MAJOR TRADE COMING?

[Dejounte]

BRACE YOURSELVES

[Leetonidas]

As much as I'd like to think they're gonna make a move, we all know they aren't going to do anything but add some journeyman role player in FA and call it a day. We'll have virtually the same team next season

[ChumpDumper]

Well sure -- but not for the Spurs. A smaller trade seems more likely.

[NASpurs]

Keldon seems like the odd man out or at least he probably hears the footsteps behind him.

[Sugus]

I do think the landscape is shaping up to a trade, but I wouldn't get excited about major moves just yet.

Especially about Trae, fuck that noise...

[RC_Drunkford]

yea something like Graham and filler for Lonzo Ball and a 2045 pick :lol

[sfernald]

Extending grahams deadline date, refusing to take Dillingham and the Hawks trading DJ all point to one thing guys, the trade for Trae is coming soon!

sorry guys but that is what I would bet on based on these facts.

[exstatic]

Extending grahams deadline date, refusing to take Dillingham and the Hawks trading DJ all point to one thing guys, the trade for Trae is coming soon!

sorry guys but that is what I would bet on based on these facts.

Sig bet?

[DPG21920]

90% certain theres no major trade. Spurs, based on everything they have done appear to be pushing chips to 25’ and beyond. Would be quite a big surprise if Spurs made a major move. My guess is small free agency vet(s) and/or small trade

Wouldn’t be surprised to see them still take on a “Bad” deal for assets if the player helps the team (a la THJ to DET).

Only big trade I can see would be Keldon being moved but even then I dont think it would be a “big” trade where SA gets a superstar back and sends out a bunch of picks etc…Maybe Keldon + CHA pick for Cam Johnson type of move on the “big” side of the scale.

[poopbox]

Extending grahams deadline date, refusing to take Dillingham and the Hawks trading DJ all point to one thing guys, the trade for Trae is coming soon!

sorry guys but that is what I would bet on based on these facts.

No way the hawks take risacher if they were trading trae. They would have probably taken somebody who has some hope of being a franchise player like Sarr

[poopbox]

I think I have seen something about every single team in FA so far except the spurs, as usual :lol

[Seventyniner]

I'm trying to think of a third team that could get involved in a Spurs/Hawks deal.

The idea would be that the third team sends out the assets for Young that they would in a two-team deal with the Hawks, but instead those assets go to the Spurs with the Hawks getting their 2025/2026/2027 draft control back plus salary filler.

A very rough draft might be:

Hawks send Young
Hawks receive their own 2025 and 2027 picks, undo the 2026 swap, Russell, Zollins
Spurs send ATL 2025/2027, undo 2026 swap, Zollins, Graham
Spurs receive LAL 2027 protected 1-4, 2029/2031 unprotected, Reaves, Hachimura
Lakers send 2027 protected 1-4, 2029/2031 unprotected, Russell, Reaves, Hachimura
Lakers receive Young, Graham

I'm not saying this is a good deal for everyone, just that it illustrates the framework.

[exstatic]

I'm trying to think of a third team that could get involved in a Spurs/Hawks deal.

The idea would be that the third team sends out the assets for Young that they would in a two-team deal with the Hawks, but instead those assets go to the Spurs with the Hawks getting their 2025/2026/2027 draft control back plus salary filler.

A very rough draft might be:

Hawks send Young
Hawks receive their own 2025 and 2027 picks, undo the 2026 swap, Russell, Zollins
Spurs send ATL 2025/2027, undo 2026 swap, Zollins, Graham
Spurs receive LAL 2027 protected 1-4, 2029/2031 unprotected, Reaves, Hachimura
Lakers send 2027 protected 1-4, 2029/2031 unprotected, Russell, Reaves, Hachimura
Lakers receive Young, Graham

I'm not saying this is a good deal for everyone, just that it illustrates the framework.

That’s a terrible, terrible SA return for the Hawks picks. Go stand in the corner for half an hour.

[playblair]

BRACE YOURSELVES
was there a deleted tweet in ur op..........why is ur op so long for 2 words........

[sfernald]

No way the hawks take risacher if they were trading trae. They would have probably taken somebody who has some hope of being a franchise player like Sarr


I think maybe they are including Zack in the trade to make sure they get all their picks back based on what they got for DJ. It’s expected that Trai is worth less than DJ who got 2 picks. So to get all their picks back they will have to throw in Zack too.

[spurraider21]

Sig bet?
We’ve already got one pending. Have to look back to see if it was sig/avi or both

[R. DeMurre]

I hope so, but my fear is Brian Wright is so inherently conservative and averse to making a mistake-- any mistake, no matter how small-- that he doesn't find an opportunity to be aggressive and pull it off. I hope I'm wrong.

[Degoat]

Call me crazy…. But I have noticed most of the current spurs have followed Stephon Castle on Instagram, Keldon has not (Windhorst gif lol)

Probably nothing, but Keldon has always kind of taken on that leadership role welcoming guys to SA so it’s weird he hasn’t.

[sfernald]

I think maybe they are including Zack in the trade to make sure they get all their picks back based on what they got for DJ. It’s expected that Trai is worth less than DJ who got 2 picks. So to get all their picks back they will have to throw in Zack too.

so something like this:
https://i.postimg.cc/RCJr7gZb/IMG-7110.jpg

[rascal]

That’s a terrible, terrible SA return for the Hawks picks. Go stand in the corner for half an hour.

2025 is around the corner and that draft is stacked. Spurs could be losing out on their #2 star by sending that pick out.

[exstatic]

I hope so, but my fear is Brian Wright is so inherently conservative and averse to making a mistake-- any mistake, no matter how small-- that he doesn't find an opportunity to be aggressive and pull it off. I hope I'm wrong.

Going all in on Trae won’t be a small mistake, it would be a catastrophic one.

[z0sa]

No way the hawks take risacher if they were trading trae. They would have probably taken somebody who has some hope of being a franchise player like Sarr

Perhaps they don’t want more locker room negativity after the Trae/DJM debacle. Drafting someone who basically refused to even workout for you could increase or create new tensions after they just made a trade to alleviate them. Their FO does look a bit like they’re in fire sale mode

[The Truth #6]

I don't think anything at all points to a big trade for the Spurs, as much as I would be intrigued by some activity. To quote our general manager, " I don't know about all that!"

[R. DeMurre]

Going all in on Trae won’t be a small mistake, it would be a catastrophic one.

Oh, I wasn't referring to Trae at all. I'm no fan of Trae.

[sfernald]

2025 is around the corner and that draft is stacked. Spurs could be losing out on their #2 star by sending that pick out.

Wembys timeline is yesterday. No more teenagers after this year, just vets!

Trae/Castle/Risacher/Sohan/Wemby is at least a play in team!

Wemby and Castle can cover for Trae’s lack of defense and Risacher can cover for Sohan’s lack of shooting.

[scott]

That’s a terrible, terrible SA return for the Hawks picks. Go stand in the corner for half an hour.

I agree this is a terrible return... but it's a better return than what PAFTO just accepted for the #8 pick. Definitely wouldn't put this past them.

[scott]

How do we define Major?

I see a deal on the horizon with the same seismic weight as our previous JR Reed and Antoine Carr deals.

[Chinook]

The Spurs are very close to the salary they'd need for a Chris Paul trade. Like for example, Graham and Bassey for Paul should work if my understanding of the CBA is correct. Say what you want about big PGs, but we know the Spurs have long had a love affair for Paul, even since they've been on this kick. Graham's and Bassey's guaranteed amounts doesn't matter in such a trade, since their whole salaries already factor into the cap. But I imagine the Warriors would want to avoid his guarantee date if they could.

[sfernald]

The Spurs are very close to the salary they'd need for a Chris Paul trade. Like for example, Graham and Bassey for Paul should work if my understanding of the CBA is correct. Say what you want about big PGs, but we know the Spurs have long had a love affair for Paul, even since they've been on this kick.

My gut is saying that GS is cutting him so just sign him to a short farewell contract after that.

[slick'81]

I mean spurs have to use those picks for something right:cry

[CitizenDwayne]

I’m leaning about 75% toward no.

Would be an unprecedented trade for this franchise, landing a star in their prime.

I still don’t get passing on Dilly but being willing to pay Trae all that. They share the same weaknesses (defense/size) and PATFO has always prioritized developing guys

Plus the ATL 2025 could land us Flagg or Bailey…would you rather pair a guy like that w/ Vic?

[KobesAchilles]

Dilly for a future 23rd pick is enough trades for one offseason.

[sfernald]

I’m leaning about 75% toward no.

Would be an unprecedented trade for this franchise, landing a star in their prime.

I still don’t get passing on Dilly but being willing to pay Trae all that. They share the same weaknesses (defense/size) and PATFO has always prioritized developing guys

Plus the ATL 2025 could land us Flagg or Bailey…would you rather pair a guy like that w/ Vic?

The Dilly thing makes sense if you think it was because they were PLANNING on getting Trae all along so didn’t need Dilly.

[z0sa]

Define major. It might be "major" involving a 3rd team or something, but we'll likely just be getting picks for our warchest and running it back while Pop discusses how important adding wins this season has been for the FO's thought processes.

[Chinook]

My gut is saying that GS is cutting him so just sign him to a short farewell contract after that.

They also agreed to alter his guarantee date. So I don't think that's their plan. They might be trying to rope him into a Paul George trade as rumored. I'm sure if that's the case, they'd prefer to sell LAC on them taking back non-guaranteed salary from SA rather than having to guarantee Paul's salary. Something like

LAC: George for Wiggins, Graham and Bassey
GS: Paul and Wiggins for George
SA: Graham and Bassey for Paul

I'm pretty sure that's legal even with the new apron rules.

[exstatic]

I’m leaning about 75% toward no.

Would be an unprecedented trade for this franchise, landing a star in their prime.

I still don’t get passing on Dilly but being willing to pay Trae all that. They share the same weaknesses (defense/size) and PATFO has always prioritized developing guys

Plus the ATL 2025 could land us Flagg or Bailey…would you rather pair a guy like that w/ Vic?

There’s like half a dozen guys in the 25 draft that would have been #1 in this draft. We don’t even have to win, just jump into the top 4.

[Dejounte]

So far we have 7 people voting YES and 4 people voting yes. This is turning out to be a close race.

[sfernald]

Dilly for a future 23rd pick is enough trades for one offseason.

You really think that’s gonna be a bad pick?

First of all. It’s Minnesota, they always fuck up eventually.

Their great GM will be picked off by a billionaire like Ballmer eventually.

Ant will be finished with his contract and 28 years old in 2029. No doubt if he hasn’t got a championship he is moving to greener grounds like the lakers.

By 2030 for sure Conley, Towns and Gobert will be gone, completely suck or retired.

They are as empty of picks as any team in the league at this point.

Theres no such thing as a sure thing, but they are a GREAT BET!

[scott]

You really think that’s gonna be a bad pick?

First of all. It’s Minnesota, they always fuck up eventually.

Their great GM will be picked off by a billionaire like Ballmer eventually.

Ant will be finished with his contract and 28 years old in 2029. No doubt if he hasn’t got a championship he is moving to greener grounds like the lakers.

By 2030 for sure Conley, Towns and Gobert will be gone, completely suck or retired.

They are as empty of picks as any team in the league at this point.

Theres no such thing as a sure thing, but they are a GREAT BET!

If the stars align, maybe we'll get the #8 pick!

[Seventyniner]

That’s a terrible, terrible SA return for the Hawks picks. Go stand in the corner for half an hour.

Read the last sentence, good lord.

[Mr. Body]

Doubt.

If anything, a vet on a nearly ending contract or a cheap one. Don't seem to be quite done evaluating and thinking through what they need and are still the "no expensive mistakes" era. Much of the roster is still uncertain. I figure they'll do one more round of absorbing salary if anything.

[Guru of Nothing]

I hope not unless it's Cade Cunningham on a sane deal.

[baseline bum]

so something like this:
https://i.postimg.cc/RCJr7gZb/IMG-7110.jpg

No thanks, if they were going to trade for Trae they should have traded up to #1 for Risacher too. Makes no sense after drafting Castle.

[Degoat]

The spurs have lined themselves up to make a major trade but I just can’t see them pulling the trigger on anything major.

[Ice009]

There’s like half a dozen guys in the 25 draft that would have been #1 in this draft. We don’t even have to win, just jump into the top 4.

Do you think the Spurs don't want to make the playoffs next season as in, they're not actively going for Flagg, but would want to get a top 4 pick over making the playoffs while also having a small chance at Flagg? Do you think that's the strategy? More internal growth to see what the guys can do first?

What chance did the Hawks have of getting the number 1 pick in the 2024 draft? I'm guessing the Spurs will take that chance next season.

[sfernald]

No thanks, if they were going to trade for Trae they should have traded up to #1 for Risacher too. Makes no sense after drafting Castle.

‘I think it actually does cause they really need Castle to cover for Trae’s defensive woes.

[tmtcsc]

Hell to the Naw on brining Chris Paul or Trae Young here. Hard, hard PASS.

[John B]

Trading Dilly for unprotected FRP instead of taking a chance on him. Sure, I think they are collecting picks to trade a big haul for. I can only hope it’s for Markkanen. Trae doesn’t make sense, otherwise Spurs would’ve taken the better defensive player that fits the Spurs Dejounte.

[thOOdee]

Going all in on Trae won’t be a small mistake, it would be a catastrophic one.

100%. people thinking otherwise are living in an alternate 2klive reality. Wemby is guaranteed gone if this doesn’t work out. I pray to god spurs continue to be methodical and draft or sign young untapped potential ala molding parker and ginobili. Its a marathon not a sprint.

[KingKev]

So far we have 7 people voting YES and 4 people voting yes. This is turning out to be a close race.

When you aren’t bitching and moaning you are actually quite funny.

[exstatic]

Do you think the Spurs don't want to make the playoffs next season as in, they're not actively going for Flagg, but would want to get a top 4 pick over making the playoffs while also having a small chance at Flagg? Do you think that's the strategy? More internal growth to see what the guys can do first?

What chance did the Hawks have of getting the number 1 pick in the 2024 draft? I'm guessing the Spurs will take that chance next season.

My position is keep the ATL picks, and I think they’ll struggle.

[thOOdee]

Hell to the Naw on brining Chris Paul or Trae Young here. Hard, hard PASS.

i actually would be down for paul since he wouldnt increase our win total too much and would bring a vet presence for trey and castle. but know it wont happen since it will mean him giving up on the possibility of a ring.

[exstatic]

i actually would be down for paul since he wouldnt increase our win total too much and would bring a vet presence for trey and castle. but know it wont happen since it will mean him giving up on the possibility of a ring.

Paul will NOT let them lose. He set OKCs tank back by at least a year with a surprise playoff appearance. Of course, it was CP3, so they lost.

[Twisted_Dawg]

If the Spur's don't execute a major trade and start the season with Castle as the only new player acquisition, I don't see the voter's of SA approving a new $1.25 billion arena for them. They better get busy and generate some excitement for this team.

[exstatic]

If the Spur's don't execute a major trade and start the season with Castle as the only new player acquisition, I don't see the voter's of SA approving a new $1.25 billion arena for them. They better get busy and generate some excitement for this team.

They can’t leave until 2032, so any vote is easily 5 years out. No need to speed things up on that account.

[Chinook]

I wonder if the Spurs' plan is to give the City of SA a bunch of unprotected picks in order to get out of their lease.

[KobesAchilles]

Is Cooper Flagg any good? I hear that he can’t shoot worth a damn

[J_Paco]

I think they'll at the most trade either Keldon or Zach (or I hope so, LOL), while signing a cheap, veteran '3-&-D' wing (Naji Marshall or Haywood Highsmith would be my preference) and a third-string PG (Aaron Holiday possibly) to play behind Jones, Castle and/or Wesley.

Bringing back one or both of Mamu or Dom Barlow would be nice too.

This is essentially becoming a off-season wishlist for me. 😄😄😄

[spurraider21]

i dont think people realize just how far off the 2031 pick is from mattering.

Wemby will be 27 years old at the time of that draft. Jason Tatum has already had years of deep playoff experience, 2 finals appearances, just own his first title... and is 26 years old right now. they both started their NBA careers during their age 19 seasons. of course the celtics were already a solid team when they got tatum so its not apples to apples, but its seemingly been a really long road for tatum, and in this parallel, he wouldnt have even had the benefit of that pick yet.

while we may not make the playoffs this coming season, if we expect the spurs to start making playoff runs by year 3 of wemby, thats 6 playoff runs BEFORE we even make the 2031 selection.

then we have to assume the 2031 extra pick is a good/lotto pick

and then you have to assume that whoever we pick, assuming he pans out, will probably take 2-3 years before he's a real postseason contributor type, which would be when wemby is 30 freakin years old

that wolves pick better be traded. i know calling it the "dillingham trade" is inaccurate since we dont really know who the spurs would have taken at 8 had the pick not been dealt. but if we traded a top 10 pick now in exchange for someone who hopefully will be good enough to contribute when wemby turns 30, then thats just awful management. i dont know if they will use the 2031 pick in a trade right now this offseason, or wait another year... but anything past that and they are already sabotaging wemby the same way the cavs did lebron

[CorrectCrusader]

I doubt the trade is coming this off season, more likely the next few.

[td4mvp2k]

I doubt the trade is coming this off season, more likely the next few.
yeah im getting the feeling they will be all in after they get their number 2 next draft.. this season you can expect small changes for down the road

[exstatic]

i dont think people realize just how far off the 2031 pick is from mattering.

Wemby will be 27 years old at the time of that draft. Jason Tatum has already had years of deep playoff experience, 2 finals appearances, just own his first title... and is 26 years old right now. they both started their NBA careers during their age 19 seasons. of course the celtics were already a solid team when they got tatum so its not apples to apples, but its seemingly been a really long road for tatum, and in this parallel, he wouldnt have even had the benefit of that pick yet.

while we may not make the playoffs this coming season, if we expect the spurs to start making playoff runs by year 3 of wemby, thats 6 playoff runs BEFORE we even make the 2031 selection.

then we have to assume the 2031 extra pick is a good/lotto pick

and then you have to assume that whoever we pick, assuming he pans out, will probably take 2-3 years before he's a real postseason contributor type, which would be when wemby is 30 freakin years old

that wolves pick better be traded. i know calling it the "dillingham trade" is inaccurate since we dont really know who the spurs would have taken at 8 had the pick not been dealt. but if we traded a top 10 pick now in exchange for someone who hopefully will be good enough to contribute when wemby turns 30, then thats just awful management. i dont know if they will use the 2031 pick in a trade right now this offseason, or wait another year... but anything past that and they are already sabotaging wemby the same way the cavs did lebron
To take your scenario further, imagine Boston adding a high pick next year.

[Baam]

I think it's coming, plenty of vets want to hop on the Wemby wagon while they can.

[rascal]

I'm not convinced this fo is interested in making a major trade so No vote for me.

[Mr. Body]

To take your scenario further, imagine Boston adding a high pick next year.

This right here.

The dump seems to have two values:

- A distant FRP floating around to use in trades alongside the Spurs' own presumably later FRPs. They have enough FRPs in the next three years and no immediate targets yet. Dealing with those picks are a good problem, but adding to the mess decreases their value. Say, if you see a market with Darius Garlands and you don't like Darius Garlands, you don't want to have to trade for a Darius Garland just to use them. If a good target appears, they have years to use a 2031 pick rather than, say, two or three.

- It's good to have a possibly good pick when the team is presumably good. This is what I've thought of it since cooling down. They probably looked at Minnesota's books, and knew that this is the earliest the Wolves can give up anything. They liked how Utah controls Minnesota's picks until then. The Wolves are the losingest franchise in NBA history. Etc. And so took a calculated risk. I'll call this the Hansel and Gretel Tactic. Way, way down the path of breadcrumbs, they put a mystery box of a care package for themselves that could be way more than breadcrumbs.

Two things must have converged.

One, they put out the word that the 8 was up for bid. They wanted to see what happened.

Two, they didn't like the available players very much.

At some point, a team came in with an offer that beat out how much, or little, they valued the field. Probably got some bids for picks coming sooner, but these were not that great. SRP packages or late FRPs. In order to get a good enough package, the time slider had to be moved far in the future.

I personally find it weird as fuck, but also, if they weren't going to take Dillingham, there's only one other player I really rate at that point in the draft, and that's Devin Carter. They probably liked him, but the balance still tipped in the other direction. Maybe Minnesota added the swap or something. But the rest of the players? I see Cody Williams as Keita Bates-Diop. I'm sure Jared McCain or Bub Carrington appealed, but still didn't hit the right calculus. Whatever's going on with the cap is probably part of the whole thought process.

[ChumpDumper]

To take your scenario further, imagine Boston adding a high pick next year.

And is Wemby going to suck at 30?

Weird take from SR21, but I'm fine with trading the future pick too.

[Spurs Homer]

The truth:

No trade = the front office botched the #8 dilly pick and got nothing = incompetence

Trade for an all star = eases their dilly fuckup depending on the particulars of the trade

period.

[DAF86]

Is Cooper Flagg any good? I hear that he can’t shoot worth a damn

I haven't seen much of him yet, but for the very little I've seen, he looks like a skinnier Matas Buzelis. I suppose there's gotta be a lot more to his game.

[Mr. Body]

I would bet Cooper Flagg is the Scoot Henderson of this next draft class.

[Sugus]

The Spurs are very close to the salary they'd need for a Chris Paul trade. Like for example, Graham and Bassey for Paul should work if my understanding of the CBA is correct. Say what you want about big PGs, but we know the Spurs have long had a love affair for Paul, even since they've been on this kick. Graham's and Bassey's guaranteed amounts doesn't matter in such a trade, since their whole salaries already factor into the cap. But I imagine the Warriors would want to avoid his guarantee date if they could.

Fuckin' subscribe tbh.

Graham and Bassey for Paul? That's a "major trade" I can get behind. Have the Point God teaching Castle the ropes from day 1.

[CorrectCrusader]

I would bet Cooper Flagg is the Scoot Henderson of this next draft class.

From the film I've watched I have Ace Bailey #1 and Traore #2. Granted I've watched more of them than anyone else so It's probably bias.

[SpurSpike]

No

[ginobilized]

My heart says YES and my gut says yes

My brain has a bit of maybe, thus, I went with yes

[Mr. Body]

I've been thinking Chris Paul for a while.

[TD 21]

I'm trying to think of a third team that could get involved in a Spurs/Hawks deal.

The idea would be that the third team sends out the assets for Young that they would in a two-team deal with the Hawks, but instead those assets go to the Spurs with the Hawks getting their 2025/2026/2027 draft control back plus salary filler.

A very rough draft might be:

Hawks send Young
Hawks receive their own 2025 and 2027 picks, undo the 2026 swap, Russell, Zollins
Spurs send ATL 2025/2027, undo 2026 swap, Zollins, Graham
Spurs receive LAL 2027 protected 1-4, 2029/2031 unprotected, Reaves, Hachimura
Lakers send 2027 protected 1-4, 2029/2031 unprotected, Russell, Reaves, Hachimura
Lakers receive Young, Graham

I'm not saying this is a good deal for everyone, just that it illustrates the framework.

I would think only the Hawks would do this, but it's close enough that I agree this is the only framework of a "major trade" involving the Spurs that I could see.

Otherwise, at best we're more than likely looking at the names that have been discussed ad nauseam (Brogdon, Barnes, etc.)

[BatManu20]

Meh not buying it tbh. Trading for Trae makes no sense now post-draft. Would’ve likely needed to include the #1 overall pick. They might make a smaller trade but I feel like Summer 2025 is when we make a bigger move tbh.

[Spurs9]

Thoughts on Klay?

[SpurSpike]

The way the Spurs talk is that they like the idea of having these future picks as a cheap way to bring in talent when Wemby is in his prime and cannot rely on Spurs own picks which will be higher and used for trades. This is why I do not expect some big trade now, it's too short term minded.

[scott]

i dont think people realize just how far off the 2031 pick is from mattering.

Wemby will be 27 years old at the time of that draft. Jason Tatum has already had years of deep playoff experience, 2 finals appearances, just own his first title... and is 26 years old right now. they both started their NBA careers during their age 19 seasons. of course the celtics were already a solid team when they got tatum so its not apples to apples, but its seemingly been a really long road for tatum, and in this parallel, he wouldnt have even had the benefit of that pick yet.

while we may not make the playoffs this coming season, if we expect the spurs to start making playoff runs by year 3 of wemby, thats 6 playoff runs BEFORE we even make the 2031 selection.

then we have to assume the 2031 extra pick is a good/lotto pick

and then you have to assume that whoever we pick, assuming he pans out, will probably take 2-3 years before he's a real postseason contributor type, which would be when wemby is 30 freakin years old

that wolves pick better be traded. i know calling it the "dillingham trade" is inaccurate since we dont really know who the spurs would have taken at 8 had the pick not been dealt. but if we traded a top 10 pick now in exchange for someone who hopefully will be good enough to contribute when wemby turns 30, then thats just awful management. i dont know if they will use the 2031 pick in a trade right now this offseason, or wait another year... but anything past that and they are already sabotaging wemby the same way the cavs did lebron

Prediction: The Spurs will make no major moves with this pick. When someone from the local Spurs media finally gets around to asking about it in 8 months, Wright will say that just because something does happen it doesn't mean he tried, and that he remains as active as ever. Behind the scenes, Wright and PAFTO are flabbergasted that their meager trade proposals aren't any traction, because they (obviously) have a highly inflated view of what 2031 FRPs are worth.

Holt Jr: Hey guys, what's the status on making the team better?
Wright: Well, we offered that 2031 Wolves pick for [interest good player's name here] but those bastard want [actual fair value] for him, so we've just decided to stand pat and develop the talent we have.

[Biggems]

So far we have 7 people voting YES and 4 people voting yes. This is turning out to be a close race.

So 11 people voting yes?

[widowmaker]

The only big trade im waiting for is the spurs packaging all of the draft picks they have for a bag of Doritos and a bean dip.

[Pauleta14]

Thoughts on Klay?

I don't like the idea tbh

In terms of bb profile it makes sense but I'm not fan of his pesonality, he wouldn't be the veteran we need, he's not vocal and always more focused on himself. Quite dark peronality

He'd be great in a team already running well lie Dallas or imagine with boston or NY etc

[KobesAchilles]

I've been thinking Chris Paul for a while.
I wouldn’t mind Paul for a cheap back up. Him teaching Castle how to play would be enormous for the kids growth. That being said, Paul is done as a player. I saw a video where the dude only had 14 attempts at the rim all year long last year. That sounds pretty washed

[jjspur]

The "big" trade is the spurs trading the Charlotte pick. Probably for 2nd round picks in 2032.

[tmtcsc]

I haven't seen much of him yet, but for the very little I've seen, he looks like a skinnier Matas Buzelis. I suppose there's gotta be a lot more to his game.

I’ve seen some highlights of him but Brian Scalabrine has played against him & said he’s the real deal. He thought he could play in the NBA bow. For whatever thats worth.

[rascal]

The "big" trade is the spurs trading the Charlotte pick. Probably for 2nd round picks in 2032.

This can happen as the Spurs wanted Salaun.

[BackHome]

I wonder if the Spurs' plan is to give the City of SA a bunch of unprotected picks in order to get out of their lease.

I would never thought I would see the day Chinook would get Salty with the Spurs...lol

You know the Spurs messed up if you got Chinook pissed!!!

[Mr. Body]

This can happen as the Spurs wanted Salaun.

Utterly no evidence of this whatsoever. Stop repeating it.

[tbdog]

What's up with the Spurs wanting Brook Lopez rumour? Just seems like a odd player to go for now we know how dominant Victor is at the 5. I would make more sense if the rumour is Middleton, because we really need a good shooter at the 3.

Wemby
Sochan
Shooter
Vassell
Castle.

[taps]

No way the hawks take risacher if they were trading trae. They would have probably taken somebody who has some hope of being a franchise player like Sarr

I still don’t understand why they didn’t take Sarr.

Edit: I forgot he refused to work out for them. He fills a huge need for them though I can’t remember them EVER having a big man outside of Al Horford and Kevin Willis. They’ve always been small. I just don’t get it, locker room thing must be huge to pass on the better player for another backcourt type guy (Risacher.)

[Pauleta14]

What's up with the Spurs wanting Brook Lopez rumour? Just seems like a odd player to go for now we know how dominant Victor is at the 5. I would make more sense if the rumour is Middleton, because we really need a good shooter at the 3.

Wemby
Sochan
Shooter
Vassell
Castle.

High IQ vet we badly need
Can shoot the 3
last year of his deal, full season to see if he fits longer
We can't have only Zollins off the bench

We have so many needs and profiles that would fit, his would make sense imo

[scott]

High IQ vet we badly need
Can shoot the 3
last year of his deal, full season to see if he fits longer
We can't have only Zollins off the bench

We have so many needs and profiles that would fit, his would make sense imo

I like Middleton as our modern day Terry Cummings mentor vet (who we also got from Milwaukee).

Don’t know what we have to offer Milwaukee though. They need win now pieces. I could see them being interested in Vassell, but that’s not the type of deal we should put Devin on the table for.

[Knoxxx]

Something may be afoot but after drafting Castle I’d think a frontcourt acquisition where we
still need a good deal of help would be more likely than a backcourt acquisition.

Trae Yoing after drafting Castle I wouldn’t expect to be the game plan at all.

[Pauleta14]

I like Middleton as our modern day Terry Cummings mentor vet (who we also got from Milwaukee).

Don’t know what we have to offer Milwaukee though. They need win now pieces. I could see them being interested in Vassell, but that’s not the type of deal we should put Devin on the table for.

He'd be an amazing fit technically but he's going to be 33 in august and has 3 more years at 33M/season on average.

Is he the right guy at the right time? When you take eveything in consideration, cost of the trade (what picks?), salary, poduction (quick decline?)? I'm not sure

[Obstructed_View]

Thoughts on Klay?
Honestly, if his attitude is right, I don't hate it. He can hit shots, he has playoff skins, and after this draft, the Spurs are badly in need of someone who can make a fuckin basket. If he goes to the Spurs it's to establish himself as a leader and a mentor, where the world sees him as a guy who just benefitted from being on a good team. But if you want to be Tony Parker, you gotta work for the Tony Parker discount.

[scott]

He'd be an amazing fit technically but he's going to be 33 in august and has 3 more years at 33M/season on average.

Is he the right guy at the right time? When you take eveything in consideration, cost of the trade (what picks?), salary, poduction (quick decline?)? I'm not sure

He’s only got two more years left (and the second is a player option, which he’d probably opt into, but you never know), which is what makes it acceptable in my mind (for the same logic discussed above in regards to Lavine. The next two years I think we can easily absorb a deal like Middleton’s. It’s that year 3 that worries me, but Middleton will be off the books at that point).

[Pauleta14]

He’s only got two more years left (and the second is a player option, which he’d probably opt into, but you never know), which is what makes it acceptable in my mind (for the same logic discussed above in regards to Lavine. The next two years I think we can easily absorb a deal like Middleton’s. It’s that year 3 that worries me, but Middleton will be off the books at that point).

My bad I misread

Why not depending on the cost and who they want in exchange

For all the shit I gave him I'd like to keep Vassell at least 1 more season to see if he shows real improvements. His jumpshot is special

If they want Keldon filers and let's say CHI & CHA 25...

But no way on the ATL picks, they're way to valuable to me

[scott]

My bad I misread

Why not depending on the cost and who they want in exchange

For all the shit I gave him I'd like to keep Vassell at least 1 more season to see if he shows real improvements. His jumpshot is special

If they want Keldon filers and let's say CHI & CHA 25...

But no way on the ATL picks, they're way to valuable to me

I’m with you 100% on what we’d give up. Definitely not worth any of our real valuable assets. I think the only way it would work for us is if MIL is just looking to get off them so they can do something else or some kind of 3-team trade, because I don’t think they would want Keldon. While Vassell isn’t untouchable, we definitely wouldn’t want to give him up in this kind of deal.

I do like build though where we get someone like Middleton (or even Klay, who I don’t even like really) and then a Cam Johnson (or someone similar) and move Jeremy to the bench.

Castle/Vassell/Middleton/Cam/Wemby seems much more like a real starting 5 to me. I doubt the Spurs are interested in doing any of this though if the 25 Draft and another soft tank is our true intention. LOL all of us who said we were done tanking.

[sfernald]

I’m with you 100% on what we’d give up. Definitely not worth any of our real valuable assets. I think the only way it would work for us is if MIL is just looking to get off them so they can do something else or some kind of 3-team trade, because I don’t think they would want Keldon. While Vassell isn’t untouchable, we definitely wouldn’t want to give him up in this kind of deal.

I do like build though where we get someone like Middleton (or even Klay, who I don’t even like really) and then a Cam Johnson (or someone similar) and move Jeremy to the bench.

Castle/Vassell/Middleton/Cam/Wemby seems much more like a real starting 5 to me. I doubt the Spurs are interested in doing any of this though if the 25 Draft and another soft tank is our true intention. LOL all of us who said we were done tanking.

Think that’s way premature. Let’s see if we can consider if the team is still planning to tank after this free agency and trading season is completed.

[offset formation]

I think I have seen something about every single team in FA so far except the spurs, as usual :lol

They're evaluating all their options tho.

[Redshadows]

Maybe Brook Lopez and FRP swap in 2031 from the Bucks for future SRPs from the Spurs.

[R. DeMurre]

I've done a little bit of light research into Brian Wright's career with Orlando and Detroit, and I have an honest question: has he ever been involved in a major, dynamic, franchise changing trade?

[Mr. Body]

I've done a little bit of light research into Brian Wright's career with Orlando and Detroit, and I have an honest question: has he ever been involved in a major, dynamic, franchise changing trade?

Dejounte?

[scott]

Think that’s way premature. Let’s see if we can consider if the team is still planning to tank after this free agency and trading season is completed.

It's only premature if you want to tank. It's not premature if you feel like Wemby is a top 20 player (he is) and you want to win (we apparently don't).

[R. DeMurre]

Dejounte?


Elaborate?

I should've been clearer, meaning a dynamic trade involving team construction rather than deconstruction/tanking.

[poopbox]

Dejounte?

Atlanta basically stayed the same and the Spurs were already well on their way to being a bottom of the barrel tanking team.

[Chinook]

I've done a little bit of light research into Brian Wright's career with Orlando and Detroit, and I have an honest question: has he ever been involved in a major, dynamic, franchise changing trade?

He was the architect of the Kawhi trade.

[scott]

He was the architect of the Kawhi trade.

Brian just keep getting it Wright

[exstatic]

Thoughts on Klay?

He seems to be a bit of a baby.

[Mr. Body]

Klay Thompson wants to go to a contender to show those meanies at Golden State what they're missing.

[R. DeMurre]

He was the architect of the Kawhi trade.

Yeah, that definitely helped change the Raptor franchise.

[Mr. Body]

Yeah, that definitely helped change the Raptor franchise.

It was better than the Lakers giving us Luol Deng.

[sfernald]

They also agreed to alter his guarantee date. So I don't think that's their plan. They might be trying to rope him into a Paul George trade as rumored. I'm sure if that's the case, they'd prefer to sell LAC on them taking back non-guaranteed salary from SA rather than having to guarantee Paul's salary. Something like

LAC: George for Wiggins, Graham and Bassey
GS: Paul and Wiggins for George
SA: Graham and Bassey for Paul

I'm pretty sure that's legal even with the new apron rules.

Told ya.

[Knoxxx]

Step up for a message board flogging if you think Spurs are still in the trade market for a PG after drafting Castle.

[sfernald]

Step up for a message board flogging if you think Spurs are still in the trade market for a PG after drafting Castle.

‘sure I think they might sign Chris Paul on a short one or two year as a mentor for Wemby and Castle.

[BackHome]

What a waste of money and time in getting a washed up player if you want someone to coach Castle and new players why not just hire a EX NBA coach?

[DR_Admiral]

Fans usually have this weird notion that all old players want to take on a mentor role for young players. CPaul is trying to get ring.

[TD 21]

Fans usually have this weird notion that all old players want to take on a mentor role for young players. CPaul is trying to get ring.

Exactly. In demand role players nearing the end of the road, like Paul and Batum, could only potentially be incentivized to sign here if the Spurs drastically overpaid which they shouldn't be doing.

Harris is a different story though. He's still young enough to conceivably be enticed, though the Pistons can offer more.

[benefactor]

Fans usually have this weird notion that all old players want to take on a mentor role for young players. CPaul is trying to get ring.
What contender wants him though? It's pretty lonely at the top right now and I don't see any of those teams feeling like they need to sign him

[DR_Admiral]

What contender wants him though? It's pretty lonely at the top right now and I don't see any of those teams feeling like they need to sign him

True, but to assume his mindset is to join a rebuilding team and play mentor while getting 10-12 minutes a game means that he's accepted his fate as never getting a ring. Perhaps that's a realization that he's about to have. I don't know enough about other team's cap to suggest which contender would be willing to add him.

[CGD]

BRACE YOURSELVES

CP3…

[DR_Admiral]

lol right when I posted that above, news breaks that CP is a Spur.

[Chinook]

Told ya.

You sure did, buddy.

[Chinook]

Fans usually have this weird notion that all old players want to take on a mentor role for young players. CPaul is trying to get ring.

I find it far more common for folks to assume all old players want to win a ring at all costs. Hence why people assumed Paul wouldn't sign with the Spurs.

[Baam]

It's coming https://x.com/esidery/status/1807751310663377179?t=-jyz7qdZcMuXs036BqnRNA&s=19

[ginobilized]

It's coming https://x.com/esidery/status/1807751310663377179?t=-jyz7qdZcMuXs036BqnRNA&s=19

In before the deluge, I submit.........The Nordic Finnishing School of Lauri Markkanen
What do you think Scott?

[NASpurs]

It's coming https://x.com/esidery/status/1807751310663377179?t=-jyz7qdZcMuXs036BqnRNA&s=19

Don't want to get bent over by Ainge

[John B]

I hope the domino of vets signing starts here. Who’s next? Markkanen? Batum?

[LeBowen]

Don't want to get bent over by Ainge

At this point Danny Ainge doesn't care about anything other than fleecing teams, it's his sole purpose in life.
But damn, I want Markkanen so bad I'd accept it as long as we have one FRP left in every draft.

Collins, '25 CHI, '25 CHA, '31 MIN would surely be included. Minnesota pick because Utah already owns all of their picks and Ainge surely wants to rub it in even more.
Then either one '27 unprotected pick or worse of '25 SAS/ATL and '27 SAS/ATL.
I wouldn't give up '25 SAS or ATL, everything else can be negotiated.

I'd maybe even entertain taking on their Collins, he's still a solid player and three man PF/C rotation of Lauri, John Collins and Wemby would be very good.
Collins+Tre+Keldon for Collins+Lauri matches perfectly salary wise and would probably allow us to send one FRP less.
Then they can trade Tre+Keldon for something useful, teams would rate them as bench pieces.

[Degoat]

I’m perplexed by the Markkanen interest, is he really a good fit with wemby long term?

[baseline bum]

At this point Danny Ainge doesn't care about anything other than fleecing teams, it's his sole purpose in life.
But damn, I want Markkanen so bad I'd accept it as long as we have one FRP left in every draft.

Collins, '25 CHI, '25 CHA, '31 MIN would surely be included. Minnesota pick because Utah already owns all of their picks and Ainge surely wants to rub it in even more.
Then either one '27 unprotected pick or worse of '25 SAS/ATL and '27 SAS/ATL.
I wouldn't give up '25 SAS or ATL, everything else can be negotiated.

I'd maybe even entertain taking on their Collins, he's still a solid player and three man PF/C rotation of Lauri, John Collins and Wemby would be very good.
Collins+Tre+Keldon for Collins+Lauri matches perfectly salary wise and would probably allow us to send one FRP less.
Then they can trade Tre+Keldon for something useful, teams would rate them as bench pieces.

Can't imagine getting Markannen without giving up one of the 25 picks. Would be funny if that 31 pick helps land him though so we can stop hearing all the bitching about Dillingham.

[LeBowen]

Can't imagine getting Markannen without giving up one of the 25 picks. Would be funny if that 31 pick helps land him though so we can stop hearing all the bitching about Dillingham.

Chicago and Charlotte picks are definitely gone in any bigger trade.
I see Charlotte as a payment to the other team for taking Zach, tbh. :lol
It won't convey.
Chicago could, but is still not a guaranteed FRP.
I think Collins isn't getting anywhere for less than three guaranteed FRPs that aren't projected to be far off the lottery and then some.

Considering PATFO probably won't be adding multiple rookies anymore, I'd be fine with trading away worse SAS/ATL picks in '25 and '27.

My offer would look something like:
Chicago '25 - likely won't convey in '25, late lottery if it conveys in '26.
Charlotte '25 - won't convery.
Minnesota '31 - who knows? Considering it's Minnesota, could very well be a lottery pick.
Worse off Spurs/Hawks in '25 and '27 - probably mid-lottery in '25 and then hopefully late FRP in '27.
I'd give up Spurs '27 straight up, but Hawks '27 is obviously way more valuable.

That would be two mid-late lottery picks, one late FRP and a Minnesota pick that's a complete unknown.
Could maybe create a future Edwards trade scenario for Utah due to them owning '27 and '29 Minnesota picks.

Keldon+Tre combo could net them another late FRP.


I’m perplexed by the Markkanen interest, is he really a good fit with wemby long term?

Why wouldn't he be?
On offense, he's as perfect of a fit as it gets.
Basically a 7ft Klay on the perimeter.
Can punish mismatches with LMA-style mid-range post ups.
Not an elite athlete, but doesn't shy away from contact and always goes strong to the rim when there's space. And there would be space with everyone focused on Wemby.
Also a very good rebounder, something we also lack.

He's not a great defender, but he's not that bad. Solid enough to hold his own. He's not a target for mismatches other than obviously quick guards, but almost no big can guard those matchups.
He'd also be great because he can match up with stretch bigs.
Let's say we're playing a team with someone like Brook Lopez. You just put Markkanen on outside shooters and let Wemby protect the rim.

I honestly don't see any red flags if we're talking about basketball or even character fit.
In this market where so few all-star players become available and then you have to play a king's ransom for any of them, Markkanen trade seems like a no brainer.

He'll enter his new contract when he turns 28, so we'd have him on a max deal for the entirety of his prime and then he could take a discount at 33 for his next contract.
We just saw Immanuel Quickley sign a 175/5 deal, times are changing.

[Raven]

starting to think tre jones is getting shipped tbh... his contract is perfect for a trade

[Mr. Body]

I’m perplexed by the Markkanen interest, is he really a good fit with wemby long term?

He's 27, so no. He'd be a mid-term guy you'd probably not want to keep paying bigtime past this next contract of his.

[baseline bum]

starting to think tre jones is getting shipped tbh... his contract is perfect for a trade

I think Tre's going to be very hard to retain next summer as someone will offer him starter level money.

[rankingtear]

Ainge going against BWrong. Let's see what he got.

[Dejounte]

Let’s get Markannen, baby

[rankingtear]

Markannen is an all star in Will Hardy system, not much difference. They got the intel. Great fit overall. Still has 5 years of prime left. We can renegotiate and extend with our capspace. Maybe declining deal.

[Obstructed_View]

So when does Graham's contract stick? I guess that's our trade deadline. Surely they will cut him if nothing is planned.

[LeBowen]

So when does Graham's contract stick? I guess that's our trade deadline. Surely they will cut him if nothing is planned.

They moved it for a week.
I guess we'll know by then.


Btw, I could actually see Utah wanting Jeremy.
I wouldn't mind trading him, unfortunately his skillset is kind of a detriment to Castle and Wemby.
And I'd rather keep one of those Hawks picks than Jeremy.

[Pauleta14]

They moved it for a week.
I guess we'll know by then.


Btw, I could actually see Utah wanting Jeremy.
I wouldn't mind trading him, unfortunately his skillset is kind of a detriment to Castle and Wemby.
And I'd rather keep one of those Hawks picks than Jeremy.


Longer than that. Until the 13th

[Seventyniner]

They moved it for a week.
I guess we'll know by then.


Btw, I could actually see Utah wanting Jeremy.
I wouldn't mind trading him, unfortunately his skillset is kind of a detriment to Castle and Wemby.
And I'd rather keep one of those Hawks picks than Jeremy.

Anything you would rather keep, Ainge would rather have.

[BatManu20]

Markkanen is my dream but I know he’s not gonna come cheap. Just wonder how many of those FRP’s it would take tbh.

[rankingtear]

They have also aligned CP3 contract to be at the salary floor when they match Markannen contract with KJ or Zollins. They need this to renegotiate and extend Lauri mid season with cap space. Coincidence or nah.

[rankingtear]

The problem with GSW is they can't extend him for his value. He would hit UFA with them so unless their desperate they are paying for a rental. We can extend him if we mantain capspace. It is the DJ thing again where he is making too little to extend. That limits UTA leverage.

[Spur|n|Austin]

I wonder if the Spurs' plan is to give the City of SA a bunch of unprotected picks in order to get out of their lease.

:downspin:

[Obstructed_View]

I’m perplexed by the Markkanen interest, is he really a good fit with wemby long term?
Maybe I haven't seen him enough, but his skillset seems like it would be perfect with Victor. The only downside is that he's 27. If you think otherwise, I'm interested to hear it. A long, slashing scorer with Victor seems like the dream.

[Dejounte]

27 isn’t old. Not everybody has to be in their young 20’s. Markkanen has about 6+ years of being a good to great player.

[Obstructed_View]

27 isn’t old. Not everybody has to be in their young 20’s. Markkanen has about 6+ years of being a good to great player.
I don't think 27 is old either. It's the stage of development. Poetl and Dejounte were traded more for their age than anything else.