Biden, Shapiro, or Whitmer

[UNT Eagles 2016]

Probably in that order, because Biden has the most campaign money.

Anyone else gets the Democrats killed up and down the ballot in a massive red wave 2024.

The other two only because they're competent and can probably fundraise enough to be competitive (even though the Dems will still be at a massive spending disadvantage) and they're not polarizing unlike Harris. Shapiro's speech after the shooting was actually very presidential. Whitmer probably the least but she's demonstrated two terms of competency in a purple state.

Will Hunting (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=17032) is bullish on Tim Walz but he's relatively a no name and also good luck defending 10% state income taxes in an era where even many other Democrat governors have worked to lower state income taxes.

Harris or someone awful like Pritzker or Hillary at the top of the ticket gets the Dems killed. Also, Newsom is extremely unpopular outside of California and as for Buttigieg... the country as a whole is still way too Christian to stomach voting for an openly gay President.

[SnakeBoy]

I don't see how they pick a white over Kamala.

[Thanos]

lol you guys are actually worried now. You’re like the Falcons up 28-3.

[Winehole23]

What do VPs get elected for?

[ducks]

https://www.creators.com/read/david-harsanyi/07/24/why-would-any-legit-dem-presidential-prospect-jump-into-this-mess


Why Would Any Legit Dem Presidential Prospect Jump Into This Mess?

[ducks]

What do VPs get elected for?

Suppose to be the attack dog for the president and suppose to fill in if something happened or if he or she had surgery and could not be ready to use the nuke button

[Winehole23]

"to fill in if something happened"

[UNT Eagles 2016]

What do VPs get elected for?

Kacklemala was always an atrocious DEI pick in the heart of the DEI era. The left woked themselves into a corner unfortunately.


lol you guys are actually worried now. You’re like the Falcons up 28-3.
Eh, I'd say more reasonably compared to Seattle being up 24-14 over the Patriots in super bowl 49. You have overcome an early deficit and now built a cushion fairly late in the game, but it's far from insurmountable and you have a well oiled machine on the other side who hasn't yet really awaken, and now your defense is undermanned.

My gut feeling is this election is going to be razor thin and Biden will remain the nominee. It's going to come down to something akin to the decision to handoff the ball to Lynch at the one yard line or not to end the game that will make all the difference.

[ducks]

Ready for Round 2: Why we Need Hillary more than ever

https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/4780301-hillary-clinton-2024/amp/

[z0sa]

Kacklemala was always an atrocious DEI pick in the heart of the DEI era. The left woked themselves into a corner unfortunately.


Eh, I'd say more reasonably compared to Seattle being up 24-14 over the Patriots in super bowl 49. You have overcome an early deficit and now built a cushion fairly late in the game, but it's far from insurmountable and you have a well oiled machine on the other side who hasn't yet really awaken, and now your defense is undermanned.

My gut feeling is this election is going to be razor thin and Biden will remain the nominee. It's going to come down to something akin to the decision to handoff the ball to Lynch at the one yard line or not to end the game that will make all the difference.

What? Republicans have been more tuned in than ever in the Trump age. Both sides, really. Every single possible Trump voter turned out in 2020, and we all saw what happened. Trump and his camp are relying on two things to win: a similar amount of turnout on their end while apathy or a lack of likeability causes Biden or whomever's supporters to simply stay home. If the anti-trump vote is strong again, your side's toast basically no matter who (D) puts up. That's what polls didn't reflect in 2020 and likely, don't reflect now.

[GAustex]

It’s gonna be Hillary

[Ef-man]

It’s gonna be Hillary

It will be Harris

[UNT Eagles 2016]

It will be Harris

She'll lose

I'm secretly hoping it's Biden and he goes on to beat Trump. Biden fighting the Democrat establishment off and staying in it to win it would be more epic than Trump surviving the assassination attempts.

Trump was a good POTUS but he lost in 2020 and now he's jumped the shark

[Winehole23]

NYT galaxy brain

1814989243720286596

[Winehole23]

not sure if real yet

1815080881981190320https://x.com/JoeBiden/status/1815080881981190320

[Winehole23]

Biden reportedly endorses Kamala

[florige]

Biden reportedly endorses Kamala


Ugghh idk if she can beat Trump

[Winehole23]

Ugghh idk if she can beat Trumpwhy not? Trump can't even get to 50% against the weakest Democratic Party candidate since HRC.

Trump looks and sounds terrible: the too old torch just got passed to him.

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why not?

Because before Joe showed his ass at that debate she was shit. Since then MSM and DNC have been bringing her along quite nicely, repairing all the shit talk about her the past 4 years.

Because she's another race hustler taught the action by Hussein.

Same-Old-Shit.

[Thread]

not sure if real yet

1815080881981190320https://x.com/JoeBiden/status/1815080881981190320

Oh, it's real, daddy. Biden quit...in front of President Trump.

ha, ha.

[GAustex]

Biden QUIT
Trump did that

[florige]

why not? Trump can't even get to 50% against the weakest Democratic Party candidate since HRC.

Trump looks and sounds terrible: the too old torch just got passed to him.


I’m still not sure why the Dems went into full panic mode. But Biden seems to be declining really bad. Not sure how bad he would have gotten 4 months from now

[Winehole23]

I’m still not sure why the Dems went into full panic mode. But Biden seems to be declining really bad. Not sure how bad he would have gotten 4 months from nowthis might be anecdotal, but I've heard that there have been zero meetings of the Biden cabinet since October of last year. it's possible Biden is worse off than we've been led to believe.

[florige]

this might be anecdotal, but I've heard that there have been zero meetings of the Biden cabinet since October of last year. it's possible Biden is worse off than we've been led to believe.


I was giving him a pass after the debate I mean bad days do happen. But every other interview after that he still seemed pretty out of it. But it probably didn’t help matters any that he was obviously pressing to be perfect

[ElNono]

Ruth Bader Biden... smh

Needed to do this a year ago. Senility is serious business, folks.

[florige]

Ruth Bader Biden... smh

Needed to do this a year ago. Senility is serious business, folks.



That’s the problem with people with onset dementia. In their minds they are totally fine. My grandmother used to get really mad when we used to try and get her to stop doing certain stuff

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That’s the problem with people with onset dementia. In their minds they are totally fine. My grandmother used to get really mad when we used to try and get her to stop doing certain stuff

...you were stealing from her purse, flo. WTF!!!

[ducks]

Clinton’s endorse Harris

[Thread]

Ruth Bader Biden... smh

Needed to do this a year ago. Senility is serious business, folks.

...Trump wouldn't quit. They figured well we'll get him in the courts, hang a half billion judgment on him for rape and hit him with another 100+ indictments he'll crawl into a fetal position, and if that doesn't work we'll stake his chubby ass out in a corn field and...

[ElNono]

Of course he endorses Kagala... retires undefeated, and wants to be the only guy that beat the ever living shit out of Dennison.

Dennison is a historically bad candidate, but when you start hearing "breaking glass ceilings", run for the hills...

[Winehole23]

Ruth Bader Biden... smh

Needed to do this a year ago. Senility is serious business, folks.Dem voters signaled their worries well in advance of today, they were ignored by the DNC's political mandarins and Biden dead enders.

[Trainwreck2100]

Of course he endorses Kagala... retires undefeated, and wants to be the only guy that beat the ever living shit out of Dennison.

Dennison is a historically bad candidate, but when you start hearing "breaking glass ceilings", run for the hills...

i think whitmer prob beats him

[GAustex]

i think whitmer prob beats him
Democracy!!

[ducks]

We will know if Kamala Harris is really the nominee if the rest of the Democrat Mafia comes out and endorses her: The Obamas, The Clintons, Schumer, Pelosi, the Media, and Hollywood. Joe Biden's power is waning and is not enough to lock in the nomination.

[Tyronn Lue]

ducks plagiarizing Charlie Kirk now.

[Thread]

Of course he endorses Kagala... retires undefeated, and wants to be the only guy that beat the ever living shit out of Dennison.

Dennison is a historically bad candidate, but when you start hearing "breaking glass ceilings", run for the hills...

Boiled down:::Biden quit.

Trump did that.

[Thread]

We will know if Kamala Harris is really the nominee if the rest of the Democrat Mafia comes out and endorses her: The Obamas, The Clintons, Schumer, Pelosi, the Media, and Hollywood. Joe Biden's power is waning and is not enough to lock in the nomination.

ducks tearin' brand new assholes!!!

[Thread]

Dem voters signaled their worries well in advance of today, they were ignored by the DNC's political mandarins and Biden dead enders.

Trump did that.

[ducks]

Epstein said that for Democrats, Biden "is only half their problem."

"The other half is that the American people don't like the results of their governing for the last four years. That's true on every single issue other than abortion," he said.


Trump debated Biden and it was a draw on abortion at debate

[UNT Eagles 2016]

i think whitmer prob beats him

It's got to be one of Whitmer, Shapiro, or Mark Kelly.


The idea of a Whitmer - Kelly (or reverse) ticket is tantalizing, the idea that the Dems can pick off both Michigan and Arizona and surrounding states and get to 270+.

[ElNono]

i think whitmer prob beats him

Newsom too. But they're both top-of-the-ticket candidates.

Best thing Kamala can do now is pick a rust belt governor with decent image for the VP spot.

[ElNono]

The reality is that white suburban Karens don't vote for women. It's not PC to say it, but it's nonetheless true.

It's not that they're suddenly going to vote for Trump, that's unlikely to happen either, but they just won't go vote, and low turnout always helped the GOP.

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

it was the right move by Joe to drop out. he should have done it earlier but he eventually did what was best for everyone so props

democrats had a small golden sliver of opportunity to win in november but trying to run it back with kamala means that window is getting smashed on blue america's collective dick

sorry senores

brb signing up to truth social to suck up to president trump for cya reasons

[Thread]

it was the right move by Joe to drop out. he should have done it earlier but he eventually did what was best for everyone so props

democrats had a small golden sliver of opportunity to win in november but trying to run it back with kamala means that window is getting smashed on blue america's collective dick

sorry senores

brb signing up to truth social to suck up to president trump for cya reasons

Trump did that.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

The reality is that white suburban Karens don't vote for women. It's not PC to say it, but it's nonetheless true.

It's not that they're suddenly going to vote for Trump, that's unlikely to happen either, but they just won't go vote, and low turnout always helped the GOP.

They voted for Whitmer in 2018 and 2022, but in 2022 the other candidate was another woman and one who believed in a total abortion ban

But yeah Kamala is an anathema to the white female over 30 crowd as well as white working class male independents/moderates

Low turnout election on the left for sure. The Dems still have time to replace Kamala but tick tock, tick tock.

[Thread]

Newsom too. But they're both top-of-the-ticket candidates.

Best thing Kamala can do now is pick a rust belt governor with decent image for the VP spot.

Manchin is threatening to register as a D, and run, El.

tee, hee.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

Newsom too. But they're both top-of-the-ticket candidates.

Best thing Kamala can do now is pick a rust belt governor with decent image for the VP spot.

Best thing Kamala can do now for her party is announce she won't be running for president or VP either. Clear the field

[GAustex]

Manchin is threatening to register as a D, and run, El.

tee, hee.
Democracy!!

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

Trump did that.

i suppose trump unleashed covid on USA and then covid was joe's last straw ... so agreed :tu

[UNT Eagles 2016]

Democracy!!

Theoretically it wouldn't be anti-democratic to have a new primary now that the nominee who won the delegates from the main primary is dropping out willingly and not being forced out.

[GAustex]

Theoretically it wouldn't be anti-democratic to have a new primary now that the nominee who won the delegates from the main primary is dropping out willingly and not being forced out.

14.5 million voters prolly disagree
What they are fixing to do if they run Kamalua off is Chinese style Democracy

[ElNono]

They voted for Whitmer in 2018 and 2022, but in 2022 the other candidate was another woman and one who believed in a total abortion ban

But yeah Kamala is an anathema to the white female over 30 crowd as well as white working class male independents/moderates

Low turnout election on the left for sure. The Dems still have time to replace Kamala but tick tock, tick tock.


Best thing Kamala can do now for her party is announce she won't be running for president or VP either. Clear the field

Yeah, that's not happening. In an ideal world, the ticket would be Harris-Michelle Obama, which would be a landslide victory for (D) and completely devastating for Trumpworld. Losing to two black women would be the nail in the coffin. But that ticket ain't happening, tbh.

[Winehole23]

1815173525658865841https://x.com/bensiegel/status/1815173525658865841

[UNT Eagles 2016]

Yeah, that's not happening. In an ideal world, the ticket would be Harris-Michelle Obama, which would be a landslide victory for (D) and completely devastating for Trumpworld. Losing to two black women would be the nail in the coffin. But that ticket ain't happening, tbh.

That's pure wishcasting. Unless you're running for president of Wakanda, that ticket would be a landslide for Trump-Vance in any world of reality. :lol Will Hunting (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=17032) and other reasonable Dems would back me up on this. Spurminator (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=45) too.

Ideal ticket for the Dems right now is Whitmer or Shapiro and a white moderate democrat. If they want to win more than just the deep blue states, that is. You have to capitalize on Trump being Trump by catering to moderates, not fringe progressives.

[ElNono]

That's pure wishcasting. Unless you're running for president of Wakanda, that ticket would be a landslide for Trump-Vance in any world of reality. :lol Will Hunting and other reasonable Dems would back me up on this. Spurminator too.

Ideal ticket for the Dems right now is Whitmer or Shapiro and a white moderate democrat. If they want to win more than just the deep blue states, that is.

Please. Michele Obama runs, and the race is already over. She's just unlikely to run, that's all.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

Please. Michele Obama runs, and the race is already over. She's just unlikely to run, that's all.

She's not going to run but her best opportunity was in 2020, imo. And if she were to run the other person on the ticket would have to be a moderate white dude, and ideally one who's not geriatric

[ElNono]

She's not going to run but her best opportunity was in 2020, imo. And if she were to run the other person on the ticket would have to be a moderate white dude, and ideally one who's not geriatric

Not really. But, she is likely a top-of-the-ticket person. She just honestly doesn't seem interested in running for office.

[ducks]

i suppose trump unleashed covid on USA and then covid was joe's last straw ... so agreed :tu

Biden never had covid was told he had it

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

Biden never had covid was told he had it
Wh

[ElNono]

I think the VP pick is going to be Roy Cooper. He's term limited, 67, white, Jim Clyburn will push for him, and could help bring NC into the fold.

[Winehole23]

Biden never had covid was told he had ityou're really bummed out by Biden bowing out, huh?

[ducks]

you're really bummed out by Biden bowing out, huh?

Harris
Sharpest prwsident ever
Harris says she spends so much time with Biden he was in great heath. Age was not a factor. She said that thousands of times. She lies 3/4 of the time she speaks.

[ChumpDumper]

Harris
Sharpest prwsident ever
Harris says she spends so much time with Biden he was in great heath. Age was not a factor. She said that thousands of times. She lies 3/4 of the time she speaks.

You don't like liars?

[ducks]

Gov. Whitmer won't accept VP job if offered: 'I'm not leaving Michigan'

Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer told a local news outlet Monday that she would not accept an offer to join the 2024 Democratic ticket if it were offered.

A local news reporter with WLNS asked Whitmer if she were prepared to take the job of vice presidency alongside Vice President Kamala Harris who is now running for president.

"No. I'm not planning to go anywhere," Whitmer replied.

"I am not leaving Michigan. I am proud to be the governor of Michigan. I've been consistent. I know everyone is always suspicious...I'm not going anywhere," said Whitmer.

When pressed why it took "so long" for Whitmer to endorse Harris, who announced she would run for president after president Joe Biden dropped out of the race on Sunday, Whitmer said she "wanted a minute" to "let the dust settle."

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Harris
Sharpest prwsident ever
Harris says she spends so much time with Biden he was in great heath. Age was not a factor. She said that thousands of times. She lies 3/4 of the time she speaks.

Yep, yep.

[ducks]

However, Steele was unhappy it had gotten this far.

"I think what we should be is disappointed and angry because it should never have gotten to this point in the first place," Steele said in a video posted to X. "And I don’t even mean since that debacle of a debate on June 27th when the mainstream media just magically decided to admit, ‘Wait, maybe he has some cognitive issues. Maybe he’s not fit to run for reelection. They were lying from top to bottom for years and covering up for him sadly.

"We should be so disappointed in his family, in his wife. How, as a spouse, could you allow your husband or wife to go ahead and proceed with something so big (and) so important when you know that as a human being, they are not OK? That, to me, is disgusting. That’s what I’ve been saying since I interviewed Joe Biden just a month or two after he took office. That was 3 1/2 years ago and I noticed in my interview before the conversation began that he was struggling.