Chicago Pick Watch (Top 10 Protected)

[Rubberducky]

Buzelis dropped to them somehow, maybe there’s still hope they can stay mid another year :lol

[Mr. Body]

They're trying to rebuild on the fly. The Giddey trade and getting Buzelis aren't bad efforts. Good for us, it should keep them treading water. If they lose DDR, they probably drop, though.

[Extra Stout]

I’m looking forward to this pick conveying so we can trade it to OKC for a FRP in 2032.

[scott]

Will start scouting elementary school kids now.

[Excessive Egotist]

I'd totally take on Vuc or LaVine if they unprotected the pick, with an option to defer to '26.

[Kevin]

I'd totally take on Vuc or LaVine if they unprotected the pick, with an option to defer to '26.

Vuc average 18/10 last season while making a reasonable 20M. He has positive value or neutral value worst case. LaVine has roughly 135M left on his deal. Bulls will have to eat that like the Nets with Ben Simmons. We could absorb the last season of Lonzo Ball and make it the pick unprotected but Chicago says no.

[SpursFan86]

Both Vuc and DeRozan seem unlikely to stay on the team. Not looking likely this pick conveys in 2025.

[Seventyniner]

Can't wait for this pick to convey at #12 so the Spurs can trade it to the Knicks for their 2032 first and a 2031 swap.

[BackHome]

They're trying to rebuild on the fly. The Giddey trade and getting Buzelis aren't bad efforts. Good for us, it should keep them treading water. If they lose DDR, they probably drop, though.

Those two will put butts in seats so it they may not do much but at least they will be exciting to watch for there fans

[Splits]

Are 2040 picks allowed to be traded under the current CBA? Hopefully so, that way we can get great value.

[rjv]

someone should copyright the "spurs will trade the pick for one in the year 2050" bit.

[baseline bum]

Will start scouting elementary school kids now.

You can be like Hawaii Avante

[Splits]

You can be like Hawaii Avante

lmao srsly

[mystargtr34]

Teams that will likely be worse than Chicago next year.

Detroit
Washington
Brooklyn
Utah

That puts the Bulls pick at 5.

Teams that MAY be worse than Bulls or there abouts.

Charlotte
Toronto
Atlanta
Spurs

That puts the Bulls pick at 10 as best case.

I think the odds are 70/30 the pick doesn’t convey in 2025 but those odds get better for the Spurs the next two years when it drops to top 8 protected.

Interesting to see what the Bulls do with Derozan, Vucevic, Lavine.

[stnick2261]

We just need to do the same this year to Chicago as we did to Toronto last year. If we (and Atlanta) can stay just worse than Chicago, it would go a long way to helping it convey. Picks 9, 10 & 11 wouldn't be bad (pre-lottery)

[spurraider21]

We just need to do the same this year to Chicago as we did to Toronto last year. If we (and Atlanta) can stay just worse than Chicago, it would go a long way to helping it convey. Picks 9, 10 & 11 wouldn't be bad (pre-lottery)
if the pick conveys, maybe we can flip it for some nice future picks

[Mr. Body]

Yeah, at this point it's just what year CHI conveys so we can trade it off.

[exstatic]

I wouldn’t mind if it rolled over to 2026.

[spurraider21]

I wouldn’t mind if it rolled over to 2026.
or just let it convey it in 2025 and then trade it for a 2026 pick. why risk it not conveying

[scott]

We just need to do the same this year to Chicago as we did to Toronto last year. If we (and Atlanta) can stay just worse than Chicago, it would go a long way to helping it convey. Picks 9, 10 & 11 wouldn't be bad (pre-lottery)

Fuck yeah, let's be terrible forever so we can ensure that these pick convey. Then we can trade them for even more future picks and we can suck then too to ensure those don't convey. We'll be NBA champs in no time.

[exstatic]

or just let it convey it in 2025 and then trade it for a 2026 pick. why risk it not conveying

The protections lower to 1-8 the 2nd and 3rd years, so it’s more likely to convey then.

[Darkwaters]

Will start scouting elementary school kids now.

I have an 11 year old son. I'm forwarding my scouting reports from his recess time to Brian Wright.

[Splits]

The protections lower to 1-8 the 2nd and 3rd years, so it’s more likely to convey then.

This is so encouraging. If it conveys next year or the year after, we might be able to get a 2050 SRP by BlackWrong

[exstatic]

This is so encouraging. If it conveys next year or the year after, we might be able to get a 2050 SRP by BlackWrong

It would have to be 2032 for next year, or 2033 for 2026.:toast

[Obstructed_View]

The Spurs will end up with this pick and then piss it away just to spite the Bulls.

[spursparker9]

Calling it first. Spurs get the 11th pick from Chicago and trade for future 1st round pick in 2050.

[CGD]

I wouldn’t mind if it rolled over to 2026.

Same— would give spurs 2 FRPs in each of the next 3 years. Then the swap after that.

[exstatic]

This is so encouraging. If it conveys next year or the year after, we might be able to get a 2050 SRP by BlackWrong


Calling it first. Spurs get the 11th pick from Chicago and trade for future 1st round pick in 2050.

Not even original griping. Do you people even read the threads, or just shitpost?

[Excessive Egotist]

Vuc average 18/10 last season while making a reasonable 20M. He has positive value or neutral value worst case. LaVine has roughly 135M left on his deal. Bulls will have to eat that like the Nets with Ben Simmons. We could absorb the last season of Lonzo Ball and make it the pick unprotected but Chicago says no.

The Ball idea is good. I do not not think anyone around the league would assign positive value to Vooch. He's a washed player.

[Kevin]

The Ball idea is good. I do not not think anyone around the league would assign positive value to Vooch. He's a washed player.

His counting stats and advanced stats are still solid. Not sure where you're getting the washed idea from. He's declining but still effective. His value is neutral at worst at 20M per season.

[Rubberducky]

Welp. Demar is walking :lol

[Knoxxx]

So this pick becomes less protected, 1-8 in both 26 and 27. I guess CHI could be burning it down to below that level, though.

DeRozan is good for regular season wins (only), but given he is long in tooth we hope for a net gain on his departure. Can CHI get any compensation for Demarr, a S&T or anything?

[Mr. Body]

Word is DDR has interest in Miami, who cannot yet offer more than about $5.2, so Heat would have to clear some space. Duncan Robinson, you are a Spur!

[spurraider21]

Word is DDR has interest in Miami, who cannot yet offer more than about $5.2, so Heat would have to clear some space. Duncan Robinson, you are a Spur!
or we can finally do the Herro thing

[CGD]

Word is DDR has interest in Miami, who cannot yet offer more than about $5.2, so Heat would have to clear some space. Duncan Robinson, you are a Spur!

Lol, was just thinking about this. The framework of this trade work (just saying):

MIA: DDR (~20M per via S&T)
CHI: Keldon
SAS: Robinson; Jovic

Gives the Laui-stans and cheaper facsimile in Jovic. Robinson has 2 years left, with an expiring that seems flippable next season. Obviously Spurs would still need to be enticed with some other assets too.

[Obstructed_View]

Welp. Demar is walking :lol

As long as he doesn't walk to south Texas.

[Mr. Body]

Lol, was just thinking about this. The framework of this trade work (just saying):

MIA: DDR (~20M per via S&T)
CHI: Keldon
SAS: Robinson; Jovic

Gives the Laui-stans and cheaper facsimile in Jovic. Robinson has 2 years left, with an expiring that seems flippable next season. Obviously Spurs would still need to be enticed with some other assets too.

I think the Spurs can just absorb DR, not sure how that helps with this though.

[scott]

Very concerned about this pick (and not to pat myself on the back, but I called this a year ago) but fully agree with exstatic that it would be best if this pick magically conveyed in the 9-12 range in 2026.

Have a real hard time imagining the Spurs wanting to take 3 players next year, so if this conveyed next year it would likely just force us to take a subpar return in trading it away, as teams will know that 1) we need to move it and 2) we're happy with subpar returns on picks

[Guru of Nothing]

As long as he doesn't walk to south Texas.

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[timvp]

Even if the Bulls tank, the Spurs have their second round pick -- so a selection in the early 30s isn't a bad consolation prize. In fact, best case might be get 31-33 in 2025 and then 9-12 in 2026.

Bulls ownership basically just cares about being good enough to lead the league in attendance (which they have for three straight seasons). I doubt ownership is down to totally bottom out for three years and hurt attendance. Chicago can attract players so they should be back to mediocre soon.

[scott]

Front office salivating over getting another high SRP to sell.

[timvp]

Front office salivating over getting another high SRP to sell.

I wonder how many pennies the Spurs made trading back one spot in the second round. Like $500?

[spurraider21]

Even if the Bulls tank, the Spurs have their second round pick -- so a selection in the early 30s isn't a bad consolation prize. In fact, best case might be get 31-33 in 2025 and then 9-12 in 2026.

Bulls ownership basically just cares about being good enough to lead the league in attendance (which they have for three straight seasons). I doubt ownership is down to totally bottom out for three years and hurt attendance. Chicago can attract players so they should be back to mediocre soon.
last 2 times we had picks in the 30s, we traded one to minnesota for 2 bad future seconds, and we used the other one to move back a spot and draft Nunez

[RC_Drunkford]

If DeMar DeRozan leaves, there’s quietly a growing belief around the league that Chicago could look to move center Nikola Vucevic (https://hoopshype.com/lists/nba-rumors-lauri-markkanen-trade-talks-demar-derozan-kyle-kuzma-lakers-knicks-76ers/) and lean further into a youth movement and roster retooling, league sources told HoopsHype.
– via HoopsHype (https://hoopshype.com/lists/nba-rumors-lauri-markkanen-trade-talks-demar-derozan-kyle-kuzma-lakers-knicks-76ers/)

[timvp]

What's funny is Chicago might accidentally get better during their "rebuild" because the Bulls have actually be been with lineups that don't feature DeRozan, LaVine and Vucevic. Those three just don't really impact winning any longer. Lonzo Ball is probably the most impactful player on their whole team. With Caruso gone, Coby White might be next.

[Mr. Body]

What's funny is Chicago might accidentally get better during their "rebuild" because the Bulls have actually be been with lineups that don't feature DeRozan, LaVine and Vucevic. Those three just don't really impact winning any longer. Lonzo Ball is probably the most impactful player on their whole team. With Caruso gone, Coby White might be next.

Next to be traded, or to step up?

Chicago is picking a direction, finally. Or maybe DDR leaving is forcing it. Overall a good thing for us, most probably, since we don't need the pick next year, they can tank and get someone good, and we get two more years of 1-8/1-8 protections.

[Seventyniner]

What's funny is Chicago might accidentally get better during their "rebuild" because the Bulls have actually be been with lineups that don't feature DeRozan, LaVine and Vucevic. Those three just don't really impact winning any longer. Lonzo Ball is probably the most impactful player on their whole team. With Caruso gone, Coby White might be next.

With so many terrible teams in the East, the Bulls will have a very easy schedule too, even if they are one of the terrible teams.

[MackAttack003]

This is so encouraging. If it conveys next year or the year after, we might be able to get a 2050 SRP by BlackWrong
or maybe white RC or caucasian Pop can sell it for cash.

[CGD]

What's funny is Chicago might accidentally get better during their "rebuild" because the Bulls have actually be been with lineups that don't feature DeRozan, LaVine and Vucevic. Those three just don't really impact winning any longer. Lonzo Ball is probably the most impactful player on their whole team. With Caruso gone, Coby White might be next.

And don’t count out a LaVine “prove the haters wrong” stretch.

[Rubberducky]

Bulls signed Primo to an Exhibit 10 deal. Nice pairing with Giddey :lol

[exstatic]

And don’t count out a LaVine “prove the haters wrong” stretch.

Lavine’s been done for a couple of years.

[spurraider21]

Lavine’s been done for a couple of years.
it was really just last year

in 22-23 he played 77 games and was plenty productive/efficient

[heyheymymy]

Bulls signed Primo to an Exhibit 10 deal. Nice pairing with Giddey :lol

hope he's doesn't exhibit 6 or so

[Mitch Cumsteen]

Lonzo Ball says he has brand new knee: ‘I think I’ll be ready for the first game for sure’

https://www.nbcsports.com/nba/news/lonzo-ball-says-he-has-brand-new-knee-i-think-ill-be-ready-for-the-first-game-for-sure

[lefty20]

Bulls signed Primo to an Exhibit 10 deal. Nice pairing with Giddey :lol

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[exstatic]

1841987839090950338

Gleague express lane.

[Mr. Body]

It ain't happening, Josh. You've been exposed.

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTbmDAx9z34

[cutewizard]

i want him for the Spurs

Wemby and Khaman >>>>> omgggggggggggggggggggggggggg

[cutewizard]

and here is a new kind of point forward

Egooooooooooooooooooooooooooorrrrrrrrrrrrrr

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1gSb7iT7bc

[cutewizard]

https://www.si.com/nba/draft/prospect-profiles/nba-draft-scouting-report-byu--egor-demin


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Prospect Profile


A jumbo creator, Demon has a fascinating game that projects to translate well to the NBA. His style is more smooth than it is quick or explosive, but he’s very effective playing that way. Demin’s size and fluidity are what make him pop, given at 6-foot-8 he’s the size of a wing and will play a lot as a small forward at the NBA level, but he possesses guard skills.

When catching in the mid-range, Demin is extremely crafty. He doesn’t have to use dribble moves to generate a good look — instead, he leverages great footwork and crafty ball fakes along with an ability to rise up over defenders and his shots while fading. He’s an advanced shotmaker for his age and has legitimate self-creation upside.


Again, although he’s the size of a wing, the guard skills are evident. In fact, there’s reason to believe Demin could play guard minutes at the next levels and lead an offense for long stretches. It’s still unclear what his full-time position projects to be in the NBA, but that’s okay because versatility is a good thing. The upside as a primary creator and facilitator is certainly there if it's needed wherever he lands.


Demin is still developing his 3-point shot, but is making progress. The more he’s able to knock down those looks, the more his mid-range and driving game will open up. It will also allow him to be more effective off-ball, further enhancing his versatility.

On the defensive end, Demin plays very smart and understands how to use his length as an advantage. He’s active in passing lanes and forces turnovers even when not defending his own man. He has the ability to defend up to three positions which will allow his team to run flexible schemes.


One of the best college prospects in the country ahead of the 2025 NBA Draft, Demin has nearly every tool needed to contribute as a perimeter piece at the next level. The Russian wing is the most significant BYU recruit in the program’s history and has the pleasure of learning under Kevin Young, who is a tremendous developmental coach. BYU hasn’t had a player selected in the NBA Draft since Jimmer Fredette in 2011, but that will be changing in the 2025 NBA Draft.

[cutewizard]

If we get these two next year, then we have one of the best young cores in all of basketball, and moving forward, would be wonderful >>>>>>

1) Wemby

2) Vassell

3) Sochan

4) Castle

5) Khaman

6) Egor

7) Trey

and

8) Keldon (or equivalent in trade)

9) Bonus: Mamu

[exstatic]

Chicago is kind of a tough read. They haven’t been in the top 10 picks for the past 4 drafts, showing no inclination to tank. The four drafts before that, they were in the top 10, and drafted Patrick Williams, Coby White, Wendell Carter and Lauri Markkanen. Zero stars developed by Bulls. Maybe,unlike Detroit,they’ve learned that tanking rarely pays off, and have decided to buy stars, a la Lavine and DeRozan, cycling them out if they age or are injured. Maybe they’re doing something else completely. I just know that with the quantity of teams tanking this year (~8)it will be easier to go for the play in than a tank, using the teams trying to lose to pad your wins.

[KingKev]

Chicago is kind of a tough read. They haven’t been in the top 10 picks for the past 4 drafts, showing no inclination to tank. The four drafts before that, they were in the top 10, and drafted Patrick Williams, Coby White, Wendell Carter and Lauri Markkanen. Zero stars developed by Bulls. Maybe,unlike Detroit,they’ve learned that tanking rarely pays off, and have decided to buy stars, a la Lavine and DeRozan, cycling them out if they age or are injured. Maybe they’re doing something else completely. I just know that with the quantity of teams tanking this year (~8)it will be easier to go for the play in than a tank, using the teams trying to lose to pad your wins.

Those two years of top 8 protected are good insurance. If they unload Vul and Lavine they are a bottom 10 team for sure. Ideally, and consistent with their lack of appetite stay competitive this pick probably conveys in 26 or 27 and still 9-15.

[exstatic]

Those two years of top 8 protected are good insurance. If they unload Vul and Lavine they are a bottom 10 team for sure. Ideally, and consistent with their lack of appetite stay competitive this pick probably conveys in 26 or 27 and still 9-15.

The thing is, there have been teams recently, OKC until they signed Hartenstein, and New Orleans currently that need pivot help, and CHI made no move in that direction.

[KingKev]

The thing is, there have been teams recently, OKC until they signed Hartenstein, and New Orleans currently that need pivot help, and CHI made no move in that direction.

Right now Chicago appears stubborn to attach assets to Lavine to unload him. That is the issue. As spurraider21 eluded to earlier Lavine was still an all-nba caliber his last healthy season. With him healthy I think there is a chance he gets moved early this season without giving up assets.

[spurraider21]

not to mention with the cap expected to start increasing at the max 10% level with the new media deal increasing revenue, his contract looks less and less egregious. dont get me wrong, its still bad. but if he can play at the level we're accustomed to getting from him, getting paid under 50 mil is a pretty reasonable number. the reason we've looked at his contract is abysmal has been predicated on the notion that he might be broken*

but a cap number of 43 mil this year, 45 mil next year... its not that bad if he's giving you all star offensive production with solid efficiency. over the course of the last 5 seasons, he's shot 47.5% from the field, 38.5% from 3 on good volume, 84% from the line. he's not just some low efficiency chucker


*to be fair, this is not just based on last season. for his career, his games played per season has been: 77, 82, 47, 24, 63, 60 (out of 67 that year, covid), 58, 67, 77, 23.

[KingKev]

^ he is a good locker room guy and a prolific scorer with a sweet stroke. If we were 1 piece from true contention I’d take a flier. Hell even if Chicago attached an unprotected future FRP and Vassell was out the door in a broader deal-to give Wemby a Robin on the wing I’d consider it.

[heyheymymy]

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/41831778/bulls-lonzo-ball-playing-1st-game-22-full-joy

CHICAGO -- Bulls guard Lonzo Ball said he's "full of joy" to be preparing for his first NBA game in more than two years, but he also acknowledged that he won't be the same player he was when he last took the court in January 2022. "It's not the same body I started off with," Ball said after Wednesday's shootaround. "But I think I can still be productive and effective on the court. That's why I'm still trying to play." Ball will be restricted to no more than 16 minutes in Wednesday night's [Oct. 16 2024] preseason game against the Minnesota Timberwolves.

He last played in a game for Chicago on Jan. 14, 2022. Since then, he's undergone three arthroscopic procedures on his left knee, including a rare double cartilage transplant in March 2023.

[rjv]

you know it's bad when even the player admits he's not the same anymore.

[heyheymymy]

"rare double cartilage transplant" just sounds like an abomination of modern medicine

https://petewarden.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/image.png

[rjv]

Lonzo is the NBA's version of the Ship of Theseus.

[LeBowen]

Lonzo's knee after first full speed change of direction:

https://media.tenor.com/8g2jvYSJWRoAAAAM/turkey-leg-meat.gif

[heyheymymy]

"That's why I'm still trying to play."

This feels like another really questionable thing to say and an indicator of where expectations should be realistically

Also LOL Lebowen I just puked

[CGD]

Lonzo's knee after first full speed change of direction:

https://media.tenor.com/8g2jvYSJWRoAAAAM/turkey-leg-meat.gif

Nah, that’s Kawhi’s knee.

[buttsR4rebounding]

Lonzo's knee after first full speed change of direction:

https://media.tenor.com/8g2jvYSJWRoAAAAM/turkey-leg-meat.gif

Why do I think of Josh Primo?

[ismael-robert]

Good question, why do u...???

[spurraider21]

Brandon Miller has been on a tear

[KingKev]

Brandon Miller has been on a tear

That archetype is what Wemby needs

[CGD]

That archetype is what Wemby needs

Indeed. For this reason, Im hoping Jarabi Smith gets disgruntled in Houston and asks out soon. Would be a perfect fit at the 4.

[Seventyniner]

Indeed. For this reason, Im hoping Jarabi Smith gets disgruntled in Houston and asks out soon. Would be a perfect fit at the 4.

Supposedly the Rockets have refused to offer max extensions to Green and Sengun. If they do the same to Jabari he might have a tiny chance of playing through the QO and hitting UFA. That, or him demanding a trade, are about the only ways the Spurs could get him imo.

[CGD]

Supposedly the Rockets have refused to offer max extensions to Green and Sengun. If they do the same to Jabari he might have a tiny chance of playing through the QO and hitting UFA. That, or him demanding a trade, are about the only ways the Spurs could get him imo.

Yeah, I’m thinking more in a year or two when they have to make a decision on his contract.

More likely though is Houston packages him with a few other young guns for a star. Like, if Boston’s financial situation is as bad as people say, would they move Jalen Brown next season for a bunch of Houston’s young guys?

[BacktoBasics]

Brandon Miller has been on a tear

So many members here saying he was gonna be dogshit. He’s gonna have a nice career.

[spurraider21]

So many members here saying he was gonna be dogshit. He’s gonna have a nice career.
I thought his offensive game was more limited than this. I think i liked him at 3 behind scoot

[Mr. Body]

Brandon Miller:

1. Has questionable real-life decision making skills the size of a smoking gunshot wound. I cannot express how horrifically stupid it is to bring someone's gun to them in the middle of the night in an area with nightclubs at their request. Who does this?

2. Had one of the worst NCAA tournaments I remember any top prospect having. He was astoundingly bad. Maybe his stupidity (#1) that lead to a young mother getting shot and killed was getting to him, but seriously check out his performance in real games.

[exstatic]

I thought his offensive game was more limited than this. I think i liked him at 3 behind scoot

Turns out in hindsight, Scoot was probably drafted 5-10 spots too high.

[BacktoBasics]

Brandon Miller:

1. Has questionable real-life decision making skills the size of a smoking gunshot wound. I cannot express how horrifically stupid it is to bring someone's gun to them in the middle of the night in an area with nightclubs at their request. Who does this?

2. Had one of the worst NCAA tournaments I remember any top prospect having. He was astoundingly bad. Maybe his stupidity (#1) that lead to a young mother getting shot and killed was getting to him, but seriously check out his performance in real games.

As far as I can tell he made one bad decision. A decision a lot of gun owners would make without thinking twice. In context it was bad but in practice it was perfectly legal. While others lied about what happened his testimony corroborated what the police found a he cooperated fully. Have not heard of any issues prior or after that. Hopefully he learned to choose better friends.

I agree he had a bad tourney but he was playing amid death threats and media attention that was looking to tear him down to nothing. Had to of been a really tough time and extremely difficult to cope let alone play at a high level.

[Mugen]

Sniff Crew shitting on Brandon Miller when their beloved FO was literally ready to hand the keys over to a sexual deviant :lol

[KingKev]

Sniff Crew shitting on Brandon Miller when their beloved FO was literally ready to hand the keys over to a sexual deviant :lol

haha frfr that was never a knock on his character from my end.

[Atl Spur]

haha frfr that was never a knock on his character from my end.

Great thing FO got us Wemby and castle. A mistake was made and rectified… on to the next

[timtonymanu]

Sniff Crew shitting on Brandon Miller when their beloved FO was literally ready to hand the keys over to a sexual deviant :lol

It’s only one moron who hates on non Spurs but creams himself over our scrubs like Primo and Branham

[CGD]

Beat the Bucks in Milwaukee today

[KingKev]

haha frfr that was never a knock on his character from my end.

Nah hand me the bitch. B Miller is a real one.

[TXstbobcat]

Bulls take down the Grizzlies tonight

[Leetonidas]

12th pick right now

[Mr. Body]

After a decent start to the season, Chicago has looked kinda trash. The shine of getting Lavine back wore off and Ball inevitably went down. It's a team without a lot of talent.

[exstatic]

After a decent start to the season, Chicago has looked kinda trash. The shine of getting Lavine back wore off and Ball inevitably went down. It's a team without a lot of talent.

…in a conference loaded with shitty teams.

[spurraider21]

lock this one up