ESPN top 100 athletes in the 21st century

[ambchang]

https://www.espn.com/espn/story/_/id/40446224/top-100-athletes-21st-century

A number of nba players. Pretty bad list though.

[FrostKing]

Typical ESPN of recent past. Too much basketball and laughable force feeding their WNBA product. Never heard of half these broads and I grew up in the USA.

[DAF86]

lol Messi not being number one

[Raven]

and you wonder why they are bust

[FrostKing]

.

[Texas_Ranger]

you can tell this was made by a retard

[chubbs]

was wondering what the issue was, seemed reasonable overall. then i realized

kobe #10 + timmy #16 + spurfan logic = "durh:cryrhrhrhrhr :cryworst list :cryeverrrrrrrrrr:cry1!!!!!!!!!!1!:cry:cry:cry"

[FrostKing]

Simone Briles #7 after shitting the bed... in her prime... the last time the World even saw her compete.

[Tyronn Lue]

How is a car driver an athlete?

[daslicer]

was wondering what the issue was, seemed reasonable overall. then i realized

kobe #10 + timmy #16 + spurfan logic = "durh:cryrhrhrhrhr :cryworst list :cryeverrrrrrrrrr:cry1!!!!!!!!!!1!:cry:cry:cry"

I would also say ranking Curry ahead of Duncan was also ridiculous. Tom Brady at number 5 was too low. With his dominance in his sport as a GOAT you would think he would be top 3.

This list is basically who is the most popular athlete since 2000 with a little bit of compromise with ranking guys like Duncan who are not popular with high rankings to balance it out.

ESPN should just make a list that says most popular athletes since 2000 which they can then be honest with their biases.

[ambchang]

Most popular American athlete.

Christine Sinclair not making it despite so many women’s player on the list is pure ignorance.

Not a single figure or speed skater, no divers, no cyclists.

Shockingly few track players with Usain Bolt ranking so low is just pure blasphemy.

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:lmao Typical BSPN.

- Phelps at 1 in a sport where the pool is so shallow (mostly middle class and above white people).

- Brady at 5. Another sport where the pool is shallow (U.S.A. and to a far lesser extent Canada) and a sport of specialists.

- Bolt at 9 in a sport where he the pool is not only deep, but he put records that generally are broken relatively regularly out of reach.

- Bryant and Curry ahead of Duncan, O'Neal and Durant and Scumbag but no Davis is equally predictably and absurd.

[chubbs]

I would also say ranking Curry ahead of Duncan was also ridiculous. Tom Brady at number 5 was too low. With his dominance in his sport as a GOAT you would think he would be top 3.

This list is basically who is the most popular athlete since 2000 with a little bit of compromise with ranking guys like Duncan who are not popular with high rankings to balance it out.

ESPN should just make a list that says most popular athletes since 2000 which they can then be honest with their biases.

i mean steph may not have a greater NBA resume than duncan

but his effect on the game of basketball and the sports world in general is incomparably greater

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Federer over Novak :lmao

[MultiTroll]

Was Caitlyn Jenner top 5?

[DeadlyDynasty]

Threads like these are exactly what the Heebs at ESPN were hoping to achieve

[lefty]

How is a car driver an athlete?

Are you serious?

The real question is how is a beisbô playan athlete?

[Tyronn Lue]

:lmao Typical BSPN.

- Phelps at 1 in a sport where the pool is so shallow (mostly middle class and above white people).

- Brady at 5. Another sport where the pool is shallow (U.S.A. and to a far lesser extent Canada) and a sport of specialists.

- Bolt at 9 in a sport where he the pool is not only deep, but he put records that generally are broken relatively regularly out of reach.

- Bryant and Curry ahead of Duncan, O'Neal and Durant and Scumbag but no Davis is equally predictably and absurd.
I had to read that a couple times for obvious reasons :lol

[Tyronn Lue]

Are you serious?

The real question is how is a beisbô playan athlete?
I drive to work daily. Does that mean I can tell my doctor I exercise at least an hour a day?

As for baseball, they have to drive to the park so they are athletes too.

[daslicer]

i mean steph may not have a greater NBA resume than duncan

but his effect on the game of basketball and the sports world in general is incomparably greater

The ranking according to article was based on who accomplished the most in their sport since 2000 and not who had the greater impact. If you are basing it who accomplished more, I would say Duncan's accolades puts him head of Curry.

[chubbs]

The ranking according to article was based on who accomplished the most in their sport since 2000 and not who had the greater impact.
really? where did it say that?

[ambchang]

really? where did it say that?

Here:

Yes, ranking the top 100 most accomplished athletes since 2000 wasn't quite so easy after all -- but it sure was fun. Twenty-five years ago, the ESPN SportsCentury project ranked the top 100 North American athletes of the 20th century. Michael Jordan came in first, followed by Babe Ruth, Muhammad Ali, Jim Brown and Wayne Gretzky. (Ruth should have been No. 1, but hey, I'm a baseball writer.) We also ranked a horse: Secretariat came in at No. 35.

[lefty20]

They could've put all of these names on a wall, then thrown darts em and it still would've been a better list than whatever the fuck that was.

[chubbs]

Here:

Yes, ranking the top 100 most accomplished athletes since 2000 wasn't quite so easy after all -- but it sure was fun. Twenty-five years ago, the ESPN SportsCentury project ranked the top 100 North American athletes of the 20th century. Michael Jordan came in first, followed by Babe Ruth, Muhammad Ali, Jim Brown and Wayne Gretzky. (Ruth should have been No. 1, but hey, I'm a baseball writer.) We also ranked a horse: Secretariat came in at No. 35.

so it never said impact on the game had nothing to do with the ranking?

got it :tu

[FrostKing]

ESPN canned most of their long time seasoned journalist over a Decade ago in exchange for high paid media personalities. They also shrunk their media coverage to overwhelmingly domestic sports and narrowed down even further to just a handful of them. Justifying the move because it's women playing.

Personally I rather watch men's rugby or cricket instead of women's version of bball, softball etc. We are being sold inferior/cheaper product on the heels of social guilt.

[ambchang]

so it never said impact on the game had nothing to do with the ranking?

got it :tu

It also never said it’s not based on how many burgers they can eat in a meal. So you can assume they do. Got it.

[chubbs]

It also never said it’s not based on how many burgers they can eat in a meal. So you can assume they do. Got it.

so basically you are throwing in the towel

resignation accepted thanks for playing

[ambchang]

so basically you are throwing in the towel

resignation accepted thanks for playing

Take it how you want. Given your total lack of logic so far, I’m not surprised you got to this conclusion.

[FrostKing]

ESPN list isn't awful but there are too many agendas. For example overrating current athletes because it will be used to sell current product.

Few seem to still trust this brand. It's a shame. Most of us grew up on it.

[chubbs]

Take it how you want. Given your total lack of logic so far, I’m not surprised you got to this conclusion.

well considering the article is littered with dozens of comments on different athletes are focused on the impact the athletes had on their respective sports, seems like my logic was just fine. factual, actually.

obviously you didn't read anything, you just got butthurt over nothing

[ambchang]

well considering the article is littered with dozens of comments on different athletes are focused on the impact the athletes had on their respective sports, seems like my logic was just fine. factual, actually.

obviously you didn't read anything, you just got butthurt over nothing

They can state all they want but the criteria they set off wasn’t it. Which makes this a bad list. Get it?

[chubbs]

They can state all they want but the criteria they set off wasn’t it. Which makes this a bad list. Get it?

not sure how having a legendary and gamechanging impact on a sport isnt an accomplishment, or doesnt have anything to do with their performance

seems more like you are sticking to your own interpretation of what "accomplishment" and "performance" means, as opposed to how the writers of the article viewed it

but have fun crying some more about it! :toast

[ambchang]

not sure how having a legendary and gamechanging impact on a sport isnt an accomplishment, or doesnt have anything to do with their performance

seems more like you are sticking to your own interpretation of what "accomplishment" and "performance" means, as opposed to how the writers of the article viewed it

but have fun crying some more about it! :toast

So now it is legendary and game changing which by definition is subjective interpretation, but I cannot have any interpretation. But hey, you can define what the writer wanted but not anybody else.

[chubbs]

:crySo now it is legendary and ga:cryme changing which by de:cryfinition is subjective interpretatio:cryn, but I cannot have any int:cryerpretation. But hey, you can define :crywhat the writer wanted but not a:crynybody else.:cry:cry:cry

[ambchang]

I know you had to cry your way out. No need to announce it to the inter webs.

[chubbs]

:cryI know you had :cryo :cry:cry:cry your way out. No need to a:crynnounce it to the i:crynter webs.:cry:cry:cry:cry:cry:cry

[TD 21]

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@ 21:45

[chubbs]

:cry:cry:cry

[LkrFan]

Was Caitlyn Jenner top 5?

:lol

[ambchang]

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@ 21:45

Not only shaq and duncan, but pretty much every player who is associated with Kobe comes up worse.


It’s generally mental gymnastics by kobe stans.

Kobe is better than shaq because 5>4, essentially 2>1 because shaqobe was equal in the threepeat. Nevermind shaq won an mvp and all three finals mvp during that span
Kobe is better than duncan too
But how would kobe and shaq, who are both better than duncan, end up only 3-2 in their head to heads during that span? Well it’s because the other players suck. Karl Malone and Gary Payton were over the hill and they are no match for rip Hamilton and rasheed. Players like Rick fox, and Robert Horry are bums. And the entire failure of 2004 is due to devean george.
So what about the horrible 05-07 stretch? Well, Lamar sucked, Caron butler didn’t even exist and we can pile all the blame on smush Parker and Kwame brown, as in every other low seed in the entire nba are filled with superstars like Chris Kaman and Quinton Ross.
How would such a phenomenal player like Kobe not dominate the nba with that frontline in the late 00s? Well because mvpau didn’t put on his big boy pants even though he led the lakers in multiple advanced stats, Lamar odom sucked because he just does and Andrew Bynum don’t like basketball.
But then how did the lakers miss the playoffs six years in a row when it only missed the playoffs 5 times in the previous 60 years? Improving the year after kobe retired with a dreadful roster led by the likes of Jordan clarkson and Julius randle? Um… those years never existed.
Also, Phil Jackson sucks. Rudy T is the worst coach ever.

Pretty much the only person who came up well in this entire thing is Derek fisher.

[chubbs]

Not:cry only shaq and duncan, but pretty much eve:cryry player who is associated with Kobe comes up worse.:cry


It’s generally mental g:cryymnastics by kobe stans.

Kobe is better than shaq beca:cryuse 5>4, essentially 2>1 because shaqobe was equal in the threepeat. Nevermind shaq won an mvp and all :crythree finals mvp during that span
Kobe is bette:cryr than duncan too
But how would kobe and shaq, who are both better than duncan, end up only 3-2 in their head to heads during that span? Well it’s because the other players suck. Karl Malone and Gary Payton were over the hill and they are no match for rip Hamilton and rasheed. Players like Rick fox, :cryand Robert Horry are bums. And the entire failure of 2004 is due to devean george.
So what about the horrible 05-07 stretch? Well, Lamar sucked, Caron butler did:cryn’t even exist and we can pile all the blame on smush Parker and Kwame brown, as in ever:cryy other low seed in the entire nba are filled with superstars like Chris Kaman and Quin:cryton Ross.
How would such a ph:cryenomenal player like Kobe not dominate the nba with that frontline in the late 00s? Well because mvpau didn’t put on his big boy pants e:cryven though he led the lakers in multiple advanced stats, Lamar odom sucked because h:crye just does and Andrew:cry Bynum don’t like basketball.
But then how did the lakers miss the playoffs:cry six years in a row when it only missed the playoffs 5 times in the previous 60 years? Improving the year after kobe retired with a dreadful roster le:cryd by the likes of Jordan clarkson and Julius ran:crydle? :cryUm… those years never existed.:cry
Also, Phil Jackson sucks. Rudy T:cry is the worst coach ever.

Pretty much the onl:cryy person who came up well in this entire thing is Derek fisher.:cry:cry:cry

[Thread]

Not only shaq and duncan, but pretty much every player who is associated with Kobe comes up worse.


It’s generally mental gymnastics by kobe stans.

Kobe is better than shaq because 5>4, essentially 2>1 because shaqobe was equal in the threepeat. Nevermind shaq won an mvp and all three finals mvp during that span
Kobe is better than duncan too
But how would kobe and shaq, who are both better than duncan, end up only 3-2 in their head to heads during that span? Well it’s because the other players suck. Karl Malone and Gary Payton were over the hill and they are no match for rip Hamilton and rasheed. Players like Rick fox, and Robert Horry are bums. And the entire failure of 2004 is due to devean george.
So what about the horrible 05-07 stretch? Well, Lamar sucked, Caron butler didn’t even exist and we can pile all the blame on smush Parker and Kwame brown, as in every other low seed in the entire nba are filled with superstars like Chris Kaman and Quinton Ross.
How would such a phenomenal player like Kobe not dominate the nba with that frontline in the late 00s? Well because mvpau didn’t put on his big boy pants even though he led the lakers in multiple advanced stats, Lamar odom sucked because he just does and Andrew Bynum don’t like basketball.
But then how did the lakers miss the playoffs six years in a row when it only missed the playoffs 5 times in the previous 60 years? Improving the year after kobe retired with a dreadful roster led by the likes of Jordan clarkson and Julius randle? Um… those years never existed.
Also, Phil Jackson sucks. Rudy T is the worst coach ever.

Pretty much the only person who came up well in this entire thing is Derek fisher.

That's only because MSM thought Daddy was gonna best Kobe on the ring count...and went all in. Kobe catches a hanger in Florida in '09 and Fisher vs. Boston in '10 and all the sudden it's 5-4 Kobe. Mind you, MSM didn't have to go home, but they had to get the Hell outta there.

In reality it was all a put up job the entire way. Daddy & Kobe were never estranged, swapped baby sitting chores with each other, on & on. But it made great print for the scum MSM...Like Ruth & Gehrig, Bette Davis and Crawford, Mantle & Maris...all lies for commerce sake. Made a fortune.

[Thread]

Not only shaq and duncan, but pretty much every player who is associated with Kobe comes up worse.


It’s generally mental gymnastics by kobe stans.

Kobe is better than shaq because 5>4, essentially 2>1 because shaqobe was equal in the threepeat. Nevermind shaq won an mvp and all three finals mvp during that span
Kobe is better than duncan too
But how would kobe and shaq, who are both better than duncan, end up only 3-2 in their head to heads during that span? Well it’s because the other players suck. Karl Malone and Gary Payton were over the hill and they are no match for rip Hamilton and rasheed. Players like Rick fox, and Robert Horry are bums. And the entire failure of 2004 is due to devean george.
So what about the horrible 05-07 stretch? Well, Lamar sucked, Caron butler didn’t even exist and we can pile all the blame on smush Parker and Kwame brown, as in every other low seed in the entire nba are filled with superstars like Chris Kaman and Quinton Ross.
How would such a phenomenal player like Kobe not dominate the nba with that frontline in the late 00s? Well because mvpau didn’t put on his big boy pants even though he led the lakers in multiple advanced stats, Lamar odom sucked because he just does and Andrew Bynum don’t like basketball.
But then how did the lakers miss the playoffs six years in a row when it only missed the playoffs 5 times in the previous 60 years? Improving the year after kobe retired with a dreadful roster led by the likes of Jordan clarkson and Julius randle? Um… those years never existed.
Also, Phil Jackson sucks. Rudy T is the worst coach ever.

Pretty much the only person who came up well in this entire thing is Derek fisher.

...and Kobe because for once in his career, probably life he listened. 13 down 3rd quarter out of a TO Fisher Dutch Uncled him..."Stop whining!!! GD it!!! Go down into the paint and play defense. NOW, GD, NOW!" What did Kobe do? Dropped that game face for the first time in his life and did as he was told.

It's was Fisher's finest hour,,,Kobe's too...and honestly painful to watch because we'd never seen him in honest panic mode. As the end came into focus, victory for the taking, he was in agony. Nothing was hidden. Like Daddy on the restraining ropes in Indiana looking for his pa...that look of panic on his face. Took all the fun out of it. I just eased on back into the Lazy Boy.

[ambchang]

Thread, we all know you just make random rules on the whim to push your agenda, no matter how illogical those rules are. If you want to do ring count solely in measuring a player in a team sport, be my guest.

[Thread]

Thread (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=19320), we all know you just make random rules on the whim to push your agenda, no matter how illogical those rules are. If you want to do ring count solely in measuring a player in a team sport, be my guest.


That was the rule when Boston had the con. That.was.it. Nothing we accomplished would count until we beat them for all the marbles. Fuck me. I obeyed. I mourned, I cried, I pissed, I moaned. And I made peace with it in full knowledge that I'd never get off the snide. Ever. Lo & behold Magic took us to the promised land in June of '85. Well, of course the Celtics in close association with the MSM decided that it wasn't that big of a deal after all. Anybody that got to the dance didn't have to worry about finishing. tee, hee.

No, we ain't a gonna do that, kids. No. I swore then 39 years ago in Cleveland that everybody is gonna abide that original rule. I arrived in Phoenix and have been enforcing said dictate for the past 38 years. And that's just the way it's gonna be. That's how we started and we ain't goin' back. Ever. It's my religion.

[Thread]

Thread (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=19320), we all know you just make random rules on the whim to push your agenda, no matter how illogical those rules are. If you want to do ring count solely in measuring a player in a team sport, be my guest.

But peculiar to Daddy & Kobe it was a set up job as I have delineated. But of course we didn't find that out until AFTER Kobe had the 5-4 count. See, MSM is shrewd, they grudged Trump his Pre...I mean they grudged Kobe those 2 rings because there was no upside to him having the count advantage. Daddy didn't suffer well in front of the nation. Kobe was a natural, especially after the rape. So once Kobe had the advantage and it gonna hold we were told that Daddy and Kobe were really good buddies, baby sat each other's children, loved one another unconditionally. You know, amb:::yada, yada, yada.

I love when MSM gets thwarted, the crooked scum bastards.

[Thread]

Thread (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=19320), we all know you just make random rules on the whim to push your agenda, no matter how illogical those rules are. If you want to do ring count solely in measuring a player in a team sport, be my guest.

And because that's how MSM does it and guides "you" to do likewise...then when the jig is up MSM leave "you" sittin' there with your dick your hand. I've been there, had my dick in my hand wondering why the fuck I was by myself all the sudden when MSM was sittin' there before I blinked. Easy, MSM had changed direction and left us holding said dicks.

[ambchang]

Until trump is involved then it’s all rigged machines and lizard people.

[Thread]

Until trump is involved then it’s all rigged machines and lizard people.

Trump did that. He made President. That's all it took.

[Brazil]

lol Messi not being number one

I'm fine with Phelps number 1 tbh... for the rest this list is awful

[Neo.]

lol Messi not being number one

:lmao another retarded take from fap

[DAF86]

:lmao another retarded take from fap

Dude, the GOAT player of the GOAT sport always needs to be #1, tbh.

[Neo.]

Dude, the GOAT player of the GOAT sport always needs to be #1, tbh.

both are subjective and debatable

phelps is the greatest olympian ever and greatest swimmer ever and it's not even debatable

[DAF86]

Neither is debatable, tbrh.

[Neo.]

Neither is debatable, tbrh.

except they are.

[ambchang]

I'm fine with Phelps number 1 tbh... for the rest this list is awful

It's Phelps or Bolt for me, either is fine. Having Bolt at #9 is just hilariously bad.

[TD 21]

Dude, the GOAT player of the GOAT sport always needs to be #1, tbh.

:lmao Of course "GOAT sport" is subjective. We know it's the biggest (mostly thanks to a combination of how old and inexpensive it is), but that's not the same thing.

That doesn't mean he should be #1 overall, though the talent pool being arguably the deepest is a factor.

It's hard to put anyone above James considering the impact one can have in basketball is superior to any other team sport and the talent pool is deep.

[DAF86]

:lmao Of course "GOAT sport" is subjective. We know it's the biggest (mostly thanks to a combination of how old and inexpensive it is), but that's not the same thing.

That doesn't mean he should be #1 overall, though the talent pool being arguably the deepest is a factor.

It's hard to put anyone above James considering the impact one can have in basketball is superior to any other team sport and the talent pool is deep.

I think I know now what's your problem with Curry, Durant, Kobe, Warriors and, to a lesser extent, Kawhi and the Raptors. You are a Lebron stan.

[TD 21]

I think I know now what's your problem with Curry, Durant, Kobe, Warriors and, to a lesser extent, Kawhi and the Raptors. You are a Lebron stan.

Not at all. I wouldn't say I can't stand him, but I can tolerate him and be unbiased enough to set that aside.

Way to dispute anything I've said though.

[Neo.]

:lmao daf

[DAF86]

Not at all. I wouldn't say I can't stand him, but I can tolerate him and be unbiased enough to set that aside.

Way to dispute anything I've said though.

What do you want me to dispute? "Soccer is the best", "no, it's not", "yes, it is". I'm not feeling it right now. Maybe later, tbh.

[Neo.]

What do you want me to dispute? "Soccer is the best", "no, it's not", "yes, it is". I'm not feeling it right now. Maybe later, tbh.

you claimed it's not debatable. shouldn't be much of a dispute.

[DAF86]

you claimed it's not debatable. shouldn't be much of a dispute.

It really isn't. That's why I'm not into debating an undebatable thing, tbh.

[Neo.]

It really isn't. That's why I'm not into debating an undebatable thing, tbh.

or bc you don't have indisputable evidence

[DAF86]

fB5hb-pQzwQ?si=tO4fn3qjRF2TrPUj

8:10 minute mark.

[chubbs]

so nick wrights opinion on swimming provides indisputable proof that soccer is the goat sport and messi is the goat athlete?

:lmao fap

[DAF86]

so nick wrights opinion on swimming provides indisputable proof that soccer is the goat sport and messi is the goat athlete?

:lmao fap

No, I'm just providing a media take regarding this topic.

[chubbs]

No, I'm just providing a media take regarding this topic.

regarding soccer and messi? i failed to see any of that.

[DAF86]

regarding soccer and messi? i failed to see any of that.

Regarding the #1 guy on the list in the OP.

[chubbs]

Regarding the #1 guy on the list in the OP.

still had nothing to do with soccer or messi being #1 which was your claim to begin with :lmao

[DAF86]

still had nothing to do with soccer or messi being #1 which was your claim to begin with :lmao

What part of that particular post having nothing to do with soccer or Messi didn't you get?

I don't understand yall Mavkrew's shtick of coming off as special needs folks, tbh. :lol

[DeadlyDynasty]

I think I know now what's your problem with Curry, Durant, Kobe, Warriors and, to a lesser extent, Kawhi and the Raptors. You are a Lebron stan.
He’s had Lebron’s cock tickling his tonsils for years now tbf

[chubbs]

What part of that particular post having nothing to do with soccer or Messi didn't you get?

I don't understand yall Mavkrew's shtick of coming off as special needs folks, tbh. :lol

hm.


lol Messi not being number one


Dude, the GOAT player of the GOAT sport always needs to be #1, tbh.


What do you want me to dispute? "Soccer is the best", "no, it's not", "yes, it is". I'm not feeling it right now. Maybe later, tbh.

:rollin

[DAF86]

hm.







:rollin

What does any of that have to do with the video I posted? Dude, you are so fucking retarded. :lol

[chubbs]

What does any of that have to do with the video I posted? Dude, you are so fucking retarded. :lol

so basically you are still incapable of providing the "indisputable evidence" you previously claimed to have and was requested of you

got it, thx! :tu

[DAF86]

Such a dumb, dumb motherfucker. :lol

[chubbs]

:lmao its too easy

i honestly have come to wonder whos easier to get a rise out of, fap or joey?

[DAF86]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BlP6StFCQAAmgU7.jpg

[FrostKing]

Phelps

The battle against the Australians, Thorpe. The best stories need a great rival. Phelps always delivered and arguably grew in the moment. I agree with #1 ranking. Epic American.

[chubbs]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BlP6StFCQAAmgU7.jpg

:lmao imagine getting mad at others simply bc you cant back up your crappy claims

[TD 21]

He’s had Lebron’s cock tickling his tonsils for years now tbf

He was clearly the only example for this, unless you're going to have the audacity to attempt to argue someone else has been the best basketball player of the 21st century.

:lmao At MAGA tard turning on his own player because he doesn't like the fact that the big, scary, powerful black man has opposed his cult leader.

[Thanos]

Wasn’t it confirmed that 300 lb Prince Fielder and 300 lb Lane Johnson both run faster than Messi?

:lmao “best athlete of all time” being slower than 300 lb fat Americans