Grades: Spurs vs. Nuggets - Apr. 12, 2024

[timvp]

https://www.spurstalk.com/2024-spurs-nuggets-grades-81/

[onechance87]

granham should of been playing over branham all season and maybe even tre jones.

[GB20]

Thank you for the grades Timvp.

[Maddog]

https://www.spurstalk.com/2024-spurs-nuggets-grades-81/



Duke is clearly the most developed of that clan.
David Duke? clan? Yikes!

I always felt sorry for this guys name....


granham should of been playing over branham all season and maybe even tre jones.

Well depends on your goals

[John B]

Classic Spurs win! Reminds me of how championship Spurs still won regardless who was on the court! Everybody was giving their best efforts. It’s hard not to be excited what Wemby would become. The kid has that MJ “it” on him. He’s confident and shines brighter under pressure. He’s not the least intimidated by the pressure playing against the reigning MVP nor the NBA champions. It’s hard to believe he’s only 20. Damn!

Mamu has got to be back and with more significant minutes next season. The way Wemby talked about being excited playing alongside him, hmmm.

I like Champ better tonight. Those dunks reminded me of CoJo’s poster dunk on Serge Ibaka. I think he helped energized the crowd and the team tonight.

Collins was solid as the backup C tonight. I think that’s the best we could hope for him. People calling to trade him is crazy. Collins as a backup C is solid. He plays with passion and never hang his head down, just continues to work hard and even after a long drought. He just works hard. Likewise Wesley. He might’ve not played well tonight but another guy who doesn’t moped in the corner. He continues to work hard on his defense. People forget he’s just turned 21 and on his 2nd year.

if those 2 shots by Graham didn’t sink, people would be asking for his head! What was he thinking taking those shots and not passing to Wemby?? Wtf

But closing on a good note. Fucking Wemby is the real deal. This kid can’t wait to win. We knew he’s going to be good, but not this early. He’s so thin and needs 3-4 years to develop. Yes he will get even more stronger and will get even more dominant. The FATFO better not waste this off-season. Because Wemby is ready to win now.

[Pauleta14]

Thx Timvp!

I don't get the concept of good games that "could carry forward into next season" tho, it reminds me the Sochan experiment lol

Different season different story and too many non NBA players in this roster. Last season players didn't carry anything into this season

[CGD]

^ Spurs have won 6 of their last 10 games, and, with the exception of the OKC game, played tough in the loses. Definitely think there is something to build on for next season, even if just the internal growth of Vic. This isn’t the same thing as saying everyone on the team will be back or that this configuration for players will make the playoffs.

[Pauleta14]

^ Spurs have won 6 of their last 10 games, and, with the exception of the OKC game, played tough in the loses. Definitely think there is something to build on for next season, even if just the internal growth of Vic. This isn’t the same thing as saying everyone on the team will be back or that this configuration for players will make the playoffs.

The same thing was said last summer and what happened? The core whom developement so many were excited to see were worse to start the season

I could get the logic if the Spurs already had the core to build on, but it's far from the case, at best Wemby + Vassell are starters

Sochan too small to play PF and can't shoot or handle the ball well enough to play SF

Tre overachieving undersized PG who can't pass the ball to Victor (he's litterally gotten worse at it through out the season :lol)

Keldon, great heart but absurd low BBIQ

Brahman Collins Champagnie... WTF :lol

I hope PATFO or some of you don't get fooled by recency bias

[Dejounte]

The same thing was said last summer and what happened? The core whom developement so many were excited to see were worse to start the season

I could get the logic if the Spurs already had the core to build on, but it's far from the case, at best Wemby + Vassell are starters

Sochan too small to play PF and can't shoot or handle the ball well enough to play SF

Tre overachieving undersized PG who can't pass the ball to Victor (he's litterally gotten worse at it through out the season :lol)

Keldon, great heart but absurd low BBIQ

Brahman Collins Champagnie... WTF :lol

I hope PATFO or some of you don't get fooled by recency bias

PATFO was going to do what they planned regardless. And as stated in another topic, their main objective through decades is continuity. The roster is likely to be 70%-80% the same next year. That means 9-12 guys will be back next year. There is no fantasy overhaul coming that some fans are hoping for.

also, I think people misinterpret what a core is to the Spurs. I think it doesn’t have to be in a sense where a core is your top talent. It could be your 6th man talent that could be here for many years on a friendly contract. Guys like Tre and Champagnie could be considered “core” but not players you build around— just guys who are there for better players to compete with and for them to lead the team to a baseline performance to keep the team from bottoming out. There has to be role players on the team that raise the team’s floor at all times, period. Not every guy in the rotation has to be a top end talent. I bet everyone forgets who Christian Braun is from time to time, but he’s a bench player on the Nuggets and plays a key role. There’s guys like that on every team who are “forgettable” yet play important roles on and off the court.

[Mugen]

Mamu not sniffing rotation minutes (even 5-10 a game) during a season they won 21 games is coaching malpractice. So bad :lol

[Mugen]

The same thing was said last summer and what happened? The core whom developement so many were excited to see were worse to start the season

I could get the logic if the Spurs already had the core to build on, but it's far from the case, at best Wemby + Vassell are starters

Sochan too small to play PF and can't shoot or handle the ball well enough to play SF

Tre overachieving undersized PG who can't pass the ball to Victor (he's litterally gotten worse at it through out the season :lol)

Keldon, great heart but absurd low BBIQ

Brahman Collins Champagnie... WTF :lol

I hope PATFO or some of you don't get fooled by recency bias

Devin is obviously a keeper. Tre is a good backup PG at a good contract and should be kept.

I don't understand people's hate boner for Sochan when this was his 2nd year (people wrote off Devin at the end of his 2nd year as well :lol) and his biggest flaw this season was that his coach played him at out of position for a 1/3 of the year.

I'm not losing a wink of sleep if we lose anybody else though :lol

[Mugen]

Some additional thoughts:

-Thank god the old man didn't call a TO before that Graham game winner because we definitely would have lost
-Sidy should have gotten playing time about 10-15 games ago
-What a huge whiff by the Sniff Crew on Graham/Mamu this year. I guess the CIA Pop tanking is the narrative but I think it just comes down to coaching malpractice
-Always nice to dad dick Denver when the games matter tbh

[Pauleta14]

Devin is obviously a keeper. Tre is a good backup PG at a good contract and should be kept.

I don't understand people's hate boner for Sochan when this was his 2nd year (people wrote off Devin at the end of his 2nd year as well :lol) and his biggest flaw this season was that his coach played him at out of position for a 1/3 of the year.

I'm not losing a wink of sleep if we lose anybody else though :lol

No hate at all from me

I had a bad impression of him from the start but waited bc so many of you were praising his potential (I stoped following NBA since the bubble and didn't watch the previous season)

I admit he has something special with his grit and willigness to defend, his agressivity etc

But the balance between what he brings and costs has to be taken into account no?

I'd not try to get rid of him bc of his age and contract, but I'd challenge him to the bench until he improves his court visison, ball handling, passing and more importantly shooting.

Next season Spurs will start bein taken seriously and contrary to the last 2 will be scouted and teams will exploit match up to compensate what Wemby does to them.

Ime has already shown the blue print, it's not rocket science

As for Devin, he has a real elite role player potential once we get a proper starting NBA PG and has shown the most improvement in the roster after Victor, even becoming a better passer than Tre, so he's akeeper for now but the idea of involving him in a trade isn't absurd considering whatver team we trade with will want some value in return and Devin has the highest after Victor.

[Mugen]

No hate at all from me

I had a bad impression of him from the start but waited bc so many of you were praising his potential (I stoped following NBA since the bubble and didn't watch the previous season)

I admit he has something special with his grit and willigness to defend, his agressivity etc

But the balance between what he brings and costs has to be taken into account no?

I'd not try to get rid of him bc of his age and contract, but I'd challenge him to the bench until he improves his court visison, ball handling, passing and more importantly shooting.

Next season Spurs will start bein taken seriously and contrary to the last 2 will be scouted and teams will exploit match up to compensate what Wemby does to them.

Ime has already shown the blue print, it's not rocket science

As for Devin, he has a real elite role player potential once we get a proper starting NBA PG and has shown the most improvement in the roster after Victor, even becoming a better passer than Tre, so he's akeeper for now but the idea of involving him in a trade isn't absurd considering whatver team we trade with will want some value in return and Devin has the highest after Victor.

I just fundamentally disagree with the notion that Sochan is too small to play PF next to Wemby. I think he's pretty much the perfect size for a frontcourt partner next to Wemby in the modern nba.

His shooting is still obviously suspect but that was a known question mark coming into the league and he's shown marked improvements in both FT and 3pt shooting (even if it's still below average).

I don't think he has All Star potential or even a Draymond ceiling but I think he's a core piece to keep going forward especially since he's only 20yo and has only been in the league for 2 years.

We've seen very real jumps from Year 2 > 3 from Devin and guys like Jalen Johson & Jalen Suggs. I haven't seen anything to dissuade me from thinking that Sochan can't have a similar progression next season tbh.

[Splits]

wtf why are we winning?

[Mugen]

wtf why are we winning?

You really sweating ping pong balls in this trash ass draft? :lol

[Pauleta14]

I just fundamentally disagree with the notion that Sochan is too small to play PF next to Wemby. I think he's pretty much the perfect size for a frontcourt partner next to Wemby in the modern nba.

His shooting is still obviously suspect but that was a known question mark coming into the league and he's shown marked improvements in both FT and 3pt shooting (even if it's still below average).

I don't think he has All Star potential or even a Draymond ceiling but I think he's a core piece to keep going forward especially since he's only 20yo and has only been in the league for 2 years.

We've seen very real jumps from Year 2 > 3 from Devin and guys like Jalen Johson & Jalen Suggs. I haven't seen anything to dissuade me from thinking that Sochan can't have a similar progression next season tbh.

As I said I'm not willing to trade him and still on "wait and see" mode. I'd love to be wrong

But he struggled a lot this season with some PF match ups, and Ime has shown how to make him a liability.

I don't see how going to the bench and having to fight for a starting spot wouldn't be beneficial for him and the team

[TheChillFactor]

This brings me no great joy to say but we don’t win this game with Devin-Sochan-Keldon

we were rolling bc everyone was moving and playing off wemby. How many dumb contested iso shots (devin) or head down drives to the rim with no plan (keldon) or driving into a crowd to throw up some bs or turn the ball over (sochan) did you see last night?

if the point of this season was to see what fits best with wemby its clear that smart players who move without the ball are what we need.

[onechance87]

This brings me no great joy to say but we don’t win this game with Devin-Sochan-Keldon

we were rolling bc everyone was moving and playing off wemby. How many dumb contested iso shots (devin) or head down drives to the rim with no plan (keldon) or driving into a crowd to throw up some bs or turn the ball over (sochan) did you see last night?

if the point of this season was to see what fits best with wemby its clear that smart players who move without the ball are what we need.

agreed

[itzsoweezee]

This brings me no great joy to say but we don’t win this game with Devin-Sochan-Keldon

we were rolling bc everyone was moving and playing off wemby. How many dumb contested iso shots (devin) or head down drives to the rim with no plan (keldon) or driving into a crowd to throw up some bs or turn the ball over (sochan) did you see last night?

if the point of this season was to see what fits best with wemby its clear that smart players who move without the ball are what we need.

This is exactly it. The spurs did not take into account players’ fit next to wemby all season, and it was a huge mistake. We can’t have another lost season next year with that nonsense.

[lefty]

Thank you for the grades Timvp.
You are very welcome

[Chinook]

When the Spurs beat a team without Wemby fans fall all over themselves to call it meaningless. When they win one without anyone else, it's a sign or something. The reality is both games "meant something", just as beating OKC and Minny with a full(er) deck meant something. Tenured Spurs fans should know that teams have to be able to win games in multiple ways. Sometimes Wemby will dominate, sometimes other guys will come up big. That versatility is good.

The Spurs should absolutely try multiple roster combos around Wemby and mix in talent with experience and chemistry. But whatever stars fans want the Spurs to get over Vassell and the others, the Spurs won this game without them too. The team should not lose sight of the lack of talent on the floor last night. This was a fantastic win and a great experience for a short-handed roster. It was a glimpse at what Wemby's prime may actually look like. But it's not a template for roster construction.

[Pauleta14]

This brings me no great joy to say but we don’t win this game with Devin-Sochan-Keldon

we were rolling bc everyone was moving and playing off wemby. How many dumb contested iso shots (devin) or head down drives to the rim with no plan (keldon) or driving into a crowd to throw up some bs or turn the ball over (sochan) did you see last night?

if the point of this season was to see what fits best with wemby its clear that smart players who move without the ball are what we need.

This.

[Splits]

You really sweating ping pong balls in this trash ass draft? :lol

ummm, yes. I don't want any of the shitheads from the draft but a #3 pick is much more valuable to trade than a #7 pick

[Spurminator]

Incredibly satisfying win. Haven't seen that level of basketball IQ sustained that long by a Spurs team since the beautiful game days. It was fun to watch.

[z0sa]

This brings me no great joy to say but we don’t win this game with Devin-Sochan-Keldon

we were rolling bc everyone was moving and playing off wemby. How many dumb contested iso shots (devin) or head down drives to the rim with no plan (keldon) or driving into a crowd to throw up some bs or turn the ball over (sochan) did you see last night?

if the point of this season was to see what fits best with wemby its clear that smart players who move without the ball are what we need.

It’s time to accept that this roster NEEDS to be blown up. Imagine Vassell running some pitiful screen and rolls and jacking up contested shots, or Sochan bricking all of the 3s Mamu made. Vassell, Sochan and Wemby NEVER had this much chemistry all season. Get rid of Vassell, for sure, IMHO. People talking about his contract, like saving money instead of winning titles is the goal. Julian Champagnie looking like 85% of the player in his absence for a tenth of the money.

Instead, next season it will be back to pretend Vassell is Manu and give him the ball near half court every possession that matters, grinding our offense to a halt while he uses his D+ level dribble to run out the shotclock.

[MultiTroll]

wtf why are we winning?
That win was good for the spirit.
Seeing Wemby that geeked up well, almost makes the trade off of possible #3 for probable #5 worth.

Ya, to answer Pop is not about making the team better. Is all about himself.
Like where was this lineup 5 months earlier? I know, lets play Sochan at pg for 40 games.
The Sniffers in worship will say CIA Pop doing a tank. Um ok. Then why undo the tank these last 10 games. You won't get a Sniffer answer.

Ya it's all about himself as long as he is here.
That's the short and long answer.

You would think today will be an extreme Tank vs Tank as Detroit.
We need to know what WA does in todays 1st game.
I sure hope WA loses so Det is motivated to win.

[itzsoweezee]

When the Spurs beat a team without Wemby fans fall all over themselves to call it meaningless.

Wemby is the franchise. Information about how the spurs do without Wemby is essentially meaningless.

[Pauleta14]

I have the feeling PATFO is gonna use those last good games as an excuse to not make any move.

Just listening to Pop praising Brahman's season yesterday was surreal.

[TheChillFactor]

Ya, to answer Pop is not about making the team better. Is all about himself.
Like where was this lineup 5 months earlier? I know, lets play Sochan at pg for 40 games.
The Sniffers in worship will say CIA Pop doing a tank. Um ok. Then why undo the tank these last 10 games. You won't get a Sniffer answer.


you weirdos just have these arguments in your head with imaginary "Sniffers"...the Sochan thing was dumb, i don't think anyone is saying it was some master stroke.

Can you show me on the doll where "The Sniffer" touched you?

Tell me, MultiTroll, is "The Sniffer" in the room with us RIGHT NOW?

[Seventyniner]

Two things.

Sitting Victor tomorrow would be a giant slap in the face to both Victor and the fans. Screw a few ping-pong balls, we all deserve one more game of Wemby this season.

I sure hope tonight's performance doesn't get the Spurs to guarantee Graham's contract.

[Chinook]

Wemby is the franchise. Information about how the spurs do without Wemby is essentially meaningless.

No? Both because the team will have to win games without Wemby due to injury, foul trouble or whatever and because the guys playing well is always good. This has never been an either/or situation. It's only a fantasy pushed by player fans.

[MultiTroll]

you weirdos just have these arguments in your head with imaginary "Sniffers"...the Sochan thing was dumb, i don't think anyone is saying it was some master stroke.
There were plenty saying it was a good move that would pay off in the long run.

Nice try.

[spurs10]

Great grades. Thanks! Now I'm anxious to go back and see what kind of intimidation they were laying on Wemby. Whatever it was it didn't work out so well for them. I've been a supporter of Denver in the playoffs in the past and still think it's gonna be D. White's Celtics vs them. I'm very impressed with Mamu's chemistry with VM on the court. More-so than Vassell, Keldon, and Sochan.

[CGD]

The same thing was said last summer and what happened? The core whom developement so many were excited to see were worse to start the season

I could get the logic if the Spurs already had the core to build on, but it's far from the case, at best Wemby + Vassell are starters

Sochan too small to play PF and can't shoot or handle the ball well enough to play SF

Tre overachieving undersized PG who can't pass the ball to Victor (he's litterally gotten worse at it through out the season :lol)

Keldon, great heart but absurd low BBIQ

Brahman Collins Champagnie... WTF :lol

I hope PATFO or some of you don't get fooled by recency bias

I mean you kinda undermine your own critique when you say “I get the logic if they had the core already” etc. They didn’t last year, but they do this year heading into it the summer. We can (and should) debate the merits of it but as of right now the Front Office sees Vic, Dev, and Jeremy as part of their core, while I do think they know neither of the latter are “number 2s.”

As for internal growth from last year, here are a few things that are different:

- Dev took a leap as shot creator & midrange threat
- Tre developed a reliable 3 in this last stretch
- Sochan is becoming a better facilitator
- Champ became a legit (deep) NBA bench guy
- Zach found his footing in this last stretch as a serviceable big man

[spurraider21]

When the Spurs beat a team without Wemby fans fall all over themselves to call it meaningless. When they win one without anyone else, it's a sign or something.
https://www.esports.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/copium-meaning-e1662494143102.jpg

[MultiTroll]

Old news by now but did anyone catch WTF was the "flopping" call on Wesley.
Definitely put a dent in the comeback (at the time).
My recording shows Wesley heading upcourt with no one near him. The camera stays below the basket.
At first the announcers thought the call was on Mamu which was a total WTF moment.

Never did (that i know of) show the footage of what got Wesley rung up for flopping.
You got it?

[LeBowen]

It's not about one or two games, it's been 7 games since our supposed second, third and fourth best players were shut down.

Warriors, 4 points L.
@ Nuggets, 5 points L.
@ Pelicans, 2 points W.
Sixers, 7 points, 2OT L.
@ Grizzlies, 15 points W.
@ Thunder, 37 points L, no Wemby.
Denver, 1 point W.

Six games with Wemby and scrubs, 3-3, +2 points differential.
Five of those games were against playoff teams playing for seeding.
Grizzlies are the most injured team ever, but they're still competing, Lakers barely beat them last night in a must win game.

One game with no Wemby? 37 points L.

Enough of a sample size for me.

[itzsoweezee]

No? Both because the team will have to win games without Wemby due to injury, foul trouble or whatever and because the guys playing well is always good. This has never been an either/or situation. It's only a fantasy pushed by player fans.

Again, essentially meaningless. How the others play without wemby doesn’t tell anything of significant value. The “others” need to fit with wemby, not the other way around. That’s just the way NBA basketball works. NBA teams go as their superstars go. Mavs aren’t winning without Luka, the thunder aren’t winning without SGA, etc.

That’s not to say wemby shouldn’t work to become a better player, but his performance is not measured by whether he meshes well with players on the roster, especially because wemby is a willing passer and plays both ends of the court. He’s the last guy needing critique about fit

[Mr. Body]

It’s time to accept that this roster NEEDS to be blown up. Imagine Vassell running some pitiful screen and rolls and jacking up contested shots, or Sochan bricking all of the 3s Mamu made. Vassell, Sochan and Wemby NEVER had this much chemistry all season. Get rid of Vassell, for sure, IMHO. People talking about his contract, like saving money instead of winning titles is the goal. Julian Champagnie looking like 85% of the player in his absence for a tenth of the money.

Instead, next season it will be back to pretend Vassell is Manu and give him the ball near half court every possession that matters, grinding our offense to a halt while he uses his D+ level dribble to run out the shotclock.

I wonder when supposed fans will realize that end of bench players can play well for short spans of a few games but then they get figured out or just can't keep it up. This ain't EA Sports. It's super-casual to think these end of season games can be projected over a long period of time throughout a season. It's just... not good, man. But you've got spirit thinking you know more than multi-year professionals in the league who, if they make mistakes here or there, know what they're doing far more than you do. I like the gumption, though.

[Mr. Body]

No? Both because the team will have to win games without Wemby due to injury, foul trouble or whatever and because the guys playing well is always good. This has never been an either/or situation. It's only a fantasy pushed by player fans.

Absolutely. Wembanyama is going to get hurt at some point. He's coming off the Olympics this summer. The team needs to learn how to support him but also excel in their own ways. This is completely obvious.

I'm starting to realize -- and this isn't a problem with SpursTalk necessarily -- that many people aren't simply confined and very menial in their thought patterns, they don't actually care about what they claim to care about. Like, most people here aren't actually Spurs fans. They've just found something they like to bitch and whine about in a kind of mud-brain cult level.

[Mugen]

ummm, yes. I don't want any of the shitheads from the draft but a #3 pick is much more valuable to trade than a #7 pick

Not in this draft tbh. And the Spurs aren't trading it even if it was top 5 tbh.

[Spurminator]

I wonder when supposed fans will realize that end of bench players can play well for short spans of a few games but then they get figured out or just can't keep it up. This ain't EA Sports. It's super-casual to think these end of season games can be projected over a long period of time throughout a season. It's just... not good, man. But you've got spirit thinking you know more than multi-year professionals in the league who, if they make mistakes here or there, know what they're doing far more than you do. I like the gumption, though.

Yeah if we played these guys instead of Sochan, Vassell and KJ all season, we might only win like 21 games.

[SouthernFryd]

Champagnie, the "invisible man"...de-cloaked tonite. Those dunks, in crowds...wow. Didn't know he had it in him.

I think everyone did well tonight. Even Wesley had a couple of motivational dunks. Can't think of anyone who didn't give it their all.

But, yeah...I like Manu :)

[ambchang]

It’s time to accept that this roster NEEDS to be blown up. Imagine Vassell running some pitiful screen and rolls and jacking up contested shots, or Sochan bricking all of the 3s Mamu made. Vassell, Sochan and Wemby NEVER had this much chemistry all season. Get rid of Vassell, for sure, IMHO. People talking about his contract, like saving money instead of winning titles is the goal. Julian Champagnie looking like 85% of the player in his absence for a tenth of the money.

Instead, next season it will be back to pretend Vassell is Manu and give him the ball near half court every possession that matters, grinding our offense to a halt while he uses his D+ level dribble to run out the shotclock.

Wemby, Tre, sochan, Vassell and keldon is +20.5 on about 140 mins or so. That’s the second best 5-man lineup for the team. I mean come on.

[CorrectCrusader]

It's not about one or two games, it's been 7 games since our supposed second, third and fourth best players were shut down.

Warriors, 4 points L.
@ Nuggets, 5 points L.
@ Pelicans, 2 points W.
Sixers, 7 points, 2OT L.
@ Grizzlies, 15 points W.
@ Thunder, 37 points L, no Wemby.
Denver, 1 point W.

Six games with Wemby and scrubs, 3-3, +2 points differential.
Five of those games were against playoff teams playing for seeding.
Grizzlies are the most injured team ever, but they're still competing, Lakers barely beat them last night in a must win game.

One game with no Wemby? 37 points L.

Enough of a sample size for me.

No Jeremy and Keldon is addition by subtraction.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

David Duke and the Clan. :lol :lol


Thanks for the grades. Who gives a crap about draft position, tbh.

[taps]

Damn the klan joke kinda sucks.

[The Truth #6]

you weirdos just have these arguments in your head with imaginary "Sniffers"...the Sochan thing was dumb, i don't think anyone is saying it was some master stroke.

Can you show me on the doll where "The Sniffer" touched you?

Tell me, MultiTroll, is "The Sniffer" in the room with us RIGHT NOW?

This is objectively hilarious.

[The Truth #6]

One game sample size does need some pause to not overreact. And it's end of season confusion. Yet...it was against the best team at full strength. And if nothing else shows the benefit of ball movement and shooting.

Really, my thought is about Mamu. He played great in the summer for his national team as far as I remember, and seems to have been ready to make some sort of microscopic leap in his development, but never got the chance. And that gets to my critique of Pop, which is that he does a lot of crazy things in lineups, but then also completely misses certain opportunities, like playing Graham or Mamu. Obviously they're trying to develop other players instead, but I would argue they get too attached to their draft picks and not the players who are just simply on the team.

[Biggems]

Go Spurs Go

[Atl Spur]

Obviously playing Mamu helps you win games, so why would he not play him? You got it, they rather be in the lottery vs being a potential play in team. Pop has not forgotten how to evaluate talent or coach. This offseason will hopefully pay dividends!

[onechance87]

Obviously playing Mamu helps you win games, so why would he not play him? You got it, they rather be in the lottery vs being a potential play in team. Pop has not forgotten how to evaluate talent or coach. This offseason will hopefully pay dividends!

mamu only got some playing time cause sochan and barlow got hurt.