Competition - the Price to get Lauri Markannen - $200 Award

[Manu&Duncan fan]

Dear Spurs friends,

I'm pretty confident that Lauri will be a Spur this summer based on the following reasonable assumptions:

1. Jazz wants to tank hard and will not extend Lauri.

2. None of our current competitors can offer nearly as much as Spurs.

3. Lauri wants to play with Wemby and win multiple championships and be a national hero in Finland, like Manu in Argentina and Parker in France.

4. Lauri's fit with Spurs like match made in heaven. So, our front office will definitely try as hard as possible to get him.

5. Because of the 2nd Apron, only a few teams have room to extend or sign him next season.


Now, the question is price to pay - what are the FRPs. Let's have a competition. The winner(s) will get $200.

Here is my guess: Spurs 25, Spurs 27, Spurs 29, Min 30 Swap.

Rules:

1. Only guess the first Round Picks. No need to mention the second round picks.

2. I only have $200 to offer. So, if multiple guys guessed right, then you will share the $200. Maximum 4 guys. (I don't want to venmo too many times.)

3. You can still guess even if you don't think we can get him.

4. OK to agree with my above guess.

Have fun guys!

[Manu&Duncan fan]

By the way, we don't have to guess which player Spurs send out. We all know it should be Keldon. There is no reason to send out quality young players since we have so many picks.

[SpursGuy91]

Hawks 25
Chicago 25
Hornets 25
Spurs 27

High likelihood Bulls pick doesn’t convey this year but has a better shot of conveying next year with the protections dropping to top 8. Hornets pick is throw in to give the appearance of receiving 4 1sts from the Spurs. No protections on the spurs 27.

[scott]

Gonna stick with what I've been saying all along:

SA26 (w/ ATL swap attached)
SA28 (w/ BOS swap attached)
SA30 (w/ DAL and MIN swaps attached)
MIN31

[Manu&Duncan fan]

Also, no need to mention protections. Your guess will be counted even if the final price does have protections.

[mudyez]

Spurs 25
Chicago 25
Hornets 25
Spurs 27

+ Keldon

(but I personally would prefer to keep the powder dry)

[John B]

Spurs 25
Hawks 26
Hornets 25
Spurs 27
Min 31

Plus Keldon

[exstatic]

Spurs 25
Hawks 26
Hornets 25
Spurs 27
Min 31

Plus Keldon

You can’t trade a swap. You have to trade the pick it’s attached to and the swap goes with, and you’ve already traded the Spurs 25, so you can’t trade Spurs 26 too.

[exstatic]

CHI 25
CHA 25
Spurs 30 with DAL MIN swaps attached
MIN 31

Keldon
Zach

[scott]

You can’t trade a swap. You have to trade the pick it’s attached to and the swap goes with, and you’ve already traded the Spurs 25, so you can’t trade Spurs 26 too.

In John B's scenario, the Spurs could Trade SA25, SA26 (w ATL Swap) and SA27 and still be Stepien rule compliant because they have ATL25 and ATL27.

The Stepien rule only requires you not be left pickless in consecutive years, but it doesn't have to be your own pick.

[Uriel]

I don't want Lauri for the following reasons:

1. He's already 27. He doesn't fit Wemby's timeline.
2. He's a second-tier star, certainly not at the level of a Parker or a Ginobili.
3. He's too expensive. We'd have to give up too many assets to acquire him.

For all these reasons, I think our best move is to be patient and wait for other opportunities to acquire younger, better stars in the future.

[exstatic]

In John B's scenario, the Spurs could Trade SA25, SA26 (w ATL Swap) and SA27 and still be Stepien rule compliant because they have ATL25 and ATL27.

The Stepien rule only requires you not be left pickless in consecutive years, but it doesn't have to be your own pick.

:tu. I actually don’t hate that scenario,because it locks us into keeping the ATL pick to stay in Stepien compliance.

[exstatic]

I don't want Lauri for the following reasons:

1. He's already 27. He doesn't fit Wemby's timeline.
2. He's a second-tier star, certainly not at the level of a Parker or a Ginobili.
3. He's too expensive. We'd have to give up too many assets to acquire him.

For all these reasons, I think our best move is to be patient and wait for other opportunities to acquire younger, better stars in the future.

Because of the second apron, Wemby will have several timelines worth of players that will come in, play with him for 3-5 years, then be moved before they push us over the 2nd apron. Lauri will just be part of the first wave.

[baseline bum]

Spurs 26 w/ ATL swap
Hawks 27
Spurs 30 with DAL + MIN SWAP
Wolves 31

[baseline bum]

Spurs 25
Chicago 25
Hornets 25
Spurs 27

+ Keldon

(but I personally would prefer to keep the powder dry)

That trade would be highway robbery. Would be incredible to get Markannen for only a mid to late teens Spurs 25, two Charlotte seconds, a top 10 protected 25 Chicago first, and a Spurs 27 pick in the 20s.

[Trainwreck2100]

That trade would be highway robbery. Would be incredible to get Markannen for only a mid to late teens Spurs 25, two Charlotte seconds, a top 10 protected 25 Chicago first, and a Spurs 27 pick in the 20s.

at this point the Spurs should be robbing the Jazz, Ainge has nobody left to parlay with.

[Mr. Body]

Dude is 27. Seems kind of wild to trade picks from years when he's going to be on a decline and may not even be starting material.

All you got to do is beat GSW. Mirror the structure of what they can offer then add a small bit more. That's it.

[Mr. Body]

Spurs 25
Chicago 25
Hornets 25
Spurs 27

+ Keldon

(but I personally would prefer to keep the powder dry)

I would take out the 27 and add some seconds.

That's what he's worth anyway. No sense in bidding against yourself.

[exstatic]

I would take out the 27 and add some seconds.

That's what he's worth anyway. No sense in bidding against yourself.

The Hornets 25 are your seconds.

[Mr. Body]

I started weeks ago with CHI, CHA, and the worst of ATL out SAS in either 2025 or 2027 and I'd just stick there.

[Uriel]

Spurs 25, Spurs 27, Spurs 29, Min 30 Swap

[jjspur]

I'm sorry but I'm just not a fan of these multi picks and players for one guy trades. I know people will say its just the cost of doing business in the NBA these days, but if you think about it, it seems like the suns have a few salary regrets about trading for Durrant. The cavs also gave up a boatload of picks and players for Mitchell - they haven't made it to the conference finals yet. The T-Wolves also gave up a lot to get Gobert and did manage to upset the Nuggets, but that's about it. The spurs even got into the action by duping the hawks into taking all star Murray for multiple picks, yet they just traded him away - another regretted trade after just two seasons.

So you see, it isn't always the smart move to do that type of lopsided trade, unless you're the team screwing the other team over. By the way, wasn't it Ainge that screwed the Cavs and the Wolves for all those players and picks. Should have know it would be a prick like him to start all that nonsense. Markkanen is a good player, I just don't think he's worth what Ainge is probably asking for. We can't be that desperate. Whomever trades for Markkanen will be in a hard place for a few years and Ainge will be laughing his ass all they way to the bank - again !

It's taken a lot of tanking to get those picks, surely we can do better than just one player for all that misery.

[stnick2261]

Keldon & Collins

CHI 25
CHA 25
SAS 27
SAS 29

[exstatic]

Spurs 25, Spurs 27, Spurs 29, Min 30 Swap

Can’t trade a swap that you’ve acquired in trade. You have to trade the pick, and the swap goes with it. In that case, the 30 DAL swap would also go out, since it’s attached to that pick, too. I don’t think we hold any other 29 or 30 actual first rounders, so I don’t believe you can trade our 29 and 30, and stay in Stepien compliance.

[CGD]

Let’s revisit this discussion next summer. I bet the price will come down with Lauri making 45M a year.

[exstatic]

Let’s revisit this discussion next summer. I bet the price will come down with Lauri making 45M a year.
Lauri is more valuable locked up for 5 years, and in 3, that contract will look like nothing.

[timtonymanu]

I don't want Lauri for the following reasons:

1. He's already 27. He doesn't fit Wemby's timeline.
2. He's a second-tier star, certainly not at the level of a Parker or a Ginobili.
3. He's too expensive. We'd have to give up too many assets to acquire him.

For all these reasons, I think our best move is to be patient and wait for other opportunities to acquire younger, better stars in the future.

Sure, let's keep all 500 draft picks we currently own so that we can wait for the next best player out of the 2031 draft. I love how fans of a 22 win team think the team needs to be conservative :lol.

[Ef-man]

SA28 (w/ BOS swap attached)
SA30 (w/ DAL and MIN swaps attached)
MIN31

With a couple of SRPs

[pad300]

CHI 25
CHA 25
SA 30 (with swaps)
MIN 31
+ Zach Collins

I actually doubt they trade Keldon. I know people here shit on him, but I suspect that he's much more liked inside the organization.

[LeBowen]

'25 CHI
'26 SAS/ATL
'30 SAS/DAL/MIN
'31 MIN

One ATL pick has to go as the most valuable asset. I had a hard time deciding between '26 and '27, but Jazz has 4 FRPs in '27 and '26 class is stacked.
Picks involving MIN allow Ainge to control their future over the next 7 years and I think those are guaranteed to go.

'25 is interesting, if Jazz wants ATL pick, then Spurs can't trade '26 one, but '25 ATL is arguably the least valuable since Trae can opt out after this season.

I think it's definitely going to be both MIN picks, one high value ATL pick and one more mediocre pick.
If we add a fifth pick, then we get back some of theirs to effectively trade down.
For example trading down from '26 ATL/SAS to CLE/MIN.

[exstatic]

'25 CHI
'26 SAS/ATL
'30 SAS/DAL/MIN
'31 MIN

One ATL pick has to go as the most valuable asset. I had a hard time deciding between '26 and '27, but Jazz has 4 FRPs in '27 and '26 class is stacked.
Picks involving MIN allow Ainge to control their future over the next 7 years and I think those are guaranteed to go.

'25 is interesting, if Jazz wants ATL pick, then Spurs can't trade '26 one, but '25 ATL is arguably the least valuable since Trae can opt out after this season.

I think it's definitely going to be both MIN picks, one high value ATL pick and one more mediocre pick.
If we add a fifth pick, then we get back some of theirs to effectively trade down.
For example trading down from '26 ATL/SAS to CLE/MIN.

ATL isn’t going to keep Trae until he opts out and leaves in 26, which is his opt out year. He’ll be traded sometime in the next 12 months, making that 26 pick GOLD. Swap the 28 SA with the BOS swap for that one, and I like it.

[LeBowen]

ATL isn’t going to keep Trae until he opts out and leaves in 26, which is his opt out year. He’ll be traded sometime in the next 12 months, making that 26 pick GOLD. Swap the 28 SA with the BOS swap for that one, and I like it.

That's the problem.
You like it, I like it, Spurs would like it, but we're not getting Markkanen without one of those ATL picks going the other way.

As I said before, Hawks should keep treadmilling and odds of them improving are really low, but with a third of the conference blatantly tanking and them having no reason to do so, they're not going to be a top5 worst team in the next three years.
Not wanting to lose games is automatic +10 Ws in my book.

If Hawks picks don't have top5 odds, odds of that pick moving up and becoming better than Markkanen are really low.

[MultiTroll]

Utah gets

Gregg Pop
Keldon
Malaki Branham
SA30 (w/ DAL and MIN swaps attached)

[talkspurs]

Lauri is more valuable locked up for 5 years, and in 3, that contract will look like nothing.

Yep just like Zach laVine. oh wait NVM.

[talkspurs]

Sure, let's keep all 500 draft picks we currently own so that we can wait for the next best player out of the 2031 draft. I love how fans of a 22 win team think the team needs to be conservative :lol.

Just because we have them doesnt mean we need to spend and get rid of them either. Be smart with them if it is not the right deal for us dont make it. Dont be focused on getting a certain player at all cost. This is how Ainge has been able to get all these picks he is willing to wait.

[Pauleta14]

Lauri would be a great fit but isn't worth a superstar trade Ainge is expecting

End of the story (for this summer) imo

[sfernald]

I think they do this the OKC style way...

Best pick of 2025 unprotected
2026 pick with swap unprotected
Best pick of 2027 unprotected

3 Misc second round picks all from 25-27)

So entire trade is over after '27 season.

[baseline bum]

I think they do this the OKC style way...

Best pick of 2025 unprotected
2026 pick with swap unprotected
Best pick of 2027 unprotected

3 Misc second round picks all from 25-27)

So entire trade is over after '27 season.

You're a fucking retard somehow finding a way to make an even worse offer than all three Atlanta picks

[CGD]

Lauri is more valuable locked up for 5 years, and in 3, that contract will look like nothing.

Cool, let him be valuable to Utah at that price. San Antonio shouldn’t give up much value honestly (max, Keldon and 2 protected FRPs).

Ainge squandered Utah’s leverage, and is simply using the Spurs to play a failing game of chicken with the Warriors.

[CGD]

I think they do this the OKC style way...

Best pick of 2025 unprotected
2026 pick with swap unprotected
Best pick of 2027 unprotected

3 Misc second round picks all from 25-27)

So entire trade is over after '27 season.

You think that will be enough, though?

I think we might have to throw in Wemby to make it work, but even then there’s a salary matching issue. Maybe we can throw in Vassell and Castle, if we’re willing to take back John Collins— think he still has value, and we can flip him at the deadline for 6 SRPs, no?

[LeBowen]

Cool, let him be valuable to Utah at that price. San Antonio shouldn’t give up much value honestly (max, Keldon and 2 protected FRPs).

https://i.imgur.com/lw1gtdo.png

That's 5 years of drafting.
8 FRPs and 5 SRPs.

Out of all those players, Devin is the only piece who would be seen as a valuable asset in Markkanen trade.

I know fans are always subjective and want their team to win every trade, but some of you people are so out of touch when it comes to evaluating players and picks in a trade.
It's not even just about the player ability, but all the other factors that are perfect in this situation.
Timeline, fit, contract (Markkanen's would allign with Devin's and Castle's extensions) and availability.

As I said last night, if we don't get Markkanen or maybe Naz Reid, we're not getting a high end wing in the next few years without gutting our roster unless we draft one.

[Raven]

who cares.

[CGD]

https://i.imgur.com/lw1gtdo.png

That's 5 years of drafting.
8 FRPs and 5 SRPs.

Out of all those players, Devin is the only piece who would be seen as a valuable asset in Markkanen trade.

I know fans are always subjective and want their team to win every trade, but some of you people are so out of touch when it comes to evaluating players and picks in a trade.
It's not even just about the player ability, but all the other factors that are perfect in this situation.
Timeline, fit, contract (Markkanen's would allign with Devin's and Castle's extensions) and availability.

As I said last night, if we don't get Markkanen or maybe Naz Reid, we're not getting a high end wing in the next few years without gutting our roster unless we draft one.

I agree with the “unless we draft one” part at the end of your rant. We are aligned there.

[DPG21920]

Gonna stick with what I've been saying all along:

SA26 (w/ ATL swap attached)
SA28 (w/ BOS swap attached)
SA30 (w/ DAL and MIN swaps attached)
MIN31

Take out 1 of the picks and Im ok with 3 of 4 from this group. But 3 firsts max for Lauri or we walk.

[spurraider21]

You can’t trade a swap. You have to trade the pick it’s attached to and the swap goes with, and you’ve already traded the Spurs 25, so you can’t trade Spurs 26 too.
If you trade spurs 25 we still own hawks 25, so we can trade our 2026 pick which right now would be designated as “the better between the SAS and ATL 2026 frp

[jjspur]

I know we want Markkanen, but does Utah really need to trade him considering they have multiple picks they got from Cleveland and Minny. Seems almost unfair to give them even more. My guess is that they end up like OKC having a ton of picks in one draft but not being able to use all of them since they may not have available open positions on the team.

[scott]

I know we want Markkanen, but does Utah really need to trade him considering they have multiple picks they got from Cleveland and Minny. Seems almost unfair to give them even more. My guess is that they end up like OKC having a ton of picks in one draft but not being able to use all of them since they may not have available open positions on the team.

Problem is those near term CLE and MIN picks are going to be in the 20s, so don't really help them with their immediate goal, which is finding a #1 to rebuild around. They have extra picks to land them Blake Wesley's and Branhams, they need more shots at a Wemby.

[baseline bum]

CHI 25
CHA 25
SA 30 (with swaps)
MIN 31
+ Zach Collins

I actually doubt they trade Keldon. I know people here shit on him, but I suspect that he's much more liked inside the organization.

He's very well liked from everything we have heard. But so was George Hill.

[baseline bum]

Cool, let him be valuable to Utah at that price. San Antonio shouldn’t give up much value honestly (max, Keldon and 2 protected FRPs).

Ainge squandered Utah’s leverage, and is simply using the Spurs to play a failing game of chicken with the Warriors.

So crap and crap for an allstar? :lol

[TeKu]

https://i.imgur.com/lw1gtdo.png
That's 5 years of drafting.
8 FRPs and 5 SRPs.


I take your point, draft picks are valued much more in the abstract before they're made than the actual players taken.

Most would trade your chosen 5 year range for LM. You dropped 2023 though, and no-one would trade the LAST 5 years picks for LM!

Unprotected picks > protected picks, I wouldn't be offering more than 1 unprotected.

[LeBowen]

I take your point, draft picks are valued much more in the abstract before they're made than the actual players taken.

You're right, but I was just trying to show how hard it is to draft a star player with picks outside top5.


Most would trade your chosen 5 year range for LM. You dropped 2023 though, and no-one would trade the LAST 5 years picks for LM!

Wemby is an anomaly. And that's why we have to take advantage of every single season of his.

If I don't have a franchise player, I'd rather have a 40-50% chance to get a top4 pick (current odds for top5 worst records) than an all-star player who's not good enough to be the best player on a championship team.
But since we have Wemby, I don't want to take any more gambles or risks in the draft.

Maybe it's because I always get unlucky with odds and hate gambling, but for me gambling on unfavorable odds is just not worth it.
If we take current projected lottery situation, we'd have 32% chance to land a top4 pick with our own or Hawks pick.
What are the odds of that top4 pick being better than Markkanen? Probably not higher than another 32% chance.
That's 10% chance to get a player better than Markkanen...in like 3-5 years it takes for him to develop.

I'd like to be as optimistic as a lot of you guys in here, but first we struck gold with 14% for Wemby, then we moved up to #4 this year, then we got #8 with Raptors pick.
I don't think gambling with anything under 50% is worth it for us because sooner or later our lottery luck has to stop.

[scott]

You're right, but I was just trying to show how hard it is to draft a star player with picks outside top5.



Wemby is an anomaly. And that's why we have to take advantage of every single season of his.

If I don't have a franchise player, I'd rather have a 40-50% chance to get a top4 pick (current odds for top5 worst records) than an all-star player who's not good enough to be the best player on a championship team.
But since we have Wemby, I don't want to take any more gambles or risks in the draft.

Maybe it's because I always get unlucky with odds and hate gambling, but for me gambling on unfavorable odds is just not worth it.
If we take current projected lottery situation, we'd have 32% chance to land a top4 pick with our own or Hawks pick.
What are the odds of that top4 pick being better than Markkanen? Probably not higher than another 32% chance.
That's 10% chance to get a player better than Markkanen...in like 3-5 years it takes for him to develop.

I'd like to be as optimistic as a lot of you guys in here, but first we struck gold with 14% for Wemby, then we moved up to #4 this year, then we got #8 with Raptors pick.
I don't think gambling with anything under 50% is worth it for us because sooner or later our lottery luck has to stop.

It's the exact call the FO made when they traded away Derrick and DJM, and it was the right one.

If we didn't have Wemby, I feel like we'd be having the exact same discussion about Devin that Utah is having about Lauri. And I think our fanbase would be equally split. I'd be advocating for getting the best haul as possible for Devin and hard tanking in 25 and 26 to land our star. Thankfully, we already have him.

[TeKu]

You're right, but I was just trying to show how hard it is to draft a star player with picks outside top5.



Wemby is an anomaly. And that's why we have to take advantage of every single season of his.

If I don't have a franchise player, I'd rather have a 40-50% chance to get a top4 pick (current odds for top5 worst records) than an all-star player who's not good enough to be the best player on a championship team.
But since we have Wemby, I don't want to take any more gambles or risks in the draft.

Maybe it's because I always get unlucky with odds and hate gambling, but for me gambling on unfavorable odds is just not worth it.
If we take current projected lottery situation, we'd have 32% chance to land a top4 pick with our own or Hawks pick.
What are the odds of that top4 pick being better than Markkanen? Probably not higher than another 32% chance.
That's 10% chance to get a player better than Markkanen...in like 3-5 years it takes for him to develop.

I'd like to be as optimistic as a lot of you guys in here, but first we struck gold with 14% for Wemby, then we moved up to #4 this year, then we got #8 with Raptors pick.
I don't think gambling with anything under 50% is worth it for us because sooner or later our lottery luck has to stop.

Agree with most of this actually. I'd trade multiple picks for him as well, just with top 1-? protection on them. Excepting the MIN 30/31 pick and swap, I'd trade those unprotected as those picks 'should' be worth a lot more to UTA than us.

[LeBowen]

It's the exact call the FO made when they traded away Derrick and DJM, and it was the right one.

If we didn't have Wemby, I feel like we'd be having the exact same discussion about Devin that Utah is having about Lauri. And I think our fanbase would be equally split. I'd be advocating for getting the best haul as possible for Devin and hard tanking in 25 and 26 to land our star. Thankfully, we already have him.

I agree that it was the right one, but now it's up to Utah ownership to come to that conclusion.
If it was up to Ainge, there would be no doubt. He'd tank for two years hoping to get two top5 picks and then he'd be ready with those two high picks and a ton of assets.

The biggest thing PATFO need to do right now is to find that fine line between being too agressive and blowing their load too early and being too passive and missing out on players that would take us to the next level.

To make people feel better about a potential trade, it would probably end with Spurs trading away DJ for better odds in Wemby lottery, Lauri and still having a leftover pick from the Hawks.


Agree with most of this actually. I'd trade multiple picks for him as well, just with top 1-? protection on them. Excepting the MIN 30/31 pick and swap, I'd trade those unprotected as those picks 'should' be worth a lot more to UTA than us.

My offer would be Keldon, those two Minnesota picks, Chicago pick and either '26 SAS/ATL or '27 ATL.
I don't think we're getting Lauri without one of those Hawks picks going the other way. Unprotected.

Hawks might move up again with like 10% chance, but they surely won't be in top5 odds because no team that has no incentive to tank ever is.

[scott]

I agree that it was the right one, but now it's up to Utah ownership to come to that conclusion.
If it was up to Ainge, there would be no doubt. He'd tank for two years hoping to get two top5 picks and then he'd be ready with those two high picks and a ton of assets.

The biggest thing PATFO need to do right now is to find that fine line between being too agressive and blowing their load too early and being too passive and missing out on players that would take us to the next level.

To make people feel better about a potential trade, it would probably end with Spurs trading away DJ for better odds in Wemby lottery, Lauri and still having a leftover pick from the Hawks.





Yeah, I think Ainge and Zanik are getting too cute in trying to have their cake and eat it to. But, I'm here for it... fuck those clowns.

Though, I will say, I like the idea of the west being dominated by SAS, OKC and UTA. Rise of the small markets.

[exstatic]

Sag for Flagg!

[LeBowen]

Sag for Flagg!

Be poop for Coop!

I still prefer Capture the Flagg.

[mudyez]

I wonder, what a list of players would look like, that we should be ok with giving up four firsts including all the Atlanta stuff (probably what Ainge asks us to give up).

While needing that player to be at a relativ young age, I guess this list isn't that long.

[CGD]

So crap and crap for an allstar? :lol

Lauri is overrated on this board, but even then it’s more of a reflection of leverage. Utah’s is diminishing by the day.

And I can’t wait for half this thread to lap up Ainge’s horse manure spin when they extend him next week (“we love Lauri, we were never gonna sell him, the media sucks”, yada yada).

[baseline bum]

Lauri is overrated on this board, but even then it’s more of a reflection of leverage. Utah’s is diminishing by the day.

And I can’t wait for half this thread to lap up Ainge’s horse manure spin when they extend him next week (“we love Lauri, we were never gonna sell him, the media sucks”, yada yada).

If you want to talk overrated on this board, Keldon is a replacement level player. He's just the salary throw-in to make a Markannen trade CBA-legal. Would you trade Vassell for two meh protected picks and mediocre matching salary? Markannen's worth is only two 33 year-old Thaddeus Youngs?

[CGD]

If you want to talk overrated on this board, Keldon is a replacement level player. He's just the salary throw-in to make a Markannen trade CBA-legal. Would you trade Vassell for two meh protected picks and mediocre matching salary? Markannen's worth is only two 33 year-old Thaddeus Youngs?

I would not trade Vassell (i dont see the equivalency personally). And, yea, you captured the most of what I would trade Lauri for right now. Salary and two decent FRPs (CHI FRP type protections).

Basically: don’t get it twisted. I like Lauri, just not now. A Lauri trade is the type of “finishing piece” move I’d like to see in 2 years when they’re going for it. Its too early to bust up the current strategy.

[baseline bum]

I would not trade Vassell (i dont see the equivalency personally). And, yea, you captured the most of what I would trade Lauri for right now. Salary and two decent FRPs (CHI FRP type protections).

Basically: don’t get it twisted. I like Lauri, just not now. A Lauri trade is the type of “finishing piece” move I’d like to see in 2 years when they’re going for it. Its too early to bust up the current strategy.

So trade for Lauri when you don't have the assets to trade for him?

[Manu&Duncan fan]

CHI 25
CHA 25
Spurs 30 with DAL MIN swaps attached
MIN 31

Keldon
Zach

Now I agree with Exstatic the most. In my initial guess, I forgot that Zach will likely be included and cost us extra.

[Manu&Duncan fan]

Spurs 26 w/ ATL swap
Hawks 27
Spurs 30 with DAL + MIN SWAP
Wolves 31

Your offer indicates you're an agent for Ainge. :)

Warriors are offering Moody + 2 FRPS. We don't have to bid against ourselves like that.

[CGD]

So trade for Lauri when you don't have the assets to trade for him?

Spurs won’t have assets to trade for a finishing piece in 2 years?

[CGD]

CHI 25
CHA 25
SA 30 (with swaps)
MIN 31
+ Zach Collins

I actually doubt they trade Keldon. I know people here shit on him, but I suspect that he's much more liked inside the organization.

I think he’s his pretty much captures Lauri’s value in the current marketplace right now. Warriors aren’t willing to attach a good player (Kumnga or Pod), and they have to find a 3rd team to take on Wiggins.

[baseline bum]

Your offer indicates you're an agent for Ainge. :)

Warriors are offering Moody + 2 FRPS. We don't have to bid against ourselves like that.

Not my preferred realistic trade but scott already has that one called. Moody, 25, and 27 is laughable and no way Utah is accepting that.

[baseline bum]

Spurs won’t have assets to trade for a finishing piece in 2 years?

I don't agree that Markannen is a finishing piece. Markannen would be a core piece to finally add some respectable talent around Wemby. Finishing piece is more like 2015 Iguodala.

[baseline bum]

I would not trade Vassell (i dont see the equivalency personally). And, yea, you captured the most of what I would trade Lauri for right now. Salary and two decent FRPs (CHI FRP type protections).

Basically: don’t get it twisted. I like Lauri, just not now. A Lauri trade is the type of “finishing piece” move I’d like to see in 2 years when they’re going for it. Its too early to bust up the current strategy.

Also the current strategy looks to be stockpiling picks to make a trade if you assume competence from the front office. At least I hope that's the current strategy. Those 2030 and 2031 picks and swaps do nothing to advance the team now if they don't trade them for someone and god help us if let's punt on the draft because we like Sochan and Branham is the team's strategy.

[baseline bum]

I think he’s his pretty much captures Lauri’s value in the current marketplace right now. Warriors aren’t willing to attach a good player (Kumnga or Pod), and they have to find a 3rd team to take on Wiggins.

A top-10 protected first, two seconds, and two distant picks is doubtful to get it done. Ainge is likely saying he doesn't want Wiggins because he's trying to extract way more draft capital out of GSW. But he has to take Wiggins to make a trade work and there's no reason not to since he has to hit the salary floor and Wiggins' negative trade value ensures he can extract more picks from taking him. Moody makes $5.8 million, Podz $3.5 million, and Kuminga $7.6 million so none of them puts much of a dent in the salary they'd have to send out to legally trade for Markannen.

[scott]

Not my preferred realistic trade but scott (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=150) already has that one called. Moody, 25, and 27 is laughable and no way Utah is accepting that.

Just based on the way things have progressed, I'd probably reduce my offer by one pick.

I think he's WORTH the package I have been talking about to the Spurs, but that's an overpay compared to the market. And I still kind of believe that Ainge knows his best basketball decision is to move Lauri, meaning we just have to beat the next best offer and not have to overcome the inherent value to Utah keeping him... but of course I'm just speculating.

If the Spurs offered my package, I think the deal would be done by now.

[baseline bum]

Just based on the way things have progressed, I'd probably reduce my offer by one pick.

I think he's WORTH the package I have been talking about to the Spurs, but that's an overpay compared to the market. And I still kind of believe that Ainge knows his best basketball decision is to move Lauri, meaning we just have to beat the next best offer and not have to overcome the inherent value to Utah keeping him... but of course I'm just speculating.

If the Spurs offered my package, I think the deal would be done by now.

I still think Ainge would be nuts not to force GSW to give him their 29 and 31 FRP unprotected. That's the whole point of trading them a guy who'd be perfect for them to try to squeeze one more title out in the last 2-3 productive years of Curry's career, that they'd have to completely mortgage a bleak future to Ainge. So I very much disagree that your initial offer would have been accepted already when he can still try to extract blood from GSW.

Which pick would you pull from your offer? And let's say this is final offer, not let's see if Ainge will take three picks but still give him the fourth when he says no.

[scott]

I still think Ainge would be nuts not to force GSW to give him their 29 and 31 FRP unprotected. That's the whole point of trading them a guy who'd be perfect for them to try to squeeze one more title out in the last 2-3 productive years of Curry's career, that they'd have to completely mortgage a bleak future to Ainge. So I very much disagree that your initial offer would have been accepted already when he can still try to extract blood from GSW.

Which pick would you pull from your offer? And let's say this is final offer, not let's see if Ainge will take three picks but still give him the fourth when he says no.

Sorry to be elusive and offer three answers to your question, but it kind of depends on what my sense is that GSW will do.

Scenario 1: I think GSW offer is capped out at Moody + 2 FRP (25 + 27), then I'm pulling the SA26 pick
Scenario 2: I think GSW might up the ante a little bit and somehow add 29 or 31 (by freeing up their obligation to WAS), then I'm pulling SA28
Scenario 3: I think GSW will cave and offer 25, 27, 29, 31 - then I'll go back to my original offer (though it honestly may lose at that point)

There is another scenario where GSW goes Scenario 3 and starts adding swaps, in which case I'm sticking with my offer 3 and know I'm going to lose out and that's fine.

If GSW thinks they can actually win a title with Lauri, then I think they should go all in with whatever it takes. I don't care if we are fucked for 3 years after Curry retires if it gives me one more title with him. Some folks think that would be a mistake for GSW to do, but I disagree. This isn't a perfect example because Curry is a step ahead of where Duncan was at this point, but if we could have traded away our 16, 18, 20, 22 FRP to win another chip with Timmy in 2015 and be even stronger in 2016 and 2017 before Nephew lost his mind, I would have been down as fuck. Would we still have Wemby? No clue, but I'd assume by 2022-23 with no picks reloading the team we'd have still been terrible and could have posted the same bottom dweller record.

IMO, a single banner is worth being bad for a few years.

[scott]

I'll also follow up by saying I don't think Lauri makes GSW a title contender, but that's beside the point - it only matters what GSW thinks.

[sfernald]

You think that will be enough, though?

I think we might have to throw in Wemby to make it work, but even then there’s a salary matching issue. Maybe we can throw in Vassell and Castle, if we’re willing to take back John Collins— think he still has value, and we can flip him at the deadline for 6 SRPs, no?

I think the three picks, Wemby and Castle for Mark and Clarkson would be pretty fair! PS I am Danny Ainge!

[cutewizard]

Go Spurs gooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[cutewizard]

coz the Spurs are the champions of the world

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0FQb3RMfPg

[exstatic]

I still think Ainge would be nuts not to force GSW to give him their 29 and 31 FRP unprotected. That's the whole point of trading them a guy who'd be perfect for them to try to squeeze one more title out in the last 2-3 productive years of Curry's career, that they'd have to completely mortgage a bleak future to Ainge. So I very much disagree that your initial offer would have been accepted already when he can still try to extract blood from GSW.

Which pick would you pull from your offer? And let's say this is final offer, not let's see if Ainge ‘will take three picks but still give him the fourth when he says no.

Markannen has been compared to being a big Klay, and GS just missed the playoffs with the real Klay. They won’t win a title again with this iteration. Their best outcome is first round out. You don’t lay waste to your future for that.

[baseline bum]

Markannen has been compared to being a big Klay, and GS just missed the playoffs with the real Klay. They won’t win a title again with this iteration. Their best outcome is first round out. You don’t lay waste to your future for that.

Don't see that at all, Klay is a below average offensive player and a trash defender after the achilles and ACL tears.