slick'81]

Nona double for sochan

[objective]

Sochan's future is as a wing defender who is doesn't create events, can't score, and will be used too much by Pop.

He's basically on his way to be the next Ime Udoka, King of the scrubs who was soooo tough because of one story about a third world gym shoving match that became a tall tale of Ime the hero but when he got put on anyone good he was wrecked

[TekXX]

Jay Bilas - "a bit of a reach" 2022 NBA draft

[NASpurs]

Jay Bilas - "a bit of a reach" 2022 NBA draft

Reaching is what you should be doing when you're drafting after the lottery. These dumbasses still draft like during TD's time.

[rascal]

Sochan has role player hops.

Role players need to come off the bench not get starters minutes but the Spurs are so weak on the frontline outside of Wemby Sochan is playing as a starter.

[poopbox]

Sochan has role player hops.

Role players need to come off the bench not get starters minutes but the Spurs are so weak on the frontline outside of Wemby Sochan is playing as a starter.

To the bench? After we draft Sarr, Sochan will go back to being our starting point guard :downspin:

[ambchang]

In their second years:
- Spurstalk legend and 1st ballot HoFer Alperen Sengun had 0 pts, 2 PF, 1 Tov, 0 blk, 1 stl, 2 asst and 9 rebounds for a 24 pt loss over 22 minutes vs. Boson., a 4 pt, 3 foul, 3 tov, 0 blk, 1 stl, 3 asst 7 reb game for 7 pt loss vs. GSW.
- Giannis had 4 games with a negative GameScore, same as Jeremy Sochan (so far). 18 games with a Game Score of 15 higher, while Sochan have 8 (so far). Not saying Sochan will be anything close to Sochan, but shockingly, raw players improve, and we all agree Sochan is raw.

Sochan has been playing like garbage the last couple of games, but I love to see the same people come in here and talk shit after these games, but stay absolutely silent when he had a few good games. Over the course of the year, he is averaging 11.2 pts, 6.1 rebounds, 3.5 assists with a 10.9 PER. He can't shoot for shit but these are things that can be worked on. Blake Wesley went from shooting 30% from 2 last year to a 60% 2 pt shooter this year. Small samples sizes and all, but they can work on these things.

Compared to his draft class, he is ranking #9 in scoring, #8 in rebounds, #5 in assists and #7 in minutes. His shooting is shockingly bad (#18 in FG%, #33 in 3%, #30 in FT%) and his advanced stats are the bottom of the pile (playing for a horrible team does that), but his raw counting stats are respectable, and pretty much where he should stand in his draft range. It actually compares to players who are much hyped like Keegan Murray, Jabari Smith, Jaden Ivey, Mathurin, Sharpe, and much better than players like Dyson Dnaiels, Johnny Davis, Ousame Dieng. Of all the players drafted after Sochan, Jalen Williams, Walker Kessler, and Jalen Duren were the only ones who were clearly better, with maybe Tari Eason as a comparable player.

I agree he is incredibly inconsistent, have many areas he can work on, and have some really ghastly games, but I just do not understand the hate.

[Mugen]

Jesus fn christ, that's bad.

[exstatic]

Dayum. He was 1 assist away from a Tony Snell cardio.

[JPB]

remember when some of us thought moving sochan back to power forward would keep him from embarrassing himself as a point guard:rollin
Or that spending some time at PG would actually be good for his develpment at PF, not at all messing up with it... But I guess we'll see the positive results of all that brilliant, patient strategy in 3 or 4 years

[JPB]

In their second years:
- Spurstalk legend and 1st ballot HoFer Alperen Sengun had 0 pts, 2 PF, 1 Tov, 0 blk, 1 stl, 2 asst and 9 rebounds for a 24 pt loss over 22 minutes vs. Boson., a 4 pt, 3 foul, 3 tov, 0 blk, 1 stl, 3 asst 7 reb game for 7 pt loss vs. GSW.
.

That's all you could find :lol... no offense but that even further proves how bad a night Sochan had...with 2 ass and 9 rbs or 3 ass and 7rbs, at least Segun was finding ways to try and help his team in some fashion, mostly grabbing rbds. and passing a little... Sochan has 1 ass and... that's it.

[spurraider21]

those are roy hibbert numbers

[spurraider21]

Sochan's future is as a wing defender who is doesn't create events, can't score, and will be used too much by Pop.

He's basically on his way to be the next Ime Udoka, King of the scrubs who was soooo tough because of one story about a third world gym shoving match that became a tall tale of Ime the hero but when he got put on anyone good he was wrecked
are we sure he's a wing defender?

[spurraider21]

In their second years:
- Spurstalk legend and 1st ballot HoFer Alperen Sengun had 0 pts, 2 PF, 1 Tov, 0 blk, 1 stl, 2 asst and 9 rebounds for a 24 pt loss over 22 minutes vs. Boson., a 4 pt, 3 foul, 3 tov, 0 blk, 1 stl, 3 asst 7 reb game for 7 pt loss vs. GSW.
- Giannis had 4 games with a negative GameScore, same as Jeremy Sochan (so far). 18 games with a Game Score of 15 higher, while Sochan have 8 (so far). Not saying Sochan will be anything close to Sochan, but shockingly, raw players improve, and we all agree Sochan is raw.

Sochan has been playing like garbage the last couple of games, but I love to see the same people come in here and talk shit after these games, but stay absolutely silent when he had a few good games. Over the course of the year, he is averaging 11.2 pts, 6.1 rebounds, 3.5 assists with a 10.9 PER. He can't shoot for shit but these are things that can be worked on. Blake Wesley went from shooting 30% from 2 last year to a 60% 2 pt shooter this year. Small samples sizes and all, but they can work on these things.

Compared to his draft class, he is ranking #9 in scoring, #8 in rebounds, #5 in assists and #7 in minutes. His shooting is shockingly bad (#18 in FG%, #33 in 3%, #30 in FT%) and his advanced stats are the bottom of the pile (playing for a horrible team does that), but his raw counting stats are respectable, and pretty much where he should stand in his draft range. It actually compares to players who are much hyped like Keegan Murray, Jabari Smith, Jaden Ivey, Mathurin, Sharpe, and much better than players like Dyson Dnaiels, Johnny Davis, Ousame Dieng. Of all the players drafted after Sochan, Jalen Williams, Walker Kessler, and Jalen Duren were the only ones who were clearly better, with maybe Tari Eason as a comparable player.

I agree he is incredibly inconsistent, have many areas he can work on, and have some really ghastly games, but I just do not understand the hate.
being miserable from an efficiency/impact/advanced stat perspective but piling on respectable raw numbers isn't impressive. as you said, he's #7 in minutes though not because he's fought for them, but because he's on a team where the best PF they've had during his 2 seasons has been KBD

[wildbill2u]

It's time to forget about the pick being one of the worst by our FO in a long time. Every FO is going to make one of these picks that don't necessarily work out as hoped. In this case they took a kid without enough exposure in college to make a really good guestimate as to his future skills. No point in hating on the kid, it was the FO and coaching/scouting staff that put him into the situation. I just wish the coaches would play someone else; at least Mamu has some BB IQ and works hard to put it to use on every play.

[rascal]

It's time to forget about the pick being one of the worst by our FO in a long time. Every FO is going to make one of these picks that don't necessarily work out as hoped. In this case they took a kid without enough exposure in college to make a really good guestimate as to his future skills. No point in hating on the kid, it was the FO and coaching/scouting staff that put him into the situation. I just wish the coaches would play someone else; at least Mamu has some BB IQ and works hard to put it to use on every play.

There is no one better to play on the current roster but the idea Sochan is locked in as the future starter at PF should be dropped
and if the opportunity comes to draft another PF with more upside the spurs need to not think they shouldn't because they are set with Sochan as their PF.

[scott]

There is no one better to play on the current roster but the idea Sochan is locked in as the future starter at PF should be dropped
and if the opportunity comes to draft another PF with more upside the spurs need to not think they shouldn't because they are set with Sochan as their PF.

We should be saying this about most of the roster. The current players on the team outside of Wemby are only a part of "the future" until an upgrade is found. I don't have any of these guys locked in for anything, none of them are good enough for that (not even Vassell).

[RC_Drunkford]

I get that he‘s been terrible lately, but damn can we at least wait and see what he shows in year 3? That‘s where rookies usually make a leap

[ambchang]

That's all you could find :lol... no offense but that even further proves how bad a night Sochan had...with 2 ass and 9 rbs or 3 ass and 7rbs, at least Segun was finding ways to try and help his team in some fashion, mostly grabbing rbds. and passing a little... Sochan has 1 ass and... that's it.

Point was everyone has bad games. And good move removing everything else.

[Pauleta14]

Comparing raw stats without context is just stupid as confuding correlation and causation.

You didn't stop yourself a sec before using Giannis's 2nd season??

[poopbox]

In their second years:
- Spurstalk legend and 1st ballot HoFer Alperen Sengun had 0 pts, 2 PF, 1 Tov, 0 blk, 1 stl, 2 asst and 9 rebounds for a 24 pt loss over 22 minutes vs. Boson., a 4 pt, 3 foul, 3 tov, 0 blk, 1 stl, 3 asst 7 reb game for 7 pt loss vs. GSW.
- Giannis had 4 games with a negative GameScore, same as Jeremy Sochan (so far). 18 games with a Game Score of 15 higher, while Sochan have 8 (so far). Not saying Sochan will be anything close to Sochan, but shockingly, raw players improve, and we all agree Sochan is raw.

Sochan has been playing like garbage the last couple of games, but I love to see the same people come in here and talk shit after these games, but stay absolutely silent when he had a few good games. Over the course of the year, he is averaging 11.2 pts, 6.1 rebounds, 3.5 assists with a 10.9 PER. He can't shoot for shit but these are things that can be worked on. Blake Wesley went from shooting 30% from 2 last year to a 60% 2 pt shooter this year. Small samples sizes and all, but they can work on these things.

Compared to his draft class, he is ranking #9 in scoring, #8 in rebounds, #5 in assists and #7 in minutes. His shooting is shockingly bad (#18 in FG%, #33 in 3%, #30 in FT%) and his advanced stats are the bottom of the pile (playing for a horrible team does that), but his raw counting stats are respectable, and pretty much where he should stand in his draft range. It actually compares to players who are much hyped like Keegan Murray, Jabari Smith, Jaden Ivey, Mathurin, Sharpe, and much better than players like Dyson Dnaiels, Johnny Davis, Ousame Dieng. Of all the players drafted after Sochan, Jalen Williams, Walker Kessler, and Jalen Duren were the only ones who were clearly better, with maybe Tari Eason as a comparable player.

I agree he is incredibly inconsistent, have many areas he can work on, and have some really ghastly games, but I just do not understand the hate.

Did you compare Sengun and Giannis to Sochan :lol

Sengun gets 20 and 10 more in a week than Sochan gets in a month :lol

You don't understand why people are not happy with the second highest drafted player we have had on this team in over 20 years scoring 0 and then 1 point:lol

[Splits]

I was going to gloss him Fourchan, but nig can't even put up 4 in any category other than minutes.

[TD 21]

Most overrated Spurs prospect I can remember. Has no business being handed a starting/closing role next season or being considered a long term keeper currently . . .


Andy Bailey occasionally aggregates players based on the average score of 8 "catch all" metrics and in the latest update Sochan is 284th out of 332 qualifiers (minimum 400 minutes).

I get that he's only in his second season, is 20 and started the season playing out of position, but all the evidence to this point indicates a player somewhere between fringe rotation and replacement level.

[ambchang]

being miserable from an efficiency/impact/advanced stat perspective but piling on respectable raw numbers isn't impressive. as you said, he's #7 in minutes though not because he's fought for them, but because he's on a team where the best PF they've had during his 2 seasons has been KBD

Not saying he's being impressive, but he is trending his draft position. I am just not sure what people expect of Sochan.


It's time to forget about the pick being one of the worst by our FO in a long time. Every FO is going to make one of these picks that don't necessarily work out as hoped. In this case they took a kid without enough exposure in college to make a really good guestimate as to his future skills. No point in hating on the kid, it was the FO and coaching/scouting staff that put him into the situation. I just wish the coaches would play someone else; at least Mamu has some BB IQ and works hard to put it to use on every play.

Case in point. Worst by our FO? Like how? There were three players drafted after Sochan that was better than him, and 3 or 4 before him that is comparable. Primo is by far the worst.

[ambchang]

Comparing raw stats without context is just stupid as confuding correlation and causation.

You didn't stop yourself a sec before using Giannis's 2nd season??

What does that have to do with correlation or causation?

[ambchang]

Did you compare Sengun and Giannis to Sochan :lol

Sengun gets 20 and 10 more in a week than Sochan gets in a month :lol

You don't understand why people are not happy with the second highest drafted player we have had on this team in over 20 years scoring 0 and then 1 point:lol

This can help you: https://www.amazon.ca/Conquer-Alphabet-matching-workbook-Preschoolers/dp/B0CV4LR77H/ref=sr_1_2_sspa?crid=377O8WZ4I4O37&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.7b1HvrKABV6Gff5CUXASDintlZ8D8aUqu EkJ51nqR-suavSHQrsjBv8Gh66tmpwriPrRz_PHlv7Wiyropj2Q9SK9nVcw 9yNrMuLunasmx7PtuZtMCMxTh60Avr0P6f2JpSlRQPA0WYoLlq 3b6HV8fwfO5MkaKL6kyXP-GR0h0JVmjrOlW8V-Ey3sxwhBJw4FCAo4_C8f-1fXNZT8ptk6iZXU21r41YSO1vkKdmt4w-Rnhk_kF7iOIsdcof3y3w9yD8BZ3yheJiz4B05SJhaV_ZDe3nMR fFczLGdIeb94Dbk.Uf6le4Ic6RCdeBu_qz4ov3BruXcbLhvqNZ vyC2bP6p4&dib_tag=se&keywords=learning+to+read&qid=1709175468&sprefix=learning+to+read%2Caps%2C180&sr=8-2-spons&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9hdGY&psc=1

[itzsoweezee]

In their second years:
- Spurstalk legend and 1st ballot HoFer Alperen Sengun had 0 pts, 2 PF, 1 Tov, 0 blk, 1 stl, 2 asst and 9 rebounds for a 24 pt loss over 22 minutes vs. Boson., a 4 pt, 3 foul, 3 tov, 0 blk, 1 stl, 3 asst 7 reb game for 7 pt loss vs. GSW.
- Giannis had 4 games with a negative GameScore, same as Jeremy Sochan (so far). 18 games with a Game Score of 15 higher, while Sochan have 8 (so far). Not saying Sochan will be anything close to Sochan, but shockingly, raw players improve, and we all agree Sochan is raw.

Sochan has been playing like garbage the last couple of games, but I love to see the same people come in here and talk shit after these games, but stay absolutely silent when he had a few good games. Over the course of the year, he is averaging 11.2 pts, 6.1 rebounds, 3.5 assists with a 10.9 PER. He can't shoot for shit but these are things that can be worked on. Blake Wesley went from shooting 30% from 2 last year to a 60% 2 pt shooter this year. Small samples sizes and all, but they can work on these things.

Compared to his draft class, he is ranking #9 in scoring, #8 in rebounds, #5 in assists and #7 in minutes. His shooting is shockingly bad (#18 in FG%, #33 in 3%, #30 in FT%) and his advanced stats are the bottom of the pile (playing for a horrible team does that), but his raw counting stats are respectable, and pretty much where he should stand in his draft range. It actually compares to players who are much hyped like Keegan Murray, Jabari Smith, Jaden Ivey, Mathurin, Sharpe, and much better than players like Dyson Dnaiels, Johnny Davis, Ousame Dieng. Of all the players drafted after Sochan, Jalen Williams, Walker Kessler, and Jalen Duren were the only ones who were clearly better, with maybe Tari Eason as a comparable player.

I agree he is incredibly inconsistent, have many areas he can work on, and have some really ghastly games, but I just do not understand the hate.

The problem isn’t just that he can’t shoot, it’s that he can’t dribble or pass either.

I don’t want give up on him, but learning to shoot (which is far from a certainty) isn’t nearly enough.

[ambchang]

The problem isn’t just that he can’t shoot, it’s that he can’t dribble or pass either.

I don’t want give up on him, but learning to shoot (which is far from a certainty) isn’t nearly enough.

What is this based on? For a PF, he is quite a good ball-handler and passer. Not a world beater, but definitely not someone who should be classified as "can't dribble or pass". He has a higher Ast% and comparable TOV% as John Collins. Slightly better AST% and slightly worse TOV% as Evan Mobley. His AST% is actually comparable to Mikal Bridges. What do you guys want?

[itzsoweezee]

What is this based on? For a PF, he is quite a good ball-handler and passer. Not a world beater, but definitely not someone who should be classified as "can't dribble or pass". He has a higher Ast% and comparable TOV% as John Collins. Slightly better AST% and slightly worse TOV% as Evan Mobley. His AST% is actually comparable to Mikal Bridges. What do you guys want?

Just watch the games, bro. It’s pretty clear he doesn’t have fundamental skills. Everything he does on the offensive end appears to require him to think about it before he does it. Nothing comes natural to him on the offensive end.

Also, you can’t just cherry pick stats without any context. The guys you named are much better than Sochan at other skills compared to him. So the fact that Sochan has a comparable ast% to another power forward is pretty meaningless. The point is, he doesn’t have NBA level quality at dribbling, passing, and shooting. If he was even really good at one of those things, I’d be a lot more optimistic about his future.

[Pauleta14]

What does that have to do with correlation or causation?

?? self explanatory no?

For the same reason stats alone will never teach you as much as watching the game or at best won’t give u the real picture…

[Pauleta14]

What is this based on? For a PF, he is quite a good ball-handler and passer. Not a world beater, but definitely not someone who should be classified as "can't dribble or pass". He has a higher Ast% and comparable TOV% as John Collins. Slightly better AST% and slightly worse TOV% as Evan Mobley. His AST% is actually comparable to Mikal Bridges. What do you guys want?

what?!?

Sochan is neither a good passer or ball handler.

he’s a point A to B type of player, reacts more than he anticipates with very basic passing and dribbling abilities.

let’s hope he gets better but as of now his main/only strength are his motor, rim agression and defensive versatility.

[ambchang]

Just watch the games, bro. It’s pretty clear he doesn’t have fundamental skills. Everything he does on the offensive end appears to require him to think about it before he does it. Nothing comes natural to him on the offensive end.

Also, you can’t just cherry pick stats without any context. The guys you named are much better than Sochan at other skills compared to him. So the fact that Sochan has a comparable ast% to another power forward is pretty meaningless. The point is, he doesn’t have NBA level quality at dribbling, passing, and shooting. If he was even really good at one of those things, I’d be a lot more optimistic about his future.

So the numbers are wrong. You are right. Got it.


?? self explanatory no?

oft the same reason stats alone will never teach you as much as watching the game or at best won’t give u the real picture…

Ok. So sochan just happened to have stats similar to other players drafted around him despite him sucking significantly more than them because you watched the game.

And no, this has nothing to do with correlation or causation. Sochan got those traditional stats because he got those stats. Not because of correlation or causation.

[Pauleta14]

Ok. So sochan just happened to have stats similar to other players drafted around him despite him sucking significantly more than them because you watched the game.

And no, this has nothing to do with correlation or causation. Sochan got those traditional stats because he got those stats. Not because of correlation or causation.

Because stats don’t tel the story mate… are you for real?

Have u learned how to read and use stats??

ok let me give u an ex, you probably found some passing stats from Sochan looking decent or even good so you’re using that as an argument vs anyone who dare say Sochan sucks at passing…

thing is the passes we are all talking about and that matter aren’t the perimeter ones or the 1st in transition, it’s the pick and roll ones, the lobs when Victor is open ones… the ones that never or rarely happen basically.

your stats won’t highlight those and ppl like you keep thinking numbers tells the whole story will keep being stubborn amd missing the point.

please give me Vassell and Sochan assists average to Wemby/game just to have a laugh…

[ambchang]

what?!?

Sochan is neither a good passer or ball handler.

he’s a point A to B type of player, reacts more than he anticipates with very basic passing and dribbling abilities.

let’s hope he gets better but as of now his main/only strength are his motor, rim agression and defensive versatility.

But the point is that he can’t dribble or pass. That’s clearly not the case. Because somebody who cannot dribble or pass would have a much lower ast% and higher TOV-%, no?

[Pauleta14]

But the point is that he can’t dribble or pass. That’s clearly not the case. Because somebody who cannot dribble or pass would have a much lower ast% and higher TOV-%, no?


ok maybe it’s a misunderstanding…

we’re all talking about passes that matter, the ones that complement Wemby, he has no trouble finding them but it’s never coming back to him.
Imo Sochan like Vassell don’t pass much not bc they don’t like Wemby or bs like that but bc they don’t feel confident about what seems an easy pass
at some point it means a real lack of skill/fundamentals

i mean they’ve been training with Victor since august and okayed +50 games but still struggle to make the basic p&r pass or lob

I like many things about Sochan and agree he’s clearly worth the work and patience but he has massive limitations for a pro BB player. As much technique than BBIQ. Let’s not lie to ourselves just bc he’s cool

[itzsoweezee]

So the numbers are wrong. You are right. Got it.



Ok. So sochan just happened to have stats similar to other players drafted around him despite him sucking significantly more than them because you watched the game.

And no, this has nothing to do with correlation or causation. Sochan got those traditional stats because he got those stats. Not because of correlation or causation.

The problem isn’t the numbers, the problem is the numbers don’t say what you assert they say. You said, this better player than Sochan has a comparable assist % to Sochan, therefore Sochan is a good passer. Do you not see the obvious failing in your logic? I’ll spell it out for you: both of them are not good passers.

The problem with Sochan is, not only is he not a good passer, here’s not a good shooter, and he can’t handle the ball, as the horrible earlier season experiment made crystal clear.

[ambchang]

The problem isn’t the numbers, the problem is the numbers don’t say what you assert they say. You said, this better player than Sochan has a comparable assist % to Sochan, therefore Sochan is a good passer. Do you not see the obvious failing in your logic? I’ll spell it out for you: both of them are not good passers.

The problem with Sochan is, not only is he not a good passer, here’s not a good shooter, and he can’t handle the ball, as the horrible earlier season experiment made crystal clear.

I never said he’s a good passer or a good dribbler. I said he’s a good passer and dribbler for a PF. He’s not a PG level passer or dribbler and I believe we all agreed to it. He can’t play PG. I don’t see Collins or mobley being a PG either. Does that make them someone who can’t dribble or pass? The numbers back me up I watched the games and he’s at least a reasonable passer and ball handler. You guys have your opinions and all but there has been nothing to back you up other than your eye test. Who else in the league is someone who can’t pass and dribble but have comparable ast and tov %? Seriously I don’t know but it’s a hypothetical question.

It is an irrational hate for sochan at this moment. He is playing and producing at a reasonable level for the #9 pick in his draft. He’s not playing like a Jalen Williams or a walker Kessler where he is out producing his draft position. And comments about him not being an nba player and the worst draft pick is flying around, which is just annoying at this point.

[KobesAchilles]

I never said he’s a good passer or a good dribbler. I said he’s a good passer and dribbler for a PF. He’s not a PG level passer or dribbler and I believe we all agreed to it. He can’t play PG. I don’t see Collins or mobley being a PG either. Does that make them someone who can’t dribble or pass? The numbers back me up I watched the games and he’s at least a reasonable passer and ball handler. You guys have your opinions and all but there has been nothing to back you up other than your eye test. Who else in the league is someone who can’t pass and dribble but have comparable ast and tov %? Seriously I don’t know but it’s a hypothetical question.

It is an irrational hate for sochan at this moment. He is playing and producing at a reasonable level for the #9 pick in his draft. He’s not playing like a Jalen Williams or a walker Kessler where he is out producing his draft position. And comments about him not being an nba player and the worst draft pick is flying around, which is just annoying at this point.
I mean there’s nothing irrational about being upset with a starter that scores 1 point or 0 points and brings nothing else to the table. You can have a bad game. But not THAT bad. That’s just quitting.

The problem with Sochan is that he’s clearly a bench player but we are so devoid of any talent that we have to start him. Even with those fake Rodman comparisons, Rodman came off the bench. He was a hustle guy off the bench who brought athleticism and defense. Sochan doesn’t bring athleticism but he could bring defense for our awful bench unit.

The spurs have a lot of bench talent that will help us going forward. We just need to get actual starters on this team and veteran starters at that which is easier said than done. I really hope the Clippers flame out in the first round this year.

[ambchang]

I mean there’s nothing irrational about being upset with a starter that scores 1 point or 0 points and brings nothing else to the table. You can have a bad game. But not THAT bad. That’s just quitting.

The problem with Sochan is that he’s clearly a bench player but we are so devoid of any talent that we have to start him. Even with those fake Rodman comparisons, Rodman came off the bench. He was a hustle guy off the bench who brought athleticism and defense. Sochan doesn’t bring athleticism but he could bring defense for our awful bench unit.

The spurs have a lot of bench talent that will help us going forward. We just need to get actual starters on this team and veteran starters at that which is easier said than done. I really hope the Clippers flame out in the first round this year.

No question that was a putrid game and people should wince watching that. But did the same people come in and say he’s an MVP level player and PATFO are geniuses after he had a career game? No, because it’s irrational to react after one such game.

The pendulum swings both ways, you can’t just strictly highlight the bad and dismiss the goods. Overall sochan is trending his draft position. He plays hard and he’s improving ever so slightly. I don’t expect him to be an MVP one day but I still see starter on a good team level type of future for him. So far he’s got a bit of everything (except shooting) but the master of none. As long as there is a growth plan for it I think he’d still be a good player in this league. The question is whether PATFO still has it in them to have any type of a career growth path for anyone.

[Brazil]

Having a really bad game is one thing not showing any effort is another entirely. 2 shots in 16 mn, no rebounds, garbage defense and garbage effort that's not acceptable

[RC_Drunkford]

I think Wemby threw more oops to Sochan than the other way around

[rankingtear]

His on ball and screen navigation is elite for that size and his matchup difficulty is still top 5 in the league. Advance stats just don't favor these kind of defenders like Dort and Brooks cause they favor staying in front and not fouling. Offense is awful, saving grace is he still a 20 year old in his sophomore season.

[itzsoweezee]

I never said he’s a good passer or a good dribbler. I said he’s a good passer and dribbler for a PF. He’s not a PG level passer or dribbler and I believe we all agreed to it. He can’t play PG. I don’t see Collins or mobley being a PG either. Does that make them someone who can’t dribble or pass? The numbers back me up I watched the games and he’s at least a reasonable passer and ball handler. You guys have your opinions and all but there has been nothing to back you up other than your eye test. Who else in the league is someone who can’t pass and dribble but have comparable ast and tov %? Seriously I don’t know but it’s a hypothetical question.

It is an irrational hate for sochan at this moment. He is playing and producing at a reasonable level for the #9 pick in his draft. He’s not playing like a Jalen Williams or a walker Kessler where he is out producing his draft position. And comments about him not being an nba player and the worst draft pick is flying around, which is just annoying at this point.

This is what I mean by cherry picking stats. You compare Sochan to favorable competition in order to make him look better. I don’t care what position you play, you need to be a skilled offensive player to be an NBA player. Saying Sochan is a bad a passer as another, better power forward is absolutely meaningless

[ambchang]

This is what I mean by cherry picking stats. You compare Sochan to favorable competition in order to make him look better. I don’t care what position you play, you need to be a skilled offensive player to be an NBA player. Saying Sochan is a bad a passer as another, better power forward is absolutely meaningless

The context is that he can’t pass nor dribble. I won’t say mobley or Collins can’t past nor dribble.

[ambchang]

Oh shit. Sochan had a decent game. What should we do now? He can suddenly play basketball. Let’s wait for the next time he had a bad game so that we can take the entire frustration we had for the team on one single player.

[itzsoweezee]

The context is that he can’t pass nor dribble. I won’t say mobley or Collins can’t past nor dribble.

Collins is notorious for not passing the ball. Mobley isn't known for facilitating or taking people off the dribble either. Why compare Sochan to them? Just because they have comparable ast% numbers? That tells you nothing.

If you want to compare Sochan to other players, compare him to other players that can similarly not shoot. Try it. It paints an extremely bleak picture.

[Mr. Body]

Some of y'all really suck massive donkey cock.

[rascal]

Oh shit. Sochan had a decent game. What should we do now? He can suddenly play basketball. Let’s wait for the next time he had a bad game so that we can take the entire frustration we had for the team on one single player.

He played a decent game like all NBA starters do from time to time. He still doesn't excel at anything and should be coming off the bench if the Spurs were a real contender.

[rascal]

Some of y'all really suck massive donkey cock.

You were in hiding in his last two games. Like a coward would do

Still want a better player in the future at PF and move Sochan to the bench or trade him.

[DrSteffo]

Sochan just shitting all over Baseline Bum, Pauleta, Rascal and other fools.

[baseline bum]

Sochan just shitting all over Baseline Bum, Pauleta, Rascal and other fools.

Definitely an S-Tier game from Sochan tonight

[spurraider21]

Some of y'all really suck massive donkey cock.
maybe you should shoot yourself in the head so you dont have to deal with this forum

[Splits]

Man, this kid can play. Looks like his 3 ball is fixed too. Not going to make all NBA this year but a lock for the next decade.

[Joseph Kony]

Some of y'all really suck massive donkey cock.
What kind of faggot says shit like this :lol

[RC_Drunkford]

Some of y'all really suck massive donkey cock.

you're into animals now?

[RC_Drunkford]

great bounce back game from Sochan. He took over in the 4th and it wasn't the first time. The stat I pay the most attention to with him are rebounds. He's just inconsistent offensively, which has to be expected of a 20-year old in his 2nd season.

[DrSteffo]

What I like most is that he always works hard. He is not always successful but always trying his best. Also still very young.

[Raven]

it is quite impressive, when he plays aggressive on the offensive end. I don't mean shoot a lot, but actually attack with intent.

[ambchang]

Collins is notorious for not passing the ball. Mobley isn't known for facilitating or taking people off the dribble either. Why compare Sochan to them? Just because they have comparable ast% numbers? That tells you nothing.

If you want to compare Sochan to other players, compare him to other players that can similarly not shoot. Try it. It paints an extremely bleak picture.

Sochan has better ast% than Collins.

I don’t have stathead subscription but f/c who shot as bad as sochan (< 45%) and has an ast% >=15% includes Nikola Jovic, who can definitely dribble and pass. Granted his 3pt% is much better but he did improve drastically from last season to this season over small sample sizes.

Justin Winslow and James Johnson are two other examples. All of them can dribble and pass

You suggest a few.

[ambchang]

He played a decent game like all NBA starters do from time to time. He still doesn't excel at anything and should be coming off the bench if the Spurs were a real contender.

And he lays eggs like all young players do time to time. I’m sure some of you where calling for the team to cut duncan after he had that 5 pt game.

I agree sochan is better served as a bench player now, it who else is taking his place? I also see potential where he can become a very valuable starter on a good team.

Also want to note that you are pretty reasonable on this thread. Not necessarily seeing totally eye to eye with you as I’m admittedly much more of an optimist wrt sochan while you are more pessimistic, but at least you are reasonable in your evaluation. Most others just have an agenda to paint the entire roster as bad as possible because they are wemby instead of spurs fans. Rather disgusting.

[JPB]

Sochan just shitting all over Baseline Bum, Pauleta, Rascal and other fools.

foxes coming out of the wood after one win where spurs shoot 150% on 3, in a middle of an atrocious season, going all "Ha!!", "Haha!!", "Sssso!"... acting like that was making spurs or Sochan any better...

Sochan can score points in the NBA, Ok, cool, every player can, and nobody said he was a scrub, but still not just a starter in a contender. He's a valuable player, but still can't shoot and doesn't fit next to Wemby.

[ambchang]

foxes coming out of the wood after one win where spurs shoot 150% on 3, in a middle of an atrocious season, going all "Ha!!", "Haha!!", "Sssso!"... acting like that was making spurs or Sochan any better...

Sochan can score points in the NBA, Ok, cool, every player can, and nobody said he was a scrub, but still not just a starter in a contender. He's a valuable player, but still can't shoot and doesn't fit next to Wemby.

To the contrary, and this is just from this thread, there are countless other threads and posts who kept repeating Sochan shouldn't be in the league.


The PATFO fluffers that somehow fooled half the fanbase into think this net negative scrub is good won’t see heaven. It’s absolutely disgusting that this shitter somehow made it into H-E-B commercials. Not only does that mean our fans are retarded for thinking highly of this cardio merchant, but so does the team. Time to trade is now before Brian Wrong has the opportunity to give him a second contract

He does absolutely nothing that Keita Bates Diop wasn’t doing as a starter.


remember when some of us thought moving sochan back to power forward would keep him from embarrassing himself as a point guard:rollin


Sochan might get you a second in trade. Might as well just hang onto him while he's cheap and see if he can develop into a reasonable bench player.


Sochan's future is as a wing defender who is doesn't create events, can't score, and will be used too much by Pop.

He's basically on his way to be the next Ime Udoka, King of the scrubs who was soooo tough because of one story about a third world gym shoving match that became a tall tale of Ime the hero but when he got put on anyone good he was wrecked


are we sure he's a wing defender?


It's time to forget about the pick being one of the worst by our FO in a long time. Every FO is going to make one of these picks that don't necessarily work out as hoped. In this case they took a kid without enough exposure in college to make a really good guestimate as to his future skills. No point in hating on the kid, it was the FO and coaching/scouting staff that put him into the situation. I just wish the coaches would play someone else; at least Mamu has some BB IQ and works hard to put it to use on every play.

[rascal]

What I like most is that he always works hard. He is not always successful but always trying his best. Also still very young.

You must have had your eyes closed the two games before this last one.

[itzsoweezee]

Sochan has better ast% than Collins.

I don’t have stathead subscription but f/c who shot as bad as sochan (< 45%) and has an ast% >=15% includes Nikola Jovic, who can definitely dribble and pass. Granted his 3pt% is much better but he did improve drastically from last season to this season over small sample sizes.

Justin Winslow and James Johnson are two other examples. All of them can dribble and pass

You suggest a few.

Look at these names. These guys aren’t even in the league anymore. That’s what I mean. The outlook is bleak unless Sochan becomes a much better shooter. His other skills are nowhere good enough to counter his terrible shooting

[Ariel]

You must have had your eyes closed the two games before this last one.
You'd know about it, since you've been watching 2 seasons' worth of Shaedon Sharpe with your eyes closed.

[ambchang]

Look at these names. These guys aren’t even in the league anymore. That’s what I mean. The outlook is bleak unless Sochan becomes a much better shooter. His other skills are nowhere good enough to counter his terrible shooting

Winslow played 8 years and James Johnson 14.

And not sure where the goalpost is being moved next but I would like someone to say how Winslow and Johnson couldn’t pass or shoot.

Now please show me players who cannot pass or shoot who had ast and tov %s so
Similar to sochan or stop wasting my time.