Shooting Be Damned: Spurs Add Juan Nunez, Harrison Ingram

[timvp]

https://www.spurstalk.com/juan-nunez-harrison-ingram-spurs-draft/

How many got damn non-shooters this front office gonna surround Victor Wembanyama with :pctoss

[Seventyniner]

At least we know where all the bricks to build the new stadium are coming from. That kind of savings doesn't count against the cap.

Link goes to the forum list btw.

[Chinook]

Ingram looked much better. But yes, the Spurs' fascination with buttershots is annoying and predates Wright being the GM.

[Russ]

Don't worry, these guys likely have no future with the Spurs.

[spurraider21]

this is the link OP meant to post

https://www.spurstalk.com/juan-nunez-harrison-ingram-spurs-draft/

[timvp]

this is the link OP meant to post

https://www.spurstalk.com/juan-nunez-harrison-ingram-spurs-draft/

Oops, sorry, yeah.

That Nunez pick has me on tilt. I want to like him and the passing highlights are fun but how are you going to draft the worst PG athlete ever who can't even shoot free throws. The hell.

I'm just going to pretend that second round didn't happen, tbh.

[DPG21920]

Im just more annoyed that they aren’t getting more creative with their 2nds. Non-shooters? Ok, I kind of get if you think the guys have nba quality period. But we are seeing some decent players had for 2nds so why not take a swing on something like that with some of these especially when you have 5-6 guys that can easily be replaced if they faced competition?

[Degoat]

Will we be getting a free agency article soon Timvp?

[DPG21920]

Oops, sorry, yeah.

That Nunez pick has me on tilt. I want to like him and the passing highlights are fun but how are you going to draft the worst PG athlete ever who can't even shoot free throws. The hell.

I'm just going to pretend that second round didn't happen, tbh.

Pretty similar to round 1 tbh…

[Mr. Body]

My guess is the Spurs FO is prioritizing multi-use players who can process the floor at high and quick levels. For example, a Furphy only got 1.0 assists a game and it's not clear he can be a great connector on the perimeter or on the move.

Developing these players into shooters is another thing. But they appear to want those high-level processing types. Castle absolutely should be.

That's my guess.

That said, Nunez may have attracted them more as a stash and possible trade piece. Not having to pay new players / use roster spots seems to be key to them.

Ingram is just a mild swing at that kind of player. I doubt anyone cares that much.

[timvp]

Pretty similar to round 1 tbh…

I like Castle. Especially with the assumption that the Spurs will surround him with shooters. But picking now 4 non-shooters in a row after Wemby is pretty damn frustrating.

[Mr. Body]

Im just more annoyed that they aren’t getting more creative with their 2nds. Non-shooters? Ok, I kind of get if you think the guys have nba quality period. But we are seeing some decent players had for 2nds so why not take a swing on something like that with some of these especially when you have 5-6 guys that can easily be replaced if they faced competition?

I don't know why you bother with Harrison Ingram when you have Cam Spencer or Tristan Newton available. Just on synergy alone with Castle, and they have the same background in multi-use abilities and high processing, plus are able to shoot.

[spurraider21]

Oops, sorry, yeah.

That Nunez pick has me on tilt. I want to like him and the passing highlights are fun but how are you going to draft the worst PG athlete ever who can't even shoot free throws. The hell.

I'm just going to pretend that second round didn't happen, tbh.
I dont really mind the Ingram pick at 48. thats fine.

i'm baffled that they took a non-shooting point guard after taking a non-shooting "point guard" #4 overall. and a good shooting wing in Furphy was there for the taking

[DPG21920]

And to add on - my biggest “problem” with this draft overall: Spurs have so many holes, both from an attribute perspective (3PT shooting and defense) and also just meh talent and to have 4 picks and literally not address either of those things outside of Castle when you have 2 top 8 picks and one of the best 2nd round picks you can have?

I don’t understand with how this team is built that you can walk away with no shooting and more questions than answers than before the draft. Now everything for most part is on trades and free agency this year. Thats not a problem necessarily as Im putting faith that they have a plan to add another 2+ players to this team to help with these issues and challenge some of the make or break guys for minutes to earn, but man….

[DPG21920]

I like Castle. Especially with the assumption that the Spurs will surround him with shooters. But picking now 4 non-shooters in a row after Wemby is pretty damn frustrating.

Ya - me too. I like Castle plenty I was just sort of saying that between him being a non-shooter and trading 8 for future picks you are left with literally the same problems in theory as the 2nd round issues but with at least more upside to soothe you in Castle.

[timtonymanu]

Can't hurt Brickham and Wesley feelings. Signing players that can actually shoot means taking them out of the rotation. We don't do that kind of thing here.

[objective]

I think it's notable that everyone at the euro camp had terrible results. I think it's likely that euro players aren't used to the tests or don't train for them or take them seriously

Nunez is slow on paper but when I watched him he didn't look terminally slow. To draw a comparison, I think he's better and faster with the ball getting where he wants to go than Josh Primo

[rankingtear]

My guess is the Spurs FO is prioritizing multi-use players who can process the floor at high and quick levels. For example, a Furphy only got 1.0 assists a game and it's not clear he can be a great connector on the perimeter or on the move.

Developing these players into shooters is another thing. But they appear to want those high-level processing types. Castle absolutely should be.

That's my guess.

That said, Nunez may have attracted them more as a stash and possible trade piece. Not having to pay new players / use roster spots seems to be key to them.

Ingram is just a mild swing at that kind of player. I doubt anyone cares that much.

Yeah, the first time I heard about the Wonderlic IQ test being one of the reason Knecht and Kolek dropped.

[Spurs9]

And to add on - my biggest “problem” with this draft overall: Spurs have so many holes, both from an attribute perspective (3PT shooting and defense) and also just meh talent and to have 4 picks and literally not address either of those things outside of Castle when you have 2 top 8 picks and one of the best 2nd round picks you can have?

I don’t understand with how this team is built that you can walk away with no shooting and more questions than answers than before the draft. Now everything for most part is on trades and free agency this year. Thats not a problem necessarily as Im putting faith that they have a plan to add another 2+ players to this team to help with these issues and challenge some of the make or break guys for minutes to earn, but man….
At least we got 2031 picks /s

[Russ]

Oops, sorry, yeah.

I'm just going to pretend that second round didn't happen, tbh.

You can go ahead and pretend that for last year, too.

[Russ]

I like Castle. Especially with the assumption that the Spurs will surround him with shooters. But picking now 4 non-shooters in a row after Wemby is pretty damn frustrating.

It's a shame they couldn't trade up and get that Furphy guy.

[timvp]

It's a shame they couldn't trade up and get that Furphy guy.

No way a top 5 analytics guy was available at 35. Stop sniffing.

[Chinook]

The Spurs will balance it out by signing a bad-D shooter and forcing him to get minutes. The Spurs draft two good shooters to go with two good defenders. They just traded the shooters away.

[Russ]

No way a top 5 analytics guy was available at 35. Stop sniffing.

Look at the bright side.

At #35 they avoided picking (in addition to Furphy)

Bobi Klintman
Ajay Mitchell
Nikola Djurisic

And at #48 they avoided

Melvin Ajinca
Ulrich Chomche

Take pleasure in small favors.

[dbestpro]

Wright just aint right.

[scott]

Did someone say shooting?

https://i.postimg.cc/63Mr5CWn/doug-patty.png

[Strategic]

I just can’t see them not picking up a veteran shooting wing. Surely to got.

[Mugen]

Im sure they'll pick up a shooter in Free Agency that gives them absolutely nothing on the defensive end tbh.

[poopbox]

I like Castle. Especially with the assumption that the Spurs will surround him with shooters. But picking now 4 non-shooters in a row after Wemby is pretty damn frustrating.

When the spurs had the ability to draft someone they drafted players who can't shoot but when they have to go into free agency to compete with other teams for players they are going to sign or trade for players who can shoot :lol

[heyheymymy]

Pretty similar to round 1 tbh…

I personally am beyond thrilled with Castle and I don't see what's forgettable about that imho

[heyheymymy]

Yeah, the first time I heard about the Wonderlic IQ test being one of the reason Knecht and Kolek dropped.

Man some weird drama about why Kolek dropped (he can't read) or why Flip dropped wtf is going on lol

[heyheymymy]

Did someone say shooting?

https://i.postimg.cc/63Mr5CWn/doug-patty.png

https://ih1.redbubble.net/image.1105383861.0803/raf,360x360,075,t,fafafa:ca443f4786.jpg

[cd98]

With this roster, Wemby will lead the league in offensive rebounds.

[skin27]

Ingram can shoot

[Obstructed_View]

The worst part is that when the Spurs give up 155 points the coach says "We didn't make shots" then he passes up players who do. I know we missed out on the best shooter in the draft, but the second and third best shooters were available at 8 iirc.

[Obstructed_View]

Ingram can shoot
And he brought up the ball at Stanford, from what I heard. I'm unsure why he fell so far if that's the case.

[DPG21920]

I personally am beyond thrilled with Castle and I don't see what's forgettable about that imho

Just based on expectations + still not addressing shooting just like in the 2nd round.

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1TwN63F9F8

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kz6xgiVbw9Q

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwPMBvGB5TE

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6B2Me2y86Q

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6B2Me2y86Q

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hf0TiVfkh88

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LektEdmz1wM

[heyheymymy]

Just based on expectations + still not addressing shooting just like in the 2nd round.

Agreed. Thought shooting would get addressed in the draft as well and surprised to see it not. Makes me wonder if additional moves are coming but I thought that when we didn't have a PG last year and then nope, we just really rolled with Jones, Point Sochan and Wesley (Graham) lol

Castle is is getting lost in the other moves of the day and that's a shame because it was a shitshow yet the Spurs probably came away with a really nice piece in Castle that would've been widely celebrated otherwise

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXtj4TkTvS4

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwPMBvGB5TE&t=2s

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nI2f4igRVOg

[offset formation]

And he brought up the ball at Stanford, from what I heard. I'm unsure why he fell so far if that's the case.

First thing that jumped out to me about him and I posted it right after he was drafted is that he looks slow as molasses. I knew nothing about his game before he was drafted but that was my first assessment. Evidently he's got some positives but if you're looking for an answer I'd start with his foot speed

[Robz4000]

Had no problems with trading 8 for what they got, but trading 35 for cash when Furphy was there for the taking was unforgivable imo.

[Obstructed_View]

First thing that jumped out to me about him and I posted it right after he was drafted is that he looks slow as molasses. I knew nothing about his game before he was drafted but that was my first assessment. Evidently he's got some positives but if you're looking for an answer I'd start with his foot speed
Lol yeah, that'll do it. :lol

[onechance87]

Had no problems with trading 8 for what they got, but trading 35 for cash when Furphy was there for the taking was unforgivable imo.

it will be for sure be unforgivable if furphy turns into a good role player,While nunez and ingram are trash and get let go.
Heads need to roll in that case.

[Bruno]

Adding some shooting in the first round wasn't an easy task for Spurs in this draft. Between pick #4 and #15, Dillingham is the only good shooter who was picked. There were good shooters (McCain, Knecht, Da Silva) later in the first round but Spurs might have viewed them as too much of a reach at #8.

I trully don't get why Spurs didn't go with Furphy. He was really good value at #35 and he clearly fits Spurs need.

For Nunez, the key question is what Spurs really want to do with him? Stash him or sign him?
If Spurs want to stash him, it doesn't really matter how he will fit with Castle, Sochan... These players might be gone when he will sign with Spurs and/or his draft rights might be use in a trade.
If Spurs want to sign him, I guess the idea would be to develop Castle as starting PG and Nunez as his backup.

[onechance87]

Adding some shooting in the first round wasn't an easy task for Spurs in this draft. Between pick #4 and #15, Dillingham is the only good shooter who was picked. There were good shooters (McCain, Knecht, Da Silva) later in the first round but Spurs might have viewed them as too much of a reach at #8.

I trully don't get why Spurs didn't go with Furphy. He was really good value at #35 and he clearly fits Spurs need.

For Nunez, the key question is what Spurs really want to do with him? Stash him or sign him?
If Spurs want to stash him, it doesn't really matter how he will fit with Castle, Sochan... These players might be gone when he will sign with Spurs and/or his draft rights might be use in a trade.
If Spurs want to sign him, I guess the idea would be to develop Castle as starting PG and Nunez as his backup.

i dont understand it either.Furphy is guy who shot good and could finish at the rim.Good rebounder and decent defender.
He is still young as well,So got the potential to learn more and get stronger.Good size at 6,8 as well.I will be followng
closely to see how he develops.

[Bruno]

Regarding Harrison Ingram, it's hard to know what options were on the table for Spurs.

NBA teams can't force draft picks to sign two-way contracts. Around the middle of the second round, agents gain some control of the draft because they can tell teams "my client won't sign a two-way contract with you". Spurs might have liked some players more than Ingram but these players weren't fine with signing a two-way with Spurs.

[T Park]

Didn’t Ingram shoot 38% from 3 last year….?

[RC_Drunkford]

Didn’t Ingram shoot 38% from 3 last year….?

yeah I don't get why we're talking about him as a non-shooter :lol He does not have a midrange though

[Teamduncan21]

At least we know where all the bricks to build the new stadium are coming from. That kind of savings doesn't count against the cap.

Link goes to the forum list btw.

Building a castle

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Not a fan of the way the 2nd round unfolded. I don’t see Nunez as an NBA player, he’s painfully unathletic. He’s the exact type of player who’ll have a good career in Europe but lacks some of the minimum required qualities to be in the league. I can see his rights being traded in 2029 as part of a minor deal. Or something.

Ingram is an undersized big. We’ve seen similar players try to make it and fail. Doubt he’s the exception. He’ll play in Austin though.

[Raven]

if we want a zero D shooter, we already have cedi.

[Raven]

Not a fan of the way the 2nd round unfolded. I don’t see Nunez as an NBA player, he’s painfully unathletic. He’s the exact type of player who’ll have a good career in Europe but lacks some of the minimum required qualities to be in the league. I can see his rights being traded in 2029 as part of a minor deal. Or something.

Ingram is an undersized big. We’ve seen similar players try to make it and fail. Doubt he’s the exception. He’ll play in Austin though.

ingram has great size to wingspan ratio, maybe he can become a sf.

[Obstructed_View]

Didn’t Ingram shoot 38% from 3 last year….?

I read a little bit on that, and more than one UNC fan didn't trust his three point shooting because it only happened the one season and his free throw percentage was bad throughout. Statistically the difference amounted to less than 13 made threes over the entire season, which could be a fluke. I guess we're gonna find out soon enough.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

ingram has great size to wingspan ratio, maybe he can become a sf.

I’ve not watched that much of him so I can’t have that strong of an opinion but I don’t think he can move his feet nearly quick enough to be able to survive on the perimeter. His shot is very suspect as well.

[Obstructed_View]

Not a fan of the way the 2nd round unfolded. I don’t see Nunez as an NBA player, he’s painfully unathletic. He’s the exact type of player who’ll have a good career in Europe but lacks some of the minimum required qualities to be in the league. I can see his rights being traded in 2029 as part of a minor deal. Or something.

Ingram is an undersized big. We’ve seen similar players try to make it and fail. Doubt he’s the exception. He’ll play in Austin though.
Nunez is not Manu. He is Nando De Colo. I hope he proves me wrong.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Nunez is not Manu. He is Nando De Colo. I hope he proves me wrong.

Really don’t think he’s as good as De Colo, who is a great euroleague player.

[Raven]

I’ve not watched that much of him so I can’t have that strong of an opinion but I don’t think he can move his feet nearly quick enough to be able to survive on the perimeter. His shot is very suspect as well.

yeah everywhere they say he's slow, but is that considered as a ball handler? Because nobody should consider him as a playmaker, only as a 3-d kind of guy, and with that wingspan IF he is smart enough, he can absolutely live rent free in many shooters head.

[Raven]

In fact, looking at the duel HI vs Ron Holland and Matas Buzelis, i'm not sure why would anyone pick those two ahead of HI. I certainly wouldn't.

[widowmaker]

Oops, sorry, yeah.

That Nunez pick has me on tilt. I want to like him and the passing highlights are fun but how are you going to draft the worst PG athlete ever who can't even shoot free throws. The hell.

I'm just going to pretend that second round didn't happen, tbh.



I f we are allowed to pretend im going to pretend the dillingham trade didn’t happen.

[rascal]

Cam Spencer would have been nice for an off the bench shooter.

Nunez? An unathletic non shooting pg who isn't ever going to come over and play in the NBA is a punt of a draft pick.

[Obstructed_View]

Really don’t think he’s as good as De Colo, who is a great euroleague player.
Agree. De Colo was built for Europe, because he was a dumpster fire as an NBA player. Nunez doesn't seem to have a translatable skill.

[Dex]

I f we are allowed to pretend im going to pretend the dillingham trade didn’t happen.

First round picks are great and all, but we literally traded away the only shooter we drafted for a chance at a better pick than #8 in six/seven years.

I know everyone is saying THIS WAS A WEAK DRAFT, but nobody knows what those drafts will look like because all of those players are still kids playing fucking Minecraft right now

[widowmaker]

First round picks are great and all, but we literally traded away the only shooter we drafted for a chance at a better pick than #8 in six/seven years.


Yep I wasn’t high on dillingham but since they picked him they should have given him a chance. How much worse can he be compared to the rest of the roster?

[MarCowMar]

The Spurs not prioritizing shooting tells us they don't believe the team is ready to go into win-now mode, and that the 2025 tank is on.

Shooting is the perfect characteristic to de-prioritize because it forces all the players to work on it while developing, and it severely limits regular season wins.

Contrast this with a team with great shooters but no defense/rebounding/ball movement. They would rack up a bunch of flukey regular season wins and get exposed in the playoffs.

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Or if one wants a hopeful spin on it: maybe shooting will be addressed through free agency or trades and we'll still go into win-now mode.

[T Park]

yeah I don't get why we're talking about him as a non-shooter :lol He does not have a midrange though


Yeah he’s a 3 and D guy that’s 6’7.

Prob a low ceiling but a smart dude who can shoot

[T Park]

I read a little bit on that, and more than one UNC fan didn't trust his three point shooting because it only happened the one season and his free throw percentage was bad throughout. Statistically the difference amounted to less than 13 made threes over the entire season, which could be a fluke. I guess we're gonna find out soon enough.

A few game stretch is a fluke, N entire season?


His no ceilings interview where he breaks down film shows otherwise but whatever.

[onechance87]

A few game stretch is a fluke, N entire season?


His no ceilings interview where he breaks down film shows otherwise but whatever.

branham shot over 40 percent in 3s in college in a entire season....Hasint came close to that so far in the nba.

[Dex]

The Spurs not prioritizing shooting tells us they don't believe the team is ready to go into win-now mode, and that the 2025 tank is on.

Shooting is the perfect characteristic to de-prioritize because it forces all the players to work on it while developing, and it severely limits regular season wins.

Contrast this with a team with great shooters but no defense/rebounding/ball movement. They would rack up a bunch of flukey regular season wins and get exposed in the playoffs.

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Or if one wants a hopeful spin on it: maybe shooting will be addressed through free agency or trades and we'll still go into win-now mode.

Pop come training camp:

"Okay Victor, we're gonna keep you spotted up in the corners so you can work on your threes, and Nunez is going to be the starting center."

[Obstructed_View]

A few game stretch is a fluke, N entire season?


His no ceilings interview where he breaks down film shows otherwise but whatever.
I'm sorry. I thought you asked the question, and assumed it meant you wanted to discuss it. Should have known you just wanted to argue and not listen. I don't know why you bother to post. Just speak into the mirror, bro.

[Knoxxx]

Nunez does not finish with layups but with dunks. That is not a downgrade in athleticism at PG compared to Tre. I get it, he is not twitchy and/or lacks foot speed, therefore I am wrong. EXCEPT, the play here is parking Nunez and then see what it would take to reup Tre. The reality is Nunez could be a fine and much cheaper backup PG on a perfect timeline for us.

As far as Harrison, he shoots 39% from 3PT. Otherwise he probably barely shoots, so that is what we are most concerned with to start. 9 RPG from a wing is HUGE in college. When you consider that Branham and Cissoko are his competition for minutes, I don't mind this pick at all and in fact had him on my radar given his size, 3 PT%, and RPG. Too many times, we were outrebounded.

[Mal]

Forget about this guy, he is not NBA caliber