Game Thread: San Antonio Spurs vs Hawks @ 7 PM CT - Summer League Game #5

[ace3g]

https://x.com/spurs/status/1812502315884220501

https://x.com/NBA/status/1812521483555549539

[Russ]

Hope they let Castle play.

Can't wait to see Djurisic.

Gotta get there for the earlier game -- Sarr.

[NickiRasgo]

Will Castle play?

[BackHome]

Hope they let Castle play.

Can't wait to see Djurisic.

Gotta get there for the earlier game -- Sarr.

Was really hoping Spurs would have picked Furphy or Djurisic with our first second round pick. The Hawks had a good draft all things considered;

Rischer
Djurisic
Pelle Larson

[Mugen]

Would be pleasantly surprised if Castle plays tbh.

[onechance87]

any word on castle playing today

[jermaine]

After that hard fall, I'd be surprised

[RC_Drunkford]

Castle better be playing for the Castle vs. Risacher storyline

[Degoat]

ESPN Broadcast acting as if Castle is playing next

[Spurs Brazil]

https://twitter.com/tom_orsborn/status/1812623916650946867

[ace3g]

There it is...

https://x.com/tom_orsborn/status/1812623916650946867

[Degoat]

Damnit!!!!

[LeBowen]

I guess it's Bouyea and Sidy show.

[jermaine]

Just ruined my night. Welp, time to get ready for bed.

[Russ]

https://twitter.com/tom_orsborn/status/1812623916650946867

Hopefully Castle plays Tuesday.

[lefty20]

Guess it's time to focus on copa instead.

[Russ]

Sheppard killing it.

Sarr not killing it.

[Dex]

Would like to see him, but if there is anything at all sore with that wrist, not worth it for Summer League. And this also could just be normal B2B rest

[CorrectCrusader]

Really fuckin sucks that the Rockets got Reed. He's gonna be the best player from this draft by far

[onechance87]

hopefully ingram or sidy do a decent job at guarding risacher

[Spurs Brazil]

https://twitter.com/tom_orsborn/status/1812637242999164951

[RC_Drunkford]

No reason to watch summer league anymore

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[CorrectCrusader]

https://twitter.com/tom_orsborn/status/1812637242999164951

Bruh, boring as

[Mugen]

Played 1 game :lol

[heyheymymy]

fuck mn that sucks to hear Castles out for the rest of SL

oh well i saw what I needed to see. Real excited for Olympics Wemby and next season

[Dejounte]

That was a freak accident. Spurs are lucky it wasn’t worse than a sprain

[onechance87]

https://twitter.com/tom_orsborn/status/1812637242999164951

ffs..we are never gonna develop castle with this shitty team.i expect tre and branham to get playing time over castle.
Its just the way we operate.We did the same shit to white and murray.

[TekXX]

It's the Spurs, we invented sitting guys at the mere thought of a potential injury.

[poopbox]

Literally no point in watching summer league now

[Degoat]

Wow such a crock of shit

[ace3g]

Bouyea !!!

[J_Paco]

ffs..we are never gonna develop castle with this shitty team.i expect tre and branham to get playing time over castle.
Its just the way we operate.We did the same shit to white and murray.

Were either of them a top 5 pick in the draft?

He'll get plenty of time either starting or coming off the bench. My money is on him starting at SF, even if he's a little undersized for the position.

Gonna watch the first quarter then I'm out. LOLOL

Dude nearly broke his wrist and was noticeably off after going down, but people are upset he's shut down? These games are meaningless and won't matter come October - November.

[Dex]

ffs..we are never gonna develop castle with this shitty team.i expect tre and branham to get playing time over castle.
Its just the way we operate.We did the same shit to white and murray.

White and Murray were late first round picks, not #4. We also had a cast of vets surrounding them at that point. Were they supposed to bench HoF Tony Parker for rookie Murray?

Castle is going to play. He may not start day one, but he will be on the court health-willing.

[LeBowen]

This is a rough watch.

[Dejounte]

Folks who wanted Risacher should stick around and watch the game tbh

[Spurs Brazil]

Cissoko playing good D

[ace3g]

#59 for the Spurs SL looks like they did the numbers on the back of the jersey with white duct tape.

[J_Paco]

Don't the Spurs still have one Two-Way and one regular roster spot free?

These UDFA's and G-League guys are still playing to possibly fill one of those spots.

[onechance87]

want to see sidy and ingram to outplay risacher...That would be cool.

[siraulo23]

�� no castle rest of the summer league

[Uriel]

The Spurs organization is honestly too conservative with these injuries, treating a 19-year old kid as if he were a 39-year old veteran. They need to do a cost-benefit analysis here. The benefit of shutting down Castle is that you eliminate the risk that he re-injures the wrist. Okay. But the cost is that he doesn’t get any more reps from playing in summer league and playing in game situations as the lead ball handler. To me, the risk of re-injuring the wrist is relatively smaller than the benefit of getting more playing time.

I personally would have sat him one or two games to let him heal up, then put him back on the floor, instead of sitting him out of summer league entirely. They’re just being way too cautious, in my view.

[J_Paco]

�� no castle rest of the summer league

Yes, sprained his wrist on that nasty fall he took last night. Spurs being precatious with the injury so he's shut down.

[baseline bum]

No reason to watch summer league anymore

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Fucking Ingram not only being useless but actively sabotaging the team with that hit on Castle

[Devi8or]

Damn, RIP to #97s ankles

[heyheymymy]

nah no sense in even risking it over summer league

there's enough data, Castle is who we thought he was

moving on

[onechance87]

The Spurs organization is honestly too conservative with these injuries, treating a 19-year old kid as if he were a 39-year old veteran. They need to do a cost-benefit analysis here. The benefit of shutting down Castle is that you eliminate the risk that he re-injures the wrist. Okay. But the cost is that he doesn’t get any more reps from playing in summer league and playing in game situations as the lead ball handler. To me, the risk of re-injuring the wrist is relatively smaller than the benefit of getting more playing time.

I personally would have sat him one or two games to let him heal up, then put him back on the floor, instead of sitting him out of summer league entirely. They’re just being way too cautious, in my view.

agreed...he may not get this chance for awhile.Even its just summer league,Think it would help him alot getting these reps handling
the ball.

[heyheymymy]

Looks like K Bufkin is on the roster but DNP what am I missing here is he injured or something

[onechance87]

this should be duke jr time to shine and hes out to wtf.This team needs some fire power.

[thiste]

No reason to watch summer league anymore

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When I saw that he wouldn't play today I instantly knew it was because of that fall on his wrist. Not surprised he's done with SL.

[Uriel]

I have to say, I really like the summer league format. 40 minute games, fewer commercial breaks, the game is over in 1 1/2 hours. Much better than the 2 1/2 hour slog of most NBA games.

[tonight...you]

this should be duke jr time to shine and hes out to wtf.This team needs some fire power.
The summer league team?
Who gives a shit?

[Ocotillo]

Is Milner Jr like Brian Wright’s neighbors kid? How does he keep getting invited to the team?

[SpursFan86]

Mensah is solid. Wonder if he’s in the running for one of the two-ways.

[Uriel]

I have to say, the ball movement in this Spurs team has been awfully impressive.

[Spurs Brazil]

Ingram can’t make a shot

[exstatic]

The Spurs organization is honestly too conservative with these injuries, treating a 19-year old kid as if he were a 39-year old veteran. They need to do a cost-benefit analysis here. The benefit of shutting down Castle is that you eliminate the risk that he re-injures the wrist. Okay. But the cost is that he doesn’t get any more reps from playing in summer league and playing in game situations as the lead ball handler. To me, the risk of re-injuring the wrist is relatively smaller than the benefit of getting more playing time.

I personally would have sat him one or two games to let him heal up, then put him back on the floor, instead of sitting him out of summer league entirely. They’re just being way too cautious, in my view.

It’s typical of the Spurs to shut down their top pick after like two games in Vegas anyway. So, he’s going home a game early with a sprained wrist.

[Uriel]

Risacher really feels like a Rashard Lewis type to me.

[Uriel]

It’s typical of the Spurs to shut down their top pick after like two games in Vegas anyway. So, he’s going home a game early with a sprained wrist.
Yeah, for their second year players.

[exstatic]

Is Milner Jr like Brian Wright’s neighbors kid? How does he keep getting invited to the team?

I always thought that Austin Spur Jeff Ledbetter was like RC’s illegitimate son. He had the ability to shoot, so was the PG(?) and got invited back year after year, even when he bolted to greener pasture and more money the year before.

[Uriel]

Trevino was pretty damn bad at the start of summer league, but he's improved a lot in such a short span of time.

[exstatic]

Yeah, for their second year players.

Wemby played two games last year. Sidy doesn’t seem to be going home yet.

[Dejounte]

Risacher really feels like a Rashard Lewis type to me.

Good thing we were able to easily get that kind of player in Harrison Barnes.

[Russ]

This ragtag outfit is 2-0 in Vegas.

[Uriel]

Wemby played two games last year. Sidy doesn’t seem to be going home yet.
Of course, that's Wemby. But IIRC, Sidy played the whole summer league.

[J_Paco]

Of course, that's Wemby. But IIRC, Sidy played the whole summer league.

Yeah, Sidy is a second round pick and needs a lot more seasoning than Wembanyama or Castle.

Castle can get reps in Summer workouts and during training camp/preseason, so risking further injury in meaningless games is asking for trouble.

[Russ]

Does anyone know what happened to Djurisic? He started the game and looked pretty good but then disappeared never to return. Injury?

[baseline bum]

Of course, that's Wemby. But IIRC, Sidy played the whole summer league.

Vassell played 2 games in 2021. Doesn't look like Sochan played any games in 2022.

[Uriel]

Vassell played 2 games in 2021. Doesn't look like Sochan played any games in 2022.
Okay, fine, I concede. Castle was probably going to be shut down early anyway, so it’s not so bad that he’s being held out now.

[spurraider21]

Iirc Sochan was hurt during what would have been his summer league

don’t recall Vassell

meanwhile primo was playing in summer league in year 2 as well

[K...]

Iirc Sochan was hurt during what would have been his summer league

don’t recall Vassell

meanwhile primo was playing in summer league in year 2 as well

Youngest player in the draft

[timvp]

Folks who wanted Risacher should stick around and watch the game tbh

Obviously it's too early to conclude anything but Risacher played exactly how I feared he'd play. He's tall and moves pretty well but I'd be scared as a Hawks fan that he doesn't even try to make plays in summer league. Can't draft Harrison Barnes No. 1.

[Dejounte]

Obviously it's too early to conclude anything but Risacher played exactly how I feared he'd play. He's tall and moves pretty well but I'd be scared as a Hawks fan that he doesn't even try to make plays in summer league. Can't draft Harrison Barnes No. 1.

Even Doris Burke and the other announcer were getting frustrated that he wasn’t involved more. Risacher is playing like who he’s been from the start. They can force feed him, and he’d get hot some games, but it’d start to be painstakingly obvious that an offense should never be built around him. Being the 1st pick would mean the Hawks would put pressure on him to be the top option on offense someday, and they’re going to fail miserably at it. He doesn’t have an aggressive bone in his body.

[baseline bum]

Obviously it's too early to conclude anything but Risacher played exactly how I feared he'd play. He's tall and moves pretty well but I'd be scared as a Hawks fan that he doesn't even try to make plays in summer league. Can't draft Harrison Barnes No. 1.

Man Sarr really fucked the Hawks over. They couldn't draft Sheppard to play next to Trae's half pint ass, and did Castle even work out for them with Trae and Dejounte there? They should have still taken Sarr. Risacher's scouting report looked like Barnes with less defense. At the time I would have still wanted him at 4 if he fell there AND if the Spurs could have traded up to 5 to get Castle but think I'd rather have that unprotected 2031 pick from MIN, the unprotected 2031 swap with SAC, and the top 1 protected 2030 swap from MIN over Risacher.

[Chinook]

This ragtag outfit is 2-0 in Vegas.

It's possibly the best SL team the Spurs have had since 2016. I'm not trying to imply the team is better without Castle. But in terms of what the summer league wants, I think they're going to be fine. Bouyea is a lead guard who has been seasoned for this level of play, and Ward has potential. Ingram has to iron out his play, but he's still helpful out there most of the time. I know timvp has been been down on Cissoko, but I've liked what I've seen from him compared to last year. As weird as it sounds, Mensah is possibly the best summer big the team has had (not counting Wemby) since Cory Jefferson. It's summer league, so the talent isn't great and is more inconsistent than anything else. Coaching is a bigger swing value than anything right now. If Trevino is good and is allowed to coach to win, they have a shot.

[taps]

Sidy’s got to be more aggressive with that (admittedly ugly) shot. I noticed a number of his usually dazzling passes get picked off [4 TO] as the defense sagged way off the jumper.

[JPB]

White and Murray were late first round picks, not #4. We also had a cast of vets surrounding them at that point. Were they supposed to bench HoF Tony Parker for rookie Murray?

Castle is thgoing to play. He may not start day one, but he will be on the court health-willing.

you do'nt put a pick number on the floor but a player and the pick does'nt make the player. TP was a 29th pick and he started after 4 games on a contending team. There's no rules, if you can start, you start, if you're not ready, you don't. Victor's not gonna spend the season watching Castle brick 3pointer after 3 pôinter if dude can shoot for his life.

Then Murray and White are better players, and then had bigger potential, than Castle will probalby ever be. I trade Castle for D White on a heartbeat, so retrospectively your argument can't stand.

[JPB]

Obviously it's too early to conclude anything but Risacher played exactly how I feared he'd play. He's tall and moves pretty well but I'd be scared as a Hawks fan that he doesn't even try to make plays in summer league. Can't draft Harrison Barnes No. 1.

Too early to draw conclusions bur Castle is playing exactly how I feared he would... Shooting 37% overall and 25% on 3 in 3 games. He's physical and moving well but as a spur fan I would be scared he's not really a playmaker and can't even make a shot in summer league. you don''t just pick a cutter with the #4 pick.

And Risacher is actually having a decent summer league so far dropping 17pts (7/16, 3/9 on 3, 5rbs, 2blk, 1 steal the game before) getting nice reiviews for his high BBIQ, lengh and mobility... Many Hawks fans I'm reading are actually seeing the potential and rather excited.

Not to mention Risacher's never been sold as a playmaker or 30pt a night guy. He's coming from a pro team with vet PGs. Playing in disorganised BB, among wannabees or rookies trying to assert themselves in messy games isn't the best configuration for him to let his high BBIQ speak... He'll be more comfortable with a real NBA PG and environment, living off of real playmakers in organised BB.

[exstatic]

Too early to draw conclusions bur Castle is playing exactly how I feared he would... Shooting 37% overall and 25% on 3 in 3 games. He's physical and moving well but as a spur fan I would be scared he's not really a playmaker and can't even make a shot in summer league. you don''t just pick a cutter with the #4 pick.

And Risacher is actually having a decent summer league so far dropping 17pts (7/16, 3/9 on 3, 5rbs, 2blk, 1 steal the game before) getting nice reiviews for his high BBIQ, lengh and mobility... Many Hawks fans I'm reading are actually seeing the potential and rather excited.

Not to mention Risacher's never been sold as a playmaker or 30pt a night guy. He's coming from a pro team with vet PGs. Playing in disorganised BB, among wannabees or rookies trying to assert themselves in messy games isn't the best configuration for him to let his high BBIQ speak... He'll be more comfortable with a real NBA PG and environment, living off of real playmakers in organised BB.

Your cognitive dissonance is stunning.

Castle shows high level PG chops in SL.

It’s just SL

Risacher shows some scoring in SL

Obviously, he’s going to be great, even if it was the same summer league Castle was in.

[Russ]

The most impressive thing about this team easily is their defense, it's nonstop harassing effort. I've never seen a Summer League team play defense with that unrelenting intensity.

It gives them an edge on almost every game.

[Dex]

you do'nt put a pick number on the floor but a player and the pick does'nt make the player. TP was a 29th pick and he started after 4 games on a contending team. There's no rules, if you can start, you start, if you're not ready, you don't. Victor's not gonna spend the season watching Castle brick 3pointer after 3 pôinter if dude can shoot for his life.

Then Murray and White are better players, and then had bigger potential, than Castle will probalby ever be. I trade Castle for D White on a heartbeat, so retrospectively your argument can't stand.

You can't possibly base Castle's future off what he did in a few summer league games.

If that was the case, Duncan was going to be a bust because he wasn't great in summer league either.

You should probably just pump the breaks a bit. Kawhi came in without a jump shot and became one of the most lethal shooters in the league.

[TVI]

You can't possibly base Castle's future off what he did in a few summer league games.

If that was the case, Duncan was going to be a bust because he wasn't great in summer league either.

You should probably just pump the breaks a bit. Kawhi came in without a jump shot and became one of the most lethal shooters in the league.

This. Kawhi couldn’t shoot for shit when he came into the league, but the Spurs player development did an amazing job with him, and Kawhi had a great work ethic before he didn’t.

[Dex]

This. Kawhi couldn’t shoot for shit when he came into the league, but the Spurs player development did an amazing job with him, and Kawhi had a great work ethic before he didn’t.

Granted, we still had Chip Engelland back then which helped...but the point remains, shooting can be fixed. It's much harder to teach the kind of pace and passing instincts that Castle comes in with.

[Ice009]

The most impressive thing about this team easily is their defense, it's nonstop harassing effort. I've never seen a Summer League team play defense with that unrelenting intensity.

It gives them an edge on almost every game.

Well if Kenny Trevino grew up watching Spurs games when he was young, then he knows what defense is, so if he's emphasizing that, it's GREAT to see. These guys are playing hard and that still has me interested to watch.

Defense and playing hard is actually the reason I liked Pop back in the 1996/1997 season. The Spurs may have had a lot of injuries and were lacking talent, but they played hard almost every game. That won me over that season and I really wanted to see what he could do when the Spurs had the talent back.
I hope Pop can somehow go back to being a little bit more like that old (younger) Pop.

[Russ]

Nikola Djurisic broke his foot in the first quarter of the game, explaining why he didn't return. Obviously he's out for the rest of the SL.