LMAO wemby

[chubbs]

lol beating suns without him
lol according to spurs fans this is an 0-82 team that cant even compete among d2 colleges

[Barfunk]

lol beating suns without him
lol according to spurs fans this is an 0-82 team that cant even compete among d2 colleges

The sample size is much too small to come to a conclusion. Let's see what happens after say 2 or 3 more games. Then we can start talking about maybe not really needing Wemby to win a championship.

[chubbs]

The sample size is much too small to come to a conclusion. Let's see what happens after say 2 or 3 more games. Then we can start talking about maybe not really needing Wemby to win a championship.

not what i said

but the supporting cast isnt quite as bad as spurfan make it out to be

[DAF86]

The Spurs are a whooping 2 and 7 without Wembanyama in the lineup.

[Spurminator]

https://cdn.buyoly.com/mixed-feelings-workshop-you-tried-sticker-MAIN-6504ccc436a56-1500.jpg

[chubbs]

The Spurs are a whooping 2 and 7 without Wembanyama in the lineup.

you realize thats the exact same winning percentage as they have with him? :lmao :lmao :lmao

[chubbs]

https://cdn.buyoly.com/mixed-feelings-workshop-you-tried-sticker-MAIN-6504ccc436a56-1500.jpg

:lmao winning 22% of games with wemby

:lmao also winning 22% of games without wemby

:lmao wemby officially a non-factor

[Knoxxx]

The question I’ve been asking is why aren’t the Spurs better with Wemby and its integration and efficiency. The sum of the parts aren’t quite adding up yet.

[timtonymanu]

:lol Suns
:lol 1-3 against this crappy spurs team
:lol Durbeta

[Tyronn Lue]

Just what the forum needs, yet another try hard.

[itzsoweezee]

Dump wemby and start Sochan at center! This guy’s a genius

[DAF86]

The question I’ve been asking is why aren’t the Spurs better with Wemby and its integration and efficiency. The sum of the parts aren’t quite adding up yet.

But they are, by a laughable distance. Wemby's on/off splits are almost comical.

I don't know how many of these stats still hold true but I saw them not too long ago:

-After becoming the full time center, the Spurs have the 3rd best defense in the league with Wemby on the floor (I think the rating was around 114 pts) and the worst defense, not only in the league, but in the entire history of the NBA without him (around 124 pts).

-The lineup of Tre Jones, Vassell, Keldon, Sochan and Wemby has the 5th best net rating in the entire NBA.

-Wemby is 8th in the entire NBA in player estimate impact. He's amongst the likes of Jokic, Doncic, SGA, Giannis and Lebron James while playing on a 16 and 56 team.

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/advanced-leaders

This whole notion that the Spurs aren't better with Wemby is simply not true. You asked for in-depth analysis, here you have it.

[Rubberducky]

https://media1.tenor.com/m/ecMfnnDyJJYAAAAC/life-miss.gif

[chubbs]

But they are, by a laughable distance. Wemby's on/off splits are almost comical.

I don't know how many of these stats still hold true but I saw them not too long ago:

-After becoming the full time center, the Spurs have the 3rd best defense in the league with Wemby on the floor (I think the rating was around 114 pts) and the worst defense, not only in the league, but in the entire history of the NBA without him (around 124 pts).

-The lineup of Tre Jones, Vassell, Keldon, Sochan and Wemby has the 5th best net rating in the entire NBA.

-Wemby is 8th in the entire NBA in player estimate impact. He's amongst the likes of Jokic, Doncic, SGA, Giannis and Lebron James while playing on a 16 and 56 team.

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/advanced-leaders

This whole notion that the Spurs aren't better with Wemby is simply not true. You asked for in-depth analysis, here you have it.

yet the most important stat is

.222 win % with him

.222 win % without him

rofl

[Knoxxx]

But they are, by a laughable distance. Wemby's on/off splits are almost comical.

I don't know how many of these stats still hold true but I saw them not too long ago:

-After becoming the full time center, the Spurs have the 3rd best defense in the league with Wemby on the floor (I think the rating was around 114 pts) and the worst defense, not only in the league, but in the entire history of the NBA without him (around 124 pts).

-The lineup of Tre Jones, Vassell, Keldon, Sochan and Wemby has the 5th best net rating in the entire NBA.

-Wemby is 8th in the entire NBA in player estimate impact. He's amongst the likes of Jokic, Doncic, SGA, Giannis and Lebron James while playing on a 16 and 56 team.

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/advanced-leaders

This whole notion that the Spurs aren't better with Wemby is simply not true. You asked for in-depth analysis, here you have it.

Much better I knew you had it in you! The key to getting better as a team is figuring out why everyone can’t get clicking at once.

[Jordan Jackson]

You do realize opposing teams mail it in against the Spurs when Wemby is not playing. Bradley Beal admitted as much.

[baseline bum]

not what i said

but the supporting cast isnt quite as bad as spurfan make it out to be

They're pretty awful. The defensive rating was 125.5 in the 8 games he missed before this one. The Spurs set the alltime worst defensive rating record last year at 120.0 to put in context how bad that 125.5 rating was. The Suns just played down to competition in a trap game and the Spurs didn't beat themselves tonight. It's a fair criticism to cite Wemby's turnovers as something that kills the Spurs some nights but watching a full season of this team things usually go to hell the second he comes off the floor, mostly because the defense is historically bad from the rest of the roster. As much as Wemby scares people off from putting up shots when he's around, Collins and Sochan typically invite it at the rim.

[Pauleta14]

yet the most important stat is

.222 win % with him

.222 win % without him

rofl


You don’t understand stats nor the difference between correlation and causation.

Nice troll job tho ^^

[Proxy]

u must've been salivating to post this low hanging fruit before another troll

[szkorhetz]

Actually, a lot of guys step up when it's not a one man show...

[SouthernFryd]

The Spurs are not so bad, eh?

No...they are that bad. They are horrible.

They can win a game every now and then...doesn't mean they aren't as bad as they are. They are.

[mo7888]

yet the most important stat is

.222 win % with him

.222 win % without him

rofl

That's actually the least important stat this season... but whatever..

[Seventyniner]

They're pretty awful. The defensive rating was 125.5 in the 8 games he missed before this one. The Spurs set the alltime worst defensive rating record last year at 120.0 to put in context how bad that 125.5 rating was. The Suns just played down to competition in a trap game and the Spurs didn't beat themselves tonight. It's a fair criticism to cite Wemby's turnovers as something that kills the Spurs some nights but watching a full season of this team things usually go to hell the second he comes off the floor, mostly because the defense is historically bad from the rest of the roster. As much as Wemby scares people off from putting up shots when he's around, Collins and Sochan typically invite it at the rim.

This has to stop. Last year's Spurs had the worst defensive rating in history by absolute numbers, but the entire league has made big strides in offensive efficiency in the last decade or so.

Relative to league average, last year's Spurs defense wasn't even the worst in the last decade let alone the worst in NBA history.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Meh…reasonable try OP. I give it a C-. Could have been better. It’s like Tre Jones running the point and getting 8pts, 4 assists and 2 turnovers. It was ok. Pat yourself on the back for competing.

[Cry Havoc]

84 posts since 2008 and somehow you still post entirely too often.

[Cry Havoc]

This has to stop. Last year's Spurs had the worst defensive rating in history by absolute numbers, but the entire league has made big strides in offensive efficiency in the last decade or so.

Relative to league average, last year's Spurs defense wasn't even the worst in the last decade let alone the worst in NBA history.

So your argument is they were incredibly awful instead of historically bad? I mean, that's certainly a distinction to make. Not sure if it's the hill you die on. Offenses have improved but the spurs were still the worst in the L by a pretty notable margin.

[widowmaker]

Wemby didn’t play spurs beat the suns and………..

[Seventyniner]

So your argument is they were incredibly awful instead of historically bad? I mean, that's certainly a distinction to make. Not sure if it's the hill you die on. Offenses have improved but the spurs were still the worst in the L by a pretty notable margin.

Here's a chart of league worst defenses, by Defensive Rating, going back 10 years.



SEASON
AVG DRTG
WORST TEAM
WORST DRTG
DIFF
% DIFF


2014
106.7
MIL
111.8
5.1
4.8%


2015
105.6
MIN
112.2
6.6
6.3%


2016
106.4
LAL
111.6
5.2
4.9%


2017
108.8
LAL
113.0
4.2
3.9%


2018
108.6
PHO
112.8
4.2
3.9%


2019
110.4
CLE
117.6
7.2
6.5%


2020
110.6
WAS
115.5
4.9
4.4%


2021
112.3
SAC
117.2
4.9
4.4%


2022
112.0
POR
116.9
4.9
4.4%


2023
114.8
SAS
120.0
5.2
4.5%




Last year's Spurs were about on par with other league-worst defenses in the last decade. That 120.0 is the highest number on the list, which is where people get the "worst defense in NBA history" idea, but that leaves out the context of overall league-wide improvement in offensive efficiency.

[baseline bum]

Here's a chart of league worst defenses, by Defensive Rating, going back 10 years.



SEASON
AVG DRTG
WORST TEAM
WORST DRTG
DIFF
% DIFF


2014
106.7
MIL
111.8
5.1
4.8%


2015
105.6
MIN
112.2
6.6
6.3%


2016
106.4
LAL
111.6
5.2
4.9%


2017
108.8
LAL
113.0
4.2
3.9%


2018
108.6
PHO
112.8
4.2
3.9%


2019
110.4
CLE
117.6
7.2
6.5%


2020
110.6
WAS
115.5
4.9
4.4%


2021
112.3
SAC
117.2
4.9
4.4%


2022
112.0
POR
116.9
4.9
4.4%


2023
114.8
SAS
120.0
5.2
4.5%




Last year's Spurs were about on par with other league-worst defenses in the last decade. That 120.0 is the highest number on the list, which is where people get the "worst defense in NBA history" idea, but that leaves out the context of overall league-wide improvement in offensive efficiency.

OK so the Spurs were the worst defense last year and without Wemby they were significantly worse this year at 125.5 defensive rating without him until last night. Can't excuse that dropoff with any pace talk since the worst defensive ratings this year are Utah and Washington at 119.4.

[scott]

So what's the takeaway here? We are trading Wemby? Think we can get a SRP for him?

[Leetonidas]

Lol this thread getting to two pages

[DAF86]

:lmao winning 22% of games with wemby

:lmao also winning 22% of games without wemby

:lmao wemby officially a non-factor

30% winning with Wemby :hat

[CorrectCrusader]

OK so the Spurs were the worst defense last year and without Wemby they were significantly worse this year at 125.5 defensive rating without him until last night. Can't excuse that dropoff with any pace talk since the worst defensive ratings this year are Utah and Washington at 119.4.

2014 worst defense would be 2024s best defense. Blows my mind

[Seventyniner]

OK so the Spurs were the worst defense last year and without Wemby they were significantly worse this year at 125.5 defensive rating without him until last night. Can't excuse that dropoff with any pace talk since the worst defensive ratings this year are Utah and Washington at 119.4.

I'm not arguing with what you're saying. Yes, the Spurs' defense last year was league-worst and this year has been even worse when Wemby is off the floor. Needless to say, that will have to drastically improve for the Spurs to be competitive.

What I'm pushing back against is the "historically bad" narrative. Last year's Spurs defense wasn't any worse relative to league average than, say, the 2016 Lakers.

Defensive Rating is already adjusted for pace, so pace isn't a consideration in these numbers.

[rjv]

rockets have gone on a tear with sengun out. that dude sucks.

[chubbs]

Lol this thread getting to two pages

this guy gets it

[libertarian4321]

lol beating suns without him
lol according to spurs fans this is an 0-82 team that cant even compete among d2 colleges

This post aged like fresh milk left out in the summer San Antonio sun.

[Knoxxx]

Lol this thread getting to two pages

ST posters have no shame.