2024 Spurs Free Agency Primer

[timvp]

https://www.spurstalk.com/spurs-free-agent-targets-2024/

[RC_Drunkford]

as another poster mentioned Simone Fontecchio would be a nice addition as well.

[mystargtr34]

I like Melton at the 1. Defense and shooting is a must alongside the big 4 of Wemby, Sochan, Castle, Vassell.

[Cardinal]

Really nasty free agency class overall

[kobyz]

My top 10 FA targets for the Spurs:
1. Isaac Okoro
2. Derrick Jones
3. Saddiq Bey
4. Max Christie
5. Naji Marshall
6. Xavier Tillman, Sr.
7. De'Anthony Melton
8. Simone Fontecchio
9. Haywood Highsmith
10. Precious Achiuwa

[Bruno]

I'm against Spurs signing a good PG. Minutes at that spot should be given to Tre and Castle. Castle will need minutes playing PG to develop. It will likely cost some games to Spurs but it will be worth it in the long run (unlike Sochan playing PG...).

Caleb Martin is my #1 target for Spurs. Heat likely won't be able to keep him:
https://x.com/TheDunkCentral/status/1807169256322482483

[CGD]

What a depressing list. I’d add Gary Trent to this list though. Good shooter and TOR is moving on from him.

I’m liking the trade market better.

[duncan2150]

I'm against Spurs signing a good PG. Minutes at that spot should be given to Tre and Castle. Castle will need minutes playing PG to develop. It will likely cost some games to Spurs but it will be worth it in the long run (unlike Sochan playing PG...). Caleb Martin is my #1 target for Spurs. Heat likely won't be able to keep him:https://x.com/TheDunkCentral/status/1807169256322482483 I like martin but do you think we need a better shooter in priority ? Almost if osman is gone

[BatManu20]

I'm against Spurs signing a good PG. Minutes at that spot should be given to Tre and Castle. Castle will need minutes playing PG to develop. It will likely cost some games to Spurs but it will be worth it in the long run (unlike Sochan playing PG...).

Caleb Martin is my #1 target for Spurs. Heat likely won't be able to keep him:
https://x.com/TheDunkCentral/status/1807169256322482483


Don't think Caleb Martin has any intentions of signing with SA tbh.. :lol


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[duncan2150]

What a depressing list. I’d add Gary Trent to this list though. Good shooter and TOR is moving on from him. I’m liking the trade market better.Im with you a cam Johnson could be a very good fit but probably too expensive

[Extra Stout]

The Spurs will sign some flotsam and jetsam on budget contracts if needed to fill out the roster. There will be no attempts to improve the team.

[onechance87]

jalen smith or goga bitadze

[heyheymymy]

I like the Spurs move to essentially consolidate Barlow and Mamu into one slot.

[Spursfanfromafar]

Its not going to happen, but still.. just for a hypothetical case... why shouldn't the Spurs pursue Paul George in free agency? He is a free agent and it won't cost any draft picks to get him.. it might require, as Chinook pointed out, for the Spurs to jettison Calamity Branham and Keldon Johnson apart from getting out of Devonte Graham's contract, but these are doable, isn't it and won't cost much, am I right?

George doesn't "fit" the Spurs timeline but he is a versatile player who can aid in the development of Wemby, Castle, Vassell and Sochan even further and by the time, his behemoth 4-year 200 million $ odd contract comes to an end, Wemby will be out of his rookie scale and they should be able to capitalize on their draft picks with some good talent in the next 2-3 years too. Why shouldn't the Spurs try to get George offering him a chance to play for Pop and to play with a genuine once-in-a-generation up and comer talent in Wemby? timvp?

[Mr. Body]

This feels like a take on flotsam from other trades summer. Depends on if bigger names are getting moved or what. Nothing on this list really makes sense otherwise.

[Degoat]

One under the radar move I’d like is to add Tristan Vukcevic, would be a solid stretch big

[tbdog]

Its not going to happen, but still.. just for a hypothetical case... why shouldn't the Spurs pursue Paul George in free agency? He is a free agent and it won't cost any draft picks to get him.. it might require, as Chinook pointed out, for the Spurs to jettison Calamity Branham and Keldon Johnson apart from getting out of Devonte Graham's contract, but these are doable, isn't it and won't cost much, am I right?

George doesn't "fit" the Spurs timeline but he is a versatile player who can aid in the development of Wemby, Castle, Vassell and Sochan even further and by the time, his behemoth 4-year 200 million $ odd contract comes to an end, Wemby will be out of his rookie scale and they should be able to capitalize on their draft picks with some good talent in the next 2-3 years too. Why shouldn't the Spurs try to get George offering him a chance to play for Pop and to play with a genuine once-in-a-generation up and comer talent in Wemby? timvp?

George won't be worth his salary in year 4, maybe even in year 3. That's when the spurs really don't want expensive mistake. This isn't the fun max. This is the vet max. This is an avg of 53 mil per year. I think his 4th year is near that 60mil mark. For a team like the sixers, this makes sense. They are in a win now mode with embid and that window is now.

[DPG21920]

Hopefully the Spurs get more creative than this. Not only are there a few RFA that are better than anyone on this list outside of Caleb, there are trades to be made. If the Spurs are so vanilla that all they do is go after value on this list, it’s pretty damn disappointing and literally doesnt help move the team forward at all. Bringing back only Cedi/Mamu would be a disaster off season given how poor the Spurs were with Wemby.

An off season where they only add Castle, to a team that won 22 games is unforgivable. They need to add more. They dont need to do anything silly like Trae or Garland or trade good picks for meh talent, but they need to do more than just Castle and 1 terrible free agent.

I would be ok with taking on bad contracts for picks as long as the players is useful. I would be fine with a trade of a non-core pick/2nds for player better than who is in FA. I would be fine with some of the RFA’s that are solid. Hell, even you can trade for Lavine like I said and take a gamble on talent for the removal of pick protections and get best of both worlds because if you’re willing to just run it back, then theres zero reason not to rent cap space for assets at that point.

But you cannot just re-sign Mamu + Cedi and call it a day. That would be pretty damning.

[DPG21920]

Spurs could look to trade Keldon as well vs just run it back if that’s what it takes. Get someone who “fits” (3PT shooter + defense) for that money and that could start or be 6th man. At a minimum they should be looking at things like that to improve the team.

Theres just too many guys who we know wont be here long term on the roster that at a minimum should need to compete and fight to earn minutes vs other good new players in addition to Castle.

Doing nothing in free agency or trades other than Cedi+Mamu essentially would make trading the 8th pick like they did pretty hard to swallow in context of how damn bad SA was last season and how much room for talent there is on this team to at least compete for minutes and hope you land something better than you have.

I fully understand the long game and support it; but theres limits and as we’ve seen, even if you have a plan of cap space etc next season, you can still sign guys this off season to help that have + value then trade them for value when you need cap space etc..get creative and do your job spurs.

[Cabrito]

I wouldn’t mind an enforcer like Andre Drummond to help with spot minutes with certain matchups. He can’t do much other than rebound (which we need), but we lack a physical presence. I would prefer him over playing Collins at the backup 5 in some matchups.

[CorrectCrusader]

Give me Drummond and Sandro and i'm good

[Ariel]

Its not going to happen, but still.. just for a hypothetical case... why shouldn't the Spurs pursue Paul George in free agency? He is a free agent and it won't cost any draft picks to get him.. it might require, as Chinook pointed out, for the Spurs to jettison Calamity Branham and Keldon Johnson apart from getting out of Devonte Graham's contract, but these are doable, isn't it and won't cost much, am I right?

George doesn't "fit" the Spurs timeline but he is a versatile player who can aid in the development of Wemby, Castle, Vassell and Sochan even further and by the time, his behemoth 4-year 200 million $ odd contract comes to an end, Wemby will be out of his rookie scale and they should be able to capitalize on their draft picks with some good talent in the next 2-3 years too. Why shouldn't the Spurs try to get George offering him a chance to play for Pop and to play with a genuine once-in-a-generation up and comer talent in Wemby? timvp (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=8)?
It doesn't cost picks, but it costs future opportunities to land a max player. PG13 will be good when the Spurs can't really contend even with him (next 2 years) and likely not when they can (3rd and 4th years). It sounds tempting, but may end up with the Spurs shooting themselves in the foot.

[Leetonidas]

What a sad list of FAs

[Spurs Brazil]

Kennard and Trend Jr can shoot. But I don't know about their defense.

[Ariel]

Only thing worse than doing nothing, is doing something bad that's costly to undo, like the Collins extension. This free agency class is bad but the next one is good, if you have a good target you can offer a Bruce Brown type contract (overpay with 2nd year a team option), but I would hesitate to do anything that takes the Spurs out of the '25 free agency.

[Extra Stout]

Next year the free agency class is always better, until it arrives and then it isn’t.

[baseline bum]

I don't see what Caleb Martin offers that Champagnie doesn't and Champagnie only costs $3 million a year.

[CGD]

I don't see what Caleb Martin offers that Champagnie doesn't and Champagnie only costs $3 million a year.

Agreed, but we also just need more players that can shoot period

[DPG21920]

I don't see what Caleb Martin offers that Champagnie doesn't and Champagnie only costs $3 million a year.

Having 2 of them is a good thing. Means less minutes from Cedi/Branham/Blake etc…better availability for switchable lineups etc..

[thOOdee]

I’m liking naji marshal, however wouldn’t mind nicolas batum. Batum would be a nice French vet presence for hopefully a few years on the cheap, who’d i think would help the team/wemby stay focused on a long term goal while not affecting winning too much & hurting our lottery chances for 25.

[baseline bum]

Having 2 of them is a good thing. Means less minutes from Cedi/Branham/Blake etc…better availability for switchable lineups etc..

While Branham was 571 out of 572 in the league on VORP I still expect PATFO to pick up his year 4 option and play him significant minutes again in the hope he finds the three point shot he had at Ohio State.

[Spurs Homer]

It would be an embarrassment if the trading of the #8 pick was not made because they had an acquisition in mind to replace that talent

FOR THIS SEASON!

i am baffled at spurs fans who do not revolt and put pressure on this front office.

mamu and osman?
are you fucking kidding me?

the wolves had zero options and they came away with an exciting and enticing prospect- and the spurs who have “allegedly” been stockpiling assets and playing 4d chess

get NOTHING FOR THIS SEASON? (Castle seems promising but they had TWO TOP TEN PICKS)

Fuck this front office if all they do is keep their stinking garbage roster surrounding wemby

[spursparker9]

lol Batum is only 35? Feel like he had played for 20 years in the league.

[Degoat]

Don’t want to be a Debbie downer but I’ll be surprised if we make any moves in free agency, think will use our cap space to absorb contracts again…

[BatManu20]

lol Batum is only 35? Feel like he had played for 20 years in the league.

:lol Thought he was older too tbh. He seems like he's been around for a hot minute.

[KingKev]

I expect very little from our organization this off-season. The cost of a borderline AS caliber players these days is astronomical. I’m okay with overpaying a vet like CP3 or Tobias Harris if only on a 1-2year contract but otherwise let’s just keep growing organically.

I really hope they just throw Castle into the deep end and let him go be a dog. Pop screaming at him every step of the way.

[RC_Drunkford]

Its not going to happen, but still.. just for a hypothetical case... why shouldn't the Spurs pursue Paul George in free agency? He is a free agent and it won't cost any draft picks to get him.. it might require, as Chinook pointed out, for the Spurs to jettison Calamity Branham and Keldon Johnson apart from getting out of Devonte Graham's contract, but these are doable, isn't it and won't cost much, am I right?

George doesn't "fit" the Spurs timeline but he is a versatile player who can aid in the development of Wemby, Castle, Vassell and Sochan even further and by the time, his behemoth 4-year 200 million $ odd contract comes to an end, Wemby will be out of his rookie scale and they should be able to capitalize on their draft picks with some good talent in the next 2-3 years too. Why shouldn't the Spurs try to get George offering him a chance to play for Pop and to play with a genuine once-in-a-generation up and comer talent in Wemby? timvp (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=8)?

there is no reason not to make a run at him, except for spurstalkers who'd rather have Jalen Smith and Jeff Ayres

[Mr. Body]

I expect very little from our organization this off-season. The cost of a borderline AS caliber players these days is astronomical. I’m okay with overpaying a vet like CP3 or Tobias Harris if only on a 1-2year contract but otherwise let’s just keep growing organically.

I really hope they just throw Castle into the deep end and let him go be a dog. Pop screaming at him every step of the way.

Agree on long term contracts. The most they'll do is one or two years. And agree on the above about spending money on players who don't provide much more than our other players. Like Caleb Martin. They won't spend on a four or five year contract when Champagnie is very inexpensive and does essentially the same things, if not as well.

I know that gets some people steamed, but the process really is being very deliberate. It feels like they're being picky about what they're doing, and they are. My feel is that they have four players they more or less regard as 'core' at this point: Wembanyama, Vassell, Sochan, Castle. Honestly think they really like Branham and want to see what happens this year. Other players are guys they like (Tre, Keldon) but aren't wed to. Like, Tre Jones will be a cheap excellent backup.

For the rest, they're going to be as fluid and flexible as possible. No contracts to players you have to dump or do something with in two or three years.

[jjspur]

The problem with the spurs is they can make moves(usually just small ones) , they just don't - or mess up the ones they can make. They basically just threw away a #8 pick and a #35 pick. Neither of those moves will improve the team now even a little. For those moves to pan out we have to be worse than the TWolves in 2030 and the 2031 pick has to be 7 or better. Dilly will be a 6 year pro by the time that happens. If any player picked 8 or later from this draft makes an all rookie team, the spurs will have shot themselves in the foot once again. Pop, RC and Wright most likely won't be around in 2030, so their actions will affect the people in charge then. Some front office we have.

[TD 21]

I like Melton at the 1. Defense and shooting is a must alongside the big 4 of Wemby, Sochan, Castle, Vassell.

If his spinal issue checks out medically, I would think he'd be the number one target. He's not as big all around as Brogdon and a different type of player, but it's the same general idea of having multiple ball handlers, improved floor spacing and switch ability.

Harris, Marshall, Prince and Bey seem like other realistic options from this list.

[benefactor]

Trade for Corey Kispert pls

[KobesAchilles]

We are getting Lauri anyways so it doesn’t matter who the free agents are

[heyheymymy]

Yeah not really expecting any big splash with FAs

Batum or Naji Marshall would be realistic and solid

KCP would be a home run and Fontecchio would get on base

[SpurSpike]

Anyone else getting beautyrest pop-ups in these articles now? Super annoying.

[Eaglenole2002]

Anyone else getting beautyrest pop-ups in these articles now? Super annoying.
Yep. It somehow popped up like five or six times while reading the article. Ridiculous.

[Dejounte]

Anyone else getting beautyrest pop-ups in these articles now? Super annoying. timvp has to pay those hamsters somehow

[couchman]

Anyone else getting beautyrest pop-ups in these articles now? Super annoying.

Yea and I had to close it something like 6 times just to get through the article, which repeatedly said, “Haha you expect the Spurs to sign anyone good!? Not a chance!”

[Mr. Body]

After the draft carnage we all need some beauty rest.

[R. DeMurre]

Inexpensive options could be players like Bitadze and Delon Wright, both of whom have figured out how to be impactful and relatively error-free in limited minutes, but I doubt the Spurs pursue even that route. I'll be happy to be wrong, but I'd bet the approach to this season is another soft tank job, where sophistry masquerades as nuance and Brian Wright says things like, "we're not trying to lose, but we're prioritizing development over winning" and "we value continuity as a core element of our approach."

[scott]

Next year the free agency class is always better, until it arrives and then it isn’t.

Yep, this was supposed to be a great summer for FAs. Folks keep trying to tell everyone that none of this list of blockbuster FAs would actually end up FAs and sure enough, here we are.

Muh Cap Space crew will never learn their lesson.

[poopbox]

Next year the free agency class is always better, until it arrives and then it isn’t.

Even if it was better the Spurs wouldn't sign anyone anyway.

The only notable free agents we have signed in 4 years are Doug McDermott and Zach Collins who was completely toxic because of his season ending foot and ankle injuries :rollin

Looking at Brian Wrights track record the last thing you probably want him to be doing is trying to convince an nba player to play in SA.

[Knoxxx]

So the consensus seems to be no FAs worth adding but haha made ya look!

(personally I think veteran salaries are largely out of control and bad deals)

[scott]

After the moves we made at the draft, there smartest thing for the Spurs to do is to basically stand pat on this also-ran list of FAs. Like others have mentioned, only 1+1 deals on some vets who maybe can add some semblance of structure, maybe the the allure for the player of showing something and getting traded at the deadline.

The Spurs clearly do not place a priority on adding talent to the team right now. To punt on #8 and #35 only to give a stupid contract to one of these scrubs would be truly bonkshit crazy.

I do love seeing this slow changing of tune by the sniffers who said we should be done with tanking now buying into PAFTO's decision to soft tank yet again.

[spurraider21]

Insert steaming pile of shit gif

[Knoxxx]

It’s not a soft tank but an incidental tank. If we mostly just run with what we had while adding Castle, that’s a bet on existing players improving and also team synergy. That’s not a deliberate tank.

If we can bring a player of Castle’s caliber in every draft that’s a reasonable process to follow even if it’s not the quick fix we all want it this give it to me now society. We like to open our x-mas presents early if we can get away with it.

The larger blueprint could be to play 2024 UConn and 2014 Spurs ball where players are part of system that keeps their individual numbers lower. But the team wins and the players are happy and agree to team friendly deals. Sort of an egalitarian system aside from Wemby. And if they don’t like that, we offload them for draft assets and always keep that war chest well stocked.

Also part of the draft replenishment approach to manage payroll is the pick swaps. That’s a bet on ourselves to return to dominance, while we avoid relying on our own watered down draft picks to sustain it.

[scott]

It’s not a soft tank but an incidental tank. If we mostly just run with what we had while adding Castle, that’s a bet on existing players improving and also team synergy. That’s not a deliberate tank.

If we can bring a player of Castle’s caliber in every draft that’s a reasonable process to follow even if it’s not the quick fix we all want it this give it to me now society. We like to open our x-mas presents early if we can get away with it.

The larger blueprint could be to play 2024 UConn and 2014 Spurs ball where players are part of system that keeps their individual numbers lower. But the team wins and the players are happy and agree to team friendly deals. Sort of an egalitarian system aside from Wemby. And if they don’t like that, we offload them for draft assets and always keep that war chest well stocked.

Also part of the draft replenishment approach to manage payroll is the pick swaps. That’s a bet on ourselves to return to dominance, while we avoid relying on our own watered down draft picks to sustain it.

Normally I'd agree with you... but the bet on existing players improving + adding one of the greatest rookies of all time led us to the exact same record last year.

Call it a soft tank, or an incidental tank, or an Abrams Tank it's clear that it's not a prioritization on adding talent to the roster in a meaningful way. That's what I call a soft tank (as opposed to a hard tank, where the FO strips assets off the team to be worse).But I'm fine with whatever tank-related nomenclature we decide upon :lol

[scott]

I'll add... yes, maybe the internal growth of the team plus the addition of Castle leads to +10 wins this year, and we're a 32 win team (very possible). It's still far less than we'd achieve with a concerted effort to improve the talent on the team, apparently done because our focus is the 2025 draft. That's what I call soft tank. Essentially: don't make roster moves to sacrifice your projected draft position = soft tank. Hard tank would be making moves (roster moves or coaching decisions) to purposely improve your draft position.

[koriwhat]

We going to sign Barlow to a real contract or literally let him go for nothing which it seems is happening unfortunately.

[Roscoe P. Coltrane]

We going to sign Barlow to a real contract or literally let him go for nothing which it seems is happening unfortunately.
He is hot garbage.

[J_Paco]

as another poster mentioned Simone Fontecchio would be a nice addition as well.

Simone isn't a floor raising signing, but he"d definitely be a good signing to strengthen the combo forward depth.

And he's an elite knock down shooter from 3 (42.6% last season) which the team badly needs. I would love them acquiring him to start or be the first forward - him and Julian are tweeners, so they can interchangeable play SF/PF - off the bench.

I hope he's on their target list.

[baseline bum]

The problem with the spurs is they can make moves(usually just small ones) , they just don't - or mess up the ones they can make. They basically just threw away a #8 pick and a #35 pick. Neither of those moves will improve the team now even a little. For those moves to pan out we have to be worse than the TWolves in 2030 and the 2031 pick has to be 7 or better. Dilly will be a 6 year pro by the time that happens. If any player picked 8 or later from this draft makes an all rookie team, the spurs will have shot themselves in the foot once again. Pop, RC and Wright most likely won't be around in 2030, so their actions will affect the people in charge then. Some front office we have.

Disagree. Looks like stockpiling assets to make a Bridges, Durant, PG13 kind of trade without leaving their draft cupboard bare the way the Knicks, Suns, and Clippers have in those trades.

[scott]

Disagree. Looks like stockpiling assets to make a Bridges, Durant, PG13 kind of trade without leaving their draft cupboard bare the way the Knicks, Suns, and Clippers have in those trades.

C'mon man, you've been a Spurs fan long enough than to fall victim to the promise of some future big trade. Unless Brian Wright knows Holt will sell them team and he'll get fired so he's setting up some other ownership and front office to make a big move :lol

[baseline bum]

C'mon man, you've been a Spurs fan long enough than to fall victim to the promise of some future big trade. Unless Brian Wright knows Holt will sell them team and he'll get fired so he's setting up some other ownership and front office to make a big move :lol

Sounds more reasonable than they did it because they're cheap when they have to hit a salary floor anyways and rookie contracts are cheap.

[DAF86]

Only one from that list I would consider is Malik Beasley as a 3 and D prospect for the future.

[timvp]

What a depressing list. I’d add Gary Trent to this list though. Good shooter and TOR is moving on from him.

I’m liking the trade market better.

Trent should be there. I must have accidentally deleted him.

[timvp]

Its not going to happen, but still.. just for a hypothetical case... why shouldn't the Spurs pursue Paul George in free agency? He is a free agent and it won't cost any draft picks to get him.. it might require, as Chinook pointed out, for the Spurs to jettison Calamity Branham and Keldon Johnson apart from getting out of Devonte Graham's contract, but these are doable, isn't it and won't cost much, am I right?

George doesn't "fit" the Spurs timeline but he is a versatile player who can aid in the development of Wemby, Castle, Vassell and Sochan even further and by the time, his behemoth 4-year 200 million $ odd contract comes to an end, Wemby will be out of his rookie scale and they should be able to capitalize on their draft picks with some good talent in the next 2-3 years too. Why shouldn't the Spurs try to get George offering him a chance to play for Pop and to play with a genuine once-in-a-generation up and comer talent in Wemby? timvp?

Just too much of a timeline mismatch, IMO. Flexibility if a younger star becomes available is more important.

[DPG21920]

Just too much of a timeline mismatch, IMO. Flexibility if a younger star becomes available is more important.

Odds SA tries to trade way to some upgrades this season even if more minor?

[DAF86]

Just too much of a timeline mismatch, IMO. Flexibility if a younger star becomes available is more important.
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[timvp]

If his spinal issue checks out medically, I would think he'd be the number one target. He's not as big all around as Brogdon and a different type of player, but it's the same general idea of having multiple ball handlers, improved floor spacing and switch ability.


Yeah, I think I prefer Melton if he's healthy. If the Spurs are trying to build the type of multi-ballhandling, switch-everything team the Castle pick suggests they are trying to build, Melton is a damn good fit as the fifth starter.

But, tbh, I don't know for sure that's the type of team the Spurs are trying to build. And Melton might be broken -- spinal injury doesn't sound good.

[timvp]

Odds SA tries to trade way to some upgrades this season even if more minor?

Probably just as likely as a free agent signing. But it'd be difficult to pinpoint targets.

[Chinook]

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Yes, it's what I consider a bad opinion. People have them, DAF. Need I direct you to the article lauding them trading Dillingham so you can see what one looks like?

[DAF86]

Yes, it's what I consider a bad opinion. People have them, DAF. Need I direct you to the article lauding them trading Dillingham so you can see what one looks like?

No, need. I already have your "Spurs should go for George or Butler" as example. Just busting your balls, tbh. :lol

[itzsoweezee]

Need a point guard and backup center over anything else. They don’t need to be special, just average level players will yield a huge improvement from last season

[DAF86]

Need a point guard and backup center over anything else. They don’t need to be special, just average level players will yield a huge improvement from last season

Point guards will be Castle and Tre and Collins will have to play because of his contract. Spurs need 6'9 / 6'10" wings that can defend and shoot the 3.

[itzsoweezee]

Point guards will be Castle and Tre and Collins will have to play because of his contract. Spurs need 6'9 / 6'10" wings that can defend and shoot the 3.

Castle at point guard is wishful thinking. And isn’t this Collins’ last contract year? He doesn’t need more playing time. We’ve seen what he’s capable of and it’s not pretty.

[objective]

I really hope they just throw Castle into the deep end and let him go be a dog. Pop screaming at him every step of the way.

Pop hasn't been screaming for years.

[onechance87]

Point guards will be Castle and Tre and Collins will have to play because of his contract. Spurs need 6'9 / 6'10" wings that can defend and shoot the 3.

if we want wemby to get to his potential asap,We need a real pg who can shoot and pass.The obvious choice is tyus jones.
I dont want to fuck with wembys growth another year.

[spurraider21]

Only one from that list I would consider is Malik Beasley as a 3 and D prospect for the future.
He’s 27, not a “prospect for the future” :lol

[DAF86]

Castle at point guard is wishful thinking. And isn’t this Collins’ last contract year? He doesn’t need more playing time. We’ve seen what he’s capable of and it’s not pretty.

Collins has two more years. If we ever want to trade him, he needs to play.

I don't if Castle playing PG is wishful thinkg but that's where the kid wants to play, that's where reports say Pop plans to play him, and that's where the Spurs would get the most out of him.

[DAF86]

He’s 27, not a “prospect for the future” :lol

I know how old he is. The same as Cam Johnson, who I want to trade for. You can easily get 7 to 10 more years from a 27 year old in today's sports, tbh.

Maybe "prospect" wasn't the best choice of word. I meant a player that can develop chemistry and be worked into the core for years to come.

[Chinook]

No, need. I already have your "Spurs should go for George or Butler" as example. Just busting your balls, tbh. :lol

I didn't misunderstand that. Regardless, it's odd that someone who's covered the Spurs as long as timvp would get caught up in the myth of timelines. Timelines are not real. Windows are, though. If Wemby develops the way he should, the Spurs will have a natural window in four to six seasons. However, Victor's talent combined with the Spurs' assets and flexibility can allow them to potentially open an earlier window in about a year or two if they are sufficiently aggressive. Think of it like Tim's natural window being 2003 to 2007 but him being drafted by a vet playoff team meaning that 1999 was an option. I wouldn't consider George or Butler quite enough to get there. They'd either need another piece or for a young guy to step up. It would be more like if they got Curry, Lebron or Kawhi (who had a full, healthy season somehow).

From everything they've said, the Spurs seem to be almost completely focused on waiting until Wemby's natural window opens. The issue with that is that most of their assets will be used by then. Unless they trade picks for future selections over and over, they're going to end up wasting a lot of cap and assets on pieces that won't help with the natural window which could've been used for the early window -- think more Branhams and Osmans. It's like how one poster suggested the Spurs could "roll cap over" when that's not a thing.

I could pull a you and make a whole thread about this. I don't know if there will be a sufficiently evocative event for me to post it to create maximum confusion though. Also scott made a post going more into this sort of concept last year when I was filling the niche you currently occupy.

[DAF86]

if we want wemby to get to his potential asap,We need a real pg who can shoot and pass.The obvious choice is tyus jones.
I dont want to fuck with wembys growth another year.

Well, PATFO already made their choice, and they decided to go with Castle for the time being. It makes no sense to add another PG and create a logjam. At least not during this offseason. If during the season Castle proves to be a better option as a wing than as a PG, then you can start to think about adding another PG.

[jjspur]

Disagree. Looks like stockpiling assets to make a Bridges, Durant, PG13 kind of trade without leaving their draft cupboard bare the way the Knicks, Suns, and Clippers have in those trades.

What's the point if you hurt your team , like to spurs did when they traded Poeltl for a 2024 pick that ended up getting traded for 2030 pick that may not convey at all and a 2031 pick that will convey but may not be better than the #8 you originally traded. Not sure I see the positive side of that trade. Stockpiling assets is fine, just use then when you can, just don't kick it half a decade or more down the road.

It would be nice if the spurs could trade an asset that far in advance for something of value now, but I don't think most NBA teams fall for that trick. Like I've said before, I think that there are two camps in the spurs front office. One that makes good common sense decisions and one that makes bad ones. This one was the latter.

Years ago when the spurs were a good team, 1st rounders barely played or were stuck in Austin or Europe because the roster was so good. Those days are long gone. We need the talent now, not 7 years in the future. I think we can all agree on that.

[DPG21920]

Probably just as likely as a free agent signing. But it'd be difficult to pinpoint targets.

Thoughts on something like my Lavine for Keldon+Collins deal where CHI lowers the pick protections from 10,8 and 8 to 2, 2, 2? If SA isn’t going to use space or sign anyone really, what does it hurt especially if its Keldon/Collins going out that negate a lot of Lavines money years 1 & 2?

[DAF86]

I didn't misunderstand that. Regardless, it's odd that someone who's covered the Spurs as long as timvp would get caught up in the myth of timelines. Timelines are not real. Windows are, though. If Wemby develops the way he should, the Spurs will have a natural window in four to six seasons. However, Victor's talent combined with the Spurs' assets and flexibility can allow them to potentially open an earlier window in about a year or two if they are sufficiently aggressive. Think of it like Tim's natural window being 2003 to 2007 but him being drafted by a vet playoff team meaning that 1999 was an option. I wouldn't consider George or Butler quite enough to get there. They'd either need another piece or for a young guy to step up. It would be more like if they got Curry, Lebron or Kawhi (who had a full, healthy season somehow).

From everything they've said, the Spurs seem to be almost completely focused on waiting until Wemby's natural window opens. The issue with that is that most of their assets will be used by then. Unless they trade picks for future selections over and over, they're going to end up wasting a lot of cap and assets on pieces that won't help with the natural window which could've been used for the early window -- think more Branhams and Osmans. It's like how one poster suggested the Spurs could "roll cap over" when that's not a thing.

I could pull a you and make a whole thread about this. I don't know if there will be a sufficiently evocative event for me to post it to create maximum confusion though. Also scott made a post going more into this sort of concept last year when I was filling the niche you currently occupy.

Sure, if besides Paul George, we could add a Steph Curry, I would be down with your idea, because that team would be good enough to contend. But adding just a Paul George or a Jimmy Butler does nothing more than have guys like Castle and Vassell take a backseat, give assets away and get a worse draft pick, only for us to lose in the first round of the playoffs.

Even if we manage to create a good enough team to semi-contend in 2 or 3 years, it would all be in vain, since by that point we would need to replace George/Butler before the window is really open.

[DAF86]

Probably just as likely as a free agent signing. But it'd be difficult to pinpoint targets.

Cam Johnson seems like a no-brainer target, tbh.

[TD 21]

Well, PATFO already made their choice, and they decided to go with Castle for the time being. It makes no sense to add another PG and create a logjam. At least not during this offseason. If during the season Castle proves to be a better option as a wing than as a PG, then you can start to think about adding another PG.

This whole thing is being looked at as too black and white in terms of archaic positional labels.

They need another starting caliber, secondary ball handler type, who can space the floor.

That balance would ensure that they wouldn't be putting too much on Castle's plate to be a lead guard or relegating him too much to off ball duties.

[Chinook]

What's the point if you hurt your team , like to spurs did when they traded Poeltl for a 2024 pick that ended up getting traded for 2030 pick that may not convey at all and a 2031 pick that will convey but may not be better than the #8 you originally traded. Not sure I see the positive side of that trade. Stockpiling assets is fine, just use then when you can, just don't kick it half a decade or more down the road.

It would be nice if the spurs could trade an asset that far in advance for something of value now, but I don't think most NBA teams fall for that trick. Like I've said before, I think that there are two camps in the spurs front office. One that makes good common sense decisions and one that makes bad ones. This one was the latter.

Years ago when the spurs were a good team, 1st rounders barely played or were stuck in Austin or Europe because the roster was so good. Those days are long gone. We need the talent now, not 7 years in the future. I think we can all agree on that.

Two things that constantly get overlooked when saying the Dillingham trade was to help create a superstar package is that.

a) Teams tend to want young players as part of those types of trades, so there's more value in using that pick and having them play well than turning them into a faceless future pick that's fungible compared to the picks already in the stockpile

b) Major trades devastate depth, so using the pick on a player who can backfill for a more important/experienced player who had to be traded away also makes sense.

From where the roster is, this trade can only be understood in the context of "The Spurs did not like anyone else in the first round of the draft at all". The Spurs will almost inevitably be proven wrong in that someone in that 8-34 range will show themselves to be worth more than MIN31. At the same time, you can't expect scouting departments to be psychic. Everyone has misses. If it ends up that a whole bunch of players in the 8-15 range are worth more than a distant unprotected first, however, then it's a major black eye on the scouting department and more evidence that the basketball operations structure needs to be disassembled from foundation to roof and a new, better version put in its place.

[DPG21920]

Cam Johnson seems like a no-brainer target, tbh.

Im all for spurs improving and using trades, but feels like Cam make take more of a premier pick to get than I would like. Im good with CHA pick and 2nds and maybe a heavily protected future first for a good player, but unless its someone we see that fits alongside the young core for a good while, Im not giving up CHI pick or any of ATL or any Spurs picks that aren’t heavily protected.

I would love Cam for Keldon type deal, but if he cost a premium first I am probably out.

[scott]

I didn't misunderstand that. Regardless, it's odd that someone who's covered the Spurs as long as timvp would get caught up in the myth of timelines. Timelines are not real. Windows are, though. If Wemby develops the way he should, the Spurs will have a natural window in four to six seasons. However, Victor's talent combined with the Spurs' assets and flexibility can allow them to potentially open an earlier window in about a year or two if they are sufficiently aggressive. Think of it like Tim's natural window being 2003 to 2007 but him being drafted by a vet playoff team meaning that 1999 was an option. I wouldn't consider George or Butler quite enough to get there. They'd either need another piece or for a young guy to step up. It would be more like if they got Curry, Lebron or Kawhi (who had a full, healthy season somehow).

From everything they've said, the Spurs seem to be almost completely focused on waiting until Wemby's natural window opens. The issue with that is that most of their assets will be used by then. Unless they trade picks for future selections over and over, they're going to end up wasting a lot of cap and assets on pieces that won't help with the natural window which could've been used for the early window -- think more Branhams and Osmans. It's like how one poster suggested the Spurs could "roll cap over" when that's not a thing.

I could pull a you and make a whole thread about this. I don't know if there will be a sufficiently evocative event for me to post it to create maximum confusion though. Also scott (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=150) made a post going more into this sort of concept last year when I was filling the niche you currently occupy.

Ironically, as much on the same page we are about windows, it's actually the source of our difference of opinion on Lauri.

I see Lauri as the kind of guy you can acquire and have around for the early window and the natural window, and then add another high end piece (ex: PG13) in the early window while Wemby is on his rookie deal.

Its not important and it's fine we disagree and I'm not trying to convince you of anything on Lauri, just pointing out that this windows comment can still lead to disagreement on the proper deployment of assets in these windows.

[DAF86]

Im all for spurs improving and using trades, but feels like Cam make take more of a premier pick to get than I would like. Im good with CHA pick and 2nds and maybe a heavily protected future first for a good player, but unless its someone we see that fits alongside the young core for a good while, Im not giving up CHI pick or any of ATL or any Spurs picks that aren’t heavily protected.

I would love Cam for Keldon type deal, but if he cost a premium first I am probably out.

The max I would be willing to give up for a Cam Johnson type player is Keldon, a top 20 protected first round pick and maybe the Cha pick. 3 and D role players shouldn't cost much more than that, tbh.

[DPG21920]

The max I would be willing to give up for a Cam Johnson type player is Keldon, a top 20 protected first round pick and maybe the Cha pick. 3 and D role players shouldn't cost much more than that, tbh.

I agree but Im saying I think it will take more as Cam will be sought after I am guessing.

[Dejounte]

Stephon doesn’t need to be a volume 3 pt shooter to be the lead guard of the team. Lead guard duties involve much more than pulling up for a 3. Tre spent much time as a PG controlling the pace of the offense and setting others up. He had three 3 pt attempts per game. That’s as much attempts a lead guard in this Spurs offense will need because they will he busy being quarterbacks of the offense. Yes, that point needs to be able to hit shots when Wemby or other players are generating those open looks, but most of the time that won’t be the case. It’s my opinion anyway that Castle won’t be abysmal in that area (catch and shoot 3’s) that it won’t be impossible for him to reach Tre’s 3 pt percentages last season as a baseline. It’s completely overstated that the future point guard of this team NEEDS to be a 3 pt specialist or above average shooter. The more important skills at lead guard are being able to be a POA defender and to be able to be enough of a threat on offense that they can cause the defense to collapse. Being an ace shooter from the 3 pt line is secondary.

[DAF86]

Stephon doesn’t need to be a volume 3 pt shooter to be the lead guard of the team. Lead guard duties involve much more than pulling up for a 3. Tre spent much time as a PG controlling the pace of the offense and setting others up. He had three 3 pt attempts per game. That’s as much attempts a lead guard in this Spurs offense will need because they will he busy being quarterbacks of the offense. Yes, that point needs to be able to hit shots when Wemby or other players are generating those open looks, but most of the time that won’t be the case. It’s my opinion anyway that Castle won’t be abysmal in that area (catch and shoot 3’s) that it won’t be impossible for him to reach Tre’s 3 pt percentages last season as a baseline. It’s completely overstated that the future point guard of this team NEEDS to be a 3 pt specialist or above average shooter. The more important skills at lead guard are being able to be a POA defender and to be able to be enough of a threat on offense that they can cause the defense to collapse. Being an ace shooter from the 3 pt line is secondary.

I've seen POA as a big talking point in this forum, but how much does that really matter when teams nowadays just create switches and attack whoever they choose from the opposing team. Switchability is more relebant than POA, tbh.

[Chinook]

Sure, if besides Paul George, we could add a Steph Curry, I would be down with your idea, because that team would be good enough to contend. But adding just a Paul George or a Jimmy Butler does nothing more than have guys like Castle and Vassell take a backseat, give assets away and get a worse draft pick, only for us to lose in the first round of the playoffs.

Even if we manage to create a good enough team to semi-contend in 2 or 3 years, it would all be in vain, since by that point we would need to replace George/Butler before the window is really open.

I'm not talking about Curry and George -- that's impossible. I'm talking about Curry and a bunch of win-now vets (think KCP, Bruce Brown) or George and either add one of the younger vets people think would be a good second banana to Wemby like Garland or someone like Vassell takes the next step to being a stable 20-plus ppg scorer who makes his teammates better. Unless Curry becomes available this summer, I don't see any reason to focus on this window until the trade deadline when they can see if where Wemby is.

In "2 or 3 years" you don't have to replace George. You add to him. PG moves over to be the third banana, someone new is the second banana and Wemby is the undisputed first banana. Think of the relationship between Duncan, Parker and Kawhi circa 2015. Hopefully that second guy is someone the Spurs already have on their roster who's organically improved ala Leonard. But because the team has so many assets and because we're talking about Wemby on either a rookie contract or in the first year of a tier-1 max, there should be room to add that guy through other means.

And no, before you jump in, that's not evidence for why the Spurs should tank. Yes, it would be great if they could guarantee themselves a young stud. But they can't guarantee that they'll be in position to draft a great prospect nor that that prospect will pan out. That's why making both picks this year and hoping at least one of them developed to hit that groove was so important. Even if he remained flawed, a Dillingham who's blossomed into a Young-lite would've been huge for an old PG who could get it done sometimes but needed to take a step back and a Wemby in his early prime who just needed somebody to punish defenses that tried to focus too much on him.

[Dejounte]

I've seen POA as a big talking point in this forum, but how much does that really matter when teams nowadays just create switches and attack whoever they choose from the opposing team. Switchability is more relebant than POA, tbh.

Yes, both are important. When the opposing ball handler isn’t contained though, it has disastrous effects on our overall defense. If Castle is switched onto Brunson because Brunson has the ball, that’s the POA. If Castle is on Durant because he switched on him and Durant has the ball, that’s the POA. Point is, we need to stop the bleeding at POA and having someone who is good at on ball defense is advantageous.

[Mr. Body]

I've seen POA as a big talking point in this forum, but how much does that really matter when teams nowadays just create switches and attack whoever they choose from the opposing team. Switchability is more relebant than POA, tbh.

What about when that player is really good at navigating screens? You can't just politely ask defenders to get switched up when you can't switch them up.

[KobesAchilles]

Stephon doesn’t need to be a volume 3 pt shooter to be the lead guard of the team. Lead guard duties involve much more than pulling up for a 3. Tre spent much time as a PG controlling the pace of the offense and setting others up. He had three 3 pt attempts per game. That’s as much attempts a lead guard in this Spurs offense will need because they will he busy being quarterbacks of the offense. Yes, that point needs to be able to hit shots when Wemby or other players are generating those open looks, but most of the time that won’t be the case. It’s my opinion anyway that Castle won’t be abysmal in that area (catch and shoot 3’s) that it won’t be impossible for him to reach Tre’s 3 pt percentages last season as a baseline. It’s completely overstated that the future point guard of this team NEEDS to be a 3 pt specialist or above average shooter. The more important skills at lead guard are being able to be a POA defender and to be able to be enough of a threat on offense that they can cause the defense to collapse. Being an ace shooter from the 3 pt line is secondary.
It’s posts like this which prove you don’t follow other teams besides the Spurs in the NBA or even follow the nba at all. Yeah the lead guard has to shoot more than 3 three pointer a game.

In the past decade there has been only one team whose point guard didn’t shoot 5 threes a game and make them at a high level. And that was the LA Lakers in the bubble year.

[Chinook]

Ironically, as much on the same page we are about windows, it's actually the source of our difference of opinion on Lauri.

I see Lauri as the kind of guy you can acquire and have around for the early window and the natural window, and then add another high end piece (ex: PG13) in the early window while Wemby is on his rookie deal.

Its not important and it's fine we disagree and I'm not trying to convince you of anything on Lauri, just pointing out that this windows comment can still lead to disagreement on the proper deployment of assets in these windows.

Oh, I'm aware we still have our differences of opinion. I don't think either of us have moved from our positions so much as the circumstances have changed to where the common ground we share is more prominent.

My particular take (because as I told DAF, we all have our own ideas on specifically what works) on the windows argument was that the Spurs could only open the first window by getting a Shaq for Wemby's Wade. I think the path forward if the Spurs woke up with a hangover and found Lauri in bed with them is that they'd need to be even more aggressive to acquire a third star to fill the gaps. That's similar to how you mentioned George, but I'd prefer a guard for balance's sake. If I had my druthers, the team to be aggressive with whom they pursue as their second star rather than being aggressive in pursuing two additional stars. But as you said, that's just a difference of opinion.

If this next year goes the way I expect it to, DAF will be right with us frustrated with the front office's lack of action while someone like ATL is making threads telling us why 2026 is worth tanking for.

[Dejounte]

It’s posts like this which prove you don’t follow other teams besides the Spurs in the NBA or even follow the nba at all. Yeah the lead guard has to shoot more than 3 three pointer a game.

In the past decade there has been only one team whose point guard didn’t shoot 5 threes a game and make them at a high level. And that was the LA Lakers in the bubble year.

And it’s posts like this that show how much better it is to talk basketball with other people on this website than someone like you who accuse me of things you know nothing about. I’m giving your post a hard pass and will look for someone else who I can take seriously and won’t waste my time.

[Knoxxx]

Normally I'd agree with you... but the bet on existing players improving + adding one of the greatest rookies of all time led us to the exact same record last year.

Call it a soft tank, or an incidental tank, or an Abrams Tank it's clear that it's not a prioritization on adding talent to the roster in a meaningful way. That's what I call a soft tank (as opposed to a hard tank, where the FO strips assets off the team to be worse).But I'm fine with whatever tank-related nomenclature we decide upon :lol

Normally I'd agree with you...but while I'm not one to argue trivial semantics in this case I don't think soft tank quite captures the situation. Are we going to win 50 games next year? Of course nobody thinks that, which is around where we'd be thought of an actual contender at all. It is unprovable otherwise that adding Castle + retaining the core does not result in 30 wins or perhaps on the high side about 40. The potential to improve at a satisfactory rate is therefore in the realm of possibilities for our current roster. Spurs went 11 wins 12 losses over their last 23 games. 7 of the losses were by single digits and of those, 3 were by only 2 points. And no, the other teams weren't tanking as was the case the prior year.

I want my X-mas gifts early but the ability to take on bad salaries and overpaid vets is high and there is evidence that the team is on the appropriate track. Going from 30 wins to 40 wins to 50 is doable while being patient is possible without doing much, and their remains a possibility we skip the first step there and come in near .500 in 2024-5 with current roster. 30 wins is better from a team building perspective (25 draft), but I think we have too much momentum going to be that bad. I also think it is Wemby, more than anyone, that charts the course and determines were we land in that 30-40 win range next season.

We also saw that our 2nd tier roster players fit will with Wemby, so continuity as a path towards improvement is not something to dismiss as improbable.

[CGD]

Cam Johnson seems like a no-brainer target, tbh.

Could you imagine the freak out here if the Spurs pay Marks’ 2 FRP price for him though? That’s what it would take (at least).

[timvp]

Chris Paul, come on down?

[Mr. Body]

Could you imagine the freak out here if the Spurs pay Marks’ 2 FRP price for him though? That’s what it would take (at least).

Yep. Cam Johnson is going to be expensive. I don't think people here are prepared for the cost. They just want something to happen.

[TD 21]

Stein continuing to claim the Spurs have "strong interest in Paul" . . . down to possibly his final season and with his family in L.A., I can't imagine he doesn't end up either in L.A. or with the Suns.

The more interesting part to me is, does this signal they do in fact prefer more of a true PG or is this just an exception because of his pedigree?

[Chinook]

Chris Paul, come on down?

He's a good candidate. But we'll have to see if the Spurs waive Graham first.

[Dejounte]

He's a good candidate. But we'll have to see if the Spurs waive Graham first.
Why exactly do they need to waive Graham first? If Graham doesn’t get waived today and in the coming days, does that mean a trade is likely?

[DPG21920]

Chris Paul, come on down?

You’d think he would just go to Lakers or Clippers no?

[scott]

Gotta sign Chris Paul so that Castle can spend more time in Austin?

[jjspur]

Stein continuing to claim the Spurs have "strong interest in Paul" . . . down to possibly his final season and with his family in L.A., I can't imagine he doesn't end up either in L.A. or with the Suns.

The more interesting part to me is, does this signal they do in fact prefer more of a true PG or is this just an exception because of his pedigree?

Yeah, Paul seemed very comfy in Phoenix before they decided he wasn't worth 30 million any more, but I'm sure he'd be just as comfy playing with his old pal Lebron. Instead of the Lakers being known as the purple and gold, they'll be known as the whiney and old.

[RC_Drunkford]

fuck Chris Paul

[Mr. Body]

I wonder if they were trying to trade for CP with Graham and it didn't work out.

[Chinook]

Why exactly do they need to waive Graham first? If Graham doesn’t get waived today and in the coming days, does that mean a trade is likely?

If the Spurs were holding Graham to facilitate a Paul trade (as GS was holding Paul to facilitate a George trade), then Paul being waived and the Spurs intend to sign him outright, it means Graham's contract is no longer useful. If they're smart, they'll still trade him for the extra salary. But depending on how much Paul gets from a potential SA deal, they might not care enough about the $2.8 Million to give up whatever assets it takes to discharge it.

[scott]

I guess Paul brings mentor value... but is he even better than Tre Jones at this point?

[RC_Drunkford]

OKC is tryin to sign Hartenstein

[Pauleta14]

I guess Paul brings mentor value... but is he even better than Tre Jones at this point?

Definitely not in terms of defensive intensity, but his game management IQ, decent shooting and elite passing makes him a lot more valuable than Tre, but with much less PT

[DAF86]

I'm not talking about Curry and George -- that's impossible. I'm talking about Curry and a bunch of win-now vets (think KCP, Bruce Brown) or George and either add one of the younger vets people think would be a good second banana to Wemby like Garland or someone like Vassell takes the next step to being a stable 20-plus ppg scorer who makes his teammates better. Unless Curry becomes available this summer, I don't see any reason to focus on this window until the trade deadline when they can see if where Wemby is.

In "2 or 3 years" you don't have to replace George. You add to him. PG moves over to be the third banana, someone new is the second banana and Wemby is the undisputed first banana. Think of the relationship between Duncan, Parker and Kawhi circa 2015. Hopefully that second guy is someone the Spurs already have on their roster who's organically improved ala Leonard. But because the team has so many assets and because we're talking about Wemby on either a rookie contract or in the first year of a tier-1 max, there should be room to add that guy through other means.

And no, before you jump in, that's not evidence for why the Spurs should tank. Yes, it would be great if they could guarantee themselves a young stud. But they can't guarantee that they'll be in position to draft a great prospect nor that that prospect will pan out. That's why making both picks this year and hoping at least one of them developed to hit that groove was so important. Even if he remained flawed, a Dillingham who's blossomed into a Young-lite would've been huge for an old PG who could get it done sometimes but needed to take a step back and a Wemby in his early prime who just needed somebody to punish defenses that tried to focus too much on him.

In 3 years Geoege has a bigger chance of being out of the league, than being a third banana, tbh.

[MultiTroll]

elite passing
Huh?

Elite ballhog. Yet another dipstick from the Kobme Bryant mold that disaffected an entire generation.
Turns to assist ratio is not good.

Bigger the game bigger the choke generally speaking.

[The Truth #6]

I'm sort of expecting whatever they do will be either disappointing or surprising. If I had to guess, probably some guard or Wing from Europe who is great at shooting and horrible at defense and comes very cheaply.

[Pauleta14]

Huh?

Elite ballhog. Yet another dipstick from the Kobme Bryant mold that disaffected an entire generation.
Turns to assist ratio is not good.

Bigger the game bigger the choke generally speaking.

elite pick and roll passing, yes

Look I hate the dude too but it'd be fo a bench/mentor role, not ball in hands to finish games

[jeebus]

Chris Paul, come on down?

https://twitter.com/ChrisBHaynes/status/1807572545853407401

[BackHome]

I am going to laugh so hard if all this maneuvering was to get some old has been :lmao

[DPG21920]

Ugh…I mean I guess lol

Hope its a tiny one year deal (I mean it can be 2 years, but want 2nd year non-guaranteed or team option)

Better than nothing I guess, but not exactly what I was hoping for. He’s really bad on defense, cant be relied upon for much else other than accurate lobs/passes and obviously didnt show he had much left in the tank on GS.

I dont *hate* (unless it’s a crappy contract) but I also just kind of feel meh about it and its not enough of a justification to punt the 8th pick so hoping theres some more to this off season

But he definitely pushes one or both of Branham/Blake down the rotation that’s for sure with now Castle/CP on the roster.

[timvp]

Chris Paul, come on down?

Tbh. He was the Spurs 5:01 call. Not sure that's a great thing but I can't complain about the contract. CP3 is annoying but he's a vet the youngins will listen to.

[Brazil]

I'm against Spurs signing a good PG. Minutes at that spot should be given to Tre and Castle. Castle will need minutes playing PG to develop. It will likely cost some games to Spurs but it will be worth it in the long run (unlike Sochan playing PG...).

Caleb Martin is my #1 target for Spurs. Heat likely won't be able to keep him:
https://x.com/TheDunkCentral/status/1807169256322482483

well... :lol