2024 NBA Off-Season Thread (FA, Trades, Extensions, Rumors)

[scott]

We're quick to give away the Hornets first in hypothetical trades, but if there are teams in the future (like PHX and NO are reported to be doing this year) who will give up a late FRP for multiple SRPs, I think I'd hang on to that Hornets pick for now.

[DPG21920]

We're quick to give away the Hornets first in hypothetical trades, but if there are teams in the future (like PHX and NO are reported to be doing this year) who will give up a late FRP for multiple SRPs, I think I'd hang on to that Hornets pick for now.

Thats a good point but I think the reason is, is that SA already has a ton of extra seconds. So it’s not that you’re wrong that 2nds are more valuable than ever, but that spurs already have excess.

But I think if CHA keeps Bridges they may legit push for play in. Im not ruling out that CHA conveying even if it’s not likely.

[Spurs Brazil]

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[mo7888]

Two Spurs like veterans who could come available if certain trades come to pass . . .

- The Pelicans are committed to starting Murphy III next season, so if Murray + for Ingram + happens, that would either render McCollum an expensive and probably disgruntled 6th man for a low budget franchise with looming financial issues or a salary dump candidate (Graham, Branham, Bassey, Hornets 1st?).

The again, the Magic might offer Anthony and a "real" 1st.

- The Kings seem determined to upgrade Barnes/Huerter/draft capital for Grant/Kuzma, etc. If it happens for Kuzma, the Wizards obviously won't have use for Barnes (Graham + Hornets 1st?).

So, are you thinking these at the draft tomorrow or later this summer?

[Mr. Body]

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The fuck is up with the first text?

Their approach -- separating process with outcome -- sounds a lot like what Pop and other good coaches say about playing the game. There are the right shots to take and there are the bad shots to take. Even if you take a bad shot and it goes in, that doesn't make it a good shot. You can miss good shots, but the coach will still praise you, because that's the shot that should be taken.

Their draft/offseason approach seems to be the same. They have ideas of what sorts of things they want to accomplish and will try for them. They won't be deterred if a move doesn't work out; it's just a shot that didn't go in. Now, the question is whether the process is correct in its details, but that's another matter.

[TD 21]

So, are you thinking these at the draft tomorrow or later this summer?

Later, if at all.

I'm not a McCollum fan and would rather Brogdon in the likely event they select Castle, but the fit would be similar.

[Mr. Body]

Thats a good point but I think the reason is, is that SA already has a ton of extra seconds. So it’s not that you’re wrong that 2nds are more valuable than ever, but that spurs already have excess.

But I think if CHA keeps Bridges they may legit push for play in. Im not ruling out that CHA conveying even if it’s not likely.

The Spurs are swimming in SRPs, but they're from playoff teams - Miami, New Orleans, Indiana, OKC, etc. - so they're not really that great individually. Probably mid-round for many of them.

Those Charlotte SRPs will be in 2026 and 2027 and they may not be great, probably in the 40s, but I have little faith in the Hornets ever turning it too much around.

[spurraider21]

The fuck is up with the first text?

Their approach -- separating process with outcome -- sounds a lot like what Pop and other good coaches say about playing the game. There are the right shots to take and there are the bad shots to take. Even if you take a bad shot and it goes in, that doesn't make it a good shot. You can miss good shots, but the coach will still praise you, because that's the shot that should be taken.

Their draft/offseason approach seems to be the same. They have ideas of what sorts of things they want to accomplish and will try for them. They won't be deterred if a move doesn't work out; it's just a shot that didn't go in. Now, the question is whether the process is correct in its details, but that's another matter.
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Then commented: Can’t build something sustainable any other way. I’m sure the folks in OKC are pretty happy with the way Presti has taken his time and moved strategically.

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Thats a good point but I think the reason is, is that SA already has a ton of extra seconds. So it’s not that you’re wrong that 2nds are more valuable than ever, but that spurs already have excess.

But I think if CHA keeps Bridges they may legit push for play in. Im not ruling out that CHA conveying even if it’s not likely.

I'll believe SRPs are valuable when it happens. I'm an outlier in tgat regard on this board, I'll acknowledge but I think our SRP stockpile gas been worthless to date.

[objective]

"We R very Strategical." - B.Wright as he sends in Josh Promo's name to be drafted.

[Dejounte]

BOOM! Bridges traded to Knicks

[BatManu20]

What a haul for BKN damn. For a 3rd tier star in Bridges. Nuts.

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[RC_Drunkford]

Knicks just got fleeced

[RC_Drunkford]

has any NBA team ever paid more for a player? And a borderline All-Star at that :lol

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[Mr. Body]

Uh what's happening with Anunoby

[BatManu20]

They traded all that for Bridges instead of just re-signing OG Anunoby outright :lol

[Degoat]

And just like the knicks/nets just set the market on players. Ain’t no way teams settle for anything less than that for players on par with Bridges. Anybody dreaming of Lauri Markkanen no chance lol

[CGD]

Damn they REALLY wanted that Nova reunion!

I mean some of those FRPs will be in the 20s, but that is still quite a price.

[BatManu20]

They traded all that for Bridges instead of just re-signing OG Anunoby outright :lol

He’s looking for a Max. They didn’t think he was worth it.

[objective]

Lol made Brooklyn send that second rounder with Bridges

[Mr. Body]

The league is back to throwing picks around like candy.

Sets the market for Garland, Murray, etc. Lol no thanks.

[spurraider21]

man, i was giving brooklyn a lot of shit for putting too high a price tag on bridges but they did very well

[Degoat]

On a side note, wonder what it would take to get Cam Johnson?

[SpursBills]

Damn, Rockets about to get Cooper Flagg/Traore and Dybantsa/Boozer next two years

[djohn2oo8]

man, i was giving brooklyn a lot of shit for putting too high a price tag on bridges but they did very well
They’re going to be complete shit next year and Houston controls their picks lol

[BatManu20]

At least Bridges won’t have to relocate tbh.

[djohn2oo8]

Damn, Rockets about to get Cooper Flagg/Traore and Dybantsa/Boozer next two years
Harden tanking his way out of town paying unbelievable dividends

[Leetonidas]

Houston fans nutting themselves rn

[BatManu20]

Damn, Rockets about to get Cooper Flagg/Traore and Dybantsa/Boozer next two years

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[CGD]

The league is back to throwing picks around like candy.

Sets the market for Garland, Murray, etc. Lol no thanks.

Sort of?

- MIL 25FRP: likely in 20s
- NYK 25FRP: likely in 20s
- NYK 27FRP: possibly in 20s

The real value is the 28 swap, 29 and 31.

[BatManu20]

This is wild.

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[RC_Drunkford]

they want the corpse of KD :lmao

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[RC_Drunkford]

man let's hope the Rockets can trade for KD in 2025 while sending the Suns Jabari Smith and 5 first round picks so both of those teams are trash in the long run

[Mr. Body]

They’re going to be complete shit next year and Houston controls their picks lol

Not anymore

[CGD]

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Wait so should Sean Marks be fired or win GM of the year for all this maneuvering? 😂

[djohn2oo8]

Not anymore
Now they control the Suns picks. Not bad.

[CGD]

they want the corpse of KD :lmao

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This is some dumb shit

[scott]

Damn Knicks wyd?!!?

That's nuts. And I fucking hate how it helps the Rockets.

Surely more moves from both NYK and BKN coming.

Vecenie live during his mock draft thinks that this won't impact them resigning OG at all.

[objective]

ATL picks might have just lost a little value, no way Brooklyn finishes with a better record anytime soon

[BatManu20]

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[djohn2oo8]

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No KD thank God

[mystargtr34]

Two Spurs like veterans who could come available if certain trades come to pass . . .

- The Pelicans are committed to starting Murphy III next season, so if Murray + for Ingram + happens, that would either render McCollum an expensive and probably disgruntled 6th man for a low budget franchise with looming financial issues or a salary dump candidate (Graham, Branham, Bassey, Hornets 1st?).

The again, the Magic might offer Anthony and a "real" 1st.

- The Kings seem determined to upgrade Barnes/Huerter/draft capital for Grant/Kuzma, etc. If it happens for Kuzma, the Wizards obviously won't have use for Barnes (Graham + Hornets 1st?).

McCollum at the 1 is not a bad fit on the Spurs. Much needed shooting and scoring with a bit of playmaking mixed in.

[scott]

LOL nevermind about the Rockets... Sean Marks is cooking on the rebuild. Seems like fair value back for the Rockets.

[scott]

Shake this league up!!! Love it.

[Seventyniner]

Damn Knicks wyd?!!?

That's nuts. And I fucking hate how it helps the Rockets.

Surely more moves from both NYK and BKN coming.

Vecenie live during his mock draft thinks that this won't impact them resigning OG at all.

The Knicks are going to pay OG on top of getting Bridges and probably giving Hartenstein a new deal too? I haven't run the numbers but that has to take them well into the tax, right?

[Seventyniner]

Shake this league up!!! Love it.

Bring on the chaos. I think Wright will shine in this kind of environment with this many assets to work with.

[scott]

The Knicks are going to pay OG on top of getting Bridges and probably giving Hartenstein a new deal too? I haven't run the numbers but that has to take them well into the tax, right?

Yeah it's pretty wild. The luxury that being a New York team gives you.

What an all-in move by the Knicks, and the didn't give up either of their picks this year. Wonder if we could get one of those for some SRPs to help them out with the cap.

Vecenie is saying Bridges asked for a trade to the Knicks.

[scott]

Bring on the chaos. I think Wright will shine in this kind of environment with this many assets to work with.

I agree... trades are Wright's wheelhouse and where I trust this FO more than anywhere else (drafting, FA)

[CGD]

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But how are those Suns picks better than the Nets picks? Makes no sense.

[Seventyniner]

But how are those Suns picks better than the Nets picks? Makes no sense.

It looks like the main asset Brooklyn got in the trade with the Rockets was control of their own 2025 pick back. The Nets are gonna tank hard this year.

[djohn2oo8]

But how are those Suns picks better than the Nets picks? Makes no sense.
Suns are going to blow it up and got assets further out. Also, Rox gonna have to make a jump soon.

[Seventyniner]

But how are those Suns picks better than the Nets picks? Makes no sense.

It looks like the main asset Brooklyn got in the trade with the Rockets was control of their own 2025 pick back. The Nets are gonna tank hard this year.

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[CGD]

It looks like the main asset Brooklyn got in the trade with the Rockets was control of their own 2025 pick back. The Nets are gonna tank hard this year.

It’s highway robbery for the Nets, I get that. What I don’t get is the logic for Houston. Id assume the Nets picks are better than the Suns picks no? And is it really about KD!?

I’m sure I’m missing something.

[Seventyniner]

It’s highway robbery for the Nets, I get that. What I don’t get is the logic for Houston. Id assume the Nets picks are better than the Suns picks no? And is it really about KD!?

I’m sure I’m missing something.

There are too many moving parts in that trade for me to keep track of. The Rockets had an unprotected swap with the Nets in 2025 and that is one hell of an asset to give up. I'm sure the Nets made the two deals (Knicks and Rockets) contingent on both happening. There would be no reason to trade Bridges if they didn't get control of their own 2025 pick, and no reason to get control of their 2025 pick if they didn't plan on tearing it down (including trading Bridges).

[djohn2oo8]

It’s highway robbery for the Nets, I get that. What I don’t get is the logic for Houston. Id assume the Nets picks are better than the Suns picks no? And is it really about KD!?

I’m sure I’m missing something.
Still have a lot of draft picks. But it seems like they are going to make a major trade. Just hope not for KD.

[Mr. Body]

Nets got out of the mess they were in for the next couple of years which is impressive.

[SpursBills]

It’s highway robbery for the Nets, I get that. What I don’t get is the logic for Houston. Id assume the Nets picks are better than the Suns picks no? And is it really about KD!?

I’m sure I’m missing something.

Marks probably told Stone that he refused to tank without his own picks back; Stone probably calculated the risk of Brooklyn signing another semi-star or using significant cap room to sign vets in the next year or two to pair with Bridges (and getting a pick in the early teens) was greater than the dumpster fire that is Phoenix in 2027 and beyond and made a business decision

[CGD]

Still have a lot of draft picks. But it seems like they are going to make a major trade. Just hope not for KD.

Maybe they’re gonna overwhelm CLE with a package for Mitchell?

[SpursFan86]

Suns are going to blow it up and got assets further out. Also, Rox gonna have to make a jump soon.

So I get the thought process if the aim is to land KD (Suns will be more inclined to part with him if they get their picks back)…but let’s assume the Rockets want to land some other win-now stars. Couldn’t they have done that by dealing the Nets picks? Feels like the Nets 2025 and 2026 picks might be some of the most valuable assets in the league, no? Guess I’m not still not entirely sure what advantage it gives them.

[exstatic]

And just like the knicks/nets just set the market on players. Ain’t no way teams settle for anything less than that for players on par with Bridges. Anybody dreaming of Lauri Markkanen no chance lol

That had no chance anyway. Ainge was probably already asking 6 FRPs.

[BacktoBasics]

It looks like the main asset Brooklyn got in the trade with the Rockets was control of their own 2025 pick back. The Nets are gonna tank hard this year.

There are a few players on the Nets roster we should look at.

[CGD]

Nets got out of the mess they were in for the next couple of years which is impressive.

If I’m understanding this right, yes. And Marks should win GM of the year immediately.

[CGD]

So I get the thought process if the aim is to land KD (Suns will be more inclined to part with him if they get their picks back)…but let’s assume the Rockets want to land some other win-now stars. Couldn’t they have done that by dealing the Nets picks? Feels like the Nets 2025 and 2026 picks might be some of the most valuable assets in the league, no? Guess I’m not still not entirely sure what advantage it gives them.

Exactly.

I’m sure we’ll learn more soon tho.

[djohn2oo8]

Marks probably told Stone that he refused to tank without his own picks back; Stone probably calculated the risk of Brooklyn signing another semi-star or using significant cap room to sign vets in the next year or two to pair with Bridges (and getting a pick in the early teens) was greater than the dumpster fire that is Phoenix in 2027 and beyond and made a business decision
Yeah. Phoenix being a dumpster fire is imminent.

[Seventyniner]

There are a few players on the Nets roster we should look at.

I agree. The Spurs seem to want to pivot to winning now, and the Spurs have cap room and extra picks. The Nets aren't quite as natural of trading partners with the Spurs as the Hawks are, but it's still a good match.

This is where Wright needs to make his hay.

[djohn2oo8]

So I get the thought process if the aim is to land KD (Suns will be more inclined to part with him if they get their picks back)…but let’s assume the Rockets want to land some other win-now stars. Couldn’t they have done that by dealing the Nets picks? Feels like the Nets 2025 and 2026 picks might be some of the most valuable assets in the league, no? Guess I’m not still not entirely sure what advantage it gives them.

you’re right. Unless there is a deal lined up in which the other team values the Suns picks more

[CGD]

I agree. The Spurs seem to want to pivot to winning now, and the Spurs have cap room and extra picks. The Nets aren't quite as natural of trading partners with the Spurs as the Hawks are, but it's still a good match.

This is where Wright needs to make his hay.

The rest of the Nets roster is trash. Can Johnson is 29 already and not particularly good either

[djohn2oo8]

I wonder if it’s for Booker

[exstatic]

There are a few players on the Nets roster we should look at.

Cam Johnson, for sure.

[CGD]

I wonder if it’s for Booker

That would be something. Houston could send a very nice package for players and picks for Book. Smith, Eason, Green, picks…

[exstatic]

The rest of the Nets roster is trash. Can Johnson is 29 already and not particularly good either

He’s a forward that shoots the 3 ball at a high level, and has been to the Finals.

[Mr. Body]

Hard to keep track, but I think BKN keeps some of the Phoenix picks they got for Durant, plus this wad from the Knicks. Those won't be exceptional, but they're not nothing. The total haul they got for Durant is pretty great all told.

HOU says they want a star right now. That's... Durant? Paul George? I hope they get one of the old guys and try to contend too soon.

[SpursBills]

So basically Nets Durant got traded for Cam Johnson and 9 first rounders, 2 second rounders, and a pick swap - so far.

EDIT: Considering Durant signed in Brooklyn as a sign and trade, it's basically like Marks got all the draft capital out of thin air for - D'Angelo Russell.

Cook.

[BacktoBasics]

Bridges to Knicks. Wonder if they let Anonoby walk.

[BacktoBasics]

The Knicks will send Bojan Bogdanovic, four unprotected first-round picks (2025, 2027, 2029, 2031), a 2025 protected first-rounder via the Milwaukee Bucks, a 2028 unprotected pick swap and a 2025 second-rounder to the Nets, sources said.

[Eaglenole2002]

Jeez… how are the Spurs supposed to land a big fish via trade when a player like Mikal Brodges is going for 5 firsts? Insanity.

[SpursDynasty85]

But how are those Suns picks better than the Nets picks? Makes no sense.

It fits the timeline for the Rockets. They have too many young guys and will need to start paying them starting around 2026&2027. They then load up on what is presumably good draft picks because Beal and KD will be near retirement and Booker is all that’s left. They will likely miss the playoffs.

[djohn2oo8]

That would be something. Houston could send a very nice package for players and picks for Book. Smith, Eason, Green, picks…
Yep. Looks like it

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[td4mvp2k]

Durant to Houston make it happen :lol

[CGD]

Bridges to Knicks. Wonder if they let Anonoby walk.

I think they’ll look to offload Randall before they do that.

[SpursFan86]

Bridges to Knicks. Wonder if they let Anonoby walk.

Woj tweeted they’re still determined to keep OG. Hartenstein is probably gone, though.

[Mr. Body]

Word seems to be they'll resign Anunoby and try to move Randle, yeah.

[BacktoBasics]

Word seems to be they'll resign Anunoby and try to move Randle, yeah.

I view Bridges as closer to OG than Randle but maybe they view Randle as the weaker point. Big gamble if OG can’t stay healthy. Not that Randle is much better.

[scott]

Another thing to consider why this makes sense for Houston is that the are already loaded with young talent and are in a position where continuing to add highly drafted rookies doesn't really fit the timeline and what they want to do now. This pushes that timeline out, which makes a lot of sense for them.

For that same reason, it makes sense that Houston would be interested in moving out of 3. Maybe that gets involved in a bigger deal here.

Here is a REAL crazy idea... but MEM is supposedly interested in Clingan. How about a package for #3, some other picks, and maybe some of their young players for Ja? Maybe he has worn out his welcome in Memphis. If you clear out Jalen Green, Ja might be a good fit.

[BacktoBasics]

Brunson and Bridges is a good fit in my opinion.

[Chinook]

Bring on the chaos. I think Wright will shine in this kind of environment with this many assets to work with.

I'm skeptical. Like do I think the Spurs could get a couple of firsts for Devin Vassell in this environment? Maybe. But it's like selling your house in Austin during the height of the bubble. Sure, you got a huge payout, but since every other home costs a million dollars, it's not like you've actually made any money.

This isn't a buyer's market. It's lucky for the Spurs they got some legit value in the seller's market of 2022, but I hope they aren't trying to make a trade for an established player on a long-term contract right now.

[djohn2oo8]

Another thing to consider why this makes sense for Houston is that the are already loaded with young talent and are in a position where continuing to add highly drafted rookies doesn't really fit the timeline and what they want to do now. This pushes that timeline out, which makes a lot of sense for them.

For that same reason, it makes sense that Houston would be interested in moving out of 3. Maybe that gets involved in a bigger deal here.

Here is a REAL crazy idea... but MEM is supposedly interested in Clingan. How about a package for #3, some other picks, and maybe some of their young players for Ja? Maybe he has worn out his welcome in Memphis. If you clear out Jalen Green, Ja might be a good fit.
Ja is a move I had in the back of my mind.

[Mr. Body]

Brunson and Bridges is a good fit in my opinion.

I wonder if they've played together before.

[djohn2oo8]

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[lrrr]

There are a few players on the Nets roster we should look at.

Ben Simmons
Whooooooooooooooo

[BacktoBasics]

I wonder if they've played together before.

You SOB :flipoff:spin

[Mr. Body]

I view Bridges as closer to OG than Randle but maybe they view Randle as the weaker point. Big gamble if OG can’t stay healthy. Not that Randle is much better.

Randle is a ballsticker and a malcontent. I think they'd be trying to get rid of him even before this trade. Not sure who would want him.

[scott]

Wild that we've have some significant trades ahead of the draft, none of them involving any assets from this draft.

[gilmor2002]

Brunson and Bridges is a good fit in my opinion.

I also think the same; but I got a feeling Knicks still can't beat the Pacers; let alone the Celtics

[Mr. Body]

I also think the same; but I got a feeling Knicks still can't beat the Pacers; let alone the Celtics

Celtics will get beat by a healthy team next year. They had a very easy run this year.

[R. DeMurre]

I read the Knicks were interested in Goga Bitadze-- landing him means saving money & trading one of Robinson or Hartenstein (which would be a sign and trade)

Bridges and OG as forwards are a tad undersized, unless they plan on going big w/ Mikal at SG and OG at SF... interesting developments, but it seems some consolidation trade must be in the works, and Randle feels like the obvious trade piece.

[BacktoBasics]

I also think the same; but I got a feeling Knicks still can't beat the Pacers; let alone the Celtics

Knicks made a solid run with half the team injured

[Seventyniner]

I'm skeptical. Like do I think the Spurs could get a couple of firsts for Devin Vassell in this environment? Maybe. But it's like selling your house in Austin during the height of the bubble. Sure, you got a huge payout, but since every other home costs a million dollars, it's not like you've actually made any money.

This isn't a buyer's market. It's lucky for the Spurs they got some legit value in the seller's market of 2022, but I hope they aren't trying to make a trade for an established player on a long-term contract right now.

I didn't mean that Wright should be selling off the few non-Wemby assets the Spurs have for even more picks. Perhaps I am guilty of assuming that since he has made good trades in the past to stockpile future assets at the expense of making the team worse in the short term, that he would be equally adept at spending the assets wisely to help the team be better next season and in the near future.

[scott]

Keith Smith has a lot of good info about the Knicks cap situation after this deal on his twitter feed: https://x.com/KeithSmithNBA

He seems very confident the Knicks cap management team will find a way to avoid being hard capped so they can resign OG.

[itzsoweezee]

The nova Knicks. What the hell is going on?

[Chinook]

I didn't mean that Wright should be selling off the few non-Wemby assets the Spurs have for even more picks. Perhaps I am guilty of assuming that since he has made good trades in the past to stockpile future assets at the expense of making the team worse in the short term, that he would be equally adept at spending the assets wisely to help the team be better next season and in the near future.

What I'm saying is that this doesn't seem to be the market for spending wisely. It seems to be the market for taking advantage of teams spending unwisely.

If anything, I think the Spurs might have a buyer's advantage at the deadline when so few teams have firsts they can offer. Otherwise, I see the Spurs' buyer future connected more to their ability to leverage value out of the Hawks (either through a trade similar to the HOU/BRK one today or through being the third team in a Murray or Young deal as I suggested in my first mock off-season). Otherwise, THEY'RE the team paying the premium for lesser stars, and they absolutely shouldn't be doing that.

[Seventyniner]

What I'm saying is that this doesn't seem to be the market for spending wisely. It seems to be the market for taking advantage of teams spending unwisely.

If anything, I think the Spurs might have a buyer's advantage at the deadline when so few teams have firsts they can offer. Otherwise, I see the Spurs' buyer future connected more to their ability to leverage value out of the Hawks (either through a trade similar to the HOU/BRK one today or through being the third team in a Murray or Young deal as I suggested in my first mock off-season). Otherwise, THEY'RE the team paying the premium for lesser stars, and they absolutely shouldn't be doing that.

Has this viewpoint been affected by the Nets/Knicks deal? In that it no longer seems wise for the Spurs to trade picks for an established player because the market has been set very high?

[gilmor2002]

Celtics will get beat by a healthy team next year. They had a very easy run this year.

Celtics are lucky against the Pacers; If JB never make the 3 pointer; this can easily go 7 games.

Pacers is really a sleeper's team; they have so many weapons.

[BacktoBasics]

Has this viewpoint been affected by the Nets/Knicks deal? In that it no longer seems wise for the Spurs to trade picks for an established player because the market has been set very high?

I doubt it changes much. Everyone knew the Knicks were gonna unload their capital for a piece to make a run.

They were gonna overpay if given the opportunity and the Nets had to budge.

I’m not sure there’s another team like the Nets out there that would align with that level of overpay.

[scott]

What I'm saying is that this doesn't seem to be the market for spending wisely. It seems to be the market for taking advantage of teams spending unwisely.

If anything, I think the Spurs might have a buyer's advantage at the deadline when so few teams have firsts they can offer. Otherwise, I see the Spurs' buyer future connected more to their ability to leverage value out of the Hawks (either through a trade similar to the HOU/BRK one today or through being the third team in a Murray or Young deal as I suggested in my first mock off-season). Otherwise, THEY'RE the team paying the premium for lesser stars, and they absolutely shouldn't be doing that.

I would respectfully counter that it may be too early to view this Bridges deal as market setting. Also, that the picks BKN acquired in this deal are all projected late FRPs (though anything can happen). Will be interesting to see if any other big deals materialize.

If the Bridges move is market setting, it puts ATL in an even more awkward position where on one hand they have a chance to tell Trae or DJM high to replenish the war chest, while on the other hand doing so would help the Spurs (absent a deal similar to BKN-HOU, but ATL doesn't have anything to make it worthwhile for the Spurs right now).

[Dverde]

https://x.com/esidery/status/1805801453648335099 DFM or Cam Johnson anyone?

[R. DeMurre]

The slew of FRPs seemed pretty crazy at first, but they mostly figure to be picks in the 20s and if you imagine a scenario where two picks in the 20s get you one in the late teens, it's not all that steep-- it's possibly not even the equivalent of the #4 and #8 picks in a typical draft year. For a team like the Knicks who feel like they're one move away from making the conference finals, I can understand it.

[Chinook]

Has this viewpoint been affected by the Nets/Knicks deal? In that it no longer seems wise for the Spurs to trade picks for an established player because the market has been set very high?

My viewpoint this whole year has been that such a trade would be unwise, so this market-affirming deal just makes that more clear to me. But it's becoming less possible for the Spurs to find a good deal for an older vet given that there are still teams who have futures they haven't thrown away yet. As I was mentioning, it'd have to be the right kind of deal where the Spurs' assets are sold at a premium rather than the Spurs paying the premium for another team's assets. I only see such a trade going through Atlanta. MAYBE the Spurs could make something happen with Chicago. But even that has deals far beyond where the Spurs should be entertaining right now.

It's feeling like it might be a year where the Spurs' best play in the market being a depository for salary to complete the square for teams trying to wheel and deal in a world of two aprons and the new CBA kicking in.

[RC_Drunkford]

The Knicks will send Bojan Bogdanovic, four unprotected first-round picks (2025, 2027, 2029, 2031), a 2025 protected first-rounder via the Milwaukee Bucks, a 2028 unprotected pick swap and a 2025 second-rounder to the Nets, sources said.

Even half of that would be too much

[rascal]

Jeez… how are the Spurs supposed to land a big fish via trade when a player like Mikal Brodges is going for 5 firsts? Insanity.

They're going to have to send a bunch of their first round picks if they want a star, not the lowball wish offers the people on this site thinks up.

[kxs783kms]

They're going to have to send a bunch of their first round picks if they want a star, not the lowball wish offers the people on this site thinks up.

I don't believe this to be true. A lot of these stars want to play with Wemby and the Spurs know that. Some of these teams will have to take the best offer they can get or wait and lose them in free agency. The Spurs are in no rush I believe. They hold the cards and can be real patient with what they want to do. If they can't land the star they may want on their terms, then they can easily wait it out. Just my opinion.

[Ariel]

https://x.com/esidery/status/1805801453648335099 DFM or Cam Johnson anyone?
Depending on the price, sure. I am definitely interested, and Brooklyn should be offloading him soon as he doesn´t match their rebuilding efforts. I'm having a hard time coming up with a price though, I don't want to give up first rounders for him and there aren't many expendable players on our roster that should pique Brooklyn's interest. Two possible paths:
A) Trade centered around Keldon. I wouldn´t give up any picks, perhaps Branham or Wesley. Spurs turn ill fitting pieces into others that fit better without spending draft capital, Brooklyn goes younger and takes a chance to rehabilitate Keldon's trade value.
B) Trade centered around Zach Collins and a future first round pick, lottery protected, a few years down the road when the Spurs are supposed to be good. Throw in a couple projects and/or a few 2nd rounders as needed. Spurs spend some non significant draft capital but fill a need and get rid of a bad contract, while Brooklyn adds to the war chest of picks.

The target I'd be most interested in is actually Coby White from Chicago, young and rising PG with good positional size and shooting, I don't think they'll want to part with him but it wouldn't hurt to ask. Offer could start at Keldon plus Chicago's pick back plus future Spurs first (say 28) lightly protected (say 8-8-8). Throw in Charlotte's first and second rounders as needed.

Every new team that commits to the tank offers opportunities, these are some Spurs should explore IMO.

[Ariel]

The slew of FRPs seemed pretty crazy at first, but they mostly figure to be picks in the 20s and if you imagine a scenario where two picks in the 20s get you one in the late teens, it's not all that steep-- it's possibly not even the equivalent of the #4 and #8 picks in a typical draft year. For a team like the Knicks who feel like they're one move away from making the conference finals, I can understand it.'
I've long said this: people like to say x number of picks, but not all are created equal, and Spurs war chest of picks is much more valuable that your typical traded first. Spurs shouldn't so easily let go of high potential picks for pseudo stars like Trae, they should aim at improving the roster in a cost efficient way until a true opportunity presents itself, which is a matter of time. People often argue for spending picks just because the Spurs have them, but if you take a look at OKC, Presti is very careful with how he spends his capital because he knows he needs to fund a long term contender with it, and it becomes expensive: players leave, some contracts turn sour and you need to dump them, injuries happen, etc. Being careful means you'll have the resources when you truly need them.

[T Park]

The 8 is 100% worth trading for Cam Johnson

[Bruno]

A consequence of the Bridges trade for Spurs is that it negatively impact the 2025 Hawks first round pick.

Nets, Pistons, Wizards and Hornets all should be damn bad next season and they might be joined Raptors and Bulls. Even if Hawks struggle and have injuries, they should win more than 30 games next year.

Hawks 2025 first round pick well be at, let's say, 80% a mid first round pick in the 11th to 20th range. It is a great asset but it isn't some kind holy grail that should only be dealt for a top10 player. If there is a player Spurs like, they shouldn't hesitate to trade this pick. Spurs could always add a top4 protection on it to cover something crazy happening during the lottery.

Saying that, using the 2025 Hawks first round pick (even top4 protected) to move up from #4 to #1 today would still suck.

[DAF86]

I view Bridges as closer to OG than Randle but maybe they view Randle as the weaker point. Big gamble if OG can’t stay healthy. Not that Randle is much better.

Yeah, Bridges is closer to OG than Randle. Bridges and OG are 3/4 while Randle is more of an old school pure 4. Old school pure 4 are almost useless in today's NBA, unless they can become full-time centers. Just look at the Celtics, their centers are former power Forwards (Porzingis and Horford) while they start two 3/4 at the forward positions (Tatum and Brown). Getting Bridges and getting rid of Randle is the right decision by the Knicks.

[Dverde]

The 8 is 100% worth trading for Cam Johnson

He’s contract is about 23M for the next three years. I could see teams offering them additional picks for him especially if they are trading back a bad salary in exchange.

[objective]

A consequence of the Bridges trade for Spurs is that it negatively impact the 2025 Hawks first round pick.

Nets, Pistons, Wizards and Hornets all should be damn bad next season and they might be joined Raptors and Bulls. Even if Hawks struggle and have injuries, they should win less than 30 games next year.

Hawks 2025 first round pick well be at, let's say, 80% a mid first round pick in the 11th to 20th range. It is a great asset but it isn't some kind holy grail that should only be dealt for a top10 player. If there is a player Spurs like, they shouldn't hesitate to trade this pick. Spurs could always add a top4 protection on it to cover something crazy happening during the lottery.

Saying that, using the 2025 Hawks first round pick (even top4 protected) to move up from #4 to #1 today would still suck.

Exactly, I had it the same about the crap teams in the east

[Ariel]

A consequence of the Bridges trade for Spurs is that it negatively impact the 2025 Hawks first round pick.

Nets, Pistons, Wizards and Hornets all should be damn bad next season and they might be joined Raptors and Bulls. Even if Hawks struggle and have injuries, they should win less than 30 games next year.

Hawks 2025 first round pick well be at, let's say, 80% a mid first round pick in the 11th to 20th range. It is a great asset but it isn't some kind holy grail that should only be dealt for a top10 player. If there is a player Spurs like, they shouldn't hesitate to trade this pick. Spurs could always add a top4 protection on it to cover something crazy happening during the lottery.

Saying that, using the 2025 Hawks first round pick (even top4 protected) to move up from #4 to #1 today would still suck.
Forgot about and Portland and Utah. Brooklyn, Detroit, Washington, Charlotte and Portland will clearly be tanking, with Chicago, Utah and Toronto also being in the bottom 10. Atlanta comes in after this group, Spurs range should be 9/10 and Atlanta probably 9-14, but they can add up to the same top 4 chance as a worse team (say, 9+10 ~ 7). Spurs should probably settle for that, there will be almost as much competition for the tank as there will be for the title, and with Wemby improving plus (hopefully) a couple good picks, Spurs won't be able to get a much better seed than 9/10 IMO.

[DAF86]

They’re going to be complete shit next year and Houston controls their picks lol

Rockets fans getting blue-balled. :lol

[baseline bum]

WTF are the Rockets doing? If they're about winning now they could have easily beat the Knicks offer by giving the Nets their picks back. If they're not about winning right now what are they doing giving away that 25 unprotected swap and 26 unprotected pick in stacked drafts? So they can hope like hell the Suns are ready to move from Booker at the deadline? I don't get it at all unless they know Durant is going to ask for a trade again. If the Rockets don't have rock solid intel that Durant will force a trade to Houston this move is beyond moronic.

[DPG21920]

A consequence of the Bridges trade for Spurs is that it negatively impact the 2025 Hawks first round pick.

Nets, Pistons, Wizards and Hornets all should be damn bad next season and they might be joined Raptors and Bulls. Even if Hawks struggle and have injuries, they should win more than 30 games next year.

Hawks 2025 first round pick well be at, let's say, 80% a mid first round pick in the 11th to 20th range. It is a great asset but it isn't some kind holy grail that should only be dealt for a top10 player. If there is a player Spurs like, they shouldn't hesitate to trade this pick. Spurs could always add a top4 protection on it to cover something crazy happening during the lottery.

Saying that, using the 2025 Hawks first round pick (even top4 protected) to move up from #4 to #1 today would still suck.

I would only trade ATL 25 for pick 1 straight up. Spurs keep 4 and 8.

[DPG21920]

WTF are the Rockets doing? If they're about winning now they could have easily beat the Knicks offer by giving the Nets their picks back. If they're not about winning right now what are they doing giving away that 25 unprotected swap and 26 unprotected pick in stacked drafts? So they can hope like hell the Suns are ready to move from Booker at the deadline? I don't get it at all unless they know Durant is going to ask for a trade again. If the Rockets don't have rock solid intel that Durant will force a trade to Houston this move is beyond moronic.

BKY would not have done the deal with NY if HOU didnt agree. HOU understood that if they didn’t do this deal that BKY would have kept Bridges and added to their team and pushed for play in etc and odds of them getting a great pick would be somewhat diminished (like spurs with ATL if they dont blow it up).

But the deal doesnt happen with NY unless HOU was in.

[DPG21920]

What I'm saying is that this doesn't seem to be the market for spending wisely. It seems to be the market for taking advantage of teams spending unwisely.

If anything, I think the Spurs might have a buyer's advantage at the deadline when so few teams have firsts they can offer. Otherwise, I see the Spurs' buyer future connected more to their ability to leverage value out of the Hawks (either through a trade similar to the HOU/BRK one today or through being the third team in a Murray or Young deal as I suggested in my first mock off-season). Otherwise, THEY'RE the team paying the premium for lesser stars, and they absolutely shouldn't be doing that.

Ya I think you have a great read on the situation. Spurs are not good enough yet to take wild swings and give up all the extra capital on one guy yet. It doesnt make sense unless it’s someone young that truly fits next to Wemby with a timeline of 8+ years and has superstar quality (Cade, not Trae).

I do think there’s opportunities for trades using some picks like CHA, CHI, 2nds and even an ATL pick like 25 (for a really good player) but overall, they should just be looking for value still IMO.

[quentin_compson]

Are the Knicks trying to emulate the Celtics' roster construction with the Brigdes trade? If so, I don't know if that is such a great idea for them. Their biggest problem in the 2024 Playoffs (besides running out of healthy players Thibs trusted enough to give minutes to) was not having someone other than Brunson who can create high level offense for themselves and/or others. Does Bridges really move the needle on that front? I very much doubt it.
To me, the Knicks certainly got better with this trade, but not that much closer to being a true contender. But well, we'll have to see what might still happen with OG, Randle, and Hartenstein.

[JPB]

They're going to have to send a bunch of their first round picks if they want a star, not the lowball wish offers the people on this site thinks up.

Yup, that's what I've modestly trying to say several times in this thread, when I see some trade ideas... You just can't have even borderline all star/ elite role players at a decent price nowadays, no matter how you wait or because of their contractual situation. And the value of FRPs have decreased compared to proven talent.

That's the reality of the market today. Spurs are not the only team in the NBA wanting/needing to upgrade. There's always will be someone else ready to put a huge offer for those players if they believe that'll make them closer to contend. and this is a good move for the Knicks if you ask me (not like we're talking about a bunch of future top 5-10 picks). They had to boost their package because other teams were reportedly making big offers too for Bridges, notably Utah (which could indicate they don't wanna tank and want to renew Lauri (who by the way would cost a haul too).

[tbdog]

Are the Knicks trying to emulate the Celtics' roster construction with the Brigdes trade? If so, I don't know if that is such a great idea for them. Their biggest problem in the 2024 Playoffs (besides running out of healthy players Thibs trusted enough to give minutes to) was not having someone other than Brunson who can create high level offense for themselves and/or others. Does Bridges really move the needle on that front? I very much doubt it.
To me, the Knicks certainly got better with this trade, but not that much closer to being a true contender. But well, we'll have to see what might still happen with OG, Randle, and Hartenstein.

They are more like trying to build a team to beat the Celtics.

[tbdog]

Ya I think you have a great read on the situation. Spurs are not good enough yet to take wild swings and give up all the extra capital on one guy yet. It doesnt make sense unless it’s someone young that truly fits next to Wemby with a timeline of 8+ years and has superstar quality (Cade, not Trae).

I do think there’s opportunities for trades using some picks like CHA, CHI, 2nds and even an ATL pick like 25 (for a really good player) but overall, they should just be looking for value still IMO.

Spurs offer pistons that Knicks deal for Cade. Do the pistons accept?

[Pauleta14]

they want the corpse of KD :lmao

1805786890185900180

KD wouldn't have to carry a huge role in Houston tho, he'd be a great mentor for their youngsters

I hate it as a Spurs fan

[Dejounte]

KD wouldn't have to carry a huge role in Houston tho, he'd be a great mentor for their youngsters

I hate it as a Spurs fan

Let them hit their peak early rather than them having the chance to become any sort of a juggernaut for a decade like the Nuggets or Celtics are bound to be. Any Durant led team is always short-lived. We have seen this show before.

[Ariel]

Let them hit their peak early rather than them having the chance to become any sort of a juggernaut for a decade like the Nuggets or Celtics are bound to be. Any Durant led team is always short-lived. We have seen this show before.
Best thing that could happen to the Spurs tbh

[Pauleta14]

Let them hit their peak early rather than them having the chance to become any sort of a juggernaut for a decade like the Nuggets or Celtics are bound to be. Any Durant led team is always short-lived. We have seen this show before.

Let's hope but they have Ime this time.

[LeBowen]

Are the Knicks trying to emulate the Celtics' roster construction with the Brigdes trade? If so, I don't know if that is such a great idea for them. Their biggest problem in the 2024 Playoffs (besides running out of healthy players Thibs trusted enough to give minutes to) was not having someone other than Brunson who can create high level offense for themselves and/or others. Does Bridges really move the needle on that front? I very much doubt it.
To me, the Knicks certainly got better with this trade, but not that much closer to being a true contender. But well, we'll have to see what might still happen with OG, Randle, and Hartenstein.

You're spot on with the lack of creators.
Since they're going to offer the max to OG, I'd expect to be in the market for some depth with Randle going the other way.
They can trade #24 pick from today's draft, one they got for Porzingis. They have #24 and #25 picks, #25 is their own.

Still, giving up so much for Bridges is beyond ridiculous, especially giving up picks 7 years down the line when current core will be ~35 years old.
I'd say the league should prevent picks so far in the future from being traded. Make it 5 years instead of 7.
Classic case of a GM not caring about picks so far in the future because he knows he most likely won't be there.

As for the Celtics, a nice comparison:


Knicks gave up 4 unprotected 1sts, a protected 1st, an unprotected pick swap, a 2nd-rounder, and Bojan Bogdanovic for Mikal Bridges.

Celtics got White, Holiday, Kristaps AND a 1st rd pick for two 1sts, a 2nd, a pick swap, Brogdon, Rob, Marcus, Galo, Romeo, Richardson & Muscala.

What do Celtics acquisitions have in common?
They were somewhat unwanted by their teams.
Have to find the right players to go for when their trade value is low.

Tbh, this is also somewhat smart by the Knicks when it comes to immediate future.
They ruined the market again, meaning none of their Eastern competitors can get a fair price anymore.
Sixers, Heat, Bucks, Cavs, Magic all want to make some moves, but if the market is skewed in favor of sellers, it's going to be really hard to pull off at a fair price.

Also, with this, our dream of getting Markkanen is dead unless it comes to the deadline, which probably won't happen.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Well NY have certainly blown the trade market valuations but the Brooklyn and Houston deal might be the more important one.

Windhorst, in his last podcast, has insinuated that Atlanta may be another team to look to get their pick equity back. If the market is set so high, and the projected value of these picks being lower due to Brooklyn blowing it up, then it might just be the right time for the Spurs to extract the max that they can from Atlanta’s desperation to control their destiny. How this would look like I don’t know and I’m not a Trae fan in the slightest but he’d definitely be more valuable than a couple of 10-14 type picks in ‘25 and ‘26.

[r0drig0lac]

https://x.com/TheDunkCentral/status/1805934986979057724

[Mr. Body]

Well NY have certainly blown the trade market valuations but the Brooklyn and Houston deal might be the more important one.

Windhorst, in his last podcast, has insinuated that Atlanta may be another team to look to get their pick equity back. If the market is set so high, and the projected value of these picks being lower due to Brooklyn blowing it up, then it might just be the right time for the Spurs to extract the max that they can from Atlanta’s desperation to control their destiny. How this would look like I don’t know and I’m not a Trae fan in the slightest but he’d definitely be more valuable than a couple of 10-14 type picks in ‘25 and ‘26.

My feeling is the team sees Trae as net negative in terms of salary, style of play, deficiencies, and personality.

[DPG21920]

Spurs offer pistons that Knicks deal for Cade. Do the pistons accept?

Honestly - I dont think so unfortunately. But I would offer all the ATL picks without hesitation to land Cade.

[DPG21920]

Well NY have certainly blown the trade market valuations but the Brooklyn and Houston deal might be the more important one.

Windhorst, in his last podcast, has insinuated that Atlanta may be another team to look to get their pick equity back. If the market is set so high, and the projected value of these picks being lower due to Brooklyn blowing it up, then it might just be the right time for the Spurs to extract the max that they can from Atlanta’s desperation to control their destiny. How this would look like I don’t know and I’m not a Trae fan in the slightest but he’d definitely be more valuable than a couple of 10-14 type picks in ‘25 and ‘26.

Agree. I would LOVE for SA to get a HOU type deal. Give all of ATL picks back for similar valued picks + 2 additional? Ya I am in on that for sure. Not sure ATL front office can find such a perfect setup like that unless they work with UTA? UTA is the one team I can see (OKC has volume of picks, but do they have the quality that UTA picks have?) that can maybe do something like this.

[DPG21920]

And no way I trade pick 8 for Cam in a situation with his salary/age. He’s a good player and I think a very good fit for SA, but nothing close to pick 8.

I can see a 3 way deal though:

Spurs Get: Cam Johnson

BKY Gets: Graham + Collins + Pick 21 + 2 2nd Round Picks

NO: 4 2nd Round Picks

Something like that.

[LeBowen]

Agree. I would LOVE for SA to get a HOU type deal. Give all of ATL picks back for similar valued picks + 2 additional? Ya I am in on that for sure. Not sure ATL front office can find such a perfect setup like that unless they work with UTA? UTA is the one team I can see (OKC has volume of picks, but do they have the quality that UTA picks have?) that can maybe do something like this.

I wouldn't do it unless those picks are in '25-'27 drafts, which won't happen.
We need to have as much draft assets as possible in the next few years to establish a team around Wemby, those picks are way more valuable to us than picks 5+ years down the line.
Right now Hawks are easily the worst team in the league that doesn't own their picks.
Suns, Clippers and Lakers might implode, but teams that are worse than the Hawks as of now, all own their picks.
If we're going the draft route, we don't trade those picks.

If we can get a legit #2 for Wemby, I'd consider it.
But there are no teams with young all-star players available that would be interested in Trae.

[r0drig0lac]

https://x.com/TheDunkCentral/status/1805977156054323398
Wiggins? maybe Keldon + any late pick?

[Seventyniner]

The Warriors own all their own firsts from 2025 to 2029, though they can't trade the 2029 pick because they own their 2030 first to the Wizards. The most they could trade away is either 2025 and 2027 or 2026 and 2028, plus swaps in the other years.

Wiggins is under contract for three more years for 26/28/30M. Getting rid of him would be mostly a salary dump; he isn't worth his contract. I don't know how many draft assets the Warriors are willing to sacrifice but they are probably trying to compete this year.

[ginobilized]

What is Houston trying to pull off?
Booker or Durant trade?
Will PHX get pick 3? If so, who will they select?
How might this impact the Spurs?
I'd love to hear the ST theories before tonight unfolds.

[djohn2oo8]

What is Houston trying to pull off?
Booker or Durant trade?
Will PHX get pick 3? If so, who will they select?
How might this impact the Spurs?
I'd love to hear the ST theories before tonight unfolds.
Stephen A just said on First Take, that the Suns want to trade KD right now. Also, Houston prefers acquiring Booker over KD. Ime may want KD, but the FO wants Booker.

[djohn2oo8]

1805978268278878640

[SpursFan86]

Stephen A just said on First Take, that the Suns want to trade KD right now. Also, Houston prefers acquiring Booker over KD. Ime may want KD, but the FO wants Booker.

Yeah if I’m Houston I don’t see how KD makes sense given their timeline. Surely no one thinks that adding KD and removing Sengun would turn Houston into a contender. Booker at least fits the timeline of their other core pieces.

[RC_Drunkford]

always good when the Rockets do idiotic things to win now while Spurs and OKC are trying to build a dynasty. I hope they trade for oldass KD so they can make the playoffs for 2 years

[djohn2oo8]

always good when the Rockets do idiotic things to win now while Spurs and OKC are trying to build a dynasty. I hope they trade for oldass KD so they can make the playoffs for 2 years
Brother, you have maybe 2 years to get a team around Wemby.

[exstatic]

And no way I trade pick 8 for Cam in a situation with his salary/age. He’s a good player and I think a very good fit for SA, but nothing close to pick 8.

I can see a 3 way deal though:

Spurs Get: Cam Johnson

BKY Gets: Graham + Collins + Pick 21 + 2 2nd Round Picks

NO: 4 2nd Round Picks

Something like that.

How can you say that Cam Johnson is either too old, or on a bad contract? He’s 28, and a big forward who can shoot, and has deep playoff experience, where he also shot well. His contract averages about $22M, and has 3 years of team control. Fuck, I’d trade both picks in this crap draft, and maybe throw in the fake Charlotte first for him. He’s literally exactly what you’re looking for Risacher or Salaun to become, without the risk, since he’s there already.

[exstatic]

Agree. I would LOVE for SA to get a HOU type deal. Give all of ATL picks back for similar valued picks + 2 additional? Ya I am in on that for sure. Not sure ATL front office can find such a perfect setup like that unless they work with UTA? UTA is the one team I can see (OKC has volume of picks, but do they have the quality that UTA picks have?) that can maybe do something like this.

The problem is, Atlanta doesn’t have extra picks to throw at us. Not the same situation at all. BKN was sitting on that wad of Phoenix picks.

[DPG21920]

How can you say that Cam Johnson is either too old, or on a bad contract? He’s 28, and a big forward who can shoot, and has deep playoff experience, where he also shot well. His contract averages about $22M, and has 3 years of team control. Fuck, I’d trade both picks in this crap draft, and maybe throw in the fake Charlotte first for him. He’s literally exactly what you’re looking for Risacher or Salaun to become, with the risk, since he’s there already.

Negative on that trade ghost rider.

[ChumpDumper]

Are the Knicks trying to emulate the Celtics' roster construction with the Brigdes trade? If so, I don't know if that is such a great idea for them. Their biggest problem in the 2024 Playoffs (besides running out of healthy players Thibs trusted enough to give minutes to) was not having someone other than Brunson who can create high level offense for themselves and/or others. Does Bridges really move the needle on that front? I very much doubt it.
To me, the Knicks certainly got better with this trade, but not that much closer to being a true contender. But well, we'll have to see what might still happen with OG, Randle, and Hartenstein.

I keep thinking how Edey would look on the Knicks if they somehow acquired him.

[LeBowen]

The problem is, Atlanta doesn’t have extra picks to throw at us. Not the same situation at all. BKN was sitting on that wad of Phoenix picks.

If they want to tank and get their picks back, they're trading Trae either way.
Then they'd redirect those picks they get for Trae to us.

But I still wouldn't do it.
As I said, Hawks are the worst team that doesn't own their near future picks.

[DPG21920]

I keep thinking how Edey would look on the Knicks if they somehow acquired him.

I was thinking that too. They have two picks, wonder if they could move up using those to get him.

[GoSpurs99]

Under no circumstances do I give the Hawks their picks back, no way should they get bailed out!

[scott]

For all those who wanted to ship off DJM + draft picks for Ben Simmons a few years ago... we could probably get him for an SRP now. :lol

[Robz4000]

For all those who wanted to ship off DJM + draft picks for Ben Simmons a few years ago... we could probably get him for an SRP now. :lol

If its for the minimum, why not?

[Chinook]

Under no circumstances do I give the Hawks their picks back, no way should they get bailed out!

Don't say that. If the Hawks trade Young and/or Murray, they could could do something like four unprotected firsts and two swaps to get their picks back. I'm all for holding ATL's feet to the fire and hoping for one or two elite picks as they fail about, but I also wouldn't mind the Spurs pushing back future picks a year or two so they can have the roster space to react to their roster's development. Like they'll be okay if they have to add two more lotto picks so long as they're willing to get rid of some disappointing prospects, but if Bran and Wes show anything, it'll be hard to bring in three rookies.

[scott]

If its for the minimum, why not?

Simmons is due $40MM this year. That's part of why we could probably get him for only an SRP

[Robz4000]

Simmons is due $40MM this year. That's part of why we could probably get him for only an SRP

:lol I know, was being sarcastic

[montgod]

Simmons is due $40MM this year. That's part of why we could probably get him for only an SRP

As long as a future Nets FRP is thrown in on top :toast

[Robz4000]

Bam 3 yr/$166m extension

[RC_Drunkford]

Brother, you have maybe 2 years to get a team around Wemby.

and we will. Meanwhile media is saying y'all are content with being the 5th seed :lol Y'all lucky Jordan played baseball for 2 years

[GoSpurs99]

Don't say that. If the Hawks trade Young and/or Murray, they could could do something like four unprotected firsts and two swaps to get their picks back. I'm all for holding ATL's feet to the fire and hoping for one or two elite picks as they fail about, but I also wouldn't mind the Spurs pushing back future picks a year or two so they can have the roster space to react to their roster's development. Like they'll be okay if they have to add two more lotto picks so long as they're willing to get rid of some disappointing prospects, but if Bran and Wes show anything, it'll be hard to bring in three rookies.

The Hawks don’t have a single player I’d want on this roster, but I do agree, never say never.

[Chinook]

The Hawks don’t have a single player I’d want on this roster, but I do agree, never say never.

What I said has nothing to do with the players Atlanta has. It has to do with them being so desperate to get their picks back that they're willing to trade other teams' unprotected picks at a premium to get them. Like say they got four unprotected firsts and two swaps from NOP for Young and two firsts and a swap from LAL for Murray, and that traded four of those picks and two swaps to get their picks back. So now the Spurs just doubled their future pick count and own two teams' futures rather than just one.

[exstatic]

If they want to tank and get their picks back, they're trading Trae either way.
Then they'd redirect those picks they get for Trae to us.

But I still wouldn't do it.
As I said, Hawks are the worst team that doesn't own their near future picks.

The offers so far have been underwhelming, which is why they haven’t pulled the trigger. A lot of front offices see Trae the way that the Never Traes here see him, a flawed ball dominant star.

[DPG21920]

What I said has nothing to do with the players Atlanta has. It has to do with them being so desperate to get their picks back that they're willing to trade other teams' unprotected picks at a premium to get them. Like say they got four unprotected firsts and two swaps from NOP for Young and two firsts and a swap from LAL for Murray, and that traded four of those picks and two swaps to get their picks back. So now the Spurs just doubled their future pick count and own two teams' futures rather than just one.

Yup. HOU/BKY gave the blueprint for middling teams that dont own their picks but may want a reset.

[ace3g]

https://x.com/wojespn/status/1806088339470397766

[TD 21]

An insane contract for an injury prone super role player, but one they basically had to give (especially when the alternative was probably their closest competition for second best in the East, the 76ers) after the absurd haul of picks they gave up for another super role player, Bridges.

At least their core is relatively young and it is a well fitting, deep team with strong chemistry that should be greater than the sum of their parts, but they probably still don't have good enough star power to win a championship.

[baseline bum]

Knicks got off a little cheaper than I expected; Anunoby gets a base salary of $35.4 million so 25% of the cap, when he was eligible for a 30% of the cap max.

[baseline bum]

Oops base year salary is $36.6 million, so 26% of the cap. Forgot max raises are 8% now on full Bird contracts.

[poopbox]

People in here balking at Trae but players who have made 0 all stars and 0 all nba teams are getting over 40 million a year :lol

[TD 21]

Avdija for Brogdon and 14

[scott]

Avdija for Brogdon and 14

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[TD 21]

and a '29 "pick" . . . depending on quality of the latter, it seems light for the Wizards.

Maybe Brogdon has more value than Graham, Bassey, Wesley and Hornets 1st, but Spurs should try anyway.

[baseline bum]

Oh noes the dream of Brogdon in San Antonio is dead, pls someone check on ex

[BatManu20]

Wizards def taking Risacher of Sarr goes 1.

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[scott]

Folks here threw out the idea of Advija for 8, and some people felt WAS wouldn't do that idea... certainly they would have.

This gives some nice balance to POR. Their current lineup would be Scoot/Sharpe/Advija/Grant/Ayton with Simons as sixth man. They can literally go any direction (except for maybe Dillingham) at 7 now.

[LeBowen]

Wait, what?
Why?

[scott]

Interesting other data:

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Apparently POR also sending WAS a couple of seconds.

[Mr. Body]

Sorry for Wizards fans. They really liked him.

It's puzzling to me. He's one of their own facilitators and was developing into a good player. That seems cheap for him, too soon. What do they have planned?

[baseline bum]

Wizards def taking Risacher of Sarr goes 1.


I don't think so necessarily. Risacher still has the look of UNC Harrison Barnes right now, so not sure he's at the top of everyone's board. Wouldn't be shocked to see him drop to somewhere around 3-6. I think the only thing that can be forecast in this chaotic draft is Sarr goes #2 if Atlanta passes on him at #1.

[scott]

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[scott]

POR has their own, BOS and MIL in 2029, so WAS will get the 2nd best of those.

[baseline bum]

Sorry for Wizards fans. They really liked him.

It's puzzling to me. He's one of their own facilitators and was developing into a good player. That seems cheap for him, too soon. What do they have planned?

Meh he's super overrated and empty calories on an awful team.

[spurraider21]

so weird to move Deni after that season and on that contract

[Leetonidas]

Weird trade. Feels like Washington definitely could have gotten more value out of Avdija

[Mr. Body]

Meh he's super overrated and empty calories on an awful team.

Eh he was improving and still young. That's not a player you just toss. Teams need structure.

[scott]

Meh he's super overrated and empty calories on an awful team.

Yeah, WAS realizes they are garbage without much cause for optimism and no one is sacred. Monetize as assets when opportunities present themselves and get more shots at a true franchise changer.

Deni's contract was pretty sweet though. Really smart move by Portland. They need to make some more moves here though.

[Chinook]

so weird to move Deni after that season and on that contract

It's not weird. He wasn't that good. Wiz saw the getting was good and took the money.

At least 4 and 8 for 2 and 14 could actually happen. Well even 8 and 35 for 14 and 26 doesn't seem absurd.

[scott]

FEED ME MORE CHAOS

[baseline bum]

It's not weird. He wasn't that good. Wiz saw the getting was good and took the money.

At least 4 and 8 for 2 and 14 could actually happen. Well even 8 and 35 for 14 and 26 doesn't seem absurd.

Who would you want 2 and 14 realistically? Seems really hard to tell who has a shot of being there at 14 in this draft.

[Pauleta14]

Weird trade. Feels like Washington definitely could have gotten more value out of Avdija

Two 1RPs + 2 2RPs + Brongdon's expiring is quite good

[baseline bum]

Eh he was improving and still young. That's not a player you just toss. Teams need structure.

I have no problem dumping marginal players to get more swings until I have a piece or two worth building around. He's not that.

[scott]

Who would you want 2 and 14 realistically? Seems really hard to tell who has a shot of being there at 14 in this draft.

Risacher and best remaining of Carter/McCain/Dillingham/Bub?

Honestly wouldn't be too much a departure from a lot of folks wish list.

[Leetonidas]

Two 1RPs + 2 2RPs + Brongdon's expiring is quite good

14th in this draft is like 20+ in a normal draft. And the other pick is 5 years out :lol still think they could have done better

[scott]

I have no problem dumping marginal players to get more swings until I have a piece or two worth building around. He's not that.

Who's going to be able to compete with BKN and WAS for the worst record next year? O/U for least wins? 12?

[baseline bum]

Risacher and best remaining of Carter/McCain/Dillingham/Bub?

Honestly wouldn't be too much a departure from a lot of folks wish list.

Heh I thought you were on the Buzelis train

[baseline bum]

Who's going to be able to compete with BKN and WAS for the worst record next year? O/U for least wins? 12?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILmGDfXr3pk

[scott]

Heh I thought you were on the Buzelis train

I am, but Brian Wright hasn't returned any of my texts. I just keep sending him BUZELIS over and over.

[r0drig0lac]

https://x.com/TheDunkCentral/status/1806104362520907888

[scott]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILmGDfXr3pk

I think we'll actually see a little improvement out of them this year. I think ownership is fed up and Langdon will need to show some immediate improvement.

[baseline bum]

14th in this draft is like 20+ in a normal draft. And the other pick is 5 years out :lol still think they could have done better

They'll flip Brogdon later on for a third first. Washington did well here.

[Pauleta14]

14th in this draft is like 20+ in a normal draft. And the other pick is 5 years out :lol still think they could have done better

He's good but replaceable, they needed veterans and playmaking as much as the Spurs, they have it with Brogdon, got 14M extra cap for this summer and pick 14 gives you same value/gamble than a lottery pick.

+ some draft capital they can use on trades

I like it tbh

[Mr. Body]

14th in this draft is like 20+ in a normal draft. And the other pick is 5 years out :lol still think they could have done better

I disagree. The early part of the lottery is where the "such and such is the such and such of a normal draft." This draft has some depth into the 20s. The Sengun/Primo draft, for example, had very little. I'd say the 14 in this draft is the 14 in a normal draft.

[TD 21]

The Wizards are more than likely too locked in on Sarr to make a pick related trade with the Spurs.

This was probably done to get Topic, Dillingham or Carrington at 14.

[baseline bum]

I think we'll actually see little improvement out of them this year.

FIFY :lol

[itzsoweezee]

Blazers got fleeced. Deni’s most likely outcome is middling roleplayer

[scott]

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[spurraider21]

https://i.gyazo.com/20fe095f1074d5055e00b7fc37a15077.png

[Mr. Body]

Blazers got fleeced. Deni’s most likely outcome is middling roleplayer

It's a good trade for them. They need a connector with Scoot being their point, he's on a good contract, and they need a decent wing.

[rascal]

It's a good trade for them. They need a connector with Scoot being their point, he's on a good contract, and they need a decent wing.

Agree
Portland had to move one of their guards and the 14th pick isn't anything special.

[rascal]

The Wizards are more than likely too locked in on Sarr to make a pick related trade with the Spurs.

This was probably done to get Topic, Dillingham or Carrington at 14.

Yeah, I can see the Spurs making a play to get Topic.

[BatManu20]

These player introductions are corny as hell. Just start the draft tbh.

[timtonymanu]

These player introductions are corny as hell. Just start the draft tbh.

Yeah wth was that? I just kept it on as background noise.

[scottspurs]

I know the wizards, pistons, nets and blazers are the favorite tank teams for 2025 draft but the west is absolutely brutal. Spurs could be worse than last year record wise even if they do show improvement as a team overall.

[exstatic]

Oh noes the dream of Brogdon in San Antonio is dead, pls someone check on ex

:lol I’m fine. He was an idea of an archetype of a non-heliocentric PG that can defend that I thought might be available.

[baseline bum]

:lol I’m fine. He was an idea of an archetype of a non-heliocentric PG that can defend that I thought might be available.

Just giving you a hard time lol

[objective]

Tobias Harris for all of the Spurs caproom and a 4 year deal seems a distinct possibility

I can see 4/100+ on the horizon for a 32 year old guy who never sacrificed his body, never drew a charge as a sixer just like Pop's prized Bryn, and whose final 76ers game was a scoreless disgrace.

[Dverde]

I think Derrick Jones Jr should be their primary target. Combine him with Castle/Vassell/Victor/Sochan and you fix a lot of your defensive problems from last year. Plus it hurts one of our rivals in the division.

[spurraider21]

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[Mr. Body]

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What a massive crater for this guy. Injury prone, but supposedly a headcase.

[djohn2oo8]

Is he any good?

[objective]

Is he any good?

Hard to tell between all the injuries and the nebulous games missed for non injury reasons. He was the last official first rounder under Travis Schlenck, and they're desperate to cut money so they avoid the tax

[exstatic]

Is he any good?

Highly rated prep player, but had an ACL tear in HS. Didn’t do great at Duke, and slid out of the lottery. Not a great athlete. Had a ok to good rookie year, but only played 20 games his second year.

[Mr. Body]

He's an immobile shooter who doesn't do much else, but can shoot well.

Supposed to be a vocal god-botherer who drives normal people crazy. Apparently a reason why his father was canned as coach of the Bucks. Kind of Mark Jackson types.

[djohn2oo8]

Well at the very least, Ime is going after shooters

[Pauleta14]

Spurs interested in trading for Bucks' Brook Lopez

I like it

https://x.com/WireHoops/status/1806396884128567415

[SpursDynasty85]

Tobias Harris for all of the Spurs caproom and a 4 year deal seems a distinct possibility

I can see 4/100+ on the horizon for a 32 year old guy who never sacrificed his body, never drew a charge as a sixer just like Pop's prized Bryn, and whose final 76ers game was a scoreless disgrace.

:lol I cannot confirm anything you wrote here but this is still funny enough to repost. :lol

[SpursDynasty85]

I think Derrick Jones Jr should be their primary target. Combine him with Castle/Vassell/Victor/Sochan and you fix a lot of your defensive problems from last year. Plus it hurts one of our rivals in the division.

I don't think we have anymore room for non shooting wings. A 2nd year Wemby and Castle fixes enough defensively but still leaves a massive hole in shooting.

[TimDunkem]

Spurs interested in trading for Bucks' Brook Lopez

I like it

https://x.com/WireHoops/status/1806396884128567415
I don't hate it...Would depend on what the Spurs give up.

[lebomb]

Ehhhhhh............Brooks Lopez is 36. Far past his prime.

[Degoat]

If the spurs are going cheap I’d like Issac Okoro

[poopbox]

Spurs interested in trading for Bucks' Brook Lopez

I like it

https://x.com/WireHoops/status/1806396884128567415

36 year old with history of back problems :lol

[CGD]

Spurs interested in trading for Bucks' Brook Lopez

I like it

https://x.com/WireHoops/status/1806396884128567415

Solid vet for the locker room.

Him, Thobias, and Gary Trent would be a good haul.

[CGD]

^ Zach for Lopez should work straight up, but if not add Wesley.

[Ice009]

Well, I'm guessing that is legit as didn't the Spurs try to sign him when he was a free agent a year or so ago (can't remember when he was a FA)?

[ace3g]

Shams Charania ShamsCharania
·
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Denver’s Kentavious Caldwell-Pope is declining his $15.4 million player option for the 2024-25 season to become a free agent, sources tell me and
@Tjonesonthenba
. Caldwell-Pope – a two-time NBA champion – is expected to receive interest from multiple teams with salary cap space.

[ace3g]

Jamal Murray and the Denver Nuggets are working toward a four-year, $209 million maximum deal, per ShamsCharania
.

[DPG21920]

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[ace3g]

Shams Charania ShamsCharania
Phoenix's Eric Gordon is declining his $3.4 million player option for the 2024-25 season and becomes a free agent, sources tell
@TheAthletic

@Stadium
. Multiple contenders are expected to pursue Gordon, who averaged 11 points on 37.8 percent 3-point shooting last season.

[Mitch Cumsteen]

Shams Charania ShamsCharania
Phoenix's Eric Gordon is declining his $3.4 million player option for the 2024-25 season and becomes a free agent, sources tell
@TheAthletic

@Stadium
. Multiple contenders are expected to pursue Gordon, who averaged 11 points on 37.8 percent 3-point shooting last season.

He's a thousand years old, but would be cheap and can still shoot it. Why not?

[Pauleta14]

Ehhhhhh............Brooks Lopez is 36. Far past his prime.

We don't need him +30' but to replace Zollins and bring veteranship, BBIQ etc

Bucks made it know a while ago they're opened to trade him, he shouldn't be expensive (about 4M diff with Zollins)

[DPG21920]

HOU being smart and aggressive adding depth/talent taking swings. POR being aggressive adding depth/talent.

Spurs? Need to start looking to add some talent too.

[exstatic]

Spurs interested in trading for Bucks' Brook Lopez

I like it

https://x.com/WireHoops/status/1806396884128567415

Giannis will not be amused to lose another piece of the championship team.

[exstatic]

HOU being smart and aggressive adding depth/talent taking swings. POR being aggressive adding depth/talent.

Spurs? Need to start looking to add some talent too.

Portland is tanking. :lol. Griffin was a #16 pick flipped for a second. How talented can he really be?

[exstatic]

He's a thousand years old, but would be cheap and can still shoot it. Why not?

Because he was Kawhi before Kawhi was Kawhi, faking injuries to force a trade from New Orleans. Fuck that TOSB.

[RC_Drunkford]

Lopez would be a nice addition as a vet for one year. He would fix our rim protection issues once Wemby is off the floor. With that being said, I'm not sending them first round picks for a 36-year old. A bunch of 2nd rounders would be alright, although the Bucks definitely want a replacement and it for sure ain't Zach Collins. Maybe a 3-team deal with Graham giving salary relief to somebody might work. Portland has 3 Centers right now, none of them are 3-point shooters though.

[DPG21920]

Portland is tanking. :lol. Griffin was a #16 pick flipped for a second. How talented can he really be?

It’s a low risk move for HOU. Thats the point. You have to try something. Can keep trading picks away for no talent to save money when team has real needs. Spurs better have a damn good plan in free agency.