End of Regular Season Awards Thread

[Mugen]

Didn't see a thread so made one tbh. Who ya got?
(who you would vote for, not who you think will win tbh)

My picks:

MVP: Joker
DPOY: Wemby
MIP: Maxey
COTY: Thibbs
6MOTY: Naz Reid
ROTY: Wemby (should be unanimous, will be pissed AF when it isn't :lol)


First Team All NBA: Luka/SGA/Tatum/Giannis/Joker
Second Team All NBA: Brunson/Ant/Nephew/KD/AD
Third Team: Bron/JaylenBrown/Curry/Haliburton/Wemby

First Team All Defense: Wemby/Gobert/AD/Bam/HerbJones

[Robz4000]

Didn't see a thread so made one tbh. Who ya got?
(who you would vote for, not who you think will win tbh)

My picks:

MVP: Joker
DPOY: Wemby
MIP: Maxey
COTY: Thibbs
6MOTY: Naz Reid
ROTY: Wemby (should be unanimous, will be pissed AF when it isn't :lol)


First Team All NBA: Luka/SGA/Tatum/Giannis/Joker
Second Team All NBA: Brunson/Ant/Nephew/KD/AD
Third Team: Bron/JaylenBrown/Curry/Haliburton/Wemby

First Team All Defense: Wemby/Gobert/AD/Bam/HerbJones

Mine's pretty much same top-to-bottom, but I might switch out Jokic for SGA or Doncic.

:lol I still come across articles for Chet over Wemby for ROTY and they all come from predominantly white parts of the country.

[Mugen]

Mine's pretty much same top-to-bottom, but I might switch out Jokic for SGA or Doncic.

:lol I still come across articles for Chet over Wemby for ROTY and they all come from predominantly white parts of the country.

You just know some old POS that voted for Van Horn 30 years ago is still around and just waiting to vote for Chet again :lol

[spurraider21]

MVP - Joker
DPOY - Wemby
MIP - Maxey (Jalen Williams close here)
COTY - Daigneault
6MOTY - Monk
ROTY - Wemby

All NBA First team - Joker/Luka/Giannis/Tatum/SGA
All NBA Second team - Brunson/Edwards/Kawhi/Durant/Haliburton
All NBA Third team - Curry/Booker/Davis/Bron/Wemby

All Defensive First team - Wemby/Gobert/Adebayo/Herb Jones/Alex Caruso
All Defensive Second team - Davis/White/McDaniels/Kawhi/Jalen Williams

[Mugen]

MVP - Joker
DPOY - Wemby
MIP - Maxey (Jalen Williams close here)
COTY - Daigneault
6MOTY - Monk
ROTY - Wemby

All NBA First team - Joker/Luka/Giannis/Tatum/SGA
All NBA Second team - Brunson/Edwards/Kawhi/Durant/Haliburton
All NBA Third team - Curry/Booker/Davis/Bron/Wemby

All Defensive First team - Wemby/Gobert/Adebayo/Herb Jones/Alex Caruso
All Defensive Second team - Davis/White/McDaniels/Kawhi/Jalen Williams

Solid. I just can't have Haliburton over AD on the 2nd team as much as I hate the Fakers tbh.

[KobesAchilles]

MVP- Luka
DPOY- Gobert
MIP- Williams
COY- Doc... I kid, I kid... Thibs
6MOY- Monk if he's elligible
ROTY- Wembs

All NBA First Team: Luka, Shay, Joker, Tatum, Edwards
All NBA Second Team: Giannis, Brunson, Durant Lebron, AD
All NBA Third Team: Haliburton, Steph, Wemby, Brown, Kyrie

All NBA Defense First Team: Wemby, Gobert, Edwards, AD, Caruso
All NBA Second Team: Bam, White, Jones, Draymond, Issac

[LeBowen]

MVP - Jokic
DPOY - Gobert
MIP - Maxey
COTY - Mosley
6MOTY - Reid
ROTY - Wembanyama

All-NBA
1st: Luka, SGA, Tatum, Giannis, Jokic
2nd: Brunson, Edwards, Kawhi, Lebron, Sabonis
3rd: Curry, Booker, DDR, KD, AD

All-Defense
1st: White, Herb, Wemby, AD, Gobert
2nd: Caruso, Brown, McDaniels, Chet, Bam

Some thoughts:
MVP and ROTY aren't even close for me.
I'd honestly give Anunoby the DPOY if he played enough games, he's been absolutely ridiculous since the trade. Knicks have 20-3 record when he played. The best wing defense since Kawhi.
I think Wemby is already the best defender in the league and while record isn't everything, Spurs have been way too bad to get him the award. Maybe I'd think about it if we had around 30 wins.
Maxey for MIP because that award shouldn't go to a second year player. They're expected to improve.
Mosley finally got Orlando to the playoffs with somewhat of a dysfunctional roster and no actual star on the team.

First team is a lock, no questions asked.
Other two are too close to call. Some will say I'm being ridiculous for including DDR and that getting to the play-in isn't much of a feat, but that team is garbage and he dragged them there.

All defense is also self-explanatory, with already mentioned OG and Isaac not qualifying.

[spurraider21]

really wanted to get jonathan isaac onto an all defensive team but he doesnt meet the games played criteria

[Mugen]

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[manufan10]

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[Spursfanfromafar]

Here's my ballot -

MVP - Nikola Jokic
DPOY - Rudy Gobert
MIP - Tyrese Maxey
COTY - Mark Daigneault
6MOTY - Naz Reid
ROTY - Victor Wembanyama

All-NBA -

1st: Luka Doncic, Shai Gilgeous-Alexander, Kawhi Leonard, Giannis Antetokounmpo, Jokic
2nd: Jalen Brunson, Anthony Edwards, Paul George, Jayson Tatum, Anthony Davis
3rd: Tyrese Haliburton, Steph Curry, Kevin Durant, LeBron James, Domantas Sabonis

All-Defense
1st: SGA, Alex Caruso, Kawhi, Wemby, Gobert
2nd: Jalen Suggs, Derrick White, Franz Wagner, Aaron Gordon, Bam Adebayo

I would have loved to say Wemby is the clear cut DPOY, but Gobert was the best defender in the best defensive team in the league and it is difficult not to give him the DPOY. Even Wemby said that.

Maxey is a no-brainer for MIP.. so many 50 point games and willing the 76ers to the playoffs without Embiid. Dude deserves that award.

I will pick Daigneault over Mosley. The West is way more competitive than the East and while SGA is a close second to Jokic for the MVP and that helped the Thunder... they are a very young team that finished on top. Thats amazing and a great credit to fantastic coaching.

Reid and Wemby for 6MOY and ROY are no-brainers. Monk could have beaten Reid to the award, but he got injured and missed a few games. While Reid helped the Wolves to get to No. 3 in the absence of Towns. A clear cut 6MOY.

I have taken Nephew in 1st NBA. He played 68 games (just above the limit) and was his team's MVP with George a close No 2.. Both of them were awesome on both offense and defense and thats why they are in the 1st and the 2nd team NBA for me. Luka, SGA, Giannis and Jokic are no-brainers in 1st NBA.

In 2nd team, I am taking Tatum and George over LeBron and KD (who are in my 3rd NBA). I value AD more than LeBron for the Lakers. And I will go for Haliburton over Booker, who will be unlucky to miss out along with Lillard.

In All-Defense, I am squeezing Wemby with Gobert in the front court...a bit awkwardly.. but along with SGA, Caruso and Kawhi.. this would be a devastating Defensive team. Suggs and Wagner were brilliant for Magic.. but sadly the best defender on the Magic - Jonathan Isaac but unfortunately he didnt play enough to get a spot. Aaron Gordon is very under-rated and he makes life easier for Jokic on defense while Adebayo is not far away from Gobert and Wemby as being among the best defenders among the big men. And he is probably the best big man who can defend on the perimeter as well.

[baseline bum]

MVP: Luka Doncic
DPOY: Victor Wembanyama
MIP: Tyrese Maxey
6MOY: Naz Reid
COY: Mark Daigneault
ROY: Victor Wembanyama

[Dex]

JJ Redick is doing a great job in his second career as an analyst, and he gives a good breakdown of his picks here:

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Spoiler alert, he voted Wemby as #1 ROY, #2 DPOY, and said he just barely missed the cut for All-NBA behind Anthony Davis.

[Mugen]

JJ Redick is doing a great job in his second career as an analyst, and he gives a good breakdown of his picks here:

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Spoiler alert, he voted Wemby as #1 ROY, #2 DPOY, and said he just barely missed the cut for All-NBA behind Anthony Davis.

JJ doesn't even have AD on an All Defense team (not even 2nd team) which is nuts tbh :lol

[Dex]

JJ doesn't even have AD on an All Defense team (not even 2nd team) which is nuts tbh :lol

It's interesting to hear someone who actually votes break it down. It has to be tough since you want to recognize like 100 great players but are ultimately left with like 30 spots.

His list was a little all over the place but it sounds like he actually put good thought into it.

Also gave some shoutouts to former Spurs Derrick White and Kyle Anderson on their defensive contributions.

[Mugen]

It's interesting to hear someone who actually votes break it down. It has to be tough since you want to recognize like 100 great players but are ultimately left with like 30 spots.

His list was a little all over the place but it sounds like he actually put good thought into it.

Also gave some shoutouts to former Spurs Derrick White and Kyle Anderson on their defensive contributions.

There's just no way I'm putting KCP above AD on all defense especially now that they've gone position-less. The Lakers entire defense is held up by Davis tbh.

[TD 21]

MVP: Jokic
DPOY: Gobert
MIP: Maxey
COTY: Mosley
6MOTY: Reid
ROTY: Wembanyama

All-NBA 1st team: Jokic, Gilgeous-Alexander, Doncic, Antetokounmpo, Tatum
All-NBA 2nd team: Davis, Brunson, James, Edwards, Durant
All-NBA 3rd team: Scumbag, Sabonis, Haliburton, Curry, Booker

All-Defense 1st team: Gobert, Wembanyama, Davis, Adebayo, Jones
All-Defense 2nd team: Suggs, White, Caruso, McDaniels, Gordon

All-Rookie 1st team: Wembanyama, Holmgren, Miller, Podziemski, Jaquez Jr.
All-Rookie 2nd team: Lively II, Wallace, (Amen) Thompson, Whitmore, Jackson-Davis

[spurraider21]

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[spurraider21]

this guy has been tracking journalists who have already gone ahead and made their picks public

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1KMzwRcilLDej0BWl7eYE_OYC9Tx9olI_Ptn-nHjKfpQ/edit#gid=1236527381

[playbonner15]

this guy has been tracking journalists who have already gone ahead and made their picks public

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1KMzwRcilLDej0BWl7eYE_OYC9Tx9olI_Ptn-nHjKfpQ/edit#gid=1236527381

I really don't get why media have votes. Players and coaches I get. Also lol at Perk for having a vote

[Mugen]

I really don't get why media have votes. Players and coaches I get. Also lol at Perk for having a vote

A lot of the players are dumb AF tbh.

[CorrectCrusader]

It should just be the "Thinking Basketball" youtube guy who does the awards tbh

[spurraider21]

It should just be the "Thinking Basketball" youtube guy who does the awards tbh
he also said gobert would be his dpoy

[ace3g]

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[ace3g]

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[Brazil]

MVP: Jokic
DPOY: Victor
MIP: Maxey
COTY: Daigneault
6MOTY: Reid
ROTY: Wembanyama

[spurraider21]

Goober won DPOY

[BatManu20]

Predictable. Wemby robbed. You hate to see it.

[Thomas82]

Predictable. Wemby robbed. You hate to see it.

He most definitely got robbed.

[spurraider21]

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[spurraider21]

18 voters left wemby off altogether

2 left goober off

[Ariel]

Minnesota top defensive team and close to no. 1 was tough to beat, narrative is strong. But many should take a hint with Gobert missing last game and his team not skipping a beat.

[TD 21]

Yeah, it's always a good idea to base things on a one game sample size.

[BatManu20]

Yeah, it's always a good idea to base things on a one game sample size.

Minnesota has 3 other players on their team ranked in the Top-20 defensively this season. The fact that they looked absolutely dominant defensively against the defending champs last night without Gobert playing a single minute speaks volumes.

Meanwhile the Spurs drop from the 4th-ranked Defense with Wemby on the court to the 28th-ranked Defense when he’s off is insane. All while Wemby lead the league in Blocks & Stocks + Steals for a Center. Wemby most definitely robbed tbh.

[Ariel]

Yeah, it's always a good idea to base things on a one game sample size.
Doesn't take one ounce away from Gobert's contributions, but yes, it's very tangible proof that he has an excellent defensive team around him and at the very least it dispells the notion that he should be the recipient of the award based on team's defensive performance, which is the main argument over Wemby for a lot of voters (best defensive player on the best defensive team rhetoric).

[Biggems]

Nothing new.....the NBA has long screwed the Spurs out of individual awards.

Bowen was the best perimeter defender in the league for a handful of years and not 1 DPOY. Duncan is one of the greatest defensive players of all-time, not one DPOY. Not only that, but Duncan was not a unanimous ROY, even though he should have been.

not awards, but also, the Spurs never have anyone in the 3pt shooting contest, even though they have had a few players leading or in the top 3 the league in 3pt % before the all-star break.

[skin27]

Nothing new.....the NBA has long screwed the Spurs out of individual awards.

Bowen was the best perimeter defender in the league for a handful of years and not 1 DPOY. Duncan is one of the greatest defensive players of all-time, not one DPOY. Not only that, but Duncan was not a unanimous ROY, even though he should have been.

not awards, but also, the Spurs never have anyone in the 3pt shooting contest, even though they have had a few players leading or in the top 3 the league in 3pt % before the all-star break.

I thin belineli participated in 3pt contest in 2014 and 2015

[MultiTroll]

Assuming this is correct, let's handle this Timmy Duncan style and who gives a F what moron sport writers vote.

The winner is selected by a panel of 124 sportswriters and broadcasters throughout the United States and Canada, each of whom casts a vote for first, second and third place selections. Each first-place vote is worth five points, second-place votes are worth three points, and a third-place vote is worth one.

[skin27]

Why ya'll surprise with the dpoy result? Spurs suck on defense so no way wemby win dpoy..if the spura are in top 10 defense in the league then wemby has a legitimate chance. Dont say wemby got robbed because its clearly a robbery if wemby win it. Dont worry wemby will win couple of dpoy in the future if the team starts winning and play good defense.

[exstatic]

Predictable. Wemby robbed. You hate to see it.

18 voters left him off their ballots completely.

[spurraider21]

I thin belineli participated in 3pt contest in 2014 and 2015
Bonner had been in it as well

and spurs were in that shooting stars competition a while back when they still did that. enrique won

[Spurminator]

DPOY is always the laziest award. If someone's won it two or three times, they're basically grandfathered into another one or two when they don't deserve it. Ben Wallace, Dwight Howard, Dikembe Mutumbo, and now Rudy.

[TD 21]

Minnesota has 3 other players on their team ranked in the Top-20 defensively this season. The fact that they looked absolutely dominant defensively against the defending champs last night without Gobert playing a single minute speaks volumes.

Meanwhile the Spurs drop from the 4th-ranked Defense with Wemby on the court to the 28th-ranked Defense when he’s off is insane. All while Wemby lead the league in Blocks & Stocks + Steals for a Center. Wemby most definitely robbed tbh.

So he should be penalized for being surrounded by superior personnel? The defending champs are in shambles and banged up and it was still one game.



Doesn't take one ounce away from Gobert's contributions, but yes, it's very tangible proof that he has an excellent defensive team around him and at the very least it dispells the notion that he should be the recipient of the award based on team's defensive performance, which is the main argument over Wemby for a lot of voters (best defensive player on the best defensive team rhetoric).

Wembanyama definitely had a case despite fogies/agenda driven fools pretending otherwise, but I wouldn't say he was robbed either.

[Ariel]

Wembanyama definitely had a case despite fogies/agenda driven fools pretending otherwise, but I wouldn't say he was robbed either.
Robbed is too strong a word, my problem is with the "best defensive player on the best defensive team" narrative. It doesn't hold water, and it's dishonest to try and censor debate because of it.

[DAF86]

Yeah, it's always a good idea to base things on a one game sample size.

A whole season of data indicates that Wemby was way more impactful than Gobert on the defensive side of the ball, tbh.

[chubbs]

well deserved tbqh

[Ice009]

Why ya'll surprise with the dpoy result? Spurs suck on defense so no way wemby win dpoy..if the spura are in top 10 defense in the league then wemby has a legitimate chance. Dont say wemby got robbed because its clearly a robbery if wemby win it. Dont worry wemby will win couple of dpoy in the future if the team starts winning and play good defense.

I don't know, I remember back in February where the Spurs were ranked one of the worst defensive teams of all time when Victor was off the court, but they were ranked 5th or 6th in the NBA this season when he was on the court. If that held up throughout the whole regular season (Did it hold up?), how could he not be defensive player of the year? I think Victor should have won, or come a lot closer. If 18 people missed him on the ballot, those 18 people are freaking retards (sorry to use this wording).

As for Gobert, he's good, but just because his team was at the top defensively, doesn't mean he was the best as his team played good team defense and had other good defenders on it. They didn't suck when he wasn't on the court. It's not that black and white IMO.

[Limguogolo]

You have to look at the logic of the best defender of the year based on the same logic as the MVP. Who is valuable? Being a good defender on one of the worst teams in the league has no value. What matters first is the impact of a player on a contender team. Not his individual stats.

It's already quite exceptional to see Victor second.

Regarding Gobert, the staff and the team seem to say that he has implanted a defensive culture in the team. And that contributes to the valuable side of a player as it contributes to win games. We know what defensive culture is in principle at Spurs. Respect that. “It’s not who we are.”

For many years, it was also said that Tony Parker was not a playmaker because he made few assists. There are types of play that force stats, and others don't. Stats are not performances. When a football/soccer goalkeeper makes ten saves per game, it's not that he's exceptionally good, it's that his defense is lousy. In basketball, it's the same. Making blocks is far from being a meaningful statistic for evaluating the general defense of a player or his team. This can also prove that the outside defense lets everything pass and that the Center/shot blocker serves as a goalkeeper. When you listen to pundits talk about Gobert's defense (even his historical detractors), they praise his ability to defend in the perimeter where he once couldn't. Fewer blocks, more ability to come to the periphery and not be handicapped on defensive switches.

Start winning matches for that kind of awards. In principle, we know what happens first and foremost at Spurs. By the defense.

[z0sa]

You have to look at the logic of the best defender of the year based on the same logic as the MVP. Who is valuable? Being a good defender on one of the worst teams in the league has no value. What matters first is the impact of a player on a contender team. Not his individual stats.

It's already quite exceptional to see Victor second.

Regarding Gobert, the staff and the team seem to say that he has implanted a defensive culture in the team. And that contributes to the valuable side of a player as it contributes to win games. We know what defensive culture is in principle at Spurs. Respect that. “It’s not who we are.”

For many years, it was also said that Tony Parker was not a playmaker because he made few assists. There are types of play that force stats, and others don't. Stats are not performances. When a football/soccer goalkeeper makes ten saves per game, it's not that he's exceptionally good, it's that his defense is lousy. In basketball, it's the same. Making blocks is far from being a meaningful statistic for evaluating the general defense of a player or his team. This can also prove that the outside defense lets everything pass and that the Center/shot blocker serves as a goalkeeper. When you listen to pundits talk about Gobert's defense (even his historical detractors), they praise his ability to defend in the perimeter where he once couldn't. Fewer blocks, more ability to come to the periphery and not be handicapped on defensive switches.

Start winning matches for that kind of awards. In principle, we know what happens first and foremost at Spurs. By the defense.

Except there's plenty of times that hasn't mattered at all.

[KingKev]

Will Coach Pop take home the Social Justice Champion award tonight?!?

Hearing Brynn Forbes got atleast a few off ballot votes for whooping that trick. :corn::corn:

[TD 21]

A whole season of data indicates that Wemby was way more impactful than Gobert on the defensive side of the ball, tbh.

I'm well aware of the data, but the point is bringing up one game as some sort of proof of concept is nonsense, yet typical of hot take culture.

It's the same game those with agendas against certain players play after every game their team wins without them (absent context), yet somehow the opposite never seems to count.

[scott]

Expected DPOY of the year result. The On/Off defensive splits for Wemby are compelling but HOPEFULLY someone in the front office looks at that and sees it as a glaring need to improve the team around Wemby, as opposed to some slight that really doesn't matter.

[Knoxxx]

Wemby should have a nice chip on his shoulder next season thanks to this DPOY vote.

[Tyronn Lue]

Expected DPOY of the year result. The On/Off defensive splits for Wemby are compelling but HOPEFULLY someone in the front office looks at that and sees it as a glaring need to improve the team around Wemby, as opposed to some slight that really doesn't matter.
If it was my front office, they'd let someone go because Victor is doing the work of two.

[Rosewood]

Honestly, if it were the best defensive player on a top contending team - Duncan would be pushing double digits instead of having 0. That alone makes the award completely meaningless.

Honestly - do any of the individual accolades hold any merit BESIDES Finals MVP? These awards are voted by mostly non-athletes that thrive on media-driven narratives and agendas. They have no value. Hell - losing the DPoY when Wemby was clearly the best individual defensive force in the league may be good for the Spurs - he may take it to the next level in large part due to this next season. He has shown that mentality all year.

Having said that Gobert is an awesome defender and has been his entire career. I remembered actually liking him when he was on the Jazz and I never got all the hate for him. There has definitely been way worse recipients than him. That team is incredibly fun to watch and they are all playing defense at a high level. Wolves are historically a bottom three franchise - the fans deserve some shit to get excited about :lol

[manufan10]

Here's the schedule for the upcoming awards:

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[spurraider21]

MVP - Joker
DPOY - Wemby
MIP - Maxey (Jalen Williams close here)
COTY - Daigneault
6MOTY - Monk
ROTY - Wemby

All NBA First team - Joker/Luka/Giannis/Tatum/SGA
All NBA Second team - Brunson/Edwards/Kawhi/Durant/Haliburton
All NBA Third team - Curry/Booker/Davis/Bron/Wemby

All Defensive First team - Wemby/Gobert/Adebayo/Herb Jones/Alex Caruso
All Defensive Second team - Davis/White/McDaniels/Kawhi/Jalen Williams

all-nba picks were close. i had haliburton 2nd team and he made 3rd instead (swap him with my Davis 3rd team pick). i had wemby but they went with Sabonis instead

[spurraider21]

full vote results

wemby was 20th anyway, getting 7 total votes out of 99

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[spurraider21]

:lmao that same fuckface gave Sabonis all nba first team. he got exactly one vote and for sure its the same prick who voted him first team all defense and who gave him a 3rd place DPOY vote and 4th place MVP vote

[exstatic]

:lmao that same fuckface gave Sabonis all nba first team. he got exactly one vote and for sure its the same prick who voted him first team all defense and who gave him a 3rd place DPOY vote and 4th place MVP vote

I don’t think Domatis is a better player than Victor right now. It’s all momentum and reputation. They’ve voted for him before, so they’ll do it again.

[Seventyniner]

I don’t think Domatis is a better player than Victor right now. It’s all momentum and reputation. They’ve voted for him before, so they’ll do it again.

This is the last time Sabonis will ever finish ahead of Wemby in anything.