View Full Version : Olympic Qualifying: France vs Turkey, July 3, 2:10 CT tip off
Obstructed_View
07-03-2024, 02:06 PM
https://www.nba.com/watch/event/france-vs-turkey
Watch free on NBA TV
ace3g
07-03-2024, 02:08 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1grB0w02bwA
scott
07-03-2024, 02:08 PM
This is a friendly, not a qualifier, correct? France is directly qualified I believe.
ace3g
07-03-2024, 02:10 PM
This is a friendly, not a qualifier, correct? France is directly qualified I believe.
Yeah, France has already qualified.
Obstructed_View
07-03-2024, 02:11 PM
Yeah, France has already qualified.
Figured somebody would find something to bitch about. I just didn't want anyone to miss the game.
heyheymymy
07-03-2024, 02:13 PM
thanks for doing a proper thread O_V
Robz4000
07-03-2024, 02:13 PM
Det pass by Wemby
ace3g
07-03-2024, 02:14 PM
Nice high-low from Wemby to Gobert.
Obstructed_View
07-03-2024, 02:15 PM
Det pass by Wemby
Betcha a dollar Victor learns more from Chris Paul than the other guys do.
BatManu20
07-03-2024, 02:15 PM
Nice high-low pass from Wemby to Gobert to start the game
ChumpDumper
07-03-2024, 02:18 PM
https://www.nba.com/watch/event/france-vs-turkey
Watch free on NBA TV
Also on the Roku Channel.
Obstructed_View
07-03-2024, 02:18 PM
Such a sexy drop pass
Degoat
07-03-2024, 02:20 PM
Maybe wemby should play with another big next to him lol
BatManu20
07-03-2024, 02:20 PM
11-1 France. This could get ugly quick. Turkey can’t score on these cats and too much size on the offensive end as well.
heyheymymy
07-03-2024, 02:21 PM
That block by Wemby was skilled
Obstructed_View
07-03-2024, 02:21 PM
Maybe wemby should play with another big next to him lol
It's amazing watching him with a well-coached team. He separates from a defender and they have the ball waiting for him.
Raven
07-03-2024, 02:23 PM
illegal tbh
FNT looks like better passers than the Spurs, tbh
Degoat
07-03-2024, 02:26 PM
The good thing about wemby playing in these Olympics is hoping he can improve on his conditioning, that was one of the things he struggled with last season
Degoat
07-03-2024, 02:27 PM
Surprised the spurs never targeted Theo Maldon, he’s been available
Obstructed_View
07-03-2024, 02:31 PM
FNT looks like better passers than the Spurs, tbh
Better defenders too.
Obstructed_View
07-03-2024, 02:32 PM
Better defenders too.
I say that right as they start reaching in. :lol
LeBowen
07-03-2024, 02:34 PM
I'm afraid we won't see much of Wemby, Turkey is just awful.
Those couple of passes were enough for me.
He's going to have Giannis level playmaking this season.
We don't need any more creators with CP3, Devin, Castle, Tre and Wemby on the roster.
Just get some reliable shooters.
ChumpDumper
07-03-2024, 02:36 PM
Sure Les Bleus look great, but they're playing against a team with two basketball players and ten Istanbul dockworkers.
Pauleta14
07-03-2024, 02:45 PM
I'm afraid we won't see much of Wemby, Turkey is just awful.
Those couple of passes were enough for me.
He's going to have Giannis level playmaking this season.
We don't need any more creators with CP3, Devin, Castle, Tre and Wemby on the roster.
Just get some reliable shooters.
Sure Les Bleus look great, but they're playing against a team with two basketball players and ten Istanbul dockworkers.
It's just the 1st preparation game guys
The goal is just to try stuff, get some rythm et to know each other etc
the scoring doesn't matter really
Seventyniner
07-03-2024, 02:46 PM
Sure Les Bleus look great, but they're playing against a team with two basketball players and ten Istanbul dockworkers.
It's still fun to watch Wemby clown all over them.
Degoat
07-03-2024, 02:46 PM
He’s Him
fck being patient go get Markkanen
LeBowen
07-03-2024, 02:47 PM
CP3 about to average 12apg.
Guru of Nothing
07-03-2024, 02:47 PM
Didn't take Batum long to figure out how to feed a lob to Wemby.
MultiTroll
07-03-2024, 02:47 PM
Betcha a dollar Victor learns more from Chris Paul than the other guys do.
I believe Victors BBIQ is much higher then CPOs.
It's amazing watching him with a well-coached team. He separates from a defender and they have the ball waiting for him.
Agree 100.
We can only hope it happens sometime in the NBA future.
ace3g
07-03-2024, 02:48 PM
https://x.com/ClutchPoints/status/1808588393535742300
spurraider21
07-03-2024, 02:48 PM
Surprised the spurs never targeted Theo Maldon, he’s been available
he's been very bad in the NBA
DAF86
07-03-2024, 02:50 PM
The passes don't even have to be good, just throw it up there and Vic is gonna do the rest. :lol
John B
07-03-2024, 03:14 PM
Ronny Turiaf echoing Spurs is where they want Wemby to be from day one, getting the support to be successful.
https://x.com/ClutchPoints/status/1808588393535742300
Something our team struggled with literally all season, the FNT already understands and is doing multiple times a game. :lol :pop:
LeBowen
07-03-2024, 03:23 PM
I just want an explanation from any of the tank proponents: how the hell do you tank with Wemby on the roster and quarter of the league intentionally tanking?
He's going to be a top5 player in the league next season.
baseline bum
07-03-2024, 03:24 PM
FNT looks like better passers than the Spurs, tbh
Thankfully won't be the case with CP3 and Castle now playing important roles on the team.
spurraider21
07-03-2024, 03:26 PM
Chinook's brain short-circuiting after seeing these lobs
Racspur1
07-03-2024, 03:27 PM
:bobo
Thankfully won't be the case with CP3 and Castle now playing important roles on the team.
Agreed. I should be more clear, I'm talking the 23-24 squad. Next season should be an entirely different story, thank the BB gods.
baseline bum
07-03-2024, 03:31 PM
Ronny Turiaf echoing Spurs is where they want Wemby to be from day one, getting the support to be successful.
Crap I missed it
John B
07-03-2024, 03:32 PM
Bobo taking leadership business school at Harvard? :bobo
Obstructed_View
07-03-2024, 03:33 PM
I just want an explanation from any of the tank proponents: how the hell do you tank with Wemby on the roster and quarter of the league intentionally tanking?
He's going to be a top5 player in the league next season.
The Spurs coaching staff sucks. Victor's teammates don't seem to know how to pass to him. There are reasons for concern. .
But yeah, I think a team with Victor and Paul is a win now team. Add someone like Markkanen and you have a playoff team that can make Dallas and Minnesota nervous.
Leetonidas
07-03-2024, 03:33 PM
Chinook's brain short-circuiting after seeing these lobs
"He wasnt actually open"
BatManu20
07-03-2024, 03:34 PM
1808591786287190502
baseline bum
07-03-2024, 03:36 PM
Damn that spin move followed by Wemby blocking a three
RC_Drunkford
07-03-2024, 03:40 PM
wow Wemby can play together with another big. How surprising...
Chinook
07-03-2024, 03:41 PM
Chinook's brain short-circuiting after seeing these lobs
I caught a couple of minutes and had to work. What did I miss?
i mean fiba is not the nba they actually play basketball in Europe not entrainment streetball like here.
siraulo23
07-03-2024, 03:43 PM
Wemby just showing off now
siraulo23
07-03-2024, 03:44 PM
24 points, lobs/dunks, a couple of threes
Obstructed_View
07-03-2024, 03:47 PM
Victor with a MattBonner-like +44
John B
07-03-2024, 03:48 PM
Wemby with 24
objective
07-03-2024, 03:50 PM
how the hell do you tank with Wemby on the roster and quarter of the league intentionally tanking?
:pop: "Leave that to me."
lefty20
07-03-2024, 03:53 PM
I just want an explanation from any of the tank proponents: how the hell do you tank with Wemby on the roster and quarter of the league intentionally tanking?
He's going to be a top5 player in the league next season.
We're gonna make you play PG. Buckle up boyo!
DAF86
07-03-2024, 03:54 PM
I caught a couple of minutes and had to work. What did I miss?
Actually good passers showing just how easy it is to just lob it to Wemby every single time down the court. For real, Wemby could literally average 20 ppg just out of lobs, if his teammates knew how to actually pass.
Joseph Kony
07-03-2024, 03:55 PM
I just want an explanation from any of the tank proponents: how the hell do you tank with Wemby on the roster and quarter of the league intentionally tanking?
He's going to be a top5 player in the league next season.
-start Collins next to him
-play him 28mpg
-load manage CP3
-play Sochan/Branham/Wesley lineups
done deal
Chinook
07-03-2024, 03:59 PM
Actually good passers showing just how easy it is to just lob it to Wemby every single time down the court. For real, Wemby could literally average 20 ppg just out of lobs, if his teammates knew how to actually pass.
Didn't he play PF for much of the game? I'm not dismissing what happened, because there's literally no downside to Wemby scoring off lobs. But if you think him playing the four in the NBA wouldn't work because of a bunch of factors, why would you assume lobs would work the same?
DAF86
07-03-2024, 04:02 PM
Didn't he play PF for much of the game? I'm not dismissing what happened, because there's literally no downside to Wemby scoring off lobs. But if you think him playing the four in the NBA wouldn't work because of a bunch of factors, why would you assume lobs would work the same?
Nope, he played PF alongside Rudy for the first 5 minutes of the game. Not conincidentally, his least productive stint (only 2 pts in 5 minutes, compared to 22 in 14 minutes at center). He started getting all those lobs as the center, setting all the screens.
If the lobs work in FIBA, where everything is more congested, they will work in the NBA. You just need better personel.
KobesAchilles
07-03-2024, 04:07 PM
Actually good passers showing just how easy it is to just lob it to Wemby every single time down the court. For real, Wemby could literally average 20 ppg just out of lobs, if his teammates knew how to actually pass.
I had to listen to Chinook for half the season explain how difficult it was to throw a lob pass to a 7ft 5 guy. Then he explained how it was impossible to throw lobs to Wemby and meanwhile the Mavs somehow threw 60 lobs to their center and France is showing exactly how easy it is to throw lobs to Wemby. Wild takes found only on Spurstalk
Chinook
07-03-2024, 04:09 PM
Nope, he played PF alongside Rudy for the first 5 minutes of the game. Not conincidentally, his least productive stint (only 2 pts in 5 minutes, compared to 22 in 14 minutes at center). He started getting all those lobs as the center, setting all the screens.
If the lobs work in FIBA, where everything is more congested, they will work in the NBA. You just need better personel.
FIBA has a much less even talent level than the NBA. Apparently Turkey was missing their top guys and is not a qualifying team anyway. If Wemby was playing center around four perimeter guys, were things still congested?
BatManu20
07-03-2024, 04:09 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GRl3gYPWUAAEWX7?format=jpg&name=large
Spurs Homer
07-03-2024, 04:11 PM
Contrast those easy lobs for dunks and you would have had....
vassell dribbling for 18 seconds AWAY from wemby and launching a fallaway 35 footer...
sochan dribbling into the middle and bringing his defender over so he can help wembys defender
zollins launching a 35 foot brick
branham dribbling into traffic and looking wemby off to shoot a contested two and misses
wesley shooting an airball
Chinook
07-03-2024, 04:12 PM
I had to listen to Chinook for half the season explain how difficult it was to throw a lob pass to a 7ft 5 guy. Then he explained how it was impossible to throw lobs to Wemby and meanwhile the Mavs somehow threw 60 lobs to their center and France is showing exactly how easy it is to throw lobs to Wemby. Wild takes found only on Spurstalk
Pretty sure Wemby got his fair share of lobs during the season and I was pointing out why the plays people would complain about were not good examples.
But I guess it's easy to pretend I made an extreme black-and-white take so can feel better about yourself.
DAF86
07-03-2024, 04:17 PM
FIBA has a much less even talent level than the NBA. Apparently Turkey was missing their top guys and is not a qualifying team anyway. If Wemby was playing center around four perimeter guys, were things still congested?
More congested than the NBA without a doubt. Not only you have more space because the 3pt line is farther from the basket, you also have no 3 seconds rule in Fiba. Also, Fiba always tends to play bigger than the NBA. The lineup the Turks were trotting out there wasn't smaller than your average NBA team.
I recomend you to watch the game before arguing just for the sake of arguing, tbh.
Chinook
07-03-2024, 04:19 PM
More congested than the NBA without a doubt. Not only you have more space because the 3pt line is farther from the basket, you also have no 3 seconds rule in Fiba. Also, Fiba always tends to play bigger than the NBA. The lineup the Turks were trotting out there wasn't smaller than your average NBA team.
I recomend you to watch the game before arguing just for the sake of arguing, tbh.
I watched the first-half highlights. I guess we'll have to see when the full-game highlights come out.
But no, I don't think we're going to see a ton to show that Turkey's B-team is comparable to an NBA team defensively.
Obstructed_View
07-03-2024, 04:20 PM
Pretty sure Wemby got his fair share of lobs during the season
Um whut?
DAF86
07-03-2024, 04:21 PM
I had to listen to Chinook for half the season explain how difficult it was to throw a lob pass to a 7ft 5 guy. Then he explained how it was impossible to throw lobs to Wemby and meanwhile the Mavs somehow threw 60 lobs to their center and France is showing exactly how easy it is to throw lobs to Wemby. Wild takes found only on Spurstalk
Chinook has always been kind of a contrarian, tbh. When everyone and their mothers already knew Kawhi > Aldridge, he insisted it was better for the Spurs to have Aldridge as the #1 option for some obscure reason.
When everybody realized Aldridge was better off becoming the center of the team because of the way the NBA was heading, Chinook was still coming up with moves to get centers.
Now that everybody realizes that the Wemby lobs could be weaponized a lot more if not for the lack of talent and IQ of the rest of the roster, he says it is Wemby's fault.
exstatic
07-03-2024, 04:23 PM
I just want an explanation from any of the tank proponents: how the hell do you tank with Wemby on the roster and quarter of the league intentionally tanking?
He's going to be a top5 player in the league next season.
Can’t do it. That became obvious down the stretch last year. They were 6-4 at the end, with 2 starters and our 6th man shut down.
Chinook
07-03-2024, 04:32 PM
Chinook (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=37557) has always been kind of a contrarian, tbh.
Bro, you literally just made a whole thread that caused a bunch of people to go at you just to talk about why I was wrong, and I'm the contrarian?
When everyone and their mothers already knew Kawhi > Aldridge, he insisted it was better for the Spurs to have Aldridge as the #1 option for some obscure reason.
I think you're referring to you saying Aldridge not being winning ball and that Aldridge needed to be traded. I very much believed his post-ups were better to build an offense around than an iso game from the perimeter. It turned out we all got to see that with DeRozan anyway. Kawhi was a budding superstar, but no one's been able to build a system around him.
When everybody realized Aldridge was better off becoming the center of the team because of the way the NBA was heading, Chinook was still coming up with moves to get centers.
The Spurs never didn't have centers with Aldridge. I think it would be one thing arguing I believed in Aldridge finding his old self longer than others who wanted to move on to Poeltl would make more sense as the example here.
Now that everybody realizes that the Wemby lobs could be weaponized a lot more if not for the lack of talent and IQ of the rest of the roster, he says it is Wemby's fault.
I think people who don't understand that bigs need to develop an off-ball game and not just be tall and athletic are just looking at it superficially. I think we're going to see a lot of improvement in Victor's lob game this year, and a lot of people are going to miss the things he's doing differently and just assume it's all Paul being a magic passer -- even though he'll show that same improvement when Paul isn't throwing the ball.
Chinook
07-03-2024, 04:46 PM
Um whut?
Victor was eighth in the lead in dunks and third in alley-oop finishes behind Claxton and Gobert. Both of those guys played more minutes than him, though Claxton still beat him per minute. I'll have to crunch the team alley-oop stats, but I imagine they're above average and were even before Wemby joined. A lot of the talk about the Spurs being bad at the passes is unfounded.
ace3g
07-03-2024, 04:52 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaGnYkhIDaQ
DAF86
07-03-2024, 04:53 PM
Bro, you literally just made a whole thread that caused a bunch of people to go at you just to talk about why I was wrong, and I'm the contrarian?
The only folks "going at me" were the ones thinking I was excusing the FO for trading the picks, when I never did that.
I think you're referring to you saying Aldridge not being winning ball and that Aldridge needed to be traded. I very much believed his post-ups were better to build an offense around than an iso game from the perimeter. It turned out we all got to see that with DeRozan anyway.
I think Aldridge ball not being winning ball has pretty much been cemented, tbh. Or are you still trying to argue otherwise? :lol
Also, I said DeRozan ball was just as bad as Aldridge ball, so I don't know why you try to bring him up as if that would make any kind of point in your favour.
Kawhi was a budding superstar, but no one's been able to build a system around him.
The Spurs built a B2B 60+ wins seasons system with Kawhi as their #1. The Raptors built a championship winning one.
I think people who don't understand that bigs need to develop an off-ball game and not just be tall and athletic are just looking at it superficially.
I think a lot of us do. That's why we see Victor and see how smart and active he's moving off the ball. Maybe is you the one that needs to see less superficially.
I think we're going to see a lot of improvement in Victor's lob game this year, and a lot of people are going to miss the things he's doing differently and just assume it's all Paul being a magic passer -- even though he'll show that same improvement when Paul isn't throwing the ball.
Sure, if Victor suddenly starts getting a lot more lobs, it will be because of improvements Victor made, not because of adding an all-time great lob passer. How convenient.
KobesAchilles
07-03-2024, 05:07 PM
Victor was eighth in the lead in dunks and third in alley-oop finishes behind Claxton and Gobert. Both of those guys played more minutes than him, though Claxton still beat him per minute. I'll have to crunch the team alley-oop stats, but I imagine they're above average and were even before Wemby joined. A lot of the talk about the Spurs being bad at the passes is unfounded.
In the second half of the season when we actually started running an offense and playing through him. That’s when we started throwing lobs like crazy to him. Which is why in my post I said I had to listen for you HALF the season. As in the 1st half of the season we didn’t throw him many lobs and we were throwing shit passes to him. That’s just a fact. You can try to sugarcoat it anyway you want but there was example after example of Wemby calling for lobs and the players not giving it to him and you defending them saying how hard it is to throw a lob to a 7ft 5 guy.
Newsflash: It isn’t hard to do. And yet you still stand by it for some reason
KobesAchilles
07-03-2024, 05:17 PM
Anyways I didn’t mean to shit on Chinook. I meant it more like a good times good times thing. Chinook is our resident cap expert and I agree with him on a lot of things. I also agree with Lebowen. Fuck the tank. We have our generational talent. Pop only has 2 more seasons max. Wemby needs to know the expectations of a winning franchise and how to deal with being a leader. Getting Lauri for KJ and 3 FRPs is a no brainer. No team who has tanked for multiple seasons has ever won a title. So I don’t know where this notion of tanking brings championships comes from. Tanking brings you your foundational player. After that you don’t tank and do your best to win. Plus doesn’t anybody actually trust Brian Wrong anymore?
Chinook
07-03-2024, 05:20 PM
In the second half of the season when we actually started running an offense and playing through him. That’s when we started throwing lobs like crazy to him. Which is why in my post I said I had to listen for you HALF the season. As in the 1st half of the season we didn’t throw him many lobs and we were throwing shit passes to him. That’s just a fact. You can try to sugarcoat it anyway you want but there was example after example of Wemby calling for lobs and the players not giving it to him and you defending them saying how hard it is to throw a lob to a 7ft 5 guy.
Newsflash: It isn’t hard to do. And yet you still stand by it for some reason
I think it's easy to remember things off the top of your head and assume they worked that way without trying to evidence it. The point I was making wasn't that the Spurs didn't have offensive issues. We all know they sucked the first half of the season, and we all know why. The question is, were the Spurs particularly bad at throwing lobs. This is how it broke down, according to NBA.com
TEAM
D MAKE
D ATTS
D%
L MAKE
L ATTS
L%
TOT MAKE
TOT ATTS
TOT%
UTH
105
109
96.3%
32
52
61.5%
137
161
85.1%
DAL
104
117
88.9%
18
35
51.4%
122
152
80.3%
ATL
88
95
92.6%
27
47
57.4%
115
142
81.0%
BRK
79
88
89.8%
38
36
105.6%
117
124
94.4%
SAS
53
61
86.9%
33
50
66.0%
86
111
77.5%
BOS
59
73
80.8%
23
36
63.9%
82
109
75.2%
DEN
73
81
90.1%
14
26
53.8%
87
107
81.3%
CLE
75
83
90.4%
14
21
66.7%
89
104
85.6%
LAL
62
66
93.9%
28
37
75.7%
90
103
87.4%
MIN
79
84
94.0%
8
19
42.1%
87
103
84.5%
MKE
56
63
88.9%
23
30
76.7%
79
93
84.9%
CHA
65
73
89.0%
11
16
68.8%
76
89
85.4%
GS
58
60
96.7%
18
29
62.1%
76
89
85.4%
LAC
52
60
86.7%
13
24
54.2%
65
84
77.4%
ORL
44
50
88.0%
18
26
69.2%
62
76
81.6%
POR
36
43
83.7%
20
33
60.6%
56
76
73.7%
DET
49
57
86.0%
11
14
78.6%
60
71
84.5%
MIA
37
46
80.4%
16
22
72.7%
53
68
77.9%
OKC
39
43
90.7%
12
21
57.1%
51
64
79.7%
WSH
31
36
86.1%
18
26
69.2%
49
62
79.0%
MEM
26
33
78.8%
8
16
50.0%
34
49
69.4%
SAC
26
30
86.7%
16
18
88.9%
42
48
87.5%
IND
32
36
88.9%
6
10
60.0%
38
46
82.6%
TOR
21
24
87.5%
15
21
71.4%
36
45
80.0%
NYK
25
30
83.3%
7
15
46.7%
32
45
71.1%
PHL
22
25
88.0%
9
18
50.0%
31
43
72.1%
PHX
15
19
78.9%
9
16
56.3%
24
35
68.6%
NOP
15
17
88.2%
12
16
75.0%
27
33
81.8%
CHI
10
11
90.9%
5
5
100.0%
15
16
93.8%
HOU
8
8
100.0%
0
2
0.0%
8
10
80.0%
So it looks like the Spurs were above-average in lob attempts (5th), though their conversion percentage was not great (23rd). Some fans wanted to lay the explanation of those missed connections solely on the Spurs being a terrible passing team, and that was silly. A lot of those passes were ill-advised attempts to get a Wemby who wasn't open the ball in the belief that they could just "throw it up there and he'll get it". Of course that doesn't mean the passers couldn't improve, just as Wemby would. Paul will hopefully get Castle on the right track and help the others. But the thing that will help the conversion chances the most will be the team as a whole getting the timing down appropriately. The big shouldn't be under the basket calling for the ball like he's a shooter on the perimeter, especially when there were multiple defenders specifically watching him looking for the pass. That's not a good passing window. Maybe this Turkey game will show Victor in similar situations. But I don't believe it will.
Chinook
07-03-2024, 05:23 PM
Anyways I didn’t mean to shit on Chinook. I meant it more like a good times good times thing. Chinook is our resident cap expert and I agree with him on a lot of things. I also agree with Lebowen. Fuck the tank. We have our generational talent. Pop only has 2 more seasons max. Wemby needs to know the expectations of a winning franchise and how to deal with being a leader. Getting Lauri for KJ and 3 FRPs is a no brainer. No team who has tanked for multiple seasons has ever won a title. So I don’t know where this notion of tanking brings championships comes from. Tanking brings you your foundational player. After that you don’t tank and do your best to win. Plus doesn’t anybody actually trust Brian Wrong anymore?
My whole thing is that Wemby is going to be so much better than he is now, and I don't know if many people have accepted that. He has to be allowed to take his lumps and improve rather than having people try to cause rifts with his teammates or force the Spurs into going all-in on him. He's hopefully going to grow crazy fast, but he still has to be allowed to be a raw player and a young man.
Obstructed_View
07-03-2024, 05:23 PM
Victor was eighth in the lead in dunks and third in alley-oop finishes behind Claxton and Gobert. Both of those guys played more minutes than him, though Claxton still beat him per minute. I'll have to crunch the team alley-oop stats, but I imagine they're above average and were even before Wemby joined. A lot of the talk about the Spurs being bad at the passes is unfounded.
Comparing him to regular people is beyond retarded. He got missed on more passes than anyone else had dunks. Saying "he got his share" is embarrassing. Doubling down on it with stats is, well, only something you would do. :lol
Chinook
07-03-2024, 05:29 PM
Comparing him to regular people is beyond retarded. He got missed on more passes than anyone else had dunks. Saying "he got his share" is embarrassing. Doubling down on it with stats is, well, only something you would do. :lol
I mean, yes, I don't think it's a bad thing to show Wemby was targeted for a ton of lobs and that the Spurs were one of the lobbier teams in the NBA to counteract the idea that the team is full of terrible passers who couldn't see a guy wide open. Wemby is superlative, but there are other prolific lob-catchers in the NBA. A lot of them lack his extreme profile, but they also have better technique, and that shows in the conversion stats. I don't think it's helpful to go "we all know the missed him a ton" without trying to evidence it. I think a lot of folks who "know" that assumed Wemby SHOULD be able to do all this stuff at this level beyond anyone else as a rookie, and when he was just top-three assumed there had to be some unique reason to explain it other than him and the team being young and trying to learn how to make lobs work at the NBA level.
r0drig0lac
07-03-2024, 05:33 PM
best player in the world
KobesAchilles
07-03-2024, 06:24 PM
My whole thing is that Wemby is going to be so much better than he is now, and I don't know if many people have accepted that. He has to be allowed to take his lumps and improve rather than having people try to cause rifts with his teammates or force the Spurs into going all-in on him. He's hopefully going to grow crazy fast, but he still has to be allowed to be a raw player and a young man.
He will be better. And I expect him to be better going forward when he’s 25-30. He needs to grow as a player and learn how to play ofc. I don’t think that Wemby himself forces the Spurs to go all in trading for Lauri, but rather than the situation itself forces the Spurs to go all in.
1. Paul aside, we still have one of the youngest rosters in the league. Adding a 27 year old doesn’t make the team very old going forward. And a perfect fit for Wemby too in a shooter who doesn’t need all the touches. Also it doesn’t kill our future to trade away our picks and keep Atlanta’s picks. I mean 3FRPs from the Spurs and the Chi pick seems like an offer Utah would take. We still would have picks in each draft if we did that.
2. Pop is very old and maybe has 2 more seasons in him as a coach. On a personal note, I’d like to see him go out on a winner instead of whimpering on another tanking team. The team needs to learn how to win and Wemby needs to n ow the standard sooner rather than later.
3. How competent is our FO? Do we trust them in choosing right draft pick. Everybody’s of the same opinion to put the future of the franchise in Brian Wrongs hands going forward and tbh I think that is a bad decision. I personally believe that getting a known commodity over Wrongs “known” commodity isn’t worth the gamble.
4. And speaking of gambles, what if we end up doing really well next season and get the 12th pick in the draft and our own picks are consistently in the 12-14 range. Are we saying that Lauri isn’t better than picks in the 12-15 range? We are so sure that we can find the diamond in the rough even though we constantly choose the wrong player when we are in that range? Theres no guarantee that we will end up in the top 4 again next year. Odds are we would be around 12
Ice009
07-04-2024, 04:26 AM
What's the link to those dunks, lobs stats page on NBA.com?
heyheymymy
07-04-2024, 07:47 AM
I know it's Turkiye but Wemby looked like a basketball super soldier yesterday
heyheymymy
07-04-2024, 07:52 AM
2:23 - that Wemby block on the three point line and the handles on the steal recovery like Wemby has the ball on a yo-yo.
AusSpur
07-04-2024, 08:38 AM
Is it just me, or does he look like he has more control of of massive limbs in this game - making him more agile and faster.
pad300
07-04-2024, 09:48 AM
Hey, does France have Nolan Traore (17 year old PG) playing? If yes, how did he do?
stnick2261
07-04-2024, 10:03 AM
Hey, does France have Nolan Traore (17 year old PG) playing? If yes, how did he do?
It looks like France is going veteran-heavy. Wemby is the only young guy. Traore, Risaccher and Sarr aren't listed on the preliminary roster.
Chinook
07-04-2024, 10:11 AM
It looks like France is going veteran-heavy. Wemby is the only young guy. Traore, Risaccher and Sarr aren't listed on the preliminary roster.
I think I saw Coulibaly on the roster too, though I only saw him during garbage time.
R. DeMurre
07-04-2024, 10:28 AM
You know Wemby is thinking about how legendary a gold medal at his first Olympics, in Paris, over the USA would be...
Ice009
07-04-2024, 01:13 PM
I think I saw Coulibaly on the roster too, though I only saw him during garbage time.
He played earlier in the game too.
Did you happen to have the link to those lob/dunk stats from NBA.com that you posted above. I wouldn't mind taking a look there. I can't seem to find it.
Chinook
07-04-2024, 01:19 PM
He played earlier in the game too.
Did you happen to have the link to those lob/dunk stats from NBA.com that you posted above. I wouldn't mind taking a look there. I can't seem to find it.
I had to actually make that list myself by going into the team stats of each NBA team and looking at their alley-oop attempts. For example if you go here: https://www.nba.com/stats/team/1610612759/shooting?SeasonType=Regular+Season
And scroll all the way down to where it says "Shot Type", the top two results are "Alley Oop Dunk Shot" and "Alley Oop Layup Shot". I went through every team's page and pulled that data, plunked it into Excel and made a table. I imagine a more savvy person than I could've run script to scrape that data, but that's not in my wheelhouse.
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