Sean Elliott: Wemby will become the Greatest Player of All Time

[JohnnyMax]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ce-d5mMmWRw&t=0m59s

[ducks]

He be better then James if he stays healthy

[ducks]

He also be a better teammate
He will also never go on stage for Hilary Rodman Clinton

[Fireball]

No pressure :lol

[exstatic]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ce-d5mMmWRw&t=0m59s

That YouTube is a year old.

[Dex]

I really wish people (especially a Spurs all-timer and influencer) would calm down on these expectations and pressure.

Wemby is obviously an alien, but let's simmer down on these "All-Time" talks and let the kid make it to the playoffs first.

[Joseph Kony]

this video is over a year old :lol

[cool cat]

7 Championships min to get into that conversation.

[exstatic]

7 Championships min to get into that conversation.

LeBron doesn’t have 7 championships. LeBron doesn’t have 5 championships. Seems like the barrier is 4 titles.

[John B]

LeBron doesn’t have 7 championships. LeBron doesn’t have 5 championships. Seems like the barrier is 4 titles.

Whoever dubbed LeBron “King James” went to his head and self-proclaimed himself goat

[lefty]

7 Championships min to get into that conversation.

ringz

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Needs a TON of work on the offensive end

[Amuseddaysleeper]

LeBron doesn’t have 7 championships. LeBron doesn’t have 5 championships. Seems like the barrier is 4 titles.

MJ > LeBron

[exstatic]

MJ > LeBron

The point was the barrier to being “in the conversation”. I agree with you, BTW.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

The point was the barrier to being “in the conversation”. I agree with you, BTW.

Ah, makes sense!

[Pauleta14]

I really wish people (especially a Spurs all-timer and influencer) would calm down on these expectations and pressure.

Wemby is obviously an alien, but let's simmer down on these "All-Time" talks and let the kid make it to the playoffs first.

Nah Vic will be fine. He's more than ready for it, he's asking for it. He sees it as a "duty".

Any other kid, I'd agree.

You can't control the effect Wemby had on people's imagination/dreams, we've never seen anything like that and even haters can't wait to see his evolution.

[Obstructed_View]

Whoever dubbed LeBron “King James” went to his head and self-proclaimed himself goat

Didn't he call himself that in high school?

[Obstructed_View]

He's the best player I've seen since Jordan. He has every tool and looks like he has the clutch gene. Those are insane qualities to have at 20.

[ambchang]

Whether he becomes the GOAT depends on:
1) his health
2) what type of team the spurs can build around him
3) what the salary cap looks like and how the spurs manage it

Jordan isn’t best ever because of his talents, there have been others just as good, just that the factors didn’t fall their ways. What happens if Krause yielded to Jordan’s demands? What happens if Jordan didn’t blossom at the time when the nba was exploding to a world wide game (magic and bird before him, dream team, Nike)? What if jordan played in the days when rules don’t cater to isolation plays? What if the bulls didn’t trade for Pippen?what if the bulls kept Oakley like Jordan wanted?

Any of that happened and Jordan won’t be the goat.

[Obstructed_View]

Whether he becomes the GOAT depends on:
1) his health
2) what type of team the spurs can build around him
3) what the salary cap looks like and how the spurs manage it

Jordan isn’t best ever because of his talents, there have been others just as good, just that the factors didn’t fall their ways. What happens if Krause yielded to Jordan’s demands? What happens if Jordan didn’t blossom at the time when the nba was exploding to a world wide game (magic and bird before him, dream team, Nike)? What if jordan played in the days when rules don’t cater to isolation plays? What if the bulls didn’t trade for Pippen?what if the bulls kept Oakley like Jordan wanted?

Any of that happened and Jordan won’t be the goat.

There is so much wrong with this horseshit. Nobody was "just as good" as Jordan. There was a very small window where Barkley was nearly his equal. Pippen was an absolute dumpster fire without Jordan. When rules don't cater to isolation plays? They hard fouled him a dozen times a game in the playoffs. Fuck.

[cool cat]

LeBron doesn’t have 7 championships. LeBron doesn’t have 5 championships. Seems like the barrier is 4 titles.

4 Titles he is not even the greatest Spur. The conversation is greatest of all time. The reason MJ>Lebron still the rings. If Lebron had 7 championships then you can have the conversation of greatest of all time.

[Arcadian]

I mean, he definitely has the potential to. When you have every basketball skill and otherworldly size, and the mental aspects of the game under control, then the ceiling is infinitely high. I guess the only other factor would be something like "clutch factor" or "killer instinct," but that usually comes with the mental aspects IMO.

But also he needs to compile impressive career accolades, which depends on circumstances. Like somebody above mentioned, he needs to avoid serious injuries, and he needs to have good teams crafted around him for that to be possible.

[exstatic]

Whether he becomes the GOAT depends on:
1) his health
2) what type of team the spurs can build around him
3) what the salary cap looks like and how the spurs manage it

Jordan isn’t best ever because of his talents, there have been others just as good, just that the factors didn’t fall their ways. What happens if Krause yielded to Jordan’s demands? What happens if Jordan didn’t blossom at the time when the nba was exploding to a world wide game (magic and bird before him, dream team, Nike)? What if jordan played in the days when rules don’t cater to isolation plays? What if the bulls didn’t trade for Pippen?what if the bulls kept Oakley like Jordan wanted?

Any of that happened and Jordan won’t be the goat.

Just a quick thought: Nike happened because of Jordan, not the other way around. They were a struggling company drowning in red ink when he signed.

[ambchang]

There is so much wrong with this horseshit. Nobody was "just as good" as Jordan. There was a very small window where Barkley was nearly his equal. Pippen was an absolute dumpster fire without Jordan. When rules don't cater to isolation plays? They hard fouled him a dozen times a game in the playoffs. Fuck.

Lebron at his prime was as good as Jordan in his prime. Bird, magic, shaq couldn’t been a goat if things fell right.

If there was a time Barkley, who most people have him around top 20 all time, could be as good as a goat, even for a short period of time, it highlights how the goat really wasn’t as definitive based on skills as people make it out to be.

Illegal defense favours isolations immensely.

[ambchang]

Just a quick thought: Nike happened because of Jordan, not the other way around. They were a struggling company drowning in red ink when he signed.

Fair point. I’m more about how well nike marketed him. Nike found gold with him, they can’t turn, say Charles shackleford into a star with all the marketing in the world, but with Jordan they were able to appeal him to the masses.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Great defense, but 4/17 JFC!

[MultiTroll]

Silver medal will still look good on 20 year olds resume.
Given the team he is on and the Pop level French coach. :lol

[Obstructed_View]

Lebron at his prime was as good as Jordan in his prime. Bird, magic, shaq couldn’t been a goat if things fell right.

If there was a time Barkley, who most people have him around top 20 all time, could be as good as a goat, even for a short period of time, it highlights how the goat really wasn’t as definitive based on skills as people make it out to be.

Illegal defense favours isolations immensely.
So fucking stupid. Illegal defense got changed in 87. Jordan played the rest of his career, and all of his titles, without any benefit to isolation. Two of his three biggest clutch plays were passes.

Yeah skills aren't what made Jordan the greatest. His clutch gene did.

[Obstructed_View]

4 Titles he is not even the greatest Spur. The conversation is greatest of all time. The reason MJ>Lebron still the rings. If Lebron had 7 championships then you can have the conversation of greatest of all time.
Jordan didn't play in a era where top players change teams to chase rings. Lebron invented that shit. He's an all time great, but he's trying to beat peak with longevity.

[ambchang]

So fucking stupid. Illegal defense got changed in 87. Jordan played the rest of his career, and all of his titles, without any benefit to isolation. Two of his three biggest clutch plays were passes.

Yeah skills aren't what made Jordan the greatest. His clutch gene did.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defensive_three-second_violation

https://thesportjournal.org/article/strategically-driven-rule-changes-in-nba-causes-and-consequences/


To further enhance the flow and pace of the games and in response to the criticisms by fan and sportscasters, the league appointed a “select committee” to review and revise the rules. The select committee, chaired by then-Phoenix Suns owner Jerry Colangelo, to make changes to the rules in order to make the game faster, provides for freedom of movement by the offense and level the playing field for smaller players (Blinebury, 2006.) “Many of the people in favor of these changes have been in the game over the last three decades,” Colangelo said (Wise, 2001). “The game has changed in the sense that we’ve lost a lot of fluidity. We’ve evolved into an isolation game because of our defensive guidelines, and we weren’t satisfied with the way the game looked.” (Jerry Colangelo quoted in (ESPN, 2001))


The new rules seemed to de-emphasize isolation play and big men’s control of the paint by introducing a defensive 3-second rule, eliminating illegal defense guidelines and allowing “Zone Defense”; the mid-court 10-second rule was reduced to 8 seconds in order to further increase the speed of the game. In the following years the league also changed the rules to reduce the length and number of time-outs during the game in order to reduce disruption in the games. “It was boring, and it wasn’t the intent of how the game should be played … We were going to try to dictate a faster game,” Colangelo said (ESPN, 2001). Further refinement of hand-checking in 2004-05 reduced the subjectivity of the foul calls by referees, and adjustment of block calls provided the offense a better chance to move the ball (ESPN, 2001).

This is well documented, so I am not sure why you are trying to pretend illegal defence didn't change the league drastically.

And clutch gene is such a romantic concept, certainly there are players who demands the ball during crunch time (Jordan is a huge example of that) but there has been a few great players who are clutch (Bird, West, Magic to an extent). I am not ready to say Jordan is ultra clutch over everybody else, although he was magnificent.


Jordan didn't play in a era where top players change teams to chase rings. Lebron invented that shit. He's an all time great, but he's trying to beat peak with longevity.

It's because players couldn't. Magic wouldn't play in anywhere but the Lakers, same with Kobe, Kareem demanded a trade to the Lakers or the Knicks, Barkley forced his way out of 76ers, but that was pretty much their only option, is to act like a malcontent and threaten to be so unpleasant the headache is not worth it. Isiah Thomas didn't want to be drafted by the Pistons, Hakeem tried to force his way out of Houston, Pippen tried to get out of the Bulls, but the teams basically said no and that was that. Jordan never wanted Pippen or Grant when they were young, he wanted experienced players, he pushed to get Walter Davis, he pushed to get Buck Williams for Horace Grant, he just didn't get his way because the players had little power.

[lefty]

4 Titles he is not even the greatest Spur. The conversation is greatest of all time. The reason MJ>Lebron still the rings. If Lebron had 7 championships then you can have the conversation of greatest of all time.

Jordan faced way worse opposition

[Ice009]

What was the rules before the defensive three-second violation rule came it? How were teams playing before?

And I also remember the NBA allowing zone defenses, but with that defensive three-second rule, you can't really play a true zone defense anyway?

[ambchang]

What was the rules before the defensive three-second violation rule came it? How were teams playing before?

And I also remember the NBA allowing zone defenses, but with that defensive three-second rule, you can't really play a true zone defense anyway?

It was heavy iso and post ups. It was really more about individual dominance and having a top five player back then and you have a great chance of a playoff run. Now it is more about team play, passing and cutting and heavy rotations. The adelman Kings would do well in today’s league I think.

The sonics played a lot of zones backs in the Payton kemp days even though it was technically not allowed.

I personally enjoy the team aspects now and the ball movement but I have to say the league has gone way overboard with protecting offensive players where the game is unwatchable. It’s unnecessary as well as the players are clearly skilled enough to run a decent offence.

Finally, I know people love to make fun of three first names here but he really ushered in a new era of offensive play. Just they he sacrificed offense way too much to accomplish it and would allow or even encourage bad shots to speed up the pace of the game.

[baseline bum]

There is so much wrong with this horseshit. Nobody was "just as good" as Jordan. There was a very small window where Barkley was nearly his equal. Pippen was an absolute dumpster fire without Jordan. When rules don't cater to isolation plays? They hard fouled him a dozen times a game in the playoffs. Fuck.

I think that's more correlation than causation with Pippen as he was IMO never the same player again after his back injuries in 97-98.

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