do you like this draft's depth? I do. Three deals that make sense

[venitian navigator]

As I wrote in previous posts, I'm a big fan of accumulating draft picks in this draft for many reasons.

First one is that next season is not gonna be for us a title contending season nor probably a play offs season because :

A) Wemby will begin just after the olimpics so I would not press him to play too much...he absolutely will need some resting for his body and mind (he'll probably will go to finals or semi finals considering the strenght of France basketball national team);
B) the team is still in a rebuilding mode;
C) we are supposed to be big players in the 2025 draft with at least 2 first (lottery) picks of big value (our and Atlanta's).


Second one is that Wemby will be involved for sure in FO decisions about the roster and the draft market looks at least to be quite on the same level of a free agency market that don't offer that much...so you can acquire players of presumably quite the same level for a minimum amount of the price (rookie deals).


Third one is that in this draft there are a lot of french players or french speacking players (canadians) that Wemby could look at to easier the team building.


That said, here are three more than possible trades that our FO, considering our actual assets, if they really like this draft, could explore:


1) SPURS RECEIVE Charlotte number 6 pick + Bertans CHARLOTTE RECEIVE BACK THEIR 2025 PICK (LOTTERY PROTECTED) + KJ (OR COLLINS OR GRAHAM and BASSEY)

why Charlotte do this :
if they dont want to tank from the beginning and think 2025 is a much better draft than this one they could be willing to not lose their 2025 PICK that is now in our hands if they dont miss the play offs. Plus, we can give them some veteran (KJ is obviously the best one and ideal Miles Bridges sobstitute if they decide to part ways with him; being a slasher, should mesh well with Lamelo and Miller. If they decide to re sign Bridges, we can offer players that cover some holes like back up PG - Graham (plus Bassey)- or back up center - Collins, that have similar contracts to Bertans one).

2) SPURS RECEIVE Bulls number 11 pick BULLS RECEIVE BACK THEIR 2025 PICK TOP 10 PROTECTED and our LAK second round 2024 pick (number 48)

why Chicago do this :

its all about team strategies. For what I know Chicago still wants to be a play offs team this year and so re sign De Marr De Rozan. If they decide that 2025 is the potential rebuilding year, they are probably going for veterans this year and picks next one. If they value (like every nba GM actually) 2024 draft as a lot weaker than 2025 draft, they will probably be inclined to receive back their 2025 (top 10 protected) pick...


3) SPURS RECEIVE Cleveland number 20 pick CLEVELAND RECEIVE MALAKI BRAHAM

why Cleveland do this :
they were supposed to be really high on Malaki on draft night. That's the same draft position of Malaki in a siupposedly weaker draft. Plus if they, as expected, trade Garland and re sign Mitchell, they will have a need at pg/shooting guard that Malaki should fill very well...

[SpurSpike]

The Pelicans are rumored to want to trade their 1st for future second round picks. They don't have any second round picks till 2030! Spurs have plenty of second round picks to trade.

[Pauleta14]

As I wrote in previous posts, I'm a big fan of accumulating draft picks in this draft for many reasons.

First one is that next season is not gonna be for us a title contending season nor probably a play offs season because :

A) Wemby will begin just after the olimpics so I would not press him to play too much...he absolutely will need some resting for his body and mind (he'll probably will go to finals or semi finals considering the strenght of France basketball national team);
B) the team is still in a rebuilding mode;
C) we are supposed to be big players in the 2025 draft with at least 2 first (lottery) picks of big value (our and Atlanta's).


Second one is that Wemby will be involved for sure in FO decisions about the roster and the draft market looks at least to be quite on the same level of a free agency market that don't offer that much...so you can acquire players of presumably quite the same level for a minimum amount of the price (rookie deals).


Third one is that in this draft there are a lot of french players or french speacking players (canadians) that Wemby could look at to easier the team building.


That said, here are three more than possible trades that our FO, considering our actual assets, if they really like this draft, could explore:


1) SPURS RECEIVE Charlotte number 6 pick + Bertans CHARLOTTE RECEIVE BACK THEIR 2025 PICK (LOTTERY PROTECTED) + KJ (OR COLLINS OR GRAHAM and BASSEY)

why Charlotte do this :
if they dont want to tank from the beginning and think 2025 is a much better draft than this one they could be willing to not lose their 2025 PICK that is now in our hands if they dont miss the play offs. Plus, we can give them some veteran (KJ is obviously the best one and ideal Miles Bridges sobstitute if they decide to part ways with him; being a slasher, should mesh well with Lamelo and Miller. If they decide to re sign Bridges, we can offer players that cover some holes like back up PG - Graham (plus Bassey)- or back up center - Collins, that have similar contracts to Bertans one).

2) SPURS RECEIVE Bulls number 11 pick BULLS RECEIVE BACK THEIR 2025 PICK TOP 10 PROTECTED and our LAK second round 2024 pick (number 48)

why Chicago do this :

its all about team strategies. For what I know Chicago still wants to be a play offs team this year and so re sign De Marr De Rozan. If they decide that 2025 is the potential rebuilding year, they are probably going for veterans this year and picks next one. If they value (like every nba GM actually) 2024 draft as a lot weaker than 2025 draft, they will probably be inclined to receive back their 2025 (top 10 protected) pick...


3) SPURS RECEIVE Cleveland number 20 pick CLEVELAND RECEIVE MALAKI BRAHAM

why Cleveland do this :
they were supposed to be really high on Malaki on draft night. That's the same draft position of Malaki in a siupposedly weaker draft. Plus if they, as expected, trade Garland and re sign Mitchell, they will have a need at pg/shooting guard that Malaki should fill very well...

I'm not against this idea, however...

- The olympics finish end of August at worse, so they'll have 2 months before the start of the season. Way enough to rest and prepare.

- I'm 100% sure Wemby dagf about nationalities or having teammates that speak french. At equal value, why not, but I don't see it being a huge deal as fans can imagine. Smart people respect merit.

- Wemby's defensive impact will make it almost impossible for the team to lose as much as you imagine. Add his competitiveness, the natural progress of some players, adding a few experienced ones (as it is expected) AND a lot of teams openely tanking post ASG bc of a unique draft quality...

Ultimately, I think it'll all depend on market opportunities more than Wemby. Depending of the availibility of a top player to join the Spurs, PATFO will either accelerate the process or wait for the right deal. I can't see them jeopardising the future by forcing a deal just to please the medias and fans this summer.
If they get the right deal and get an allstar PG tho, it would change the whole team and I could even see the Spurs making the POs

Your plan would make sense if we can't find an elite player to pair with Vic this summer. Then patience and development is the move.

[Ariel]

As I wrote in previous posts, I'm a big fan of accumulating draft picks in this draft for many reasons.

First one is that next season is not gonna be for us a title contending season nor probably a play offs season because :

A) Wemby will begin just after the olimpics so I would not press him to play too much...he absolutely will need some resting for his body and mind (he'll probably will go to finals or semi finals considering the strenght of France basketball national team);
B) the team is still in a rebuilding mode;
C) we are supposed to be big players in the 2025 draft with at least 2 first (lottery) picks of big value (our and Atlanta's).


Second one is that Wemby will be involved for sure in FO decisions about the roster and the draft market looks at least to be quite on the same level of a free agency market that don't offer that much...so you can acquire players of presumably quite the same level for a minimum amount of the price (rookie deals).


Third one is that in this draft there are a lot of french players or french speacking players (canadians) that Wemby could look at to easier the team building.


That said, here are three more than possible trades that our FO, considering our actual assets, if they really like this draft, could explore:


1) SPURS RECEIVE Charlotte number 6 pick + Bertans CHARLOTTE RECEIVE BACK THEIR 2025 PICK (LOTTERY PROTECTED) + KJ (OR COLLINS OR GRAHAM and BASSEY)

why Charlotte do this :
if they dont want to tank from the beginning and think 2025 is a much better draft than this one they could be willing to not lose their 2025 PICK that is now in our hands if they dont miss the play offs. Plus, we can give them some veteran (KJ is obviously the best one and ideal Miles Bridges sobstitute if they decide to part ways with him; being a slasher, should mesh well with Lamelo and Miller. If they decide to re sign Bridges, we can offer players that cover some holes like back up PG - Graham (plus Bassey)- or back up center - Collins, that have similar contracts to Bertans one).

2) SPURS RECEIVE Bulls number 11 pick BULLS RECEIVE BACK THEIR 2025 PICK TOP 10 PROTECTED and our LAK second round 2024 pick (number 48)

why Chicago do this :

its all about team strategies. For what I know Chicago still wants to be a play offs team this year and so re sign De Marr De Rozan. If they decide that 2025 is the potential rebuilding year, they are probably going for veterans this year and picks next one. If they value (like every nba GM actually) 2024 draft as a lot weaker than 2025 draft, they will probably be inclined to receive back their 2025 (top 10 protected) pick...


3) SPURS RECEIVE Cleveland number 20 pick CLEVELAND RECEIVE MALAKI BRAHAM

why Cleveland do this :
they were supposed to be really high on Malaki on draft night. That's the same draft position of Malaki in a siupposedly weaker draft. Plus if they, as expected, trade Garland and re sign Mitchell, they will have a need at pg/shooting guard that Malaki should fill very well...
Trades 1 and 3 are completely unrealistic and trade 2 is a pass. Only thing I might agree is that the Chicago pick is risky, so if there's anything that makes sense now I'd consider it.

[exstatic]

As I wrote in previous posts, I'm a big fan of accumulating draft picks in this draft for many reasons.

First one is that next season is not gonna be for us a title contending season nor probably a play offs season because :

A) Wemby will begin just after the olimpics so I would not press him to play too much...he absolutely will need some resting for his body and mind (he'll probably will go to finals or semi finals considering the strenght of France basketball national team);
B) the team is still in a rebuilding mode;
C) we are supposed to be big players in the 2025 draft with at least 2 first (lottery) picks of big value (our and Atlanta's).


Second one is that Wemby will be involved for sure in FO decisions about the roster and the draft market looks at least to be quite on the same level of a free agency market that don't offer that much...so you can acquire players of presumably quite the same level for a minimum amount of the price (rookie deals).


Third one is that in this draft there are a lot of french players or french speacking players (canadians) that Wemby could look at to easier the team building.


That said, here are three more than possible trades that our FO, considering our actual assets, if they really like this draft, could explore:


1) SPURS RECEIVE Charlotte number 6 pick + Bertans CHARLOTTE RECEIVE BACK THEIR 2025 PICK (LOTTERY PROTECTED) + KJ (OR COLLINS OR GRAHAM and BASSEY)

why Charlotte do this :
if they dont want to tank from the beginning and think 2025 is a much better draft than this one they could be willing to not lose their 2025 PICK that is now in our hands if they dont miss the play offs. Plus, we can give them some veteran (KJ is obviously the best one and ideal Miles Bridges sobstitute if they decide to part ways with him; being a slasher, should mesh well with Lamelo and Miller. If they decide to re sign Bridges, we can offer players that cover some holes like back up PG - Graham (plus Bassey)- or back up center - Collins, that have similar contracts to Bertans one).

2) SPURS RECEIVE Bulls number 11 pick BULLS RECEIVE BACK THEIR 2025 PICK TOP 10 PROTECTED and our LAK second round 2024 pick (number 48)

why Chicago do this :

its all about team strategies. For what I know Chicago still wants to be a play offs team this year and so re sign De Marr De Rozan. If they decide that 2025 is the potential rebuilding year, they are probably going for veterans this year and picks next one. If they value (like every nba GM actually) 2024 draft as a lot weaker than 2025 draft, they will probably be inclined to receive back their 2025 (top 10 protected) pick...


3) SPURS RECEIVE Cleveland number 20 pick CLEVELAND RECEIVE MALAKI BRAHAM

why Cleveland do this :
they were supposed to be really high on Malaki on draft night. That's the same draft position of Malaki in a siupposedly weaker draft. Plus if they, as expected, trade Garland and re sign Mitchell, they will have a need at pg/shooting guard that Malaki should fill very well...

Not just no, FUCK NO. That’s one of the worst trades I’ve seen posted on ST, EVER, and I’ve been here for 20+ years. You don’t trade #11 in a shit draft for a likely #11 in a great draft. Chicago ain’t doing shit next year, no matter who they resign.

And how many fucking players do you think we can develop at one time, because you have us making 5 FRP selections.

[Ariel]

You don’t trade #11 in a shit draft for a likely #11 in a great draft. Chicago ain’t doing shit next year, no matter who they resign.
That's kind of the problem, though. Chicago might be a sinking ship whether they intend to or not, if they're bottom 10 you're (likely) not getting the pick no matter how good the draft class may be (in fact this may entice them to tank), and the 2 years following the pick is top 8 protected. They're barely at that point right now, and might be losing soon-to-be 35 year old DDR and Caruso. It doesn't take a lot of effort to imagine a scenario where they get worse and the pick doesn't convey. I'd consider using it as a trade chip, just not necessarily in this proposal.

[spurraider21]

The Pelicans are rumored to want to trade their 1st for future second round picks. They don't have any second round picks till 2030! Spurs have plenty of second round picks to trade.
for context, the spurs own most of those pelicans second rounders. they sent us 4 in the josh richardson trade alongside devonte graham

[exstatic]

The Pelicans are rumored to want to trade their 1st for future second round picks. They don't have any second round picks till 2030! Spurs have plenty of second round picks to trade.

Shows the value of anything past #20 in the first in this draft. A team is willing to dump one for seconds.

[exstatic]

That's kind of the problem, though. Chicago might be a sinking ship whether they intend to or not, if they're bottom 10 you're (likely) not getting the pick no matter how good the draft class may be (in fact this may entice them to tank), and the 2 years following the pick is top 8 protected. They're barely at that point right now, and might be losing soon-to-be 35 year old DDR and Caruso. It doesn't take a lot of effort to imagine a scenario where they get worse and the pick doesn't convey. I'd consider using it as a trade chip, just not necessarily in this proposal.

I agree, but of all of the possible first round picks for next year, the only one I would entertain flipping back to the owner is Charlotte, since it can not be better than #15, and they look cooked anyway. I’d kind of be hesitant to move the CHI pick now, since it’s not expiring like the CHA pick, and it becomes less protected in time for the 2026 draft, which has some hitters at the top.

[Ariel]

I agree, but of all of the possible first round picks for next year, the only one I would entertain flipping back to the owner is Charlotte, since it can not be better than #15, and they look cooked anyway. I’d kind of be hesitant to move the CHI pick now, since it’s not expiring like the CHA pick, and it becomes less protected in time for the 2026 draft, which has some hitters at the top.
We'll get a clearer picture soon enough. If they lose DDR or Caruso... buckle up.

[heyheymymy]

That's kind of the problem, though. Chicago might be a sinking ship whether they intend to or not, if they're bottom 10 you're (likely) not getting the pick no matter how good the draft class may be (in fact this may entice them to tank), and the 2 years following the pick is top 8 protected. They're barely at that point right now, and might be losing soon-to-be 35 year old DDR and Caruso. It doesn't take a lot of effort to imagine a scenario where they get worse and the pick doesn't convey. I'd consider using it as a trade chip, just not necessarily in this proposal.

Ex is right, I would not trade CHI their 25 back for their #11 2024 pick. But I agree with Ariel restating: CHI is on the Spurs radar now like ATL. I'm wary with Demar Drummund and P Williams all falling off the books right before their top 10 protected comes due, too much changeover when as we can see, the current roster delivered the best possible outcome (#11 if top 10 protected). Kinda want them to lock in the current conditions for 1 more year and hope they land about the same spot.

If they dump for the 25 tank they can easily get under the 10 as Ariel points out. If they use the open salary to go all in they can land back some in the first.

It's like TOR 2024, another thread the needle season long monitoring situation for SA, someone fire up the new thread tracking it lol

[venitian navigator]

I understand all reactions and points of wiew by imho (and I suspect our FO share the same wiew) this draft could be a very good opportunity to build with quality and quantity (bad draft on top, more than decent in the middle...players like Collier or Edey taken at picks from 15 to 25, as they are currently projected by a lot of mock drafts, imho, are big steals in any draft).
I just suggested three potential trades (unbalanced? maybe but its always possible to fix them adding some more little pieces), someone posted other chances (like that Pelicans would trade their first for some seconds) because i think its a fact that a lot of managements consider this as a weak draft, expecially on the top, and could be convinced to change picks with players or future picks.
To people that say 5 picks are too much I say that we already have four picks, we are in a rebuilding mode and my trades point to draft for more quality (trading for firsts instead of seconds). So I can't see that as a bad deal, nor a deal that is not in line with our actual situation. Plus I'm not enthused at all with the development of same of our young pieces (ex. Wesley, Braham) and some veterans, so, if we can in some way add talent in exchange for them i see it as a good thing...
Finally, the Chicago situation in rapidly evolving so, imho, maybe its better to take a (good) egg now (while CHi has not ruled out the chance to be a play off team for this year) than a (possibly dead, aka second round picks) chicken tomorrow...

[scott]

If the Spurs like this draft more than consensus, as timvp has reported, then I wouldn’t be opposed to trading the CHI25 pick for #11 this year. We already have two picks next year… when in theory we should be even further along on our journey to competing, so 3 rookies will be even less ideal than 3 rookies this year (which is less appealing than when we took 3 rookies pre-Wemby).

When we traded DJM, there was a higher degree of confidence in the CHA pick conveying than there should have been, just as there is with this CHI pick. The CHI pick still has a higher likelihood of conveying than the CHA pick did, but there is indeed real danger that we never see that pick that I think folks have discounted for too long.

[DPG21920]

If the Spurs like this draft more than consensus, as timvp has reported, then I wouldn’t be opposed to trading the CHI25 pick for #11 this year. We already have two picks next year… when in theory we should be even further along on our journey to competing, so 3 rookies will be even less ideal than 3 rookies this year (which is less appealing than when we took 3 rookies pre-Wemby).

When we traded DJM, there was a higher degree of confidence in the CHA pick conveying than there should have been, just as there is with this CHI pick. The CHI pick still has a higher likelihood of conveying than the CHA pick did, but there is indeed real danger that we never see that pick that I think folks have discounted for too long.

Imagine a scenario where SA does this and ends up with Risacher at 4, trades up from 8 to 6 and gets Castle then gets Carter at 11. Completely revamps guard rotation with defense and size while adding wing length & makes Branham Tre Blake expendable


Not the worst outcome at all

[scott]

Imagine a scenario where SA does this and ends up with Risacher at 4, trades up from 8 to 6 and gets Castle then gets Carter at 11. Completely revamps guard rotation with defense and size while adding wing length & makes Branham Tre Blake expendable


Not the worst outcome at all

I don’t even like Risacher that much, but I’d be super stoked about that draft outcome. Maybe no stars out of that group, but just some solid players.

[DPG21920]

I don’t even like Risacher that much, but I’d be super stoked about that draft outcome. Maybe no stars out of that group, but just some solid players.

3 higher ceiling better defensive guys with 2 solid shooters is worth giving up a shot at pick 11 next year imo

[DPG21920]

SA trades CHI their 25 protected pick back (and maybe some 2nds) for CHI pick 11 this draft

Spurs take Risacher at 4, able to trade 8 plus CHA pick back to CHA for pick 6 and grab Castle & nab Carter at 11

[baseline bum]

Imagine a scenario where SA does this and ends up with Risacher at 4, trades up from 8 to 6 and gets Castle then gets Carter at 11. Completely revamps guard rotation with defense and size while adding wing length & makes Branham Tre Blake expendable


Not the worst outcome at all

Would be nice but can't see why Charlotte gives us Castle when he's an obvious fit for them at #6.

[DPG21920]

Would be nice but can't see why Charlotte gives us Castle when he's an obvious fit for them at #6.

Getting their 25 pick back has to be enticing no? If LaMelo is decently healthy & Miller leaps & they keep Bridges they could def be a playoff team and they still get to pick top 10 here

[baseline bum]

Getting their 25 pick back has to be enticing no? If LaMelo is decently healthy & Miller leaps & they keep Bridges they could def be a playoff team and they still get to pick top 10 here

No getting their two seconds back doesn't sound enticing enough for them to give up the guy who is an almost perfect fit for their roster. I don't know why everyone thinks Charlotte is just going to gift the Spurs two slots and the guy they'd likely want for a couple of seconds.

[DPG21920]

No getting their two seconds back doesn't sound enticing enough for them to give up the guy who is an almost perfect fit for their roster.

If the 2025 draft is so important moving back 2 spots to guarantee you do not miss that draft seems easily justified

You have to think castle is so much better than who is at 8 that you’re willing to punt 2025 draft

[baseline bum]

If the 2025 draft is so important moving back 2 spots to guarantee you do not miss that draft seems easily justified

The pick is lottery protected. They're not going to miss that draft. :lol

[baseline bum]

If the 2025 draft is so important moving back 2 spots to guarantee you do not miss that draft seems easily justified

You have to think castle is so much better than who is at 8 that you’re willing to punt 2025 draft

LOL losing a second round pick being punting the 2025 draft

[DPG21920]

The pick is lottery protected. They're not going to miss that draft. :lol

My man it’s not a stretch to see cha as a 8th seed

[baseline bum]

My man it’s not a stretch to see cha as a 8th seed

It's an enormous stretch to see them leapfrog one of Boston, Milwaukee, New York, Indiana, Philly, Orlando, Cleveland, or Miami, especially in a year they'll almost certainly tank with very high end talent in the top 4. That pick has always been a fake first.

[baseline bum]

If the Spurs have Risacher and Castle both on the board at 4 the only way to get both is taking Risacher 4 and trading up with Detroit to take Castle 5. Hopefully the Pistons would take Keldon and 8, would be way less dumb than paying Monty $65 million to sit at home.

[exstatic]

My man it’s not a stretch to see cha as a 8th seed

Yes it is, even in the crap East.

[DPG21920]

It's an enormous stretch to see them leapfrog one of Boston, Milwaukee, New York, Indiana, Philly, Orlando, Cleveland, or Miami, especially in a year they'll almost certainly tank with very high end talent in the top 4. That pick has always been a fake first.

I dont know that they are tanking with LaMelo + Miller looking great + possibly brining back Bridges for the full season vs just a fraction of it like last year + having 6th pick.

Especially if what you are saying is true and Castle is “perfect” fit, then wouldn’t that just bolster their chances of sneaking in? CHA won 43 games just 2 seasons ago….Im not saying its “likely” but are you really willing to gamble on losing out on that 25 draft when the cost to guarantee you dont is moving back 2 spots?

[exstatic]

I dont know that they are tanking with LaMelo + Miller looking great + possibly brining back Bridges for the full season vs just a fraction of it like last year + having 6th pick.

Especially if what you are saying is true and Castle is “perfect” fit, then wouldn’t that just bolster their chances of sneaking in? CHA won 43 games just 2 seasons ago….Im not saying its “likely” but are you really willing to gamble on losing out on that 25 draft when the cost to guarantee you dont is moving back 2 spots?

They’re not a playoff team, as is, and why would they NOT tank with this upcoming draft? They would also only “miss out on the 2025 draft” if their pick is 15th or worse, the only scenario where it would convey to us. The only way they miss out on the choice picks at the top is if they don’t tank.

[DPG21920]

They’re not a playoff team, as is, and why would they NOT tank with this upcoming draft? They would also only “miss out on the 2025 draft” if their pick is 15th or worse, the only scenario where it would convey to us. The only way they miss out on the choice picks at the top is if they don’t tank.

Because if LaMelo is healthy and Brandon Miller keeps going and they re-sign Bridges, theres just no way to functionally fully tank in that scenario unless there are injuries (which is definitely a possibility with LaMelo). Especially since they will, in either scenario here, be adding a top 8 pick to their team as well.

They only have to make it to the 9th or 10th seed to be a play in team. That is not a stretch to me at all. At that point, its just 2 games and if you’re a FO gaming out all scenarios etc…it would be foolish to me to not move back two spots so that the scenario of you being 10th seed and needed just two wins to make playoffs keeps you from having exposure to first round of next years draft.

I dont see how this is arguable in terms of value even if you think the scenario is “highly unlikely”. Moving back 2 spots in this draft is not some major cost for that insurance is the point.

[baseline bum]

Because if LaMelo is healthy and Brandon Miller keeps going and they re-sign Bridges, theres just no way to functionally fully tank in that scenario unless there are injuries (which is definitely a possibility with LaMelo). Especially since they will, in either scenario here, be adding a top 8 pick to their team as well.

They only have to make it to the 9th or 10th seed to be a play in team. That is not a stretch to me at all. At that point, its just 2 games and if you’re a FO gaming out all scenarios etc…it would be foolish to me to not move back two spots so that the scenario of you being 10th seed and needed just two wins to make playoffs keeps you from having exposure to first round of next years draft.

I dont see how this is arguable in terms of value even if you think the scenario is “highly unlikely”. Moving back 2 spots in this draft is not some major cost for that insurance is the point.

You're so hung up on the number of spots instead of getting the guy they want who fits there. Also they were 7-15 with LaMelo in the lineup last year; they're not a playoff threat and they'd be stupid to pass on Castle just to get two second round picks back.

[DPG21920]

You're so hung up on the number of spots instead of getting the guy they want who fits there. Also they were 7-15 with LaMelo in the lineup last year; they're not a playoff threat and they'd be stupid to pass on Castle just to get two second round picks back.

You are acting like Castle, even in this draft, is some cant miss prospect with no flaws. If he were that, he would be going number one, not 6. You just cant shake your own personal view of him IMO and see the forest for the trees on how the rest of the league seems to view not just him but the overall draft. You’re telling me that Carter or someone like that is so much worse and doesnt fit great that you cant fathom moving back 2 spots?

Makes no sense to me personally but I digress. Like what if SA took Castle at 4 and hes no longer there for CHA? Is their draft doomed?

[baseline bum]

You are acting like Castle, even in this draft, is some cant miss prospect with no flaws. If he were that, he would be going number one, not 6. You just cant shake your own personal view of him IMO and see the forest for the trees on how the rest of the league seems to view not just him but the overall draft. You’re telling me that Carter or someone like that is so much worse and doesnt fit great that you cant fathom moving back 2 spots?

Makes no sense to me personally but I digress. Like what if SA took Castle at 4 and hes no longer there for CHA? Is their draft doomed?

You're arguing a weak strawman. I'm acting like Charlotte makes the obvious pick when they desperately need guards whereas like you said, they have Miller and Bridges already for the forwards so probably wouldn't value guys like Holland or Williams who could be there at 8 nearly as highly. You're so hung up on it being two spots as opposed to the guy they'd want. You think Carter is rated nearly as highly as Castle by front offices? What are you smoking bro.

[DPG21920]

You're arguing a weak strawman. I'm acting like Charlotte makes the obvious pick when they desperately need guards whereas like you said, they have Miller and Bridges already for the forwards so probably wouldn't value guys like Holland or Williams who could be there at 8 nearly as highly.

So then their prefect fit in fact helps them towards making the playoffs

Also, what does CHA do if SA picks Castle 4? Then what? I thought it was obvious not to get entirely caught up in the very specific scenario only and think through scenarios like this.

Maybe SA takes Castle at 4 and now calls CHA and says “let’s trade 8 + your pick for 6” and CHA doesn’t have that perfect fit. Or SA works with DET and leaps CHA for Castle anyways. This was a general framework and it’s not a straw man.

Acting like it’s Castle or bust for CHA makes no sense in terms of anyone’s overall ranking and completely dismissing CHA having some risk to losing their pick (even if small) and ignoring a very simple solution (moving back 2 spots in a weak draft) to solve that is just wild to me.

You call CHA and say “we have a deal in place with DET at 5 for Castle. You aren’t getting him. So, if you want, you can deal 6 to us for 8 + your pick back or we just deal with DET and you aren’t getting Castile either way.

[spurraider21]

You're arguing a weak strawman. I'm acting like Charlotte makes the obvious pick when they desperately need guards whereas like you said, they have Miller and Bridges already for the forwards so probably wouldn't value guys like Holland or Williams who could be there at 8 nearly as highly. You're so hung up on it being two spots as opposed to the guy they'd want. You think Carter is rated nearly as highly as Castle by front offices? What are you smoking bro.
bridges is an unrestricted FA for what its worth

[baseline bum]

So then their prefect fit in fact helps them towards making the playoffs

Also, what does CHA do if SA picks Castle 4? Then what? I thought it was obvious not to get entirely caught up in the very specific scenario only and think through scenarios like this.


I'm not acting like it's Castle or bust for them. I'm conditioning on your scenario of the Spurs taking Risacher #4, in which case I doubt Detroit takes Castle over Buzelis and thus Castle is there for the taking at #6 for Charlotte.

[baseline bum]

bridges is an unrestricted FA for what its worth

That they'll have Bird Rights on.

[baseline bum]

Maybe SA takes Castle at 4 and now calls CHA and says “let’s trade 8 + your pick for 6” and CHA doesn’t have that perfect fit. Or SA works with DET and leaps CHA for Castle anyways. This was a general framework and it’s not a straw man.

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You call CHA and say “we have a deal in place with DET at 5 for Castle. You aren’t getting him. So, if you want, you can deal 6 to us for 8 + your pick back or we just deal with DET and you aren’t getting Castile either way.

That's kind of funny the way you shit all over the idea of trading Keldon and 8 to get Castle. Not sure what else the Spurs would reasonably offer since it would cost Detroit the chance to get Buzelis.

[DPG21920]

I'm not acting like it's Castle or bust for them. I'm conditioning on your scenario of the Spurs taking Risacher #4, in which case I doubt Detroit takes Castle over Buzelis and thus Castle is there for the taking at #6 for Charlotte.

Ok fine - but in gaming this out, which is the point vs getting completely fixated on only one specific variation of the idea, the point was there are plenty of scenarios where a trade between ChA and SA makes sense; and yes even if Castle is there for CHA IMO.

[DPG21920]

That's kind of funny the way you shit all over the idea of trading Keldon and 8 to get Castle. Not sure what else the Spurs would reasonably offer since it would cost Detroit the chance to get Buzelis.

I can shit on the deal all I want and it still happen like in this scenario. Or trading 8 + CHA first + future Spurs protected first for 5

The entire point is thinking through the general framework and possible iterations.

[baseline bum]

Ok fine - but in gaming this out, which is the point vs getting completely fixated on only one specific variation of the idea, the point was there are plenty of scenarios where a trade between ChA and SA makes sense; and yes even if Castle is there for CHA IMO.

Because that was the scenario in the post of your's I quoted: that the Spurs end up with Risacher at 4 and trade up to 6 to get Castle.

[scott]

In this scenario, I think the better play would be to take Castle at 4, let DET take Risacher, then try to get CHA to trade out of 6 where you take Buzelis, then you do the deal with CHI for Carter at 11.

If you take Risacher at 4, you pretty much assure DET takes Buzelis and CHA takes Castle, IMO.

[DPG21920]

So in listening to Trajan - DET seems open to both adding decent players on bad contracts and/or moving back for extra draft capital. Seems to me Spurs have plenty with pick 8 to move to pick 5 IF they see the need to move up.

Whether that’s Tre Jones + 8 or something like 8 + a future protected first, SA and DET could end up trade partners this draft.

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[Mr. Body]

I'd definitely do Risacher at 4 and secure Castle at 5. My big question is how much I'd push onto the table. I'd put the 35 out there, but probably not enough. I'd consider the CHA first, which is really two future (probably pretty good) SRPs.

[DPG21920]

I'd definitely do Risacher at 4 and secure Castle at 5. My big question is how much I'd push onto the table. I'd put the 35 out there, but probably not enough. I'd consider the CHA first, which is really two future (probably pretty good) SRPs.

If the situation arises where SA can walk away with Castle+Reed or Castle+Risacher by trading 8 for 5, I would do something like Branham + 8 + CHA pick + 2 2nds or 8 + future lottery protected first probably.

DET moves back 3 spots, gets maybe a young player they think is interesting and adds some draft captial or they dont value Branham and they get a lotto protected first.