Price controls on grocery stores? Seriously?

[CosmicCowboy]

How does that even work?

[MultiTroll]

Do it Kammy.

Cut out the corporate gouge.

[Ef-man]

Price gouging is occurring. How to go about addressing the price gouging is the tricky part but not doing anything is worse

"Research from the San Francisco Federal Reserve suggests alleged corporate price gouging was not a primary catalyst for the inflation surge that began in 2021, while progressive-leaning think tanks have published research that suggests there’s a more direct link."

https://www.cnn.com/business/harris-price-gouging-ban-inflation (https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/16/business/harris-price-gouging-ban-inflation/index.html)

[GAustex]

From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs

[ChumpDumper]

From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs

:lol that label just doesn't work anymore.

Are you just bored being this way now?

[ChumpDumper]

How does that even work?

It doesn't and it's never going to pass Congress or the Kangaroo Court.

[Blake]

How does that even work?

Same with pharmacy drugs. It's at least nice to discuss tho even if your full on free market capitalist team doesn't want to

[ChumpDumper]

I doubt actual formal price controls were proposed, but it sure sounds scary!

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Just bust the trusts. Don't even need new laws.

[ducks]

I think Obama wrote that speech to make the public think she is fool to force his wife to run
would not suprise me one bit

[ducks]

Basically she wants the government to be huge and control everything and Want people to depend on government more

[ducks]

How much profit on a 100k house should someone make ?
2 percent 5 percent ? 30 percent ?

[ducks]

Just bust the trusts. Don't even need new laws.
No one is forcing you to vote for her or him

[ducks]

I doubt actual formal price controls were proposed, but it sure sounds scary!

get off your ass and look
you want everyone to do everything for you .

you think you know it all and admitted you did not even look.

What a fool!

[ducks]

She never ever said how the 25k for the first time buyers for home were going to be paid for but she made she it was for the illegals also !

[ducks]

Harris’ plan to stop price gouging could create more problems than it solves
https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/16/business/harris-price-gouging-ban-inflation/index.html

[ducks]

Jason Furman, a top economist in the Obama administration, shared Roberts’ view that anti-price gouging laws could inadvertently harm consumers. “This is not sensible policy, and I think the biggest hope is that it ends up being a lot of rhetoric and no reality,” he told (https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/15/business/economy/kamala-harris-inflation-price-gouging.html) the New York Times. “There’s no upside here, and there is some downside.”

[Blake]

She never ever said how the 25k for the first time buyers for home were going to be paid for but she made she it was for the illegals also !

I hope one moves next door to you

[ducks]

I hope one moves next door to you

I have worked on illegal peoples tech devices

[benefactor]

Basically she wants the government to be huge and control everything
Kind of like you want to control women's bodies.

[Leetonidas]

Politicians say shit they cannot back up all the time during election campaigns. Kinda like Trump promising to get Mexico to pay for a wall and better healthcare for everyone in the country

[ducks]

Kind of like you want to control women's bodies.
Current one told everyone not woman do this to body and put vaccines in your body now

[Blake]

I have worked on illegal peoples tech devices

Sure you have

[pgardn]

Current one told everyone not woman do this to body and put vaccines in your body now

Yeah it is a good idea, vaccines, but there was no law EVERYONE had to get vaccinated.
So you ducked the statement bird brain.

[ChumpDumper]

get off your ass and look
you want everyone to do everything for you .

you think you know it all and admitted you did not even look.

What a fool!It's not my claim.

Anyone scared of this can post the quotes.

I ain't scared.

[ChumpDumper]

I have worked on illegal peoples tech devices

So you're part of the problem.

[ducks]

So you're part of the problem.
I would throw throw them back to their country
government says no

[Blake]

I would throw throw them back to their country
government says no

Or you would willingly work on their computers for them

[Ef-man]

Or you would willingly work on their computers for them

Alt ducks wanted to put landmines along the border and now admits he makes money off of the illegal migrants:lol

[ChumpDumper]

I would throw throw them back to their country
government says no

You gladly took their money.

[ducks]

You gladly took their money.

I do not steal like you
I work and get paid
I do not get handouts from government like you

[Ef-man]

You gladly took their money.

He benefited from illegal immigrants but did not turn them away knowing they were here illegally

Why does alt ducks lie so much

[Blake]

I do not steal like you
I work and get paid
I do not get handouts from government like you

Did you report all these illegals?

[velik_m]

Price gouging is occurring. How to go about addressing the price gouging is the tricky part but not doing anything is worse

"Research from the San Francisco Federal Reserve suggests alleged corporate price gouging was not a primary catalyst for the inflation surge that began in 2021, while progressive-leaning think tanks have published research that suggests there’s a more direct link."

https://www.cnn.com/business/harris-price-gouging-ban-inflation (https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/16/business/harris-price-gouging-ban-inflation/index.html)

The easiest way to end price gouging is to introduce competition without price gouging. A state run general store with basic items with minimal markup, kinda like Mark Cuban's drug company, could work, but this market interventions are always tricky, because markets adapt, often times in unexpected ways, and intervention can quickly backfire.

[ChumpDumper]

I do not steal like you
I work and get paid
I do not get handouts from government like you
:lol of course you do.

You just said the illegals get government money.

[Ef-man]

The easiest way to end price gouging is to introduce competition without price gouging. A state run general store with basic items with minimal markup, kinda like Mark Cuban's drug company, could work, but this market interventions are always tricky, because markets adapt, often times in unexpected ways, and intervention can quickly backfire.

Yes, liquor stores in several states are run/managed by the state (with minimal markup) and not private companies (which hate it), so that could work for some products.

The issue is that major companies are price gouging. Doing nothing is a bad solution.

The US poultry and meat industries are subsidized (e.g., U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) Rural Development announced that USDA is making more funding available for meat and poultry processors to expand operations, transform the food supply chain and create new and better markets for producers).

I can see the US using availability of grants as a carrot/stick to encourage these industries behave. The carrot/stick approach has not been undertaken with the oil and gas industry - which receive big tax subsidies. U.S. oil and gas subsidies include provisions ranging from incentives for domestic production, write-offs and deductions tied to foreign production and income, and approved accounting methods that can reduce the stated taxable value of assets (estimated saving of $10B to $50B per year)

Can these industries game the system? Sure so it will be incumbent on regulators to find the small number of cheats and deal with them individually or pull all the subsidies if they all cheat.

Again, I do not claim to have the answers but things will not change as corporations are in it for the money.

[Ef-man]

Yes, liquor stores in several states are run/managed by the state (with minimal markup) and not private companies (which hate it), so that could work for some products.

The issue is that major companies are price gouging. Doing nothing is a bad solution.

The US poultry and meat industries are subsidized (e.g., U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) Rural Development announced that USDA is making more funding available for meat and poultry processors to expand operations, transform the food supply chain and create new and better markets for producers).

I can see the US using availability of grants as a carrot/stick to encourage these industries behave. The carrot/stick approach has not been undertaken with the oil and gas industry - which receive big tax subsidies. U.S. oil and gas subsidies include provisions ranging from incentives for domestic production, write-offs and deductions tied to foreign production and income, and approved accounting methods that can reduce the stated taxable value of assets (estimated saving of $10B to $50B per year)

Can these industries game the system? Sure so it will be incumbent on regulators to find the small number of cheats and deal with them individually or pull all the subsidies if they all cheat.

Again, I do not claim to have the answers but things will not change as corporations are in it for the money.

I believe that Mark Cuban also characterized antitrust enforcement as being good.

[Winehole23]

Robinson-Patman Act (https://www.ftc.gov/advice-guidance/competition-guidance/guide-antitrust-laws/price-discrimination-robinson-patman-violations)

[Winehole23]

we won't see any Nixon-style price controls (https://www.cato.org/commentary/remembering-nixons-wage-price-controls)

[Winehole23]

Amazon screws buyers and sellers at the same time, fortunately it owns the Washington Post media megaphone to blast any attempt to rein in its monopolistic fuckery

1824834969249677696https://x.com/JohnnyMcNulty/status/1824834969249677696

[Winehole23]

power of the FTC is key here

1824067431997817318https://x.com/owenslindsay1/status/1824067431997817318

[z0sa]

:lol that label just doesn't work anymore.

Are you just bored being this way now?

Hardcore conservatives don't change. That's their MO. No change, everything's fine and if we go back 50 years, we'll be even better off. No matter that that generation solved its own problems, let's recreate them, solve them again then bitch some more about how things were better before the solutions were implemented.

[Winehole23]

1824067437077148145https://x.com/owenslindsay1/status/1824067437077148145

[Winehole23]

drug discounts were negotiated, not mandated or capped

posters like the OP would rather get mad about something they made up in their head than pay attention to what's been reported.

[Winehole23]

But if you're Donald Trump asked how you will improve the cost of groceries, you just say "drill, baby, drill" and everybody nods and moves on.

[ducks]

Amazing lower cost to move goods helps lower prices
Energy prices have a lot to do with it !

[Winehole23]

that's great, how will deporting 10-15 million people cut prices at the grocery store?

[ducks]

People need to stop overreacting about Kamala’s plan to reduce food inflation, as if it would lead to communism, mass starvation, and the end of America.

I worked in M&A in the food industry. Here’s a step-by-step summary of what would actually happen:

1. The government announces that grocery retailers aren’t allowed to raise prices.

2. Grocery stores, which operate on 1-2% net margins, can’t survive if their suppliers raise prices. So the government announces that food producers (Kraft Heinz, ConAgra, Tyson, Hormel, et. al.) also aren’t allowed to raise prices.

3. Not all grocery stores are created equal. Stores in lower-income areas make less money than those in higher-income areas, as the former disproportionately sell lower-margin prepackaged foods (“center of the store”) instead of higher-margin fresh products like meat (“perimeter of the store”). Because stores in lower-income areas aren’t able to cover overhead (remember, even if their wholesale costs are fixed, their labor, utilities, insurance, and other operating expenses aren’t fixed… yet), grocery chains start to shut them down. Food deserts in rural areas and in low-income urban areas alike become worse.

4. Meanwhile, margins for food producers are also quickly eroding. Their primary costs (ingredients, energy, and labor) aren’t fixed, and their shrinking gross profits leave less cash flow available to cover overhead, maintain facilities, and reinvest in additional production capacity.

5. Grocery chains, which have finite shelf space, start to repurpose their stores (those they didn’t have to shut down, I should say) to sell more non-price-controlled items—everything from nutrition supplements to kitchenware to apparel—and less price-controlled food products. Your local Kroger or Safeway starts to look and feel more like a Walmart.

6. Food producers stop making products with lower margins. Grocery chain start competing with each other to secure inventory. Since they can’t compete by offering stronger prices (remember, producers aren’t allowed to raise prices here, and, even if they could, grocery chains no longer have the gross profit to bear price increases), they compete on things like payment terms.

7. Small grocery chains start to shut down entirely, or get sold to larger chains like Kroger. In addition to not being able to cover fixed costs, a major reason for this is because they can no longer reliably secure delivery of products, due to producers prioritizing sales to larger customers, which are able to leverage their stronger balance sheets to offer superior payment terms.

8. Smaller food producers—which typically sell via distributors, rather than directly to grocery chains—start to go out of business. Because these producers have an additional step their value chains, and because they have lower volumes over which to spread their fixed costs, their cost structure is inherently disadvantaged compared to major food producers. When grocery stores aren’t able to raise prices, cutting product costs becomes all the more important, and deprioritizing purchases from smaller producers is an easy way to do so.

9. As supply chains break down, lines start to form outside grocery stores every morning. Cities assign police officers to patrol store parking lots, and food producers draft contingency plans to assign armed escorts to delivery trucks.

10. The federal government announces a program to issue block grants for states to purchase and operate shuttered grocery stores. The USDA also seizes closed-down production facilities.

11. The government announces that prices for all key food costs—corn, wheat, cattle, energy, etc.—are also now fixed, to stop “profiteers” from gouging the now-government-operated food industry.

12. Shockingly, the government struggles to operate one of the most complex industries on the planet. The entire food supply chain starts imploding.

13. Communism, mass starvation, and the end of America quickly ensue.

[ducks]

that's great, how will deporting 10-15 million people cut prices at the grocery store?

Govenent will stop giving illegals tax payers money less debt
Gov overspending causes inflation
Both parties do it
Illegals have no rights for USA tax papers dollars !

[ducks]

Choosing Trump is no longer a
Political choice. It is the only choice to save
America.

[Winehole23]

is ducks neurodivergent, or is he doing impressionistic verse?

moron, or artist? not always easy to tell.

[Winehole23]

People need to stop overreacting ...The entire food supply chain starts imploding.

13. Communism, mass starvation, and the end of America quickly ensue.

https://media.giphy.com/media/HUkOv6BNWc1HO/giphy.gif

[Spurs Homer]

How does that even work?


Trump brutally raped a 13 yr old alongside Epstein - and beat her and threatened her family and the court case docs were posted here for all to read.
Trump attempted a coup and committed treason at helsinki alongside putin. It is on youtube.
Trump was convicted of 34 felonies for fraud and now wants you to vote for him so he can steal from the US Treasury.

Cosmic Kuntboy: Yawn. He has my vote!

Kamala introduced a plan which will never happen to try and help citizens from getting price gouged.
Cosmic Kuntboy: clutches pearlz and starts a thread to call it out!

Whats wrong with ^ this picture?

[Blake]

People need to stop overreacting about Kamala’s plan to reduce food inflation, as if it would lead to communism, mass starvation, and the end of America.

I worked in M&A in the food industry. Here’s a step-by-step summary of what would actually happen:

1. The government announces that grocery retailers aren’t allowed to raise prices.

2. Grocery stores, which operate on 1-2% net margins, can’t survive if their suppliers raise prices. So the government announces that food producers (Kraft Heinz, ConAgra, Tyson, Hormel, et. al.) also aren’t allowed to raise prices.

3. Not all grocery stores are created equal. Stores in lower-income areas make less money than those in higher-income areas, as the former disproportionately sell lower-margin prepackaged foods (“center of the store”) instead of higher-margin fresh products like meat (“perimeter of the store”). Because stores in lower-income areas aren’t able to cover overhead (remember, even if their wholesale costs are fixed, their labor, utilities, insurance, and other operating expenses aren’t fixed… yet), grocery chains start to shut them down. Food deserts in rural areas and in low-income urban areas alike become worse.

4. Meanwhile, margins for food producers are also quickly eroding. Their primary costs (ingredients, energy, and labor) aren’t fixed, and their shrinking gross profits leave less cash flow available to cover overhead, maintain facilities, and reinvest in additional production capacity.

5. Grocery chains, which have finite shelf space, start to repurpose their stores (those they didn’t have to shut down, I should say) to sell more non-price-controlled items—everything from nutrition supplements to kitchenware to apparel—and less price-controlled food products. Your local Kroger or Safeway starts to look and feel more like a Walmart.

6. Food producers stop making products with lower margins. Grocery chain start competing with each other to secure inventory. Since they can’t compete by offering stronger prices (remember, producers aren’t allowed to raise prices here, and, even if they could, grocery chains no longer have the gross profit to bear price increases), they compete on things like payment terms.

7. Small grocery chains start to shut down entirely, or get sold to larger chains like Kroger. In addition to not being able to cover fixed costs, a major reason for this is because they can no longer reliably secure delivery of products, due to producers prioritizing sales to larger customers, which are able to leverage their stronger balance sheets to offer superior payment terms.

8. Smaller food producers—which typically sell via distributors, rather than directly to grocery chains—start to go out of business. Because these producers have an additional step their value chains, and because they have lower volumes over which to spread their fixed costs, their cost structure is inherently disadvantaged compared to major food producers. When grocery stores aren’t able to raise prices, cutting product costs becomes all the more important, and deprioritizing purchases from smaller producers is an easy way to do so.

9. As supply chains break down, lines start to form outside grocery stores every morning. Cities assign police officers to patrol store parking lots, and food producers draft contingency plans to assign armed escorts to delivery trucks.

10. The federal government announces a program to issue block grants for states to purchase and operate shuttered grocery stores. The USDA also seizes closed-down production facilities.

11. The government announces that prices for all key food costs—corn, wheat, cattle, energy, etc.—are also now fixed, to stop “profiteers” from gouging the now-government-operated food industry.

12. Shockingly, the government struggles to operate one of the most complex industries on the planet. The entire food supply chain starts imploding.

13. Communism, mass starvation, and the end of America quickly ensue.

Why do you never link your quotes? Do you not know how?

[baseline bum]

power of the FTC is key here

1824067431997817318https://x.com/owenslindsay1/status/1824067431997817318

Worthless middlemen getting filthy rich while the ranchers get it with no vaseline just like buyers do at the supermarket. It's the American way. Like Tony Montana said:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSgkLT5k75o

[Ef-man]

Worthless middlemen getting filthy rich while the ranchers get it with no vaseline just like buyers do at the supermarket. It's the American way. Like Tony Montana said:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSgkLT5k75o

John Oliver did a story on poultry business and contract growers taking debt. Yes, little guy gets screwed.

https://www.farmaid.org/blog/john-oliver-on-big-chicken-what-poultry-growers-say/

[CosmicCowboy]

Trump brutally raped a 13 yr old alongside Epstein - and beat her and threatened her family and the court case docs were posted here for all to read.
Trump attempted a coup and committed treason at helsinki alongside putin. It is on youtube.
Trump was convicted of 34 felonies for fraud and now wants you to vote for him so he can steal from the US Treasury.

Cosmic Kuntboy: Yawn. He has my vote!

Kamala introduced a plan which will never happen to try and help citizens from getting price gouged.
Cosmic Kuntboy: clutches pearlz and starts a thread to call it out!

Whats wrong with ^ this picture?

You sure are a stupid fuck. I asked a simple question. How do price controls work on something as complicated as our food supply system. As an example we have grown accustomed to having access to quality and variety of produce year round. Those produce items aren't available locally year round. Something you might buy at the local farmers market at some point in the year might come from New Zealand at another time of the year. You can't possibly mandate a "fair" price.

[ducks]

‘Shark Tank’ investor slams Harris’ proposed economic policy as ‘really bad idea’

https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/17/politics/video/kevin-oleary-shark-tank-harris-economic-plan-nr-digvid

He says he does not care who the president is just policy as a investor he wants to make money

[Spurs Homer]

You sure are a stupid fuck. I asked a simple question. How do price controls work on something as complicated as our food supply system. As an example we have grown accustomed to having access to quality and variety of produce year round. Those produce items aren't available locally year round. Something you might buy at the local farmers market at some point in the year might come from New Zealand at another time of the year. You can't possibly mandate a "fair" price.


A convicted felon , rapist, traitor is trying to get into office…

There is nothing else to consider. This bullshit concern over a policy that will never see the light of day- says all anyone has to know about “citizens” like you.

[ducks]

A convicted felon , rapist, traitor is trying to get into office…

There is nothing else to consider. This bullshit concern over a policy that will never see the light of day- says all anyone has to know about “citizens” like you.


He will appear get off
He did not destroy the country when he was in office last time
According to you he did commit anything new since he left office
Your hatred is blinding you
There is nothing on the books that says he can not be president
You do not have to vote for him or Harris
Many in USA do not
They just bitch your right to vote though
Answer how the question

[ducks]

A convicted felon , rapist, traitor is trying to get into office…

There is nothing else to consider. This bullshit concern over a policy that will never see the light of day- says all anyone has to know about “citizens” like you.

Lots to consider do you actually think she help the country and make it safer for your kids grandkids

[CosmicCowboy]

A convicted felon , rapist, traitor is trying to get into office…

There is nothing else to consider. This bullshit concern over a policy that will never see the light of day- says all anyone has to know about “citizens” like you.

Stupid response as usual. If you paid attention you would know I'm no Trump fan but her stupid policy pandering is just stupid for stupid voters like you.

[ChumpDumper]

Lots to consider do you actually think she help the country and make it safer for your kids grandkidsOh yes, much moreso than Trump.

Dude's a convicted felon, you know?

[Spurs Homer]

Stupid response as usual. If you paid attention you would know I'm no Trump fan but her stupid policy pandering is just stupid for stupid voters like you.


you are a dishonest piece of shit traitor to the country that gave you everything

if you were a half-decent human- you would be actively trying to stop this madman from gaining power again instead of being a complete complicit kunt looking for escuses to support him and looking for the tiniest reason to discredit the only other option this country has

ducks is legit mentally retarded and brainwashed beyond repair

but kunts like you who have benefited handsomely from being born on third base and STILL are unfaithful to this democracy sicken me

You embarrass all americans who are honest enough to call out the con man convicted felon rapist and call out complicit treasonous kunts like you that know better

[CosmicCowboy]

The pandering in this election is fucking comical. Trump says tips won't be taxable months ago. Suddenly Kamala says tips won't be taxable in her plan. Vance last week calls for a $5000 tax credit for babies first year. This week Kamala ups the ante to $6000. Trump says he wants to make SS income tax free. Will Kamala up that at the convention next week?

[Spurs Homer]

Lots to consider do you actually think she help the country and make it safer for your kids grandkids


she has been convicted of zero crimes

trump has been convicted of 34 felonies and 54 more felonies are pending and he is absolutely guilty on almost all of them because he committed them before our eyes

nothing else should matter if you care about this country

you dont

you place a con man rapist shitbag traitor fraudster - OVER your patriotic duty

you are a piece of shit

[ChumpDumper]

So any word on what these price controls are actually supposed to be or is it just the latest boogeyman?

[CosmicCowboy]

you are a dishonest piece of shit traitor to the country that gave you everything

if you were a half-decent human- you would be actively trying to stop this madman from gaining power again instead of being a complete complicit kunt looking for escuses to support him and looking for the tiniest reason to discredit the only other option this country has

ducks is legit mentally retarded and brainwashed beyond repair

but kunts like you who have benefited handsomely from being born on third base and STILL are unfaithful to this democracy sicken me

You embarrass all americans who are honest enough to call out the con man convicted felon rapist and call out complicit treasonous kunts like you that know better

Are you just too fucking stupid to actually have a conversation about politics? Your fantasy personal attacks are just your usual vacuous bullshit.

[Spurs Homer]

The pandering in this election is fucking comical. Trump says tips won't be taxable months ago. Suddenly Kamala says tips won't be taxable in her plan. Vance last week calls for a $5000 tax credit for babies first year. This week Kamala ups the ante to $6000. Trump says he wants to make SS income tax free. Will Kamala up that at the convention next week?


hey

more defending of the con man convicted felon fraudster who defrauded the state of hundreds of millions

[CosmicCowboy]

I don't know. Ask her.

[ChumpDumper]

I don't know. Ask her.

:lol it's your thread, dude.

I can only conclude this is made up.

[CosmicCowboy]

:lol it's your thread, dude.

I can only conclude this is made up.

LOL her words dude. Why post in a political forum if you don't follow politics?

[ChumpDumper]

LOL her words dude. Why post in a political forum if you don't follow politics?
Quote the actual words that scared you.

Let's see what she said about grocery price controls in your grocery price control thread.

I'm looking forward to it.

[Spurs Homer]

Are you just too fucking stupid to actually have a conversation about politics? Your fantasy personal attacks are just your usual vacuous bullshit.


you fuckin asshole dishonest kunt

this is not about “politics”

this is about a con man you support that would end our democracy and project 2025 is his fucking business plan

because he doesnt give a fuck if you KNOW he is about to commit crimes- he actually is gaslighting you by allowing his business plan to dictatorship to be published as he is on the verge of his second coup attempt

because he knows full well that assholes like you are just chomping at the bit to betray your homeland


you just open wide and beg him to feed you more shit to swallow

politics is two candidates who put the country first and honor elections - win or lose

your cult savior honors nothing, abides by nothing, agrees to nothing except taking power and he even showed you his plan -again-
because he knows full well your treasonous heart will choose him over your own well being and the countrys well being

[Winehole23]

SpursHomer calls everyone a traitor. I had my turn for that too. I think I said something neutral about Trump one time, that sent me straight to the traitor queue.

[Winehole23]

The pandering in this election is fucking comical. Trump says tips won't be taxable months ago. Suddenly Kamala says tips won't be taxable in her plan. Vance last week calls for a $5000 tax credit for babies first year. This week Kamala ups the ante to $6000. Trump says he wants to make SS income tax free. Will Kamala up that at the convention next week?I think the key to this is the Supreme Court corruption loophole carved out for post facto gratuities,

Much mischief possible when corporate compensation gets paid out this way.

[ducks]

https://x.com/kylenabecker/status/1825017370697482714

Freedom for who

[ducks]

CNN anchor Abby Phillip appeared skeptical of one of Vice President Kamala Harris’ first economic policy proposals on Thursday.

During the segment, the host read aloud one commentator’s criticism of the price control proposal – that it was meant to pander to "economically illiterate" voters –and appeared to agree that it was a way to get cheap votes from those who don’t understand how the economy works.

[Spurs Homer]

SpursHomer calls everyone a traitor. I had my turn for that too. I think I said something neutral about Trump one time, that sent me straight to the traitor queue.


years ago, BEFORE trump went to helsinki and BEFORE trump incited the insurrection…

i was criticised for using the word traitor and/or comparing trump to hitler


yet years later- trump has shown us conclusively that the labels were NOT A MISTAKE

we should have all learned from it and realized that we are citizens of this country and we have a responsibility to our democracy

a serious responsibility

i believe both of us are on the side of doing our duty for our democracy

not everyone here is honorable or honest or responsible to do their part and i believe that is inarguable

[baseline bum]

The pandering in this election is fucking comical. Trump says tips won't be taxable months ago. Suddenly Kamala says tips won't be taxable in her plan. Vance last week calls for a $5000 tax credit for babies first year. This week Kamala ups the ante to $6000. Trump says he wants to make SS income tax free. Will Kamala up that at the convention next week?

Ooh tax holiday for the rich by making capital gains not count as income no problem but can't give one to the poors, fuck them with a red white and blue boot up the ass.

[ducks]

years ago, BEFORE trump went to helsinki and BEFORE trump incited the insurrection…

i was criticised for using the word traitor and/or comparing trump to hitler


yet years later- trump has shown us conclusively that the labels were NOT A MISTAKE

we should have all learned from it and realized that we are citizens of this country and we have a responsibility to our democracy

a serious responsibility

i believe both of us are on the side of doing our duty for our democracy

not everyone here is honorable or honest or responsible to do their part and i believe that is inarguable

Yes it it a responsibility
But what you are saying policies do not matter
Harris could come out and say I tax the USA people 90 percent
I fire ice and police and you would still vote for her
Policies matter
And you are even saying the price controls are not happening if she is elected
Then she is lying and trying to fool people. She has fooled you. You are not even looking at what she is trying to do as president .

[ChumpDumper]

Yes it it a responsibility
But what you are saying policies do not matter
Harris could come out and say I tax the USA people 90 percent
I fire ice and police and you would still vote for her
Policies matter
And you are even saying the price controls are not happening if she is elected
Then she is lying and trying to fool people. She has fooled you. You are not even looking at what she is trying to do as president .

What is her actual price control policy, ducks?

You already said Trump's price control policy was to raise prices with tariffs.

[baseline bum]

Yes it it a responsibility
But what you are saying policies do not matter
Harris could come out and say I tax the USA people 90 percent
I fire ice and police and you would still vote for her
Policies matter
And you are even saying the price controls are not happening if she is elected
Then she is lying and trying to fool people. She has fooled you. You are not even looking at what she is trying to do as president .

Trump hires illegals and you still vote for him.

[Blake]

Trump hires illegals and you still vote for him.

Well I mean, illegals hire ducks too.

[Ef-man]

Well I mean, illegals hire ducks too.

Ducks pees on little girls and little girls pee on yam tits.

The circle of life.

[Spurs Homer]

Yes it it a responsibility
But what you are saying policies do not matter
Harris could come out and say I tax the USA people 90 percent
I fire ice and police and you would still vote for her
Policies matter
And you are even saying the price controls are not happening if she is elected
Then she is lying and trying to fool people. She has fooled you. You are not even looking at what she is trying to do as president .

stop being a dishonest piece of shit

there are only two choices - in this election

one of them is a convicted felon. A convicted rapist. A convicted fraudster. He went to Helsinki and betrayed the USA and took russia's side AFTER USA INTEL had just shown him the evidence that - YES - russia was responsible for the attack.

Add all that to his other crimes and incitement of an insurrection and his family profiting billions from the saudis and china and others -

and

THERE SHOULD BE NO ARGUMENT AFTER ALL THAT ^
(unless you are a piece of shit traitor who hates the usa)

Now - in a fantasy world where kamala commits a crime or fraud or sides with an enemy all of a sudden


then every DEMOCRAT - and anyone who loves democracy - would get rid of kamala and the dem party would nominate someone

WHO FOLLOWS THE LAW AND THE CONSTITUTION

it is NOT THAT HARD!

[koriwhat]

years ago, BEFORE trump went to helsinki and BEFORE trump incited the insurrection…

i was criticised for using the word traitor and/or comparing trump to hitler


yet years later- trump has shown us conclusively that the labels were NOT A MISTAKE

we should have all learned from it and realized that we are citizens of this country and we have a responsibility to our democracy

a serious responsibility

i believe both of us are on the side of doing our duty for our democracy

not everyone here is honorable or honest or responsible to do their part and i believe that is inarguable

You're such a loon.

Kamala been installed and astroturfed so you most def don't believe in any sort of democracy. Stop lying!

[koriwhat]

SH with his below room temperature iq on full display! :lmao

[ducks]

Kamala just took an ultra rare question from the press on how she plans on paying for her economic plan

She used the phrase “return on investment” 4 times in one minute and says she’ll reduce “child povracy” by 50%

She’s either nervous, drunk, or both

Not ready for prime time

https://x.com/_johnnymaga/status/1825310150116155686

[ducks]

NEW: Kamala Harris struggles to answer after a reporter asks her about her economic policy, says “return on investment” four times.

Reporter: Can you explain how you're gonna pay for your policies?

Harris: Well, I mean, you just look at it in terms of what we are talking about, for example, around children and the child tax credit… it's at $6,000 for the first year of a a child's life.

The return on that investment in terms of what that will do and what it will pay for will be tremendous…

And then what we're doing in terms of the tax credits, we know that there's a great return on investment and when we increase home ownership in America…

What that does to fund schools, again, return on investment…

I think it's a mistake for any person who talks about public policy to not critically evaluate how you measure the return on investment…


https://x.com/CollinRugg/status/1825312023322018122

[Ef-man]

Trump brutally raped a 13 yr old alongside Epstein - and beat her and threatened her family and the court case docs were posted here for all to read.
Trump attempted a coup and committed treason at helsinki alongside putin. It is on youtube.
Trump was convicted of 34 felonies for fraud and now wants you to vote for him so he can steal from the US Treasury.

Cosmic Kuntboy: Yawn. He has my vote!

Kamala introduced a plan which will never happen to try and help citizens from getting price gouged.
Cosmic Kuntboy: clutches pearlz and starts a thread to call it out!

Whats wrong with ^ this picture?

https://x.com/MicaelsRuben/status/1825247998705864988

[Spurs Homer]

https://x.com/MicaelsRuben/status/1825247998705864988

nothing to see here -

its KAMALA who is evil!

[Spurminator]

The pandering in this election is fucking comical. Trump says tips won't be taxable months ago. Suddenly Kamala says tips won't be taxable in her plan. Vance last week calls for a $5000 tax credit for babies first year. This week Kamala ups the ante to $6000. Trump says he wants to make SS income tax free. Will Kamala up that at the convention next week?

It has been interesting to see the GOP do a complete 180 on the welfare baby thing, even if it is just empty campaign promises. Guess they need to stay consistent on the whole "People who have children are more important than people who don't" bit that JD Vance introduced into the discourse.

[Winehole23]

1825652024027000921

https://x.com/BenRemaly/status/1825652024027000921

[Blake]

https://x.com/MicaelsRuben/status/1825247998705864988

Not sure I would even want to imagine what the inside looks using a black light

[Winehole23]

going after greedy crooks isn't price controls, nor is it communism


Agri Stats, as described in the complaint, is essentially a work-around for explicit collusion by meat processors. The company delivers weekly reports based on proprietary data given to them by meat processors, which have so much granular detail that everyone in the industry knows precisely what everyone else is doing, including the prices they’re offering. This allows for specific coordination that raises prices for everyone purchasing meat, while boosting profits for the processor middlemen.

What’s incredible, after reading this case, is that Agri Stats has been allowed to exist out in the open for nearly 40 years. There are similar third-party facilitators in other industries, like the airline-owned Airline Tariff Publishing Company, which publishes up-to-the-minute airfares for over 500 airlines numerous times per day. The Justice Department sued ATPCO in 1992 for price-fixing, but it ended in a settlement (https://www.justice.gov/atr/final-judgment-us-v-airline-tariff-publishing-company-et-al) that didn’t fundamentally change the business. It took 30 years for a new DOJ to bring essentially the same complaint against Agri Stats, with a mountain of data to back it up.

The conduct quoted in the lawsuit goes back to 2009, and there has been enough private antitrust litigation against Agri Stats that it shut down reports on two main lines of business—turkey and pork—four years ago. (Broiler chicken reports are still distributed.) Successive Justice Departments, for four decades, saw nothing wrong with a company that coordinates an entire industry on how to raise prices, in some cases explicitly according to the lawsuit. The muscles of antitrust were so shriveled that even the most obvious misconduct was ignored. It’s definitely a new day.
Lawsuit Highlights Why Meat Has Been Overpriced for 40 Years - The American Prospect (https://prospect.org/power/2023-10-03-lawsuit-highlights-why-meat-overpriced/)

[ducks]

Election Choice Between Capitalism, Socialism

[baseline bum]

Election Choice Between Capitalism, Socialism

Would be nice to have a choice but no it's right wing capitalism vs right wing capitalism

[Spurminator]

sOciALiZmm
https://i.imgflip.com/4/5r5xd3.jpg

[baseline bum]

going after greedy crooks isn't price controls, nor is it communism

Lawsuit Highlights Why Meat Has Been Overpriced for 40 Years - The American Prospect (https://prospect.org/power/2023-10-03-lawsuit-highlights-why-meat-overpriced/)

ROFL Cosmic's panties are in a bunch about Harris going after the cartels that are robbing us blind at the grocery store.

[Ef-man]

ROFL Cosmic's panties are in a bunch about Harris going after the cartels that are robbing us blind at the grocery store.

What will CC's butler do now?

[ducks]

Hope is making a comeback, Michelle?

Really?

What part of hope is a 45% capital gains tax?

What part of hope is 20% inflation?

I’m not hopeful with Kamala.

[benefactor]

Hope is making a comeback, Michelle?

Really?

What part of hope is a 45% capital gains tax?

What part of hope is 20% inflation?

I’m not hopeful with Kamala.
Hey stupid, keep your copy pastes in one thread. We all read it the first time.

[Ef-man]

As if alt ducks invests enough to worry about 45% capital gains tax!!! :lmao :lmao

[CosmicCowboy]

ROFL Cosmic's panties are in a bunch about Harris going after the cartels that are robbing us blind at the grocery store.

My panties are fine. Price controls have never worked. My question was how would they actually work this time? IMHO it's just more bullshit pandering for votes from low information voters. I don't expect anything to actually be done after the election.

[baseline bum]

My panties are fine. Price controls have never worked. My question was how would they actually work this time? IMHO it's just more bullshit pandering for votes from low information voters. I don't expect anything to actually be done after the election.

We're seeing what absolutely doesn't work right now: letting a few companies gobble everyone up and form cartels to fuck over both buyers and producers, but the only things more American than capitalist middlemen looting wealth is apple pie and school shootings. I mean I'd rather slit the throats of these leeches than price cap them, that would probably work better.

[Blake]

My panties are fine. Price controls have never worked. My question was how would they actually work this time? IMHO it's just more bullshit pandering for votes from low information voters. I don't expect anything to actually be done after the election.

Price gouging lawsuits absolutely have worked, low information poster.

[ducks]

Price gouging lawsuits absolutely have worked, low information poster.

Link

[Blake]

Link

Quick Google since you struggle with it, computer repairman.

"
Rockford City Council has agreed to settle a federal lawsuit with a pharmaceutical company accused of gouging the city over the price of a drug needed to treat two children diagnosed with a rare infant epilepsy disorder.

Express Scripts will pay the city of Rockford $3.3 million to cover the cost of the drugs plus fees..."

https://www.rrstar.com/story/news/local/2024/07/08/express-scripts-will-pay-rockford-3-3m-to-settle-price-gouging-suit/74333546007/



"SEATTLE--(BUSINESS WIRE)--In a victory for consumers, Washington state’s Supreme Court today filed an opinion in an active class-action lawsuit filed against Amazon.com accusing the world’s largest online retailer of price-gouging during the COVID-19 pandemic, according to attorneys at Hagens Berman."

https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20240808733895/en/Hagens-Berman-Washington-Supreme-Court-Delivers-Massive-Victory-to-Consumers-in-Price-Gouging-Lawsuit-Against-Amazon


That was 2 in a 30 second Google search. I'm not gonna hold your hand any more on that

[CosmicCowboy]

We're seeing what absolutely doesn't work right now: letting a few companies gobble everyone up and form cartels to fuck over both buyers and producers, but the only things more American than capitalist middlemen looting wealth is apple pie and school shootings. I mean I'd rather slit the throats of these leeches than price cap them, that would probably work better.

You certainly have the option of your local farmers markets and local meat markets. That's what we do a lot of.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The issue is that groceries have inelastic demand similar to health care. That subsumes a lot of the negative predictions.

[baseline bum]

You certainly have the option of your local farmers markets and local meat markets. That's what we do a lot of.

Oh piss off and quit dodging the fact that cartels control this nation's meat.

[CosmicCowboy]

Oh piss off and quit dodging the fact that cartels control this nation's meat.

And you do what to fix it? I'm not arguing but legitimately rather asking for a logical and clear way to do price controls on something as complicated as the food chain and groceries. Let's circle back to this topic in 2 years and I guarantee you kamala won't have done anything.

[baseline bum]

And you do what to fix it? I'm not arguing but legitimately rather asking for a logical and clear way to do price controls on something as complicated as the food chain and groceries. Let's circle back to this topic in 2 years and I guarantee you kamala won't have done anything.

Break companies like Cargill, JBS, Tyson, and the like up and put their owners and top executives in prison for collusion and how much money they have stolen from all of us.

[CosmicCowboy]

Break companies like Cargill, JBS, Tyson, and the like up and put their owners and top executives in prison for collusion and how much money they have stolen from all of us.

I don't think the voters would like empty meat counters at HEB. Google pictures of Russian grocery stores to see how central planning of food supply and pricing works.

[CosmicCowboy]

Break companies like Cargill, JBS, Tyson, and the like up and put their owners and top executives in prison for collusion and how much money they have stolen from all of us.

Plus, every one of those you mentioned are public companies whose stock is owned by private individuals and pension funds. Maybe even your retirement fund if you have one

[CosmicCowboy]

I still say it's just political bullshit for low information voters and she knows nothing will be done after she is elected.

[Blake]

I don't think the voters would like empty meat counters at HEB. Google pictures of Russian grocery stores to see how central planning of food supply and pricing works.

Lol that slippery slope

[baseline bum]

I don't think the voters would like empty meat counters at HEB. Google pictures of Russian grocery stores to see how central planning of food supply and pricing works.

We have central planning right now, that's what a fucking cartel is.

[baseline bum]

Plus, every one of those you mentioned are public companies whose stock is owned by private individuals and pension funds. Maybe even your retirement fund if you have one

Anything to lick the boot. Can't break up a criminal conspiracy because muh shareholders.

[CosmicCowboy]

Anything to lick the boot. Can't break up a criminal conspiracy because muh shareholders.

Circle back here in 2 years and see if Kamala has broken up those "cartels". LOL

[CosmicCowboy]

Lol that slippery slope

Speaking of low information voters...

[baseline bum]

Circle back here in 2 years and see if Kamala has broken up those "cartels". LOL

Obviously nothing will happen because Kamala's politics are way closer to yours than they are mine or the base that votes against the GOP since she's the establishment candidate of a very right wing democratic party. LOL you using socialist boogeyman scare tactics for a problem created by capitalist centralized control.

[Ef-man]

Plus, every one of those you mentioned are public companies whose stock is owned by private individuals and pension funds. Maybe even your retirement fund if you have one

Many financial institutions are public companies and look what happened in 2008, e.g., Bear Stearns.

[CosmicCowboy]

Obviously nothing will happen because Kamala's politics are way closer to yours than they are mine or the base that votes against the GOP since she's the establishment candidate of a very right wing democratic party. LOL you using socialist boogeyman scare tactics for a problem created by capitalist centralized control.

I don't think she is conservative at all. I just think she is on the adrenaline ride and will say whatever she thinks she needs to say to get elected. What a fucked up choice again. Delusional Trump and incompetent Kamala. You would think this country could do better.

[Blake]

Speaking of low information voters...

You're the one that gets shit on constantly in this forum for being out of it. Not me

[Blake]

I don't think she is conservative at all. I just think she is on the adrenaline ride and will say whatever she thinks she needs to say to get elected. What a fucked up choice again. Delusional Trump and incompetent Kamala. You would think this country could do better.

Is this the only thing you can come up with to call her incompetent?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

My panties are fine. Price controls have never worked. My question was how would they actually work this time? IMHO it's just more bullshit pandering for votes from low information voters. I don't expect anything to actually be done after the election.

Then how do all of the countries with social medicine and their price controls work with more monumentally more efficiency?

This is not gas where if prices go up, consumers stop going on trips and similar actions to lower number of sales. Everyone has to eat and while luxury food consumption is a replacer at higher cost that people can move down from, everyone still has to eat.

There is no one size fits all for any economical situation but in the case of inelastic demand: price controls make a lot of sense.

[baseline bum]

I don't think she is conservative at all. I just think she is on the adrenaline ride and will say whatever she thinks she needs to say to get elected. What a fucked up choice again. Delusional Trump and incompetent Kamala. You would think this country could do better.

Of course you don't think she's a right winger since you're pretty hard right. Overton window and all. I don't think this country can do better, lost every ounce of faith I ever had in it when none of the financial criminals who tanked the economy in 2008 went to prison.

[spurraider21]

i think calling her conservative is pretty hyperbolic. but the "she's a communist/socialist" stuff is more delusional and something that is shouted much more often. i think voters are bored of that attack label since its been used on kamala now, biden 4 years ago, and obama 12 years ago. its a tired label that is ringing more and more hollow with each use

if one's definition of communist/socialist is wanting to raise taxes by a few percentages, then its a useless definition

[baseline bum]

i think calling her conservative is pretty hyperbolic. but the "she's a communist/socialist" stuff is even more delusional

You don't think the Democrats are a right wing party? Their crowning achievement in the last twenty years was implementing Mitt Romney's healthcare plan on a national level.

[spurraider21]

You don't think the Democrats are a right wing party? Their crowning achievement in the last twenty years was implementing Mitt Romney's healthcare plan on a national level.
if your definition of "right wing party" is "someone not demolishing capitalism" then i guess, sure. but i dont think thats a useful descriptor

is she further to the right than people like sanders, warren, markey... yeah of course.

[baseline bum]

if your definition of "right wing party" is "someone not demolishing capitalism" then i guess, sure. but i dont think thats a useful descriptor

The thing was a blowjob to insurance companies, especially with the public option being torn out of it. Yes I define paying fealty to capital as right wing. Other rich nations have done well demolishing capitalism in their healthcare systems and they get better outcomes for better prices than we do.

Do you seriously not consider Mitt Romney a right winger because he casts meaningless votes against Trump and says he doesn't like him to the cameras?

[CosmicCowboy]

You're the one that gets shit on constantly in this forum for being out of it. Not me

I get shit on for being a middle of the road conservative in a forum of some educated liberals and some low information dudes like you.

[Blake]

I get shit on for being a middle of the road conservative in a forum of some educated liberals and some low information dudes like you.

No you don't. You get shit on for stupid takes, failing to back up your shit and crying about how everyone is mean to you over it.

[spurraider21]

The thing was a blowjob to insurance companies, especially with the public option being torn out of it. Yes I define paying fealty to capital as right wing. Other rich nations have done well demolishing capitalism in their healthcare systems and they get better outcomes for better prices than we do.

Do you seriously not consider Mitt Romney a right winger because he casts meaningless votes against Trump and says he doesn't like him to the cameras?
kamala wasnt there when the ACA was enacted. i agree with the criticisms of the ACA that it did little to address underlying costs. it was an improvement to the existing paradigm at the time, but in many ways was a missed opportunity. medicaid expansion was good. inability to hike rates or refuse coverage due to pre existing conditions was good. making sure people get preventative care like baby/child well visits, screenings for common cancers not requiring out of pocket expenditures was good. of course, its subsidized and so not attacking the root problem. but was objectively an improvement, which is why all the "repeal ACA" stuff has always been treated as nonsense.

there are several people i'd prefer to kamala had there been an open primary. i sure as fuck didnt vote for her in 2020. i supported warren early and ended up voting for sanders when he was the more pragmatic choice between the two.

saying all democrats are exactly as right wing as mitt romney by default because of the ACA at the exclusion of every other policy position is certainly a take. if neither kamala or trump is likely to repeal the ACA, do you really not see a distinction between those options?

[Blake]

You don't think the Democrats are a right wing party? Their crowning achievement in the last twenty years was implementing Mitt Romney's healthcare plan on a national level.

On an economic level yeah I mostly agree with you there. On a social level, democrats are still left.

[baseline bum]

kamala wasnt there when the ACA was enacted. i agree with the criticisms of the ACA that it did little to address underlying costs. it was an improvement to the existing paradigm at the time, but in many ways was a missed opportunity. medicaid expansion was good. inability to hike rates or refuse coverage due to pre existing conditions was good. making sure people get preventative care like baby/child well visits, screenings for common cancers not requiring out of pocket expenditures was good. of course, its subsidized and so not attacking the root problem. but was objectively an improvement, which is why all the "repeal ACA" stuff has always been treated as nonsense.

there are several people i'd prefer to kamala had there been an open primary. i sure as fuck didnt vote for her in 2020. i supported warren early and ended up voting for sanders when he was the more pragmatic choice between the two.

saying all democrats are exactly as right wing as mitt romney by default because of the ACA at the exclusion of every other policy position is certainly a take

Kamala was hand-picked by the ghouls responsible for the ACA, so it's a reasonable assumption she will probably govern like they did. The voting base has been able to drag the party kicking and screaming into a couple of good reforms like Biden price capping out of pocket expenses for Medicare Part D at $2,000 per year starting in 2025 or getting him to finally negotiate prices on a whopping ten drugs, which is why I vote for them because a few crumbs here and there is better than nothing. But most of the shit they pass for anything more than show is pretty right wing.

[spurraider21]

there are plenty of good criticisms of the biden/harris administration. their biggest blunder being among the more recent has been their unflinching support of israel in this conflict, instead going with the susan collins "concerned" approach of moaning about Netanyahu without taking any actual action. but on that front, which is probably their weakest position, trump is inarguably worse.

otherwise, who would i rather give a say when it comes to tax policy? on labor laws? on continuing to promote and accelerate green energy as the way of the future? these are all key economic issues. to say their are the same economically just because neither is likely to repeal the ACA and neither wants to abolish the concept of private property is somewhat childish imo.

and thats before getting into social issues, SCOTUS composition, etc

using the ACA as the sole lens to determine whether one is right wing or left wing is either misguided, lazy, or both. if that really is the only deciding factor, then i think left wing and right wing labels become superfluous

[spurraider21]

other big criticism of biden/harris admin has been their approach to student loans. much like the ACA, its basically subsidy instead of addressing the root issue. theyre just going out there and providing bits and chunks of relief here and there but not doing anything to address spiraling college costs and blank checks for future loans.

but again, on another area where im critical of the biden/harris admin, what better solutions am i getting from trump/vance?

so sure, there are areas where im unhappy with both. but there are unequivocally areas where biden/harris, or harris/waltz would be demonstrably bette than trump/vance and im not ready to just hand waive all those away because ACA exists

[baseline bum]

there are plenty of good criticisms of the biden/harris administration. their biggest blunder being among the more recent has been their unflinching support of israel in this conflict, instead going with the susan collins "concerned" approach of moaning about Netanyahu without taking any actual action. but on that front, which is probably their weakest position, trump is inarguably worse.

otherwise, who would i rather give a say when it comes to tax policy? on labor laws? on continuing to promote and accelerate green energy as the way of the future? these are all key economic issues. to say their are the same economically just because neither is likely to repeal the ACA and neither wants to abolish the concept of private property is somewhat childish imo.

and thats before getting into social issues, SCOTUS composition, etc

using the ACA as the sole lens to determine whether one is right wing or left wing is either misguided, lazy, or both. if that really is the only deciding factor, then i think left wing and right wing labels become superfluous

I'm not saying the Democrats aren't better than the GOP so don't strawman me like that. I said the Democrats are a right wing party and they are unless you zoom in real close to view them within the ridiculous overton window of US politics.

[ducks]

Student loans ?
Congress has to bail people out not the president
Bringing down prices helps everything

Other’s paid their own students loans why can you not ?

[Blake]

there are plenty of good criticisms of the biden/harris administration. their biggest blunder being among the more recent has been their unflinching support of israel in this conflict, instead going with the susan collins "concerned" approach of moaning about Netanyahu without taking any actual action. but on that front, which is probably their weakest position, trump is inarguably worse.

otherwise, who would i rather give a say when it comes to tax policy? on labor laws? on continuing to promote and accelerate green energy as the way of the future? these are all key economic issues. to say their are the same economically just because neither is likely to repeal the ACA and neither wants to abolish the concept of private property is somewhat childish imo.

and thats before getting into social issues, SCOTUS composition, etc

using the ACA as the sole lens to determine whether one is right wing or left wing is either misguided, lazy, or both

Not that I trust democrats more to accelerate green energy, it's that I trust Republicans to actively work against it.

[spurraider21]

I'm not saying the Democrats aren't better than the GOP so don't strawman me like that. I said the Democrats are a right wing party and they are unless you zoom in real close to view them in the ridiculous overton window of US politics.
yeah but your measure of what makes one right wing or left wing seems solely determined by ACA, and i think thats pretty absurd. all the other areas where biden/harris are clearly to the left of trump seem irrelevant. because as long as ACA... they are by default right wing?

what recent president has been better for labor rights than biden?

[baseline bum]

yeah but your measure of what makes one right wing or left wing seems solely determined by ACA, and i think thats pretty absurd

what recent president has been better for labor rights than biden?

Like when he shut down rail workers' strike? You're trying to pin me in like being on the left half of the US overton window all of a sudden makes someone not right wing. I think it's reasonable to judge the DNC by their one major accomplishment the last 20 years.

[spurraider21]

Like when he shut down rail workers' strike? You're trying to pin me in like being on the left half of the US overton window all of a sudden makes someone not right wing. I think it's reasonable to judge the DNC by their one major accomplishment the last 20 years.
wasnt my question. do you think any other recent president has been better for labor rights than joe biden? i didnt ask if he was the best possible person for labor rights.

you think they should have allowed the rail strike to tank the economy? they enforced an agreement than 8/12 rail unions had ratified. the remaining hangup most had was paid sick leave. something which has since been achieved by rail unions under this admin

[baseline bum]

wasnt my question. do you think any other recent president has been better for labor rights than joe biden? i didnt ask if he was the best possible person for labor rights.

You're changing the subject. Being in the left half of the US overton window doesn't mean you're not right wing.

https://i.ibb.co/L6fhLmd/perception-reality.jpg

[spurraider21]

ok i can draw the chart any way i want too

calling bernie center is hilarious. biden equidistant from trump and warren... i mean what planet are we on?

again, your sole guiding factor for whether someone being left or right wing appears to be ACA and im just gonna say thats a lazy and/or nonsensical position

[spurraider21]

my honest question in all this is what matters when determining if someone is left wing or right wing. you seem to not really consider the social aspect of it, so fine. im addressing the economic aspect of it.

your hangup has been ACA, thats fine. im bringing up other economic issues... we can talk about tax policy, labor rights. but on labor, you are brushing aside the big labor wins from the biden admin by flippantly pointing out the rail issue as the deciding factor there as if the rest doesnt matter. (even though rail unions ended up getting paid sick leave down the line anyway). to what end?

[pgardn]

I am totally confused on what left and right mean since Trump reset the entire relativity of how one would try to assess this.

I did not think in your face lying was right or left. Clinton lied right into the television. Trump took that and basically claimed lying as his greatest asset.
Since its clear the Republican party is the party of Trump, their leaders have a mission to lie and lie again until it becomes the truth to the rabid base.
Im out of that shit. So my only choice is to get rid of him.

And this socialism shit. The US is full of socialistic structures in government. The US cant be totally capitalistic or it would consume itself. The Republican party thinkers, and there are some, know this.

[baseline bum]

ok i can draw the chart any way i want too

calling bernie center is hilarious. biden equidistant from trump and warren... i mean what planet are we on?

again, your sole guiding factor for whether someone being left or right wing appears to be ACA and im just gonna say thats a lazy and/or nonsensical position

It's not my sole guiding factor, but you want to act like it's an aberration when it's the single major thing the Democrats have accomplished this century. I don't see what's so hilarious about calling Bernie center when his biggest goal was Medicare For All which is a very centrist position if you look at what the public wants and not what the political elites want.

Also I posted the chart because you seem confused continually arguing Kamala and Biden are to the left of Trump as if I was arguing differently.

[baseline bum]

I am totally confused on what left and right mean since Trump reset the entire relativity of how one would try to assess this.

I did not think in your face lying was right or left. Clinton lied right into the television. Trump took that and basically claimed lying as his greatest asset.
Since its clear the Republican party is the party of Trump, their leaders have a mission to lie and lie again until it becomes the truth to the rabid base.
Im out of that shit. So my only choice is to get rid of him.

And this socialism shit. The US is full of socialistic structures in government. The US cant be totally capitalistic or it would consume itself. The Republican party thinkers, and there are some, know this.

You think Clinton is to the left? One of the most lasseiz-faire presidents we have ever had with respect to Wall Street for example? Clinton is the one who dragged the party to the right after they lost the 88 election due to Willie Horton and a tank photo-op.

[baseline bum]

ok i can draw the chart any way i want too

calling bernie center is hilarious. biden equidistant from trump and warren... i mean what planet are we on?

again, your sole guiding factor for whether someone being left or right wing appears to be ACA and im just gonna say thats a lazy and/or nonsensical position

My main guiding factor in calling the Democrats a right wing party is how they have built themselves in Bill Clinton's image, at least the current power structure of the DNC, and he was clearly right wing. FFS he kept Greenspan in charge of the FED. But more examples, how about Obama doing nothing to the criminals who wrecked our economy in 2008? Instead he had a financial team stretching from Goldman to Sachs. Or one of Obama's worst moments, when he drank toxic water from Flint in a press conference to try to provide cover for Gov Snyder and his privatization scheme when the people of Flint were looking for real leadership. See silly negroes, it's safe to take a sip out of this.

[spurraider21]

It's not my sole guiding factor, but you want to act like it's an aberration when it's the single major thing the Democrats have accomplished this century. I don't see what's so hilarious about calling Bernie center when his biggest goal was Medicare For All which is a very centrist position if you look at what the public wants and not what the political elites want.

Also I posted the chart because you seem confused continually arguing Kamala and Biden are to the left of Trump as if I was arguing differently.
ACA was the single most impactful legislation passed since god knows how long, so yes, i would agree that it is the major things democrats have accomplished. another major accomplishment of democrats this century is getting out of the iraq and afghanistan wars. keeping the US at least reasonably in the picture when it comes to the green energy revolution (though we are still behind where we should be). how about dodd frank and CFPB? how about guiding the US into recovery thru the great recession and post covid? the latter of which has so far threaded the needed as far as necessary stimulus to keep things growing and has finally curbed inflation without tanking the economy?

while not specifically legislated, biden's NLRB has been one of the biggest boons to organized labor since probably FDR. even symbolically, he is the first president ever to walk in a picket line (UAW strike). while its been struck down for now, he also tried to outright ban non-competes. sure he's not trying to abolish wage labor, but this part of his presidency is pretty unequivocally left wing

in what universe is medicare for all a centrist position? yes you can find the odd poll where 70% of people or something say they want it but when those polls are phrased in ways that say things like "private health care plans would be eliminated" the support vanishes. if it was really that popular, we'd see way more M4A types get elected. bernie would have outpolled any democrat in primaries if it was that popular among democrats, let alone the general public. and yeah, while the DNC didnt do bernie any favors, he also wasnt getting enough votes despite M4A being is one calling card that everybody knew him for.

[ChumpDumper]

I don't think she is conservative at all. I just think she is on the adrenaline ride and will say whatever she thinks she needs to say to get elected. What a fucked up choice again. Delusional Trump and incompetent Kamala. You would think this country could do better.Oh look, Bothsidesmic Cowboy entered the chat.

[pgardn]

You think Clinton is to the left? One of the most lasseiz-faire presidents we have ever had with respect to Wall Street for example? Clinton is the one who dragged the party to the right after they lost the 88 election due to Willie Horton and a tank photo-op.

Not when he kicked so many people off welfare. At that time, apparently, balancing the budget was a goal to be reached. Clinton worked with Republican urging to accomplish this via cutting social programs, shutting various military facilities etc. This was apparently lauded by both parties.

My point is that both parties lie. But imo, the Republicans have made this THE major way to do business. It’s totally out of control now.
They work amongst themselves calling each other liars. In fact lying is considered a major mode of communication. This makes no sense to me if one is trying to accurately present some problem to be solved.

[pgardn]

Republicans are the party of one man. And he is a pathological liar.

[pgardn]

My main guiding factor in calling the Democrats a right wing party is how they have built themselves in Bill Clinton's image, at least the current power structure of the DNC, and he was clearly right wing. FFS he kept Greenspan in charge of the FED. But more examples, how about Obama doing nothing to the criminals who wrecked our economy in 2008? Instead he had a financial team stretching from Goldman to Sachs. Or one of Obama's worst moments, when he drank toxic water from Flint in a press conference to try to provide cover for Gov Snyder and his privatization scheme when the people of Flint were looking for real leadership. See silly negroes, it's safe to take a sip out of this.

Imo you would have to take some European government, call it left, and then it would be easier to determine what individual politicians are socially and economically. In the US the ruler to measure this description of L and R is in flux. It’s a relativistic measurement and the point of view is changing.

[baseline bum]

ACA was the single most impactful legislation passed since god knows how long, so yes, i would agree that it is the major things democrats have accomplished. another major accomplishment of democrats this century is getting out of the iraq and afghanistan wars. keeping the US at least reasonably in the picture when it comes to the green energy revolution (though we are still behind where we should be). how about dodd frank and CFPB? how about guiding the US into recovery thru the great recession and post covid? the latter of which has so far threaded the needed as far as necessary stimulus to keep things growing and has finally curbed inflation without tanking the economy?

while not specifically legislated, biden's NLRB has been one of the biggest boons to organized labor since probably FDR. even symbolically, he is the first president ever to walk in a picket line (UAW strike). while its been struck down for now, he also tried to outright ban non-competes. sure he's not trying to abolish wage labor, but this part of his presidency is pretty unequivocally left wing

in what universe is medicare for all a centrist position? yes you can find the odd poll where 70% of people or something say they want it but when those polls are phrased in ways that say things like "private health care plans would be eliminated" the support vanishes. if it was really that popular, we'd see way more M4A types get elected. bernie would have outpolled any democrat in primaries if it was that popular among democrats, let alone the general public. and yeah, while the DNC didnt do bernie any favors, he also wasnt getting enough votes despite M4A being is one calling card that everybody knew him for.

Sorry man that's some real limousine liberal talk hyping the jobless recovery of 2009 as some proof the DNC isn't right wing. Absolute disaster for the working class, similar with the post COVID recovery that has turned so much of the labor market over to crap gig work. But the stock market went up both times. What credit should the DNC get for curbing inflation? Corporations just jacked prices up until they squeezed so much blood out of the people there's not much left. Sorry man, the economy is tanked when you look at what housing costs (there's another criminal conspiracy with RealPage), what education costs (WTF at having to go into so much debt to pay for the right to work a stable job in this nation?), what healthcare costs, and what food costs. This is not a healthy nation and it has been sad watching the US turn more and more into Mexico the last 45 years with the skyrocketing wealth disparity, though a two class society likely is the stable equilibrium of capitalism just like it was here pre WWII.

[baseline bum]

I get shit on for being a middle of the road conservative in a forum of some educated liberals and some low information dudes like you.

Sad that don't prosecute a criminal fucking conspiracy because muh shareholders is middle of the road conservatism these days.

[baseline bum]

there are plenty of good criticisms of the biden/harris administration. their biggest blunder being among the more recent has been their unflinching support of israel in this conflict, instead going with the susan collins "concerned" approach of moaning about Netanyahu without taking any actual action. but on that front, which is probably their weakest position, trump is inarguably worse.


Also their biggest blunder was not admitting DC and PR as states to try to level the playing field just a little in the senate and electoral college.

[spurraider21]

Sorry man that's some real limousine liberal talk hyping the jobless recovery of 2009 as some proof the DNC isn't right wing. Absolute disaster for the working class, similar with the post COVID recovery that has turned so much of the labor market over to crap gig work. But the stock market went up both times. What credit should the DNC get for curbing inflation? Corporations just jacked prices up until they squeezed so much blood out of the people there's not much left. Sorry man, the economy is tanked when you look at what housing costs (there's another criminal conspiracy with RealPage), what education costs (WTF at having to go into so much debt for the right to work a stable job in this nation?), what healthcare costs, and what food costs. This is not a healthy nation and it has been sad watching the US turn more and more into Mexico the last 45 years with the skyrocketing wealth disparity, though a two class society likely is the stable equilibrium of capitalism just like it was here pre WWII.
i addressed college costs as another failure of the dems.

for stuff like food. yes, inflation is a thing. but so is real wage growth. our purchasing power for food has and continues to grow with time. if more dumbasses overspend because they eat outside the house more or keep using doordash or ubereats, thats not a failure of the democratic party, sorry

https://www.ers.usda.gov/webdocs/Charts/58367/food-prices_fig09_450px.png?v=1099.4

[baseline bum]

i addressed college costs as another failure of the dems.

for stuff like food. yes, inflation is a thing. but so is real wage growth. our purchasing power for food has and continues to grow with time. if more dumbasses overspend because they eat outside the house more or keep using doordash or ubereats, thats not a failure of the democratic party, sorry

https://www.ers.usda.gov/webdocs/Charts/58367/food-prices_fig09_450px.png?v=1099.4

I'm referring to grocery costs which have been clearly inflated. One of the worst things about the price gouging in food is the formerly cheap shit shot up in price. Eggs, cereal, ramen noodles, shit like that has gone through the roof in pricing when they used to be cheap calories. I still remember when beef prices shooting to the moon in 2011 was blamed on the Texas drought and then they just stayed high forever after thanks to the meat cartel.

[spurraider21]

I'm referring to grocery costs which have been clearly inflated. One of the worst things about the price gouging in food is the formerly cheap shit shot up in price. Eggs, cereal, ramen noodles, shit like that has gone through the roof in pricing when they used to be cheap calories. I still remember when beef prices shooting to the moon in 2011 was blamed on the Texas drought and then they just stayed high forever after thanks to the meat cartel.
same applies. yes, prices have gone up. so have real wages. purchase power has still been heading in the right direction. thats all encompassed by the "food at home" figure in the chart above.

as for eggs, yes, they skyrocketed for a period. some of that was attributed to a shortage. some of it was undeniably price gouging using the bird flu as a pretext. though prices did then return to basically 2014 or so levels. have gone back up again somewhat in recent months but hard to know exactly where it will stabilize

https://i.gyazo.com/56658cac245f99beae4d5f0364fa85c6.png

[spurraider21]

did you ever get around to explaining how bernie's medicare for all proposal is centrist in the US?

[baseline bum]

did you ever get around to explaining how bernie's medicare for all proposal is centrist in the US?

It's centrist until you mention Democrats.

[baseline bum]

Imo you would have to take some European government, call it left, and then it would be easier to determine what individual politicians are socially and economically. In the US the ruler to measure this description of L and R is in flux. It’s a relativistic measurement and the point of view is changing.

I'm comparing to the rest of the rich world. There's no way the DNC isn't right wing by that standard when they still fully support this ridiculous reverse robin hood healthcare system and had to be dragged kicking and screaming into finally letting Medicare negotiate prices on a whole 10 drugs twenty years after Bush made it illegal.

[spurraider21]

It's centrist until you mention Democrats.
im asking how its centrist at all

[baseline bum]

im asking how its centrist at all

Fine, if you want to argue the public option is the centrist position in the US the DNC is still very right wing compared to the public on healthcare.

[velik_m]

https://cdn.prod.dailykos.com/images/1337053/story_image/1700ckCOMICrussianrevolution.jpg

[z0sa]

Democrats might be "left wing" in this country, but by any other westernized country's standards, they are still right wing. I don't see how this is arguable. In fact, I would consider the two parties essentially a right-wing uniparty at this point, and have since at least 2015.

I remember a specific article posted by winehole23 about how Obama, in a vacuum, during his presidency could have been considered a moderate republican with his views.

Obamacare's passage, for example, might have brought us more to the left of insurance companies simply conducting highway robbery and murder on a grand scale, but that doesn't mean the act itself is even the representation of a globally centrist position. All of the other countries we could compare ourselves to have essentially free (at the point of contact) healthcare, not partially subsidized with often-times massive premium payments and co-pays/deductibles remaining for the majority of those insured.

It's the same for items like gun regulation and abortion. Other countries don't allow guns at all except for very specific sporting/hunting uses, with many countries denying license even in those cases. Democrats want to ban assault weapons and some modifications. It's to the left of the free for all we have right now, but it's not a position that can be compared to all of these other countries.

Abortion is literally enshrined in multiple major country's constitutions, as well. There's not even a debate in Europe about women's reproduction rights as far as I can tell.

As change occurs, the positions of the spectrum changes with it. Americans, including democrats, just by essentially "standing still", have been moved as if by conveyer belt further and further to the right. Our military spending, in my humble opinion, is what drives this undercurrent strongest, but that's perhaps another discussion.

[ducks]

Target’s CEO blasts Kamala’s claim that retailers are price gouging:


https://x.com/realDailyWire/status/1826677868656820349

[Spurminator]

We have a party that serves to maintain the wealth and lifestyle of inheritance billionaires, and we have a party who serves to increase it. They have us fight over things that have no effect on them at all. The 1% is not impacted in any way by the legality of abortion, guns, sex change operations, diversity programs, public healthcare, public schools or book banning, so they keep us arguing over them because 1) those things rightfully matter to us, and 2) it keeps us too distracted to band together to take more of what they've accumulated on our backs.

[baseline bum]

We have a party that serves to maintain the wealth and lifestyle of inheritance billionaires, and we have a party who serves to increase it. They have us fight over things that have no effect on them at all. The 1% is not impacted in any way by the legality of abortion, guns, sex change operations, diversity programs, or book burning, so they keep us arguing over them because 1) those things rightfully matter to us, and 2) it keeps us too distracted to band together to take more of what they've accumulated on our backs.

Yeah I remember that argument from Ginsburg that abortion will never be illegal for rich white women who can just hop on a plane to another state.

[Winehole23]

Oh look, Bothsidesmic Cowboy entered the chat.CC thinks Harris is flighty and irrational, I think I've heard this song before.

[Ef-man]

Yeah I remember that argument from Ginsburg that abortion will never be illegal for rich white women who can just hop on a plane to another state.

I also heard from a person with extensive cattle ranching experience that cows do not fart cause their intestines are not long.

[SnakeBoy]

We have a party that serves to maintain the wealth and lifestyle of inheritance billionaires, and we have a party who serves to increase it. They have us fight over things that have no effect on them at all. The 1% is not impacted in any way by the legality of abortion, guns, sex change operations, diversity programs, public healthcare, public schools or book banning, so they keep us arguing over them because 1) those things rightfully matter to us, and 2) it keeps us too distracted to band together to take more of what they've accumulated on our backs.

System works :tu

[baseline bum]

System works :tu

Exactly as the founders designed it to

[SnakeBoy]

Exactly as the founders designed it to

The government you elect is the government you deserve.

[Winehole23]

The government you elect is the government you deserve.you don't care about that, your side is trying to spoil the election again

[ducks]

Kamala Harris backs Biden’s tax proposals — including a tax on unrealized capital gains



https://www.marketwatch.com/story/kamala-harris-backs-bidens-tax-proposals-including-a-tax-on-unrealized-capital-gains-66c55df2

[pgardn]

I'm comparing to the rest of the rich world. There's no way the DNC isn't right wing by that standard when they still fully support this ridiculous reverse robin hood healthcare system and had to be dragged kicking and screaming into finally letting Medicare negotiate prices on a whole 10 drugs twenty years after Bush made it illegal.

The rich world could be Saudi Arabia, Quatar, or it could be Norway, Denmark. I would use European democracies in the North if I had to start with a known point of comparison of what left might be.

[SnakeBoy]

you don't care about that, your side is trying to spoil the election again

What are you crying about?

[baseline bum]

The rich world could be Saudi Arabia, Quatar, or it could be Norway, Denmark. I would use European democracies in the North if I had to start with a known point of comparison of what left might be.

If you said democracies that would take us out of the group. So let's say the rich western nations. Democrats are a solidly right wing party under that lens.

[Winehole23]

"Votes don't matter. We already have the votes."

[pgardn]

If you said democracies that would take us out of the group. So let's say the rich western nations. Democrats are a solidly right wing party under that lens.

No I would not.
You can vote.

Now I understand the burden of the electoral college. But we still have the vote even though people are trying to screw it up.
You also have a direct vote in Texas. I consider part of being a citizen as trying to tell my side of why I think our State government as it stands now stinks.
I tell people what I think is undemocratic. Imo people have become super selfish. People dont volunteer as much as they used to, etc... That has to change.
It starts at the local level. Thats where we both can have the greatest impact. You can become tired of it, or you can try to change it as an individual.

[baseline bum]

No I would not.
You can vote.

Now I understand the burden of the electoral college. But we still have the vote even though people are trying to screw it up.
You also have a direct vote in Texas. I consider part of being a citizen as trying to tell my side of why I think our State government as it stands now stinks.
I tell people what I think is undemocratic. Imo people have become super selfish. People dont volunteer as much as they used to, etc... That has to change.
It starts at the local level. Thats where we both can have the greatest impact. You can become tired of it, or you can try to change it as an individual.

Local level my ass, all politics is national now.

[spurraider21]

Sorry man that's some real limousine liberal talk hyping the jobless recovery of 2009 as some proof the DNC isn't right wing. Absolute disaster for the working class, similar with the post COVID recovery that has turned so much of the labor market over to crap gig work. But the stock market went up both times. What credit should the DNC get for curbing inflation? Corporations just jacked prices up until they squeezed so much blood out of the people there's not much left. Sorry man, the economy is tanked when you look at what housing costs (there's another criminal conspiracy with RealPage), what education costs (WTF at having to go into so much debt to pay for the right to work a stable job in this nation?), what healthcare costs, and what food costs. This is not a healthy nation and it has been sad watching the US turn more and more into Mexico the last 45 years with the skyrocketing wealth disparity, though a two class society likely is the stable equilibrium of capitalism just like it was here pre WWII.
1826847936749138237

[ducks]

Since Harris took office:

Total prices are up 20%
Car insurance is up 54%
Hotels are up 51.2%
Gas is up 50.5%
Fuel oil is up 49.1%
Transportation is up 32.9%
Electricity is up 31.7%
Baby food is up 30.1%
Eating out is up 23%
Airfare is up 22.6%
Rent is up 22%
Groceries are up 21.6%

- Democrats and Kamala Harris are proud of this

[Ef-man]

CEOs do not like the felon because the federal debt increased 100% under his administration

[ducks]

Joe Kernen absolutely destroyed Elizabeth Warren for calling for price controls.

This is how the media, on both sides, should be pushing against moronic, economically illiterate ideas that have been tried and failed countless times throughout history.


https://x.com/Geiger_Capital/status/1826984630492303495

[baseline bum]

Joe Kernen absolutely destroyed Elizabeth Warren for calling for price controls.

This is how the media, on both sides, should be pushing against moronic, economically illiterate ideas that have been tried and failed countless times throughout history.


https://x.com/Geiger_Capital/status/1826984630492303495

Nothing more moronic and economically illiterate than Trump's trickle down economics.

[pgardn]

Local level my ass, all politics is national now.

Nope. Backward thinking. Where can you make an impact?

I want an educated public.
First place to start is go to the meetings school district level and stop the book banning.
Basics. Get proper board members on school districts. There are so many of these places, the bottom of the pyramid.
If we ALL did that, it would be heard loud and clear. The crazy red team members do it.

[baseline bum]

Nope. Backward thinking. Where can you make an impact?

I want an educated public.
First place to start is go to the meetings school district level and stop the book banning.
Basics. Get proper board members on school districts. There are so many of these places, the bottom of the pyramid.
If we ALL did that, it would be heard loud and clear. The crazy red team members do it.

The book bannings and all that shit are because all politics is national and the right is trying to be Trump all the way down.

[CosmicCowboy]

So 8 pages in and none of you believers wants to explain how grocery store price controls could work? It was a pretty simple question. I guess insults are easier to throw around

[SnakeBoy]

So 8 pages in and none of you believers wants to explain how grocery store price controls could work? It was a pretty simple question. I guess insults are easier to throw around

You have to vote for it to find out

Honestly, it's more entertaining to hear libs grapple with the reality that political parties DGAF about them. It appears peegarden knows how to change that and I'm looking forward to hearing more about it.

[ChumpDumper]

So 8 pages in and none of you believers wants to explain how grocery store price controls could work? It was a pretty simple question. I guess insults are easier to throw around:lol it's your thread. 8 pages in and you can't explain what policy you said Harris actually proposed. I asked you a pretty simple question. I guess insults are easier to throw around.

[baseline bum]

So 8 pages in and none of you believers wants to explain how grocery store price controls could work? It was a pretty simple question. I guess insults are easier to throw around

ROFL don't prosecute a criminal conspiracy because muh shareholders. ROFL middle of the road conservatism.

[Blake]

So 8 pages in and none of you believers wants to explain how grocery store price controls could work? It was a pretty simple question. I guess insults are easier to throw around

I guess you gave yourself your reason to vote for Trump then

[spurraider21]

So 8 pages in and none of you believers wants to explain how grocery store price controls could work? It was a pretty simple question. I guess insults are easier to throw around
i dont think it would, and unless we see a specific policy outline on it, im not convinced its anything more than a suggestion that they will be more aggressive with anti-trust litigation

[Ef-man]

Sorry guys, Blake and I are tapped out of ideas after spending too much time on other research.


Cows do not have intestines. The breakdown of the cellulose they eat happens in the rumen and that is where the methane is produced in the digestion process.


http://college.agrilife.org/skillathon/wp-content/uploads/sites/44/2015/10/Snapshot-2012-08-21-20-17-25.png

https://beefskillathon.tamu.edu/cows-digestive-system/


Thanks. I stand corrected. Cows have four stomachs as shown in the photo and relatively small intestines, unlike humans that have one stomach and massive intestines.Thats why we don't belch and burp methane like cows do. I should have been more specific and I stand corrected.


"For most whale and dolphin species, the length of their intestines works out as: (body length0.762) x 17.02. That comes to more than 150m of intestine in the case of a large sperm whale and possibly as much as 220m for a blue whale. While this sounds enormous, it’s actually only seven or eight times the whale’s body length. In contrast, a cow has intestines that are 20 times as long as its body – that’s 40m for a 2m-long cow!…"

https://www.sciencefocus.com/nature/how-long-is-the-largest-animal-intestine/

[Ef-man]

Actually, there was a good article from early this year on the topic

https://groundworkcollaborative.org/work/whats-driving-the-rise-in-grocery-prices-and-what-the-government-can-do-about-it/

From article, these are current things being done (details on each is in the article if you have time to read):
-Identifying and addressing anticompetitive and anti-consumer structures and practices in food, retail, meat/poultry, and other agricultural industries
-Investing in increasing competition and resilience in the meat and poultry supply chains
-Leveling the playing field*
-Investing in domestic food supply chains
-Making historic investments in combating climate change

And there are additional things that can also be done:
-Investigating and potentially reforming the use of slotting fees
-Carefully scrutinizing anticompetitive mergers throughout the food supply chain
-Finalizing regulations to promote competition in meatpacking
-Reinstating and making food assistance expansions permanent

*John Oliver had a related segment on how poultry industry exploited, deceived, and pushed chicken farmers into debt

[pgardn]

The book bannings and all that shit are because all politics is national and the right is trying to be Trump all the way down.

They are local problems then.
The few nuts go into school boards and berate school board members.
How about people going saying “you will teach my child Catcher in The Rye” because it is a classic and children will learn.
See when it comes down to doing something the nuts go in and the rational people sit on their hands.
Par for the course. Guess the nuts gotta make it hurt more for people to act.
Or even more radical, run for the school board and state your agenda. Win and then go city council. Then keep going…
Or be Trump and get in because you are good on reality TV and lie. Create hate.

[ducks]

Why you bring education to the state
To have more say !

[baseline bum]

They are local problems then.
The few nuts go into school boards and berate school board members.
How about people going saying “you will teach my child Catcher in The Rye” because it is a classic and children will learn.
See when it comes down to doing something the nuts go in and the rational people sit on their hands.
Par for the course. Guess the nuts gotta make it hurt more for people to act.
Or even more radical, run for the school board and state your agenda. Win and then go city council. Then keep going…
Or be Trump and get in because you are good on reality TV and lie. Create hate.

Primary GOP voters vote the most extreme candidates to match what's happening nationally with the GOP and then in general elections there is a lot more straight party line voting than there used to be so the extremists win in red districts. The old saying all politics is local is completely antiquated now with media like Clear Channel, Fox News, and Sinclair radicalizing the conservative base nationally.

[Winehole23]

Primary GOP voters vote the most extreme candidates to match what's happening nationally with the GOP and then in general elections there is a lot more straight party line voting than there used to be so the extremists win in red districts. The old saying all politics is local is completely antiquated now with media like Clear Channel, Fox News, and Sinclair radicalizing the conservative base nationally.The MAGA megaphones of Fox, Clear Channel, et al awaken the masses, show them their role and their true friends, and inspire them to heroic struggle against minorities and the uniparty.

Bannonist-Leninism isn't dead yet by a long shot. Trump's seen better days, but Republicans have no one nearly as good in the bullpen.

[ducks]

Here are the top 10 companies in the United States that have the highest profit margin:

1. Visa
2. Mastercard
3. Microsoft
4. Apple
5. Facebook
6. Google
7. Pfizer
8. Adobe
9. Intuitive Surgical
10. T-Mobile

If you want to talk about price gouging, why don’t you start with those.

But she want to talk to you about the price of food !

[Blake]

How about we start here:

"The Trump Organization appears to have overcharged the Secret Service for stays at Trump-owned properties by agents protecting the then-president. The charges exceeded the government's approved rate, according to the House Oversight Committee, which says Secret Service records show payments totaling over $1.4 million."

https://www.npr.org/2022/10/17/1129491352/trump-hotels-overcharged-secret-service-agents

[ChumpDumper]

Here are the top 10 companies in the United States that have the highest profit margin:

1. Visa
2. Mastercard
3. Microsoft
4. Apple
5. Facebook
6. Google
7. Pfizer
8. Adobe
9. Intuitive Surgical
10. T-Mobile

If you want to talk about price gouging, why don’t you start with those.

But she want to talk to you about the price of food !

How is Facebook price gouging you, ducks?

[Spurminator]

Here are the top 10 companies in the United States that have the highest profit margin:

1. Visa
2. Mastercard
3. Microsoft
4. Apple
5. Facebook
6. Google
7. Pfizer
8. Adobe
9. Intuitive Surgical
10. T-Mobile

If you want to talk about price gouging, why don’t you start with those.

But she want to talk to you about the price of food !


"WAAAAAHH WAHHHH MY GROCERY BILL IS TOO HIGH!!!!!! :cry"

I agree, we should do something about grocery chains and food suppliers monopolizing and driving prices up.

"No don't do that."


All you guys know how to do is bitch. You don't care about solutions, you only care that the overall narrative is that we're living in a hellscape and your emotional support Trump is the only one who can save us from it.

[ducks]

All you care is Trump not in office if North Korean President was running the ticket you would vote for him




If you did not have the name of the people running for office
But just what the say they would do
You would vote for Trump I bet

[ChumpDumper]

All you care is Trump not in office if North Korean President was running the ticket you would vote for him




If you did not have the name of the people running for office
But just what the say they would do
You would vote for Trump I bet

Kim is not eligible to run.

[ObiwanGinobili]

Kim is not eligible to run.

Also hes not Pro Groceries, so wouldn't get my vote.