2024 NBA Off-Season Thread (FA, Trades, Extensions, Rumors)

[scott]

Can you bring me up to speed on what happened with us in the second round? I didnt tune in and I really don’t understand what happened.

There was reports that the Spurs didn't want to select someone at the top of the 2nd who wouldn't accept a 2-way (for comparison, for other purposes I had looked up last year's second round, and the top 10 picks of Round 2 all signed guaranteed deals, save for one who did not come over from overseas). When the Spurs pick came around, then traded down with Indiana (for cash) and then took Nunez, who is likely to be a draft-and-forever-stash. Basically, the Spurs punted so they could avoid a $1.6MM roster spot.

Even trading this for future SRPs would have been better and indeed, there were lots of trades all around us where teams got a better return than just cash for the FO to have a nice steak dinner.

[baseline bum]

Surprised Toppin got that much, Pacers getting close to a tax team

Toppin for about MLE is a bargain. Patrick Williams getting $90 million was the shocking deal.

[Mr. Body]

I dunno about Max Christie. LAL fans are excited and some say he was misused by Ham, but he just seems like a young guy who isn't very good yet. It's not very much though. Having a player of promise on that roster is a good thing considering their other moves lately.

[ace3g]

https://x.com/ChrisBHaynes/status/1807529901605400971

[scott]

https://x.com/mikefinger/status/1806151831522783615

This is what Mike Finger said directly after we traded #8. How quickly will him, McDonald, and company change their tune if we do nothing?

Also, I have this tweet bookmarked specifically so I can follow up on it later when nothing happens :lol

[Dejounte]

Come home, Chris Paul!

[Mr. Body]

Come home, Chris Paul!

New Orleans?

[scott]

https://x.com/ChrisBHaynes/status/1807529901605400971

lol for as much as the Spurs never do anything... the one thing they WOULD do is something fucking stupid like giving Chris Paul 3/90.

[Degoat]

I’d take CP3 but you have to think he wants to go to an actual contender

[k830713]

Toppin 60/4 =15
P. Williams 90/5 =18

[manufor3]

Also, I have this tweet bookmarked specifically so I can follow up on it later when nothing happens :lol

oh I have the same for this one from February

https://x.com/JMcDonald_SAEN/status/1756925424221687844

[Mr. Body]

Chris Paul to the Lakers prol

We may be better than the Warriors next year. They're sinking like a stone.

[ace3g]

https://x.com/ShamsCharania/status/1807532075542835525

[Blizzardwizard]

What we want in the next few hours: PATFO to get off their ass and be proactive for once


What we will get in the next few hours: Cedi Osman 2 - Electric Boogaloo

[scott]

oh I have the same for this one from February

https://x.com/JMcDonald_SAEN/status/1756925424221687844

Nice one... going to bookmark this one too. I'm sure McDonald will go on some diatribe about how adding Castle and some other nobody veteran doesn't count as running it back and we're all stupid.

[Chinook]

https://x.com/ShamsCharania/status/1807532075542835525

That leaves about $20 Million the Clippers could take back in a George sign-and-trade, thus highlighting that it's basically impossible for him to go to any team other than Philly, Orlando (Detroit technically) and LAC.

[itzsoweezee]

Nice one... going to bookmark this one too. I'm sure McDonald will go on some diatribe about how adding Castle and some other nobody veteran doesn't count as running it back and we're all stupid.

These guys have no shame

[scott]

Harden deal is a player option year 2. Fascinating how Harden has essentially turned into a guy on very expensive one-year deals.

[Mr. Body]

That leaves about $20 Million the Clippers could take back in a George sign-and-trade, thus highlighting that it's basically impossible for him to go to any team other than Philly, Orlando (Detroit technically) and LAC.

Once again, we badly need Clips to remain competitive. We cannot let OKC get one of their final chances at a great draft pick for a while.

[r0drig0lac]

https://x.com/TheDunkCentral/status/1807533085959037072

[CGD]

Harden deal is a player option year 2. Fascinating how Harden has essentially turned into a guy on very expensive one-year deals.

The Lebron, if you will

[Mr. Body]

https://x.com/TheDunkCentral/status/1807533085959037072

And Chris Paul has "strong interest" in Los Angeles.

[Spurs Homer]

Letting dilly go for free

acquiring 56 yr old chrissy who will be injured half the season

brilliant!

[ace3g]

https://x.com/wojespn/status/1807534644314968468

[Chinook]

Once again, we badly need Clips to remain competitive. We cannot let OKC get one of their final chances at a great draft pick for a while.

Bro, the Spurs have Wemby. They don't have to be looking over at other teams hoping they don't get good players. They just need to keep their own house.

[ace3g]

https://x.com/ShamsCharania/status/1807535230837748118

[Spurs Brazil]

https://twitter.com/TheSteinLine/status/1807532916567576818

[Chinook]

It's funny that the early breaks from the real moratorium period are deals that could've been broken days ago.

[ace3g]

https://x.com/wojespn/status/1807535956947341630

[MannyIsGod]

lol for as much as the Spurs never do anything... the one thing they WOULD do is something fucking stupid like giving Chris Paul 3/90.

No one is giving CP that much money. He might get an MLE deal.

[Chinook]

The Clippers are fascinating, because they can't acquire a player via sign-and-trade. So it sounds like Klay might be looking at MLE money.

[lefty20]

Four minutes in and no one has switched teams yet. Agents/teams are actually waiting to announce/leak things now to avoid tampering charges. I doubt they are actually adhering to no-contact rules.

[Eaglenole2002]

Four minutes in and no one has switched teams yet. Agents/teams are actually waiting to announce/leak things now to avoid tampering charges. I doubt they are actually adhering to no-contact rules.
Yeah, I bet agents/teams are waiting for the first deal to leak of a player changing teams and then the floodgates will open.

[Chinook]

Anyone else refreshing ST to see if it's going to slow down? The site not loading tends to be my cue that the team did something.

[scott]

No one is giving CP that much money. He might get an MLE deal.

The Spurs are the masters of giving guys deals that no one else would

[Robz4000]

Anyone else refreshing ST to see if it's going to slow down? The site not loading tends to be my cue that the team did something.

:lol usually my first clue too if I don't get a notification on my phone first

[Davidicus]

Sign CP3 to mentor Castle? I hate him as much as anyone else here, but count me in.

[ace3g]

https://x.com/MikeAScotto/status/1807538249570615300

[Degoat]

If we sign cp3 we gotta sign a shooter

[Dejounte]

Sign CP3 to mentor Castle? I hate him as much as anyone else here, but count me in.

It would be similar to when TMac was brought in to mentor Kawhi tbh

I personally think that was an underrated contribution to his development as a player

[ace3g]

https://x.com/wojespn/status/1807539266404143405

[baseline bum]

There was reports that the Spurs didn't want to select someone at the top of the 2nd who wouldn't accept a 2-way (for comparison, for other purposes I had looked up last year's second round, and the top 10 picks of Round 2 all signed guaranteed deals, save for one who did not come over from overseas). When the Spurs pick came around, then traded down with Indiana (for cash) and then took Nunez, who is likely to be a draft-and-forever-stash. Basically, the Spurs punted so they could avoid a $1.6MM roster spot.

Even trading this for future SRPs would have been better and indeed, there were lots of trades all around us where teams got a better return than just cash for the FO to have a nice steak dinner.

I think it's worse, they'd only need to pay Furphy $1.16 million.

[LeBowen]

Fuck CP3 even though having him would make sense.

[Pauleta14]

Sign CP3 to mentor Castle? I hate him as much as anyone else here, but count me in.

And Wemby!

We need a couple "bad guys" to protect him

[ace3g]

https://x.com/KellyIko/status/1807539910343303198

[Davidicus]

And Wemby!

We need a couple "bad guys" to protect him

For sure, the whole damn team tbh

[benefactor]

https://x.com/KellyIko/status/1807539910343303198
San Antonio has a decent shot at this one

[ace3g]

https://x.com/KellyIko/status/1807464582698397832

[DPG21920]

CP3 sucks man - hes washed. I get the connection but hope Spurs dont do it

[onechance87]

https://x.com/KellyIko/status/1807539910343303198

batum still got it in him last time i saw him.

[scott]

1807530487621234698

[ace3g]

https://x.com/ShamsCharania/status/1807541887219212563

[objective]

His contract is cheap as hell considering he was 4th in minutes and 3rd in win shares on the team. $15 million is only 10.6% of the cap for next year.

He was only 4th in minutes totals because of injuries and trades. In minutes per game he was 7th on their current roster.

The issue is the tax for an ownership that has historically been almost as cheapskate as the broke Spurs.

They got Nesmith on a good deal, but they still have to pay Nembhard and Turner's deal is ending after next year also. Halliburton any Siakam is what, $90 million next year?

[scott]

LOL, I love these. Jordan Poole sucks so bad he's not even worth the league minimum

1807541970904248578

[objective]

Supposedly all year Batum's wife was insisting he retire if they can't be in LA

[Degoat]

Teams waiting for the PG13/Klay Domino to drop?

[MannyIsGod]

CP3 sucks man - hes washed. I get the connection but hope Spurs dont do it

He's not going to be CP3 but considering what the Spurs had at PG last year and what he understands as a vet I think he'd be fine for the MLE for a couple of years. Really don't see what the downside is. He's not going to be an awful player.

[Chinook]

It's extremely hard for the Knicks to remove their hard cap. Basically if they trade less salary than they bring in (like they did with Bogdanovic for Bridges), they are hard-capped at the first apron. But if they add a player so that they send out more salary than they take in, they are hard-capped at the second apron. They'd have to send out one player making more Bridges, and they can't do that without really cutting into the quick of their team. It would be interesting if teams were just unwilling to let the Knicks alter the trade, forcing them to renege on the OG or Bridges deal.

[baseline bum]

San Antonio has a decent shot at this one

About fucking time we get Batum in a Spurs uni.

[Mugen]

Man, I just want Batum and I know BWrong still won't be able to get that done tbh :lol

[baseline bum]

LOL, I love these. Jordan Poole sucks so bad he's not even worth the league minimum

1807541970904248578

Poole was third worst in the league in VORP last year. Just edging out Branham.

[Mugen]

OKC landing Hartenstein would be nasty. They'll be the biggest obstacle for us during the next decade with just how much better their coaching staff/front office is tbh.

[lefty20]

League needs to turn a blind eye to tampering, like the good old days. They've officially made the start of FA boring af.

[baseline bum]

OKC landing Hartenstein would be nasty. They'll be the biggest obstacle for us during the next decade with just how much better their coaching staff/front office is tbh.

Was pretty obvious they were going to get him once the Bridges trade went down.

[MannyIsGod]

Slowest free agency start I can remember.

[DPG21920]

He's not going to be CP3 but considering what the Spurs had at PG last year and what he understands as a vet I think he'd be fine for the MLE for a couple of years. Really don't see what the downside is. He's not going to be an awful player.

One year deal only hopefully (which means 2 years with TO 2nd year)

[Mugen]

Was pretty obvious they were going to get him once the Bridges trade went down.

Yeah not a surprise. Just jealous of how much better they are at everything. BWrong & Co. wishes they could hold Presti's jock tbh.

Caruso trade, the Topic pick, and now they'll probably shore up their biggest need in Hartenstein. And they'll still have more picks than the Spurs. Just chess vs checkers tbh.

[RC_Drunkford]

Knicks should offload Randle if they are smart. They don't need him at all.

[scott]

Yeah new tamper rules are doing their job. But make everything boring. :lol

[Chinook]

Slowest free agency start I can remember.

It suggests the new regulations are actually successful so far. Yes, we've gotten done deals reported when they should've been just "both sides are heading toward X deal", but by letting the re-signings have an earlier start, it seems like the NBA has given media members "legal" deals to break while keeping the ones that would suggest tampering down considerably.

[MannyIsGod]

LOL Clips trying to trade Westbrook

[itzsoweezee]

Slowest free agency start I can remember.

Anti-tampering rules appear to have worked

[RC_Drunkford]

My list of desired moves:

- Flip Zach… into Lopez+Asset
- Flip Graham/Asset … into DeAndre Hunter
- sign Gary Trent Jr.

Tre/Castle
Vassell/Trent
Hunter/Champ
Sochan/Keldon
Wemby/Lopez

Be opportunistic with Keldon, Tre, Malaki trades throughout the year.

nobody is giving you an asset to take on Zach fuckin Collins. Offloading him would cost us multiple 2nd rounders at least. The Bucks ain't that stupid to trade for him.

[Chinook]

LOL Clips trying to trade Westbrook

Crazy that he opted into an LLE deal likely knowing he wasn't wanted.

[baseline bum]

LOL Clips trying to trade Westbrook

Ugh can just see BWrong getting him to mentor Castle with those Minnesota picks

[r0drig0lac]

https://x.com/TheDunkCentral/status/1807547212898996605

[benefactor]

OKC landing Hartenstein would be nasty. They'll be the biggest obstacle for us during the next decade with just how much better their coaching staff/front office is tbh.
Hopefully we can pluck Hurley from UConn tbh

[TD 21]

So it sounds like if the Clippers don't relent on a 4 year max at the last second (which seems unlikely), George signs with the 76ers and DeFrozen ends up with the Clippers.

Warriors and Scumbag in peril and Craptors irrelevant.:rollin

[onechance87]

LOL Clips trying to trade Westbrook

i can see cp3 going their if they get rid of westbrook

[Spurs Brazil]

https://twitter.com/PompeyOnSixers/status/1807548712756850868

[timtonymanu]

Man, I just want Batum and I know BWrong still won't be able to get that done tbh :lol

Why ruin Champenny's improvement when it's obvious he's not a starting wing.

[Mr. Body]

So it sounds like if the Clippers don't relent on a 4 year max at the last second (which seems unlikely), George signs with the 76ers and DeFrozen ends up with the Clippers.

Warriors and Scumbag in peril and Craptors irrelevant.:rollin

As long as Clips tread water, that's okay. Warriors and Lakers are sinking.

Rumors that Kings really looking at Brandon Ingram.

[sfernald]

https://twitter.com/PompeyOnSixers/status/1807548712756850868

No way spurs are dumb enough to sign Harris!

[Mr. Body]

I would like Batum, yeah. Perfect short-term signing to soak up minutes with depth and teach one or two things.

[sfernald]

Smart teams will wait until most of the other teams blow their load and then pick up the scraps dirt cheap!

[timtonymanu]

Imagine if Spurs would get batum after they were suppose to get him before drafting George Hill. If he's looking for a ring though, it won't be here.

[RC_Drunkford]

would you?

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[sfernald]

I would like Batum, yeah. Perfect short-term signing to soak up minutes with depth and teach one or two things.

Sign Batum, trade a couple seconds for Brogdan and trade Zollins to Detroit into cap space and call it a perfect off-season!

[Mr. Body]

would you?

1807428971702690235

No one's taking Lavine with a FRP. His contract is the new Ben Simmons contract.

[Chinook]

The Spurs don't have enough cap space to give Harris for it to actually be a bad deal.

[Spurs Brazil]

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1807550698260758730

[Chinook]

There it goes. First outside FA deal leaked.

[Leetonidas]

would you?

1807428971702690235

Remove the protection on their 2025 pick and throw in another first and yes

[Mr. Body]

Remove the protection on their 2025 pick and throw in another first and yes

Do you realize how bad that contract is? Lol. It even has a 15% trade kicker.

[Chinook]

would you?

1807428971702690235

Only if they're dropping the protections on CHI25. Lavine is not worth his money, but the team could use a sixth man. Then if he's healthy, they can sell him at the deadline this season or next.

[objective]

https://twitter.com/PompeyOnSixers/status/1807548712756850868

You just know that the Spurs are going to sign him, then all the weak SA media will start praising the decision.

"See! We said they weren't standing pat! Spurs mean business!". - Finger, McDonald, et al

All for a guy who had 0 points in his final game for Philadelphia, and was so anti-hustle that he never drew a charge his whole time there

[mudyez]

Remove the protection on their 2025 pick and throw in another first and yes

Yeah, that really would have to be the price. I don't even hate him, but that money is scary especially with the kicker coming on top.

[RC_Drunkford]

Remove the protection on their 2025 pick and throw in another first and yes

nah not even then. We're talking 3 years of 43, 45 and 48 million. It would destroy our entire free agency process while having Wemby on the rookie deal.


Only if they're dropping the protections on CHI25. Lavine is not worth his money, but the team could use a sixth man. Then if he's healthy, they can sell him at the deadline this season or next.

nobody is taking his contract at the deadline. The earliest you could trade him is 2026, probably 2027 deadline rather, for teams who want an expiring to free up cap space. Meanwhile we wouldn't be able to sign anybody.

[Mr. Body]

Only if they're dropping the protections on CHI25. Lavine is not worth his money, but the team could use a sixth man. Then if he's healthy, they can sell him at the deadline this season or next.

You're not getting rid of him next summer.

So... we got an unprotected first and an unprotected swap for a pick in an unimpressive draft.

And now people want to buy a pick for $150 million. Amazing.

[sfernald]

No one's taking Lavine with a FRP. His contract is the new Ben Simmons contract.

I would do it if they agreed to remove the protection from the 2025 pick. Simple.

[ace3g]

https://x.com/ShamsCharania/status/1807553461724262573

[objective]

1. Lavine could waive his trade kicker

2. Didn't he play under pop at the Olympic? Maybe I'm wrong but Pop might have experienced the 'good Lavine'

3. I don't love it, but getting protection off 25 went maybe another 1st or swap ...

[Mr. Body]

https://x.com/ShamsCharania/status/1807553461724262573

Desperation is a stinky cologne.

[Leetonidas]

https://x.com/ShamsCharania/status/1807553461724262573

Scumbag franchise. They gonna go after Bridges too? :lol

[Rubberducky]

With the trade kicker going into effect, Zach would be making 49.4 52.8 and 56.3

They’d have to give multiple picks and take Zach Collins before I’d even think about it.

[DPG21920]

The Spurs don't have enough cap space to give Harris for it to actually be a bad deal.

Agree. And he fits in the SL and he will be trade able based on the money SA has when/if they want to move on. You can sign good players with cap space and trade them. It’s fine to do that.

[Mr. Body]

1. Lavine could waive his trade kicker

2. Didn't he play under pop at the Olympic? Maybe I'm wrong but Pop might have experienced the 'good Lavine'

3. I don't love it, but getting protection off 25 went maybe another 1st or swap ...

For $150 million. It's times like these I realize why people are broke and busted.

[baseline bum]

The Spurs don't have enough cap space to give Harris for it to actually be a bad deal.

They could salary dump Keldon and get into stupid money territory for him

[lefty20]

Did NBA TV just leave Vassell off the Spurs depth chart?

[DPG21920]

nah not even then. We're talking 3 years of 43, 45 and 48 million. It would destroy our entire free agency process while having Wemby on the rookie deal.



nobody is taking his contract at the deadline. The earliest you could trade him is 2026, probably 2027 deadline rather, for teams who want an expiring to free up cap space. Meanwhile we wouldn't be able to sign anybody.

Keldon + Collins for Lavine if CHI lowers protections from 10, 8, 8 to 2, 2, 2. Spurs still retain tons of cap space in that scenario.

[sfernald]

You're not getting rid of him next summer.

So... we got an unprotected first and an unprotected swap for a pick in an unimpressive draft.

And now people want to buy a pick for $150 million. Amazing.

He would be the Spurs second best player immediately. And you could get rid of any trash you want like graham’s contract and Zollins to lessen the cap hit.

[objective]

Also, weren't the Spurs rumored to be going after Lavine before his last signing? I think he was wanted to pair with Dejounte, then after Lavine re-upped I think is when Dejounte was moved. (could be been a year in between)

[DPG21920]

I don’t understand Westbrook opting in if he wants to play elsewhere. So for 2M dollars you risk being traded somewhere you dont want vs choosing your destination?

[objective]

For $150 million. It's times like these I realize why people are broke and busted.

B.Wrong LOVES getting more picks, he just hates picking.

Give B.Wrong an unprotected 25 Chicago pick he can trade for 2032 pick, and he might burn that $150 million to do it

:lol:

[Chinook]

People don't appreciate how different the front office meta could be under this new CBA. Second-apron teams cannot aggregate or take back more money than they send out. So huge, guaranteeable contracts are going to be more useful than they were under the previous meta. Not only is the cap about to hit the upramp, but the ability to match star salary with one player is a big deal. Don't count out certain teams seeing the opportunity of having Lavine's deal as they move toward the aprons.

[sfernald]

B.Wrong LOVES getting more picks, he just hates picking.

Give B.Wrong an unprotected 25 Chicago pick he can trade for 2032 pick, and he might burn that $150 million to do it

:lol:

Come on, it would have to include a 2033 protected pick swap as well!

[CGD]

nobody is giving you an asset to take on Zach fuckin Collins. Offloading him would cost us multiple 2nd rounders at least. The Bucks ain't that stupid to trade for him.

Ah yes, the casual hate for Zach (and any Spur flavor of the month for that matter) blinding commonssense. It’s not about Zach so much as the Bucks having 1) to cut money, and 2) little ways to inject youth into their roster. That has value to these capped out teams, which should be ruthlessly exploited, as in here by the spurs 1) by moving off a bad deal, and 2) picking up a small asset.

[DR_Admiral]

Ohh KCP to the Magic.

[Spurs Brazil]

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1807556473595085305

[Dejounte]

There goes KCP to Orlando

[playblair]

do free agents not take visits anymore.......... jason terry visited the spurs facility.........

[sfernald]

There goes KCP to Orlando

good pickup for Orlando.

[timtonymanu]

Nuggets have more of a depth issue now.

[poopbox]

Spurs waiting for the big dominos to drop. I would like to think SA is a better destination than Detroit, Orlando, Utah. I think OKC is the one that might ruin their plans.

Well it most certainly is not, because year in and year out they do way less trades, free agent signing, and win fewer games, than all of those teams other than Detriot, and at least Detriot has some actual nba talent on their roster, unlike the Spurs.

Bickerstaff will get COY consideration when he has the Pistons around .500 this year.

[sfernald]

Well it most certainly is not, because year in and year out they do way less trades, free agent signing, and win fewer games, than all of those teams other than Detriot, and at least Detriot has some actual nba talent on their roster, unlike the Spurs.

Bickerstaff will get COY consideration when he has the Pistons around .500 this year.

Bickerstaff next in line after Monty to win 100mil lottery just by sitting on his ass at home. Detroit beyond a joke.

[lefty20]

Nuggets really trynna replace KCP with Westbrick.

Can't wait for him to waive off a Jokic mismatch in the post, with a Murray mismatch on the perimeter on the same possession and calling his own number instead.

[poopbox]

Surprised Toppin got that much, Pacers getting close to a tax team

They were in the conference finals. The overwhelming majority of teams who are good enough to make a conference finals operate in or around the tax.

Lakers and Warriors are really the only teams who salary situations don't match their production. The Bulls as well but they seem to be correcting that mistake.

All it took for the Bulls to perhaps get their shit together and pick a rebuilding direction was to owe the Spurs a pick. :rollin

[scott]

I’m completely resigned to the fact that we’re soft tanking, so my POV is now with maximizing that effort in mind. So with that… I don’t want any of these FA scrubs. Batum on a minor 1+1 would be fine.

[TD 21]

If the Nuggets can bring back (Gary) Harris, they should be fine.

But they need better backup C and PG options than the corpse of Jordan and washed Westbrook.

[scott]

Fuck it, I’d take Lavine if they’re going to drop protections and give us another first (preferably 2029). It’s not like we’re ever going to need the cap space for anything else.

[exstatic]

why? we never do anything. One thing I can guarantee is that whoever we sign, we'll hvae to overpay cause otherwise that player has no desire to play here.

Thaaaaat’s no longer true.

[Mr. Body]

Pacers seem kind of expensive for a team that isn't quite there. They have wiggle room with their own picks and such, but Siakam is already 30. Not in horrible shape or boxing themselves in, but they'll need some creativity.

[gambit1990]

cp3 should go win a ring with the nuggets.

[Dejounte]

Batum, Fournier, CP3. Take those three tbh

[scott]

Pacers seem kind of expensive for a team that isn't quite there. They have wiggle room with their own picks and such, but Siakam is already 30. Not in horrible shape or boxing themselves in, but they'll need some creativity.

Will have to see what Mathurin returning and (they hope) Walker emerging does for them.

[DPG21920]

I’m completely resigned to the fact that we’re soft tanking, so my POV is now with maximizing that effort in mind. So with that… I don’t want any of these FA scrubs. Batum on a minor 1+1 would be fine.

If that’s the case, trade for Lavine and get the extra draft capital. Take on bad deal for picks if you are soft tanking.

[MannyIsGod]

Seems like a lot of money for KCP.

[scott]

I’d still take Gordon Hayward for wing depth/mentor role.

[MannyIsGod]

I don’t understand Westbrook opting in if he wants to play elsewhere. So for 2M dollars you risk being traded somewhere you dont want vs choosing your destination?

Don't believe him playing elsewhere is a him decision.

[RC_Drunkford]

Ah yes, the casual hate for Zach (and any Spur flavor of the month for that matter) blinding commonssense. It’s not about Zach so much as the Bucks having 1) to cut money, and 2) little ways to inject youth into their roster. That has value to these capped out teams, which should be ruthlessly exploited, as in here by the spurs 1) by moving off a bad deal, and 2) picking up a small asset.

you do realize that Brook Lopez is better than Zach Collins right? Collins is terrible and can’t protect the rim. His deal is also a year longer

[sfernald]

I’d still take Gordon Hayward for wing depth/mentor role.

Ewwwww, he was so bad for Okc.

[MannyIsGod]

Lavine might be a redemption story as well. That being said, I'd be shocked if the Spurs traded for him.

[scott]

Ewwwww, he was so bad for Okc.

The idea is largely based on the assumption that we aren’t trying to be good

[mystargtr34]

KCP to Orlando is a surprise to me (I thought Philly or Denver) but it’s a great signing for Magic exactly what they need shooting at the 2.

Good for Spurs too as it keep the Magic firmly in that top 8 group and separates them from the Hawks even more.

Can’t see the Hawks being close to anyone in the top 8 in the East from this season.

[DPG21920]

Don't believe him playing elsewhere is a him decision.

Sure but he had to know that right? I can’t believe he would have no idea that he was not wanted and is 4M really not worth giving up in hopes you land a bigger longer deal somewhere either way?

[Mr. Body]

I’d still take Gordon Hayward for wing depth/mentor role.

Whispers are that he's roundly disliked, a religious freak Candace Owens-fan type.

[DPG21920]

Seems like a lot of money for KCP.

It seems pretty fair - hes damn good on defense and hits 3’s and proven he can play on winning teams. Will be interesting how Caleb Martin fares in comparison…Monk got about the same as KCP (an extra year but annually the same)

[poopbox]

https://x.com/ShamsCharania/status/1807553461724262573

Got all his money from when he was released by OKC, goes to greece for a few months, ends up in LA for all his troubles :rollin

I need to see that Primo and Porter Jr backcourt during the season :rollin

[RC_Drunkford]

Nuggets really trynna replace KCP with Westbrick.

Can't wait for him to waive off a Jokic mismatch in the post, with a Murray mismatch on the perimeter on the same possession and calling his own number instead.

He gon throw a lob to DeAndre Jordan who‘s smoking that good Za

[scott]

Whispers are that he's roundly disliked, a religious freak Candace Owens-fan type.

Good intel. I did not know.

Re: Lavine. If we were a serious team and you wanted this type of player… why not just sign Lonnie Walker for $5MM instead of paying Lavine $150MM?

[mystargtr34]

KCP to Orlando is a surprise to me (I thought Philly or Denver) but it’s a great signing for Magic exactly what they need shooting at the 2.

Good for Spurs too as it keep the Magic firmly in that top 8 group and separates them from the Hawks even more.

Can’t see the Hawks being close to anyone in the top 8 in the East from this season.

I’m hoping Charlotte can bring back Bridges, and the Raptors can get a solid piece in a trade (Cam Johnson maybe) then they too will have a solid group they can bear out the Hawks and push them down further into the bottom 5 in the East.

[objective]

Ah yes, the casual hate for Zach (and any Spur flavor of the month for that matter) blinding commonssense. It’s not about Zach so much as the Bucks having 1) to cut money, and 2) little ways to inject youth into their roster. That has value to these capped out teams, which should be ruthlessly exploited, as in here by the spurs 1) by moving off a bad deal, and 2) picking up a small asset.

Bucks have neither firsts nor seconds to trade through 2030. The most they could offer is a 31 swap in the first or a 31 second

I find it hard to believe they to that for a much worse player

[Blizzardwizard]

:pop: "Patty Mills come on down!"

[exstatic]

Harden deal is a player option year 2. Fascinating how Harden has essentially turned into a guy on very expensive one-year deals.

Honestly, isn’t that about how long he stays anywhere? He’s like the Larry Brown of players.

[sfernald]

Bucks have neither firsts nor seconds to trade through 2030. The most they could offer is a 31 swap in the first or a 31 second

I find it hard to believe they to that for a much worse player

They should call the Spurs front office then.

[BacktoBasics]

Fuck it, I’d take Lavine if they’re going to drop protections and give us another first (preferably 2029). It’s not like we’re ever going to need the cap space for anything else.

Not a LaVine fan but for that I’d do it. He’d be a fine place holder for two years. If he rehabs his game then he’s tradable in that final year and still at a reasonable age if we resign.

That capital would be well worth it.

[CorrectCrusader]

Chris Paul come on down

[Chinook]

Whispers are that he's roundly disliked, a religious freak Candace Owens-fan type.

Like Aaron Rogers but without the success?

[TD 21]

KCP to Orlando is a surprise to me (I thought Philly or Denver) but it’s a great signing for Magic exactly what they need shooting at the 2.

Good for Spurs too as it keep the Magic firmly in that top 8 group and separates them from the Hawks even more.

Can’t see the Hawks being close to anyone in the top 8 in the East from this season.

I'm not as high on it as consensus. The Magic needed not just shooting, but play making to boost their sub par offense. Now even if they get it, it won't be in a starter/closer.

[scott]

Not a LaVine fan but for that I’d do it. He’d be a fine place holder for two years. If he rehabs his game then he’s tradable in that final year and still at a reasonable age if we resign.

That capital would be well worth it.

I’m not sure he’s actually worth it ($150MM for two first round picks is steeeeeeeeep)… but I don’t think the Spurs get too concerned about proper valuation of assets these days, instead they just fixate on what they want and pull the trigger.

[objective]

As much fun as it is discussing Lavine trades, I don't buy the reports of them attaching a first rounder. Trying to dump for savings with a potential expiring Chris Paul? Sure.

But they're not burning picks if it ends up they're out of the tax and and losing DeRozan. Easier to sucker the paying casuals to just waste time with Lavine and enjoy the lottery picks

[mystargtr34]

I’d also take the Lavine deal to drop the 25 protections to unprotected and a future unprotected first out in 2029 or something. Would also send them back Collins to reduce the net $ hit. Lavine has $135m over 3 years remaining ($155m with the 15% trade kicker I think). Collins has $35m left over next 2 years. Spurs are in theory paying $120m over three years for two unprotected picks.

It’s a lot still :lol

Whether the deal is viable depends on how productive Lavine can be over the next 3 years.

[Mr. Body]

Not a LaVine fan but for that I’d do it. He’d be a fine place holder for two years. If he rehabs his game then he’s tradable in that final year and still at a reasonable age if we resign.

That capital would be well worth it.

SpursTalk: Devin Vassell is wildly overpaid.
SpursTalk: Zach Lavine, a ballhogging chucker who his team is desperate to get rid of is a good placeholder at twice as much.

SpursTalk: Goddamn it we traded a mediocre pick for an unprotected first and a swap. What kind of deal was that??
SpursTalk: We should buy a first round pick for one hundred and fifty million dollars.

[AFBlue]

SpursTalk: Devin Vassell is wildly overpaid.
SpursTalk: Zach Lavine, a ballhogging chucker who his team is desperate to get rid of is a good placeholder at twice as much.

SpursTalk: Goddamn it we traded a mediocre pick for an unprotected first and a swap. What kind of deal was that??
SpursTalk: We should buy a first round pick for one hundred and fifty million dollars.

:lol

[exstatic]

OKC landing Hartenstein would be nasty. They'll be the biggest obstacle for us during the next decade with just how much better their coaching staff/front office is tbh.

Wemby sonned Hartenstein in the most recent game, and fouled him out in the 4th.

[scott]

Tired: Spurs should wisely use their cap space and assets to improve the team

Wired: Spurs should plan for the far future before worrying about the more immediate future

Inspired: Spurs should value future picks above all else and do any and everything that adds more picks to the war chest

[Chinook]

SpursTalk: Devin Vassell is wildly overpaid.
SpursTalk: Zach Lavine, a ballhogging chucker who his team is desperate to get rid of is a good placeholder at twice as much.

SpursTalk: Goddamn it we traded a mediocre pick for an unprotected first and a swap. What kind of deal was that??
SpursTalk: We should buy a first round pick for one hundred and fifty million dollars.

Mr. Body: Spurstalk is such an awful forum
Mr. Body: - Constantly attacking posters for doing normal things like discussing hypothetical trades instead of just disagreeing like a normal person.

[scott]

WOJBOMB

623965745521819649

[DPG21920]

Theres context as well. Spurs by doing the Lavine trade aren’t functionally trading much if any flexibility in cap space. The trade boils down more to are you willing to trade Keldon for what could be pick 4-10 in 25’-27’ drafts?

Because in my scenario the money in the first two years for Lavine vs Keldon/Collins isnt enough of a difference to materially matter in most cases if SA is operating as a cap space team.

[Mr. Body]

Mr. Body: Spurstalk is such an awful forum
Mr. Body: - Constantly attacking posters for doing normal things like discussing hypothetical trades instead of just disagreeing like a normal person.

I don't know why y'all get so mad when I point out how stupid some of your ideas are. Just don't have stupid ideas.

[Chinook]

WOJBOMB

623965745521819649

Watch Rasual Butler literally come back from the grave to shut that shit down.

[exstatic]

https://x.com/ShamsCharania/status/1807553461724262573

Just don’t ever move his locker.

[SequSpur]

I see pride month is over

[Mr. Body]

Theres context as well. Spurs by doing the Lavine trade aren’t functionally trading much if any flexibility in cap space. The trade boils down more to are you willing to trade Keldon for what could be pick 4-10 in 25’-27’ drafts?

Because in my scenario the money in the first two years for Lavine vs Keldon/Collins isnt enough of a difference to materially matter in most cases if SA is operating as a cap space team.

If you're buying Zach Lavine's contract for $150 million freaking dollars for a draft pick, then that's $150 million freaking dollars you can't use for anything else. This... this isn't hard.

Again, I get y'all are fucking desperate for anything to happen - although the team has made it abundantly clear they aren't making huge deals yet - but please, for God's and Satan's fucking sake, try to make any semblance of sense. It would take multiple FRPs to make Lavine make sense and then you're boxing yourself out of improving anything for three years.

[Chinook]

I don't know why y'all get so mad when I point out how stupid some of your ideas are. Just don't have stupid ideas.

Dude, I often feel bad for how much people attack you on this forum. Shit I still feel bad because I know how vicious ST can be when people feel permitted to be their worst. But the fuck man? The point of a forum is to have stupid ideas. We're not the team's board of directors. We're just chodes online shooting the shit.

[exstatic]

He would be the Spurs second best player immediately. And you could get rid of any trash you want like graham’s contract and Zollins to lessen the cap hit.

He’s broken. He’s had knee and ankle surgeries in the last 2-3 years. You’re not getting the Zach you imagine.

[PhantomDashCam]

Whispers are that he's roundly disliked, a religious freak Candace Owens-fan type.

I like Candace and I'm agnostic.
I don't agree with everything she has to say, but objectively, she's a compelling voice who has been right on many taboo topics over the last few years including GF and Armie H.

I'm not interested in getting into political or religious debates, but after what we lived through in 2020 and 2021, surely we've all questioned a few of the prevailing narratives.

[timtonymanu]

WOJBOMB

623965745521819649

Oh god I remember that one Jimmer fan that would post on here and post all his China highlights after the spurs cut him :lol

[objective]

Even going down the Lavine rabbit hole .... Where would he even play?

He's 6-5. They're already pushing things potentially having Vassell at the 3 for some minute where he's undersized. Castle will probably fail at the PG, so they turn to Jones. That makes Castle the non shooting guard? Or at 6-7 maybe he's the non shooting SF. Where would Lavine even fit in? He probably doesn't.

[DPG21920]

If you're buying Zach Lavine's contract for $150 million freaking dollars for a draft pick, then that's $150 million freaking dollars you can't use for anything else. This... this isn't hard.

Again, I get y'all are fucking desperate for anything to happen - although the team has made it abundantly clear they aren't making huge deals yet - but please, for God's and Satan's fucking sake, try to make any semblance of sense. It would take multiple FRPs to make Lavine make sense and then you're boxing yourself out of improving anything for three years.

No. Thats quite literally not how this works and I fully disagree with that line of thinking. Your ignorance of what my trade does and the cap ramifications does not mean it’s a bad idea nor does it actually do what you are saying.

[ace3g]

https://x.com/wojespn/status/1807567900040966361

[timtonymanu]

Watch Rasual Butler literally come back from the grave to shut that shit down.

He deserved to finish that season with the team. They did him dirty. Lol he was still better than the corpse of Kevin Martin or keeping Bonner.

[DPG21920]

1807567794004762818

[MannyIsGod]

WOJBOMB

623965745521819649

I hate you

[timtonymanu]

Lol Nephew
Lol demanding the Clippers trade SGA to get Paul George
Lol Paul George leaving the Clippers and Nephew dry

[scott]

Even going down the Lavine rabbit hole .... Where would he even play?

He's 6-5. They're already pushing things potentially having Vassell at the 3 for some minute where he's undersized. Castle will probably fail at the PG, so they turn to Jones. That makes Castle the non shooting guard? Or at 6-7 maybe he's the non shooting SF. Where would Lavine even fit in? He probably doesn't.

The conceptual sketch of Lavine I think is a compelling 6th man. The problem is that you can just sign Lonnie Walker for cheap to get that exact same conceptual sketch. And Lonnie won’t have his limbs falling off after 10 games.

[Pauleta14]

It's going to be tough to get Batum

https://x.com/esidery/status/1807546021251019051

[exstatic]

I’d still take Gordon Hayward for wing depth/mentor role.

As long as you don’t mind him out for the year in February, rehabbing his __________ injury in Cancun.

[MannyIsGod]

I don't know why y'all get so mad when I point out how stupid some of your ideas are. Just don't have stupid ideas.

But you're not pointing out shit. You're making things up by aggregating everyone in this fucking website instead of addressing people one v one because when you address people directly you almost always come out looking like an asshole, an idiot, or a combination of the two. Who the fuck on this site actually likes you, dude? I mean honestly? Do some self reflection on how you've spent decades posting on a website and if you didn't post from this day on people would actually celebrate that.

Fucks sake, its always the same shit with you.

[Chinook]

He deserved to finish that season with the team. They did him dirty. Lol he was still better than the corpse of Kevin Martin or keeping Bonner.

I don't know if I have ever disliked a Spur as much as I disliked Martin. Shit, I think I even like Metu more. It was just another example of Pop's obsession with finding literally any player to try to start over Danny Green, which basically ended up ruining the team.

Andre Miller was a dope acquisition that year though.

[Dejounte]

HOW QUICKLY THINGS CHANGE IN THE NBA… that has been my saying for a long time.

We’re witnessing right now some top teams get weakened big time.

This is why I scoff at people making predictions on how every team will remain strong for the upcoming year (was that you, my buddy LeBowen (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=54457) ?) when shit like this happens every offseason. They say it as if the Spurs won’t ever climb into a top 8 Western team because of this fallacy.

[scott]

As long as you don’t mind him out for the year in February, rehabbing his __________ injury in Cancun.

I pictured him more as Ingram’s backup, but now that I know he’s a weirdo I take it back. Don’t need anyone trying to introduce Wemby to Alex Jones podcasts.

[exstatic]

I’m hoping Charlotte can bring back Bridges, and the Raptors can get a solid piece in a trade (Cam Johnson maybe) then they too will have a solid group they can bear out the Hawks and push them down further into the bottom 5 in the East.

Neither of those teams wants to compete. Are you on drugs?

[Chinook]

He deserved to finish that season with the team. They did him dirty. Lol he was still better than the corpse of Kevin Martin or keeping Bonner.

For some reason I just started singing that "I Miss My Homies" song while sitting at the computer. My dog was confused.

[CGD]

I’m completely resigned to the fact that we’re soft tanking, so my POV is now with maximizing that effort in mind. So with that… I don’t want any of these FA scrubs. Batum on a minor 1+1 would be fine.

This is so true, and at some level I can’t even blame them. The options are atrocious both in the FA and in the trade markets.

With that in mind, I support the idea of a place holder wing until they can draft their wing of the future next summer. It still makes the trade of #8 frustrating even if I get the logic.

[scott]

HOW QUICKLY THINGS CHANGE IN THE NBA… that has been my saying for a long time.

We’re witnessing right now some top teams get weakened big time.

This is why I scoff at people making predictions on how every team will remain strong for the upcoming year (was that you, my buddy LeBowen (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=54457) ?) when shit like this happens every offseason. They say it as if the Spurs won’t ever climb into a top 8 Western team because of this fallacy.

:pop: That’s not who we are

[ace3g]

https://x.com/ShamsCharania/status/1807570016415424651

[objective]

I’d still take Gordon Hayward for wing depth/mentor role.

He was terrible at the wing depth and mentor role in OKC

Was an abomination on the court, scoreless in the playoffs and frequently turning down shot opportunities, then threw a Molotov on the franchise on his way out crying about touches while his loudmouth wife piled on in social media.

[Dejounte]

Pistons just locked up Cade for 5 more years. Sorry DAF86

[DPG21920]

1807570016415424651

[Blizzardwizard]

:pop: "Does Nazr Mohammed still have it in him?"

[Chinook]

And again, Vassell signed for just over 3/5 of that amount and people still act like it's some huge contract.

[benefactor]

I don't know why y'all get so mad when I point out how stupid some of your ideas are. Just don't have stupid ideas.
Everything you say is stupid, faggot

[scott]

Not that I thought we’d ever actually trade for Cade… but I enjoyed the banter fantasizing about it. Now we’ve been robbed of even that. Damn the basketball gods.

[Dejounte]

:pop: “why the fuck does Mr. Body have his head so far up his ass that he thinks he’s smart and everyone else isn’t? Fucking narcissist.”

[MannyIsGod]

And again, Vassell signed for just over 3/5 of that amount and people still act like it's some huge contract.

TBF I don't think many people think he's wildly overpaid. Most thing its fair to borderline fair. By the end it'll look like a bargain, IMO.

[exstatic]

I see pride month is over

Somebody get the man a booster seat.

[NASpurs]

Not that I thought we’d ever actually trade for Cade… but I enjoyed the banter fantasizing about it. Now we’ve been robbed of even that. Damn the basketball gods.

Fantasies are all we have :lol

[objective]

Lavine in a year or two could be matching salary in a Cunningham trade ... Right?

[DAF86]

Pistons just locked up Cade for 5 more years. Sorry DAF86

I knew it was gonna happen. The Pistons were never going to trade their franchise player. I was just confused by the guys here thinking the guy sucked or that he could be had for little. It's like they didn't even care to check how well the kid was doing, tbh. :lol

[scott]

And again, Vassell signed for just over 3/5 of that amount and people still act like it's some huge contract.


TBF I don't think many people think he's wildly overpaid. Most thing its fair to borderline fair. By the end it'll look like a bargain, IMO.

Vassell’s deal will look like a bargain if he takes the next step that he looks poised to. If he doesn’t, it’s probably a slight overpay but not the end of the world.

[Mr. Body]

And again, Vassell signed for just over 3/5 of that amount and people still act like it's some huge contract.

SpursTalk steady-state is despising their own players and overrating any expensive non-winning player they can possibly find.

The latest was Cade Cunningham, who a cadre here convinced themselves the Pistons were about to trade. Like, the hit rate on these marginal, very expensive players is almost inerrant. John Collins, Tobias Harris, Ben Simmons, Deandre Ayton, Cade Cunningham, now it's Zach Lavine, a wildly expensive player who has been in the league 10 years, been to the playoffs once, and won a single game. I don't know why people do this to themselves.

[baseline bum]

Honestly, isn’t that about how long he stays anywhere? He’s like the Larry Brown of players.

Larry Brown actually won

[DAF86]

And again, Vassell signed for just over 3/5 of that amount and people still act like it's some huge contract.

Vassell is about 3/5 the player Cade is, so I guess it's fair, tbh.

[Dverde]

TBF I don't think many people think he's wildly overpaid. Most thing its fair to borderline fair. By the end it'll look like a bargain, IMO.

I think Vassell’s contract is fine and will look better in a few years. I remember Bill Simmons on one of his podcasts saying Derrick White contract was one of the worst, now he’s French kissing his feet and calling the trade genius.

[ace3g]

https://x.com/ShamsCharania/status/1807571874961928223

[BacktoBasics]

SpursTalk: Devin Vassell is wildly overpaid.
SpursTalk: Zach Lavine, a ballhogging chucker who his team is desperate to get rid of is a good placeholder at twice as much.

SpursTalk: Goddamn it we traded a mediocre pick for an unprotected first and a swap. What kind of deal was that??
SpursTalk: We should buy a first round pick for one hundred and fifty million dollars.
Ok ok you got a laugh out of me. He’s definitely not worth it but as a two year placeholder it’s not as bad as it sounds if you lift protection and gain another 1st.

The idea is that you land at least two big selections next year if not 3 and buy two years of development while giving up further draft assets down the road and path off of 50plus million on an expiring.

Having a handful of good rookies and the ability to wipe 50 million off your cap 2-3 years from now might not be a horrible move compared to throwing money at other less expensive players that don’t move the needle and come with no draft compensation.

[Chinook]

Vassell is about 3/5 the player Cade is, so I guess it's fair, tbh.

You sure about that, Chief? Cade the idea and Cade the product on the floor are very different.

[Dex]

1807544470055117218

I honestly feel bad for Westbrook.

Don't get me wrong...I hate the way he plays basketball, and don't want him ANYWHERE near the Spurs.

But he is a league MVP and cooked us on multiple occasions...and now he is being passed around like a blunt with a run.

[NASpurs]

https://x.com/ShamsCharania/status/1807571874961928223

Batum leaving, Gordon going there, it's obvious where George is going to.

[r0drig0lac]

Free agent star Chris Paul intends to sign with the San Antonio Spurs, league sources tell @NBAonTNT, @BleacherReport

[DAF86]

SpursTalk steady-state is despising their own players and overrating any expensive non-winning player they can possibly find.

The latest was Cade Cunningham, who a cadre here convinced themselves the Pistons were about to trade. Like, the hit rate on these marginal, very expensive players is almost inerrant. John Collins, Tobias Harris, Ben Simmons, Deandre Ayton, Cade Cunningham, now it's Zach Lavine, a wildly expensive player who has been in the league 10 years, been to the playoffs once, and won a single game. I don't know why people do this to themselves.

Dude, you clearly haven't seen enough of Cade if you think he sucks to that extent.

[exstatic]

Larry Brown actually won

Details,details…

[Chinook]

Free agent star Chris Paul intends to sign with the San Antonio Spurs, league sources tell @NBAonTNT, @BleacherReport

Could see that shit coming.

[MannyIsGod]

Oh shit.

[exstatic]

Free agent star Chris Paul intends to sign with the San Antonio Spurs, league sources tell @NBAonTNT, @BleacherReport

Whaaaaat?

[Dverde]

Pop wanted some Nasty…

[Pauleta14]

cp3 to the Spurs

[exstatic]

If it’s more than the MLE,I’m going to vomit. Same for more than 2 years.

[Dverde]

I’m be fine with Chris Paul and Derrick Jones Jr, turn off the off-season lights and someone drive RC home.

[Blizzardwizard]

The long-term CP3 haters on this forum must be conflicted right now.


Signing with the Spurs but also effectively guaranteeing he'll never win a ring :lol

[3&D_TBH]

If it’s at the right price it’s just what the doctor ordered.

[Pauleta14]

I wonder the length and value of the deal ...

[PhantomDashCam]

So what happens to the depth chart as a result? Is Tre on his way out?

[baseline bum]

Wow did not see CP3 coming here at all. Pretty great player for Castle to learn from.

[Davidicus]

my brain is so confused being stoked about CP3 signing

[mystargtr34]

Damn CP3 hey. Not sure how I feel about that one :lol

[MannyIsGod]

This should put to rest the Trae Young rumors.

[baseline bum]

What do you do with Tre now though?

[DAF86]

You sure about that, Chief? Cade the idea and Cade the product on the floor are very different.

Yes, chief. Cade's post all-star game stats are, well, all-star level. 25, 8, 5 on 45, 40, 90 splits. Expect that to be the floor of Cade's numbers next season (aside from the shooting that should still be very good). Do you expect Vassell to ever average those numbers, let alone as soon as next season? I like Devin, but he's no Cade, not even close, tbh.

Cade's shot has came around and he plays the right way. Not his fault his teammates suck ass, tbh.

[kjhip1]

1 yr/11M

[Pauleta14]

1 year 11M for Paul

[Pauleta14]

https://x.com/ChrisBHaynes/status/1807574670297674168

[ace3g]

https://x.com/wojespn/status/1807575377457336724

[Pauleta14]

Pobably the highest amount Paul could get + texas taxes

Only 1y is a good deal for both parts tbh

[MannyIsGod]

Holy shit that's excellent. Not even a 2nd year option?

[DAF86]

I knew something fishy was going on. A year too late for this move. I would have loved it to ease Wemby into his rookie season. Now this is just going to take are wins total from 26 to 35 and cost us a chance at Traore, tbh. :(

[DPG21920]

Ugh…I mean I guess lol

Thrilled with the contract though. That part is fantastic.

Better than nothing I guess, but not exactly what I was hoping for. He’s really bad on defense, cant be relied upon for much else other than accurate lobs/passes and obviously didnt show he had much left in the tank on GS.

I dont *hate* it but I also just kind of feel meh about it and its not enough of a justification to punt the 8th pick so hoping theres some more to this off season

But he definitely pushes one or both of Branham/Blake down the rotation that’s for sure with now Castle/CP on the roster.

[Pauleta14]

What do you do with Tre now though?

Bench insurance and rotation. Paul won't play 30' evey games and Castle might be used at diff positions

Decent rotation

[Dverde]

Spurs can also trade him to a contender with a contract like that…get some of those 2030 second rounders.