Game Thread: San Antonio Spurs vs. Chinese NT @ 7 PM CT - Summer League Game #3

[ace3g]

San Antonio Spurs
spurs
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11m
Starters for the night!

1️⃣5️⃣ Jamaree Bouyea
5️⃣ Stephon Castle
2️⃣5️⃣ Sidy Cissoko
5️⃣5️⃣ Harrison Ingram
3️⃣1️⃣ Nathan Mensah
#SummerSpurs

[timtonymanu]

China by 30. Can’t wait until castle is around real nba players.

[Manu&Duncan fan]

Be mercy to my home country please. They're good at Ping Pong. But it's unbearable to watch them play basketball or soccer.

[Mugen]

A lot of our SL guys are gonna have to learn Chinese very soon so this is a good game for them tbh.

[CGD]

Castle or nah?

[Mugen]

Castle or nah?

Yeah

[Spurs9]

Are we facing Johnathan Simmons and Dwight?

[spurraider21]

Are we facing Johnathan Simmons and Dwight?
jimmer tbh

[SPURt]

Runwang is a hell of a name

[ace3g]

Airball for Sidy.

[ace3g]

Ingram for 3.

[ace3g]

Castle wearing a sleeve on his left arm, hmm

[ace3g]

Castle takes contact of #51 and finishes the layup.

[spurraider21]

castle waaay off on the pull-up 3

[ace3g]

Castle nice lob to Mensah.

[PhantomDashCam]

castle waaay off on the pull-up 3

Even Blake Wesley cringed at that shot

[ace3g]

Wow Castle with the dunk in traffic!!!

[spurraider21]

good penetration and vision for the lob by castle there

[SPURt]

Castle with the boomshackalacka

[spurraider21]

big jam down the lane by castle

[LeBowen]

Castle doesn't trust his shot.
Looked better last game when he didn't hesitate.

[spurraider21]

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[ace3g]

https://x.com/spurs/status/1810830190207258692

[ace3g]

Nice drop off pass by Castle.

[jesterbobman]

Not a great shooter, but the PG skills definitely look there. Upside as a wing sized creator is real.

[jesterbobman]

Awesome skip pass.

[ace3g]

Nice assist by Castle to open man for the corner 3.

[Spurs Brazil]

Castle with some nice passes.

[spurraider21]

Nice assist by Castle to open man for the corner 3.
really nice skip pass tbh

the point guard skills continue to impress

[BackHome]

Him becoming a better shooter is not going to happen overnight it's going to take awhile but at least he got everything else

[Tyronn Lue]

Nelson looks like his dad. Looks.

[timtonymanu]

jimmer tbh

Jimmertacular should post his highlights

[spurraider21]

damn. what a great drive by castle there to punish the trap attempt but couldnt finish the contested layup

[AFBlue]

Seems like the only good things that happen are going through Castle

[PhantomDashCam]

Castle making every right play so far.

[AFBlue]

damn. what a great drive by castle there to punish the trap attempt but couldnt finish the contested layup

Stayed in the play, made up for it with next attempt.

[Tyronn Lue]

I thought she was going say Castle is a transgender lol

[ace3g]

Castle stays with the play and gets the put back.

[Spurs9]

Castle is so elite

[spurraider21]

nice clean shot by Ward. they're starting to aggressively double Castle

[Darkwaters]

Spurs actually hitting shots tonight. That's helpful

[PhantomDashCam]

Castle responsible for destroying foreign trade. Eric Zhang has to be torn…

[Tyronn Lue]

What's the thought on Massalski?

[DPG21920]

Castle just has such a nice pace and feel for things. He doesn’t look like hes going fast but with his handle being so solid, he sort of just wiggles his way to places and uses his strength, causes defense to move and then he just seamlessly makes good reads.

The passing ability of the CP + Castle + Vassell + Sochan + Wemby lineup is off the charts.

[spurraider21]

Castle just has such a nice pace and feel for things. He doesn’t look like hes going fast but with his handle being so solid, he sort of just wiggles his way to places and uses his strength, causes defense to move and then he just seamlessly makes good reads.

The passing ability of the CP + Castle + Vassell + Sochan + Wemby lineup is off the charts.
kinda reminds me a bit of paul pierce with his movement

[ace3g]

Spurs up 29-20 after 1Q

[Darkwaters]

All of the viable players are off the floor and the offense comes screeching to a halt.

[3&D_TBH]

Castle looks the part. He has a high floor to my eye. Lfg tbh

[Spurs Brazil]

Cissoko looks bad again. I hope it’s related with the time he was out after the surgery. He wasn’t that bad at the end of the season.

[LeBowen]

Can't see Castle's skillset not translating, shot improvement will determine his ceiling.
Worst case scenario is a great glue guy.

[3&D_TBH]

Ingrim trynna do something tbh

[vy65]

Castle just has such a nice pace and feel for things. He doesn’t look like hes going fast but with his handle being so solid, he sort of just wiggles his way to places and uses his strength, causes defense to move and then he just seamlessly makes good reads.

The passing ability of the CP + Castle + Vassell + Sochan + Wemby lineup is off the charts.

Really liking what I’m seeing from him. It’s summer league, so massive grain of salt, but man I just love the way he plays with pace and control and physicality. Makes me think this is what they were hoping Primo would show (but never did, he only showed his dick).

[Darkwaters]

Ingram passed out of a wide open 3 there. Fortunately he got the ball right back and drained it. But if he's going to be a shooter then he needs to take those shots when the D sags completely off him. Especially when Castle and Cissoko are on the bench.

[Spurs Brazil]

Ingram making shots tonight.

[LakerHater]

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[Mr. Body]

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Pop won't like the stare down. Hasn't gotten over himself.

[Darkwaters]

Really liking what I’m seeing from him. It’s summer league, so massive grain of salt, but man I just love the way he plays with pace and control and physicality. Makes me think this is what they were hoping Primo would show (but never did, he only showed his dick).

:lol I was about to say, Primo definitely showed a little something to anybody that would let him

[Chinook]

Wow that spin move.

[ace3g]

Nice spin move and finish by....

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[LittleCriminal]

That bald dude is fAF! Lol

[Tyronn Lue]

How old is Booyah? 40?

[Guru of Nothing]

Booyah looking pretty spry for am old man on that spin move.

[Darkwaters]

How old is Booyah? 40?

He turned 25 two weeks ago.

[ace3g]

https://x.com/spurs/status/1810836723250909551

[Darkwaters]

Cissoko for.....3?

Good for him.

[ace3g]

Castle finds Sidy for the Corner 3.

[NASpurs]

Castle responsible for destroying foreign trade. Eric Zhang has to be torn…

Kevin Tran is in shambles.

[Tyronn Lue]

that center for China might have a shot in Detroit.

[Dex]

Cissoko with an open layup and instead dumps to Castle under the basket.

[Darkwaters]

They're showing a commercial for Bosley hair restoration on the NBA TV broadcast. lol

[lefty20]

NBA TV still reporting that it's a 20132 swap instead of 20131. On draft night, they had left Vassell off our depth chart. They literally got idiots working for them.

[ace3g]

Another strong finish by Castle.

[PhantomDashCam]

Nice spin move and finish by....

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[Tyronn Lue]

Spurs playing hero ball suddenly.

[scott]

I realize this summer league roster was assembled by RC's drinking buddies... but concerning that we're only up by 5.

[NASpurs]

I realize this summer league roster was assembled by RC's drinking buddies... but concerning that we're only up by 5.

It's Alba Berlin all over again. :lol

[PhantomDashCam]

Ingram with those Ayres hands. Pop licking his chops

[SpursGuy91]

I don’t like this lazy ass defense castle has been playing as if he’s too good to play with intensity

[ace3g]

Castle sticks with it after his first miss and gets it to go after 2 putback attempts.

[Darkwaters]

Castle with an Angel Reese possession. 3 shots, 2 offensive rebounds and one made layup in a single possession.

[ace3g]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GSFld24aUAMPibA?format=jpg&name=medium

[Darkwaters]

I can't get over how bad this sideline reporter girl is

[SpursGuy91]

I wish they’d buy Ingram some shorts that fit…

[Mr. Body]

I realize this summer league roster was assembled by RC's drinking buddies... but concerning that we're only up by 5.

This would be a problem if these were actual Spurs players on the main Spurs team.

[Darkwaters]

Official stats have Cissoko with zero assists? Definitely wrong. I know for a fact he fed Castle on one of his big dunks. I rewound the tape to confirm who made that pass when it happened.

[Darkwaters]

I wish they’d buy Ingram some shorts that fit…

:lol

My 11 year old asked why his shorts were so small

[Mr. Body]

Team defense ain't that great, could use more size. Whatever, these aren't great players overall. Who cares.

Ingram looks better and can see his multi-faceted game. Will need to learn how to hone certain skills in order to make the big league, especially as a non-focal point.

I'll give Cissoko a pass if he's really trying to get back from recovery.

Castle's lack of burst and shooting are concerns. Less concerned about the burst because he gets free with picks and has space with better players. His steadiness is really good and he sees what's happening on the floor and makes good decisions. His strength is a problem for guards. That J really not good tonight at all.

[Knoxxx]

Castle would be pacing for 30+ if he could hit 3 PT shots.

[PhantomDashCam]

Hopefully Castle doesn’t go gun shy from three. Important to keep putting them up at this stage.

[benefactor]

Castle missed all his threes. Shocker

[3&D_TBH]

Castle on triple dub watch tbh. Hope the jumper looks better in the second half tho

[Darkwaters]

Ingram with some nice defense there

[ace3g]

Castle prevents the back door pass, gets the steal.

[ace3g]

That one Chinese player at the FT line had the variant routine of RIP Hamilton.

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[heyheymymy]

I like how they run Bouyea/Castle and alternate which brings the ball up

A template for Paul/Castle and Jones/Castle lineups with two PGs.

[Darkwaters]

I don't think these announcers have any clue that Kyle Anderson was drafted by San Antonio...the other team playing today.

[ace3g]

C9ON2T6S1SH

[spurraider21]

Sidy's form on free throws is hideous

[LaMarcus Bryant]

Had no fucking clue Slow Mo was Chinese

This has to be the worst summer league team we've ever fielded right?

[spurraider21]

these are some truly violent bricks we are throwing up :lol

[ace3g]

Castle gets a jumper to go and draws the foul.

[Darkwaters]

At halftime our FG% was at 43% It has plummeted to 30% in 7 minutes since the 2nd half started.

[onechance87]

castle gaving a hard time finding his shot

[benefactor]

castle gaving a hard time finding his shot
He can't shoot. This is a known thing.

[heyheymymy]

Castle +12 with 15pts, 5reb, 4ast, 3stl, 1to

22 min 7-19, 0-6, 1-2

[Darkwaters]

I'm wondering if Chris Paul can work with Castle to help him become a better shooter. Paul came into a league and shot a similar percentage to Castle (28% as a rookie). But by his second season he'd improved a lot to 35% and has been a consistently good to even great 3 point shooter most of his long career.

[ace3g]

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with the dunk!!!

[heyheymymy]

Bouyea going nuts wow

[ace3g]

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[Darkwaters]

Nice offensive burst there to close the quarter

[spurraider21]

castle living up to his "does everything well but literally cannot shoot" reputation

[Darkwaters]

This is a good confidence building game going into Vegas. After getting absolutely blown out in their first two games, playing an inferior Chinese National Team probably goes a long way.

[Darkwaters]

Ingram clearly having his best game of summer league so far.

Still can't shoot free throws for some reason.

[Guru of Nothing]

I can't get over how bad this sideline reporter girl is

in game one they mentioned she was a student at a local college. Probably an intern, would be my guess.

[ace3g]

Castle hits the mid range.

[heyheymymy]

Castle was 6-14 which was okay, 2 shots under 50%, but then went 7-19 to end the 3rd.

There have been some real bad wounded ducks Castle has hoisted up but a lot of these are just off the rim and out which makes me optimistic it's something that can be worked out over time. It's weird, a lot of his shots look short like there's an issue or something.

[spurraider21]

Castle was 6-14 which was okay, 2 shots under 50%, but then went 7-19 to end the 3rd.

There have been some real bad wounded ducks Castle has hoisted up but a lot of these are just off the rim and out which makes me optimistic it's something that can be worked out over time. It's weird, a lot of his shots look short like there's an issue or something.
3 point line is farther back than he's been used to

gleague ignite guys also tend to struggle with 3 point shot since theyre shooting from farther back than their NCAA/foreign peers

[Strategic]

Castle defense making these guys look like the jv team

[heyheymymy]

Castle looks so fucking promising, damn

[Darkwaters]

in game one they mentioned she was a student at a local college. Probably an intern, would be my guess.

In game two I made a joke that I thought she was a summer intern. Didn't realize I was right

[heyheymymy]

3 point line is farther back than he's been used to

gleague ignite guys also tend to struggle with 3 point shot since theyre shooting from farther back than their NCAA/foreign peers

good point that seems to explain Castle missing short often

[ace3g]

Ingram hit the line drive 3 from top of the key.

[Knoxxx]

Ingram for 33333333!!!!!!!!

[Knoxxx]

good point that seems to explain Castle missing short often

Paul can teach him to shoot, too.

[heyheymymy]

that is a quick adjustment then Castle can relearn the new range from his spots quickly

[thiste]

Loving some of what Ingram is showing tonight

[Darkwaters]

Massalski is consistently in on good runs for this team. 14 minutes and he's +20 with 6 boards and 4 assists.

As far as the "also rans" go he's showing out.

[spurraider21]

could be an illusion due to competition level, but cant help but be impressed with Castle's calm handles. never seems flustered by pressure, doesnt panic. comfortable one handed live dribble passes, etc

he's a buttershot

[ace3g]

Castle bullies his way to the basket and draws a foul.

[DPG21920]

Can Castle make guys pay for sagging off in the big league? Will he be good enough to be a true lead creator and create for himself/others as the main guy with the ball? No doubt he has high end connector ability but does he have lead offensive ability? Time will tell but I still really like what Im seeing

[PhantomDashCam]

Massalski may not be an NBA player but he’s been terrific today.

[Darkwaters]

Loving some of what Ingram is showing tonight

He certainly looks better across the board tonight. He's taking his open shots tonight and has finally answered the call for more rebounding.

Already a double double with a few minutes still yet to play.

[Darkwaters]

Three stars of the game:

Castle, Ingram, Massalski

[Degoat]

Not the most efficient night for Castle but he shoulders so much out there and 18/5/6 game is a solid outing

[heyheymymy]

Hats off to this China team man they got some real competitors out there

[PhantomDashCam]

Can Castle make guys pay for sagging off in the big league? Will he be good enough to be a true lead creator and create for himself/others as the main guy with the ball? No doubt he has high end connector ability but does he have lead offensive ability? Time will tell but I still really like what Im seeing

What’s incredible to me is that his tape looks identical today to every level of competition he has competed in so far. Just looks a cut above everybody else. Rare and extremely promising.

[Mr. Body]

Castle was 6-14 which was okay, 2 shots under 50%, but then went 7-19 to end the 3rd.

There have been some real bad wounded ducks Castle has hoisted up but a lot of these are just off the rim and out which makes me optimistic it's something that can be worked out over time. It's weird, a lot of his shots look short like there's an issue or something.

Among other things, looks like he's not confident in his shot at all.

[Darkwaters]

China always gives a "Player of the Game" honor to a member of the opposing team.

Castle seems the clear choice

[ace3g]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GSFzVjMWYAEivdW?format=jpg&name=medium

[Mr. Body]

could be an illusion due to competition level, but cant help but be impressed with Castle's calm handles. never seems flustered by pressure, doesnt panic. comfortable one handed live dribble passes, etc

he's a buttershot

I don't think I've seen anyone take the ball off him. He is a bit slow, like getting out of the backcourt. Need him to get going faster.

[Darkwaters]

Hey, we won a game.

I like this a whole lot better than losing by 25 or 30

[ace3g]

2 games played for Castle and only 2 TOs during SL with this roster is impressive.

[benefactor]

Among other things, looks like he's not confident in his shot at all.
He couldn't shoot before he was drafted. What makes you think he could magically learn to shoot now?

[Darkwaters]

2 games played for Castle and only 2 TOs during SL with this roster is impressive.

Stat keeper is garbage for these games. Castle had 3 TO's.

Game one:
Shuffled his feet and called for a TO

Game two:
Hesitated and moved his feet when China pressed
Went to toss a lob and lost control, throwing it out of bounds

[Uriel]

Congrats Coach Trevino for finally winning a game.

[thiste]

He couldn't shoot before he was drafted. What makes you think he could magically learn to shoot now?

Cissoko & Ingram stating in interviews that Castle actually shoots very well tells us that it's more of a mental block than an ability issue.

[heyheymymy]

Am I wrong or did Castle get an 8 sec violation one of these games too? I could be misremembering that been a long day.

[benefactor]

Cissoko & Ingram stating in interviews that Castle actually shoots very well tells us that it's more of a mental block than an ability issue.
They are just saying what they need to say. He can't shoot. I think it was spurraider that posted a shooting comparison among several players and he was absolutely atrocious. This was known before he was ever drafted. He's going to have to figure out a way to fix it. It will be the difference between him becoming a major piece or just a pretty good one.

[Darkwaters]

They are just saying what they need to say. He can't shoot. I think it was spurraider that posted a shooting comparison among several players and he was absolutely atrocious. This was known before he was ever drafted. He's going to have to figure out a way to fix it. It will be the difference between him becoming a major piece or just a pretty good one.

If Castle could shoot reliably then he would have gone #1 in the draft and would be helping Atlanta devalue our next 3 first round picks.

His poor shooting was the cost of being able to acquire him. That part of his game is obviously a work in process, but his point guard skills are much better than advertised. I like his chances.

[benefactor]

If Castle could shoot reliably then he would have gone #1 in the draft and would be helping Atlanta devalue our next 3 first round picks.

His poor shooting was the cost of being able to acquire him. That part of his game is obviously a work in process, but his point guard skills are much better than advertised. I like his chances.
I don't want to make it sound like I hate him as a player. I really do like a lot of what he brings. But we have to be honest, he has to learn to shoot. Otherwise he will be a liability at a point in the game where you need him to knock down a shot.

[Ariel]

So much of Castle and Sochan's future hinges on their ability to hit jumpers, same goes for Wesley and Cissoko. Not super confident on Spurs' ability to help them get there though, but getting the best shooting coaches money can buy should be a top priority.

[Ariel]

I don't want to make it sound like I hate him as a player. I really do like a lot of what he brings. But we have to be honest, he has to learn to shoot. Otherwise he will be a liability at point in the game where you need him to knock down a shot.
We've known this all along. Whoever expected him to miraculously turn it around overnight is delusional, TBH. But after seeing two summer league games, I'll take that gamble.

[vy65]

If Castle could shoot reliably then he would have gone #1 in the draft and would be helping Atlanta devalue our next 3 first round picks.

His poor shooting was the cost of being able to acquire him. That part of his game is obviously a work in process, but his point guard skills are much better than advertised. I like his chances.

He plays much more mature than a 19 year old. He’s physical. Doesn’t speed up. And made several plays where it looked like he knew what he wanted to do well before anyone else did. As you said, he looks much better than advertised. If he learns to shoot, he could be an absolute stud. We’ll see how big of an if that is.

The downside: much of the rest of the pipeline looks like absolute ass.

[Darkwaters]

I don't want to make it sound like I hate him as a player. I really do like a lot of what he brings. But we have to be honest, he has to learn to shoot. Otherwise he will be a liability at a point in the game where you need him to knock down a shot.

I don't see a single person that disagrees with you.

[SpursFan86]

People in here thought his shooting issues were gone after Cissoko said he was great and he hit 2 threes in the first game :lol

I think it’s a little silly to buy into the idea that he just willingly chose to not take jumpers in college (or that his low %s were the result of anything else aside from him just not having a reliable jumper).

Everything else about his game has been extremely impressive. Overall it’s hard not to be pretty damn excited about him. I’m just trying to temper expectations because ultimately if he can’t ever be a respectable shooter then he’ll likely just be a solid role player.

I’d probably be a little more willing to look past the shooting if we didn’t already have another former top 10 pick who can’t shoot. The defensive potential with Castle/Sochan/Wemby is out of this world but I’m afraid it won’t matter if Castle/Sochan are both non-existent as shooters.

Regardless, the kid is 19 years old and his form isn’t awful so I’m choosing to be optimistic and believe he’ll figure it out. If he’s even an average shooter he’s going to be an incredibly valuable piece.

[benefactor]

So much of Castle and Sochan's future hinges on their ability to hit jumpers, same goes for Wesley and Cissoko. Not super confident on Spurs' ability to help them get there though, but getting the best shooting coaches money can buy should be a top priority.
There is a lot of hand waving here when it comes to being able to shoot. We have a lot of posters that are living in 2007 thinking that all you have to be is a good defender and everything else will work out somehow on its own. Yes you need to be a good defender, but it is a shooter's league now. You have to be able to knock down shots if you are a guard for a forward. You negate a lot of the good work you do on the defensive end when you go down to the other end and shoot 20% from three point range.

[SpursFan86]

There is a lot of hand waving here when it comes to being able to shoot. We have a lot of posters that are living in 2007 thinking that all you have to be is a good defender and everything else will work out somehow on its own. Yes you need to be a good defender, but it is a shooter's league now. You have to be able to knock down shots if you are a guard for a forward. You negate a lot of the good work you do on the defensive end when you go down to the other end and shoot 20% from three point range.

I agree. That’s why the Dillingham trade was such a kick in the nuts. It’s not even about thinking Dillingham is a lock to pan out as an all-star…it was just nice to see us finally draft someone who can already shoot as opposed to: “Well this guy does a lot of things right, if he can just develop his 3 ball then he’ll be awesome!”

[Dejounte]

People forget that Wemby wasn’t a great shooter on his Euro League team and was a poor shooter for the first half of the NBA season. He kept shooting anyway. It’s a great sign that Castle shoots it anyway. The confidence is important. So are the long hours at the gym. Wemby reportedly was the first in and last person out of the gym. If Castle is the same, he’ll reach the same percentages Wemby did by the end of the season.

[Mr. Body]

I get concerns about Castle's shooting, but I don't much care. He's going to work on it, hard, and it's going to come around. Dude's all of 19 years old, even if he's built like he's 27. I see confidence issues; he wants to make them, is thinking too much.

What I reeeeeaaally liked about him is almost exactly the same that popped my eyes open with Wemby during the SL last year: the passing and sense of the court. I didn't realize Wemby was such an incredible passer. Even in his first game, the supposedly terrible one, he was dropping passes and picking guys out that I wasn't sure why people weren't raving about.

Castle isn't the flashy passer, and maybe not at the same level, but the way he sees the court is innate. Even closely guarded he sees the skip across the court, or spinning in the lane he innately knows how this is opening things up for his big. There was a pass near the end that I remember Oberto doing once, a very short bounce pass under the rim to his big, a smart bounce where a wrap-around, which nearly every other player would do (especially a young one), would get picked off, and Castle bounced it. (White guy missed the bunny, but still.)

Even as he's in action, he's seeing everything around him, and that's going to be superb for us. His vision and decision making are already at a high level.

[spurraider21]

There are people who wanted to draft 2 non shooters in the top 10 :lol

Buzelis, Topic, etc

[ace3g]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0qwGkp-6WQ


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Apafwk8_64g

[ace3g]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gWUx5dapqA


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umZFaLU-Xgc

[Robz4000]

Spurs need to do whatever it takes to bring Chip back tbh. If he wants to be head coach, let him imo.

[benefactor]

I get concerns about Castle's shooting, but I don't much care.
Oh we know you don't care. You're an idiot.

[Mugen]

Shot doesn't look that broken tbh. It's not as bad as somebody like Amen's or even Sochan's IMO. I think it eventually comes around.

But the handles, court vision and PG skills all look better than advertised. Pretty pumped for the kid tbh.

[TekXX]

We've got some morons in our FO who can't draft worth a shit but i'd be willing to give Castle some time to work on that jumper. Maybe he can reach Avery Johnson level and hit open jumpers...it's gotta be wide open.

[dn0774]

Really excited at the Castle pick after seeing his 2 summer league games. Glides across the floor, handle is better than I thought so far, not shy of contact, doesn't let the ball stick. I kinda rolled my eyes when I heard his agent putting it out there before the draft that he wants to be a pg...seems way more reasonable now. His shooting will be a work in progress as we knew, interesting to note he was missing short a lot. His form is solid, if not slow. We don't need him to be Curry or anything (it'd be nice ofc), just try to be at least league average-ish (around 37%) and teams will at least have to respect him. For a 19 year old, I am optimistic about the talent he has shown.

[ace3g]

I brought it up before and I have to believe the new shooting coach/staff was part of the reason for the change to Wemby's guide hand. That gives me confidence in the work they are doing with Sochan and the inevitable work with Castle.

This was from a practice in June '23 where his guide hand was much higher on ball (same problem Antetokounmpo has).

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F7znks3WQAAh4Ty?format=png&name=small

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F7zofFIXgAA5Qjw?format=png&name=small

Here is a photo from the open practice - October '23 of the new lowered guide hand placement.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F8HrbhKWoAAWdrr?format=png&name=small

[offset formation]

Not a great shooter, but the PG skills definitely look there. Upside as a wing sized creator is real.

His defense looks legit. It's just that shot man. It's tge main reason I wanted someone else. If he's able to get it though, he's a STEAL at 4.

Narrator: Seldom do they find it.

[timtonymanu]

I'm surprised the Spurs didn't trade for Giddey considering how obsessed they are with player that can't shoot. I think Castle's work ethic should help him figure things out but he really needs to work on that jumpshot. There's enough players for Vic to pass it to that already clank their open shots.

[timtonymanu]

Oh we know you don't care. You're an idiot.

You know he wouldn't be saying the same thing he was on another team. :lol

[callo1]

I think Castle has plenty of time to improve his shot. I'm not 100% sold on perfect form fixing player's shots, don't get me wrong, we all want to see Curry like form, but consistency of form alone will help Castle. There have been many really good shooters that had far from ideal form...Kevin Martin had very ugly shooting mechanics but was a very solid shooter.

[BackHome]

I see a lot of the Dillies Fan Boys in here today

[Chinook]

Not being able to shoot will eventually create a negative feedback loop where the team can't afford to give a player developmental minutes because they struggle to not have an overall negative impact on their team. It might not matter this year. But if it does, it'll be something like Sochan no longer being in closing lineups because Barnes is a reliable shooter and Paul, Vassell, Johnson and Wemby need that more than they need Jeremy's defensive versatility or driving. For Castle, he may not get as many wing minutes if he can't space the floor. Some people might think that's a good thing, but Paul and Jones are still going to get minutes. This would only limit Castle's ability to play with them during some of those minutes. But as time goes on, if those guys aren't able to play those positions in crunch time, then the Spurs have to continue to bring in players which can mean drafting Traore, trading for Garland, etc. Then because they guys are no longer "the future", they won't have the same pull for minutes if they aren't helping their teams.

That's why it's really hard to feel okay with a "We know, but" response to worries about Castle's or Sochan's shooting. For better or worse, players are going to start getting less and less runway, and a player coming in with a broken a shot is basically like a plane having faulty engines. It's going to become harder and harder for them to actually take off.

[Mr. Body]

2 games played for Castle and only 2 TOs during SL with this roster is impressive.

He's had a couple travels, a 8 second violation, and a play where he mishandled the ball and it went flying out of bounds instead of a lob. So I think he has more than two, but my point is these aren't really big problems. His handle is really tight for his size and age. He places his passes very well (and seems to know when defenders aren't looking), and his body control looks very good - I don't see a lot of charges in his future.

It's really promising. Those travels come from indecision in a new environment. I'd want him to get moving in the backcourt much faster; that's easy to do. Otherwise, he looks really efficient with the ball.

[spursparker9]

So much of Castle and Sochan's future hinges on their ability to hit jumpers, same goes for Wesley and Cissoko. Not super confident on Spurs' ability to help them get there though, but getting the best shooting coaches money can buy should be a top priority.

Castle is in different class compared to Sochan, Wesly and Cissoko as he has already showing ability for pull-up jumpers. That's the prerequisite for the rare go-get-a-bucket player.

The other 3 so far has only shown capability of being a spot up shooter.

[ace3g]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytCNKbNg9ZU


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PneUmY5adAQ


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UWn-9lTzbk

[Chinook]

Why do the press conferences look like they're in a Mac commercial?

[couchman]

Castle’s poor shooting is a big part of why I don’t see him starting.
I’m rooting for him and the kid does a lot well but he won’t amount to much unless he fixes the shot.

[sfernald]

Not being able to shoot will eventually create a negative feedback loop where the team can't afford to give a player developmental minutes because they struggle to not have an overall negative impact on their team. It might not matter this year. But if it does, it'll be something like Sochan no longer being in closing lineups because Barnes is a reliable shooter and Paul, Vassell, Johnson and Wemby need that more than they need Jeremy's defensive versatility or driving. For Castle, he may not get as many wing minutes if he can't space the floor. Some people might think that's a good thing, but Paul and Jones are still going to get minutes. This would only limit Castle's ability to play with them during some of those minutes. But as time goes on, if those guys aren't able to play those positions in crunch time, then the Spurs have to continue to bring in players which can mean drafting Traore, trading for Garland, etc. Then because they guys are no longer "the future", they won't have the same pull for minutes if they aren't helping their teams.

That's why it's really hard to feel okay with a "We know, but" response to worries about Castle's or Sochan's shooting. For better or worse, players are going to start getting less and less runway, and a player coming in with a broken a shot is basically like a plane having faulty engines. It's going to become harder and harder for them to actually take off.

The good news with Castle is that his shot looks 10x less broken than Sidy - dear god that is some ugly shit there!

[sfernald]

Castle’s poor shooting is a big part of why I don’t see him starting.
I’m rooting for him and the kid does a lot well but he won’t amount to much unless he fixes the shot.

Sochan was 31% 3point shooter last year. You think he will shoot worse than that his first year?

[onechance87]

Sochan was 31% 3point shooter last year. You think he will shoot worse than that his first year?

he could,He started to shoot worst as the season went on,And teams started to dare him to shoot.

[DPG21920]

Castle shot doesn’t look broken to me. It really does strike me, and I said as much in lead up to draft about my concerns with him, that he just has that Boris Diaw mentality where you have to coax him to be aggressive and confident.

Of course he has shooting issues but in seeing his shot it really doesn’t look jacked or anything.

[onechance87]

Castle is in different class compared to Sochan, Wesly and Cissoko as he has already showing ability for pull-up jumpers. That's the prerequisite for the rare go-get-a-bucket player.

The other 3 so far has only shown capability of being a spot up shooter.

he hasint shown the ability for pull up jumpers yet..Guy shot like two jumpers so far.Still has alot to prove offensively.Only time
well tell.

[Mugen]

Yeah, maybe it's copium but it looks fixable to me.

Like I don't expect a Nephew like progression but you don't have to squint very hard to see poor man's Jimmy Butler that everybody was comping pre-draft. That's a pretty damn good player to pair with Wemby tbh.

[playblair]

So much of Castle and Sochan's future hinges on their ability to hit jumpers, same goes for Wesley and Cissoko. Not super confident on Spurs' ability to help them get there though, but getting the best shooting coaches money can buy should be a top priority.
https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/539441691598802944/GKuobNJC_400x400.jpeg

[jesterbobman]

His defense looks legit. It's just that shot man. It's tge main reason I wanted someone else. If he's able to get it though, he's a STEAL at 4.

Narrator: Seldom do they find it.

I think there were two legit concerns with him going into the draft:
1. Is he a PG / good enough to play there to be on ball. I think that looks like a yes through two games of summer league. High school tape said yes, there were possessions of on ball at UConn, but he was mostly a wing.
2. The shooting.

1 / 2 looking cleared up already is great.

[RC_Drunkford]

Castle is obviously a good shooter in practice, but struggles in games. He himself said it's mostly a confidence thing. I really hope Pop encourages him to shoot 3s when he's open to fix this. The worst thing that can happen is Pop telling him he's not allowed to take them, cause he has to play this defined "role" that he's about to give him.

[r0drig0lac]

steph looks like a pg version of Jimmy Butler

[rascal]

Hey, we won a game.

I like this a whole lot better than losing by 25 or 30

China is bad

[Seventyniner]

steph looks like a pg version of Jimmy Butler

Let's not make this a thing.

But could you imagine a player with Curry's shooting and Castle's physical tools? Fun to daydream about.

[cutewizard]

Go Spurs go........

[tmtcsc]

He’s going to be fine. I have no concerns with his shooting right now. He has abilities that aren’t easily taught & I believe he has some dawg in him. This team needs & will benefit from it.

[offset formation]

I think there were two legit concerns with him going into the draft:
1. Is he a PG / good enough to play there to be on ball. I think that looks like a yes through two games of summer league. High school tape said yes, there were possessions of on ball at UConn, but he was mostly a wing.
2. The shooting.

1 / 2 looking cleared up already is great.

Agree. I was also questioning whether or not he really had a nose for defense or if it was a fluke college thing. His two games thus far show he's legit. I knew he was a good finisher which we do not have right now at the PG spot.

So yeah, just the shooting. Hopefully CP3 teaches him some stuff so his midrange becomes deadly. You get a solid finisher playing good D, with a solid midrange game and that's all I could ever ask for. 3 pt shooting would be cherry on top. We might have lucked out with this kid. One other thing I was completely oblivious to in his game is his heart. He's got a nasty streak and I bet pop lived that. CP3 will serve to hone that even further and make him into a dog. Win-win.

I just hope he finds a *consistent* shot. If so I'll gladly eat my crow on suggesting we not take him at 4 because he'd probably have been gone by 8.