Is it a rumor that Brandon Ingram is coming to the Spurs?

[xellos88330]

I just read somewhere that Ingram is headed here for Collins, Johnson, and like 4 picks. Anyone confirm?

Edit: LINK - https://www.yardbarker.com/nba/articles/trade_proposal_sends_brandon_ingram_to_spurs_keldo n_johnson_zach_collins_draft_picks_to_pelicans/s1_17038_40608206

[scott]

I would put the odds of this happening (the way you laid it out) as about the same as the odds of Tim Duncan coming out of retirement

[Spurs Homer]

I just read somewhere that Ingram is headed here for Collins, Johnson, and like 4 picks. Anyone confirm?



:pop:
"the only Brandon we need here in san antonio - is dark Brandon!"

[exstatic]

Ingram is just a taller DeRozan, a volume mid range scorer who will be death to any team that builds around him.

[spurraider21]

Ingram isn’t nearly as good a facilitator as Derozan but isn’t quite the defensive liability Derozan is either. He also theoretically can catch and shoot 3s though is volume has gone down recently

[Darkwaters]

I would put the odds of this happening (the way you laid it out) as about the same as the odds of Tim Duncan coming out of retirement

https://media1.tenor.com/m/VKU7xwwZJ_EAAAAC/dumb-and-dumber-lloyd.gif

[Spurs9]

We already got the Ingram we need.

[NASpurs]

I just read somewhere that Ingram is headed here for Collins, Johnson, and like 4 picks. Anyone confirm?

Link?

[SpurSpike]

Sure, so long as the picks are second round lol.

[ismael-robert]

Dude probably read one of those click bait articles saying spurs add ingram for xyz then when u take time to read it it's just some sites made up PROPOSAL

[Knoxxx]

I just read somewhere that Ingram is headed here for Collins, Johnson, and like 4 picks. Anyone confirm?

Link!?!?

[RC_Drunkford]

Sure, so long as the picks are second round lol.

exactly my thoughts

[Seventyniner]

I just read somewhere that Ingram is headed here for Collins, Johnson, and like 4 picks. Anyone confirm?

I think you're mixing up the Spurs being rumored to be inquiring about Brandon Ingram with potential trade packages for Lauri Markkanen.

The Keldon + Collins + 4 picks package is a plausible Spurs offer for Markkanen. There's no way Brandon Ingram is worth anywhere close to that.

[ChumpDumper]

I just read somewhere that Ingram is headed here for Collins, Johnson, and like 4 picks. Anyone confirm?

Wouldn't you be the one to confirm what you read?

[exstatic]

I think you're mixing up the Spurs being rumored to be inquiring about Brandon Ingram with potential trade packages for Lauri Markkanen.

The Keldon + Collins + 4 picks package is a plausible Spurs offer for Markkanen. There's no way Brandon Ingram is worth anywhere close to that.

New Orleans doesn’t want to pay him, so why should we? And surrender picks, on top of a bad contract? No thanks.

[slick'81]

I dont think it is a real
rumor

[Bruno]

It likely come from this article:
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10127567-1-trade-every-nba-team-can-make-right-now


Every franchise has more moves it can make, which brings us to this exercise, where we'll hypothetically wheel and deal our way into one realistic trade option each club could explore.


Trade idea: Keldon Johnson, Zach Collins, a 2025 first-round pick (top-10-protected, via CHI), a 2025 first-round pick (lottery-protected, via CHA), a 2025 second-round pick (via CHI), a 2025 second-round pick (via NOP) and a 2026 second-round pick (via UTA) to the New Orleans Pelicans for Brandon Ingram

It isn't a rumor. It is just a writer having fun creating trades he likes.

[exstatic]

It likely come from this article:
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10127567-1-trade-every-nba-team-can-make-right-now





It isn't a rumor. It is just a writer having fun creating trades he likes.

Trade machine follies.

[Mal]

I just read somewhere that Ingram is headed here for Collins, Johnson, and like 4 picks. Anyone confirm?

No way this is being considered. Maybe if one of the picks is this Charlotte pick, that wont convey and couple SRP`s

[ismael-robert]

We can confirm u read a rumor

[xellos88330]

Link!?!?

https://www.yardbarker.com/nba/articles/trade_proposal_sends_brandon_ingram_to_spurs_keldo n_johnson_zach_collins_draft_picks_to_pelicans/s1_17038_40608206

[Ariel]

So this thread is about the rumor of an article about a trade proposal by a random internet poster? this may be a new low for ST threads, even by Atl_Spur and kht standards.

[k830713]

What contract would you give for Ingram?

[exstatic]

What contract would you give for Ingram?

0$

[k830713]

People would rather give 50 million for Markannen than hire Ingram for less money.

[exstatic]

People would rather give 50 million for Markannen than hire Ingram for less money.

He’s a fake star, someone who looks good until you crunch the numbers. He wants too much money for someone who got benched in their last playoff game. He’s a midrange monster, and that’s the worst kind of player to overpay. Markannen scores at the two most efficient places: at the cup and beyond the arc. His TS% the last two years was 64 and 63.1. Ingram’s were 58 and 57.8.

[spurraider21]

0$
your takes will be great if the spurs trade for him :lol

[scott]

To seriously answer the question, I think something like FVV's 3/$128MM (adjusted for capflation) with a third year team option sounds about right for BI.

[k830713]

128/3 Ingram > 214/4 Markannen + extra picks

[scott]

128/3 Ingram > 214/4 Markannen + extra picks

Strongly disagree, but we're all allowed to have our own opinions.

[Spurs Brazil]

https://twitter.com/PaulGarciaNBA/status/1812884628077793641

[taps]

It was a rumor!

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

Rumor confirmed

[TrainOfThought5]

128/3 Ingram > 214/4 Markannen + extra picks

214/4 with Markannen probably comes with at LEAST a couple Finals appearances

[k830713]

214/4 z Markannenem prawdopodobnie wiąże się z PRZYNAJMNIEJ kilkoma występami w finale
Markannen only played 2 games in the Play-in, he didn't play any in the Play-off, and you want him to lead Spurs to the Finals.

[tbdog]

I always thought Ingram would turn out better than J Brown and Tatum. I am obviously wrong. I thought he will be the better defender. I suppose he is. I also thought he would have more to his game. I suppose he kinda does. But Ingram doesn't do many things that an NBA team needs you to do well in for a max(ish)player, but rather he does lots of things well enough. He isn't a good three point shooter but an excellent mid ranger. He isn't a good rebounder. He isn't a good play maker but rather, good enough. He just seems like a third best player type of guy. And we kinda got that in Vassell. At least Vassell is deadeye from 3.

[CGD]

https://twitter.com/PaulGarciaNBA/status/1812884628077793641

I also think this means they’ve relaxed their interest in Markenen. Very interested to see how Utah plays that August 6 extension date.

[LeBowen]

I always thought Ingram would turn out better than J Brown and Tatum. I am obviously wrong. I thought he will be the better defender. I suppose he is. I also thought he would have more to his game. I suppose he kinda does. But Ingram doesn't do many things that an NBA team needs you to do well in for a max(ish)player, but rather he does lots of things well enough. He isn't a good three point shooter but an excellent mid ranger. He isn't a good rebounder. He isn't a good play maker but rather, good enough. He just seems like a third best player type of guy. And we kinda got that in Vassell. At least Vassell is deadeye from 3.

Tbh, he definitely looked like he had a higher potential ceiling, but being stuck in two bad enviroments for player development and not having the right mentality derailed his career.
Now he's just going to treadmill through a couple more contracts without ever being relevant.

If he got drafted by a well-ran franchise, he would've surely been better, but now it's too late.

[Ice009]

Tbh, he definitely looked like he had a higher potential ceiling, but being stuck in two bad enviroments for player development and not having the right mentality derailed his career.
Now he's just going to treadmill through a couple more contracts without ever being relevant.

If he got drafted by a well-ran franchise, he would've surely been better, but now it's too late.

Do you think he would have been a better player if he was traded to the Spurs in a package for Kawhi, or do you think he'd already started off the wrong way with his time on the Lakers before heading to NO? I wanted him a few years ago, but don't think I'd take him now unless it was for a discount like Brunson gave the Knicks.
Then again, is he even worth Brunson money? I wonder if the Spurs really were interested in trading for him, and if so, are they thinking he's a max player? I don't think there is/was any truth to this as I doubt the Spurs view him as a max player, so therefore, there'd be no reason to trade for him knowing he'd want a max contract.

[jeebus]

I also think this means they’ve relaxed their interest in Markenen. Very interested to see how Utah plays that August 6 extension date.

I should hope so. His asking price isn't worth it and if Brian Correct pulled the trigger, then they'd become the new Hawks of overpay.

[poopbox]

Would have loved to have Ingram. He is in the worst possible place a player like him can be in (number 1 option Zion is always hurt and CJ doesn't do anything at the point guard spot but hunt for his own shot). In the right situation, and the Spurs would be the right situation with Wemby as the no brainer number 1, Ingram would flourish and possibly be an all nba level player.

I wonder what the asking price was for him. If we could get Ingram for half or 3/4th of what it would take to get Lauri it would be a no brainer. Hopefully the Spurs revisit in the off season.

A starting lineup of Wemby Ingram Devin and Castle...by year 3 would be a top 5 lineup in the league with everyone still young to relatively young.

[LeBowen]

Do you think he would have been a better player if he was traded to the Spurs in a package for Kawhi, or do you think he'd already started off the wrong way with his time on the Lakers before heading to NO? I wanted him a few years ago, but don't think I'd take him now unless it was for a discount like Brunson gave the Knicks.
Then again, is he even worth Brunson money? I wonder if the Spurs really were interested in trading for him, and if so, are they thinking he's a max player? I don't think there is/was any truth to this as I doubt the Spurs view him as a max player, so therefore, there'd be no reason to trade for him knowing he'd want a max contract.

His first few years were fine, but then the AD talk started and it was a really bad enviroment for young players.
NOLA is always imploding, franchise player is injured and their rosters were always dysfunctional.

Right now he's worth more than 25-30 million a year after Dort embarrassed him in the first round. He'll have to play for his next contract.
He also has a knack for those nagging injuries that don't go away.



Would have loved to have Ingram. He is in the worst possible place a player like him can be in (number 1 option Zion is always hurt and CJ doesn't do anything at the point guard spot but hunt for his own shot). In the right situation, and the Spurs would be the right situation with Wemby as the no brainer number 1, Ingram would flourish and possibly be an all nba level player.

I wonder what the asking price was for him. If we could get Ingram for half or 3/4th of what it would take to get Lauri it would be a no brainer. Hopefully the Spurs revisit in the off season.

A starting lineup of Wemby Ingram Devin and Castle...by year 3 would be a top 5 lineup in the league with everyone still young to relatively young.

Ingram is an all-NBA player in theory, Lauri's numbers are way better.
The only thing Ingram has on Lauri is playmaking.
Lauri even played 12 more games in past two seasons while being shut down at the end of both.

The only way I'd consider Lauri is if it's a salary dump trade by NOLA.
Keldon and Collins for Ingram.
They still need a big with some experience and Keldon is a solid bench guy.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

The only way I'd consider Lauri is if it's a salary dump trade by NOLA.
Keldon and Collins for Ingram.
They still need a big with some experience and Keldon is a solid bench guy.

NO's problem is that they have to pay Trey Murphy and they can't take on a lot of money for next season because they already have three $30+ mil contracts, which makes the Collins and Keldon package unsuitable, even if the Spurs offer a pick or two as well.
NO also don't have mid sized tradable contracts, assuming Herb Jones is off limits. SA and NO are bad trading partners at the moment.

[LeBowen]

NO's problem is that they have to pay Trey Murphy and they can't take on a lot of money for next season because they already have three $30+ mil contracts, which makes the Collins and Keldon package unsuitable, even if the Spurs offer a pick or two as well.
NO also don't have mid sized tradable contracts, assuming Herb Jones is off limits. SA and NO are bad trading partners at the moment.

The cap will rise by $14M and they'll have CJ on expiring $30M next year.
Keldon isn't a negative asset, he can easily get them a late FRP and wouldn't need to be dumped.

Imo, they're desperately looking to trade Ingram for any kind of useful big because going into the season with rookie Missi and Theis isn't good enough if they're to make the playoffs.

[MultiTroll]

Markannen only played 2 games in the Play-in, he didn't play any in the Play-off, and you want him to lead Spurs to the Finals.
Exactly. Lets calm down on giving this guy a bag until we know he's going to come thru with Wemby in a big playoff game.

Ingrahm? No. Unless getting relieved of something like Keldon, 2R and filler crap. And a swap of coaches.

[TD 21]

Setting aside this being a proposal from a writer, I have zero interest in Ingram and I don't believe the Spurs will either.

He's the definition of a pseudo star. He subsists on a steady diet of mid rangers, without the volume free throws and/or 3's to derive high efficiency from. He's also just okay as a play maker, at best that good as a defender and lacks durability.

If he's your first option, you're not going anywhere and if he's not, his middling secondary skills render him a tricky fit.

[Trueblood]

I think you're mixing up the Spurs being rumored to be inquiring about Brandon Ingram with potential trade packages for Lauri Markkanen.

The Keldon + Collins + 4 picks package is a plausible Spurs offer for Markkanen. There's no way Brandon Ingram is worth anywhere close to that.

Nah, he's right if it's the same thing I read the other day. They identified the picks as the Charlotte and Chicago 1st with some 2nds. Since neither of those first will convey the whole "Collins + Keldon and multiple first rounders" the author was using was somewhat misleading.

It'd be one of those things where the Spurs could get a player with only really giving up second round picks but New Orleans casual fans would get excited because it looks like they're getting a couple 1st.

[Mr. Body]

Nah, he's right if it's the same thing I read the other day. They identified the picks as the Charlotte and Chicago 1st with some 2nds. Since neither of those first will convey the whole "Collins + Keldon and multiple first rounders" the author was using was somewhat misleading.

It'd be one of those things where the Spurs could get a player with only really giving up second round picks but New Orleans casual fans would get excited because it looks like they're getting a couple 1st.

The issue with Ingram isn't really whether he's good but his salary point. He's a casualty of the new CBA similar to Zach LaVine where they're nowhere near worth the max. In the past, teams would have automatically maxed Brandon Ingram and figured out the rest of the salaries later. Now, they are extremely uncomfortable doling out too much money for non-superstars.

Or, they should be. At least the middle class teams, non-contenders, need to worry about this stuff. Teams like Boston are going all in with gargantuan salaries while their windows are open.

[ChumpDumper]

Markannen only played 2 games in the Play-in, he didn't play any in the Play-off, and you want him to lead Spurs to the Finals.
I think he wants Wemby to lead the Spurs to the Finals tbh.

[exstatic]

His first few years were fine, but then the AD talk started and it was a really bad enviroment for young players.
NOLA is always imploding, franchise player is injured and their rosters were always dysfunctional.

Right now he's worth more than 25-30 million a year after Dort embarrassed him in the first round. He'll have to play for his next contract.
He also has a knack for those nagging injuries that don't go away.




Ingram is an all-NBA player in theory, Lauri's numbers are way better.
The only thing Ingram has on Lauri is playmaking.
Lauri even played 12 more games in past two seasons while being shut down at the end of both.

The only way I'd consider Lauri is if it's a salary dump trade by NOLA.
Keldon and Collins for Ingram.
They still need a big with some experience and Keldon is a solid bench guy.

Except he never has been. His highest vote finish was 24th, once. He’s made an ASG, once. He’s not a theoretical All NBA player, he’s barely a borderline All Star.

[LeBowen]

Except he never has been. His highest vote finish was 24th, once. He’s made an ASG, once. He’s not a theoretical All NBA player, he’s barely a borderline All Star.

I guess I should've explained it better.

In theory as in he could've gotten there if he was playing for a franchise that would improve his mentality and work ethic.
He had the potential, but now it's gone.

Everyone expected him to take another leap after that all-star season.

[exstatic]

I guess I should've explained it better.

In theory as in he could've gotten there if he was playing for a franchise that would improve his mentality and work ethic.
He had the potential, but now it's gone.

Everyone expected him to take another leap after tha all-star season.

:tu

[Trueblood]

The issue with Ingram isn't really whether he's good but his salary point. He's a casualty of the new CBA similar to Zach LaVine where they're nowhere near worth the max. In the past, teams would have automatically maxed Brandon Ingram and figured out the rest of the salaries later. Now, they are extremely uncomfortable doling out too much money for non-superstars.

Or, they should be. At least the middle class teams, non-contenders, need to worry about this stuff. Teams like Boston are going all in with gargantuan salaries while their windows are open.

His market is proving your point. No one is willing to pony up anything of value for him because they know that he’s looking for the max. They also know he’s not worth the second apron so it’s not worth it to throw resources at a one year rental. Guys like him are going to need to eat some humble pie with these new CBA rules because the days of maxing out above average but injury prone players are over.