2024 NBA Draft: Spurs Big Board 1.0

[timvp]

https://www.spurstalk.com/spurs-big-board-1-2024-nba-draft/

Draft is pretty damn bad this year but the Spurs should get an interesting player with their pick, IMO.

[Chinook]

Clearly a poor attempt at copying Teeds' thread. Thought you'd be above such obvious plagiarism, LJ.

[Uriel]

With the full transparency that I have not watched Dillingham play this year, and knowing full well that anybody can put together a mixtape and make anyone look like an all-star, watching these highlights, I can easily see the appeal. This kid is a baller.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zHpMXG2448

[Ariel]

With the full transparency that I have not watched Dillingham play this year, and knowing full well that anybody can put together a mixtape and make anyone look like an all-star, watching these highlights, I can easily see the appeal. This kid is a baller.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zHpMXG2448
With the full transparency that I have not watched those highlights, watching him play this year I could easily see the appeal and that the kid is a baller.

[TrainOfThought5]

With the full transparency that I have not watched Dillingham play this year, and knowing full well that anybody can put together a mixtape and make anyone look like an all-star, watching these highlights, I can easily see the appeal. This kid is a baller.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zHpMXG2448

With the full transparency that I have not watched every spurs game this year, and knowing full well that our current shitty PG situation can make anyone look like an all-star comparatively, watching these highlights, I can easily see the appeal. This kid is instantly the best shooter and ball handler on the team. This kid is a baller

[CGD]

This is officially the House Flipper draft. Develop whoever they get just enough, and use him in a trade later — “the DJ” if you will.

Yikes at the idea of picking Dillingham at 1.
Ouch.

[Dejounte]

This is officially the House Flipper draft. Develop whoever they get just enough, and use him in a trade later — “the DJ” if you will.

Yikes at the idea of picking Dillingham at 1.
Ouch.

There are much worse ideas than Dillingham at 1. Popular ones.

[TrainOfThought5]

There are much worse ideas than Dillingham at 1. Popular ones.

I hear people clamoring for Stephon Castle and guys with absolutely no shooting prowess to add to this starting lineup and I just don’t understand.

[rascal]

Dillingham will likely be gone at 5 or lower when the Spurs pick so expect Topic.

Sarr, Risacher, Dillingham and Clingan in the top 4 in unknown order

Then Spurs drafting from Topic, Castle, Sheppard in 5-7 range

[BackHome]

I honestly think Dilly will probably still be there at 5, I don't think Topic will be there at 5

[Degoat]

*Random thought* In a draft like this where is seems like the spurs will be looking hard at the guard position, do we think they could target one of the combo guards thinking they could develop into a PG in terms of what they need. The spurs spent a majority of the season trying Sochan out so I don’t think it’s crazy to say that the spurs could view Ja’Kobe walters Or Jared McCain as possible starting PGs for the team

[SpursBills]

*Random thought* In a draft like this where is seems like the spurs will be looking hard at the guard position, do we think they could target one of the combo guards thinking they could develop into a PG in terms of what they need. The spurs spent a majority of the season trying Sochan out so I don’t think it’s crazy to say that the spurs could view Ja’Kobe walters Or Jared McCain as possible starting PGs for the team

I don't see it with Ja'Kobe but I'm way higher than consensus on McCain - I have Reed top 3 right now and I don't think the gap between him and McCain is that large. I made a comp of CJ McCollum with Reed before but McCain actually fits much better both stylistically and projection wise. If you look at them head to head, McCain has

1. Better dimensions - probably 6'3"-6'4" in shoes, with a longer wingspan, better rebounding numbers indicates he plays bigger as well
2. Better POA defense - he's not great, but he competes hard and isn't exactly a turnstile, plus he's strong as fuck for his size which is usually a good indicator of a small guard holding up on switches
3. High volume and and high accuracy 3 point shooting, good midrange efficiency, quick release, varied shot diet - all this translates to the ability to somewhat build an offense around his shooting using multiple screening actions at least as much as Sheppard
4. Better at the rim - shooting 64% at the rim in the half court (really good number for a freshman shooter btw), compared to 55% for Reed

His facilitating is being masked by being on a team with Proctor and Roach, but he averaged like 4 AST/game in HS so I think he's got significant potential there. I honestly have Sheppard ahead of him only because Sheppard's superpower is having outlier-level basketball instincts and IQ which scales in the modern game really really well if he manages to improve his more of his tactical skills i.e. his handle or live-dribble passing. But overall I'm very very high on McCain and think he's got a chance of being a top 5 guy from this draft and a very good starter when it's all said and done.

[scott]

Thread merge?

[intlspurshk]

Maybe better to package Spurs pick and KJ to trade for a good young player with another team

[Vienna]

I don't see it with Ja'Kobe but I'm way higher than consensus on McCain - I have Reed top 3 right now and I don't think the gap between him and McCain is that large. I made a comp of CJ McCollum with Reed before but McCain actually fits much better both stylistically and projection wise. If you look at them head to head, McCain has

1. Better dimensions - probably 6'3"-6'4" in shoes, with a longer wingspan, better rebounding numbers indicates he plays bigger as well
2. Better POA defense - he's not great, but he competes hard and isn't exactly a turnstile, plus he's strong as fuck for his size which is usually a good indicator of a small guard holding up on switches
3. High volume and and high accuracy 3 point shooting, good midrange efficiency, quick release, varied shot diet - all this translates to the ability to somewhat build an offense around his shooting using multiple screening actions at least as much as Sheppard
4. Better at the rim - shooting 64% at the rim in the half court (really good number for a freshman shooter btw), compared to 55% for Reed

His facilitating is being masked by being on a team with Proctor and Roach, but he averaged like 4 AST/game in HS so I think he's got significant potential there. I honestly have Sheppard ahead of him only because Sheppard's superpower is having outlier-level basketball instincts and IQ which scales in the modern game really really well if he manages to improve his more of his tactical skills i.e. his handle or live-dribble passing. But overall I'm very very high on McCain and think he's got a chance of being a top 5 guy from this draft and a very good starter when it's all said and done.

we might be the only two on this forum on the McCain train. but mocks are slowly adjusting and some moved him up to late lottery. best I read was #10, but can't remember where.
I'm pretty sure when the first interviews with teams are leaked, he will once mor move up. Teams will rave about his personality and smarts. word out of Duke was, that he is a gym rat and highly coachable, so there are some more points for him. regarding this is a draft without much star potential, teams will warm up to rather take a high IQ, high energy, high character guy, who definitely can shoot, even if he lacks ideal hight and burst, than swing for the fences.
I can see Hawks pick him at 10 and the lowest he will fall is 13, Kings won't pass on a local kid, who was state champion and already is a big star in California.
so from there it isn't that far to pick 7-9. (where Spurs will pick if the Raptors pick conveys).

currently there is a good chance that Spurs pick at 5 and 7. assuming Risacher will be gone at 5, I can see them pick Castle, plus either Sheppard or McCain. Castle will measure great, I'm sure about that, likely 6'5" w/o shoes. you can play him 1, 2 and 3, on and off ball, and he will shut down either spot on defense. that will open room for a shooting combo guard, even if he isn't ideal hight.

[baseline bum]

currently there is a good chance that Spurs pick at 5 and 7

Very unlikely. Spurs get pick #5 only if no one from #6 to #13 moves up, which is only about a 2.2% chance. The only pick they can get that's less likely is pick #9 at 0.62%.

[heyheymymy]

I posted a while back on McCain and think he'd be a great fit in SA. I mentioned McCain was the 8th top scorer in the entire NCAA tournament and that's with going out in the Elite Eight.

Kinda a consolation Reed Sheppard lol.

McCain seems like a SG/PG but in the NBA I could see him in lineups at the 1 PG but I don't expect too much brilliant primary playmaking (or much of anything outside of really good shooting). Like Patty Mills deluxe (or Mills pre shoulder surgery)

[heyheymymy]

Spurs have like only a 2% chance to pick at #5

It's either around 40% top 4 (about 10% each 1-4) or around 19% at #6 and around 26% at #7

[scott]

Very unlikely. Spurs get pick #5 only if no one from #6 to #13 moves up, which is only about a 2.2% chance. The only pick they can get that's less likely is pick #9 at 0.62%.

Not just very unlikely, but impossible. Like you said, the Spurs only get #5 if no one moves up... but if no one moves up, then the Spurs can't get #7. There is no way for the Spurs to end up with #5 and #7.

[baseline bum]

Not just very unlikely, but impossible. Like you said, the Spurs only get #5 if no one moves up... but if no one moves up, then the Spurs can't get #7. There is no way for the Spurs to end up with #5 and #7.

Yeah you're right. If Spurs get #5 that means no one moved up, which means Toronto is #6 and they keep their pick. Would definitely be one of the worse scenarios for this draft.

[NickiRasgo]

This draft class so bad that I rather have Caitlin Clark to the Spurs.

[baseline bum]

https://www.spurstalk.com/spurs-big-board-1-2024-nba-draft/

Draft is pretty damn bad this year but the Spurs should get an interesting player with their pick, IMO.

And an uninteresting one with the Toronto pick?

[jjspur]

Whatever (other than top 2) pick we get, if Dillingham is there, you take him. Think of him replacing Wesley, easily an upgrade.

[The Truth #6]

we might be the only two on this forum on the McCain train. but mocks are slowly adjusting and some moved him up to late lottery. best I read was #10, but can't remember where.
I'm pretty sure when the first interviews with teams are leaked, he will once mor move up. Teams will rave about his personality and smarts. word out of Duke was, that he is a gym rat and highly coachable, so there are some more points for him. regarding this is a draft without much star potential, teams will warm up to rather take a high IQ, high energy, high character guy, who definitely can shoot, even if he lacks ideal hight and burst, than swing for the fences.
I can see Hawks pick him at 10 and the lowest he will fall is 13, Kings won't pass on a local kid, who was state champion and already is a big star in California.
so from there it isn't that far to pick 7-9. (where Spurs will pick if the Raptors pick conveys).

currently there is a good chance that Spurs pick at 5 and 7. assuming Risacher will be gone at 5, I can see them pick Castle, plus either Sheppard or McCain. Castle will measure great, I'm sure about that, likely 6'5" w/o shoes. you can play him 1, 2 and 3, on and off ball, and he will shut down either spot on defense. that will open room for a shooting combo guard, even if he isn't ideal hight.

Reading your initial post on McCain definitely got me curious about him, and I think there is a lot to like, especially in the context of this draft. Part of it is he seems like an underappreciated possibly value pick. He definitely seems like a Spurs type pic, and with his ability to make different types of outside shots, I think it would be huge for this team. He will probably have problems getting to the rim, but rebounds well and seems to play hard. I do think there might be some untapped passing ability as others have mentioned.

[heyheymymy]

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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GK08j7NWQAAiOsN?format=jpg&name=large

[Vienna]

Not just very unlikely, but impossible. Like you said, the Spurs only get #5 if no one moves up... but if no one moves up, then the Spurs can't get #7. There is no way for the Spurs to end up with #5 and #7.

yeah. Should have checked this before. my bad.
So in a two picks scenario it might be for example 4 and 7, or 6 and 7. and if my preferred combination of Risacher and McCain isn‘t possible, because Risacher is off the board, then I‘d like to see Castle and McCain, if Castle is still there.

[heyheymymy]

yeah. Should have checked this before. my bad.
So in a two picks scenario it might be for example 4 and 7, or 6 and 7. and if my preferred combination of Risacher and McCain isn‘t possible, because Risacher is off the board, then I‘d like to see Castle and McCain, if Castle is still there.

Both are fantastic combos in the event TOR conveys.

I was saying in the 2024 Draft thread to focus on guards or small wings in 2024 with Castle & McCain and then load up on some 6'8"+ players next year in the 2025 draft. By 25-26 you're balanced and deep.

[BackHome]

Yep, the 2025 has legit so much more talent it is like night and day with this class and I am not just talking about Cooper Flagg - I would cry tears of joy if we were able to get Hugo Gonzalez or Tre Johnson as I think both are going to be studs at the SG position.

[SPURt]

After reading that big board, kind of hard to get too excited

[rascal]

You think the Spurs are really going to leak out to scouts that Dillingham is their top choice?
Especially when they are projected to land in the 5-7 range.

A clever smokescreen as they have someone else at the top of their draft board.

[Mugen]

Yep, the 2025 has legit so much more talent it is like night and day with this class and I am not just talking about Cooper Flagg - I would cry tears of joy if we were able to get Hugo Gonzalez or Tre Johnson as I think both are going to be studs at the SG position.

Dylan Harper looks like their dream PG tbh. If he shows out at Rutgets this upcoming season, he's a top 3-5 pick easily and I think would be a primary Spurs target (even over Flagg tbh).

[LeBowen]

You think the Spurs are really going to leak out to scouts that Dillingham is their top choice?
Especially when they are projected to land in the 5-7 range.

A clever smokescreen as they have someone else at the top of their draft board.

Doesn't matter who the point guard target is when Wizards are the only competition for a point guard pick, others won't even consider drafting a point guard.

[ChumpDumper]

Geez, my uneducated first impression is to draft one of the Kentucky guards or trade down/out and hope the Toronto pick conveys in 2025. I can't get excited about players who can't shoot anymore; we're full.

[Knoxxx]

This was what I was thinking, Topić AND Dilly!

https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/10118310-2024-nba-mock-draft-lottery-simulation-and-full-2-round-predictions.amp.html

[spurraider21]

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[Degoat]

My personal Big Board
1. Robert Dillingham
2. Zaccharie Risacher
3. Jared McCain
4. Nikola Topic
5. Dalton Knecht

[spurraider21]

a couple of risacher highlights from his previous game appear here early on


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0A3xJW_0fo

[DPG21920]

https://www.spurstalk.com/spurs-big-board-1-2024-nba-draft/

Draft is pretty damn bad this year but the Spurs should get an interesting player with their pick, IMO.

Would be nice to get a comprehensive off season primer with what both what you’re hearing and what you think team should do. Free agency, trades and draft all encompassing plan with maybe sort of a “aggressive, normal and passive” paths laid out.

[shaq_h8ter]

Against common wisdom I would daft Edey especially if we get both 1st round picks.
Really think that two 7'4" players passing the ball to each other for dunks could break the NBA.
Also who are you going to double with Edey and Wemby on the floor?
:fro

[fafo]

Has anyone looked up Devin Carter? The more that I watch his film, the more I think he needs to given more consideration. I don't know if he's on the Dillingham or Topic level, but he's easily better than Collier to me and should be at the top of tier 2 or bottom of tier 1 point guards. Great defender and playmaker, and his shot improved this year as well. 8.7 rebounds/game, 1.8 steals, and 1 block for a 6-3 guard to go with 37% from three. Only drawback is he's 22 years old, but I don't see why he can't be on a Derrick White late bloomer trajectory.

[DPG21920]

At this point if SA gets TOR pick, I hope SA walks away with both Dillingham and Zaccharie Risacher.

Seems like a perfect outcome in terms of potential, need (shooting) and overall pedigree. I have concerns about every player and Im not overly excited about anyone at this point, but those 2 seem like it would be about as good as it can be.

If Spurs can land pick 2/3 and 7/8, I think walking away with Risacher and Dillingham would be celebrated

[spurraider21]

At this point if SA gets TOR pick, I hope SA walks away with both Dillingham and Zaccharie Risacher.

Seems like a perfect outcome in terms of potential, need (shooting) and overall pedigree. I have concerns about every player and Im not overly excited about anyone at this point, but those 2 seem like it would be about as good as it can be.

If Spurs can land pick 2/3 and 7/8, I think walking away with Risacher and Dillingham would be celebrated
thats my best case scenario

[scott]

In this draft I have a hard time seeing Dillingham fall to 7/8, but you never know!

[Rev Hill]

Watching film of Zaccharie Risacher I can't help but see Sean Elliott. Anyone seeing the same?

[Uriel]

At this point if SA gets TOR pick, I hope SA walks away with both Dillingham and Zaccharie Risacher.

Seems like a perfect outcome in terms of potential, need (shooting) and overall pedigree. I have concerns about every player and Im not overly excited about anyone at this point, but those 2 seem like it would be about as good as it can be.

If Spurs can land pick 2/3 and 7/8, I think walking away with Risacher and Dillingham would be celebrated
Would be amazing if this happens. But even Riascher and Topic or Riascher and Castle would make me happy.

If we believe timvp’s big board though, this likely isn’t going to happen, because if the Spurs land a top 3 pick, they’re using it on Dillingham, and Riascher will be long gone by 7/8.

[Degoat]

Has anyone looked up Devin Carter? The more that I watch his film, the more I think he needs to given more consideration. I don't know if he's on the Dillingham or Topic level, but he's easily better than Collier to me and should be at the top of tier 2 or bottom of tier 1 point guards. Great defender and playmaker, and his shot improved this year as well. 8.7 rebounds/game, 1.8 steals, and 1 block for a 6-3 guard to go with 37% from three. Only drawback is he's 22 years old, but I don't see why he can't be on a Derrick White late bloomer trajectory.

Big big fan of him and I totally agree he’s the leading candidate to be the Derrick White of this draft, it’s hard to see him going near the spurs pick but I see him rising to picks 12-20.

[Vienna]

I wonder why Hunter Sallis doesn't get more love. (or at least more interest)
yes, I can see, that his years with Gonzaga hurt his stock. on the other hand, he did play good defense there (or learned to play good defense), but didn't shoot well.
with Wake he shot well and played good offense. for a Junior he is still on the younger side.

what I like about him: size, body type and athleticism is pretty similar to Dejounte Murray. he has all the tools to become a DJM type defender in the NBA. combine this with some playmaking and shooting, and you might ge a very nice pick at 35.

[baseline bum]

At this point if SA gets TOR pick, I hope SA walks away with both Dillingham and Zaccharie Risacher.

Seems like a perfect outcome in terms of potential, need (shooting) and overall pedigree. I have concerns about every player and Im not overly excited about anyone at this point, but those 2 seem like it would be about as good as it can be.

If Spurs can land pick 2/3 and 7/8, I think walking away with Risacher and Dillingham would be celebrated

That would be my ideal if they're keeping the picks instead of trading for a vet, but you'd probably need to draft #2 and #3 to get Rob and Risacher.

[DPG21920]

Would be amazing if this happens. But even Riascher and Topic or Riascher and Castle would make me happy.

If we believe timvp’s big board though, this likely isn’t going to happen, because if the Spurs land a top 3 pick, they’re using it on Dillingham, and Riascher will be long gone by 7/8.

I think this draft will be fairly easy comparatively to trade up. So if Spurs need to move up they should be able to use pick 7+ some 2nds or maybe a first like CHA to do so Im guessing.