Grades: Spurs @ Timberwolves - Feb. 27, 2024

[timvp]

https://www.spurstalk.com/2024-spurs-timberwolves-grades-59/

[Brazil]

The second unit has been atrocious

[John B]

Thanks Timvp. Turnovers and lack of presence in the paint, being outrebounded buy one of the better defender and bigger teams in the NBA. And Collins, Sochan didn’t help. I agree Mamu’s motor and height could’ve helped. And where is Barlow? I guess it didn’t matter to join the Rodeo Trip. I think we need to see Barlow more moving forward to see how he plays with Wemby, and Mamu needs to get Sochan’s minutes if he’s not playing well to create competition, and/or more minutes for Osman in place of Sochan.

It was a lousy end of the Rodeo Trip. Let’s see if they find some energy playing for the fans at home.

[Mugen]

All Mamu does in his very limited rotation minutes is infuse energy and look like an actual competent role player. But he's been chained to the bench for 99% of the year. So ridiculous :lol

[rjv]

Collins has been a little better these last two games but that’s like saying Taco Bell wasn’t that bad the last time I ate there.

[Spurs Homer]

No mention of pop benching wemby for no apparent reason?

[z0sa]

Forget third quarter meltdowns - just meltdown immediately after Wemby goes to the bench, then don’t profit. Repeat as necessary while gaslighting your fans and collecting more than 1 million gross pay every month. :pop:

[FuzzyLumpkins]

:lol at Spurs fan coming too terms with the obvious tank since trading away McDermott trying to maximize wins.

[onechance87]

wtf has happend to tre jones being a point guard...Not even sure hes good enough to be backup pg.His job
is to set up his team mates or get them in position to score,Guy has been terrible at doing that lately.
Especially with wemby.

[rjv]

No mention of pop benching wemby for no apparent reason?

you can look at the post game interviews with wemby and pop and then you'll find your reason.

[wildbill2u]

We are firmly in tank mode, not because we are making decisions to lose games, but because we simply don't have players of NBA quality at too many spots.

[Pauleta14]

I think Tre's 30pts game might have gotten into his head, he's going a lot more for his own number

[Spurs Homer]

you can look at the post game interviews with wemby and pop and then you'll find your reason.

ok- gotta go down some rabbit hole...meh

not that important... thanks

[spurraider21]

I think Tre's 30pts game might have gotten into his head, he's going a lot more for his own number
in the last 3 games he has attempted 5, 6, and 6 shots

[baseline bum]

Collins has been a little better these last two games but that’s like saying Taco Bell wasn’t that bad the last time I ate there.

Taco Bell is cheap though. Collins is Wienerschnitzel at Chester's prices.

[baseline bum]

We are firmly in tank mode, not because we are making decisions to lose games, but because we simply don't have players of NBA quality at too many spots.

We have one glued to the bench all season tbh

[spurraider21]

taco bell tastes good

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[JPB]

:lol at Spurs fan coming too terms with the obvious tank since trading away McDermott trying to maximize wins.

tank or not, that's not the reason this team suck so bad. FOs and coaches tank, not players. Players don't deliberatly suck for the tip off all season long, and it's not like Pop was messng up that badly with the lineups, quite the contrary, he's tried everything to fix the issues...

Collins still a starter and Sochan still at PG would be an obvious tank. Pop rested Sochan for long stretches last year because he was hurting the tank, he doesn't even have to this year...

[slick'81]

Nacho fries r the shit

[Spurs Brazil]

Mamu basketball IQ is better then half of the team. That alone should give him more minuter over a bunch of these dumb players on de roster.

[poopbox]

wtf has happend to tre jones being a point guard...Not even sure hes good enough to be backup pg.His job
is to set up his team mates or get them in position to score,Guy has been terrible at doing that lately.
Especially with wemby.

More film on him so teams can play his tendencies more
His teammates are mostly trash so their is nothing to set up. Their is no "setting up" sochan for an easy basket because Sochan sucks.
Tre himself isn't a good shooter isn't athletic isn't fast so it's not like he has a lot of physical tools to work with.

[spurraider21]

wesley's defense was refreshing when he first started getting minutes, but the results haven't been there as of late. i had commented a few times that he overcorrected for his erratic offense by kind of defaulting to just doing nothing at all. doesnt attack, doesnt shoot. kind of just dribbles the ball up the court then hands it off for somebody else to do the work. that's not going to fly unless he's being very impactful as a defender or at least making noise in transition

[Das Texan]

The Spurs refusal to activate Barlow and play him over Collins alone makes zero sense.

The Spurs refusal to call up Cissoko and play him over Osman is just as frustrating.

At least with both of those you will get effort. Its insane that some guys seem to get free passes for making stupid mistakes constantly while others are held accountable.

Its so stupid. This tem is fucking regressing by and large and its beyond frustrating.

If 80% of this roster is churned this summer, I wouldnt be upset with that one bit.

[Das Texan]

Mamu basketball IQ is better then half of the team. That alone should give him more minuter over a bunch of these dumb players on de roster.

This alone shows that it seems like the coaching staff literally does not care.

They preach that effort has to be made and that players have to be accountable.

Mamu shows up and efforts and has a largely positive impact and we are treated with the same bad effort from the same players the next game with no consequences.

It makes less than zero sense.

and to top it off the coaching staff then doesnt have the decency to address the media after the game and that is seemingly ok?

I dont get it.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

tank or not, that's not the reason this team suck so bad. FOs and coaches tank, not players. Players don't deliberatly suck for the tip off all season long, and it's not like Pop was messng up that badly with the lineups, quite the contrary, he's tried everything to fix the issues...

Collins still a starter and Sochan still at PG would be an obvious tank. Pop rested Sochan for long stretches last year because he was hurting the tank, he doesn't even have to this year...

Collins over Barlow or a wet blanket is a travesty. Pop's benching KJ and Wemby to make a point. They are still letting Wemby chuck any which way he wants. They traded away their best shooter.

They have to see if Vassell, KJ, Jones, et al can fit with Wemby. Most of them do not. Collins is a dumpster fire. KJ and Vassell cannot play defense well enough. I shudder thinking about a Young/Vassell backcourt on defense. Jones is clearly a better bench player.

I am not sure what you wanted different from a roster management standpoint. The Collins contract?

[RC_Drunkford]

The Spurs refusal to activate Barlow and play him over Collins alone makes zero sense.

The Spurs refusal to call up Cissoko and play him over Osman is just as frustrating.

At least with both of those you will get effort. Its insane that some guys seem to get free passes for making stupid mistakes constantly while others are held accountable.

Its so stupid. This tem is fucking regressing by and large and its beyond frustrating.

If 80% of this roster is churned this summer, I wouldnt be upset with that one bit.

that's classic Pop tbh. Bryn Forbes and Marco Belinelli say hi

[onechance87]

The Spurs refusal to activate Barlow and play him over Collins alone makes zero sense.

The Spurs refusal to call up Cissoko and play him over Osman is just as frustrating.

At least with both of those you will get effort. Its insane that some guys seem to get free passes for making stupid mistakes constantly while others are held accountable.

Its so stupid. This tem is fucking regressing by and large and its beyond frustrating.

If 80% of this roster is churned this summer, I wouldnt be upset with that one bit.

think it shows they fucked up big time giving collins that contract,Which hurts our cap space this year and year after.

[spurraider21]

The Spurs refusal to activate Barlow and play him over Collins alone makes zero sense.

The Spurs refusal to call up Cissoko and play him over Osman is just as frustrating.

At least with both of those you will get effort. Its insane that some guys seem to get free passes for making stupid mistakes constantly while others are held accountable.

Its so stupid. This tem is fucking regressing by and large and its beyond frustrating.

If 80% of this roster is churned this summer, I wouldnt be upset with that one bit.
barlow: yes, thats been very frustrating. as a 2-way, he is only eligible to be active for 50 games. i dont know where he currently stands. they also could just give him a multiyear contract now that the mcdermott/morris spot has been vacated. then they can decide between bassey and barlow next offseason (or keep both if collins is traded)

cissoko probably could stand to see some time, especially as a sochan reserve. osman wouldnt be my chief complaint because hes been pretty serviceable in his role.

[Das Texan]

cissoko probably could stand to see some time, especially as a sochan reserve. osman wouldnt be my chief complaint because hes been pretty serviceable in his role.

chief role as a turnstile for players on offense to do whatever they want, then yes he has performed amazingly well.

[Das Texan]

barlow: yes, thats been very frustrating. as a 2-way, he is only eligible to be active for 50 games. i dont know where he currently stands. they also could just give him a multiyear contract now that the mcdermott/morris spot has been vacated. then they can decide between bassey and barlow next offseason (or keep both if collins is traded)



Thats a weak excuse because Spurs could just elevate Barlow to a full contract since they got the Disabled player exception from Bassey.

[spurraider21]

Thats a weak excuse because Spurs could just elevate Barlow to a full contract since they got the Disabled player exception from Bassey.
only if he had fit within the DPE funds of 1.3 mil

the spurs probably want him on a multiyear deal low on guarantees similar to champ/bassey and barlow probably would not agree to a multiyear deal with a starting salary of 1.3 mil

[pad300]

Thats a weak excuse because Spurs could just elevate Barlow to a full contract since they got the Disabled player exception from Bassey.

Nope, the DPE gives you a salary cap exception to hire into, but it doesn't give you a roster spot. The Spurs were full up until they moved Mcdermot (and bought out Morris).