2024 NBA Off-Season Thread (FA, Trades, Extensions, Rumors)

[RC_Drunkford]

That’s especially true for teams with spending money in their pockets. The Philadelphia 76ers and Orlando Magic are expected to pursue Caldwell-Pope using the ample cap space at their disposal, (https://www.denverpost.com/2024/06/27/nuggets-free-agency-preview-kcp-market-kentavious-caldwell-pope/) league sources told The Denver Post. Those are compelling destinations, considering both teams made the 2024 playoffs and are trying to take the next step. Other potential suitors that have been reported include Indiana, Chicago and San Antonio.

19 mins ago (https://hoopshype.com/rumor/sixers-magic-among-teams-expected-to-go-after-kentavious-caldwell-pope/) – via Denver Post (https://www.denverpost.com/2024/06/27/nuggets-free-agency-preview-kcp-market-kentavious-caldwell-pope/)



doesn't really make sense to me as he plays the same position as Devin

[LeBowen]

doesn't really make sense to me as he plays the same position as Devin

Tbh, Castle has enough size to defend SF in most matchups.
Castle-Devin-KCP would be fine.

I'd rather get an actual wing, but at this point I just want some legit NBA players.
But those reports are just listing teams with cap space that need shooting. As if Denver Post knows shit about Spurs plans.

[exstatic]

It’s a low risk move for HOU. Thats the point. You have to try something. Can keep trading picks away for no talent to save money when team has real needs. Spurs better have a damn good plan in free agency.

Do you really understand how many picks we really have? Really understand? There’s no way we can onboard a single second round pick in the next 5-6 years because of all the first round picks we have. The first SRP every year will be sold, and the second one will be for a 2 way. That’s how it’s going to be.

[RC_Drunkford]

I mean I wouldn't mind it as these are the type of players you can always package for assets or All-Stars. If you can sign them outright in free agency that's an asset you didn't pay anything for.

[ace3g]

https://x.com/wojespn/status/1806442826529677678

[DPG21920]

Do you really understand how many picks we really have? Really understand? There’s no way we can onboard a single second round pick in the next 5-6 years because of all the first round picks we have. The first SRP every year will be sold, and the second one will be for a 2 way. That’s how it’s going to be.

Trade the picks for players lol. Spurs have roster spots. They have 7 guys who can easily be replaced.

[Mr. Body]

Trade the picks for players lol. Spurs have roster spots. They have 7 guys who can easily be replaced.

Yeah I don't get ex yelling at people that the Spurs cannot possibly use their second round picks because we may use picks in the future. There's maybe four players I'm certain can form a foundation on this team, and that's Wembanyama, Vassell, Sochan, and Castle. That's it. Everyone else is in the foyer.

But... no, we cannot possibly give another player a shot.

[eDizzle20]

Interesting to see what happens with CP3 today and the Warriors. If his option is not picked up he’s an UFA. With the Spurs making moves to preserve money and drafting their future PG, I wonder if the plan is to take a run at him on a 2-year deal.

[CGD]

Giannis will not be amused to lose another piece of the championship team.

That’s why we’ll send him Zach Collins and Blake Wesley back in exchange! 😂

[ace3g]

Adrian Wojnarowski
@wojespn
ESPN Sources: Guard Immanuel Quickley intends to sign a five-year, $175 million contract to stay with the Toronto Raptors. Quickley arrived in trade with Knicks and established himself as a cornerstone player for Toronto.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Whoa well done Quickley I guess but these contracts Raptors keep giving are wild.

[Mr. Body]

Whoa well done Quickley I guess but these contracts Raptors keep giving are wild.

They had to get rid of Anunoby and Siakam because of how much they cost, now they're throwing that money at other sorta good players.

[DPG21920]

Im so glad Spurs didnt trade picks for Quickley just to have to pay him 35M a year.

[LeBowen]

These contracts are exactly why trading for players on longer, tream friendly deal is worth giving up some extra assets compared to getting players who would need to be extended in a year for a bit less.

Denver really fucked themselves with that MPJ contract.
KCP is most likely gone and even after dumping Reggie and scrubs, they're still around 30M over the cap.
Murray also entering his final year, just got a 209/4 extension.

The only way out is to trade MPJ for depth.
Also, there are some rumors of them being interested in PG13 in S&T deal. That would be a definite short-term all-in play.

[exstatic]

That’s why we’ll send him Zach Collins and Blake Wesley back in exchange! ��

Wouldn’t hate it. Throw them a big wad of SRPs so people will stop bitching about them.

[KingKev]

These contracts are exactly why trading for players on longer, tream friendly deal is worth giving up some extra assets compared to getting players who would need to be extended in a year for a bit less.

Denver really fucked themselves with that MPJ contract.
KCP is most likely gone and even after dumping Reggie and scrubs, they're still around 30M over the cap.
Murray also entering his final year, just got a 209/4 extension.

The only way out is to trade MPJ for depth.
Also, there are some rumors of them being interested in PG13 in S&T deal. That would be a definite short-term all-in play.

Real talk. Our old pal Dejounte Murray is on a bargain basement deal. Quickley was a semi throw in on that deal but holy the cost of acquiring semi AS caliber players these days is astronomical.

Over pay for Castle to have a vet PG teacher for a few years and move on.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Im so glad Spurs didnt trade picks for Quickley just to have to pay him 35M a year.

Yeah, even with the rising cap that contract he got is crazy. I consider him similar level to Vassell, probably a little worse - no idea how much my silver and black glasses skew it. But anyway, my point is that Vassell's contract being only 5/135 (his incentives are very difficult to achieve) looks amazing value and will only get more valuable , barring a major injury.

[Pauleta14]

Giannis will not be amused to lose another piece of the championship team.

Isn't Giannis the main reason they traded for Lillard, forcing the Bucks to get rid of Jrue? (to make him extend)

[exstatic]

Im so glad Spurs didnt trade picks for Quickley just to have to pay him 35M a year.

By the end of that contract, $35M will be the MLE. :lol

[ace3g]

The Mavericks have traded Tim Hardaway Jr. and three second-round picks to the Pistons for Quentin Grimes, sources tell ESPN.

[KingKev]

Yeah, even with the rising cap that contract he got is crazy. I consider him similar level to Vassell, probably a little worse - no idea how much my silver and black glasses skew it. But anyway, my point is that Vassell's contract being only 5/135 (his incentives are very difficult to achieve) looks amazing value and will only get more valuable , barring a major injury.

Honestly. I was never mad at that contract despite being down on Vassell as a being a potential/eventual AS caliber player but he will look like a steal when it is all said and done. Especially if he has a defined role on a more talented squad.

[DPG21920]

By the end of that contract, $35M will be the MLE. :lol

lol - true. NBA players have it amazing man. Happy for these guys

[DPG21920]

Like the deal for Dallas and Detroit. Trajan doing a good job so far IMO

[Dverde]

No Lauri extension yet. I’m down with paying Ainge’s king ransom to lock him into a new extension with the Spurs now.

[ace3g]

Michael Scotto MikeAScotto
Sources: Phoenix Suns guard Josh Okogie is declining his $2.95 million player option and will enter unrestricted free agency, Hoopshype
has learned.

[Teamduncan21]

No Lauri extension yet. I’m down with paying Ainge’s king ransom to lock him into a new extension with the Spurs now.

Well we have one more pick and another swap now.

[SpursDynasty85]

They had to get rid of Anunoby and Siakam because of how much they cost, now they're throwing that money at other sorta good players.

The players they have are slightly better fits positionally and they also received pretty good draft capital for them.

[LeBowen]

Well we have one more pick and another swap now.

Not just any pick and swap.
Jazz already owns three TWolves FRPs, might aswell add another one.

[ace3g]

Michael Scotto MikeAScotto
·
15m
Sources: Indiana Pacers forward Jalen Smith is declining his $5.4 million player option and will enter unrestricted free agency, Hoopshype
has learned. Smith shot a career-high 59.2 percent from the field and 42.4 percent from 3-point range for the Pacers last season.

[scott]

Michael Scotto Mike (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=7591)AScotto
·
15m
Sources: Indiana Pacers forward Jalen Smith is declining his $5.4 million player option and will enter unrestricted free agency, Hoops (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=8733)hype
has learned. Smith shot a career-high 59.2 percent from the field and 42.4 percent from 3-point range for the Pacers last season.

START BANGING THAT DRUM exstatic

Interesting to see Grimes to go DAL as a throw in on the Hardaway Jr. dump. I like him as a flyer on a potential bench scorer. Would have been game to throw an SRP away for him and challenge Branham. Oh well.

[CGD]

What’s the deal with the Graham contract again? Basically we have to use it here soon right, unless they just want to waive him?

And if they did how much could they take back in a lopsided trade? Like could the take back a 20M contract?

[Pauleta14]

No Lauri extension yet. I’m down with paying Ainge’s king ransom to lock him into a new extension with the Spurs now.

How much would be ready to pay for him?

Bare in mind Okc prob also wants him and can offer shit load of picks too

[Joseph Kony]

What’s the deal with the Graham contract again? Basically we have to use it here soon right, unless they just want to waive him?

And if they did how much could they take back in a lopsided trade? Like could the take back a 20M contract?

I think his salary becomes fully guaranteed on 7/1

[Kevin]

I would imagine the Jazz would love the Hawk picks because Wemby/Lauri picks aren't worth much. Also doubt the FO does this deal unless they are very confident they can extend Lauri now or next summer.

If I am Ainge I ask for all the Hawks picks, the most favorable pick of the 2030 swaps and Sochan.

Before people start complaining you're not getting Lauri without surrendering premium assets because future Spurs first rounders carry less value because of Wemby/Lauri.

If you prefer to better preserve future draft capitol you'll have to part with Dev. Cant have it both ways.

[Mr. Body]

Unpopular reminder that every team Markkanen played for got better after he left.

Mainly because he gives up as much as he gets. I know, I know, "We can fix him."

[Pauleta14]

I would imagine the Jazz would love the Hawk picks because Wemby/Lauri picks aren't worth much. Also doubt the FO does this deal unless they are very confident they can extend Lauri now or next summer.

If I am Ainge I ask for all the Hawks picks, the most favorable pick of the 2030 swaps and Sochan.

Before people start complaining you're not getting Lauri without surrendering premium assets because future Spurs first rounders carry less value because of Wemby/Lauri.

If you prefer to better preserve future draft capitol you'll have to part with Dev. Cant have it both ways.

I agree

He'd be way too expensive and wouldn't match the timing. He's for a win now team

Also, we can find our Lauri in the 25' draft

I just wanted to know what some would be ok to pay to get him now

[spurraider21]

Unpopular reminder that every team Markkanen played for got better after he left.

Mainly because he gives up as much as he gets. I know, I know, "We can fix him."
cleveland was playing him out of position at SF and its not like he just left and they magically got better, they also received donovan mitchell

[Pauleta14]

ATL ready for a rebuild??

https://x.com/esidery/status/1806715287200219306

[ace3g]

Adrian Wojnarowski
@wojespn
·
8m
The Toronto Raptors are picking up the $23 million option on guard Bruce Brown’s contract, sources tell ESPN. Brown will be a valuable trade asset on an expiring contract for the Raptors.
Adrian Wojnarowski
@wojespn
·
1m
Brown's agents Ty Sullivan and Steven Heumann of
@CAA_Basketball
negotiated the 2-year, $45M deal with Indiana before it landed in the Pascal Siakam trade. Raps picking up option gets Brown deal's full value and now it likely becomes part of a trade this summer or during season.

[Kevin]

ATL ready for a rebuild??

https://x.com/esidery/status/1806715287200219306

Lets just get Trae. Atlanta wont blow it up without getting their own picks back.

[Kevin]

cleveland was playing him out of position at SF and its not like he just left and they magically got better, they also received donovan mitchell

Defensive On/Off Numbers since joining the Jazz playing at PF/C

2023
On the court: 115.6
Off the court: 119.4

2024
On the court:119.8
Off the court: 121.8

Biggest worry for Lauri is that as he ages he might not be playable on defense as a PF out on the perimeter.

[DPG21920]

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[Mr. Body]

cleveland was playing him out of position at SF and its not like he just left and they magically got better, they also received donovan mitchell

Yeah, they got an actually competitive player.

[DPG21920]

How would yall feel about this:

DET Gets: Lavine + CHI Pick owed to SA (top 10 protected 25, top 8 in 26 & 27) + 2 2nds from CHI

CHI Gets: THJ

Spurs Get: Ayo Dosunmu

CHI gets off Lavine without having to give up another first they don’t already owe but that costs them 2 2nds + Ayo

DET gets 2 more 2nds + a shot at a top 10 pick from CHI

SA give ups CHI first for Ayo who has very good potential. Not sure if any of these teams do this �� but it makes some sense.

[DPG21920]

1806736437196280289

Wonder if it would be something like Keldon + Tre + CHI first for Herro?

[Mr. Body]

ATL ready for a rebuild??

https://x.com/esidery/status/1806715287200219306

Really believe they want to get rid of Trae so, so badly. He's just a loser. His performance in the play-in game this year was eye-poppingly bad. That's a player you can't move forward with. That was terminal shit.

I'm sure they saw what Mikal Bridges got and got a chubby. Hopefully someone like LAL will go for him.

[Robz4000]

How would yall feel about this:

DET Gets: Lavine + CHI Pick owed to SA (top 10 protected 25, top 8 in 26 & 27) + 2 2nds from CHI

CHI Gets: THJ

Spurs Get: Ayo Dosunmu

CHI gets off Lavine without having to give up another first they don’t already owe but that costs them 2 2nds + Ayo

DET gets 2 more 2nds + a shot at a top 10 pick from CHI

SA give ups CHI first for Ayo who has very good potential. Not sure if any of these teams do this �� but it makes some sense.

Hard pass

[LeBowen]

Defensive On/Off Numbers since joining the Jazz playing at PF/C

2023
On the court: 115.6
Off the court: 119.4

2024
On the court:119.8
Off the court: 121.8

Biggest worry for Lauri is that as he ages he might not be playable on defense as a PF out on the perimeter.

He's not a good defender, but he's not terrible, either.
Don't forget John Collins was their starting center.

To me he's as good of a fit with Wemby as it gets.
How are you supposed to guard a Wemby team that has another 7 footer who's one of the best shooters in the league?

If Castle develops according to expectations and Spurs can get another elite 3-D guy, Herb Jones type, that's all we need, imo.
Devin-Lauri-Wemby trio would have more than enough points between them.


Really believe they want to get rid of Trae so, so badly. He's just a loser. His performance in the play-in game this year was eye-poppingly bad. That's a player you can't move forward with. That was terminal shit.

I'm sure they saw what Mikal Bridges got and got a chubby. Hopefully someone like LAL will go for him.

My bet is on Orlando. They're as good of a fit for Trae as it gets.
Lakers don't have enough assets, others aren't really interested.

[ace3g]

PJ Tucker has exercised his $11.5 million player option for the 2024-25 season, per ShamsCharania
.

[Eaglenole2002]

Would Bruce Brown make sense if Toronto wants to dump him for a few 2s? Oddly enough, I think he’d make a great mentor for both Castle and Ingram. Castle is far more talented, and Ingram is just the opposite, but they can both stylisticaly do similar things as Brown as connective pieces and defenders.

[Kurik]

I’m not really familiar with Jalen Smith’s game since his rookie season. Would he fit next to Wemby? Or rather is he worth it?

[kobyz]

I would imagine the Jazz would love the Hawk picks because Wemby/Lauri picks aren't worth much. Also doubt the FO does this deal unless they are very confident they can extend Lauri now or next summer.

If I am Ainge I ask for all the Hawks picks, the most favorable pick of the 2030 swaps and Sochan.

Before people start complaining you're not getting Lauri without surrendering premium assets because future Spurs first rounders carry less value because of Wemby/Lauri.

If you prefer to better preserve future draft capitol you'll have to part with Dev. Cant have it both ways.

are you forgetting Laury has only left one year on his contract which lower the price Utah should ask from the Spurs?

[Kurik]

How would yall feel about this:

DET Gets: Lavine + CHI Pick owed to SA (top 10 protected 25, top 8 in 26 & 27) + 2 2nds from CHI

CHI Gets: THJ

Spurs Get: Ayo Dosunmu

CHI gets off Lavine without having to give up another first they don’t already owe but that costs them 2 2nds + Ayo

DET gets 2 more 2nds + a shot at a top 10 pick from CHI

SA give ups CHI first for Ayo who has very good potential. Not sure if any of these teams do this �� but it makes some sense.

I’d take Ayo over the Spurs punting the Chicago pick to 2032 assuming we get a lottery pick in 2026.

[DPG21920]

Hard pass

Why? Dont like Ayo? Think CHI pick has high degree of certainty to convey as a first? Both?

[LeBowen]

Would Bruce Brown make sense if Toronto wants to dump him for a few 2s? Oddly enough, I think he’d make a great mentor for both Castle and Ingram. Castle is far more talented, and Ingram is just the opposite, but they can both stylisticaly do similar things as Brown as connective pieces and defenders.

Bruce Brown is an all-round player any team would want. Because of that, there's no way they're letting him go without a FRP going their way. At least not before the deadline.
He's every contender's wish, just look at how much Denver was missing him.

I don't think it's worth it for the Spurs to use a FRP and then extend him. He'll surely ask for 25-30M a year and he's still a gurad. We need wings.

[Mr. Body]

My bet is on Orlando. They're as good of a fit for Trae as it gets.
Lakers don't have enough assets, others aren't really interested.

Huh. They barely have any actual salary. A bunch of team options that they'll probably take, but room after that. They have a 2025 Denver first round with high protections and a likely 2026 swap with Phoenix. Otherwise one of the few NBA teams that owes zero outgoing picks to any other team (SAS is one of the others).

Actually, here's the 2026 swap. The WAS pick to NYK is 1-10 protected in 2025, so will not convey. Orlando can swap with Phoenix, but the Suns will maybe/probably be better that year, maybe:

2026 first round draft pick from Phoenix or Washington (Orlando outgoing to Memphis or Phoenix)
Washington has the right to swap its 2026 1st round pick, protected for selections 9-30 if Washington does not convey a 1st round pick to New York in 2025, for Phoenix's 2026 1st round pick; Orlando then has the right to swap its 2026 1st round pick for the less favorable of the Phoenix pick and the Washington pick if conveyable; Memphis then has the right to swap its 2026 1st round pick for the least / less favorable of the Phoenix pick, the Washington pick if conveyable and the Orlando pick; if the Washington pick is not conveyable, then Phoenix's obligation to Washington will be extinguished and Orlando will instead have the right to swap its pick for the Phoenix pick [Indiana-Phoenix-Washington, 6/23/2023; Orlando-Phoenix, 7/17/2023; Brooklyn-Memphis-Phoenix, 2/8/2024]

So really Orlando has all their own picks and then the Denver 2025 pick to use to get Trae. They have some young players like Jett Howard and Black, but not many they wouldn't rather keep.

[DPG21920]

Bruce Brown is an all-round player any team would want. Because of that, there's no way they're letting him go without a FRP going their way. At least not before the deadline.
He's every contender's wish, just look at how much Denver was missing him.

I don't think it's worth it for the Spurs to use a FRP and then extend him. He'll surely ask for 25-30M a year and he's still a gurad. We need wings.

He was terrible in INDY after getting paid and even worse in TOR though. I dont know that he will command a first unless TOR takes back a bad contract with longer years on it.

[Robz4000]

Why? Dont like Ayo? Think CHI pick has high degree of certainty to convey as a first? Both?

Both. If they could get Ayo for like five 2nds I'd be more interested but I'd rather run Castle/Jones at PG this upcoming season. Really do think Chicago wants to retool rather than rebuild so that pick should convey at some point.

[LeBowen]

Both. If they could get Ayo for like five 2nds I'd be more interested but I'd rather run Castle/Jones at PG this upcoming season. Really do think Chicago wants to retool rather than rebuild so that pick should convey at some point.

I haven't seen that much of him, but isn't Ayo a shooting guard? Does he have actual playmaking skills?

Tbh, I don''t think we need to make any moves at guard positions this summer. Castle/Tre/Devin/Branham are enough, we desperately need a couple of legit wings.

[Kevin]

are you forgetting Laury has only left one year on his contract which lower the price Utah should ask from the Spurs?

Like I said the Spurs only do this deal if they are very confident of a Lauri extension either now or next summer.

Pacers give up three firsts of Siakam but Lauri is almost exactly three years younger than Siakam and will make 18M in the final year of his deal instead of 36M like Siakam.

[DPG21920]

Both. If they could get Ayo for like five 2nds I'd be more interested but I'd rather run Castle/Jones at PG this upcoming season. Really do think Chicago wants to retool rather than rebuild so that pick should convey at some point.

I think if CHI lets DeRozan walk and then presents a deal like this (meaning they are getting off of Lavine one way or the other) on the heels of also trading their biggest + on/off guy in Caruso that would signal a pretty big blow up and Im not sure how likely it is that pick conveys which for me would change calculus some. If they keep DeRozan and Lavine? Then ya, I would keep the CHI pick

[LeBowen]

Like I said the Spurs only do this deal if they are very confident of a Lauri extension either now or next summer.

Pacers give up three firsts of Siakam but Lauri is almost exactly three years younger than Siakam and will make 18M in the final year of his deal instead of 36M like Siakam.

A fairly long, but very good explanation about Markkanen's complicated contract situation:




Lauri Markkanen is looking for a four year max extension. However, the CBA only allows raises in extensions to be 40% over the last year of his contract. The salary cap in 2025-2026 is likely to be $155.1m so a max for a less than 10 year player is $46.53m starting in year 1. Therefore, a player must be making $33.24m or more in 2024-2025 to sign a max extension for 2025-2026.
Lauri Markkanen is set to make 18.044m next year. However, after Lauri's contract hits three years old, whoever has him under contract can renegotiate and extend him. This involves the team using their own salary cap space to give a raise to a player for their current year and then extending him for future years. The Jazz did this last year with Clarkson though for different reasons. To renegotiate and extend Markkanen, the Jazz or whoever traded for Markkanen must give him a $15.2m raise this year, using their cap space.
Now we get into the timing issues caused by the CBA. If you trade for a player, you can't extend them for at least six months. If you extend a player, you cannot trade them for at least six months. You must hit the salary floor by mid October. Lauri signed his current contract August 27th 2021. The trade deadline is early February 2025.
The salary floor is 90% of the cap, meaning that a team can only pass mid October with $14.1m in cap space or less.

So let's go through a few scenarios here.




Jazz renegotiate and extend Markkanen. In this scenario, the Jazz cannot have renegotiated and extended him until August 27th, 2024 or later. This means they could not trade Markkanen until February 27th, 2025... Which is after the trade deadline.
The Jazz do not renegotiate and extend Markkanen and try to trade him to a team with cap space that promises to renegotiate and extend him. In this scenario, a team could hypothetically offer Markkanen a $14.1m raise this year and a near max contract. Over the five years, this would lose Markkanen around $8m compared to a renegotiation and max so Markkanen's agent would realistically try to harm trade talks unless an absolutely perfect situation came up. And what teams could realistically hold this much cap space available for renegotiation and extending? It's mostly just the Pistons and Spurs so Markkanen's agent would probably tell the Pistons that he would rather test free agency because the Pistons are so awful (and this is actually pretty reasonable for a player to say as well, lol). This narrows Markkanen's market and reduces his trade value.
The Jazz do not renegotiate and extend Markkanen and try to trade him to a team that will not renegotiate and extend him. This move would cost Markkanen at least $15m and would cause a huge amount of risk for Markkanen if he got injured during next season so he and agent would try to sabotage any trade talks to non ideal situations by implying that he could leave in free agency. I would say this narrows down his market to basically just title contenders where he would fit well and get a good amount of shots. If you narrow that down to teams that have assets, you're basically just left with the 76ers, Thunder... Maybe the Lakers? Maybe the Heat if they trade Butler? And all of these teams will likely be more wary of giving up 4+ picks still because Lauri won't be able to extend with them.

So we're looking at a very narrow trade market and that lowers the odds dramatically that a team will want to roll the dice and go all-in with Markkanen, making the odds of trading him much lower.
Sexton and Kessler also have depressed trade value (Sexton due to his seasons before this not being great and Kessler for having a disappointing second year) so they're unlikely to be traded as well though they could be traded at the deadline if they have a great year. These are our three best players so it's hard to see any tanking moves being plausible.

[Mr. Body]

A lot of appetite among Miami fans to go for Trae. I... can kind of see it.

They could make Herro the centerpiece, plus filler. Problem is the draft picks.

If a team owes a pick protected 1-14 to one team, can they trade the 15-30 protection to another team? So, if they do hit the lottery, it will then go to that other team?

[Robz4000]

I think if CHI lets DeRozan walk and then presents a deal like this (meaning they are getting off of Lavine one way or the other) on the heels of also trading their biggest + on/off guy in Caruso that would signal a pretty big blow up and Im not sure how likely it is that pick conveys which for me would change calculus some. If they keep DeRozan and Lavine? Then ya, I would keep the CHI pick

They'd have to take Collins back in that case for me to gain some interest. Just don't see the need for another developmental PG while SF remains a gaping hole.

[k830713]

Miles Bridges 80/3 ??

[k830713]

Jones - Zamek - Wesley
Vassell - Branhm - FA MLE
Bridges - Johnson - Cissoko
Sochan - Champagnie - Barlow
Wembanyama - Collins - Bassey (Mamukelashvili)

[TD 21]

Donsunmu is a solid 3 and D/secondary creator combo guard. I'd rather trade for Brogdon, who'll probably cost less and has more on ball ability.

The notion that they're fine at guard with Castle replacing Wesley is absurd. There's a dire need for a guard (or wing, but good luck finding that) who can create for themselves and others, as well as shoot.

[barakz21]

PJ Tucker has exercised his $11.5 million player option for the 2024-25 season, per Sham (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=17672)sCharania
.

Weird he’d do so, especially after expressing how unhappy he was with his PT with the Clips last season

[Joseph Kony]

Miles Bridges 80/3 ??
Zero chance this will happen. Spurs would never sign a player with the baggage Bridges has, not even worth discussing imho. They're more likely to bring Primo back :lol

[LeBowen]

The notion that they're fine at guard with Castle replacing Wesley is absurd. There's a dire need for a guard (or wing, but good luck finding that) who can create for themselves and others, as well as shoot.

We were fine when Tre is on the floor, but struggled without him.

PATFO is obviously dead set on big lead guard, everyone shares the floor philosophy.
Castle maybe isn't ready just yet, but some of you are making it look like he's got Jeremy's handles and court vision.
He's the #4 pick and since we aren't competing for anything this year, we need to know if he can be the point guard as soon as possible.

As for creation, we were second in assists despite being 28th in 3pt% while being 11th in attempts.
If we had some legit shooters, creation wouldn't have been that big of an issue.
(I know you're going to say Castle isn't a shooter, but neither is Tre, despite making progress with his corner 3s.)

Don't forget that Wemby averaged 4 assists for the season and 5 assist since the all-star break...while not knowing what he's doing half the time.
He won't become a Jokic, but he'll surely be a Sabonis level passer.
We also need Devin to develop his playmaking skills.

We can debate if picking Castle was the right choice, but now that he's here, he's the point guard for all intents and purposes. At least for this season.
Picking him only to reduce him to a marginal role would be the worst possible outcome. Even worse than him failing as a point guard.

[Mr. Body]

NOP-ATL

Brandon Ingram for Trae Young

Presumably Ingram is considered the worse player, so will need to attach something.

NOP has 2025 Lakers pick, a 2026 swap with Milwaukee (can give a best of scenario), 2027 Milwaukee

[Mr. Body]

Atlanta does that, gets a pretty good player in Ingram to pair with Dejounte, Jalen Johnson, Risacher. They could get a pick or two to defray the loss to the Spurs.

NOP has a star to pair with Zion if he ever decides to be healthy. McCollum goes more off-ball or off the bench.

[TD 21]

We were fine when Tre is on the floor, but struggled without him.

PATFO is obviously dead set on big lead guard, everyone shares the floor philosophy.
Castle maybe isn't ready just yet, but some of you are making it look like he's got Jeremy's handles and court vision.
He's the #4 pick and since we aren't competing for anything this year, we need to know if he can be the point guard as soon as possible.

As for creation, we were second in assists despite being 28th in 3pt% while being 11th in attempts.
If we had some legit shooters, creation wouldn't have been that big of an issue.
(I know you're going to say Castle isn't a shooter, but neither is Tre, despite making progress with his corner 3s.)

Don't forget that Wemby averaged 4 assists for the season and 5 assist since the all-star break...while not knowing what he's doing half the time.
He won't become a Jokic, but he'll surely be a Sabonis level passer.
We also need Devin to develop his playmaking skills.

We can debate if picking Castle was the right choice, but now that he's here, he's the point guard for all intents and purposes. At least for this season.
Picking him only to reduce him to a marginal role would be the worst possible outcome. Even worse than him failing as a point guard.

Upgrading the ball skills of Sochan and Wesley is a low bar. This team desperately needs some dynamism, not another caretaker who can't shoot.

I agree that Castle shouldn't be stashed in the corner, but he also shouldn't be forced to be the lead guard, something he has virtually no chance of ever becoming (even White, Holiday, Smart and Suggs aren't that). They need a balance, which is why Brogdon makes makes sense.

What has Branham, a replacement player, done to be handed a rotation spot for a third straight season?

They're not at the top in assist rate because of their ability to create, but for their inability to do so. That's the result of a team bereft of primary shot creation and play making. They can't singlehandedly put the defense in rotation, so if they want to so much as attempt to create offense, they have to do it together.

[LeBowen]

Upgrading the ball skills of Sochan and Wesley is a low bar. This team desperately needs some dynamism, not another caretaker who can't shoot.

He's got way better handles than both, can get to the rim, bully smaller guards and finish through contact.
Neither Wesley nor Jeremy can do that. Jeremy gets to the rim and throws the ball up randomly, horrible finisher.


I agree that Castle shouldn't be stashed in the corner, but he also shouldn't be forced to be the lead guard, something he has virtually no chance of ever becoming (even White, Holiday, Smart and Suggs aren't that). They need a balance, which is why Brogdon makes makes sense.

Our balance is going to be Wemby and Devin having the ball a lot.
We're obviously never going to go for a traditional playmaker in the starting lineup.


What has Branham, a replacement player, done to be handed a rotation spot for a third straight season?

Nothing. And if you go through my comments I posted during games, you'll know I hate him and I don't think he'll ever be an actual NBA player.
But he's surely getting another season. PATFO won't give up on a first round pick after just two seasons.


They're not at the top in assist rate because of their ability to create, but for their inability to do so. That's the result of a team bereft of primary shot creation and play making. They can't singlehandedly put the defense in rotation, so if they want to so much as attempt to create offense, they have to do it together.

Fair point.
But a lot of that inability to create came from non-existant spacing.
Tre-Devin-Champagnie-Jeremy-Wemby was our starting lineup.
That's some 1984 spacing right there.

I was a big fan of Castle, I'm happy we got him, but it will all be for nothing if we don't get two legit shooters on wing positions.
That's why I made that Cam Johnson and Harrison Barnes scenario in the ideal offseason topic.
Replace those two with any other respectable wing shooters, you get the point.

I also said many times that I don't want Jeremy to start if we get Castle.
Worst case scenario, move Keldon back to the starting lineup and have Jeremy as a sixth man until he improves his shot.

[scott]

What’s the deal with the Graham contract again? Basically we have to use it here soon right, unless they just want to waive him?

And if they did how much could they take back in a lopsided trade? Like could the take back a 20M contract?

I think if we were sending out Graham we could take back up to around $28MM into capspace

We have until Monday to decide on him

[ace3g]

https://x.com/espn_macmahon/status/1806708468876742694

[scott]

I would imagine the Jazz would love the Hawk picks because Wemby/Lauri picks aren't worth much. Also doubt the FO does this deal unless they are very confident they can extend Lauri now or next summer.

If I am Ainge I ask for all the Hawks picks, the most favorable pick of the 2030 swaps and Sochan.

Before people start complaining you're not getting Lauri without surrendering premium assets because future Spurs first rounders carry less value because of Wemby/Lauri.

If you prefer to better preserve future draft capitol you'll have to part with Dev. Cant have it both ways.

We have, and will continue to disagree on Lauri's value in a trade this offseason.

First, Lauri is only getting traded if he and UTA can't agree on an extension, and I believe everyone knows this.

For that, I look to Siakam's deal as the framework for a Lauri deal. Siakam got 2 unprotected firsts (both known at the time of the deal to most likely land around 20 or later - sure enough it turned out to be Pick 19 and 29) and one protected first with some seconds going back to Toronto. That's about what we can expect for a Lauri deal as well, probably one high upside unprotected and two protected picks. The main difference is I do think UTA will want a useful player going back as well.

If I'm the Spurs I'd offer ATL27, CHI, and SA25 (lotto protected) and Keldon.

OKC can offer more picks, but their warchest comes with a lot of protections and their own picks are late projections.

[DPG21920]

A lot of appetite among Miami fans to go for Trae. I... can kind of see it.

They could make Herro the centerpiece, plus filler. Problem is the draft picks.

If a team owes a pick protected 1-14 to one team, can they trade the 15-30 protection to another team? So, if they do hit the lottery, it will then go to that other team?

Yes they can do that

[DPG21920]

They'd have to take Collins back in that case for me to gain some interest. Just don't see the need for another developmental PG while SF remains a gaping hole.

Because to me, SA doesnt need a “traditional” point guard. And Ayo is young, defends well and can play next to Castle since he can shoot 40% from 3PT as well. But I get it, it’s not clear cut especially if you think you will land a better PG prospect in 25 draft or something.

[BacktoBasics]

I’m not really sold that Lauri is a good fit here. He wasn’t really working out until he became the number 1 option on a shitty team.

I’d rather see our capital moved for a legitimate guard.

[ace3g]

https://x.com/HornetsPR/status/1806799824085209359

[scott]

I think if CHI lets DeRozan walk and then presents a deal like this (meaning they are getting off of Lavine one way or the other) on the heels of also trading their biggest + on/off guy in Caruso that would signal a pretty big blow up and Im not sure how likely it is that pick conveys which for me would change calculus some. If they keep DeRozan and Lavine? Then ya, I would keep the CHI pick

If Chi blows it up like that, we could probably just get Ayo straight up for that pick back?

Not sure if this is the best use of that asset... but it could be interesting.

[scott]

A lot of appetite among Miami fans to go for Trae. I... can kind of see it.

They could make Herro the centerpiece, plus filler. Problem is the draft picks.

If a team owes a pick protected 1-14 to one team, can they trade the 15-30 protection to another team? So, if they do hit the lottery, it will then go to that other team?

Yes, I believe teams can do this - the problem comes with the Stepien rule affecting carryovers, so it would have to be a one-shot deal?

[DPG21920]

If Chi blows it up like that, we could probably just get Ayo straight up for that pick back?

Not sure if this is the best use of that asset... but it could be interesting.

Not sure - it would only likely be because CHI needs to incentivize someone to take Lavine and choose to give up Ayo instead of another first (since they already have one out to SA)

[BacktoBasics]

Herro, Castle, Vassell all together isn’t something I’d hate. Kinda like it.

[scott]

Not sure - it would only likely be because CHI needs to incentivize someone to take Lavine and choose to give up Ayo instead of another first (since they already have one out to SA)

If Chicago is tanking, I'm not sure they need to move off Lavine so desperately. He's a perfect tank commander. Getting their own pick back from SA likely gives them some desired flexibility (doesn't tie up their pick from being traded for 4 years, for starters, though they are a team that doesn't seem to mind operating in a pick-constrained environment).

[scott]

I like Herro and I'm glad we get to talk about him for a second straight summer! :) Herro/Castle/Vassell would be a fun 3-guard rotation, IMO. Castle and Vassell (most Castle, tbh) help cover Herro's defensive limitations.

[RC_Drunkford]

ATL ready for a rebuild??

https://x.com/esidery/status/1806715287200219306

that would be great for our picks cause there's no way they putting a competitive team together if they move everybody


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who are we getting in return? Tyler Herro?

[TD 21]

He's got way better handles than both, can get to the rim, bully smaller guards and finish through contact.
Neither Wesley nor Jeremy can do that. Jeremy gets to the rim and throws the ball up randomly, horrible finisher.



Our balance is going to be Wemby and Devin having the ball a lot.
We're obviously never going to go for a traditional playmaker in the starting lineup.



Nothing. And if you go through my comments I posted during games, you'll know I hate him and I don't think he'll ever be an actual NBA player.
But he's surely getting another season. PATFO won't give up on a first round pick after just two seasons.



Fair point.
But a lot of that inability to create came from non-existant spacing.
Tre-Devin-Champagnie-Jeremy-Wemby was our starting lineup.
That's some 1984 spacing right there.

I was a big fan of Castle, I'm happy we got him, but it will all be for nothing if we don't get two legit shooters on wing positions.
That's why I made that Cam Johnson and Harrison Barnes scenario in the ideal offseason topic.
Replace those two with any other respectable wing shooters, you get the point.

I also said many times that I don't want Jeremy to start if we get Castle.
Worst case scenario, move Keldon back to the starting lineup and have Jeremy as a sixth man until he improves his shot.

I know, hence the "low bar" comment.

They still need a second star of some sort. If not, why bother stocking so much draft capital?

I'd give Branham another season too (he has virtually no value to anyone else), I just wouldn't hand him a rotation spot anymore.

If they cared about spacing, they wouldn't have drafted another non shooter and they're too cheap to pay the price for Johnson (I actually wouldn't either).

[LeBowen]

If they cared about spacing, they wouldn't have drafted another non shooter and they're too cheap to pay the price for Johnson (I actually wouldn't either).

How many shooters were worthy of a #4 pick?
I don't see a single reliable shooter picked in 4-15 range other than Dillingham, who they didn't even consider because of his size.

Castle was easily BPA with only one flaw to his game. And it's not like his shooting mechanics are broken like for example Holland's.
Everyone else is either one-dimensional or just a theoretical player at this point.

I can get behind them not wanting to use a #8 pick if they didn't think there was a player worthy of one, but I don't understan why didn't they just move down to mid-late teens.
Still, we won't be able to understand their logic until the end of this offseason.
If we get a couple of forwards with reliable 3pt shot, then I'm fine with the logic behind this draft.
If we go into the season with Jeremy and Keldon as two best forwards, I'm going back to full on hater mode.

I guess they didn't draft anyone because they don't want to draft any more players who didn't fully convince them due to recent draft failures.

[scott]

who are we getting in return? Tyler Herro?

BY GAWD THAT'S A 2039 FRPs MUSIC!!!!

[Kevin]

We have, and will continue to disagree on Lauri's value in a trade this offseason.

First, Lauri is only getting traded if he and UTA can't agree on an extension, and I believe everyone knows this.

For that, I look to Siakam's deal as the framework for a Lauri deal. Siakam got 2 unprotected firsts (both known at the time of the deal to most likely land around 20 or later - sure enough it turned out to be Pick 19 and 29) and one protected first with some seconds going back to Toronto. That's about what we can expect for a Lauri deal as well, probably one high upside unprotected and two protected picks. The main difference is I do think UTA will want a useful player going back as well.

If I'm the Spurs I'd offer ATL27, CHI, and SA25 (lotto protected) and Keldon.

OKC can offer more picks, but their warchest comes with a lot of protections and their own picks are late projections.

Lauri is three years younger making half the salary of Siakam in the final year of his deal. Spurs have to top that Siakam deal. All of the Atlanta picks should come pretty close.

[TD 21]

How many shooters were worthy of a #4 pick?
I don't see a single reliable shooter picked in 4-15 range other than Dillingham, who they didn't even consider because of his size.

Castle was easily BPA with only one flaw to his game. And it's not like his shooting mechanics are broken like for example Holland's.
Everyone else is either one-dimensional or just a theoretical player at this point.

I can get behind them not wanting to use a #8 pick if they didn't think there was a player worthy of one, but I don't understan why didn't they just move down to mid-late teens.
Still, we won't be able to understand their logic until the end of this offseason.
If we get a couple of forwards with reliable 3pt shot, then I'm fine with the logic behind this draft.
If we go into the season with Jeremy and Keldon as two best forwards, I'm going back to full on hater mode.

I guess they didn't draft anyone because they don't want to draft any more players who didn't fully convince them due to recent draft failures.

We're 9 years into the "pace and space" era (one they ironically helped usher in) and they've yet to place a premium on it.

He's got a bunch of flaws and his biggest one so happens to be the most important. If he's neither a lead creator or floor spacer in time (both of which are highly likely), then what is he? He's also not an "event creator" defensively.

I've seen enough. It was predictably another draft in the garbage and it'll be another free agency too.

[scott]

Lauri is three years younger making half the salary of Siakam in the final year of his deal. Spurs have to top that Siakam deal. All of the Atlanta picks should come pretty close.

Dejounte was 2 years younger than Lauri is now and had two years left on his deal. Both have made the All-Star team once.

Lauri shouldn't he command the same price Dejounte pulled. He might, but the Spurs shouldn't pay it (and I'm a huge proponent of getting Lauri).

The age thing is a real factor, how much money is left in the final year of the deal is irrelevant. All that matters is the ability to resign them.

[RC_Drunkford]

I'd take Herro in a heartbeat. Not a positive on defense, but also not traffic cone level. Would give us elite shooting and offball movement while also being able to playmake and fits the timeline. He's got 3 years left on his contract for a reasonable price. Sign me up.

As far as Markkanen he's one of my top trade targets. He would absolutely work here especially with Wemby. His size alone would mask his defensive defficiencies next to Wemby and he's a good rebounder who doesn't need the ball in his hands. You're basically trading to make him your 2nd or 3rd option. I'm just not giving up a ton of picks and no ATL or Spurs 25 picks. Also depends on what his extension costs, but we could frontload it so his deal would look like a steal once Wemby is up for extension.

[RC_Drunkford]

DJ to NOLA for 2 firsts and Larry Nance :lol

[Mugen]

Guys like Herro and KCP make too much sense for this FO tbh.

[Mugen]

Dejounte for Brandon Ingram?

[Mugen]

Dejounte to NOLA for Larry Nance Jr and two first round picks.

Great trade for the Spurs if it doesn't mean any follow up trades that makes Atlanta better tbh.

[Robz4000]

Welp, there goes Murray

[RC_Drunkford]

may the implosion continue. Please Spurs don't trade any of these ATL picks

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[BatManu20]

Fuck yes. I hope this isn’t addition by subtraction tbh. These picks could be top-8 over the next couple seasons.

That back-court pairing with Trae was never gonna work though. And a pretty shitty return for him too. This trade looks terrible for the Hawks just 2 years later.

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[Mugen]

Dyson Daniels heading to ATL as well.

[ace3g]

https://x.com/wojespn/status/1806821107699237331

[r0drig0lac]

lol hahawks...pels are stacked as fuck

[scott]

Murray to NOLA and they didn't even have to give up BI? LOL Hawks.

I was a little concerned about those ATL picks for a minute... now I'm even more in love with them.

[LeBowen]

Welp, there goes Murray

We were out on DJ the moment we drafted Castle.

Amazing deal for NOLA.
They now have DJ and Herb under contract up until 2027 for less than $40M combined.

The dominos are about to start falling, let's see which direction the Hawks take.
If they redirect those picks right away or decide to wait for an opportunity to upgrade.

[RC_Drunkford]

man those picks could be top 5 for the next 3 drafts. Spurs better hold tight

[RC_Drunkford]

I would've been cool with paying 2 middling firsts for Murray, but obviously the Hawks would never do a deal with us without getting their picks back

[LeBowen]

What the fuck are the Hawks doing, lmao.

Traded two unprotected FRPs and a swap for DJ.
DJ improved his shooting with them, signed a team-friendly extension and now they trade him for two players with no real value and two FRPs that aren't even going to be in the lottery.

2025 Lakers and worse of 2027 Bucks/NOLA.

Amazing for us.

[Fizziksman]

lol we are going to get Cooper Flagg via Hawks

[Mugen]

Im honestly not sure what this signals for Atlanta's direction going forward.

I guess the plan is to keep Trae and surround him with defenders (Daniels, Risacher, Johnson). It's the East but I'd still put their ceiling is a play-in team right now tbh.

[LeBowen]

DJ/Herb/Murphy/Zion/?
CJ/Alvarado/Hawkins/Missi off the bench.

NOLA needs to get a stretch big with Ingram as an asset, but that looks like a solid team if fatass can stay healthy.

[objective]

I think the picks are incredibly overrated and the Hawks will be making the playoffs.

Trade them while you can, before they're at a spot where there's a bunch of players B.Wrong can't figure out and it's traded for picks 7 years later

[Dejounte]

My dream dies

[scott]

What the fuck are the Hawks doing, lmao.

Traded two unprotected FRPs and a swap for DJ.
DJ improved his shooting with them, signed a team-friendly extension and now they trade him for two players with no real value and two FRPs that aren't even going to be in the lottery.

2025 Lakers and worse of 2027 Bucks/NOLA.

Amazing for us.

LOL these picks aren't even that great. Lakers will still be play-in contenders (at a minimum) next season, and worst of Bucks/NOLA in 2027 could be in the 20s.

LOL Hawks

[Mugen]

Yeah I don't think the Hawks are that bad yet tbh. Not sure if they'll get any lower than 8 next draft, a lot of shitty teams are gonna be tanking next year. Our own pick is gonna probably be better tbh.

[BatManu20]

Im honestly not sure what this signals for Atlanta's direction going forward.

I guess the plan is to keep Trae and surround him with defenders (Daniels, Risacher, Johnson). It's the East but I'd still put their ceiling is a play-in team right now tbh.

This is kind of a weird trade honestly. That Lakers FRP next year will likely be in the 20’s and the 2027 Pels/Bucks likely will too. LNJ helps them a bit now I guess, but unless they’re just in love with Dyson Daniels’ defense, I don’t see why they didn’t wait this out til at least the trade deadline or even next Summer where they could probably get a better package from a desperate team. They must’ve been really desperate to get rid of Murray tbh :lol

[scott]

Don't want to get too excited because I don't want Trae Young to SA to be announced next.

[poopbox]

Wait people think the Hawks somehow lost in this?

They break up Trae and Dejounte which obviously wasn't working, get a useful player in Nance, and get two picks on top of it?

The Hawks are 2 playoffs appearances away from the Spurs trading Dejounte for 2 non lottery draft picks :lol

[mystargtr34]

That doesn’t seem like great value for Murray even though he’s overrated.

It does seem like a good thing for the Spurs picks from Atlanta but be careful what you wish for Murray is a kind of addition by subtraction type of guy. Still the Hawks could have got a real impact player for him, but they didn’t.

This trade is a net positive for Spurs.

[RC_Drunkford]

They will need to send out draft capital to offload Capela next. What y‘all talking about, as of right now they are trash. They need a real rim protector to be any good.

[LeBowen]

https://x.com/Atl_Burner11/status/1806821980613628308

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

[Blizzardwizard]

Can't wait for the 127-page 'HAWKS 2025 PICK WATCH' thread only for Wrong to punt it for a 2032 Pacers pick-swap on draft night.

[Mr. Body]

Don't want to get too excited because I don't want Trae Young to SA to be announced next.

Shut your mouth. Shut it

[BatManu20]

https://x.com/Atl_Burner11/status/1806821980613628308

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

Why does he even entertain his DM’s bro I’ll never understand these athletes :lol

[spurraider21]

i dont think they are cellar dwellers but remains a reasonable chance they wind up back in the lottery

[Mugen]

I didn't want DJ back but the Spurs could have easily beaten that offer. I honestly think the Lakers offer would have been better tbh :lol

[spurraider21]

I didn't want DJ back but the Spurs could have easily beaten that offer. I honestly think the Lakers offer would have been better tbh :lol
no no no media and klutch conspires to drive everybody to the lakers :madrun

[Rosewood]

:wow Good news for us though I still don’t think they are lottery bound if healthy.

[Mr. Body]

Goddamn now I'm worried we'll get Trae

[BatManu20]

Assuming these are their lineups this season, I see a Play-in team at best. Maaaaybe 6th-7th Seed if they really gel. But Trae is basically their only playmaker. He’s gonna have to really carry the load this season, which I guess is nothing new.

Trae Young
Bogdan Bogdanovic
Zaccarie Risacher
Jalen Johnson
Clint Capela

Kobe Bufkin
Wesley Matthews
De’Andre Hunter/Dyson Daniels
Larry Nance Jr./Saddiq Bay
Onyeka Okongwu

[scott]

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Chinook's dream for a reunion is dead.

[Dejounte]

This is a move to tank. They’re getting their picks back from us.

[scott]

Goddamn now I'm worried we'll get Trae

If we passed on Dillngham just to turn around and trade for Trae... holy shit, we're going to need more hamsters.

Will you start the FIRE PAFTO thread, or do you want me to?

[LeBowen]

Trae/Dyson/Jalen/Risacher/?
Bogdan/Bufkin/Nance/Okongwu

It all depends on who they get for Capela and Hunter.
It wouldn't surprise me if they try with Ayton now that the Blazers drafted Clingan.

Still a 7-10th seed in the East.

[BatManu20]

If Brian Wright trades all 3 or even 2 of those picks for Trae, he better be on the next train out of town tbh.

[Dejounte]

If we passed on Dillngham just to turn around and trade for Trae... holy shit, we're going to need more hamsters.

Will you start the FIRE PAFTO thread, or do you want me to?

You’re opposed to a move that gets us Trae?

[scott]

Also... that price for Murray makes the Bridges price look even more absurd. Bridges isn't that much a better piece than DJM.

[scott]

You’re opposed to a move that gets us Trae?

Yeah I've been off the Trae wagon for awhile... but that was before I knew our FO was afraid to make draft picks, haven't put too much thought into since then.

[Dverde]

Murray to NOLA and they didn't even have to give up BI? LOL Hawks.

I was a little concerned about those ATL picks for a minute... now I'm even more in love with them.

ATL probably didn’t want BI. This makes me believe Trae is coming to SA, so they can get their picks back to start the tank/rebuild. Maybe Spurs are refusing to give up 2025 pick, this trade gets them the Pels pick that year.

[td4mvp2k]

LMAO hawks FO really are dumb :lol

[kjhip1]

Watch us trade for Trae with us giving back thier picks and receiving the ones they just got from New Orleans in some way

[BatManu20]

The problem with trading for Trae is the rest of our roster is still ass. Unless it’s part of a series of other trades that land us other good players (unlikely), it really doesn’t make sense right now. Rather keep the picks tbh. Think PATFO are more patient than that.

[Mr. Body]

Atlanta resetting the market.

The market is confused.

[scott]

ATL probably didn’t want BI. This makes me believe Trae is coming to SA, so they can get their picks back to start the tank/rebuild. Maybe Spurs are refusing to give up 2025 pick, this trade gets them the Pels pick that year.

If we could get Trae without giving up ATL25... okay, I'd maybe be interested. But... we could have also just drafted Dillingham.

[RC_Drunkford]

I was for a Trae Young trade, but in no way shape or form am I giving the Hawks their 25 pick back. There's a good chance we can draft a player better than him in the 2025 draft.

[Mr. Body]

The problem with trading for Trae is the rest of our roster is still ass. Unless it’s part of a series of other trades that land us other good players (unlikely), it really doesn’t make sense right now. Rather keep the picks tbh.

Trae blows up everything the team seems to want to do. In both sides of the ball.

[mystargtr34]

Also... that price for Murray makes the Bridges price look even more absurd. Bridges isn't that much a better piece than DJM.

If your rating players on a scale of 1-10 in terms of trade value (age, quality, fit) I think Bridges is an 8 where as Murray is a 6. Regardless that package the Knicks gave for Bridges was an overpay but this Murray deal is good value for Pels imo.

[LeBowen]

Atlanta either tries to compete or Trae is coming here, there's no other option.
His value is low and anything they get for him would be way less valuable than their own picks.

Just to be clear, I don't want Trae, but if PATFO wants to compete, then we'd have to get rid of all these scrubs in Trae trade.

ATL picks, Collins, Tre, Graham, Malaki, Wesley for Trae would be the only somewhat acceptable scenario.

Then get Cam Johnson with Keldon, Jeremy and a FRP.

[Dejounte]

The problem with trading for Trae is the rest of our roster is still ass. Unless it’s part of a series of other trades that land us other good players (unlikely), it really doesn’t make sense right now. Rather keep the picks tbh. Think PATFO are more patient than that.

All good teams are top heavy and those top two or top three players always make the rest of the roster look good, even if they were scrubs before.

[Degoat]

Poor ATL lol They have to be moving on from Trae Young.

[scott]

If your rating players on a scale of 1-10 in terms of trade value (age, quality, fit) I think Bridges is an 8 where as Murray is a 6. Regardless that package the Knicks gave for Bridges was an overpay but this Murray deal is good value for Pels imo.

If Murray is a 6, then I think Bridges is a 7. Just my opinion. Definitely agree Knicks underpaid and Pels got a bargain. This is a real steal for NO, IMO. Especially if they can now move BI to recoup those picks or get another player.

[baseline bum]

Don't want to get too excited because I don't want Trae Young to SA to be announced next.

I mean the fact they just drafted Castle and wanted no part of Dillingham should tell you where they stand on small PGs.

[vy65]

What's the thinking as to why ATL is still a legit threat for the play-in? Seems to me all they have now is Trae + Jalen. That doesn't strike me as a team better than Charlotte, for example. I could see Detroit, Washington, and Brooklyn being worse. This version of ATL seems on par with Toronto to me, putting them 11-12th in the east.

[baseline bum]

Wait people think the Hawks somehow lost in this?

They break up Trae and Dejounte which obviously wasn't working, get a useful player in Nance, and get two picks on top of it?

The Hawks are 2 playoffs appearances away from the Spurs trading Dejounte for 2 non lottery draft picks :lol

Because Dejounte is good enough that they should have been able to get starting quality players or at least a lottery pick or two for him. They got neither.

[mystargtr34]

If Murray is a 6, then I think Bridges is a 7. Just my opinion. Definitely agree Knicks underpaid and Pels got a bargain. This is a real steal for NO, IMO. Especially if they can now move BI to recoup those picks or get another player.

Yeah agree good move for Pels. I still don’t like the fit with BI-Zion-Dejounte I think as you say Ingram is still getting traded. If they can somehow get a rim protecting/vertical spacer C like Jarrett Allen or a floor spacing shooting C that will be good for them.

C
Zion
Murphy
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CJ off the bench

[scott]

Alternate scenario, because I have a hard time believing PAFTO would even be interested in Trae...

3-team trade where ATL gets their picks back, Trae goes somewhere else, and the Spurs get a handful of picks in the next millennium.

[baseline bum]

Alternate scenario, because I have a hard time believing PAFTO would even be interested in Trae...

3-team trade where ATL gets their picks back, Trae goes somewhere else, and the Spurs get a handful of picks in the next millennium.

Oh fuck off scott :lol

[Mugen]

Passing on a tiny guard like Dilly only to sell the farm for Trae Young would be the BWrongiest move of all time tbh. I'm here for it :lol

[spurraider21]

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[RC_Drunkford]

Atlanta either tries to compete or Trae is coming here, there's no other option.
His value is low and anything they get for him would be way less valuable than their own picks.

Just to be clear, I don't want Trae, but if PATFO wants to compete, then we'd have to get rid of all these scrubs in Trae trade.

ATL picks, Collins, Tre, Graham, Malaki, Wesley for Trae would be the only somewhat acceptable scenario.

Then get Cam Johnson with Keldon, Jeremy and a FRP.

least favorable of ATL, CHI and SA 25 pick. And that's way too much to give up for Cam Johnson

[PhantomDashCam]

IIRC, Derrick White was always the original choice to pair with Trae in the backcourt.
Dyson Daniels has always carried the DW, best case label.

I don't think the Spurs have any interest in Trae tbh. Ball dominant, undersized, average three point shooter...on second thoughts, that last part might appeal to them...

[SpursDynasty85]

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Looking for a Vet to trade for?

[LeBowen]

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There are definitely some options in the works, no way they'd be even considering guaranteeing his contract if he isn't a potential salary filler.

Collins+Graham+Tre equals ~38.5M and Trae will make $43M in the upcoming season.
Time to keep panicking, tbh.

[Dejounte]

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Why?

[Mugen]

Graham is good salary filler for somebody that wants to dump long term money tbh. Good move.

[Guru of Nothing]

I was all in for trading for Trae in mid-season; now, fuck no.

Is Wemby, Flagg, Castle, Vassell, and Traore the dream? ...With salary cap to spare.

[RC_Drunkford]

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[Mr. Body]

Trae is what a lot of teams would do here. Castle covers his incredible defensive shortcomings. You don't need many shooters because he's going to be shooting all the shots. You don't take the 8th pick to clear more cap space to absorb his huge salary.

[kjhip1]

Would castle and Wemby be enough to mask deficiencies of Trae’s Defense?

[spurraider21]

Why?
buying time to find a trade partner

either they will use his 2.85 guaranteed as salary filler as part of a bigger trade (or exercise the guarantee to create 12.5mil in salary matching... which is what happened when the suns sent CP3 to help match beal's salary), or

attach a shitty SRP or SRP swap to have somebody else absorb the 2.85 guarantee and free up a small amount of cap space for us

[spurraider21]

Graham is good salary filler for somebody that wants to dump long term money tbh. Good move.
we should be absorbing all the bad contracts until we finally cash out with that 2031 pick

[scott]

buying time to find a trade partner

either they will use his 2.85 guaranteed as salary filler as part of a bigger trade (or exercise the guarantee to create 12.5mil in salary matching... which is what happened when the suns sent CP3 to help match beal's salary), or

attach a shitty SRP or SRP swap to have somebody else absorb the 2.85 guarantee and free up a small amount of cap space for us

Gotta make sure that extra $10MM is on the cap sheet to block us from being active in the first week of Free Agency.

[spurraider21]

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[RC_Drunkford]

we are definitely cooking up something. The question is what? I'm kinda 50/50 on Young right now

[timtonymanu]

Some Spurs fan before the Dejounte trade: I hope we traded Dilly cause we're getting Trae Young

Some Spurs fan after the Dejounte trade: I hope we keep those FRPs instead of trading for Trae Young

[z0sa]

Where does Castle go if we get Trae Young? Seems a bit counter-intuitive of a pick if we're moving in that direction. Especially after he was so adamant about playing PG pre-draft, though after what he's focused on speaking about since being drafted, that could have been smoke after all.

[Mr. Body]

Where does Castle go if we get Trae Young? Seems a bit counter-intuitive of a pick if we're moving in that direction. Especially after he was so adamant about playing PG pre-draft, though after what he's focused on speaking about since being drafted, that could have been smoke after all.

Trae would be a massive slap to the face to Castle:

"We want you to cover all the incredible deficiencies, laziness, ineptitude of this guy on defense. On offense, where you want to play an active role, just stand in the corner and watch him chuck away. Welcome to the team."

[Payote75]

Traes asking price just went down but Wemby castle Sochan is more than fine defensively vassell isn't a bad defender either. Also I know I may be in the minority but true fits the window he's a perfect fit with Wemby and his voicing of wanting towinhe may be ready to take the next step in his maturity and growth and also he wants to play here he knows this isn't his team might make him even better then add pop in there coaching him and the pedigree of this organisation he might just surprise people. Lastly even with a great 2025 class there's never a guarantee on what your getting and the time it will take trae is already legit a sure thing and still young.

[scott]

Some Spurs fan before the Dejounte trade: I hope we traded Dilly cause we're getting Trae Young

Some Spurs fan after the Dejounte trade: I hope we keep those FRPs instead of trading for Trae Young

Link?

[RC_Drunkford]

Where does Castle go if we get Trae Young? Seems a bit counter-intuitive of a pick if we're moving in that direction. Especially after he was so adamant about playing PG pre-draft, though after what he's focused on speaking about since being drafted, that could have been smoke after all.

he goes to Small Forward

[objective]

If they wanted a small forward defender who couldn't shoot they should have taken Holland

[Spurs Homer]

Getting trae would ease the sting of giving away dilly for absolutely nothing...

[Kevin]

As others have said no way the Hawks do this deal without getting their picks back. Trae Young is probably a Spurs sooner than later.

[Spurs Brazil]

https://x.com/BobbyMarks42/status/1806836475088060770

[Mr. Body]

As others have said no way the Hawks do this deal without getting their picks back. Trae Young is probably a Spurs sooner than later.

Eh, the trade specifically gives them draft capital when they didn't have any. (Note: they have Sacramento's next year, too.) It's what Toronto did this year when they weren't getting their own pick - they made sure they got one from Indiana during the Siakam trade.

If Atlanta was getting their picks back, these would be less important to get.

[BackHome]

Just thinking of getting Trae made me almost throw up :vomit: and I even haven't started drinking yet.......

[benefactor]

In before the sniffer crew justifies the upcoming Young acquisition

[spurraider21]

In before the sniffer crew justifies the upcoming Young acquisition
depends on the price tag

even though a trae trade is not my favorite outcome, the terms of the trade can always make it better or worse

[Mr. Body]

No way could I justify a Trae Young trade. He never fit what the Spurs are looking to do in terms of timeline, play style, attitude, or anything. Like I've said, he drops the ceiling of this team down a significant amount. You have to play him a certain way, have the ball in his hands an ungodly amount, put up with his below-average shooting, and have him get crushed on defense. Every possession he has is one that Wembanyama doesn't have.

[benefactor]

depends on the price tag

even though a trae trade is not my favorite outcome, the terms of the trade can always make it better or worse
They could have just taken Dilly at 8. Then we wouldn't even be here. Not saying Dilly is Young, but it's better than the current hoop jumping exercise that is potentially playing out.

[scott]

depends on the price tag

even though a trae trade is not my favorite outcome, the terms of the trade can always make it better or worse

Yeah, if we give up ALL our picks for Trae... but Collins also goes... it will be a tough call for me, tbh

[spurraider21]

They could have just taken Dilly at 8. Then we wouldn't even be here. Not saying Dilly is Young, but it's better than the current hoop jumping exercise that is potentially playing out.
you dont have to sell me on dilly. i had him higher than Castle on my board :lol

think i had them 4 and 5 respectively

with that said, Trae is (and coming out of college, was) a much more proven distributor and offensive engine, even if dillingham is quicker and, at least through college, more efficient

[Devi8or]

There's always the factor of knowing what you're getting too, I guess the question is.....is Trae worth the difference over Dilly considering we can guarantee what he is? Dilly could be a cheaper Trae, but he could also be out of the league in a few years for all we know. At least with Trae they have a proven nba all star who can easily get buckets at this level

[Mr. Body]

Dillingham would have been a far better pick, if we had to.

Doesn't cost $40 million a year. Doesn't cost first round draft picks beyond the one to get him.

Far better outside shooter.

Not quite as ball dominant.

Can play off-ball. Trae is possibly the worst off-ball player in the league.

Trae pounds the shit out of the ball before trying to do anything at all.

Dillingham at least tries on defense.

Dillingham is potentially able to be molded as a player.

It's hard to describe how rotten Trae Young is as a player.

[spurraider21]

Dillingham would have been a far better pick, if we had to.

Doesn't cost $40 million a year. Doesn't cost first round draft picks beyond the one to get him.

Far better outside shooter.

Not quite as ball dominant.

Can play off-ball. Trae is possibly the worst off-ball player in the league.

Trae pounds the shit out of the ball before trying to do anything at all.

Dillingham at least tries on defense.

Dillingham is potentially able to be molded as a player.

It's hard to describe how rotten Trae Young is as a player.
to me these are the big ones. toward the end of last season we saw wemby operating as a hub, running a lot more inverted pick and rolls. really fascinating stuff... off-ball play is going to be important everywhere, as it is for Denver

[ace3g]

James L. Edwards III
@JLEdwardsIII
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Sources: The Pistons will not pick up Evan Fournier’s $19 million team option. The deadline for Fournier was tomorrow.

Expected move.

[Leetonidas]

Westbrook not expected to return to LAC

Wonder where he ends up

[Pauleta14]

Wait people think the Hawks somehow lost in this?

They break up Trae and Dejounte which obviously wasn't working, get a useful player in Nance, and get two picks on top of it?

The Hawks are 2 playoffs appearances away from the Spurs trading Dejounte for 2 non lottery draft picks :lol

I think it's the low valuation of DJ compared to what was expected that makes ppl react that way.

I agree with you and I'm afraid with all those East teams tanking hard, it's not going to be hard for ATL to reach the POs

[Pauleta14]

https://x.com/BobbyMarks42/status/1806836475088060770

What's the advantage to act as a team over the cap for the Spurs?

[scott]

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Its tampering szn!

[Ddm5]

What's the advantage to act as a team over the cap for the Spurs?

My sense is if they can find a Trade or a Sign-and-Trade partner, they can use it in that situation. If they don’t find something then they waive by the deadline.

[timtonymanu]

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Its tampering szn!

The whole time when I saw Boston expose Dallas's weaknesses, I thought to myself to "Gee a washed up Klay Thompson will solve all these problems for Dallas."

[BackHome]

Some times you throw enough shit at the wall it will eventually stick...

[Ariel]

I agree with you and I'm afraid with all those East teams tanking hard, it's not going to be hard for ATL to reach the POs
The play-in is easy to make in the East, since there will be 5 tanking teams (Charlotte, Chicago, Detroit, Brooklyn and Washington) so Atlanta should make the play-in by default. However, 7 out of those remaining 10 teams are clearly above Atlanta right now (Boston, New York, Philadelphia, Indiana, Cleveland, Orlando and Milwaukee) so Atlanta would have to go through the play in (fighting with one of those 7 plus Miami and Toronto) so I think they're more likely to miss the playoffs than make them, and if that's the case then lottery order goes by record and it doesn't matter which conference the team belongs to. All in all, probably Atlanta makes the play in as a 9th ./ 10th seed, gets eliminated and ends up a lottery team in the 10-14 range. However, an injury to Trae or Jalen Johnson may be all it takes for their record to plummet and then there's no telling how bad they can be.

[Ariel]

least favorable of ATL, CHI and SA 25 pick. And that's way too much to give up for Cam Johnson
If the Chicago pick doesn't convey and both Atlanta and the Spurs don't make the playoffs, you just gave up a lottery pick in a loaded draft for Cam Johnson. Spurs should send a protected first of their own a few years down the road, say Spurs '29 or something like that, then add a few 2nd rounders + projects (Branham, Wesley, Cissoko) and filler.

[Pauleta14]

The play-in is easy to make in the East, since there will be 5 tanking teams (Charlotte, Chicago, Detroit, Brooklyn and Washington) so Atlanta should make the play-in by default. However, 7 out of those remaining 10 teams are clearly above Atlanta right now (Boston, New York, Philadelphia, Indiana, Cleveland, Orlando and Milwaukee) so Atlanta would have to go through the play in (fighting with one of those 7 plus Miami and Toronto) so I think they're more likely to miss the playoffs than make them, and if that's the case then lottery order goes by record and it doesn't matter which conference the team belongs to. All in all, probably Atlanta makes the play in as a 9th ./ 10th seed, gets eliminated in the play-in, and finishes in the lottery in the 10-14 range. However, an injury to Trae or Jalen Johnson may be all it takes for their record to plummet and then there's no telling how bad their record can be.

Good points.

So much can still happen in the coming days/weeks that'd change again all our theories anyway

[Ariel]

What's the thinking as to why ATL is still a legit threat for the play-in? Seems to me all they have now is Trae + Jalen. That doesn't strike me as a team better than Charlotte, for example. I could see Detroit, Washington, and Brooklyn being worse. This version of ATL seems on par with Toronto to me, putting them 11-12th in the east.
Because unlike Atlanta, Charlotte wants to tank. That's the big difference. IMO Atlanta makes the play in as a 9th/10th seed.

[scott]

Some playoff team, either now or at the deadline, will give up a 25 or 26 FRP for Cam Johnson (maybe even multiple). He's a useful role player on a contending team. I'm thinking of the Gafford, PJ Washington, Thad Young trades. Gafford is the best of that bunch, but Washington actually got the greatest return, IMO. Still can't believe we got anything for Thad Young, tbh.

[Chinook]

Klay Thompson can shoot, and he's theoretically a small-forward at this stage of his career. With the Dillingham trade clearing cap space, the Spurs can probably outbid most reasonable offers.

[exstatic]

ATL ready for a rebuild??

https://x.com/esidery/status/1806715287200219306

Fucking awesome.

[Seventyniner]

I can't understand why the Hawks would tear it down when they don't control their draft for the next 3 years. Is the new ownership just wanting to roll the dice compared to what they have now?

[Chinook]

I can't understand why the Hawks would tear it down when they don't control their draft for the next 3 years. Is the new ownership just wanting to roll the dice compared to what they have now?

Well one of Young or Murray had to go. I don't think it's unreasonable to put both on the block to see what you get and then decide if it makes sense to keep the other one.

Hunter is not good, especially considering the injuries. I don't blame the Hawks for cutting bait. After seeing what Bridges got I would be more than willing to test the market on Bogdanovic

Capella isn't an asset, and using him to reset the Collins TE would just be good business.

OO has always been overvalued for what he was.

The question I would have is this: What would a Hawks/Spurs trade to restore their picks look like? I think they might need to find some unprotected picks from somewhere to make this worthwhile, but are there actual ways ATL can provide value while protected Risacher and Johnson and not requiring a Young trade?

Like maybe get the best of SAC25 and LAL25 and have the option to swap SA's worst 2025 pick with the other, NOP/MKE27 and taking Zach Collins into their TE for the return of ATL25 and extinguishment of the 2026 swap.

The Spurs give up the upside of the Hawks pick next year but still retain three picks next season, including an unprotected pick and potentially get to hedge against one of CHI/LAL and SAC having an unexpectedly good season. With Collins off the books, the Spurs get significantly closer to a third-level max slot. The Spurs keep ATL27 and get an unprotected pick swap, which apparently makes the FO cream their pants.

The best part is that it pushes value out into the future, which is the most important thing when making trades.

[DPG21920]

I can't understand why the Hawks would tear it down when they don't control their draft for the next 3 years. Is the new ownership just wanting to roll the dice compared to what they have now?

There’s two scenarios:

1) Its possible they have no choice. Maybe Trae is forcing way out and theres nothing they can do for most part other than get as many picks in the best drafts possible and hope for the best. Or maybe they trade and hope that SA pulls a HOU/BKY deal and gives them their picks back in return for what they get for DJ + Trae in other deals. If Trae asks out because ATL used the number one pick on a non win now guy + traded DJ for mostly a non win now package (although Daniels and Nance are rotation guys) maybe he asks out?

2) They just have no faith in trying to build around Trae and despite not having their own picks, they want as many swings at 25-27 drafts because what happens with their own picks is a sunk cost? Seems very unlikely, but they may internally be saying “we have no clear path to build around Trae and if we had our own picks we would blow it up”. Seems very unlikely.

My guess is it’s a hedge. They can try some things and if its going terrible by the deadline or whatever, they can pivot if it looks like they are going to give SA a great pick regardless of what they wanted and shop Trae for best they can get to still walk away with a better shot at a nice rebuild in prime drafts

[BacktoBasics]

There’s two scenarios:

1) Its possible they have no choice. Maybe Trae is forcing way out and theres nothing they can do for most part other than get as many picks in the best drafts possible and hope for the best. Or maybe they trade and hope that SA pulls a HOU/BKY deal and gives them their picks back in return for what they get for DJ + Trae in other deals. If Trae asks out because ATL used the number one pick on a non win now guy + traded DJ for mostly a non win now package (although Daniels and Nance are rotation guys) maybe he asks out?

2) They just have no faith in trying to build around Trae and despite not having their own picks, they want as many swings at 25-27 drafts because what happens with their own picks is a sunk cost? Seems very unlikely, but they may internally be saying “we have no clear path to build around Trae and if we had our own picks we would blow it up”. Seems very unlikely.

My guess is it’s a hedge. They can try some things and if its going terrible by the deadline or whatever, they can pivot if it looks like they are going to give SA a great pick regardless of what they wanted and shop Trae for best they can get to still walk away with a better shot at a nice rebuild in prime drafts

I’ll take Atlanta gambling that it was addition by subtraction and the idea that Risacher is gonna be super impactful from day 1.

Because they’ll likely shit the bed and the pick starts looking extremely good by the deadline. Then they’ll really be backed into a corner.

If they want to deal now then that’s fine but if they want to fuck around until the trade deadline I’m all about finding out.

[DPG21920]

My guess is the find a way to trade some combo of the picks they just got, Clint, Hunter and maybe Nance for a legit win now upgrade. Let’s see what that fetches.

But it would be insanely sick to see a Woj bomb about Trae Young requesting a trade from ATL lol

[BatManu20]

Honestly, the Hawks just hired Onsi Soleh from Golden State a couple months ago as their new Assistant General Manager and I think he, along with Landry Fields and Quin Snyder, probably sat down and talked and came to the conclusion that they need to go in a new direction, whatever that may be. Whether it’s trading off Trae and the rest of their assets for draft picks, or trading DJ for picks and then combing those with a current player on their team for another good player to help Trae, think they realized it’s time to shake things up pretty quickly.

They may have even concluded that they’re not going to compete for anything with a 6’1 SG as their best player, so they might be better off tearing it down and starting anew tbh. Especially as the Nuggets and Celtics are in the middle of their runs. They likely know they’re not competing with that. If they could get a trade offer of multiple FRP’s for Trae right now, they’d probably offload him in a heartbeat. But they don’t want to just give him away and I bet they’re not getting anywhere near the offers they’re looking for for him. They’re stuck between a rock and a hard place rn tbh.

[DPG21920]

Have to see what else ATL does here obviously but as things stand, any injury to Trae Young next season, especially an early one would be just disastrous for them and crazy luck for SA. They have no margin for error.

Now, again, with Trae healthy, hes easily good enough to cake walk them to 9th or 10th seed given how all the non-playoff teams in east really suck and are mostly tanking, but it’s all on him as of now.

[mystargtr34]

I’m not a fan of Trae but if you’re going to do that deal the Spurs can low ball and give the the Hawks their 2025 pick and 26 swap back and that’s it. Give the Hawks control back for their next two drafts. We keep their 27 pick.

Hawks prob do that tbh as it allows them to tank in a loaded 25 draft. This alone is prob worth two unprotected picks for the Hawks.

[Mr. Body]

My guess is the find a way to trade some combo of the picks they just got, Clint, Hunter and maybe Nance for a legit win now upgrade. Let’s see what that fetches.

But it would be insanely sick to see a Woj bomb about Trae Young requesting a trade from ATL lol

I think they got those picks as hedge against losing their own. They'll bet on not cratering into the high lottery again, which is a fairly safe bet. The Lakers pick could be not terrible, depending. And my feel is Trae is gonna love having the team back. This is a stamp of approval - he'll be the man again.

I'm not sure about Capela. They need him still, unless they can snare a big somehow.

[CGD]

I don’t want Trae Young.

But if the Spurs were interested in him I would just sit back and wait for Atlanta to get desperate, and for Young to start agitating. Let them negotiate against themselves and then counteroffer that low starting price. We are in zero hurry.

It’s what the Raptors did to us with Leonard.

[onechance87]

they aint trading trae....Trae sales the tickets and is the identity of atl..Unless trae publicly comes out saying he wants out.
Think they just build around him what whatever they can.Which may favor us next couple of years.

[spurraider21]

Send the hawks their picks back with top 3 protections on all of them :lol

[heyheymymy]

Damn pushing the guarantee date for Graham back signals some stuff cooking in SA

That's a sweet $10MM off coupon for some team. If I was a GM I'd desire that.

[DPG21920]

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[heyheymymy]

Would not mind trying to pry Cam Johnson from BKN

Cooling yet quite high on Lauri. Harris would be realistic and okay but not too high on him.

but please no Young, Klay, PG, Garland, DLo.

[kobyz]

Like I said the Spurs only do this deal if they are very confident of a Lauri extension either now or next summer.

Pacers give up three firsts of Siakam but Lauri is almost exactly three years younger than Siakam and will make 18M in the final year of his deal instead of 36M like Siakam.
The difference between Spurs and Pacers in that regard is Spurs have cap space to sign Laury straight up the following year and can be patient with this

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Damn pushing the guarantee date for Graham back signals some stuff cooking in SA

That's a sweet $10MM off coupon for some team. If I was a GM I'd desire that.

This loophole with unguaranteed contracts has been closed with the new CBA. They can trade his contract with only the value of the guaranteed portion of it (2.85) or guarantee all of it and trade it as a 12.65 contract. Teams over the cap can’t trade a 13 mil contract for him and waive him at 2.85 mil.

[heyheymymy]

This loophole with unguaranteed contracts has been closed with the new CBA. They can trade his contract with only the value of the guaranteed portion of it (2.85) or guarantee all of it and trade it as a 12.65 contract. Teams over the cap can’t trade a 13 mil contract for him and waive him at 2.85 mil.

Good info thank you.

Man that sucks but I understand why you'd want to close such an exploit. Still say a contract is a contract, you receive whatever clauses or aspects with the trade. It should still function as it did before with the other team, and all executable components still valid and functional.

[exstatic]

I didn't want DJ back but the Spurs could have easily beaten that offer. I honestly think the Lakers offer would have been better tbh :lol

I called months ago that ATL would send him out on a lesser offer, rather than let us have him for anything less than all of their picks back.

[exstatic]

:wow Good news for us though I still don’t think they are lottery bound if healthy.

They were in the lottery this year, and just traded DJ for nearly nothing! :lol

[exstatic]

Westbrook not expected to return to LAC

Wonder where he ends up
Old folks home.

[HankChinaski]

What would be hilarious if the spurs trade for Murray from the pelicans for something else that doesn't involve atlanta's picks that would be hilarious

Don't really want him back though.

[kobyz]

Would you do Johnson, Collins, Jones, Atlanta pick for Tre and Hunter?

[CGD]

Imagine trading for Lari Markennen knowing that you’re gonna have to offer him a contract worth over 200M. Use your head guys—Spurs ain’t doing that.

[CGD]

This loophole with unguaranteed contracts has been closed with the new CBA. They can trade his contract with only the value of the guaranteed portion of it (2.85) or guarantee all of it and trade it as a 12.65 contract. Teams over the cap can’t trade a 13 mil contract for him and waive him at 2.85 mil.

True, but it’s still a coupon for a team looking to shed salary. Like Milwaukee could send us Brook Lopez for that contract (and maybe another piece) and they save boat loads of cash on the difference given the new salary cap rules.

[buttsR4rebounding]

I called months ago that ATL would send him out on a lesser offer, rather than let us have him for anything less than all of their picks back.

He says with absolutely no proof the Spurs made any offer at all that ATL rejected requiring their picks back instead. Just like these horseshit takes that ATL will require all their picks back for Young. If the Spurs had the best offer in the table that includes the 26 swap and the 27 pick do you think they take a lesser package elsewhere with none of their picks? If they decide to move on from Young they will take the best package period.

[td4mvp2k]

Imagine trading for Lari Markennen knowing that you’re gonna have to offer him a contract worth over 200M. Use your head guys—Spurs ain’t doing that.
not only that why trade any real assets for him when he could be a FA next yr

[ace3g]

https://x.com/ShamsCharania/status/1806930626534138355

[Dverde]

Imagine trading for Lari Markennen knowing that you’re gonna have to offer him a contract worth over 200M. Use your head guys—Spurs ain’t doing that.

They gave Vassell a dump truck of money based on potential. It’s 2024 NBA and top 60 players get 200M deals. Just imagine how much Trae’s next deal could be. That number scares me more as he is not a two way player.

[exstatic]

They gave Vassell a dump truck of money based on potential. It’s 2024 NBA and top 60 players get 200M deals. Just imagine how much Trae’s next deal could be. That number scares me more as he is not a two way player.

Vassell got about $90M less over his deal than that Lauri figure,not counting unlikely incentives. Not a dump truck of money.

[ace3g]

https://x.com/wojespn/status/1807059734052102451

https://x.com/wojespn/status/1807060553715569007

https://x.com/MikeAScotto/status/1807059309064339594

[heyheymymy]

Cam Johnson and KCP

make it happen

[Ariel]

Imagine trading for Lari Markennen knowing that you’re gonna have to offer him a contract worth over 200M. Use your head guys—Spurs ain’t doing that.
Well, Immanuel Quickley got 175M, and he's a below average starting guard... I would not give up too much for Lauri given his situation (expiring on a difficult to extend contract), but come next summer I'd sure as hell offer him him that and more... some of these contract sound ridiculous, but if you want an all star caliber player, that's what you have to pay. Otherwise just draft and develop, or pay a lot of assets for one that is underpaid with several years remaining. There's no way around that.

[SpursFan86]

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[SOMA Spur]

Cam Johnson and KCP

make it happen
^ this guy gets it.

[Dverde]

Kevin Love declined his option.

[RedAzSa]

Max Christie just became a RFA. Weren’t the Spurs high on him in the 2021 draft?

[Leetonidas]

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Wasnt expected to return yesterday but picked up his option the next day :lol guess he found out there's no market for him