Victor out tonight

[pad300]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/275094/Victor-Wembanyama-Ruled-Out-For-Mondays-Game-With-Sprained-Left-Ankle

[Splits]

Good. should only play 1/2 the remaining games.

[SouthernFryd]

Thanks. Not worth watching without him...now I won't have to.

[KobesAchilles]

The rest of the team should be out tbh. Bring in our Austin players and Graham to play with Wemby the rest of the year. Send a message to the team they’re are new standards and you better work your ass off of you still want to be in the nba PLUS actually improve

[spurs10]

So maybe a 60 point loss?

[Dex]

Cue the SpursTalk trolls wondering if Wemby is being held out because he has demanded a trade and teams are talking...

[z0sa]

NOW, and only NOW, has the purposeful tanking begun.

[Mugen]

NOW, and only NOW, has the purposeful tanking begun.

They were at full strength and lost at home to a decimated Grizzlies squad. It's not tanking if you just have a terrible team and coach tbh :lol

[scott]

Mamu breakout game incoming. 37/21/6 in 32 minutes. Wemby who?

[heyheymymy]

Jermey has a weird hitch or hesitation in his 3 point release

[Splits]

lmao no game thread 1/2 way through the first. if we win without Wemby the world is going to end

[heyheymymy]

lol this IS the game thread

[Splits]

I beginning to think that it is Wemby holding Sochan back, not the other way around. 9pt 6rb and a block in the first with Zollins starting. Maybe VW should be the backup center

[heyheymymy]

9PM CST

Juju Watkins on ESPN

[heyheymymy]

Sochan 9/6 with 1 BLK already

50% shooting just 0/3 from 3PM which still needs work

playing with some nasty as well as I've been saying. Gotta remember Sochan is still so young. Sochan is only 20 years old from the 22 class and actually younger than some rookies from the 23 class lol. Sochan has tons of time to put it all together and you see the hints on some brilliance already. I believe in his future but it's going to be a work in progress in the meantime just be patient

[heyheymymy]

Love that Barlow corner 3

[spurraider21]

malaki is so bad :lol

[heyheymymy]

Royce O'Neil was a pretty savvy pickup by PHX with the 3 team trade

[Spurs Brazil]

The team was playing well and then Malaki enters the game and decides to be a hero.

[Splits]

Suns have 5 players (6 if you include Bol) who shoot it better from 3 than Vassell, our best.

[heyheymymy]

uhhh Nurkic is out there like a linebacker with multiple moving screens

[LeBowen]

No actual game thread?
Wemby is the problem?

[spurraider21]

3 point specialist clangs an open look off the side of the backboard

[Splits]

Champ feeding off of Sochan.

[Splits]

Spurs with less turnovers with 2 minutes left in the 3rd than Wemby had alone in 21 min on Saturday. No wonder we're in this game

[Knoxxx]

Bunch of fair weather fans making a fake game thread!

[Knoxxx]

Good. should only play 1/2 the remaining games.

I was thinking 1 of every 3 but good estimate, senor.

[Splits]

2 nights ago: Suns @ Spurs after 3, Suns by 32 (Wemby played)
tonight: Suns @ Spurs after 3, Spurs by 1 (Wemby sits)

[Splits]

Wiz have a chance at a 3 game win streak @ CHI tonight to pull within 1 of us. Would be a disaster if we won this game.

[heyheymymy]

MONSTER SOCHAN with a 15/15 right now whoa

[Knoxxx]

2 nights ago: Suns @ Spurs after 3, Suns by 32 (Wemby played)
tonight: Suns @ Spurs after 3, Spurs by 1 (Wemby sits)

This is why have been griping about Wemby when he shoots a low percentage and or has high turnovers. We need every one to come to play especially Wemby and it’s not always everyone else’s fault when we lose. We’ve lost games where he played like ass, that were wins otherwise. But usually he gets a pass, and I was trying to call that out unfashionably early as usual.

The good part of this is he sees the team playing better without him. Better karma for us he knows he needs to get better and not blame the team for every loss.

[Ditty]

MONSTER SOCHAN with a 15/15 right now whoa

That's my power forward :cry

[Tyronn Lue]

No Victor, only 5 turnovers by the 4th :lol

[Splits]

Spurs with less turnovers with 2 minutes left in the 3rd than Wemby had alone in 21 min on Saturday. No wonder we're in this game

6:31 left to play, Spurs: 5 TO

Saturday, VW 5 TO

[Splits]

that has to be the dumbest challenge I've ever seen

[Knoxxx]

MONSTER SOCHAN with a 15/15 right now whoa

I’ve been a Sochan advocate. I point out that he’s only 20 and get dismissed. The motor is undeniable. At times he is the best player on the court for a quarter but doesn’t sustain it. But, more often than not he’d still have had a real nice game if he’d just hit a couple more shots.

[Tyronn Lue]

Jeremy Sochan-Sengun

[Knoxxx]

We need to stick Barlow on Booker his D is for realz!

[heyheymymy]

damn Jeremy Sochan doin it all tonight

poached that pass and off to the races

[Knoxxx]

Sochan the steal that due is NUTZZZZZ

[Robz4000]

Trade Wemby imo

[heyheymymy]

lol Jeremy fingerprints on every play

[heyheymymy]

where are my busters at

he is only 20 years old extrapolate that talent

:cry :cry :cry

[heyheymymy]

Bro Sochan 25/17/1/1/1

[Uriel]

Sochan with 25 and 17 while guarding everyone from Booker to Durant. Some nights, he looks like he doesn't belong in the NBA, and other nights, he looks like the second coming of Boris Diaw.

[Tyronn Lue]

Barlow ensuring the loss streak continues per corporate edict.

[Frenchfred]

And weirdly, the Spurs have another decent game without Wemby.

[Tyronn Lue]

Bro Sochan 25/17/1/1/1
5x1

[Tyronn Lue]

And weirdly, the Spurs have another decent game without Wemby.
Teams just lay back and turn it up when they need to. Don't take too much from this.

[Robz4000]

:lol 11-0 run given up in one minute

[LeBowen]

This shit is actually rigged.

Spurs had +8 with 3:40 to go, then Barlow makes two idiotic decisions, Osman is whistled for a soft over the back foul, Devin doesn't get a foul on 3pt shot with way more contact and the lead was gone within a minute.

[Knoxxx]

And weirdly, the Spurs have another decent game without Wemby.

This is def not the first time it’s just been the most noticeable due to the blowout last game. Wemby doesn’t always integrate well with the team offense, defense, or play efficiently and that combo will get our ass handed to us.

Now, we also have a lot of other up and down young players of course too. I’m not trying to pin this all on Wemby by any means.

[heyheymymy]

5x1

actually approaching a 20/20 game though

[heyheymymy]

lol Jones just plucked that REB away from Sochan when he was 2 REBs shy of a 20/20

[Tyronn Lue]

Jeremy Jordan Sochan ftw

[heyheymymy]

shit! Jeremy

ww need to lose this one

[Robz4000]

Sochan :wow

[heyheymymy]

god damnit Sochan we needed that L

CHA now 1 game away in SAs head room

[Uriel]

Wow.

[Tyronn Lue]

Sochan "fuk yo lottery"

[Knoxxx]

This shit is actually rigged.

Spurs had +8 with 3:40 to go, then Barlow makes two idiotic decisions, Osman is whistled for a soft over the back foul, Devin doesn't get a foul on 3pt shot with way more contact and the lead was gone within a minute.

I think the refs are just dog shit not sure it is intentionally against us. Sub consciously perhaps.

[LeBowen]

Lmao we actually killed the Suns, this will cost them the 6th seed and the playoffs.
Joke franchise, always was.

Jeremy's career game.

The entire team looked way more in sync than with Wemby, kind of concerning.

[Spurs Brazil]

Sochan for the win! Wow!!!

[thiste]

Series win against KD's Suns... who would've thought? :lol

[Uriel]

Hate to say it, but when Wembanyama isn't on the floor, Sochan looks like a hybrid between Boris Diaw and Draymond Green.

[spurs10]

I'm glad for this win As they say, "Ya can't lose'm all!!"

[Spurminator]

That was awesome. Games like this can do a lot for these guys' confidence moving forward. Hopefully this is a turning point for Sochan, or at least another step.

And fuck the Suns.

[baseline bum]

Meh I'll take this as an extreme aberration. Team had a defensive rating of 125.5 in the 8 games without Victor this season and they win this one scoring 104?

[spurraider21]

Good for Jeremy tbh

[Slippy]

Spurs kept at getting stops. Suns seemed off. Nurcih out helped . Then again so did wemby being out

Not sure how they won lol

Jeremy huge shot in the end and played well throughout the gsme.

[Tyronn Lue]

Suns fell into the trap game and didn't expect big shot Sochan to deliver after 0-6. Reminds me of how Charlotte used to beat the Lakers even when Charlotte was basically trash and the Lakers were beasts.

[CGD]

Big balls Sochan. Dude crushed tonight

[DAF86]

This shit is actually rigged.

Spurs had +8 with 3:40 to go, then Barlow makes two idiotic decisions, Osman is whistled for a soft over the back foul, Devin doesn't get a foul on 3pt shot with way more contact and the lead was gone within a minute.

What the heck are Barlow and Osman doing in the game with 3:40 to go. That's the question.

[SpursBills]

I expect Jeremy to ball out against shit front lines. He's not a total scrub on offense, he just can't shoot from distance and has trouble finishing against any kind of decent rim protection because he's 20 and raw as hell. That'll improve over time as he gets stronger and gets more reps, but he's fully capable of performances like today when his opponents are terrible.

[heyheymymy]

damn Pop is looking spry and energetic in this post game

crazy to think, but is Coach Pop actually too young and healthy to coach Spurs? is it possible for a coach to be too youthful and lionhearted?

[Splits]

Fuck. Worst win of the season. Fuckin Sochan, what a time for his "even a broken clock is right twice a day" game. Wiz just got their 14th win, we could be a game within the 2 seed instead of 4

[Tyronn Lue]

damn Pop is looking spry and energetic in this post game

crazy to think, but is Coach Pop actually too young and healthy to coach Spurs? is it possible for a coach to be too youthful and lionhearted?
Maybe he can impress some other front offices and get an offer.

[z0sa]

Sochan is such a troll.

[DAF86]

This is def not the first time it’s just been the most noticeable due to the blowout last game. Wemby doesn’t always integrate well with the team offense, defense, or play efficiently and that combo will get our ass handed to us.

Now, we also have a lot of other up and down young players of course too. I’m not trying to pin this all on Wemby by any means.

Dude, stop it. Yeah, not every player plays well everytime. Shockig news. The best Spurs lineups all have Wemby on there. He's by far the player with the most positive impact in the entire roster. Games like tonight are nothing more than flukes and not something that needs to be overanalized.

[Knoxxx]

Dude, stop it. Yeah, not every player plays well everytime. Shockig news. The best Spurs lineups all have Wemby on there. He's by far the player with the most positive impact in the entire roster. Games like tonight are nothing more than flukes and not something that needs to be overanalized.

No, you!

[Ariel]

Good for Jeremy tbh
Yeah, I wanted the loss but after watching the whole team celebrate around Sochan, I hope this gives him a confidence boost going forward... he needed it.

Also, some time ago this season Pop said something to the effect of "Sochan's shot is ugly but as long as it's going in it's not worth messing with". Well, it's not going in anymore, Sochan should be reworking his 3 point shot from the ground up, they wasted a year and a half but shouldn't let go another second. Besides the percentages, he can't be passing up good looks or taking forever to shoot. That's the key to his whole game, if he's even a Keldon level shooter that opens up his whole game, That's what he should be doing 24/7.

[Splits]

Dude, stop it. Yeah, not every player plays well everytime. Shockig news. The best Spurs lineups all have Wemby on there. He's by far the player with the most positive impact in the entire roster. Games like tonight are nothing more than flukes and not something that needs to be overanalized.

bend over, I'll analize you

[DAF86]

bend over, I'll analize you


No, you!

[Knoxxx]

bend over, I'll analize you

He’s just a blind sniffer. He doesn’t stop to think for a second why the Spurs just got 40 points better in two days, without their top player. Except that it’s just a “fluke”. And that’s the depth of his analysis :rollin

[DAF86]

He’s just a blind sniffer. He doesn’t stop to think for a second why the Spurs just got 40 points better in two days, without their top player. Except that it’s just a “fluke”. And that’s the depth of his analysis :rollin

What's your analysis, that we are 40 pts better without Wembanyama? :lmao

[Knoxxx]

What's your analysis, that we are 40 pts better without Wembanyama? :lmao

No I said he needs to integrate better and more consistently with the team, and be more efficient. Which includes cutting out the dumb ass turnovers that most everyone blindly ignores because they are so infatuated with him.

I know your not as dumb as your acting, stop trolling and get your head out of Wembys anus so you can actually see.

[DAF86]

No I said he needs to integrate better and more consistently with the team, and be more efficient. Which includes cutting out the dumb ass turnovers that most everyone blindly ignores because they are so infatuated with him.

I know your not as dumb as your acting, stop trolling and get your head out of Wembys anus so you can actually see.

I agree, just like the rest of the players need to also do. This is a young team and there's a reason they are 16 and 56.

Wemby is still the best player of the roster by a distance and the Spurs are dramatically better when he's on the floor, why are you acting as this fluke ass win means anything?

[ambchang]

It’s getting obvious wemby should be traded while his value is high.

[Seventyniner]

Series win against KD's Suns... who would've thought? :lol

That means he's gonna force a trade to the Spurs.

[Chinook]

The Spurs are 2-1 without Wemby since the All-Star Break, with wins over GS and Phoenix and the sole loss being that heart-breaking game against Sacramento. Calling the result a fluke is silly. The reality is that Victor isn't the only Spurs who improved after the ASB. We've known that the Wemby-less roster wasn't a bad as it has been this season. People should be happy that they're showing that now rather than insecure that a rookie isn't instantly making everyone around him better all the time. The Grizzlies routinely played better without Ja for years despite him being obviously their best player. It's okay for a small stretch of the season for Wemby's teammates to potentially perform closer to their previous standard without him.

[baseline bum]

Sochan is such a troll.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XiLal2WsYY

[baseline bum]

The Spurs are 2-1 without Wemby since the All-Star Break, with wins over GS and Phoenix and the sole loss being that heart-breaking game against Sacramento. Calling the result a fluke is silly. The reality is that Victor isn't the only Spurs who improved after the ASB. We've known that the Wemby-less roster wasn't a bad as it has been this season. People should be happy that they're showing that now rather than insecure that a rookie isn't instantly making everyone around him better all the time. The Grizzlies routinely played better without Ja for years despite him being obviously their best player. It's okay for a small stretch of the season for Wemby's teammates to potentially perform closer to their previous standard without him.

Wow they beat a Warriors team without Curry. I hope the front office doesn't take anything from this fool's gold win vs how trash they have been the rest of the season. If they keep playing good defense without Wemby on the floor then maybe you can take something from it but the big sample size says they don't. Also that Sacramento team is notorious for playing down to competition when the other team's star is out per their fanbase. Even blew a game at home to Detroit when Cade was out.

[Pauleta14]

The Spurs are 2-1 without Wemby since the All-Star Break, with wins over GS and Phoenix and the sole loss being that heart-breaking game against Sacramento. Calling the result a fluke is silly. The reality is that Victor isn't the only Spurs who improved after the ASB. We've known that the Wemby-less roster wasn't a bad as it has been this season. People should be happy that they're showing that now rather than insecure that a rookie isn't instantly making everyone around him better all the time. The Grizzlies routinely played better without Ja for years despite him being obviously their best player. It's okay for a small stretch of the season for Wemby's teammates to potentially perform closer to their previous standard without him.

Your mental gymnastic is impressive tbh :lol

This game is an embarrassment and shows how either cynical or incompetent this roster is.

Its like ppl using the number of total assit as an argument to convince they’re talented passers…

[Pauleta14]

Wow they beat a Warriors team without Curry. I hope the front office doesn't take anything from this fool's gold win vs how trash they have been the rest of the season. If they keep playing good defense without Wemby on the floor then maybe you can take something from it but the big sample size says they don't. Also that Sacramento team is notorious for playing down to competition when the other team's star is out per their fanbase. Even blew a game at home to Detroit when Cade was out.

This (about fool gold)

+ As weird as it sounds they’re only better without Wemby bc they lack talent. They don’t have to think much and just go plan A most of the time. Sochan loves it, heads down and reacts very well

Also let’s not act like Phoenix didn’t have a let down when they learned Wemby wouldn’t play…

[exstatic]

Jermey has a weird hitch or hesitation in his 3 point release

He keeps his left hand on the ball too long.

[JPB]

The Spurs are 2-1 without Wemby since the All-Star Break, with wins over GS and Phoenix and the sole loss being that heart-breaking game against Sacramento. Calling the result a fluke is silly. The reality is that Victor isn't the only Spurs who improved after the ASB. We've known that the Wemby-less roster wasn't a bad as it has been this season. People should be happy that they're showing that now rather than insecure that a rookie isn't instantly making everyone around him better all the time. The Grizzlies routinely played better without Ja for years despite him being obviously their best player. It's okay for a small stretch of the season for Wemby's teammates to potentially perform closer to their previous standard without him.

Come on, ofc it's a fluke. how can anyone take any kind of conclusions out of 3 freaking games, including one won in the last seconds compared to a whole season that says Spurs are better by a wild margin with Wemby on the floor, including after the ASG? That's what those stats are for, giving some perspective.

Suns had two shots at the win. If they score, the record is 1-2 since the ASB without Wemby... What's the analysis then? Same with people who said spurs and Malaki "turned a corner" after the ASG after they went from worth to top 3 point shooting team... Then They colled off, Malaki got 2/15 the next two games and spurs got back to their normal terrible, losing team.

suns admitted themselves they may have got complacent with Wemby off. And opponents don't also have a proper, clear scouting report of the spurs without Wemby, just like they didn't to start the season and spurs grabbed 3 wins in their first 5 games (leading to other crazy analyses).

[John B]

It’s good for Wemby to watch this game “looking in” and see the difference how the team play without him. Sure, team rallies without their best player, etc. Still Wemby can see how he can bring the best out of his teammates.

[NASpurs]

It’s good for Wemby to watch this game “looking in” and see the difference how the team play without him. Sure, team rallies without their best player, etc. Still Wemby can see how he can bring the best out of his teammates.

Or maybe they should learn how to play winning basketball during those 18 minutes when he's resting during games.

[John B]

Or maybe they should learn how to play winning basketball during those 18 minutes when he's resting during games.

reliance on Wemby, but also Wemby needing to integrate himself and vice versa. “Learning to play with each other”

[MultiTroll]

with wins over GS
*without Curry

[Chinook]

Wow they beat a Warriors team without Curry. I hope the front office doesn't take anything from this fool's gold win vs how trash they have been the rest of the season. If they keep playing good defense without Wemby on the floor then maybe you can take something from it but the big sample size says they don't. Also that Sacramento team is notorious for playing down to competition when the other team's star is out per their fanbase. Even blew a game at home to Detroit when Cade was out.

This logic only works if we were talking about a much better team. The Spurs haven't been able to close games against clubs having off nights, coming in flat, etc this year. These aren't the only times this has happened. People had no problem shitting on the players when they lost games without Victor. There was no "It's okay guys they didn't have their best player." It was, "This team is full of scrubs with a horrible coach". Now they had three quality games against good competition, and the excuses come out.


Come on, ofc it's a fluke. how can anyone take any kind of conclusions out of 3 freaking games, including one won in the last seconds compared to a whole season that says Spurs are better by a wild margin with Wemby on the floor, including after the ASG? That's what those stats are for, giving some perspective.

Suns had two shots at the win. If they score, the record is 1-2 since the ASB without Wemby... What's the analysis then? Same with people who said spurs and Malaki "turned a corner" after the ASG after they went from worth to top 3 point shooting team... Then They colled off, Malaki got 2/15 the next two games and spurs got back to their normal terrible, losing team.

suns admitted themselves they may have got complacent with Wemby off. And opponents don't also have a proper, clear scouting report of the spurs without Wemby, just like they didn't to start the season and spurs grabbed 3 wins in their first 5 games (leading to other crazy analyses).

It's not a fluke. They've played well in all three games without Wemby recently. It's possible to accept that without being insecure in what that means for Wemby. The issue is people are too caught up in narratives about Victor being the only NBA player on the team and would rather root against the guys figuring it out so they don't have to reconsider their opinion.

If the Suns had won a narrow game, the only thing that would change is the folks who are insecure about Wemby would breathe easier. It would still be a quality game just like the Sacramento game. No one is saying the team is better without Wemby or that he's not the best player, so no views would change in that regard. Those of us who are happy to see the remaining guys show life and can think past this petty shit to how the better guys play, the more easily they can be traded if need be. Only on ST is getting evidence your team's players aren't as bad as you thought a negative.

[Chinook]

*without Curry

Why do you think that's a caveat? The Spurs didn't have Vassell either in that game. For a horrible team, beating a playoff team down two players to their one is a quality win.

[MultiTroll]

Why do you think that's a caveat? The Spurs didn't have Vassell either in that game. For a horrible team, beating a playoff team down two players to their one is a quality win.
perhaps some thought should be given to how much better the ball moved with Vassell out.

[Dex]

This logic only works if we were talking about a much better team. The Spurs haven't been able to close games against clubs having off nights, coming in flat, etc this year. These aren't the only times this has happened. People had no problem shitting on the players when they lost games without Victor. There was no "It's okay guys they didn't have their best player." It was, "This team is full of scrubs with a horrible coach". Now they had three quality games against good competition, and the excuses come out.



It's not a fluke. They've played well in all three games without Wemby recently. It's possible to accept that without being insecure in what that means for Wemby. The issue is people are too caught up in narratives about Victor being the only NBA player on the team and would rather root against the guys figuring it out so they don't have to reconsider their opinion.

If the Suns had won a narrow game, the only thing that would change is the folks who are insecure about Wemby would breathe easier. It would still be a quality game just like the Sacramento game. No one is saying the team is better without Wemby or that he's not the best player, so no views would change in that regard. Those of us who are happy to see the remaining guys show life and can think past this petty shit to how the better guys play, the more easily they can be traded if need be. Only on ST is getting evidence your team's players aren't as bad as you thought a negative.

One thing I have noticed in the games without Wemby is that the offense is much more free flowing, the ball is moving all over the court (sometimes too much), and the offense is more balanced and unpredictable.

Obviously Wemby is our best player and he deserves as many touches as he can handle, but I feel like when he is in the game, it turns into a contest of "get the ball to Victor no matter what" even if it doesn't make sense.

His touches and looks aren't coming in the flow of the offense. Instead, he just posts up with help lingering and our guys try to throw a shitty entry pass into traffic. It may be effective sometimes, but it also leads to a ton of turnovers and is otherwise way too predictable.

As Wemby continues to improve, I'm sure that is a weapon he will have in his arsenal but it just seems clunky to me right now, and kind of bogs down the flow of the offense.

[Chinook]

perhaps some thought should be given to how much better the ball moved with Vassell out.

I think the team should take the opportunity to evaluate guys in when they have a chance to play elevated roles. The NBA is not simply a matter of addition and subtraction, which is how the Spurs' supporting players could be playing better during stretches with Wemby while it still being true that he's their best player and the key to the roster as a whole taking a step forward. Though just to directly address your post, Vassell being in raises the AST% from 68 to 72.2 and pace from 99.8 to 101.7. I don't think saying Devin negatively affects ball movement is well supported.

[JPB]

One thing I have noticed in the games without Wemby is that the offense is much more free flowing, the ball is moving all over the court (sometimes too much), and the offense is more balanced and unpredictable.

Obviously Wemby is our best player and he deserves as many touches as he can handle, but I feel like when he is in the game, it turns into a contest of "get the ball to Victor no matter what" even if it doesn't make sense.

His touches and looks aren't coming in the flow of the offense. Instead, he just posts up with help lingering and our guys try to throw a shitty entry pass into traffic. It may be effective sometimes, but it also leads to a ton of turnovers and is otherwise way too predictable.

As Wemby continues to improve, I'm sure that is a weapon he will have in his arsenal but it just seems clunky to me right now, and kind of bogs down the flow of the offense.

And yet, spurs are waaaaay much better all year long with Wemby on the floor. When he doesn't play, whether the whole game or is on the bench, this team is much worth. If your theories were right, spurs should also play better when he's on the bench... They're not. and it's not 2-1 sample (Curry IS the Warriors btw this year. Remove him, it's a bottom team) that's gonna change that...

[Chinook]

One thing I have noticed in the games without Wemby is that the offense is much more free flowing, the ball is moving all over the court (sometimes too much), and the offense is more balanced and unpredictable.

Obviously Wemby is our best player and he deserves as many touches as he can handle, but I feel like when he is in the game, it turns into a contest of "get the ball to Victor no matter what" even if it doesn't make sense.

His touches and looks aren't coming in the flow of the offense. Instead, he just posts up with help lingering and our guys try to throw a shitty entry pass into traffic. It may be effective sometimes, but it also leads to a ton of turnovers and is otherwise way too predictable.

As Wemby continues to improve, I'm sure that is a weapon he will have in his arsenal but it just seems clunky to me right now, and kind of bogs down the flow of the offense.

It's part of the reason why I've lost faith in Sean's ability to talk about the Spurs. He constantly paints a picture where throwing passes to Victor is this low-risk/high reward play that the other guys just need to get it into their heads to do. The reality is that the other teams have coaches and athletes too, and it's not as hard to disrupt entry passes as Wemby's catch radius implies. Throwing those passes to him is often a risky proposition and because of Wemby's inexperience, clean catches are not automatic buckets against defenses which know to bump him and dig for the ball. Part of the reality of Wemby having to learn to play center (because it's not natural to him) is him learning to do the things that free him and others up on offense, like setting good screens and rolling hard. He's made legit progress in that regard, but rather than that being the foundation of his paint touches, he still likes to cherry-pick and set early post-ups that require long passes. It would be nice for him to learn to do some things really well and branch out from there rather than trying to improve on everything at the same time.

[Dex]

And yet, spurs are waaaaay much better all year long with Wemby on the floor. When he doesn't play, whether the whole game or is on the bench, this team is much worth. If your theories were right, spurs should also play better when he's on the bench... They're not. and it's not 2-1 sample (Curry IS the Warriors btw this year. Remove him, it's a bottom team) that's gonna change that...

Right, the Spurs are better because Wemby IS that impactful of a player, even when he isn't being utilized properly. Opponents are figuring out how to front him, send doubles, and keep him away from the basket and so far it seems like he (and the team) haven't adjusted.

Yes, he's still putting up like 20-10 with 6 blocks so it's not like they are shutting him down, but he is still having to grind and has also been turnover prone.

It will be great once we start getting some better talent around him, but I'd also am excited to see him learn how to get better looks and easier shots in motion. We can't just go back to the days of four-down where we toss him the ball and everyone stands around and watches.

[Chinook]

And yet, spurs are waaaaay much better all year long with Wemby on the floor. When he doesn't play, whether the whole game or is on the bench, this team is much worth. If your theories were right, spurs should also play better when he's on the bench... They're not. and it's not 2-1 sample (Curry IS the Warriors btw this year. Remove him, it's a bottom team) that's gonna change that...

You're letting your insecurity get in the way of reading what he said. He didn't say the Spurs were better without him, even offensively. He said the offense doesn't flow as well with Wemby. His talent more than overcomes that, especially defensively. Offensively, it's a push (on/off of -.2 in terms of ORtg). They shoot a little better with him on the court and assist a lot more, but they turn the ball over more.

[Knoxxx]

You're letting your insecurity get in the way of reading what he said. He didn't say the Spurs were better without him, even offensively. He said the offense doesn't flow as well with Wemby. His talent more than overcomes that, especially defensively. Offensively, it's a push (on/off of -.2 in terms of ORtg). They shoot a little better with him on the court and assist a lot more, but they turn the ball over more.

If you even imply that the Spurs need to play better with Wemby and/or Wemby needs to play better, that will bring attackers out of the weeds. The Spurs are not any better with Wemby and should be. From there why would the natural thing to discuss not be why that would be the case? But Wemby sniffers aren't having it! That from (me) an early critic of Wemby and his high turnovers and lack of flow with the offense.

Now, did anyone notice how bad the refs were? Chapagnie gets tagged on the back on a 3 and no call. Wesley doesn't even touch Booker who kicks his leg out and we have to challenge the call, which would have been a crusher on our chances to win otherwise. Thank God for the challenge, back in the day calls like that just stood and we were left to just deal w/it.

[Chinook]

If you even imply that the Spurs need to play better with Wemby and/or Wemby needs to play better, that will bring attackers out of the weeds. The Spurs are not any better with Wemby and should be. From there why would the natural thing to discuss not be why that would be the case? But Wemby sniffers aren't having it! That from (me) an early critic of Wemby and his high turnovers and lack of flow with the offense.

Now, did anyone notice how bad the refs were? Chapagnie gets tagged on the back on a 3 and no call. Wesley doesn't even touch Booker who kicks his leg out and we have to challenge the call, which would have been a crusher on our chances to win otherwise. Thank God for the challenge, back in the day calls like that just stood and we were left to just deal w/it.

We had folks who thought it made more sense to come up with conspiracies about everyone hating Wemby or being jealous of him to justify why the lob game wasn't successful. They seriously thought that was more reasonable than considering that a teenager (at the time) going up against NBA athletes consistently for the first time may not actually be that great of a lob threat or have the best read on whether he should get the ball in a given situation. They won't let him be a rookie.

And yes, the refs let the Suns back into the game with some blatant "makeup calls". Glad the Spurs still pulled it out in the end

[MultiTroll]

Did the Spurs ever win a game with Timmy Dunkan out?

[MultiTroll]

We had folks who thought it made more sense to come up with conspiracies about everyone hating Wemby or being jealous of him to justify why the lob game wasn't successful. They seriously thought that was more reasonable than considering that a teenager (at the time) going up against NBA athletes consistently for the first time may not actually be that great of a lob threat or have the best read on whether he should get the ball in a given situation. They won't let him be a rookie.

And yes, the refs let the Suns back into the game with some blatant "makeup calls". Glad the Spurs still pulled it out in the end
Or we watched the games and saw that Wemby is an excellent positioner and reciever of lobs, with great hands and being 7'4'.....

yeah, we rightly concluded the freeze outs and shitty lobs were the problem.

[Chinook]

Or we watched the games and saw that Wemby is an excellent positioner and reciever of lobs, with great hands and being 7'4'.....

yeah, we rightly concluded the freeze outs and shitty lobs were the problem.

Yet, it's pretty obvious that wasn't the case, and the "conclusion" was bullshit to try to support a series of assumptions that never had a solid base to begin with.

[Chinook]

Did the Spurs ever win a game with Timmy Dunkan out?

They were actually pretty famous for being able to win games against quality opponents even when all three of Tim, Tony and Manu sat out. Them getting those games was a routine part of the RRT. The difference then is that fans weren't so insecure and could just be happy with a win without freaking out that their star didn't play.

[MultiTroll]

Yet, it's pretty obvious that wasn't the case, and the "conclusion" was bullshit to try to support a series of assumptions that never had a solid base to begin with.
No.

Agree to disagree.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

I think because of the hype around Wemby we’re seeing teams compete with us a lot harder with him on the floor than they did against us last season. No one took the Spurs seriously last year which is I think why we snuck out a few more wins. We saw that last night with Phoenix. The Suns were hyped when they played us the other night with Wemby. No Wemby and we were met with minimal resistance.

[baseline bum]

This logic only works if we were talking about a much better team. The Spurs haven't been able to close games against clubs having off nights, coming in flat, etc this year. These aren't the only times this has happened. People had no problem shitting on the players when they lost games without Victor. There was no "It's okay guys they didn't have their best player." It was, "This team is full of scrubs with a horrible coach". Now they had three quality games against good competition, and the excuses come out.


Meh this team holding Phoenix to 102 points when they had been historically bad defensively without Victor is absolutely a fluke.

[baseline bum]

They were actually pretty famous for being able to win games against quality opponents even when all three of Tim, Tony and Manu sat out. Them getting those games was a routine part of the RRT. The difference then is that fans weren't so insecure and could just be happy with a win without freaking out that their star didn't play.

That wasn't a team that needed to be purged around Tim, Manu, and Tony. This is a supporting cast Pop loved last year and expected to be able to win with this year and they have been trash. I don't want Wright and RC to be suckered into bringing these scrubs back again like they were last summer.

[Knoxxx]

Well maybe we toned down the lob game to avoid injury also. But the more likely case is we just aren’t that good at it which includes both bad passers as well as an inconsistent rookie recipient of said passes. Also Wemby gets hacked a lot in those situations some games.

[Pauleta14]

He won't admit it but Chinook thinks Chet should win ROY :lol

[MultiTroll]

He won't admit it but Chinook thinks Chet should win ROY :lol
Along with some All Pro votes for Tre, Chucky Vassell and Chucky Johnson? :lol

[KobesAchilles]

Chinook is not a fan of Wemby. Dude never has anything positive to say about him. It’s always what Wemby needs to work on. How we need to look at the 3 games without Wemby that we won as some sort of introspection. The game is actually pretty easy to play with Wemby, Chinook just overcomplicates things for no fucking reason. Dude literally said it’s hard to make an entry pass. Weird bc Manu and Tony made them all the time. It seemed to work out. Didn’t here nary a word from Chinook, oh Manu has to stop with that high risk entry pass.

Sean is from a time period where making a fucking entry pass and feeding the big man was expected. So ofc he sees it as easy bc it is freaking easy. Just bc Tre Jones can’t do it doesn’t make it difficult. We have surrounded our big man with 3 people who can’t shoot the ball. And then complain when the ball doesn’t fly around. Like what’s the better shot? Sochan for 3? Champ? Or Wemby for an easy dunk.

Lobs are another fucking easy pass. I was throwing lobs in middle school to my friends to finish. And by high school you just point up and throw the damn thing up. I’ve lost count how many point guards made their bread and butter throwing fucking lobs but Chinook rather say that lobs are somehow difficult to throw and the “window” isn’t there for our guys. So somehow Kyrie and Luka can throw lobs to their big men and it works out. But not our players. Just no windows guys. It’s a difficult thing to throw lobs to a 7ft 4 athletic and long center. I mean the shit that is posted here is just wilding sometimes.

Also no shit Chinook that Wemby has stuff to work on but he’s the young one on the team. People say that Sochan and Vassell and Tre are young but Wemby is younger than all those mofos and you give them a way higher pass for being shitty rather than Wemby for actually being good

[Pauleta14]

Chinook isn't alone, John B is funny with his "Wemby needs to get over himself and learn to play with Tre and Sochan..." :lol

[Knoxxx]

The issue is not one of trying to be overly critical of Wemby it is simply about wanting to discus ways he and the team can all improve. Wemby having too many turnovers or the team not playing better overall with him are topics related to both how he and the team can improve and not as simply characterized as saying Wemby sucks or is not great already but rather simply wanting to discuss that path for improvement as we all want to see happen.

[Chinook]

Chinook is not a fan of Wemby.

Feels like the issue you're having is that you think "being a fan of Wemby" means agreeing with the various leaps in logic and conspiracies people on this board make to justify or excuse their irrational expectations. The reality is that being a fan of his doesn't have a handbook or an orthodoxy. There's plenty of room to be a fan of his while coming to vastly different conclusions.

As an example, you think me saying the Spurs' last three Wemby-less games aren't meaningless must mean that I think Wemby is hurting the team. The only reason why that logic fits in your head is because people started off with the premise "Victor is a GOAT prospect and must have the immediate impact of other GOAT prospects." Then when the team didn't win more games, you had to come up with the entire team and staff being horrible to balance out Wemby's greatness. So when that horrible roster with a horrible coaching staff plays quality ball without him, the foundation of the belief starts to crumble. The only way to save it is to believe the games are flukes with no meaning to them.

For me, though, I don't give a shit about Wemby matching some legacy or living up to some standard. He's a rookie and deserves all of the consideration and grace every other rookie gets. So the team losing games with him doesn't bother me -- I don't think it has to be someone's "fault". I wanted them to approach this season differently, but I'll take the draft pick. When the guys start to play well without Wemby, it gets to be a completely uncomplicated good thing. I don't have any investment in the surrounding cast being bad. I can look at the games and say "Yep, it means they played well, that they have some talent and that the coach was able to get through to them in a way he wasn't able to do earlier." They're going to still have this same coach and most of these same players next year. There's zero downside to them looking good.

So yeah, I'm not really critical of Wemby very often at all. I'm much more often critical of how fans and the media bring their own baggage into conversations about him. I think Wemby's having a great rookie year, but a lot of fans don't because he's not meeting their unfair expectations of him. That they chose to cast blame on everyone else doesn't really change the fact that they can't just be happy with Victor being who he is and letting him develop. He can't be on the way to being a championship centerpiece -- he has to already be there but missing a championship core. He can't just be competitive -- he has to be upset with PATFO for not meeting his standards. He can't just be a young man who is trying to develop chemistry with his teammates -- he has to be the target of a concerted effort to freeze him out due to their jealousy of his stardom.

It's exhausting, and folks like you who pretend to understand how all that is bullshit but then turn around and repeat it just take the cake. I am a big proponent of just letting Wemby be the 20-year-old rookie he is. Failing to see him isn't the same thing as supporting him.


Dude literally said it’s hard to make an entry pass. Weird bc Manu and Tony made them all the time. It seemed to work out. Didn’t here nary a word from Chinook, oh Manu has to stop with that high risk entry pass.

Entry passes aren't hard, which is why the Spurs make them to other players routinely. The passes people wanted them to make to Wemby with him being triple covered and a guy in the passer's face are the hard passes. You could see this by actually looking at film of other Spurs post-ups, but part of the package with this crew is being unwilling to entertain any evidence that doesn't support their preconceived notions.


Lobs are another fucking easy pass

Lobs are neither an easy or a hard pass. They are a tool used in certain situations. Their advantage is supposed to be their high trajectory, but necessary downside is that they're slow. In many cases where people call for lobs, it's not the right pass. Teams can and do react to it when they're in defensive position. That's why it's far more common to see it thrown against a moving defense. This is basic shit one could just look up, but whatever.


Also no shit Chinook that Wemby has stuff to work on but he’s the young one on the team. People say that Sochan and Vassell and Tre are young but Wemby is younger than all those mofos and you give them a way higher pass for being shitty rather than Wemby for actually being good

This is a nothingburger of a paragraph. Talking about improvement areas isn't hate. The reason why it's important to talk about where Victor is is because he sets the timeline. Folks don't understand how much development is left, so they're trying to accelerate past where he is and then try to pass off that lack of context as being "What Wemby wants" and impart all of their basketball-related fears and insecurities onto it. It doesn't matter if Sochan or Jones or Johnson is ready to go or needs to improve. None of them is guaranteed to be on the team next year. The only piece that currently matters is Wemby. MAYBE Vassell matters too but only within the context of Wemby's timeline. Victor can take as much time as he needs to get ready. The important thing is to understand that he does need that time, though.

[Pauleta14]

The issue is not one of trying to be overly critical of Wemby it is simply about wanting to discus ways he and the team can all improve. Wemby having too many turnovers or the team not playing better overall with him are topics related to both how he and the team can improve and not as simply characterized as saying Wemby sucks or is not great already but rather simply wanting to discuss that path for improvement as we all want to see happen.

It’s not the issue at all. Nobody is saying Wemby is perfect but let’s not put on him the limitations of his teammates.

Chinook can keep acting all patronising but he’s said so many stupid things for so many years one would expect a bit more humility from him.

he constantly sees at best the glass half empty in all his post about Wemby and clearly he’d prefer the Spurs to have Chet when u read his posts.

i don’t really care and find it quite entertaining tbh but we’re reaching a funny level of absurdity. Let’s focus on the players that have no future and focus on why Wemby can’t adapt his game to them! :lol

Poor Chinook is « exhausted » apparently

[Knoxxx]

Chinook is this true that you’d rather have Chet than Wemby? That sounds unbelievable to me?!?

[Chinook]

Chinook is this true that you’d rather have Chet than Wemby? That sounds unbelievable to me?!?

Fuck no. It's just another knot some folks are tying themselves in to not have to reconsider their opinions

[ambchang]

When there are no arguments, make shit up.

[rjv]

When there are no arguments, make shit up.

that's the law of the land in America

[Knoxxx]

Fuck no. It's just another knot some folks are tying themselves in to not have to reconsider their opinions

Sounds like we have a combination of disingenuous and grudge holding going on here.

[Pauleta14]

Sounds like we have a combination of disingenuous and grudge holding going on here.

Please tell me you’re not serious…??

If you are both u and chinook need to consult urgently.

Not having any sense of humour is a classic criteria of stupidity and lack of awareness.

You take care buddy :lol

Edit / Just add ambchang to your group ^^

[Splits]

I just can't believe Chinook would trade VW for Chet straight up. wtf