Go back to making PIs reviewable

[DAF86]

I don't know why they went back on that. PIs are the calls that impact a game the most and it's hard to get them right on real time sometimes. They should be able to be reverted if the mistake is clear. Maybe instead of having coaches challenge them, you can have the booth refs just reverse the call when it's egregious.

[Bill_Brasky]

PI and holding should be a 5 yard penalty.

[Thanos]

PI and holding should be a 5 yard penalty.
Holding on both sides of the ball would be even more frequent and blatant if the penalty wasn’t so severe. And it will lead to way more whining and crying by fans than what we currently have.

I do agree PI shouldn’t be a spot foul, it should be 15 yards max. But that means Joe Flacco would have been out of the league in 3 years, and switched careers to robbing banks with Robert Pattinson.

[MultiTroll]

Holding on both sides of the ball would be even more frequent and blatant if the penalty wasn’t so severe. And it will lead to way more whining and crying by fans than what we currently have.

I do agree PI shouldn’t be a spot foul, it should be 15 yards max. But that means Joe Flacco would have been out of the league in 3 years, and switched careers to robbing banks with Robert Pattinson.
If you rob a team of a 50 yard catch in the endzone, why should it be only 15 yards?

[Thanos]

If you rob a team of a 50 yard catch in the endzone, why should it be only 15 yards?
Why even spot it at the 1yd line? Why not just award them the TD?

[Blake]

Holding on both sides of the ball would be even more frequent and blatant if the penalty wasn’t so severe. And it will lead to way more whining and crying by fans than what we currently have.

I do agree PI shouldn’t be a spot foul, it should be 15 yards max. But that means Joe Flacco would have been out of the league in 3 years, and switched careers to robbing banks with Robert Pattinson.

Yeah, college has it right with the PI penalty I think.

[Blake]

If you rob a team of a 50 yard catch in the endzone, why should it be only 15 yards?

That's assuming he was going to catch it. Maybe they should switch to basketball rules and allow the receiver two free kicks from a charity stripe around the 5 yard line. If they determine it was a break away foul, they get the ball again starting at the opponent 30.

[MultiTroll]

Why even spot it at the 1yd line? Why not just award them the TD?
This would certainly cut down on the endzone bullshit. Unless of course you're the Chiefs thus no call will be made.
A review would switch it to the NY camera crew, unless they are paid off too.
We have seen evidence of this.


That's assuming he was going to catch it. Maybe they should switch to basketball rules and allow the receiver two free kicks from a charity stripe around the 5 yard line. If they determine it was a break away foul, they get the ball again starting at the opponent 30.
Lamar Jacksons perfect TD passes have a 50% chance of being dropped or PI on the defense, so yes true we should not assume receiver would have caught ball.

[DAF86]

PI and holding should be a 5 yard penalty.

Then you will have DBs blatantly interfering with WRs that have them beat past 5 yards. Clearly not the answer.

[DAF86]

Holding on both sides of the ball would be even more frequent and blatant if the penalty wasn’t so severe. And it will lead to way more whining and crying by fans than what we currently have.

I do agree PI shouldn’t be spot fouls, it should be 15 yards max. But that means Joe Flacco would have been out of the league in 3 years, and switched careers to robbing banks with Robert Pattinson.

PIs should definitely be spot fouls. They just need to be overturned when the missed call is blatant.

[Thanos]

PIs should definitely be spot fouls. They just need to be overturned when the missed call is blatant.
I don’t think there’s any scenario where it’s a good idea to reward a team with 50 free yards due to a theoretical catch. We saw the Ravens build an entire offense around “chuck it deep + wide receiver flops = free yardage”. Seems like Indy could try the same thing.

[DAF86]

I don’t think there’s any scenario where it’s a good idea to reward a team with 50 free yards due to a theoretical catch. We saw the Ravens build an entire offense around “chuck it deep + wide receiver flops = free yardage”. Seems like Indy could try the same thing.

If you don't want to get called for 50 yards, just don't interfere with the receiver as a defender. Simple as that.

Putting a limit to the amount of yards a defensive team can get penalized for PI will just motivate defensive backs to interfere on purpose to prevent bigger gains or clear TDs.

Imagine this situation: a WR gets 5 yards of separation, the QB throws a perfect ball from their own 30 yard line. Do you really think the DB wouldn't just tackle the WR before the ball gets to him so that the offense gets a 1st and 10 from their own 45 instead of a TD? Explosive plays would decrease dramatically.

Your idea would be great to make the NFL a lot shittier to watch, tbh.

[Thanos]

If you don't want to get called for 50 yards, just don't interfere with the receiver as a defender. Simple as that.

Putting a limit to the amount of yards a defensive team can get penalized for PI will just motivate defensive backs to interfere on purpose to prevent bigger gains or clear TDs.

Imagine this situation: a WR gets 5 yards of separation, the QB throws a perfect ball from their own 30 yard line. Do you really think the DB wouldn't just tackle the WR before the ball gets to him so that the offense gets a 1st and 10 from their own 45 instead of a TD? Explosive plays would decrease dramatically.

Your idea would be great to make the NFL a lot shittier to watch, tbh.
The NFL is already terrible to watch. The 2 High defense being played by every team right now is a direct result of doing everything possible to avoid deep PI calls and big plays. And games are incredibly boring as a result.

College is way more entertaining and they do 15 yd PI calls.

And a receiver getting 5 yards of separation has already dusted his man so badly there’s no “tackling him to prevent a catch”. I know you’re used to watching unathletic midgets who are slower than fat baseball players in a sport where flopping is a key strategy, but do you not understand how big a gap 5 yards is in the NFL?

And there’s no guarantee that it would be a catch (ex: Desean Jackson, Wes Welker, etc). Again, don’t reward 50 yards for a theoretical catch.

[Millennial_Messiah]

because in 2019 that was a clusterfuck that made games too long and between covid and the challenging PIs from 2019 not even being that popular in the first place they just scrapped it for 2020 and never looked back.

I think they need to move the kickoffs back to the 25 yard line, keep the current/2024 positioning of the other special teams players, and teams should get rewarded for having a strong kicker, so the ball on regular touchbacks should come out to the 20 yard line like the peak NFL days... definitely not the 30, that short of a field is stupid... and if the ball lands in the landing zone they still have to return, and if the ball lands in the landing zone and goes into the endzone the return team either must return or the ball is spotted at their own 10 or maybe the 15. Reward good special teams, don't give the receiving team too unfair of an advantage, this is especially important in late game situations holding on to a slim lean. Don't penalize the team that scores a TD "too early" too hard.

[Will Hunting]

Imo there should be some bifurcated system where most PI calls are 15 yards max but the really blatant ones are spot fouls, but the refs would fuck that up somehow.

As to why they don’t make PI reviewable anymore, because when they made them reviewable the challenges rarely succeeded even when they should have. The refs or whoever was responsible for reviewing plays clearly wanted the system to fail and they did a great job sabotaging it.

[MultiTroll]

I don’t think there’s any scenario where it’s a good idea to reward a team with 50 free yards due to a theoretical catch. We saw the Ravens build an entire offense around “chuck it deep + wide receiver flops = free yardage”. Seems like Indy could try the same thing.
:) now if you could provide even one link of a Raven doing that.



If you don't want to get called for 50 yards, just don't interfere with the receiver as a defender. Simple as that.

Putting a limit to the amount of yards a defensive team can get penalized for PI will just motivate defensive backs to interfere on purpose to prevent bigger gains or clear TDs.

Imagine this situation: a WR gets 5 yards of separation, the QB throws a perfect ball from their own 30 yard line. Do you really think the DB wouldn't just tackle the WR before the ball gets to him so that the offense gets a 1st and 10 from their own 45 instead of a TD? Explosive plays would decrease dramatically.

Your idea would be great to make the NFL a lot shittier to watch, tbh.
This

[DAF86]

because in 2019 that was a clusterfuck that made games too long and between covid and the challenging PIs from 2019 not even being that popular in the first place they just scrapped it for 2020 and never looked back.

I think they need to move the kickoffs back to the 25 yard line, keep the current/2024 positioning of the other special teams players, and teams should get rewarded for having a strong kicker, so the ball on regular touchbacks should come out to the 20 yard line like the peak NFL days... definitely not the 30, that short of a field is stupid... and if the ball lands in the landing zone they still have to return, and if the ball lands in the landing zone and goes into the endzone the return team either must return or the ball is spotted at their own 10 or maybe the 15. Reward good special teams, don't give the receiving team too unfair of an advantage, this is especially important in late game situations holding on to a slim lean. Don't penalize the team that scores a TD "too early" too hard.


Imo there should be some bifurcated system where most PI calls are 15 yards max but the really blatant ones are spot fouls, but the refs would fuck that up somehow.

As to why they don’t make PI reviewable anymore, because when they made them reviewable the challenges rarely succeeded even when they should have. The refs or whoever was responsible for reviewing plays clearly wanted the system to fail and they did a great job sabotaging it.

Easy fix for that, just have the refs in the booth reverse those calls. Only the really blatant ones, the close calls stay as called on the field.

[Thanos]

:) now if you could provide even one link of a Raven doing that.
Sure! Here you go https://www.espn.com/blog/statsinfo/post/_/id/100967/flacco-is-master-of-drawing-interference

You have to be mentally challenged to not remember the entire “chuck it deep to Torrey Smith and watch him flop for a PI call” era.

Now don’t get me wrong, it takes skill to do this. You need a very specific QB who has a cannon arm while also being wildly inaccurate with his deeps balls, along with a Manu level flopper at WR. Flacco/Smith fit the bill perfectly.

I think Anthony Richardson/Adonai Mitchell could do a poor man’s version of this if they tried.

[Blake]

Sure! Here you go https://www.espn.com/blog/statsinfo/post/_/id/100967/flacco-is-master-of-drawing-interference

You have to be mentally challenged to not remember the entire “chuck it deep to Torrey Smith and watch him flop for a PI call” era.

Now don’t get me wrong, it takes skill to do this. You need a very specific QB who has a cannon arm while also being wildly inaccurate with his deeps balls, along with a Manu level flopper at WR. Flacco/Smith fit the bill perfectly.

I think Anthony Richardson/Adonai Mitchell could do a poor man’s version of this if they tried.

Lol

[MultiTroll]

Sure! Here you go https://www.espn.com/blog/statsinfo/post/_/id/100967/flacco-is-master-of-drawing-interference
I meant in this decade.
All i have seen is Joey Burrow and Lamar Jackson get F'd over by refs.
Not recipients of flop calls.

[Thanos]

I meant in this decade.
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[Thanos]

Also lol, ”in this decade”

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[MultiTroll]

Also lol, ”in this decade”

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1. a period of ten years.
"he taught at the university for nearly a decade"


No, you can't find a bunch of Lamar Jackson bombs being flopped into penalties.
7 years and you got nothing.

[Thanos]

“Show proof a Raven did this”

*gives proof

”No, I mean in this decade”

*it happened 9 years ago

”No, I mean prove Lamar Jackson did it”

:lmao

[Will Hunting]

No, you can't find a bunch of Lamar Jackson bombs being flopped into penalties.
7 years and you got nothing.
You’re so defensive about Lamar Jackson that you assumed he was talking about Lamar Jackson even though he never mentioned Lamar Jackson :lol

[Darth_Pelican]

They're not going to do it again. They made a mockery out of if after the Saints screwjob and the coaches and owners knew it. That's why it was discontinued.

[Thanos]

They're not going to do it again. They made a mockery out of if after the Saints screwjob and the coaches and owners knew it. That's why it was discontinued.
It is absolutely wild that NFL refs would rather just be blatantly wrong and roasted endlessly for it, than just admit they’re wrong in real time to fix the issue.

Which makes me think Fabbs would be a perfect fit as an NFL ref

[MultiTroll]

You’re so defensive about Lamar Jackson that you assumed he was talking about Lamar Jackson even though he never mentioned Lamar Jackson :lol
Yawn Strawman.
Fun watching y'all try to make up stuff about Jackson.

Meanwhile this is the kind of chit you embraced:

https://youtu.be/7FjV6LbGV2s

[DAF86]

Yawn Strawman.
Fun watching y'all try to make up stuff about Jackson.

Meanwhile this is the kind of chit you embraced:

https://youtu.be/7FjV6LbGV2s

":cry But the Chiefs get all the calls :cry"

[MultiTroll]

":cry But the Chiefs get all the calls :cry"
Ironic isn't it.
Against everyone but Brady. :lol

[Blake]

No, you can't find a bunch of Lamar Jackson bombs being flopped into penalties.
7 years and you got nothing.

Lol he averages like what, 12 pass attempts per game?

[MultiTroll]

Lol he averages like what, 12 pass attempts per game?
No that's dropped passes + bogus ref calls per game.

A look back at two time legit MVP Lamars early start.
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[MultiTroll]

":cry But the Chiefs get all the calls :cry"
Soo obvious even Gronk gets it.
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[DAF86]

Soo obvious even Gronk gets it.
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Former Pats players have the least moral ground to be bitching, tbh. :lol

[MultiTroll]

VIDEO: Social Media Is Convinced The NFL Refs “Rigged” Saints-Chiefs MNF Game After They Missed A Blatantly Obvious Call That Even Troy Aikman Thought Was Shady AF (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/video-social-media-is-convinced-the-nfl-refs-rigged-saints-chiefs-mnf-game-after-they-missed-a-blatantly-obvious-call-that-even-troy-aikman-thought-was-shady-af/ar-AA1rRMig?ocid=BingNewsSerp)

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Just as obvious and far more damaging to the Saints was the Mahomes bailout of Worthys offensive facemasking pass interference call and subsequent flop. Met up with ChiefsRef after the game.

[Blake]

VIDEO: Social Media Is Convinced The NFL Refs “Rigged” Saints-Chiefs MNF Game After They Missed A Blatantly Obvious Call That Even Troy Aikman Thought Was Shady AF (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/video-social-media-is-convinced-the-nfl-refs-rigged-saints-chiefs-mnf-game-after-they-missed-a-blatantly-obvious-call-that-even-troy-aikman-thought-was-shady-af/ar-AA1rRMig?ocid=BingNewsSerp)

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Just as obvious and far more damaging to the Saints was the Mahomes bailout of Worthys offensive facemasking pass interference call and subsequent flop. Met up with ChiefsRef after the game.

The game was already out of reach so it was wgaf.

[DAF86]

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Just as obvious and far more damaging to the Saints was the Mahomes bailout of Worthys offensive facemasking pass interference call and subsequent flop. Met up with ChiefsRef after the game.

So the refs helped the Chiefs by missing a call on garbage time? I thought they would do it in more useful ways, like calling this at the begining of the game, tbh.

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[MultiTroll]

-13 points with 2 minutes left is hardly insurmountable in todays NFL. Unlikely? Sure. Regardless....
Notice you two cherry pick my post and avoid like the plague:




Just as obvious and far more damaging to the Saints was the Mahomes bailout of Worthys offensive facemasking pass interference call and subsequent flop. Met up with ChiefsRef after the game.
You 2 Chiefs Sniffers definitely do NOT want to see a clear replay of the Worthy offensive facemask and push off.

The game was already out of reach so it was wgaf.


So the refs helped the Chiefs by missing a call on garbage time? I thought they would do it in more useful ways, like calling this at the begining of the game, tbh.

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Psssh looke like clear using stiff arm by #1 to gain separation. Follow #1s left arm and hand thruout the play.
After that the Saints db makes contact.
Good no call.

[Blake]

-13 points with 2 minutes left is hardly insurmountable in todays NFL. Unlikely? Sure. Regardless....
Notice you two cherry pick my post and avoid like the plague:


You 2 Chiefs Sniffers definitely do NOT want to see a clear replay of the Worthy offensive facemask and push off.



Psssh looke like clear using stiff arm by #1 to gain separation. Follow #1s left arm and hand thruout the play.
After that the Saints db makes contact.
Good no call.

Lol "good no call". You can't have it both ways, cherry picker.

[MultiTroll]

Lol "good no call". You can't have it both ways, cherry picker.
I can't have a No Call?

Why not?

[Blake]

I can't have a No Call?

Why not?

Because nobody will discuss anything with you any more. They'll just laugh

[DAF86]

I can't have a No Call?

Why not?

Because you are clesrly biased. You get controversial calls that go in favour of the Chiefs and you say they are "egregious", then dismissm conteoversial calls that go against the Chiefs and say it is the right call. Your bias is too evident. Most of the posters in this forum want the Chiefs to lose, yet they don't get in the same whinning boat as you, because it is ridiculous.

For the sake of argument, let's say you are right and that Worthy play was a correct non-call, if the refs are in the fix for the Chiefs why didn't they take that opportunity to call pass interferance anyways, since it was a close call and most people (including the commentators) thought it was PI? If the game was trully rigged, it seems like that would be a no-brainer chance to throw a flag in favour of the Chiefs, tbh.

[MultiTroll]

Because nobody will discuss anything with you any more. They'll just laugh
Blake folds.

[MultiTroll]

Because you are clesrly biased. You get controversial calls that go in favour of the Chiefs and you say they are "egregious", then dismissm conteoversial calls that go against the Chiefs and say it is the right call. Your bias is too evident. Most of the posters in this forum want the Chiefs to lose, yet they don't get in the same whinning boat as you, because it is ridiculous.

For the sake of argument, let's say you are right and that Worthy play was a correct non-call, if the refs are in the fix for the Chiefs why didn't they take that opportunity to call pass interferance anyways, since it was a close call and most people (including the commentators) thought it was PI? If the game was trully rigged, it seems like that would be a no-brainer chance to throw a flag in favour of the Chiefs, tbh.
What specific play(s) are talking about.
The Worthy facemask and stiff arm? I motion video be found and we can discuss. Unless the NFL has had it scrubbed from the INET. Or you and Blake are too afraid when faces with clear video angles.
The announcers are often extremely poor at identifying at all and b. correctly making the call afterwords.
I harken the Brady Buccs endzone toss of literally 15 yards from Antonio Brown being able to catch. Honey Badger rung up for PI

Completely outrageous and what did the announcer bitches have to say?

[Blake]

Blake folds.

I answered your question

[MultiTroll]

I answered your question
Now you're just making stuff up. Sounding like a chick.

[Blake]

I can't have a No Call?

Why not?


Because nobody will discuss anything with you any more. They'll just laugh

Sorry if the truth stings