Tonight Victor tied Gobert alltime

[baseline bum]

for 7 games in his career with 7+ blocks

Victor 7/69
Gobert 7/752

[CorrectCrusader]

incredible

[Atl Spur]

for 7 games in his career with 7+ blocks

Victor 7/69
Gobert 7/752

Wow!!!

[NASpurs]

Wemby getting DPOY has been gaining a lot of steam lately. I'm starting to believe :lol

[BatManu20]

He’s still going to get shafted tbh. And it’s going to be the worst robbery for DPOY of all-time. You hate to see it.

[Robz4000]

He’s still going to get shafted tbh. And it’s going to be the worst robbery for DPOY of all-time. You hate to see it.

Marcus Camby over Timmy says hi tbh.

[MultiTroll]

Timing has gotten even more excellent.

When to jump and extend, as well as when not to go for the fake / jump too early.

:toast

[Thomas82]

Marcus Camby over Timmy says hi tbh.

So does Marc Gasol over Timmy.

[spurraider21]

Marcus Camby over Timmy says hi tbh.


So does Marc Gasol over Timmy.
Duncan wasnt the runner up either time

[skin27]

Duncan want the runner up either time

Gasol's grizzlies thaat year was good defensively

[Raven]

actually hard to argue against his dpoy title... i mean it is not close at all.

[BatManu20]

Insane.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GKmVuTNbkAAgnYA?format=jpg&name=medium

[SPURt]

Insane.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GKmVuTNbkAAgnYA?format=jpg&name=medium
This is indeed crazy

[spursparker9]

They should change the award name to "DPOY of the best defensive team"

[exstatic]

He’s still going to get shafted tbh. And it’s going to be the worst robbery for DPOY of all-time. You hate to see it.

Nah, Camby over Duncan.

[exstatic]

Duncan wasnt the runner up either time

So, if Wemby finishes 3rd, he didn’t get shafted?

[Dejounte]

Is on/off really that accurate when his backup is Zach Collins, the worst C on the entire planet? I feel that number is heavily skewed. Opponents score on Zach with ease and aren’t afraid.

[Tyronn Lue]

I don't think most players would have a problem with Victor getting the DPOY, unless that player is in the talks for it themselves. I've never seen a player affect the decisions of the other teams' entire offense just by being on the court. Even greats like Kawhi wouldn't do that, since they were mostly 1:1 defenders with ability to help.

[Tyronn Lue]

Is on/off really that accurate when his backup is Zach Collins, the worst C on the entire planet? I feel that number is heavily skewed. Opponents score on Zach with ease and aren’t afraid.
It's still on/off. If the backup was better the Spurs would have a better record and Victor might be a shoo-in.

[thiste]

Here's a table of total blocks by rookies in NBA history. Victor is currently 6th with 245 blocks and he probably won't crack the top 5 (271) within the last 4 games. Where do you guys think he will end up with only 4 more games to play? He should end up over 250 and there's a reasonable chance he gets to 260 imho




TOT. BLKMINBLK/36GAMESSEASON



Manute Bol39720906.848085-86



David Robinson31930023.838289-90



Shaquille O'Neal28630713.358192-93



Mark Eaton27515286.488182-83



Alonzo Mourning27126443.697892-93



Victor Wembanyama24520394.336923-24



Hakeem Olajuwon22029142.728284-85

[spurraider21]

To tie Zo he needs 26 blocks in 4 games which is a 6.5 average. And then 7.5 average to tie Eaton

think he should shoot for the moon and go after Bol. Just gotta average 38/game

[z0sa]

To tie Zo he needs 26 blocks in 4 games which is a 6.5 average. And then 7.5 average to tie Eaton

think he should shoot for the moon and go after Bol. Just gotta average 38/game

Totally possible, just needs to start blocking his own teammates tbh

[Dex]

Insane.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GKmVuTNbkAAgnYA?format=jpg&name=medium

If this doesn't at least put him legitimately in the conversation, then the DPOY award is a joke.

Yes, the Timberwolves are the #1 defense and have a far superior record because they have a far superior team overall.

But the fact that the Spurs become one of the best defenses in the NBA when Wemby is on the floor and instantly become one of the worst defenses as soon as he sits proves his worth as an individual player.

Gobert will probably get it because Minnesota is the Cinderella story of the season, but I think it's going to be closer than people expect.

[Seventyniner]

I don't mind the whole defensive on/off thing providing nuance, but it shouldn't be a big factor in the DPOY race. So much of the +/- is affected by the quality of his backup.

[Dex]

I don't mind the whole defensive on/off thing providing nuance, but it shouldn't be a big factor in the DPOY race. So much of the +/- is affected by the quality of his backup.

True, but it also does speak to the level of talent surrounding Wemby and not in a good way. Spurs being 22nd in Def. Rating isn't great but they would be dead last without him.

Wemby is just as much of an anchor as Gobert is, and Rudy benefits from having other plus defenders around him. Wemby basically is having to do everything right now...defend, block, rebound, bring the ball up the foor, oh...and put up 20+ a night.

[kace]

I don't mind the whole defensive on/off thing providing nuance, but it shouldn't be a big factor in the DPOY race. So much of the +/- is affected by the quality of his backup.

Victor would be DPOY in front of Gobert if it was only for the individual defensive level this year. I don't think it would be close.

So you have to take in account the team factor and i agree with it: but the spurs are actually a good team defensively with Victor, that's the whole point of the on/off stat.

Who give a fuck about the standings for DPOY award ? what's the logic ? it's not MVP.

If the Spurs were a bad team even with Victor defensively, i could understand, you have to impact your team level, even for this award.

But the fact that the spurs are rather good defensively with him and with a team so bad defensively without him should help him, not the contrary. Minnesota is still a good team without Gobert.

Honnestly, i don't really care, because if the spurs give him even an average cast and victor is healthy, he should win it many many times. But it's an individual accolade, and Victor has done everything to earn it as soon as this year.

[Knoxxx]

for 7 games in his career with 7+ blocks

Victor 7/69
Gobert 7/752

Stop making up fake stats, tbh. :)

[JPB]

Stop making up fake stats, tbh. :)

That's a legit stat.

[objective]

If this doesn't at least put him legitimately in the conversation, then the DPOY award is a joke.


Sad news for everyone, the DPOY and all defensive awards HAVE ALWAYS been a joke

Anyone around long enough would remember that players or teams who cried enough about not winning it were always rewarded, sometimes multiple times as voters are too stupid and lazy to think for themselves.

Mutombo cried about it to the media, then wins a bunch as a result. Camby cried about it, then he won. The Pacers cried about it on Artist's behalf, spamming voters with exclusive stats not available to the public, then he won. If Pop and the Spurs had ever cried on Duncan's behalf, he absolutely would have won one.

Even the all defense teams are a joke. How many years was Kobe on it despite not deserving it?

[Dex]

Sad news for everyone, the DPOY and all defensive awards HAVE ALWAYS been a joke

Anyone around long enough would remember that players or teams who cried enough about not winning it were always rewarded, sometimes multiple times as voters are too stupid and lazy to think for themselves.

Mutombo cried about it to the media, then wins a bunch as a result. Camby cried about it, then he won. The Pacers cried about it on Artist's behalf, spamming voters with exclusive stats not available to the public, then he won. If Pop and the Spurs had ever cried on Duncan's behalf, he absolutely would have won one.

Even the all defense teams are a joke. How many years was Kobe on it despite not deserving it?

Sounds like the Spurs need to start crying about it, tbh

Hopefully we will have many years for Wemby to have a chance to win it, but it would be pretty cool (and actually historic) to win ROY and DPOY at the same time, and ROY seems to be a lock.

[spurraider21]

isnt it true that the spurs pr team didnt put out a single thing promoting for wemby to receive all star votes. what makes us think theyre going to suddenly start doing so for DPOY?

[Biggems]

Here's a table of total blocks by rookies in NBA history. Victor is currently 6th with 245 blocks and he probably won't crack the top 5 (271) within the last 4 games. Where do you guys think he will end up with only 4 more games to play? He should end up over 250 and there's a reasonable chance he gets to 260 imho




TOT. BLKMINBLK/36GAMESSEASON



Manute Bol39720906.848085-86



David Robinson31930023.838289-90



Shaquille O'Neal28630713.358192-93



Mark Eaton27515286.488182-83



Alonzo Mourning27126443.697892-93



Victor Wembanyama24520394.336923-24



Hakeem Olajuwon22029142.728284-85



Bol and Eaton were freakin ridiculous shot blockers.

[Biggems]

When all those other guys were doing it, the game was still inside-out. It was a big man's game. Now it is pretty much an outside-in game. Wemby is doing it in an era of massive 3pt shooting and far less attacking of the paint.

[mudyez]

Not only inside out but more importantly without defensive 3 second violation. Not to take anything away from them.

[baseline bum]

Stop making up fake stats, tbh. :)

I saw Broussard bring it up the other day when he was explaining that Victor would probably get his DPOY vote, checked in basketball-reference, and it was legit.

[Knoxxx]

I saw Broussard bring it up the other day when he was explaining that Victor would probably get his DPOY vote, checked in basketball-reference, and it was legit.

I was just hasslin ya, tbh. :smokin

[Thomas82]

Duncan wasnt the runner up either time

Nope!! The worst part about it is that he never finished higher than 3rd.

[taps]

Nope!! The worst part about it is that he never finished higher than 3rd.
It was a time of great conspiracy.

[TD 21]

Wembanyama is already the GOAT shot blocker. Only '86, '87 and '89 Bol has him (slightly) beat in terms of single season %, but that was in an era where the 3 was in it's infancy and the game was played in congestion. He also didn't have the same versatility (chase down, closing out to 3, etc.) and was more of a stationary rim protector.

Despite this, ranking third among qualifiers in defensive rebound % and years of data that indicate two-big lineups lag offensively in an offense first league, there's still people advocating for utilizing assets on a center when he's the undisputed best prospect at it since Duncan. You can't make this up.

[Thomas82]

It was a time of great conspiracy.


100%!!

[Thomas82]

Wembanyama is already the GOAT shot blocker. Only '86, '87 and '89 Bol has him (slightly) beat in terms of single season %, but that was in an era where the 3 was in it's infancy and the game was played in congestion. He also didn't have the same versatility (chase down, closing out to 3, etc.) and was more of a stationary rim protector.

Despite this, ranking third among qualifiers in defensive rebound % and years of data that indicate two-big lineups lag offensively in an offense first league, there's still people advocating for utilizing assets on a center when he's the undisputed best prospect at it since Duncan. You can't make this up.

Agreed!! Perfectly said!!

[baseline bum]

And now Victor has beaten Gobert alltime in games with 7+ blocks

[Atl Spur]

And now Victor has beaten Gobert alltime in games with 7+ blocks

That’s crazy as hell; the kid is out of control!

[Thomas82]

And now Victor has beaten Gobert alltime in games with 7+ blocks

Now that's just unbelievable!!

[spursparker9]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWskt1mFnIM

[Seventyniner]

DPOY, like any other media award, is heavily influenced by narrative. The pro Wemby narrative is building.

[Pauleta14]

Shaq is really hurting Bol Bol woth his narrative, putting unnecessary expectation on a kid that needs a lot of development bc of AAU bb

[Pauleta14]

DPOY, like any other media award, is heavily influenced by narrative. The pro Wemby narrative is building.

Among NBA fans clearly, but the voters are trapped in an absurd dogma that leads to many journalists self censoring themselves bc of profesional perception.

A few like Russilo or Windhorst were ridiculed by their colleagues when they only suggested the idea of voting for Victor.

It won't happen I'm afraid, but fans will remember it the same way we remember Melo was the real ROY not Lebron

[Tyronn Lue]

Shaq is really hurting Bol Bol woth his narrative, putting unnecessary expectation on a kid that needs a lot of development bc of AAU bb
Maybe he needs the pressure to improve his game instead of relying on his stature and name.

[Pauleta14]

Maybe he needs the pressure to improve his game instead of relying on his stature and name.

Sure he does, just not publicly

It too simplistic and disrespectfull to label Bol Bol as being lazy, it's going to stick with him

[Tyronn Lue]

Sure he does, just not publicly

It too simplistic and disrespectfull to label Bol Bol as being lazy, it's going to stick with him
Who called him lazy? I don't think anyone gives Bol Bol a second thought if Shaq doesn't make the comments. Instead you have a lot of people looking at Bol Bol's highlights to see if Shaq is right.

[Pauleta14]

Who called him lazy? I don't think anyone gives Bol Bol a second thought if Shaq doesn't make the comments. Instead you have a lot of people looking at Bol Bol's highlights to see if Shaq is right.

Shaq keeps repeating the same narrative to justify his comparison with Wemby

Basically laziness is the only reason Bol Bil isn't at his level

First it's stupidly simplistic, 2nd it attaches "lazy" to his name bc ppl know Shaq has known him since he's a child

[Tyronn Lue]

Maybe Shaq knows he's lazy. It's obvious though that Shaq doesn't have an objective POV.

[TD 21]

O'Neal bringing up Bol every time Wembanyama is being discussed isn't because he's supposedly known him since childhood so much as it (always) is his pettiness and insecurity with other great big men.

Anyone who has a chance to become considered greater or he perceives as much, he constantly downplays and disrespects.

[NASpurs]

2023-24 NBA Awards: Will Nikola Jokic Win MVP Again? - The Ringer

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2024/4/11/24126870/nba-awards-2024-mvp-nikola-jokic-luka-doncic

Great case for Wemby for DPOY

[Arcadian]

At least with the MVP award, there is a bias to "spread it around" and give it to a new recipient rather than always awarding the same player. For example, they chose Embiid over Jokic last year largely due to "voter fatigue."

Does the same bias not exist with DPOY? Because if it does, voters should have fatigue with Gobert. That might be one factor working in VW's favor.

[Pauleta14]

At least with the MVP award, there is a bias to "spread it around" and give it to a new recipient rather than always awarding the same player. For example, they chose Embiid over Jokic last year largely due to "voter fatigue."

Does the same bias not exist with DPOY? Because if it does, voters should have fatigue with Gobert. That might be one factor working in VW's favor.

Long stoy short, the vast majority of fans, any players or coaches asked about think it's obvious Wemby is the DPOY.

Some journalists (Russilo Windhorst and others) have been "trying" to push for it as well, but every time they do it, you can see how defensive they are bc of the dogma in their profesion about the importance of team results in an .... individual award.

Because of that there's a +80% chance Wemby won't get it

[spurraider21]

At least with the MVP award, there is a bias to "spread it around" and give it to a new recipient rather than always awarding the same player. For example, they chose Embiid over Jokic last year largely due to "voter fatigue."

Does the same bias not exist with DPOY? Because if it does, voters should have fatigue with Gobert. That might be one factor working in VW's favor.
gobert has won it once in the last 4 years, so i dont think it will factor in much

last year philly also had a better record than denver, embiid was the scoring champ and a better defensive presence than jokic, so arguments were there

i think wemby is a worthy candidate but i believe gobert will be the runaway winner

[Spurs Homer]

It seems like nba has it all backward...

Gobert has much better defenders all around him and this makes his job easier and he had a good season...

Victor has garbage players all around him - making his job twice as hard and Victor had a historic great season...

Victor has beat Gobert in every statistical department - DESPITE having zero help.

No brainer.

edit -

add this also: This "victor will in it a bunch of times" is so wrong and arrogant as we dont know what could happen in the future - so just throwing a couple of these away is just absurd IMO.

[Pauleta14]

Add Garnett and Pierce as lobbists for Wemby DPOY

But who cares about ppl who actually played the game...

[JPB]

Wemby for MIP, tbh.

[slick'81]

Wembys gonna own this award as long as he wants

[Brazil]

I don't think most players would have a problem with Victor getting the DPOY, unless that player is in the talks for it themselves. I've never seen a player affect the decisions of the other teams' entire offense just by being on the court. Even greats like Kawhi wouldn't do that, since they were mostly 1:1 defenders with ability to help.

Kawhi is still the most impactful defensive player of the NBA in terms of points differential, Victor being second. When locked up Kawhi is still a beast, hopefully he will as usual break his legs but when healthy, Kawhi is a defensive monster

[Brazil]

Shaq keeps repeating the same narrative to justify his comparison with Wemby

Basically laziness is the only reason Bol Bil isn't at his level

First it's stupidly simplistic, 2nd it attaches "lazy" to his name bc ppl know Shaq has known him since he's a child

Shaq is joking around with Bol Bol, he knows his beginning of the year take was shit, he is just now playing along

[exstatic]

Shaq is joking around with Bol Bol, he knows his beginning of the year take was shit, he is just now playing along

Well, considering how long it took him to own the DRob lie, don’t hold your breath waiting for him to come correct with this.

[Pauleta14]

Shaq is joking around with Bol Bol, he knows his beginning of the year take was shit, he is just now playing along

I know. Nobody ever took him seriously anyways

But his running joke has attached "lazy" to Bol Bol's name. It's so unnecessary espacially if you're supposed to be close to the kid.