DeRozan back with the Spurs?

[benefactor]

1808695129684799978
Welp

[SpursFan86]

If the Spurs do this I will just lose all hope in the FO. It’s so damn obvious we need shooting :lol Not exactly rocket science.

[T Park]

If the Spurs do this I will just lose all hope in the FO. It’s so damn obvious we need shooting :lol Not exactly rocket science.



lol you people seriously turn this down?


Good Christ

[Degoat]

I’d say it’s less than a 5% chance of happening but… I bet they’ve discussed a 1 year deal if Demar can’t find a deal some place else to keep the books freed up

[timvp]

Please no, tbh. Might as well bail out Bryn Forbes from prison and re-sign him while they're at it.

[benefactor]

I mean where in the hell does he fit? I don't get this at all

[Degoat]

It’s called talent acquisition men, you trade them at the deadline for more seconds lol

[Leetonidas]

:vomit:

[objective]

This would be more about 'doing the right thing by players'.

It would be to get DeRozan to a respectable contract number above the mle for like a 1+1 so DDR could save face then trading him where he wanted to go at the deadline.

Pop loves DDR and crying all over him, this is there ultimate player favor

:pop: "This is who we are."

[Chinook]

As I said in the other thread, there are off-seasons where this made sense. He's a good player and play-maker. He's embraced playing more PF now, which addresses a lot of his short-comings. The Spurs could've drafted shooters that needed someone to provide vertical pressure and passing, and DeRozan, even combined with Paul, could've done that well. But they basically did the opposite of that, so outside of a major trade that moves multiple non-shooters and brings in a shooter or two, I don't see how this would work. Even on a one-year "we'll trade you or waive you so you can go to a contender at the deadline" contract ala Paul, it wouldn't be okay.

[scott]

This would be more about 'doing the right thing by players'.

It would be to get DeRozan to a respectable contract number above the mle for like a 1+1 so DDR could save face then trading him where he wanted to go at the deadline.

Pop loves DDR and crying all over him, this is there ultimate player favor

:pop: "This is who we are."

Sadly, could absolutely see this happening.

[NASpurs]

The CP3 thing I get, the guy has a lot to teach and he's been credited by others in helping them reach a higher level. WTF has DDR ever done :lol

[scott]

It’s called talent acquisition men, you trade them at the deadline for more seconds lol

Can the seconds be 400 light years away? Because now Brian Wright is interested.

[R. DeMurre]

Seems like the ultimate bad move-- it raises the floor and gets some wins, making next year's draft pick worse, while there's zero chance he's part of a future Wemby championship team. Also, as a trade asset, DDR's value might be at an all time low.

[BatManu20]

Not happening tbh.

[Leetonidas]

Seems like the ultimate bad move-- it raises the floor and gets some wins, making next year's draft pick worse, while there's zero chance he's part of a future Wemby championship team. Also, as a trade asset, DDR's value might be at an all time low.

Lakers might be desperate and LeBron may force them to do something at the deadline. We could squeeze a pick and Hachimura out of them

[Kindergarten Cop]

I can honestly this as the Spurs FO doing DeRozan a solid by appearing to show that there is at least one more team interested in his services (although the Spurs showing interest doesn't carry the same weight as it did 20 years ago, when we heard agents use the Spurs name as leverage EVERY offseason) - when in reality, the fit is not there.

[mystargtr34]

Hell no.

Derozan is a 6’6 Dejounte Murray/Russell Westbrook. Big name with empty calorie stats. He’s useless without the ball in his hands (can’t shoot, doesn’t defend, doesn’t cut or occupy defenders off the ball). And if the ball is in his hands your not doing shit in the playoffs.

The ball will be in Wemby and Chris Paul’s hands. Than Vassell and Castle as tertiary playmakers.

[vy65]

July is mental health awareness month

[timtonymanu]

Would be a bad fit. Of course T Pork approves though lol.

[SpursFan86]

It’s not even so much about wanting us to be bad next year, or thinking DDR is a bad player. I just think it’d legitimately hamper VW’s development. Get him some fucking spacing and stop bringing on non-shooters. It’s not a good fit at all given the rest of the roster so I really hope this isn’t actual interest on the Spurs’ side.

[DPG21920]

It maybe made sense before CP3, but Chinook has pretty much nailed it. Only scenario (and its a sh*tty one) where it’s remotely justified is if SA is a cap space team, signs him to 1 year deal for remaining space after CP3 and then simply thinks they can trade him vs just not using the money on anyone.

But it’s alarming at this point that SA punts pick 8 and is on the verge of CP3 and/or CP3/DeRozan being their only new addition(s) to the team after what we saw last season. I dont see how that is even possible

[gilmor2002]

Def no

[GAustex]

Please no

[spursparker9]

For vet min, I am okay.

[slick'81]

Desperation much

[Mr. Body]

Not entirely opposed if it's a single season or single year plus something easily tradeable. The young players clearly need excellent vets to help scaffold what they're growing into. Team badly needs a shot-getter from the perimeter.

But Paul does all this. Again, absolutely not opposed. These are exactly the players to teach and learn from. Can move to a contender that badly needs them. Don't see it though.

[TD 21]

Even though it's probably a remote possibility at best, that's still the scariest thing I've seen in a long time.


This would be more about 'doing the right thing by players'.

It would be to get DeRozan to a respectable contract number above the mle for like a 1+1 so DDR could save face then trading him where he wanted to go at the deadline.

Pop loves DDR and crying all over him, this is there ultimate player favor

:pop: "This is who we are."

Even in that scenario, if they reacquire him or Scumbag (obviously never happening) ever again, I'm out.

[Mr. Body]

Be funny if he signs for like $15 or something and both him and CP get traded as a package to a contender of their choice at the deadline. Instant veteran backcourt.

[Mugen]

Please no, tbh. Might as well bail out Bryn Forbes from prison and re-sign him while they're at it.

Mfer stole my joke tbh.

[BatManu20]

DeMar iso’ing on one side of the cart while Wemby stands in the opposite corner. Just what we need tbh.

[John B]

The ball stops in Delmar’s hands where it should be on CP3 as the primary ball handler. And Demar is bad playing off ball for not a shooter.

[Chinook]

DeRozan would also be an upgrade to Keldon off the bench. If for some reason the Spurs found themselves moving Johnson in a separate deal, sixth-man DeMar would probably fill it up. While I think Jones and DeRozan could survive so long as everyone else in the lineup were a good shooter, the current concepts of the bench have shaky shooters like Branham and Collins. Only Champangie is decent, and even he's more streaky than good. Maybe they can check to see if the Pacers are willing to sign-and-trade McD back to them.

[slick'81]

I get him and pop have a great relationship but hell no to the cripster

[Pauleta14]

Short contract and 6th man role wouldn't be stupid

2 savvy vets to mentor the youngsters

[DPG21920]

DeRozan would also be an upgrade to Keldon off the bench. If for some reason the Spurs found themselves moving Johnson in a separate deal, sixth-man DeMar would probably fill it up. While I think Jones and DeRozan could survive so long as everyone else in the lineup were a good shooter, the current concepts of the bench have shaky shooters like Branham and Collins. Only Champangie is decent, and even he's more streaky than good. Maybe they can check to see if the Pacers are willing to sign-and-trade McD back to them.

Do you think DeRozan, in a season where he wants to ensure max value due to not having suitors, would be cool coming off bench?

[baseline bum]

Do you think DeRozan, in a season where he wants to ensure max value due to not having suitors, would be cool coming off bench?

Yeah not seeing it either

[024]

Please no. Does not fit with the starting lineup at all. And giving minutes to Branham and Wesley even if they're playing like trash is still more valuable.

[JR3]

This is not a good fit. I’d take it for the right deal but I’m struggling with the on court benefit.

[flox]

Yes. I want him to teach his footwork to our guards for sure. A great low-risk signing with high upside, I hope we finalize the contract tomorrow. Having Castle guard him in practice would be great for his development. Not like we're winning anything this season anyway.

[taps]

Hell to the Naw Naw

[KobesAchilles]

Pop really hates 3 pointers.

[scott]

1808713859810656748

These are takes of actual Spurs fans. No wonder the FO doesn't feel any heat to build a serious team.

[Chinook]

Do you think DeRozan, in a season where he wants to ensure max value due to not having suitors, would be cool coming off bench?

I don't think DeRozan is in line to start on any contender. The issues he'd face with the Spurs he'd face anywhere. Other places have more shooting but would be harder pressed to win and thus couldn't have a non-shooter and non-defender start. That said, he's not like Paul -- DeMar had a great year last year. No one's going to doubt his ability if he comes in and is a sixth man, because that's what they'd want him to be too. If the Spurs showed him the money, I don't think he'd have a big of an issue with it as you do. If starting is more important than money, I think he'd've been able to find some bad team to give him the nod.

[scott]

To be fair... we were all afraid the Spurs would just run it back + two rookies, but HAHA jokes on us, they're revamping the team with one rookie, CP3 and Delmar!

[TDomination]

Off the bench, sure

[offset formation]

Please no, tbh. Might as well bail out Bryn Forbes from prison and re-sign him while they're at it.

You just made me want him

[spurraider21]

Time to reopen the oncology clinic

[offset formation]

Not sure how the roster would shake out but something like this probably:

1st team:
CP3
Vassell
Demar
Sochan
Wemby

2nd team:
Castle
Keldon
Champagnie
Mamu/Cissoko
Bassey/Collins

3rd team:
Tre
Wesley
Branham
Cissoko/Mamu
Collins/Bassey

Interesting rotations with lots of hurt feelings on that 3rd team I'm guessing.

[slick'81]

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[Robz4000]

:rollin

[offset formation]

DeRozan would also be an upgrade to Keldon off the bench. If for some reason the Spurs found themselves moving Johnson in a separate deal, sixth-man DeMar would probably fill it up. While I think Jones and DeRozan could survive so long as everyone else in the lineup were a good shooter, the current concepts of the bench have shaky shooters like Branham and Collins. Only Champangie is decent, and even he's more streaky than good. Maybe they can check to see if the Pacers are willing to sign-and-trade McD back to them.

Demar won't be the 6th man.

[sfernald]

Demar is taking 3 3pointers a game and he’s 25/5/5 and he can play sg, sf and pf so he has incredible positional versatility. Plus he’s another vet to help out the younglins; for 15Mil wtf is not to like!? Let’s just get him to double his three point attempts and try hard on d?

[venitian navigator]

If the FO goes on thinking next year is a (maybe the last) stealth tanking/improvement year, having two veterans like Paul and DDR makes sense...also because does not compromise our possible packages for a 2025 free agent possible trade (and on the contrary both players could also possibly be traded for more draft capital).
I like Markkanen but not at the point to sacrifice the farm (like Ainge is probably going to ask actually), expecially considering he's just a one year rental (at least at the moment)...in 2025 we have players, cap space and draft capital to trade for whoever we prefer (obviously if available...but a lot of teams are more than probably going to change their plans at the end of next season and some star is more than probably gonna be more than available for the right price).
Its almost totally clear the 2025 summer is the summer of definitive "building the contender" season, where we should have at least 2 lottery picks (our and Atlanta; its clearer and clearer that che Charlotte and Chicago's ones are not conveying and that they are probably never conveiyng, destined as they are to transform themeselves in time in second round choices).
Frankly i'm still a little disappointed we didn't completely exploit the past draft. I understand the wiew for the future but i'm still convinced that would have been a very good idea drafting Edey (number 8 pick) and Buzelis (switching Chicago 2025 draft pick with the 2024, number 11). Imho Edey and Buzelis were both picks worth the risk and were covering holes on the roster (back up big man- possibly starting center whenever Wemby prefers to play forward- and long forward).Plus they would have come with sufficient experience (Edey if a 4 year college guy, Buzelis was playing with mature people in the g league ignite) not to be considered the classical rookie that needs a teacher every 5 seconds.

We'll see, but DDR is not a bad guy, knows the environment and could also decide with Paul to became a long time mentor for a possible outstanting team for some years...

[quentin_compson]

I think any vets the Spurs might add should have to be at least somewhat of a roster fit. Chris Paul is, DDR isn't - not a shooter, not a plus defender, needs the ball in his hands a lot. Apart from him maybe being a mentor type guy, what benefits would there be for the Spurs in signing him?

[RC_Drunkford]

I assumed this was a possibility :lol Luckily DeRozan hates it here and wants to go to Miami. Miami doesn't have the cap space though, so we could offer him the most money and it would probably be a one year deal. Makes zero sense spacing wise, but IF we trade for Markkanen (word in the NBA is Spurs made an offer), then it wouldn't be bad because adding Lauri and DeRozan would make us a contender.

Otherwise I hate the idea for all the reasons people mentioned here. Brian Wright is probably thinking he's slick and can do another DeRozan sign and trade next offseason to somehow snag some picks from the Heat.

[south side spur]

its clearer and clearer that the Charlotte and Chicago's ones are not conveying and that they are probably never conveying, destined as they are to transform themselves in time second round choices)

Even if you believe the Chicago pick doesn’t convey in ‘25, which is definitely not a given since Detroit, Charlotte, Washington, Brooklyn, Portland are all in better position to tank for the next few seasons, that places Chicago with Atlanta, Toronto, San Antonio and Utah as far as being in the 6-10 lottery positions. As the Chicago pick becomes top 8 protected in ‘26 and ‘27 you can’t say this pick is destined never to convey.

[tim_duncan_fan]

De-more I hear it, de-less I like it.

[kobyz]

Paul/Vassell/DeRozan/Lauri/Wemby

[RC_Drunkford]

Paul/Vassell/DeRozan/Lauri/Wemby

they could beat anybody, but Tre/Castle/Champagnie/Sochan/Collins would be a hilarious bench line up throwing up bricks left and right

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

Love watching Demar's offensive post game. Beautiful

Sadly doesn't seem like the best team fit rn

[rankingtear]

That is some rando ass reporter.

[Spurs Homer]

What about signing Derozen and using him as trade bait - for - Rob Dillingham?


wtf are we doing?

[thOOdee]

Surprised many of the anti-tankers are against this move, but most are right. Definitely makes us a playin team, but would definitely stall castle’s development and lowers our chances at getting a better pick next year. Unless we move keldon in the process, it’s a pass.

[BackHome]

To be fair... we were all afraid the Spurs would just run it back + two rookies, but HAHA jokes on us, they're revamping the team with one rookie, CP3 and Delmar!

Yep - You all wanted free agents to sign - You know ALL the ones who want to play with Wemby :clap

NBA - 2025 NBA Championship for sure!

[z0sa]

Please God no …

[Obstructed_View]

Vomit. I'd rather Victor blow out a knee.

[AFBlue]

The good news is he upped his 3PA by a full attempt per game. The bad news is it was still less than three per game, and he only hit 33%. Seems like a pretty unserious move for actually improving the team in the short term.

[Dverde]

:lol Spurs being the nice guy with a pension with Toronto and Chicago being the bad boys with the good D. Demar losing his looks and just wants to be taken care of.

[AFBlue]

Got to wonder what the sign in trade would be for in terms of the salary number and what's being sent out in the deal.

[Mr. Body]

My guess is this is kicking the tires/doing DeRozan a proper by showing interest as he's hitting a poor market. If the team truly is interested in Lauri, it's always good to start talking about going to another dealership.

Adding another high level veteran is not a bad idea. I'm less worried about spacing and shooting than I am learning game management and how to win possessions when things get tight. Shooting can be added. Learning from two vets early in this stage is invaluable. CP3 already does this, but why not think about another one?

If DDR came, I'd expect a one-year contract or a second year of player option. I'd expect even more than CP3 that he'd be moved to a destination at the deadline who can't afford him right now. They may even know who is interested already.

Ultimately, though, CP3 is at the very end of his career, came off the bench and played 26 minutes for the Warriors. DeRozan is about five years younger, is looking for a last contract or two, and played 38 minutes last year. This was a 4 mpg jump from previous and was too high for him, imo, but the point is that he'll want time on the court and probably to start. I don't see it as a good fit in the end.

[RC_Drunkford]

Got to wonder what the sign in trade would be for in terms of the salary number and what's being sent out in the deal.

from what I know it wouldn't even have to be a sign and trade. I certainly wouldn't want to give up an asset for one year of DeMar DeRozan. If CP3 hasn't signed yet we have about 14 million in cap space. Waive Devonte Graham and it's 24 million. Anybody else can just offer him MLE money.

[itzsoweezee]

Fuck! I thought I was rid of watching this scrub. I don’t want this loser anywhere near Wemby.

[SpurSpike]

Wow the meltdown here is hilarious. I love ddr and would welcome him back. Lol at comparing him to Bryn, really? Yall are crazy!

[RC_Drunkford]

he actually shot well from the corners last season

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GRoUjtrWAAECYBv?format=png&name=small

[Tyronn Lue]

DDR isn't awful in a vacuum, but on this Spurs team doesn't feel like progress and I think the Spurs fans have bought into the rebuild, not the rewind.

[scott]

A fun reminder: if the Spurs did a Sign and Trade for DDR, it means that it’s a 3-year contract. Wouldn’t that be a hoot?

[slick'81]

A fun reminder: if the Spurs did a Sign and Trade for DDR, it means that it’s a 3-year contract. Wouldn’t that be a hoot?


demar definitely wants security so f dat shit

[Chomag]

DO NOT WANT! Not anything against Dmar personally and I have always like watching him play but having him is just a reminder of when things started going south, plus I think he is a terrible fit with Wemby. Although it would be a bit more considerable if we already had a plethora of shooters on this team and we are far from that.

Wemby would function best on a moving offense so hopefully we stay a way from ISO ball.

[Chomag]

he actually shot well from the corners last season

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GRoUjtrWAAECYBv?format=png&name=small

He has always shown that he is capable of making when he takes them (even when he was here) but for some odd reason he never likes shooting them. Don't know if it's always a mental thing with him or what but it's just strange.

[SpursDynasty85]

Honestly Wenbanyama would love playing with all these vets but Spurs have young players to think about so it’s a delicate situation. I still want to give Blake Wesley a shot at some point gaurd minutes. Hoping he eventually surpasses Tre.

[tim_duncan_fan]

He can't shoot. We have people to do the other stuff he does. He has never won anything.

No.

[RC_Drunkford]

the problem with DeRozan is that your team is probably better with a 3-and-D wing who averages 12 PPG than DeRozan, cause you'll get better spacing and he'll give up 8-10 less points which gets you to DeMar's scoring average.

[koriwhat]

1808695129684799978
Welp

Bene come on bro... what's with the bad news? :lol

[Mr. Body]

the problem with DeRozan is that your team is probably better with a 3-and-D wing who averages 12 PPG than DeRozan, cause you'll get better spacing and he'll give up 8-10 less points which gets you to DeMar's scoring average.

If they're going for DeRozan, they're probably going for leadership and learning rather than finishing off a team of players they don't feel are quite ready. That's what Paul does, helps the kid learn, with fit taking a bit of a backseat.

[skin27]

DDR/CP3 + Wemby pick and roll would be deadly

[aissagholi7981]

Sign him, you guys are acting as if this team has any talent. Any time you can get talent that fits your culture, you do it then figure it out. The footwork alone that he could teach the young players is more than worth it.

[CorrectCrusader]

Hell no get that traffic cone away from our team

[CGD]

For the love of God no.

How many players is Wemby gonna have to save of defense?? You wanna know the sure fire way to piss him off long term? It’s that.

[Mr. Body]

For the love of God no.

How many players is Wemby gonna have to save of defense?? You wanna know the sure fire way to piss him off long term? It’s that.

Yet people are desperate to get Lauri Markkanen. Not just for one year, but longterm.

[SpursFan86]

Yet people are desperate to get Lauri Markkanen. Not just for one year, but longterm.

CP3/Vassell/Castle/Lauri/Wemby lineup would be perfectly fine defensively…that’s not some crazy burden on Victor at all in terms of making up for bad defenders.

DeMar could be a great defender and I’d still have no interest in him at all. We need shooting.

[cd98]

People here are ridiculous. With Wemby on the floor we are a top 5 defense regardless of who else is there. That said, Vassel is a pretty good defender and Castle will likely be a stud. We need shooting and playmaking. DDR is not a top option, but if he’s your third or 4th option, that’s pretty awesome. Not many players could follow Kawhi. It was ridiculous to expect that of him. But I always thought he was fun to watch on the Spurs and yes, we weren’t that great a team but he was our best player while here.

[Mr. Body]

CP3/Vassell/Castle/Lauri/Wemby lineup would be perfectly fine defensively…that’s not some crazy burden on Victor at all in terms of making up for bad defenders.

DeMar could be a great defender and I’d still have no interest in him at all. We need shooting.

Lauri Markkanen is a very poor defender, there's no two ways about it. Certainly Castle and Sochan can do a lot, and having Wembanyama behind him is a massive plus, but there's no mistaking the fact that he's terrible and this will be an issue.

[SpursFan86]

Lauri Markkanen is a very poor defender, there's no two ways about it. Certainly Castle and Sochan can do a lot, and having Wembanyama behind him is a massive plus, but there's no mistaking the fact that he's terrible and this will be an issue.

Yeah I just disagree with you there. He’s a slightly below average defender…obviously it’s not a strength of his, but he’s not some terrible defender who is going to hold back your entire team defense. I have no questions that we could form a very strong defense even with him being part of the lineup.

Regardless, don’t want to derail the DeRozan thread with more Markannen talk :lol I mainly just want to emphasize that DDR’s lack of fit here has far more to do with his offensive game than it does his mediocre defense IMO.

[offset formation]

I assumed this was a possibility :lol Luckily DeRozan hates it here and wants to go to Miami. Miami doesn't have the cap space though, so we could offer him the most money and it would probably be a one year deal. Makes zero sense spacing wise, but IF we trade for Markkanen (word in the NBA is Spurs made an offer), then it wouldn't be bad because adding Lauri and DeRozan would make us a contender.

Otherwise I hate the idea for all the reasons people mentioned here. Brian Wright is probably thinking he's slick and can do another DeRozan sign and trade next offseason to somehow snag some picks from the Heat.

Do we have room for CP3, Mark, and Demar??

[offset formation]

CP3/Vassell/Castle/Lauri/Wemby lineup would be perfectly fine defensively…that’s not some crazy burden on Victor at all in terms of making up for bad defenders.

DeMar could be a great defender and I’d still have no interest in him at all. We need shooting.

Sochan would start over Castle so Castle gould run point on 2nd team lineup or sub for CP3 on the first team given Paul is ancient

[CGD]

Yet people are desperate to get Lauri Markkanen. Not just for one year, but longterm.

You dont have to convince me man . . .

[Chomag]

Yes he is very offensively talented but he is a huge ball stopper

[TD 21]

People here are ridiculous. With Wemby on the floor we are a top 5 defense regardless of who else is there. That said, Vassel is a pretty good defender and Castle will likely be a stud. We need shooting and playmaking. DDR is not a top option, but if he’s your third or 4th option, that’s pretty awesome. Not many players could follow Kawhi. It was ridiculous to expect that of him. But I always thought he was fun to watch on the Spurs and yes, we weren’t that great a team but he was our best player while here.

Wrong. Due to his off ball limitations, he has to be the number one option, which yields a low ceiling.

That's the problem with him, is his lack of secondary skills (3 and D) to slot into a more ideal role on a good team.

It's why every DeRozan team is basically a variation of the same thing.

[RC_Drunkford]

Do we have room for CP3, Mark, and Demar??

yes cause Markkanen makes less than Keldon Johnson. We can waive or trade Graham, sign DeRozan, trade Keldon for Markkanen and sign CP3 with the MLE or whatever. Definitely possible. And we'd still have Zach Collins and Tre Jones on the books for another 27 million.

[Sugus]

Hate the idea. To the point that I hope the report is a smokescreen for a different move. Hard pass for sure.

[Degoat]

I just want the spurs to do something lol trade for Lauri, Sign Demar, Sign Gary Trent , trade for Cam Johnson, just doing something lol

[sfernald]

I just want the spurs to do something lol trade for Lauri, Sign Demar, Sign Gary Trent , trade for Cam Johnson, just doing something lol

I want them to do the right thing, whatever that is, not anything.

[slick'81]

Just dont stunt castles growth

[exstatic]

yes cause Markkanen makes less than Keldon Johnson. We can waive or trade Graham, sign DeRozan, trade Keldon for Markkanen and sign CP3 with the MLE or whatever. Definitely possible. And we'd still have Zach Collins and Tre Jones on the books for another 27 million.

I think an MLE contract can’t be for one year.

[DAF86]

This would be the type of uninspiring moves that PATFO would do, tbh.

[Pauleta14]

This would be the type of uninspiring moves that PATFO would do, tbh.

Like CP3?

Same principles, short term deal a little above market that can be traded

Veteran leadership and bucket getter when needed. Ideally off the bench but Pop can tinker the rotation to deal with his lack of 3pts shooting at diff positions

I like the idea a lot for the short term benefit

[sfernald]

Like CP3?

Same principles, short term deal a little above market that can be traded

Veteran leadership and bucket getter when needed. Ideally off the bench but Pop can tinker the rotation to deal with his lack of 3pts shooting at diff positions

I like the idea a lot for the short term benefit

I have no problems with any sort of deal with a decent vet like Demar for one season. These young guys could really use some help, maybe expertise is more the word.

[DAF86]

Like CP3?

Same principles, short term deal a little above market that can be traded

Veteran leadership and bucket getter when needed. Ideally off the bench but Pop can tinker the rotation to deal with his lack of 3pts shooting at diff positions

I like the idea a lot for the short term benefit

Yeah, but CP3 at least is a new face. Also, Paul fits this team a lot more than DeRozan. The last thing this team needs is another sub-par 3 pt shooter.

[Pauleta14]

Yeah, but CP3 at least is a new face. Also, Paul fits this team a lot more than DeRozan. The last thing this team needs is another sub-par 3 pt shooter.

If that's the issue some of you have I get it, but bb wise he'd fit perfectly in the event that PATFO goes all in on Lauri, for a PO run

There are ways to mask his 3pts deficiencies

Talented vets are becoming underrated rarities in today's NBA

[drpill]

If Demar could be had for a very short term contract, I don't see why not. I'm not sure how much knowledge Wemby and Castle could soak up from Demar and Paul in a single season, but I'm game to find out. The spacing just feels... brutally bad here. But this team needs accelerators to get our young guys competing at a higher level and if that's our priotity I could see Derozan being a brief part of that.

[DAF86]

If that's the issue some of you have I get it, but bb wise he'd fit perfectly in the event that PATFO goes all in on Lauri, for a PO run

There are ways to mask his 3pts deficiencies

Talented vets are becoming underrated rarities in today's NBA

How?

Tre, Castle, Sochan, Branham, Keldon, Collins. All subpar 3pt shooters. How on Earth could we add yet another non 3pt shooter and make it work?

[playblair]

derozan is wearing spurs colors in the new drake diss video..........

[Pauleta14]

How?

Tre, Castle, Sochan, Branham, Keldon, Collins. All subpar 3pt shooters. How on Earth could we add yet another non 3pt shooter and make it work?

Lauri in the starting 5 and I'm assuming more moves would come if he's signed, bc it'd mean the process has really been accelerated and guys like Brahman or Keldon would be trade assets

[John B]

Does signing Demar leave something enough to sign Markkanen if ever? In case they really want to get Demar back

[Pauleta14]

Does signing Demar leave something enough to sign Markkanen if ever? In case they really want to get Demar back

It depends which players are involved in the trade but yes it's possible (Chinook gave a version in the Lauri thread)

[Knoxxx]

Demar seems like he’d be a fine replacement for Keldon if he was traded for Markkanen.

[Tyronn Lue]

DDR/CP3 + Wemby pick and roll would be deadly
Sure if you're looking to be on the edge of playoff contention which gets you not much really. I wouldn't trade team development for a false run to the playoffs with vets leading the way.

[Knoxxx]

Sure if you're looking to be on the edge of playoff contention which gets you not much really. I wouldn't trade team development for a false run to the playoffs with vets leading the way.

DDR/CP3 could anchor the bench unit.

[drpill]

If Demar could be had for a very short term contract, I don't see why not. I'm not sure how much knowledge Wemby and Castle could soak up from Demar and Paul in a single season, but I'm game to find out. The spacing just feels... brutally bad here. But this team needs accelerators to get our young guys competing at a higher level and if that's our priotity I could see Derozan being a brief part of that.

I've changed my mind, Demar would be a pretty poor fit. Chris Paul makes sense here but we don't have room on the floor or in the lineup for Derozan to shine in the way he surely wants. This needs to be Wemby's team, with room for our young players to see the court. Also Demar's emo side is a distraction that the team doesn't need. Final verdict: pass.

[Trainwreck2100]

derozan is wearing spurs colors in the new drake diss video..........

Makes sense cst that's how he"came home"

[cutewizard]

Brook Lopez is better than

[John B]

I've changed my mind, Demar would be a pretty poor fit. Chris Paul makes sense here but we don't have room on the floor or in the lineup for Derozan to shine in the way he surely wants. This needs to be Wemby's team, with room for our young players to see the court. Also Demar's emo side is a distraction that the team doesn't need. Final verdict: pass.

If you change Demar to Markkanen, would your narrative remain the same? I’m not advocating Demar, but surely getting Markkanen means he’ll be 2/3 option and less opportunities for “young players to see the court.”

I understand getting CP3 is partly to set more structured offense and help the young core. But once we start talking either Markkanen, Demar or whoever vet, we are talking about competing, with more vets production and less from the young core and even less for some.

[tbdog]

If Spurs get Lauri, then DDR just boosts the team, especially if Johnson or Sochan are included in the deal.

[Brazil]

NO, PLEASE GOD NO

[drpill]

If you change Demar to Markkanen, would your narrative remain the same? I’m not advocating Demar, but surely getting Markkanen means he’ll be 2/3 option and less opportunities for “young players to see the court.”

I understand getting CP3 is partly to set more structured offense and help the young core. But once we start talking either Markkanen, Demar or whoever vet, we are talking about competing, with more vets production and less from the young core and even less for some.

It feels like two very different proposals -- Lauri would be a long term part of a championship core, while Demar would be a stopgap piece at best. Demar also overlaps too much with Castle, who is going to need a lot of reps if he's going to set down the right developmental path. Lauri would take playing time away from Sochan (if he were still here in that scenario) and others, but again, as a long-term part of the team that is a more justifiable tradeoff. If Derozan was willing to sign a one year deal with a clear agreement that he would take a reduced role, sure, give it some consideration. But that seems unlikely.

If we're talking going all-in with Lauri and Derozan, it sounds like an entertaining ride. But if you're doing that because you're serious about trying to compete then the roster has issues. Lauri adds spacing at least, so the Derozan fit wouldn't be quite as ugly. In any case, if it means a multi-year contract for Demar, the Spurs should stay far away imo.

[Splits]

DeRozan is going to get paid way more than what he is worth to the Spurs by some other team. He started all 79 games he played last year at almost 39 minutes a game, dominates the mid-range, can't shoot the 3, but for a team that is loaded with gunners he's a perfect fit.

I've never been a huge fan of his, but CP0 + DR just for the knowledge well our teenagers could gain from him would be great. But it ain't happening for an MLE, some fringe contender will pay him +18m for his last big contract and it ain't us.

[Splits]

Yeah I just disagree with you there.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J34UzHo4G5w

[slick'81]

Only take derozan if you bring in lauri. If spurs want those bottom playoff seeds that is the way

[Splits]

If they're going for DeRozan, they're probably going for leadership and learning rather than finishing off a team of players they don't feel are quite ready. That's what Paul does, helps the kid learn, with fit taking a bit of a backseat.

Agree with this. We're not contending this year. Would alter "kid" to "kids" since we have so many of them. But it's a somewhat novel strategy to bring in short-term vets for long-term knowledge and accelerating the growth trajectory.

[tmtcsc]

Hard, hard “no, not only no, HELL NO” pass on Derozan. I don’t care that he’s a good guy and Pop was nice to him. He’s a nothing piece and a waste of money. He would be an impediment to the Spurs’ progress. I don’t like CP3 joining the team either but I get it. He can bring some intangible value to his teammates’ experience.

[Mr. Body]

Agree with this. We're not contending this year. Would alter "kid" to "kids" since we have so many of them. But it's a somewhat novel strategy to bring in short-term vets for long-term knowledge and accelerating the growth trajectory.

I definitely meant to say 'kids.'

If they get DDR, it's sort of like an academy year. Learn alongside two vets who won't be there a year from now. Winning would be nice, but the point is the long term. The young players are a total mess right now and getting a boost would help.

[TD 21]

According to Wojnarowski, the Kings in a sign and trade is the most likely possibility right now but they're trying to find a third team because the Bulls don't want to take back significant salary.

I wonder if the Spurs help facilitate it by acquiring Barnes for next to nothing. Granted, he's signed through '26, so maybe that dissuades them.

[Chinook]

The Spurs are slated to have like $87 Million in cap space in the summer of 2026, though their first-rounders and other contracts will each up some of that. Even with this inflation, we're looking at a tier-three max being $61 Million or so. It's possible for the team to get a max slot that year. For whom, I'd have no idea. The upshot is that two-year deals to sync with Collins and the 2022 draftees and the low-salary points of both Johnson's and Vassell's deals would make a lot of sense. Like if there's any kind of long-term concrete plan whatsoever, it seems to involve the summer of 2026 as a key period.

[baseline bum]

According to Wojnarowski, the Kings in a sign and trade is the most likely possibility right now but they're trying to find a third team because the Bulls don't want to take back significant salary.

I wonder if the Spurs help facilitate it by acquiring Barnes for next to nothing. Granted, he's signed through '26, so maybe that dissuades them.

Gross. No use for Barnes now with CP3 here so that Castle or Vassell starts at SF.

[Chinook]

Gross. No use for Barnes now with CP3 here so that Castle or Vassell starts at SF.

There's still no backup power-forward on the roster, and Barnes shot 38 percent from three.

[TD 21]

^ That and I don't get this bizarre obsession with starting.

How about creating competition so that replacement player Sochan or unproven Castle have to earn their spot? They'll still receive plenty of minutes off the bench either way and it'll only be temporary since I'm skeptical Paul will be here beyond the trade deadline/buy out window anyway.

[baseline bum]

There's still no backup power-forward on the roster, and Barnes shot 38 percent from three.

Seems like a lot of money to pay a backup who isn't much of an upgrade over Champagnie. I hope the Spurs can find better uses for their capspace than Barnes.

[Chinook]

Seems like a lot of money to pay a backup who isn't much of an upgrade over Champagnie. I hope the Spurs can find better uses for their capspace than Barnes.

Would it change your mind if we add in "He can post-up Tony Parker while the rest of his team starves for touches"?

[baseline bum]

^ That and I don't get this bizarre obsession with starting.

How about creating competition so that replacement player Sochan or unproven Castle have to earn their spot? They'll still receive plenty of minutes off the bench either way and it'll only be temporary since I'm skeptical Paul will be here beyond the trade deadline/buy out window anyway.

Meh Champagnie can do the same thing for a sixth of what Barnes costs.

[Tyronn Lue]

DDR/CP3 could anchor the bench unit.
For a season, sure.

[Tyronn Lue]

^ That and I don't get this bizarre obsession with starting.

How about creating competition so that replacement player Sochan or unproven Castle have to earn their spot? They'll still receive plenty of minutes off the bench either way and it'll only be temporary since I'm skeptical Paul will be here beyond the trade deadline/buy out window anyway.
How many bench players do you see in the all star games or on all NBA teams? Not many for sure.

[gambit1990]

me a week ago:

in b4 the spurs trade draft picks & assets for demar derozan.

ST after you've seen my posts:
https://i.imgflip.com/4tnk9r.jpg?a477792

[sfernald]

I think I would rather take Barnes into cap space and receive a couple seconds over actually paying out for Demar!

[TD 21]

Per Stein, Spurs have emerged as potential third team facilitator . . .

[LeBowen]

Per Stein, Spurs emerging as third team facilitator . . .

Good stuff, Barnes would fit great here for a couple of seasons.

[Obstructed_View]

Who's that dude who beat the shit out of his wife in front of his kids?

Yeah, I'd rather get that guy.

[NASpurs]

Per Stein, Spurs have emerged as potential third team facilitator . . .

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[Dejounte]

Barnes would be a better get than Batum would have, and I really wanted Batum

[Obstructed_View]

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Hey, trading cap space for no tangible asset! A very Spursian move. At least DeBallhog DeNodefense ends up somewhere else.

[Dejounte]

Takes us out of the Lauri sweepstakes?

[Mr. Body]

Guessing it can't be Huerter. I'm not totally enthused about Harrison Barnes. His production seems to be slipping. I'm not really opposed. He can eat up minutes and provide that veteran stability that we need.

[LeBowen]

Takes us out of the Lauri sweepstakes?

We're at $127M without CP3, should be around $138M with him.
Could we send Graham to Chicago and then they waive him? Back at $126M.
Barnes is on $19M thisd season, that's $145M total.

Lauri would be a salary match, I'm sure we can go down to $141M somehow.
But then we wouldn't be able to give him raise and extension right away.

[fafo]

It never really stuck out to me that Barnes is actually a pretty solid 3-point shooter. Has shot between 37-39% from 3 for the last 5 years. His contract runs for the next two seasons, and maybe he's a salary filler in a trade once the Spurs (hopefully) decide to make real moves next summer.

[timvp]

Barnes fits as a solid, team-first vet that will help the youngsters grow. Good shooter but I wish he were a better passer.

I don't love the second year on his contract. Hopefully the Spurs get a draft pick for eating that salary.

[Mr. Body]

I probably prefer Huerter, but Barnes fills a team role better. Both contracts run two more years.

[Mr. Body]

And both Huerter and Barnes contracts are fairly small. They could be combined with Collins' expiring after next year to be more significant.

[slick'81]

Thank gawd derozan isnt coming here

[BatManu20]

Spurs getting Barnes just to help facilitate a DDR trade would be a big win tbh. Gives us much-needed shooting and another seasoned vet to help the young pups. 2 years left on his deal so shouldn’t be hard to be flipped this season or next if that’s the move. This is a no-brainer tbh.

[rankingtear]

Barnes would be nice on this team. BWrong could probably fetch some draft asset in addition.

[LeBowen]

Barnes is a really high character guy, Pop always liked him.
Haven't seen enough of him this season, but he was always a positive defender and a good shooter.
Would instantly be our best wing and make the lineup functional because we can't play with both Castle and Jeremy starting.

[BatManu20]

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[RC_Drunkford]

Takes us out of the Lauri sweepstakes?

nah Brian Wright is tryin to get some more picks so Ainge takes the deal

[Leetonidas]

1809632331944108522

Getting Barnes out of this would be a win

[Obstructed_View]

So who mentioned Barnes? Stein? His shit is behind a paywall.

[Spurs Brazil]

I believe this must be done until Monday. So Graham can go to Chicago and get waived.

[Degoat]

Is Demar gonna drag this out lol

[Dejounte]

Wasnt this shit supposed to happen in the last five days? Shits supposed to get done today

[Obstructed_View]

Wasnt this shit supposed to happen in the last five days? Shits supposed to get done today
Someone said they have until like the 11th to trade or release Graham.

[Trueblood]

1809605035300376598

Good. Take on salary to have them lift the top-10 protection AND we don't end up with DeRozan. That's a win/win to me.

[Mr. Body]

Wasnt this shit supposed to happen in the last five days? Shits supposed to get done today

Guessing the Markkanen stuff was drawing attention from these same teams -- Sacramento and San Antonio lodged at least some interest. Whatever happened there may have cleared up, leading them to focus on this.

[Trueblood]

Barnes fits as a solid, team-first vet that will help the youngsters grow. Good shooter but I wish he were a better passer.

I don't love the second year on his contract. Hopefully the Spurs get a draft pick for eating that salary.

I would settle for them lifting the top-10 protection on the pick. Given the moves they've made this OS that thing is going to be a great pick.

[Mr. Body]

Good. Take on salary to have them lift the top-10 protection AND we don't end up with DeRozan. That's a win/win to me.

They wouldn't lift the protection. Chicago should be in tank mode this year.

[scott]

Takes us out of the Lauri sweepstakes?

Nah, we could still send out Keldon or Collins to match Lauri, so this doesn't take us out of that. What takes us out of the Lauri sweepstakes is the fact that we probably aren't even in it.

[manufan10]

I believe this must be done until Monday. So Graham can go to Chicago and get waived.


Someone said they have until like the 11th to trade or release Graham.

The Spurs traded Graham to Charlotte.

[manufan10]

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[slick'81]

No way chicago waives that protection

[Trainwreck2100]

Hey, trading cap space for no tangible asset! A very Spursian move. At least DeBallhog DeNodefense ends up somewhere else.

they have to hit the floor

[Trainwreck2100]

No way chicago waives that protection

yeah, Chi's not giving anything back for this but if the Spurs don't get a kings 1st this trade would be a loss

[Obstructed_View]

The Spurs traded Graham to Charlotte.

Yeah I know. I clicked on the threads in the wrong order.

[Obstructed_View]

they have to hit the floor

So how does trading a second round pick to get another team to absorb 3 million in cap space advance that goal?

[Mr. Body]

The Spurs might give a little something to Chicago, maybe a couple seconds.

[fafo]

Clearly the Bulls are in tank mode which would make the 2025 pick valuable, IF the protections were lifted. I wonder if the Spurs would route some of their assets (their own 2025 pick plus 2027 ATL pick and the Minnesota swap?) for the Bulls to repeal the protections on that deal. I wouldn't if I were Chicago (and maybe the Spurs want to hold onto that for a bigger move next summer), but their front office deserves all the shit that Brian Wright gets on here with their questionable decisions.

[scott]

So how does trading a second round pick to get another team to absorb 3 million in cap space advance that goal?

Spurs will have no trouble hitting the floor.

The Graham deal is the exact same as selling SRPs for cash. We just traded an SRP to save $2.8MM. There is no basketball-related purpose to this move, it's purely a profit management move by the FO.

[Trainwreck2100]

So how does trading a second round pick to get another team to absorb 3 million in cap space advance that goal?

its cap space to absorb the demar player in the trade, it's not like they're done, they have to hit the floor

[offset formation]

Nah, we could still send out Keldon or Collins to match Lauri, so this doesn't take us out of that. What takes us out of the Lauri sweepstakes is the fact that we probably aren't even in it.

he'll end up in GS indubitably

[Trainwreck2100]

The Spurs might give a little something to Chicago, maybe a couple seconds.

The spurs shouldn't give anything to Chicago that doesn't benefit the Spurs, which in this case if probably nothing

Clearly the Bulls are in tank mode which would make the 2025 pick valuable, IF the protections were lifted. I wonder if the Spurs would route some of their assets (their own 2025 pick plus 2027 ATL pick and the Minnesota swap?) for the Bulls to repeal the protections on that deal. I wouldn't if I were Chicago (and maybe the Spurs want to hold onto that for a bigger move next summer), but their front office deserves all the shit that Brian Wright gets on here with their questionable decisions.

Chicago ain't repealing their protection when they just traded away their best player

[TekXX]

Graham deserved more playing time but Pops bust projects had to come first.

[Obstructed_View]

Reports are that Demar is flying to Sacramento now. Not likely to get an update in this for a while, right?

[scott]

Reports are that Demar is flying to Sacramento now. Not likely to get an update in this for a while, right?

I do Zoom calls from Airplanes all the time, Demar's agent should have no problem talking to his client :lol

[timvp]

DeRozan being dramatic. No one else is out there offering anything, bro.

[Obstructed_View]

DeRozan being dramatic. No one else is out there offering anything, bro.
He's milking it for sure. He could meet with them on Zoom but he has to tour the facility.

[CGD]

If the trade machinations work, I’d rather have Duarte, Lyles, and a SAC FRP.

The second years on Barnes and Huerter are braffy.

[exstatic]

Graham deserved more playing time but Pops bust projects had to come first.

Generally what you do with draft picks.

[CGD]

1809639146069143903

Spurs did right by this guy after they were kinda crummy to him last year. No way he was getting that extra 10M anywhere else.

[exstatic]

If the trade machinations work, I’d rather have Duarte, Lyles, and a SAC FRP.

The second years on Barnes and Huerter are braffy.

Duarte has been in a shit spiral since his rookie year.

[CGD]

Duarte has been in a shit spiral since his rookie year.

A true cautionary tale against drafting the 4 year college guys…

Yeah, I was thinking more just to have the 5M expiring.

[Pauleta14]

Spurs did right by this guy after they were kinda crummy to him last year. No way he was getting that extra 10M anywhere else.

It was probably the plan ... since the start of last season

As good a human being he can be, no way he keeps his cool that much knowing not only he'll lose 10M but also can't prove his worth on the floor.

[TD 21]

Meh Champagnie can do the same thing for a sixth of what Barnes costs.

More or less at this point, but it was obvious Wembanyama wanted some credible veterans who were still useful brought in, Barnes is about as Spurs like as they come, he can seemingly be had for basically free and he's a solid fit.


How many bench players do you see in the all star games or on all NBA teams? Not many for sure.

I'm not sure what that has to do with anything. Despite the wildly outsized expectations, Castle is highly unlikely to become an All-Star and Sochan is even less so.

If Barnes is acquired and it's Castle (as I'd expect) who'd temporarily (again, Paul, injury prone, unlikely to play much more than half a game and possibly sit out one end of back to backs and here for the entire season at most) come off the bench, it not only won't hurt his long term trajectory, it might help it.

[Tyronn Lue]

More or less at this point, but it was obvious Wembanyama wanted some credible veterans who were still useful brought in, Barnes is about as Spurs like as they come, he can seemingly be had for basically free and he's a solid fit.



I'm not sure what that has to do with anything. Despite the wildly outsized expectations, Castle is highly unlikely to become an All-Star and Sochan is even less so.

If Barnes is acquired and it's Castle (as I'd expect) who'd temporarily (again, Paul, injury prone, unlikely to play much more than half a game and possibly sit out one end of back to backs and here for the entire season at most) come off the bench, it not only won't hurt his long term trajectory, it might help it.
You indicated wanting to be a starter vs coming off the bench was confusing to you. There are many reasons to be a starter, not the least of those being the bag.

[Seventyniner]

I doubt that the Spurs were ever interested in bringing DeRozan back. It was probably some reporter hearing that the Spurs were willing to facilitate conflated that with the Spurs having had DeRozan on the team before.

[Tyronn Lue]

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Good luck to him, he's barely NBA material if he even is that.

[Splits]

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Welcome to China (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qingdao_Eagles)

[TVI]

According to Wojnarowski, the Kings in a sign and trade is the most likely possibility right now but they're trying to find a third team because the Bulls don't want to take back significant salary.

I wonder if the Spurs help facilitate it by acquiring Barnes for next to nothing. Granted, he's signed through '26, so maybe that dissuades them.
😎 TD with the goods.