Poker players and mathematicians. What are the odds?

[MultiTroll]

QQ both red. Shirley
Qc 10c Fabbs
10 spades ___ (did not show other card) Chumpdumper

Flop
10 10 Q

That is 2 outer, 1 outer, 1 outer.

What are the percentages of that Flop happening?

Bandwidth saver: I folded preflop so you'll have to fantasize any schadenfreude.

[MultiTroll]

Turn was a King.
She went All In. Chump called.
I don't remember what the River was.

[Tyronn Lue]

Who had the BB?

[MultiTroll]

Who had the BB?
None of the 3.

I had racked my chips and was going to leave before my BB. I have seriously suspected this place of cheating and the LONG delay before the hand raised my Spidey senses.
I know Chump was 2 before the dealer button and Shirley was the dealer button.

It was the deck change before the hand. Standard operationg procedure, i think this place does it every 2 hours.
However after the dealer did the whole spread the card and shuffle both decks, out comes a card runner with an entire 2 other new decks.

Like i said this place reeks of schemery, like most casinos do. But his one has extra schenannigans so i am careful as hell when circumstances are Im playing there.

[Tyronn Lue]

You never know. If I suspected anything at all I'd cash in my chips and leave.

[Ef-man]

QQ both red. Shirley
Qc 10c Fabbs
10 spades ___ (did not show other card) Chumpdumper

Flop
10 10 Q

That is 2 outer, 1 outer, 1 outer.

What are the percentages of that Flop happening?

Bandwidth saver: I folded preflop so you'll have to fantasize any schadenfreude.

You believe off suit 7&2 always beats pocket aces?

I know someone from a retardo-universe willing to lay down money on that premise.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

You believe off suit 7&2 always beats pocket aces?

I know someone from a retardo-universe willing to lay down money on that premise.

Awww please. Bullets are overrated. I've beaten them with "lesser" hands like cowboys, ladies, fishhooks, The Dog, jacks'n 5, baby pocket pair, ace-rag, suited connectors, the dead man's hand, and yes, even The Hammer.

Jokes aside, pocket aces are really a curse. You never want to lay them down but you also feel the intense need to get them paid off, like cooking a turkey for Thanksgiving or something. You don't want to go past the flop more than heads-up but you also don't want to shove too early and scare everyone else into folding. You're hoping for the driest possible flop and also hoping that someone with one of the "lesser" hands didn't hit a sneaky set or gutshot straight draw that they're willing to play on for.

[DeadlyDynasty]

Awww please. Bullets are overrated. I've beaten them with "lesser" hands like cowboys, ladies, fishhooks, The Dog, jacks'n 5, baby pocket pair, ace-rag, suited connectors, the dead man's hand, and yes, even The Hammer.

Jokes aside, pocket aces are really a curse. You never want to lay them down but you also feel the intense need to get them paid off, like cooking a turkey for Thanksgiving or something. You don't want to go past the flop more than heads-up but you also don't want to shove too early and scare everyone else into folding. You're hoping for the driest possible flop and also hoping that someone with one of the "lesser" hands didn't hit a sneaky set or gutshot straight draw that they're willing to play on for.
Thanks for telling us what to hope for on the flop if we have pocket aces. What a revelation

[UNT Eagles 2016]

Thanks for telling us what to hope for on the flop if we have pocket aces. What a revelation

with pocket aces, pretty much a rainbow board with an ace is the only place where you can slow play and hope for a check raise re-raise call scenario. Any flop without an ace is a concern, a rainbow board with spaced out lower cards is probably your next best bet but you've still got to play that somewhat aggressively. You never just check or call there. Third pot bets if you're out of position, re-raise if you're in position. If the board on the flop is wet, suited, and full of draw potential, and you still didn't get your third ace, now's probably the time to shove or potentially even fold if it's bad enough. You want to pay off the aces but you don't want to allow someone counting on a draw get to see a cheap or free turn card which could make their flush, straight, set, boat etc. That said if it's three of the same suit and they're shoving you all in there's a good chance they could already have the nuts and there's only an outside shot that they're bluffing. If your ace happens to match that suit you call because you have enough outs to justify it, otherwise fold.

[benefactor]

I hate pocket aces. I feel like every time it happens you get fucked on the flop and baited into staying in a hand you should have left.

[benefactor]

I would much rather have something suited on a flush draw. Or even a straight draw. You might not actually win the hand straight up, but I feel like you can bluff your way out of it if your opponent sees too many of one suit on the flop.

[Thread]

I hate pocket aces. I feel like every time it happens you get fucked on the flop and baited into staying in a hand you should have left.

I wish they'd haul your ass behind frosted glass like in "The Hustler" ...then that pretty little wife of yours would have to wipe your rump for 6 weeks.

[Ef-man]

I hate pocket aces. I feel like every time it happens you get fucked on the flop and baited into staying in a hand you should have left.

An all-in pocket aces pre-flop would get rid of any 7&2 wannabes. Even so, pocket aces win 85% of the time against one opponent holding a random hand in Texas Holdem.

However, in a retartdo-universe, this translates to off suit 7&2 always beating pocket aces.

[clambake]

Who gets pocket aces and calls?

[MultiTroll]

I hate pocket aces. I feel like every time it happens you get fucked on the flop and baited into staying in a hand you should have left.


I would much rather have something suited on a flush draw. Or even a straight draw. You might not actually win the hand straight up, but I feel like you can bluff your way out of it if your opponent sees too many of one suit on the flop.
Doyle Branson info got outdated since he wrote his book.
That having been said, imo it's still true his comment that generally speaking "It seems like pocket Aces are good for two things, either winning a small pot or losing a big one."

[benefactor]

An all-in pocket aces pre-flop would get rid of any 7&2 wannabes. Even so, pocket aces win 85% of the time against one opponent holding a random hand in Texas Holdem.

However, in a retartdo-universe, this translates to off suit 7&2 always beating pocket aces.
Yes I'm a little bit jaded. I've never won with pocket aces:lol

[benefactor]

Who gets pocket aces and calls?
You don't. It's a rookie mistake thinking you are going to hit on the flop or the river. I would let the flop fall and if nothing looks promising I would fold.

[benefactor]

I've seen guys push in a bunch of chips thinking of those aces will hold up. Someone cleans them out with a full house and they walk away broke

[benefactor]

Thanks for telling us what to hope for on the flop if we have pocket aces. What a revelation
You apparently know like I know, poker is strategy and not math. I'm not sure why fabbs brought math strategy into a poker conversation.

You know like I know that seeing that straight draw or flush draw and forcing someone to fold is much more sound than holding on to those pocket aces. At the end of the day, it's all about gauging the fortitude of the other man in front of you. He will act different with a winning hand.

[benefactor]

But all that said, I haven't played a lot of pro level players. It is mostly randoms at the casinos. Their nonverbals are easy to spot

[Ef-man]

Yes I'm a little bit jaded. I've never won with pocket aces:lol

On one on one, pocket aces has advantage pre-flop so saying off suit 7&2 always wins is stupid.

Would you call with an off suit 7&2 pre-flop? Me, it is an automatic fold.

[MultiTroll]

You apparently know like I know, poker is strategy and not math. I'm not sure why fabbs brought math strategy into a poker conversation.
2/10 got a little chuckle.
The math is overated to be sure.
But to say it's not involved in the strategy at all. :lol

[UNT Eagles 2016]

An all-in pocket aces pre-flop would get rid of any 7&2 wannabes. Even so, pocket aces win 85% of the time against one opponent holding a random hand in Texas Holdem.

However, in a retartdo-universe, this translates to off suit 7&2 always beating pocket aces.
All in with pocket aces pre flop and you're most likely picking up the fucking blinds and that's it. :lmao Unless you're in late position and you get lucky and someone else shoves or bets or even limps pre flop... but the limpers aren't going to call an all in shove.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

But all that said, I haven't played a lot of pro level players. It is mostly randoms at the casinos. Their nonverbals are easy to spot

exactly. that's why I'll typically wear a hat and pair of shades and keep my mouth under wraps of my hands the whole time like Phil Hellmuth does.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

I would much rather have something suited on a flush draw. Or even a straight draw. You might not actually win the hand straight up, but I feel like you can bluff your way out of it if your opponent sees too many of one suit on the flop.

Yeah. I love playing hands like jack-ten suited, especially from late position. Easy to walk away from and a fairly good chance to win a very large pot.

With pocket aces if you don't hit that third ace you might be screwed, if you do hit that third ace you're probably winning a small pot either way because if you check and slow play the chances are others aren't going to bet unless they hit something else and if you bet / raise you're probably going to get everyone else to fold because they'll put you on at least one ace in the hole.

The only time you win a big pot with pocket aces is if you get lucky and someone else has shoved or similar, or if you hit the third ace and someone else also hits a lower set with a pocket pair but that's unlikely.

[Blake]

exactly. that's why I'll typically wear a hat and pair of shades and keep my mouth under wraps of my hands the whole time like Phil Hellmuth does.

Uh huh sure you do

[Tyronn Lue]

Uh huh sure you do
:lol it's like someone created a chatbot modeled after a 15 year old with ADHD and Google.

[Blake]

:lol it's like someone created a chatbot modeled after a 15 year old with ADHD and Google.

:lol The alternative I guess is that he really does this and he's a degenerate gambler.

[Ef-man]

All in with pocket aces pre flop and you're most likely picking up the fucking blinds and that's it. :lmao Unless you're in late position and you get lucky and someone else shoves or bets or even limps pre flop... but the limpers aren't going to call an all in shove.

Work on your reading comprehension: other than in your retardo-universe, an off suit 7&2 does not always beat pocket aces.

[MultiTroll]

Work on your reading comprehension: other than in your retardo-universe, an off suit 7&2 does not always beat pocket aces.
You've tried this stupid strawman like 3Xs now.

Prawk prawk.

Other then you who ever said 7/2 off is a favorite vs AA.

Some stupid joke or?

[Ef-man]

You've tried this stupid strawman like 3Xs now.

Prawk prawk.

Other then you who ever said 7/2 off is a favorite vs AA.

Some stupid joke or?

One word: Andy

[UNT Eagles 2016]

One word: Andy
Prawk, prawk, chirp, chirp, cluck, cluck, Olangapo want a cracker etc

[Tyronn Lue]

:lol The alternative I guess is that he really does this and he's a degenerate gambler.
Like anyone cares that he's wearing sunglasses when playing the free tables online.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

Like anyone cares that he's wearing sunglasses when playing the free tables online.

Haven't done those since like 2011.