Edey or Clingan?

[Knoxxx]

Who would fit better with Wembles?

[CorrectCrusader]

Clingan will be the better NBA player

[Knoxxx]

Clingan will be the better NBA player

That’s the conventional wisdom but Edey is the better monster head to head so far. Neither stretches the floor, one of the main knocks.

I like the idea of completely closing off the paint with a larger version of our twin towers. And forcing teams to adapt to us, not the other way around.

[MultiTroll]

Is this a Star Trek question?

[Spurs Homer]

Who would fit better with Wembles?


:pop: “Neither, we have Zollins , who is a true professional”

[DPG21920]

Spurs would be absolutely moronic to take a center in this draft or any draft (unless they were like Jokic or Embiid level good) where they have a lottery pick.

[MultiTroll]

I've only been watching 2 minutes but UCon Ref is strong.

[MultiTroll]

Clingon is a whiney bitch who wants every single call to go his way.

Even tho he's already getting bogus calls.

[AusSpur]

Unless you want to base your whole offense around Edey back downs and baby hooks, I would stay away as an NBA team.

[mudd]

If they wanted a center they would have drafted sungun but we wanted the flasher

[DAF86]

Neither. Everytime a Spurs fan proposes to get a center in the draft with a lottery pick, an angel dies of AIDS.

[DPG21920]

It’s simple: now that you know putting Wemby at Center turns him into prime Wilt Chamberlain :lol you simply cannot waste pristine draft captial on centers that you can readily sign in free agency for relatively low cost.

Makes zero sense unless again you think the player is like Embiid/Jokic level.

[Uriel]

Anyone else see parallels between this UConn squad and the 2014 Spurs (motion offense, depth, etc)?

[MultiTroll]

Anyone else see parallels between this UConn squad and the 2014 Spurs (motion offense, depth, etc)?
More like Purdues defense is super lame imo + earlier in the game UConnRef let them get away with a lot of fouling. Which they did not let Purdue do.

But props to UConn on the motion. Like how they make passes very quickly and keep the D moving. Your point taken.

[BacktoBasics]

Neither of these guys should be a draft consideration for us but Edey has an Adams toughness around him that might translate to a respectable nba career.

[baseline bum]

Neither. Everytime a Spurs fan proposes to get a center in the draft with a lottery pick, an angel dies of AIDS.

I mean I'd be fine with taking a center if there was a David Robinson or a Tim Duncan or a Hakeem Olajuwon since you could just make that work on talent, but not these fucking centers or really any other center who isn't a no-brainer franchise player.

[Chinook]

Assuming both players are able to basically be these same players in the NBA, I would love the Spurs to draft Edey. The team should be able to carve out a 14-20 MPG role for a gifted backup center. For example, Collins has averaged 18.4 MPG since the ASB. Wemby is still learning to control his energy level and improve his conditioning. He may well have stamina issues after playing overseas this summer. I'm not penciling him in to play 40 minutes a night. So if you can have those Wemby-less minutes go to a different kind of dominant center, it seems like a win-win.

I also think the Spurs should remain flexible on Wemby's development and allow him to play with different types of talent rather than trying to force him to into a role as the centerpiece on a "contending" roster. He's not going to be hurt by playing off a second strong inside presence for a few minutes a night. And if it works, then the team should be open to playing them together more, even if the pair wouldn't work for a contending roster. Adding talent and enjoying that talent matters more than team-building at this stage.

Then of course, if you draft Edey, and he's the BPA who showed he can dominate in the NBA but just isn't the ideal partner for Wemby, you can package him as the centerpiece of a deal for a star in a way that you can't for nebulous future picks. It would be like Fox and Haliburton, where even if Edey goes and blows up, you got something back that helps the team take the next step. You don't take him first overall with the hopes of flipping him for a borderline All-Star a few years later, but if we're talking about the middle or end of the lottery or lower, it'd be a steal and a better step to contending than just taking a wing you hope fits the team you hope the team turns into.

Of course I'm assuming the Edey translates and develops here, and if the Spurs don't think he will do that, his grade is much lower. His ability to shoot is going to determine his upside in a league where no player can just hang out under the basket. But this is what I was talking about in terms of BPA. If you think Edey is the best player, take him and let everything else sort itself out. You don't build linearly. They aren't a contender looking to fill holes in their rotation. What the Spurs will be in three years is completely up in the air, and the team should draft like it. Give Wemby the flexibility to carve out his spot in the NBA. Be open to the team having multiple looks over the next couple of seasons. Don't get too attached to the non-Wemby guys. I don't think the Spurs should start overlooking red flags like some posters have suggested. I'm just saying I'd rather have talented players who have flaws than less talented players should might become good role-players. That calculation will change with the team's outlook, but their outlook has no reason to change at this point.

[poopbox]

Neither one of these back to the basket stiffs are going to do much at the nba level. Maybe if the year was 1994 instead of 2024

[rascal]

More like Purdues defense is super lame imo + earlier in the game UConnRef let them get away with a lot of fouling. Which they did not let Purdue do.

But props to UConn on the motion. Like how they make passes very quickly and keep the D moving. Your point taken.

Stop it

They let Edey throw elbows to clear space all game long.

[dbestpro]

Stop it

They let Edey throw elbows to clear space all game long.

lol. Not even. UConn is the better team. Edey is the better center. It also shows how poor the college game has gotten and why Euro players eat up the draft.

[Pauleta14]

Anyone else see parallels between this UConn squad and the 2014 Spurs (motion offense, depth, etc)?

To a certain degree yes but '14 Spurs were also loaded with special individual talents that made it possible.

I don't see a lot of individual talents at UConn tbh

[Pauleta14]

Drafting Edey would make zero sense for the Spurs who need mobility, playmaking, passing or shooting

It make no sense to suddenly change the whole style of bb just for a 20min limited back up center...

[Dejounte]

Drafting Edey would make zero sense for the Spurs who need mobility, playmaking, passing or shooting

It make no sense to suddenly change the whole style of bb just for a 20min limited back up center...

Exactly this. There has to be a sense of progression. This finally allowed the team to find an identity with Wemby as the focal point. Why reset that?

[stnick2261]

I posted that I was all for Edey (as well as Kolek and Dillon Jones), but that was when he was expected to be available for our 2nd round pick. I still think he's be great rim protector during the few minutes that Wemby sits, but I wouldn't want to use any better draft pick to get him.

[mo7888]

I posted that I was all for Edey (as well as Kolek and Dillon Jones), but that was when he was expected to be available for our 2nd round pick. I still think he's be great rim protector during the few minutes that Wemby sits, but I wouldn't want to use any better draft pick to get him.

I think that's the key here....where do you take an Edey? Like i agree with Dejounte/Pauleta that it would make zero sense to draft him, but I'm assuming that we're talking about a lottery pick. If we found ourselves in the 20's by trading down or up then I think it makes sense to draft a backup big...

[MultiTroll]

I think no way Edey lasts beyond the 1st Round. Walker Kessler was taken by Jazz 22nd overall last summer.

Some team will gamble on his size and relative talent in the 1R if not Lotto.

2R i would have no problem with Spurs grabbing. I wish we would have taken Walker Kessler in last season by trading up but i get keeping high picks available for future GNob or Parker.

[scott]

I think Clingan would make a nice backup C (as would Filipowski). I wouldn't want to use a top-10 pick on a player I project as a backup, but people are talking about taking Knecht with the TOR pick, and most of these guys are only going to be role players anyway...

[Knoxxx]

I think that's the key here....where do you take an Edey? Like i agree with Dejounte/Pauleta that it would make zero sense to draft him, but I'm assuming that we're talking about a lottery pick. If we found ourselves in the 20's by trading down or up then I think it makes sense to draft a backup big...

It is hard to believe posters still ignore that teams are allowed to trade up or down in the draft. The simple-minded view is we can't take Edey at 20 because we are picking higher and lower than that.

[MultiTroll]

Does Edey fit in with Wemby Spurs long term?

Yes or No?

[DAF86]

It is hard to believe posters still ignore that teams are allowed to trade up or down in the draft. The simple-minded view is we can't take Edey at 20 because we are picking higher and lower than that.

Why would you want to sign Edey, though? A stiff that wouldn't be able to play more than spot up minutes because he would be exposed on defense and that needs to be fed consistently to not be a complete non-factor on the offensive side of the ball? Boban was a more talented version of him and he could never be anything more than a third string freak show for garbage time.

[Trill Clinton]

Edey would be a top 5 pick in the 90s. He's too 1 dimensional and slow to be an impact player in today's game.

[MultiTroll]

I think Clingan would make a nice backup C (as would Filipowski). I wouldn't want to use a top-10 pick on a player I project as a backup, but people are talking about taking Knecht with the TOR pick, and most of these guys are only going to be role players anyway...
And Wama needs a backup Center.
When Wama is on the bench, he is the type that is still into the game 100%. He needs a Center who is competent so he can truly get a rest both mental and physical.

I remember the labored, tired, overtaxed look on Timmy Duncans face when Popped forced him to hold down the paint in 2008-11 with a bunch of stiffs including Matty Bonner at Power Forward. Blair brought some tremendous relief for a season (really he did, look up the stats haters) but it was a given his knees were only going to last a short window period.

Man From Nazer was run out of town by Popped. He provided some great muscle in 2006 before idiot Pop benched him for the season losing series vs Mavs.

Wemby needs some muscle when both playing and on the bench.
Fucking Pop will probably sign Bryn Forbes to play power forward.

[scott]

And Wama needs a backup Center.
When Wama is on the bench, he is the type that is still into the game 100%. He needs a Center who is competent so he can truly get a rest both mental and physical.

I remember the labored, tired, overtaxed look on Timmy Duncans face when Popped forced him to hold down the paint in 2008-11 with a bunch of stiffs including Matty Bonner at Power Forward. Blair brought some tremendous relief for a season (really he did, look up the stats haters) but it was a given his knees were only going to last a short window period.

Man From Nazer was run out of town by Popped. He provided some great muscle in 2006 before idiot Pop benched him for the season losing series vs Mavs.

Wemby needs some muscle when both playing and on the bench.
Fucking Pop will probably sign Bryn Forbes to play power forward.

Really important point. Back ups and role players are important too. Are we worse off taking a guy with an 80% chance to be a solid backup C than we are taking some project PG or SF who has a 20% chance of being a starting caliber NBA player one day (for example)? Collins's contract throws a little bit of a wrench into things though... it is tough to draft your backup C when you're already paying a guy $35MM for that.

[DAF86]

Really important point. Back ups and role players are important too. Are we worse off taking a guy with an 80% chance to be a solid backup C than we are taking some project PG or SF who has a 20% chance of being a starting caliber NBA player one day (for example)? Collins's contract throws a little bit of a wrench into things though... it is tough to draft your backup C when you're already paying a guy $35MM for that.

Edey has like a 90% chance of being out of the league by year 3, though.

[exstatic]

Edey has like a 90% chance of being out of the league by year 3, though.

Nah. He’ll have a decent career creating bench mismatches. Look how long Boban has lasted. That being said,you don’t want to overreach for a bench player.

[spurraider21]

Nah. He’ll have a decent career creating bench mismatches. Look how long Boban has lasted. That being said,you don’t want to overreach for a bench player.
boban had exactly 1 season where he averaged 10 mpg

and boban has more skill offensively than edey has. edey has a nice jump hook with his right, but thats basically it.

[MultiTroll]

Boban we've been over this.
Was underused.
Finally got his big break and was going to fill in for injured Wemby.
Put up great stats as a starter in his first 2-3 games.
Got cheap shotted Zaza style.

Was never the same.

[Spurs Homer]

Boban we've been over this.
Was underused.
Finally got his big break and was going to fill in for injured Wemby.
Put up great stats as a starter in his first 2-3 games.
Got cheap shotted Zaza style.

Was never the same.


:pop:"Zollins will be taking over victors minutes while I experiment with victor coming off the bench - Zollins is a true pro and can ably hold the offense together while victor gets over himself!"

[spurraider21]

Boban we've been over this.
Was underused.
Finally got his big break and was going to fill in for injured Wemby.
Put up great stats as a starter in his first 2-3 games.
Got cheap shotted Zaza style.

Was never the same.
he was about as underused as jimmer

[Knoxxx]

Why would you want to sign Edey, though? A stiff that wouldn't be able to play more than spot up minutes because he would be exposed on defense and that needs to be fed consistently to not be a complete non-factor on the offensive side of the ball? Boban was a more talented version of him and he could never be anything more than a third string freak show for garbage time.

As soon as you compared him to Boban you lost. Edey just scored over 60% of his teams points in the national championship game.

Worst case he is a top backup center. Rules and strategy changes could make him much more than that. Also he has the possibility to share the floor with Wemby at times, due to Wembys extreme mobility and perimeter D.

[LeBowen]

As soon as you compared him to Boban you lost. Edey just scored over 60% of his teams points in the national championship game.

NCAA is not serious basketball.
You can find way better bigs in Euroleague and they aren't good enough for modern NBA game.


Worst case he is a top backup center. Rules and strategy changes could make him much more than that. Also he has the possibility to share the floor with Wemby at times, due to Wembys extreme mobility and perimeter D.

Wemby can play defense with anyone, but we really don't want to clog the paint on offense.
The only big I'd take to play together with Wemby is an elite shooter like KAT. (I wouldn't take KAT because of his contract, just to be clear.)

[jesterbobman]

I have Clingan a lot higher on my rough ordering in my head (calling it a board is a stretch). Roughly top 10 vs early 2nd (just think Eden will get murdered in the pick and roll, need help, other teams will rain threes).

We've seen the importance of competent back ups for starting centres, and how it can be a limiting factor - Embiid hasn't been perfect in the playoffs, but there's a lot of times of Philly dominating the Embiid minutes and getting killed without him (e.g, the Toronto series). With how poos this draft is, I wouldn't really be opposed to using a pick on a big if we get the Toronto pick.
We need the bench to hold ground, and an upgrade at back up centre for a clear game plan is one path. I think Clingan works really well in the bench construction of Centre / PG pick and roll / dribble handoffs, with surrounding shooters, and he's a fantastic defensive prospect. There are other ways to get that type of player (sign Hartenstein / Claxton, trade for Kessler), and other roster constructions (e.g, get DaRon Holmes in the early 2nd and play two bigs so you have better help with Collins hedging).

[rjv]

i'm okay with edey if he drops to the 2nd round (unlikely).

[scott]

Edey has like a 90% chance of being out of the league by year 3, though.

Yeah, I don't like Edey. In a previous post I mentioned Clingan and Filipowski. I would take Edey in Rd 2 if my other pet cats were gone, but not really interested in Gheorghe Muresan in 2024.

[DAF86]

As soon as you compared him to Boban you lost. Edey just scored over 60% of his teams points in the national championship game.

Worst case he is a top backup center. Rules and strategy changes could make him much more than that. Also he has the possibility to share the floor with Wemby at times, due to Wembys extreme mobility and perimeter D.

And Boban was the best center in Europe, a much better competition than college basketball.

[thiste]

Who would fit better with Wembles?

Neither. LeBron said it best in his latest podcast with Redick. NCAA basketball is a thing of the past, the NBA doesn't play like that anymore at all.
These two are old school type centers, they're never gonna be All-Star caliber players, more like Boban. That's why Edey is currently projected 35th in the draft.
Maybe Clingan will translate better, but what he would bring to the Spurs isn't worth the price he'd command.

If you watched last night's game and didn't realize the huge gap between these two and Victor, and why Victor is worth so much more, then I can't help you :)

[TD 21]

How does this thread differ from the likely offseason scenarios thread or the free agent signings thread? Seems like we have multiple threads on the same topic or just slight variations. And no, I am not a serial complainer about people starting bad threads, normally.

[Knoxxx]

Neither. LeBron said it best in his latest podcast with Redick. NCAA basketball is a thing of the past, the NBA doesn't play like that anymore at all.
These two are old school type centers, they're never gonna be All-Star caliber players, more like Boban. That's why Edey is currently projected 35th in the draft.
Maybe Clingan will translate better, but what he would bring to the Spurs isn't worth the price he'd command.

If you watched last night's game and didn't realize the huge gap between these two and Victor, and why Victor is worth so much more, then I can't help you :)

There is a point where your fingers should just stop typing, and your post lands with a thud upon the implication that anyone was comparing either of these two Cs to Wemby.

[Knoxxx]

"How does this thread differ from the likely offseason scenarios thread or the free agent signings thread? Seems like we have multiple threads on the same topic or just slight variations. And no, I am not a serial complainer about people starting bad threads, normally."

Haha, revenge is a dish best served cold. Better in life not to hold grudges, though. If that was your thread, the waiting for who, that was very not different, but a specific thread is different. Now you now. :p:

[jjspur]

A team like Philly, NY, or Boston will Take Edey or Clingan simply as insurance just in case their center goes down or is resting. which happens a lot. Best case scenario is they become skilled backups who play spot minutes, or are backups to the backup centers. Even with their old school game, they will be 1st round picks, I have no doubt. They both elevated their game in this tournament and that is enough to convince some GM to select them. The question now becomes, are either of these two guys better than our current backup center ? The answer for some team will be yes.

[CorrectCrusader]

Edeys 7'10 wingspan is interesting. It would be nice if he could slim up a little bit and get more mobility, but I'm not sure that's in the cards.

[cutewizard]

Kai Sottooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo to the Spurs

what if

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FhtoadNNNU

[venitian navigator]

Once we've all realized that Edey has dominated a top 10 pick with some size we should also have realized that he's probably gonna do the same also against the nba bigs... And his body seems to react well at extended minutes. Imho there are not a lot of players actually that can give you a 2 point percentage like the one Edey is projectanle of... Because it's clear that his combination of height, weight and size makes him practically unstoppable in the paint from quite any nba center... And talking about switching, once he's there there's no way an nba power forward (ecccept maybe antetokumpo) can defend him. I'm all on for drafting him if we have 2 lottery picks... Because I don't see in this draft any player clearly better than him and because we actually already have the personnel to play with him (help defenders like Wemby, Sochan and Vassell are perfect for that)..

[Big Empty]

Spurs have a shot to create a mismatch inside drafting Edey. Teams would be forced to adapt to our new twin towers. They can take their 40% 3 point clunks and eat a d$&k. Edey & Wemby would have a 75% fg percentage close to the rim.

[CorrectCrusader]

Spurs have a shot to create a mismatch inside drafting Edey. Teams would be forced to adapt to our new twin towers. They can take their 40% 3 point clunks and eat a d$&k. Edey & Wemby would have a 75% fg percentage close to the rim.

That spacing with Tre Jones and Sochan, nasty

[JPB]

If you want to draft a big, the question should be Edey, Clingan or Sarr, I suppose.

[rascal]

If you want to draft a big, the question should be Edey, Clingan or Sarr, I suppose.

Sarr will go 1st overall and unless the spurs get the top pick which isn't likely they aren't going to be able to draft Sarr.

Clingan and Edey will be available with the Spurs pick most likely.

[DAF86]

I just saw Luke Garza is the 15th man on the Wolves, even with KAT injured. That's what happens to dominant college stiffs in the NBA, tbh. Garza can't sniff playing time even though he has a three point shot, something these two guys don't have.

[venitian navigator]

I just saw Luke Garza is the 15th man on the Wolves, even with KAT injured. That's what happens to dominant college stiffs in the NBA, tbh. Garza can't sniff playing time even though he has a three point shot, something these two guys don't have.
Garza has just a decent 3 point shot but he never had the interior dominance that Edey has shown for 2 seasons in a row... And that's explicable having less height (16 cm less), weight (20 kg less) and size. Nor he had 2 times best ncaa player of the year award nor the ncaa career on the march madness. You seem Tu underestimate to the maximum level what a big freak like Edey can do at any level of adequately used... And with a player like Wemby you can be sure he would be adequately served on the paint for the dimple reason that the pass will came from an height that very few people in the league can reach (also if they jump).

[DAF86]

Garza has just a decent 3 point shot but he never had the interior dominance that Edey has shown for 2 seasons in a row... And that's explicable having less height (16 cm less), weight (20 kg less) and size. Nor he had 2 times best ncaa player of the year award nor the ncaa career on the march madness. You seem Tu underestimate to the maximum level what a big freak like Edey can do at any level of adequately used... And with a player like Wemby you can be sure he would be adequately served on the paint for the dimple reason that the pass will came from an height that very few people in the league can reach (also if they jump).

I saw it with Boban, a much bigger, much more skilled player than Edey. It doesn't work in today's NBA.

[exstatic]

Once we've all realized that Edey has dominated a top 10 pick with some size we should also have realized that he's probably gonna do the same also against the nba bigs... And his body seems to react well at extended minutes. Imho there are not a lot of players actually that can give you a 2 point percentage like the one Edey is projectanle of... Because it's clear that his combination of height, weight and size makes him practically unstoppable in the paint from quite any nba center... And talking about switching, once he's there there's no way an nba power forward (ecccept maybe antetokumpo) can defend him. I'm all on for drafting him if we have 2 lottery picks... Because I don't see in this draft any player clearly better than him and because we actually already have the personnel to play with him (help defenders like Wemby, Sochan and Vassell are perfect for that)..

Two pointers as your weapon loses games. You guys are ALL only looking at the offensive side of the ball. They’ll put him in the pick and roll,switch him, and destroy him with the 3 ball. If Clint Capela, one of the bounciest most athletic centers in the league can get played off the floor in the playoffs so badly that his team salary dumped him as a result, Edey would have no chance.

[rjv]

hell, i'm not even sure how edey would fit on the offensive side of the ball. i mean, he's gonna clog up the paint. and he'd be a bad fit with wemby. wemby needs an athletic and agile big next to him, not a burly center who would spend his time in the blocks.

[LeBowen]

hell, i'm not even how edey would fit on the offensive side of the ball. i mean, he's gonna clog up the paint. and he'd be a bad fit with wemby. wemby needs an athletic and agile big next to him, not a burly center who would spend his time in the blocks.

I'd really like for people who think we should get another big next to Wemby to explain their takes.
Wemby is a rookie and he's already proven he's good enough to match up with these few elite bigs that the league has. He doesn't need a bruiser alongside him to play those matchups.

And offensive end is self-explnatory. Zero need for a big whatsoever if we have Wemby.
Another big would just make it easy for opposition bigs.

There are two ways to build around Wemby.
Either stock up on 3-D wings and get an elite playmaker that's going to run everything and share the ball with Wemby. (easier route)
Or get multiple all-round perimeter players who can share the ball and playmake without taking too much away from their teammates. (way more difficult to find such players)

[Tyronn Lue]

Spurs need a couple real 3 and D guys and their top priority should be getting a real PG. These guys cannot even walk the ball up the floor without turning it over, can't see the floor, don't understand passing lanes and spatial relationships well enough to be effective.

[Knoxxx]

Two pointers as your weapon loses games. You guys are ALL only looking at the offensive side of the ball. They’ll put him in the pick and roll,switch him, and destroy him with the 3 ball. If Clint Capela, one of the bounciest most athletic centers in the league can get played off the floor in the playoffs so badly that his team salary dumped him as a result, Edey would have no chance.

That's fairly generic, conventional wisdom analysis, I'll give you that.

[exstatic]

That's fairly generic, conventional wisdom analysis, I'll give you that.

You think other teams never thought about doubling down with post bigs to punish small lineups? Like for years after the 2015 defensive rule changes?

[heyheymymy]

NBA refs won't allow these giants to operate and star whistle merchants like SGA and Luka will gameplan to deliberately drive into the heart of Edey or Clingan and draw fouls on them and the refs will reward them so it's 2 quick ones and your giant is on the bench until second half.

Bogut got played off the court for the Warriors and seems like a turning point where bigs have since been diminished in the league. Teams will go small and run on him and expose him. Non stretch bigs are too hyper specialized imho. Now in the second round maybe that's a value. If you wanted to refresh the Bassey mins.

[spurraider21]

people still think SGA is a free throw merchant? :lol

its just statistically untrue

[pad300]

I saw it with Boban, a much bigger, much more skilled player than Edey. It doesn't work in today's NBA.

Ok, it is certain that Boban is not bigger than Edey, they are roughly tied.

Boban 7'4" (with shoes), 7'10" Wingspan, 290 lbs
Edey 7'3.25" (no shoes), 7'10.5" Wingspan, 306 lbs (as of last draft camp)

Skill might favor Boban, but Edey might be closer than many think. Coming into the NBA, Boban averaged 1.14 a/g with 1.22 to/g in his last season with KK Crvena Zvezda. Edey senior season with Purdue: 2.03 a/g and 2.31 to/g. The ratio are pretty close.

The really big difference appears to be stamina: Boban was averaging 22 mpg, Edey averaged 32 mpg (neither had any significant fouls issues). And stamina has been a significant issue for Boban in the league; he can get run off the floor.

[heyheymymy]

people still think SGA is a free throw merchant? :lol

its just statistically untrue

SGA statistically leads the 23-24 league in FTM and is second in the 23-24 league in FTA. I'm literally just going by stat truth but suppose I'm open to the argumental stat interpretation on what percentage of those free throws were sought or valid. Eye test on SGA this season there were a lot of bailouts but that's just spectator anecdotal. You know SGA has the reputation so arguing if it's warranted is another thing altogether though I'd welcome a supported counter stance.

Giannis is another one I'd say disproportionately seeks a whistle imho if you want to substitute examples lol.

[spurraider21]

SGA statistically leads the 23-24 league in FTM and is second in the 23-24 league in FTA. I'm literally just going by stat truth but suppose I'm open to the argumental stat interpretation on what percentage of those free throws were sought or valid. Eye test on SGA this season there were a lot of bailouts but that's just spectator anecdotal. You know SGA has the reputation so arguing if it's warranted is another thing altogether though I'd welcome a supported counter stance.

Giannis is another one I'd say disproportionately seeks a whistle imho if you want to substitute examples lol.
SGA drives a lot


SGA doesn’t crack the top 10 in foul rate on drives, but leads all guards in layup attempts

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[heyheymymy]

I could see that, thanks for the data/interpretation

Still say some of the whistles feel like gimmie/star treatment to a degree but you drive more frequently you oughta get rewarded and it may come in proportional volume

[The Truth #6]

You can draft Edey with the SRP IF he's there and figure out if he's worth a contract later. Probably won't be still be there at 33, so I wouldn't sweat it. Edey is an interesting counterpoint in style for when VW sits. But how much of a liability would he be? Interesting question.