Can the GOAT coach win 1 Championship in 17 years?

[MultiTroll]

:pop:

And he'll hit 20 imo. I'll do cartwheels if Wemby is able to overcome him ala Timmy Dunker and win at least one with him.

[MultiTroll]

Did any of the others considered in the running for GOAT in any sport have a 1-17 stretch?

Knute Rockney
Vince Lombardi
Bill Bellicheat
Bill Walsh

Red A
Phil Jackson
Philly Beaner
Pat Riles

Nick Saban
Bud Wilkinson

Johny Wooden

[DeadlyDynasty]

He’s been blessed to have 2 generational players fall in his lap. Reminds me of the Packers going from Favre to Rodgers to Love. Although with the Pack it was much more impressive since none of those guys were slam dunks like a Luck, Peyton, Lawrence or Caleb.

A monkey could’ve drafted Duncan or Wemby #1

[Tyronn Lue]

He’s been blessed to have 2 generational players fall in his lap. Reminds me of the Packers going from Favre to Rodgers to Love. Although with the Pack it was much more impressive since none of those guys were slam dunks like a Luck, Peyton, Lawrence or Caleb.

A monkey could’ve drafted Duncan or Wemby #1
Only a tanking monkey

[Tyronn Lue]

Did any of the others considered in the running for GOAT in any sport have a 1-17 stretch?

Knute Rockney
Vince Lombardi
Bill Bellicheat
Bill Walsh

Red A
Phil Jackson
Philly Beaner
Pat Riles

Nick Saban
Bud Wilkinson

Johny Wooden
Not sure what you're asking. Pat Riley finished his career with 1 ring in 17 tries. Pop rang in 2014. That's 10 years. Unless you think Pop is going to coach until 2034, I don't know where your headed with this (shocking I know).

I get you hate the coach but your reasoning is usually devoid of facts. Maybe this is why no one engages you seriously. He's considered best by his peers and players. I don't think fan opinions outweigh that.

[Thread]

Not sure what you're asking. Pat Riley finished his career with 1 ring in 17 tries. Pop rang in 2014. That's 10 years. Unless you think Pop is going to coach until 2034, I don't know where your headed with this (shocking I know).

I get you hate the coach but your reasoning is usually devoid of facts. Maybe this is why no one engages you seriously. He's considered best by his peers and players. I don't think fan opinions outweigh that.

I'm starting to shy away from him as well, Lue, buddy.

[MultiTroll]

Not sure what you're asking. Pat Riley finished his career with 1 ring in 17 tries. Pop rang in 2014. That's 10 years. Unless you think Pop is going to coach until 2034, I don't know where your headed with this (shocking I know).

I get you hate the coach but your reasoning is usually devoid of facts. Maybe this is why no one engages you seriously. He's considered best by his peers and players. I don't think fan opinions outweigh that.
Pop 2008 - 2024 and beyond.

When you have the most stacked or one of the most stacked rosters in the NBA vs what he did is.....
Not GOAT by a long shot.

Riley did not have near as much to work with after he left the Flamers.

[MultiTroll]

He's considered best by his peers and players.
I don't believe that.
At all.

[GAustex]

I do not believe that either

[Brazil]

wtf

[chubbs]

retarded

[MultiTroll]

Maybe this is why no one engages you seriously. He's considered best by his peers and players. I don't think fan opinions outweigh that.
DD has consistent very solid takes. Just because he does not see Lamar Jackson clearly and does see Pop 100 clearly is no reason to refer to him as "no one".
Ditto GAustex. Many others.
I'm all about quality over quantity anyway.

You could benefit greatly from scotts thread on "I was a Sniffer". Many others have.


He’s been blessed to have 2 generational players fall in his lap. Reminds me of the Packers going from Favre to Rodgers to Love. Although with the Pack it was much more impressive since none of those guys were slam dunks like a Luck, Peyton, Lawrence or Caleb.

A monkey could’ve drafted Duncan or Wemby #1


I do not believe that either

[GAustex]

Why can’t poop get good free agents
If he is all that
LMA fools gold
Finley
Berry
I am sure I am forgetting a stellar free agent signing
Oh forgot
Zollins

[timtonymanu]

Pop was done since 2014 tbh. Spurs could have gotten by the clippers the next year if he didn't act all cute with his Hack-A-Jordan move while the Spurs were actually up by double digits.

Then his fascination playing a watered down, finished Tony Parker. Refusing to blow up the team after Kiwi left (although sniffers will tell you :cry but it got us wemby).

He's so lucky the Spurs got Wemby, as it put him back in the good graces of casual Spurs fans. But even so, he made Wemby's rookie season more miserable than it needed to be with his mad experimental lineups. Oh and lol old fart telling fans to stop booing an opposing player because "that's not what we are."

As usual, if the Spurs win its because they have the best player (Duncan, Wemby) and not Pop and his overrated, antiquated style of coaching. but the casuals will still say his coaching made those players who they are, and not the other way around. I'm still hoping he steps down soon, but his ego and that soft front office won't let him.

[Tyronn Lue]

Pop 2008 - 2024 and beyond.

When you have the most stacked or one of the most stacked rosters in the NBA vs what he did is.....
Not GOAT by a long shot.

Riley did not have near as much to work with after he left the Flamers.
There's no logic in what you're saying. Manu was drafted 57th, Tony 28th. That they both developed into HOFers under Pop is a credit to Pop, not a detractor. I mean, DaVinci had the Mona Lisa to work with, one of the greatest paintings ever. He's not really that good obviously.

[Tyronn Lue]

Pop was done since 2014 tbh. Spurs could have gotten by the clippers the next year if he didn't act all cute with his Hack-A-Jordan move while the Spurs were actually up by double digits.

Then his fascination playing a watered down, finished Tony Parker. Refusing to blow up the team after Kiwi left (although sniffers will tell you :cry but it got us wemby).

He's so lucky the Spurs got Wemby, as it put him back in the good graces of casual Spurs fans. But even so, he made Wemby's rookie season more miserable than it needed to be with his mad experimental lineups. Oh and lol old fart telling fans to stop booing an opposing player because "that's not what we are."

As usual, if the Spurs win its because they have the best player (Duncan, Wemby) and not Pop and his overrated, antiquated style of coaching. but the casuals will still say his coaching made those players who they are, and not the other way around. I'm still hoping he steps down soon, but his ego and that soft front office won't let him.
The players will say Pop made them who they are. Echoing that here isn't newsworthy.


I don't believe that. At all.
Then who are you talking to in the OP?

[MultiTroll]

There's no logic in what you're saying. Manu was drafted 57th, Tony 28th. That they both developed into HOFers under Pop is a credit to Pop, not a detractor. I mean, DaVinci had the Mona Lisa to work with, one of the greatest paintings ever. He's not really that good obviously.
:lol Popped tried to "reign in and stifle" GNobs play.
It took Manu almost two years to develop Pop to stop being a meddling. talent blocking control freak.

"As time went along I learned to not speak as something was contested or a shot was contested or a defensive play he wanted to make to get a steal or whatever, because he does things that win games. It taught me to watch a little bit more and not be so micro-management-like."

[Thread]

:lol Popped tried to "reign in and stifle" GNobs play.
It took Manu almost two years to develop Pop to stop being a meddling. talent blocking control freak.

"As time went along I learned to not speak as something was contested or a shot was contested or a defensive play he wanted to make to get a steal or whatever, because he does things that win games. It taught me to watch a little bit more and not be so micro-management-like."

Christ-a-mighty, Mult, your first cogent post in 2 months of Sunday's. Congratulations, son.

[Tyronn Lue]

:lol Popped tried to "reign in and stifle" GNobs play.
It took Manu almost two years to develop Pop to stop being a meddling. talent blocking control freak.

"As time went along I learned to not speak as something was contested or a shot was contested or a defensive play he wanted to make to get a steal or whatever, because he does things that win games. It taught me to watch a little bit more and not be so micro-management-like."

This is how great coaches think. Unlike Doc who throws his players under the bus instead of taking any accountability.


You: Pop won because he had all time greats
You also: Pat is an all time great coach but didn't win because he didn't have all time greats during that time

[Thread]

This is how great coaches think. Unlike Doc who throws his players under the bus instead of taking any accountability.


You: Pop won because he had all time greats
You also: Pat is an all time great coach but didn't win because he didn't have all time greats during that time

Lue & Mult center ring throwing hay makers at each other like in rasslin',,,till one of 'em becomes energized, actually ENERGIZED by said hay makers...Let's watch!

[Tyronn Lue]

I have nothing else to say. If someone wants to hate a coach who has the most wins in NBA history and 5 championships in 6 tries, that's their right.

[MultiTroll]

I have nothing else to say. If someone wants to hate a coach who has the most wins in NBA history and 5 championships in 6 tries, that's their right.
Johny Wooden said it best and you could learn from it.
When asked what was his best coaching job what did he say?
The 88 win streak teams? One of the teams with Lew Alcindor or Billy Walton?

Nope. He said it was a 60's team that had below .500 expectations but worked their butts off and applied his team strategies. Went somethin like 16-10.

Point?
Popped had the best player of his era and best roster 10 times, minimum. He got 5 Chips out of that.
Prawk prawk so he won 5 when Mr. Schnider the school electric teacher and part time coach would have also won 5.

The other 5? Lets hear you Poppers spin.

[Tyronn Lue]

Johny Wooden said it best and you could learn from it.
When asked what was his best coaching job what did he say?
The 88 win streak teams? One of the teams with Lew Alcindor or Billy Walton?

Nope. He said it was a 60's team that had below .500 expectations but worked their butts off and applied his team strategies. Went somethin like 16-10.

Point?
Popped had the best player of his era and best roster 10 times, minimum. He got 5 Chips out of that.
Prawk prawk so he won 5 when Mr. Schnider the school electric teacher and part time coach would have also won 5.
The other 5? Lets hear you Poppers spin.
:lmao "best roster 10 times"

You're not to be taken seriously

[MultiTroll]

:lmao "best roster 10 times"

You're not to be taken seriously
You underestimate Timmy Dunkar, GNob, Parker all in their primes. David Robinson older but still with plenty of juice and influence.
Bob Horry, Bruce Bowen, many more.

Seriously good players.

[Tyronn Lue]

You underestimate Timmy Dunkar, GNob, Parker all in their primes. David Robinson older but still with plenty of juice and influence.
Bob Horry, Bruce Bowen, many more.

Seriously good players.
:lol

[MultiTroll]

:lol
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[Raven]

There's no logic in what you're saying. Manu was drafted 57th, Tony 28th. That they both developed into HOFers under Pop is a credit to Pop, not a detractor. I mean, DaVinci had the Mona Lisa to work with, one of the greatest paintings ever. He's not really that good obviously.

i'll give you tony, but manu was already a god before he even got to the nba

[MultiTroll]

i'll give you tony, but manu was already a god before he even got to the nba
GNob was going to kick ass with virtually any team he went to.
He is that versatile and good.

Fortunately the Spurs got him and kept him.

[Tyronn Lue]

i'll give you tony, but manu was already a god before he even got to the nba
So good no one picked him up until 57th.

[Tyronn Lue]

GNob was going to kick ass with virtually any team he went to.
He is that versatile and good.

Fortunately the Spurs got him and kept him.
Revisionist history. Might as well say Joker was obviously a 3 time MVP when he was drafted.

[GAustex]

So good no one picked him up until 57th.
I had heard but was not sure.
Once he got in I quickly realized he was a joker, a wild card that changed a good team to a championship caliber team

[Tyronn Lue]

I had heard but was not sure.
Once he got in I quickly realized he was a joker, a wild card that changed a good team to a championship caliber team
Sure but "I love the team so they had the best roster for 10 years" is cringe as fuck.

[GAustex]

Sure but "I love the team so they had the best roster for 10 years" is cringe as fuck.
There is no doubt that for the Duncan years they underachieved
Should won more
Dumbass Pop had a lot to do with it

[Thread]

There is no doubt that for the Duncan years they underachieved
Should won more
Dumbass Pop had a lot to do with it

GA with the truth, bitter edition.

GA

[Raven]

So good no one picked him up until 57th.

was a different time, nba thought americans were better.

[Tyronn Lue]

was a different time, nba thought americans were better.
Decisions aren't made in retrospect.

[DAF86]

It is funny how things work out. Imagine Manu coming up today. He would be as hyped as any other prospect in NBA's history. He's literally the perfect guard for today's NBA. And, yeah, he would be a PG in today's NBA.

[ambchang]

Johny Wooden said it best and you could learn from it.
When asked what was his best coaching job what did he say?
The 88 win streak teams? One of the teams with Lew Alcindor or Billy Walton?

Nope. He said it was a 60's team that had below .500 expectations but worked their butts off and applied his team strategies. Went somethin like 16-10.

Point?
Popped had the best player of his era and best roster 10 times, minimum. He got 5 Chips out of that.
Prawk prawk so he won 5 when Mr. Schnider the school electric teacher and part time coach would have also won 5.

The other 5? Lets hear you Poppers spin.

So why did you have this poll? It doesn’t make any sense.

[ambchang]

99 - Lakers. Jazz, Blazers, Pacers were at least as good, on paper. https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_1999_preseason_odds.html Spurs were picked 3rd in odds.
04 - Lakers clearly had the better roster on paper. Kings, Mavs, Pistons. https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2004_preseason_odds.html Spurs 2nd.
05 - Kings, Wolves, Pistons. https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2005_preseason_odds.html Spurs had the best odds, and won
06 - Mavs, Suns, Heat, Pistons. https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2006_preseason_odds.html Spurs had the best odds, lost.
07 - Mavs, Suns, Heat, Pistons. https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2007_preseason_odds.html, Spurs had 2nd best odds, won
12- This is just blatant bullshit. Heat, lakers, Thunder, Mavs. https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2012_preseason_odds.html Spurs had the 12th best odds. 12th! Yet they made it all the way to the WCF. There were 6 WC teams picked in front of them.
13 - Heat, Lakers, Thunder. https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2013_preseason_odds.html. Spurs had the 5th best odds.
14 - Heat, OKC. https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2014_preseason_odds.html Spurs tied for 4th best odds, won it all.
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And you stated 10, you listed 9.

Overall, the Spurs had the best odds to win it all in 2005 (won), 2006 (lost), 2008 (tied with Mavs, lost) since 1997, and they won 5 titles.

Their win lost record was over expectations every year except 1997 (due to massive injuries which led to Duncan), 00 (1.5 games), 04(0.5 games), 10 (4.5 games), 15 (2 games), 18 (8 games, Kawhi pulled a Kawhi), 20 (14.5 games), 23 (0.5 games, massive tanking year), and 24 (6.5 games). There were multiple seasons where the spurs were 10 games over preseason O/U wins. In 27 years, the regular season record was below betting lines 9 times. I would say that is pretty damn good.

[MultiTroll]

And you stated 10, you listed 9.
Pops quit* year, being 2015 when he was out strategized by Doc Rivers should not be included.
While the Spurs still had the great Duncan an even below average coach would have advanced them past Coc Rivers, however would have probably been ousted by his butt buddy Kerr and the injury luck Warriors in the next round.

*The final game 7 vs Clippers, when the corrupt ref blew the whistle right as the Spurs final chance play was being inbounded. Instead of drawing up a new play, Pop pouted and Quit, wasting time falsely accusing the time clock person then calling the same exact play. Of course the Clippers read it, hell they knew it was coming and Game Over.

Also the year Juuan Coward took out the Spurs Derek Anderson with a super cheapshot should not be held against Popped.


Overall, the Spurs had the best odds to win it all in 2005 (won), 2006 (lost), 2008 (tied with Mavs, lost) since 1997, and they won 5 titles
Says pathetically corrupt Vegas or you?
You're agreeing that the Spurs only had the best roster in 3 farking years?!

[ambchang]

Pops quit* year, being 2015 when he was out strategized by Doc Rivers should not be included.
While the Spurs still had the great Duncan an even below average coach would have advanced them past Coc Rivers, however would have probably been ousted by his butt buddy Kerr and the injury luck Warriors in the next round.

*The final game 7 vs Clippers, when the corrupt ref blew the whistle right as the Spurs final chance play was being inbounded. Instead of drawing up a new play, Pop pouted and Quit, wasting time falsely accusing the time clock person then calling the same exact play. Of course the Clippers read it, hell they knew it was coming and Game Over.

Also the year Juuan Coward took out the Spurs Derek Anderson with a super cheapshot should not be held against Popped.


Says pathetically corrupt Vegas or you?
You're agreeing that the Spurs only had the best roster in 3 farking years?!

So now you are throwing conspiracy theories on the wall. Vegas don't care about sticking it to Pop, they care about money. Let's set the odds, hey, the entire market is betting on the Spurs to win it all, but we would rather lose billions of dollars so that we can allow some internet nerds to win an argument 20 years down the line. I mean, are you that dense?

As for the Clippers comment, they were supposed to advance time after time, they did that one time, at the expense of the Spurs, but you keep putting up conspiracy theories out there.

[MultiTroll]

So now you are throwing conspiracy theories on the wall. Vegas don't care about sticking it to Pop, they care about money. Let's set the odds, hey, the entire market is betting on the Spurs to win it all, but we would rather lose billions of dollars so that we can allow some internet nerds to win an argument 20 years down the line. I mean, are you that dense?

As for the Clippers comment, they were supposed to advance time after time, they did that one time, at the expense of the Spurs, but you keep putting up conspiracy theories out there.
SMH your not knowing how Vegas works. $$$$$

Nice backpedeal / subject change on Pop vs Doc Rivers in the 2015 Clippers series.

[ambchang]

SMH your not knowing how Vegas works. $$$$$

Nice backpedeal / subject change on Pop vs Doc Rivers in the 2015 Clippers series.

Show me how Vegas works, its all about which team is hot on the tables, and they adjust the odds to always make money, it's not that hard. The more a team is the favourite, the worse the odds.

And nice showing you don't even know what backpedal / subject change means, neither were applicable. Rivers won one series. 27 years and you found one series that Pop didn't do well in. Yes, that will show your point.

[MultiTroll]

Rivers won one series.
The topic was Championship rosters with a flame out before the Finals.
Rivers v Popped only ever happened the 1 year that i recall.
True to form, Pop got worked.
If you're aware of other Pop v Doc playoff series, please post.

BTW i don't know that the Spurs would have went on to Chip, but vs the super lucky injury benefitted Warriors they surely had a chance.

[MultiTroll]

So good no one picked him up until 57th.
GNob
18 years old when signed first pro contract.

Kinder Bologna (BTW is that a lunchmeat brand name?), which he helped win the 2001 Italian League Championship,
the 2001 and 2002 Italian Cups, and the 2001 EuroLeague, where he was named the 2001 EuroLeague's Finals MVP.
He was also named the Italian League MVP in 2000–01 and 2001–02, and made the Italian League's All-Star Game three times during this period.


While playing with the Argentina national team at the 2002 FIBA World Championship in Indianapolis, Ginóbili made the All-Tournament Team, alongside future NBA star Yao Ming and established NBA stars Dirk Nowitzki and Peja Stojaković,[32] and helped lead Argentina to a second-place finish.[5]

So GNob had 6 freaking YEARS of pro hoop before joining the Spurs. As quoted, Pops tried to change his game for 2 more additional years before realizing how Manu played.

Any nonsense that Pop "developed" young GNob is sub zero BBIQ info.

[ambchang]

The topic was Championship rosters with a flame out before the Finals.
Rivers v Popped only ever happened the 1 year that i recall.
True to form, Pop got worked.
If you're aware of other Pop v Doc playoff series, please post.

BTW i don't know that the Spurs would have went on to Chip, but vs the super lucky injury benefitted Warriors they surely had a chance.

Yeah, the spurs won 5 titles when they were favourites for 3, and went over Vegas estimates in 2/3 of the pop era. How is that not successful? If you want to point to one single series “because doc”. The clippers had the fourth best odds to title that year and finished the year with a better record than the spurs. But you keep going “because doc”, a guy who won a title and was selected as one of the best coaches ever.

[ambchang]

Also, And no, the topic isn’t about championship rosters flaming out, it’s about whether pop can be considered a GOAT with 17 of his 27 years in the league as a head coach. Larry brown won one title in like 30 years, he’s definitely on the list of goat coaches. You can’t even follow your own thread with the giant title on top.

[MultiTroll]

Vegas estimates
Facepalm.


“because doc”, a guy who won a title and was selected as one of the best coaches ever.
Doc is not one of the best coaches ever. To me.
So far you are giving me Vegas and media selections.


Also, And no, the topic isn’t about championship rosters flaming out, it’s about whether pop can be considered a GOAT with 17 of his 27 years in the league as a head coach. Larry brown won one title in like 30 years, he’s definitely on the list of goat coaches. You can’t even follow your own thread with the giant title on top.
Son if Popped had Browns rosters he would have ZERO titles.

[ambchang]

Facepalm.


Doc is not one of the best coaches ever. To me.
So far you are giving me Vegas and media selections.


Son if Popped had Browns rosters he would have ZERO titles.

You have given nothing. You don’t even have any argument. Vegas odds are pretty much the only way to gauge a teams expectations of the year. And the other part of media picks. Neither of which is acceptable to you. So what is? Your opinion?

[Tyronn Lue]

Pretty sure Fabbs just wants to make a seemingly controversial statement then not follow up. He's done that plenty and the theme is basically half drunk sports bar bluster with no substance.

[MultiTroll]

Pretty sure Fabbs just wants to make a seemingly controversial statement then not follow up. He's done that plenty and the theme is basically half drunk sports bar bluster with no substance.
Is there a question there?

Not sure what you are fabricating.

[Tyronn Lue]

Is there a question there?

Not sure what you are fabricating.
Fabbricator: "Pop is a shitty coach! Here's false roster strength claims to support that, cherry picked time frames and convenient exceptions!"
Forum: "neh, ur wrong, here's proof"
Fabbricator: "Pop sucks!... here's a goal post move!"

[MultiTroll]

Fabbricator: "Pop is a shitty coach! Here's false roster strength claims to support that, cherry picked time frames and convenient exceptions!"
Forum: "neh, ur wrong, here's proof"
Fabbricator: "Pop sucks!... here's a goal post move!"
Fabbs: Pop could have done better with the Player of His Generation Timmy Dunker along with GNob, Parker, HOF sub Bob Horry many more. Here are exact years.
Phabricator: No no Pop is the GOAT. No reasons given, just Pop is the GOAT.
Fabbs. Whatever. Don't forget to vote.

It's 3-2 in favor of No he wasn't. :lol

[ambchang]

The poll makes no sense. The question is can pop be considered a goat coach. The choices are he never was and never will be, or he is the goat coach.

There are no he used to be, he could be, he is considered a goat coach, he was never considered as a coach goat, he will not be considered a goat coach in the future in retrospect, etc… the two choices don’t even have much to do with the question.

[MultiTroll]

The poll makes no sense. The question is can pop be considered a goat coach.
No, the question is can a coach who has won 1 Championship in 17 years be considered the GOAT coach.

[Arcadian]

I can't really answer this poll. I don't have a strong opinion on whether Pop is or isn't the greatest coach of all time, but I don't think that is actually an answerable question. Ranking coaches is so arbitrary because you can never be sure how much of their success was uniquely caused by them.

It doesn't matter anyway. He's one of the most successful coaches of all time, and that's a verifiable fact. Let's leave it there.

[MultiTroll]

Ranking coaches is so arbitrary because you can never be sure how much of their success was uniquely caused by them.
Of course it's arbitrary.


He's one of the most successful coaches of all time, and that's a verifiable fact.
GOAT is arbitrary but "successful" is not? :lol
Duncan was great and I like what Pop did with Kwa Leonard in the 2016 playoffs up until Zaza changed the course of NBA history.
Regardless of how successful one finds Coach Pop......
He is no doubt the NBA coach who has participated in the most games All Time. That is a fact and will continue to be so for at least the next 10 years.

I don't see Philly Beaner in Miami nor Coq Rivers ever catching Pop for # of games coached.
Philly might catch Pop for wins (I doubt it) and Coq might catch him for losses (i doubt it).

[Tyronn Lue]

Of course it's arbitrary.


GOAT is arbitrary but "successful" is not? :lol
Duncan was great and I like what Pop did with Kwa Leonard in the 2016 playoffs up until Zaza changed the course of NBA history.
Regardless of how successful one finds Coach Pop......
He is no doubt the NBA coach who has participated in the most games All Time. That is a fact and will continue to be so for at least the next 10 years.

I don't see Philly Beaner in Miami nor Coq Rivers ever catching Pop for # of games coached.
Philly might catch Pop for wins (I doubt it) and Coq might catch him for losses (i doubt it).I cannot even take you seriously. Have you never heard of Lenny Wilkens? Coach Pop has the most career wins, but not the most career games coached.

This is what I mean when I say your opinion is worthless since it's founded on ignorance, just inventing shit and rolling with it. Google is your friend.

[MultiTroll]

I cannot even take you seriously. Have you never heard of Lenny Wilkens? Coach Pop has the most career wins, but not the most career games coached.

This is what I mean when I say your opinion is worthless since it's founded on ignorance, just inventing shit and rolling with it. Google is your friend.
:cry
2209 + 284 playoff games.
=2,493 for Craig Popplevich.

In 2 more seasons when Pop passes Lenny Wilkens for most games I will repost. My visionary skills will have manifest themselves again.
Until then i have provided you with "gotchya" fapping material. Rejoice and enjoy.

[Tyronn Lue]

:cry
2209 + 284 playoff games.
=2,493 for Craig Popplevich.

In 2 more seasons when Pop passes Lenny Wilkens for most games I will repost. My visionary skills will have manifest themselves again.
Until then i have provided you with "gotchya" fapping material. Rejoice and enjoy.
No one counts the post season, might as well count pre season too.

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No one counts the post season, might as well count pre season too.
post season >>>>>>>>>>>>> preseason.

Either way Wilkens has more games. A lot more.
He crossed my mind but i errored 100 in just how many games Wilkens has coached.
1979 he got a Chip with the Seattle Sonics.
1980-81 was one of the saddest breakdowns in NBA when Gus Williams sat out the entire year in a contract dispute. Plus injuries, Paul Silas retirement. Sonics were never the same. Wilkens would never sniff the Finals again.

[Arcadian]

GOAT is arbitrary but "successful" is not? :lol

No because it's literally quantifiable. Number of wins, number of championships, COTY selections, etc.

[MultiTroll]

No because it's literally quantifiable. Number of wins, number of championships, COTY selections, etc.


Ranking coaches is so arbitrary because you can never be sure how much of their success was uniquely caused by them.

[Arcadian]

Yes - the fact that he had success is quantifiable, but the degree to which his success was caused by him is impossible to determine.

The former is correlation; the latter is causation.

[ambchang]

No, the question is can a coach who has won 1 Championship in 17 years be considered the GOAT coach.

So this makes the poll even worse as both possible responses only specified pop.

[Tyronn Lue]

post season >>>>>>>>>>>>> preseason.

Not in terms of RS wins. Once again you are all over the place. Pick a lane and stay in it.

[MultiTroll]

Not in terms of RS wins. Once again you are all over the place. Pick a lane and stay in it.
Why would you want to exclude playoff games?

[Tyronn Lue]

No because it's literally quantifiable. Number of wins, number of championships, COTY selections, etc.
It's quantifiable based on what the stated goals were each season. If you look at the long term effect he has on the NBA in general and coaches specifically, there's no debate to be had. If you're a fan of a team that has won 5 of 6 Finals under the same coach, you might use rings as a measuring stick, but then that's not really a debate either. Only Phil Jackson has more rings since Pop started coaching, and he had Michael, Kobe and Shaq. Phil has one COtY award, same number as Avery Johnson.

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COTY selections


COtY award,
:lol sportswriters.

The winner is selected at the end of the regular season by a panel of sportswriters from the United States and Canada, each of whom casts a vote for first, second and third place selections.

[Tyronn Lue]

Why would you want to exclude playoff games?
Because the NBA does.

[Tyronn Lue]

:lol sportswriters.

The winner is selected at the end of the regular season by a panel of sportswriters from the United States and Canada, each of whom casts a vote for first, second and third place selections.
So people who know sports exponentially better than you.

It's a legit accolade, just like all NBA, MVP, DPoY, etc.

You cannot just cherry pick stats and booger stick them together to win a silly point.

[MultiTroll]

So people who know sports exponentially better than you.

It's a legit accolade, just like all NBA, MVP, DPoY, etc.
:lmao Timmy Duncan never won a DPOY
Kirby Bryant has the most 1st Team All Defense selections ever.

One writer did not vote for Shaq for MVP in 2001.

Do you really swallow the biased swill of main stream media sports writers?

[Thread]

:lmao Timmy Duncan never won a DPOY
Kirby Bryant has the most 1st Team All Defense selections ever.

One writer did not vote for Shaq for MVP in 2001.

Do you really swallow the biased swill of main stream media sports writers?

I took such to heart when said (swill) told me right up front the Lakers had done shit until they beat the Celtics for the NBA Title which would never happen. Fuck me, I went into a tail spin thru '83, then thru '84, then Magic grabbed some jacks and timbers and started down. And we beat the Celtics in '85 in Boston...it was like somebody had died, or worse, lost money on that CBS telecast. Hushed tones, pale faces, more hushed tone, like in church.

Now Truimp didn't do that. tee, hee.
Magic did that.

[MultiTroll]

So people who know sports exponentially better than you.
12 of the most ridiculous NBA award decisions ever (hoopshype.com) (https://hoopshype.com/lists/12-times-nba-awards-were-absolutely-ridiculous/)
:lmao There are 100's more.

[Tyronn Lue]

12 of the most ridiculous NBA award decisions ever (hoopshype.com) (https://hoopshype.com/lists/12-times-nba-awards-were-absolutely-ridiculous/)
:lmao There are 100's more.
You can find 12 of the most ridiculous of anything, doesn't make you smarter.

[Tyronn Lue]

:lmao Timmy Duncan never won a DPOY
Kirby Bryant has the most 1st Team All Defense selections ever.

One writer did not vote for Shaq for MVP in 2001.

Do you really swallow the biased swill of main stream media sports writers?
And you think Pop has coached the most games in the NBA when you made this thread.

[Arcadian]

It's quantifiable based on what the stated goals were each season. If you look at the long term effect he has on the NBA in general and coaches specifically, there's no debate to be had. If you're a fan of a team that has won 5 of 6 Finals under the same coach, you might use rings as a measuring stick, but then that's not really a debate either. Only Phil Jackson has more rings since Pop started coaching, and he had Michael, Kobe and Shaq. Phil has one COtY award, same number as Avery Johnson.

Yeah, I agree. I was arguing that his success is quantifiable.


:lol sportswriters.

I'm not saying the awards were or were not deserved. I'm simply saying he did in fact receive those awards.

You do realize I'm not on either side of this debate, right? That was the whole point of my initial post. All I said was that he accomplished certain things, but that does not necessarily mean he's the greatest coach of all time.

[ambchang]

12 of the most ridiculous NBA award decisions ever (hoopshype.com) (https://hoopshype.com/lists/12-times-nba-awards-were-absolutely-ridiculous/)
:lmao There are 100's more.

So your proof of sportswriters suck is an article saying how sportswriters suck written by a sportswriter?

[MultiTroll]

You do realize I'm not on either side of this debate, right?
Yes.

See below for the absurdity of media awards.

[MultiTroll]

So your proof of sportswriters suck is an article saying how sportswriters suck written by a sportswriter?
Yes. Just because many sportswriters suck does not mean all of them do.
The article had on point examples.

Can you, without changing the subject address this?
Marc Gasol winning Defensive Player of the Year but not making 1st Team All-Defense

[ambchang]

Yes. Just because many sportswriters suck does not mean all of them do.
The article had on point examples.

Can you, without changing the subject address this?
Marc Gasol winning Defensive Player of the Year but not making 1st Team All-Defense

Which ones do and which ones don’t?

[MultiTroll]

Can you, without changing the subject address this?
Marc Gasol winning Defensive Player of the Year but not making 1st Team All-Defense


Which ones do and which ones don’t?
Can you try again?

[Tyronn Lue]

Yes. Just because many sportswriters suck does not mean all of them do.
The article had on point examples.

Can you, without changing the subject address this?
Marc Gasol winning Defensive Player of the Year but not making 1st Team All-Defense
Coaches voted for all NBA teams prior to 2013-2014 season.

[MultiTroll]

Coaches voted for all NBA teams prior to 2013-2014 season.


Can you, without changing the subject address this?
Marc Gasol winning Defensive Player of the Year but not making 1st Team All-Defense

[Tyronn Lue]

Two different voting groups for the awards. I addressed it already. Media voted for RS individual awards, coaches voted for all NBA teams.

Just admit you didn't know (again). I cannot believe you been on an NBA forum for what, 20 years? and still don't know basic NBA shit.

[MultiTroll]

Coaches voted for all NBA teams prior to 2013-2014 season.
You want to stick with that? Below is how All Star teams are selected. You wanna post a link to where the coaches selected the All Pro teams prior to 2013-14?



For the first 24 NBA All-Star Games, a panel of sportswriters and broadcasters were responsible for selecting each Conference’s starting five and three bench players. Coaches filled out the rest of the roster, which grew from 10 players to 12 players in 1961.
Fans were first given the opportunity to vote for NBA All-Star starters during the 1974-75 season. The seven reserves for each team were picked by each conference’s respective head coaches.
In 2016-17, current players and media joined the fans in the voting process.
sause? NBA.com

[ambchang]

Can you try again?

Seriously. How do you determine that? Who is good and who isn’t?

[MultiTroll]

Just admit you didn't know (again). I cannot believe you been on an NBA forum for what, 20 years? and still don't know basic NBA shit.
Something about admitting you don't know basic NBA shit?


Coaches voted for all NBA teams prior to 2013-2014 season.

2012-13 Kia NBA MVP LeBron James headlines 2012-13 All-NBA First Team
The All-NBA Teams were chosen by a panel of 119 sportswriters and broadcasters throughout the United States and Canada. The media voted for All-NBA First, Second and Third Teams by position with points awarded on a 5-3-1 basis. Below are the results of the voting for the 2012-13 All-NBA Teams,

Sause? NBA.com
2012-13 Kia NBA MVP LeBron James headlines 2012-13 All-NBA First Team - NBA.com: NBA Communications (https://pr.nba.com/lebron-james-2012-13-all-nba-team/)

[ambchang]

You want to stick with that? Below is how All Star teams are selected. You wanna post a link to where the coaches selected the All Pro teams prior to 2013-14?



For the first 24 NBA All-Star Games, a panel of sportswriters and broadcasters were responsible for selecting each Conference’s starting five and three bench players. Coaches filled out the rest of the roster, which grew from 10 players to 12 players in 1961.
Fans were first given the opportunity to vote for NBA All-Star starters during the 1974-75 season. The seven reserves for each team were picked by each conference’s respective head coaches.
In 2016-17, current players and media joined the fans in the voting process.
sause? NBA.com


Do you know the difference between all star teams and all nba teams? I’m starting to worry about you.

[MultiTroll]

Do you know the difference between all star teams and all nba teams? I’m starting to worry about you.
Sure you're worried Numby.


Something about admitting you don't know basic NBA shit?



2012-13 Kia NBA MVP LeBron James headlines 2012-13 All-NBA First Team
The All-NBA Teams were chosen by a panel of 119 sportswriters and broadcasters throughout the United States and Canada. The media voted for All-NBA First, Second and Third Teams by position with points awarded on a 5-3-1 basis. Below are the results of the voting for the 2012-13 All-NBA Teams,

Sause? NBA.com
2012-13 Kia NBA MVP LeBron James headlines 2012-13 All-NBA First Team - NBA.com: NBA Communications (https://pr.nba.com/lebron-james-2012-13-all-nba-team/)

[Tyronn Lue]

You're showing All NBA, not All Defense. Yes I said "all NBA" but your argument is about DPOY vs All Defense selection conflicts. I think you're floundering now. No idea where you get All Star when talking about All NBA, then the All Pro comment. Not sure. Drugs?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_All-Defensive_Team

Voting is conducted by a panel of 123 writers and broadcasters.[1] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_All-Defensive_Team#cite_note-1) Prior to the 2013–14 NBA season (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013%E2%80%9314_NBA_season), voting was performed by the NBA head coaches, who were restricted from voting for players on their own team.[2] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_All-Defensive_Team#cite_note-wallace-2)[3] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_All-Defensive_Team#cite_note-3)

https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2012/5/24/3040269/nba-all-defensive-team-2012-coaches-vote

Why Can't Coaches Get NBA All-Defensive Vote Right?


The NBA All-Defensive team includes head-scratching choices year after year, and this season is no exception. Why do the coaches do such a dubious job selecting the best defenders in the league?

[ambchang]

Sure you're worried Numby.

They why did you quote an all star selection when Ty was talking about All NBA? I am not entirely sure what you were getting at?

[Tyronn Lue]

They why did you quote an all star selection when Ty was talking about All NBA? I am not entirely sure what you were getting at?
Looks like he gave up. Probably digging around for some stats that don't mean what he thinks they mean.

[MultiTroll]

Coaches voted for all NBA teams prior to 2013-2014 season.
You gave up. :lol


You want to stick with that? Below is how All Star teams are selected. You wanna post a link to where the coaches selected the All Pro teams prior to 2013-14?



For the first 24 NBA All-Star Games, a panel of sportswriters and broadcasters were responsible for selecting each Conference’s starting five and three bench players. Coaches filled out the rest of the roster, which grew from 10 players to 12 players in 1961.
Fans were first given the opportunity to vote for NBA All-Star starters during the 1974-75 season. The seven reserves for each team were picked by each conference’s respective head coaches.
In 2016-17, current players and media joined the fans in the voting process.
sause? NBA.com

[Tyronn Lue]

You gave up. :lol
:lol sure.