Preseason Grades: Spurs vs. Magic - Oct. 9, 2024

[timvp]

https://www.spurstalk.com/grades-spurs-magic-2025-preseason-2/

[timtonymanu]

Thanks :tu.

Seeing Chris Paul's name in Spurs game grades is so surreal.

[heyheymymy]

Tobey: A

[John B]

Thanks Timvp. Start the kid already. Pop has experimented multiple line-ups with Castle playing 3, with Paul and Champagnie, or with Blake and Malaki. And he seems to fit seamlessly. If Barnes is not shooting, give that position to Castle. Our top 4 pick deserves to start.

I’ve always rooted for Blake and he’s started the Pre-Season playing well. His speed is really effeyin pushing the tempo. And his full-court defense is again on display. I think the team defense of Blake, Castle, Sochan and Wemby would be something the fans could be excited about. You can add Champ there too.

Minix is another guy I’ve been watching. The kid is not shy and he seems willing to work hard to earn a spot. The team can use his shooting.

Wemby was just rusty. He has the green light and shooters will shoot. He just needs to tighten some. Of course it’s the pre-season.

[Davidicus]

Castle is the real deal. 1-2 more years of playing NBA talent and taking thousands of shots = we have a stud on our hands.

[mudyez]

Castle is the real deal.

Thats exactly the words I can't get out of my mind during the last few hours.

[Dejounte]

The most anticipated pairing should be Vassell and Castle. Those two complement each other real well in theory. With Castle seemingly able to be a good enough shooter, there won’t be any weaknesses there.

[John B]

Castle is the real deal. 1-2 more years of playing NBA talent and taking thousands of shots = we have a stud on our hands.

Already Castle’s bullying himself to the free throw line. And he’s just gonna get stronger. It’s potentially Wemby, Castle and Vassell as our future big 3.

[onechance87]

Castle must get playing time asap.We may have to trade jones and other players to guarantee he gets his mins to develop.Cant see that if tre
and keldon and branham are getting mins as well.

[Mr. Body]

This was like Wemby's first Summer League game where he hadn't played competitive non-scrimmage ball in a while. He'll need to improve his shot diet overall, however -- I'm sure watching him play six years from now he'll be taking a very different set of looks most of the time.

[z0sa]

Thank God for Castle's play in this game. He looked outstanding compared to Monday (other than this dunk). Nailed a couple of 3s, got double digit FTA, had some heady passes and played decent D other than getting dunked on a time or two. He looked way better on the eye test as well overall than I imagined at this stage - glad to see it.

Wemby had a forgettable game but if even a couple more outside shots fall, this one's a blowout and against a pretty strong defensive-minded club who we should be punching up against, at least, using last season as a yardstick. Wemby needs to focus more on being that mid to low post anchor a la DRob. He should be relying less on 3s and over-dribbling or making fancy passes. Be that 23-10-3-3 guy and we'll win another title (eventually).

CP3 has tread, yeah, but we'll see how much of a balding tire has rubbed away by the ASB. I fear he may be running on fumes with the size of the role he's likely going to need for us to be play-in quality.

Barnes, as I'll continue to stress, is a glue guy. He's rarely going to be the one who is actively making plays from nothing but if we can get some chemistry built, he'll be invaluable in finishing and keeping everyone grounded.

Sochan finally looked comfortable, because he was doing what he always should have been - being a 4th option type who cleans up messes and finishes. His 3pter still looks ass but I liked his game last night much more than almost anything I saw last season outside of a couple outlier outings. He doesn't need an outsized role that's beyond his (current) capabilities. He doesn't need to be part of a new Big 3 going forward. He needs to be a Barnes-type who takes what he's given.

Wesley has absolutely lapped Branham if these two pre-season games are any indication. Love seeing it, because he's got more potential, especially defensively, than Branham ever will.

Cissoko looked better than in the first game but I still don't see an NBA player, at least, at this stage.

[tbdog]

On other news, who was the player on the side-line dressed like a spastic?

[The Truth #6]

I think it's going to be a Big 1, and hopefully we get some players who at least occasionally get All Star buzz.

Also, it's interesting what the best way to develop Castle will be moving forward.. and it's been only two preseason games so who the hell knows yet.. but for him to share the court with Chris Paul actually makes a lot of sense to me even if he's not actually playing point guard, castle that is.

[The Truth #6]

Castle must get playing time asap.We may have to trade jones and other players to guarantee he gets his mins to develop.Cant see that if tre
and keldon and branham are getting mins as well.

It looks like Castle is getting playing time so far. Pop seems to trust him a lot already. As for trading Jones, I'd hold off. He could easily be the backup next year behind Castle. No idea what will happen with CP yet moving forward. Or Blake, tbh. I'd love for Blake to improve past Tre but we aren't there yet.

[LeBowen]

It looks like Castle is getting playing time so far. Pop seems to trust him a lot already. As for trading Jones, I'd hold off. He could easily be the backup next year behind Castle. No idea what will happen with CP yet moving forward. Or Blake, tbh. I'd love for Blake to improve past Tre but we aren't there yet.

He's getting playing time, but don't forget that Devin, Tre and Keldon had DNPs.
Unless Pop does his thing again, there are simply no minutes available for Branham when everyone's healthy.
I guess we'll have to wait until the deadline to see what PATFO's plans are for point guard position.
Will Tre get an extension or get traded at the deadline? Does CP3 want to finish his career with the Spurs? (he's probably got one more year left after this one in that case)
Can Wesley become useful? Is Castle a point guard? (to me it looks like he'll be more than capable)

As for other positions, Keldon is quickly becoming redundant. Champagnie and Mamu's shooting (if they can sustain it) are way more useful than whatever Keldon does. And I'd argue that Mamu is a way more complete player offensively. He's got way better court vision than Keldon.
Imo, tiers as of right now:
Wemby
Devin, Barnes, CP3 (guaranteed starter minutes)
Jeremy, Keldon (based on tenure), Collins (because there's noone else), Castle
Those 8 will surely get minutes when everyone's healthy.
Champagnie looks like a no-brainer with his shooting, Mamu and Wesley have done well, Tre isn't a great player but is reliable and consistent, Branham is the odd man out.

Imo, players with higher ceiling need to play more if we're not aiming for a top10 seed.
If we are, then they should call Chicago and trade Keldon or Collins for Vucevic.

[Dejounte]

I think it's going to be a Big 1, and hopefully we get some players who at least occasionally get All Star buzz.

Also, it's interesting what the best way to develop Castle will be moving forward.. and it's been only two preseason games so who the hell knows yet.. but for him to share the court with Chris Paul actually makes a lot of sense to me even if he's not actually playing point guard, castle that is.

Sort of like how Tim Duncan was the big 1.

[MultiTroll]

"He figured out quickly that he just needs to throw the ball high to Wembanyama if he’s ever in doubt. It sounds simple but the Spurs struggled with that concept last season. "
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[TheChillFactor]

Imo, players with higher ceiling need to play more if we're not aiming for a top10 seed.
If we are, then they should call Chicago and trade Keldon or Collins for Vucevic.

JFC dude Vucevic is one of the most washed players in the league. He was a dinosaur even when he was "good".

Do you mean so they can upgrade and maybe we get their pick?

[LeBowen]

JFC dude Vucevic is one of the most washed players in the league. He was a dinosaur even when he was "good".

Do you mean so they can upgrade and maybe we get their pick?

He's still a couple of tiers above Collins and would be one of the better backup bigs in the league. They're on similar contracts.
Just an idea if PATFO actually want to get close to .500.
The biggest need we have in that case is a legit backup big. Wemby probably won't play more than ~32mpg and whenever he sat last season we were just atrocious.

[jjspur]

I was impressed with a few players, namely Mamu, Minix, Wesley, and Flynn. All are bench guys who helped us stay in the game and eventually get the lead and keep it.

Castle looks like a starter already. Yeah he's a rookie, but a damned good one. Give him more minutes.

I wasn't impressed with G-league Sidy, or Branham. Both still have a ways to go before they can be successful NBA players. Maybe Europe. I was also not impressed with Keldon's suit.

In a less important note, where was David Duke ? Has he been waived clearing up another 2 way spot ?

[spurraider21]

Sidy being as raw as he is shows how perplexing it was to draft him when he wasn’t 2-way eligible like Ingram or willing to be stashed like Nunez

[exstatic]

Castle is the real deal. 1-2 more years of playing NBA talent and taking thousands of shots = we have a stud on our hands.

If the shooting is for real, he’s going to be an all Star, a 6’6” Jrue Holiday.

Early in the game, he maintained contact with Banchero, allowing him to spin and score in an embarrassingly easy fashion. A quarter later, he baited Paulo into the same kind of spin on the baseline and literally ripped the ball out of his hands. Kid learns fast, and he will learn how to release contact, and just use a series of bumps to not allow the offensive player to know exactly where he is.

[exstatic]

Sidy being as raw as he is shows how perplexing it was to draft him when he wasn’t 2-way eligible like Ingram or willing to be stashed like Nunez

SRP = raw. If the Spurs hadn’t agreed to his requirements, he would have just gone back to Spain. Most of this year’s salary is guaranteed, but none of next year’s is. I expect him to return to Europe.

[exstatic]

Sort of like how Tim Duncan was the big 1.

That was a different financial climate. I’m not even sure that if there was a second apron back then that we could have kept Tony AND Manu, even with the discounts.

I think the new normal is that you are as good as your best player, in which case, we’re in the tall cotton. Number 2 and number 3 players won’t be as good as they were in the super team era.

[cutewizard]

Castle was the player of the game, he kept us floating in the first half, then his defense helped us get the lead in the second half

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1aZCwolRxo

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UVNfa39cAg

[The Truth #6]

Sidy could be a good 12th man to develop. But our talent level on average isn't there yet, so it will be an interesting dilemma. I sense his archetype is more interesting to the front office and coaches moving forward than Branham is right now. We'll see.

[exstatic]

Sidy could be a good 12th man to develop. But our talent level on average isn't there yet, so it will be an interesting dilemma. I sense his archetype is more interesting to the front office and coaches moving forward than Branham is right now. We'll see.

Sidy is just fucking terrible. He shot 8% from 3 last year in SA, and no, I didn’t omit a digit. Makes Sochan look like Curry.

They saw something that they thought they could mold or develop, but it just didn’t workout. Happens a lot with SRPs. It only cost one pick, and two years of NBA minimum salary if they cut him next summer like I expect.

He’s not even a good 15th man, which is his actual standing.

[spurraider21]

SRP = raw. If the Spurs hadn’t agreed to his requirements, he would have just gone back to Spain. Most of this year’s salary is guaranteed, but none of next year’s is. I expect him to return to Europe.
SRP doesn’t always equal raw. A lot of times it’s upperclassmen who don’t project to have high ceilings. If you are drafting one who is going to require a guaranteed nba contract it doesn’t make sense to draft the guy who is a year away from being a year away

[exstatic]

SRP doesn’t always equal raw. A lot of times it’s upperclassmen who don’t project to have high ceilings. If you are drafting one who is going to require a guaranteed nba contract it doesn’t make sense to draft the guy who is a year away from being a year away

It does if you think you see something. It’s not like a busted SRP is going to leave us high and dry.

[Dejounte]

Sidy is just fucking terrible. He shot 8% from 3 last year in SA, and no, I didn’t omit a digit. Makes Sochan look like Curry.

They saw something that they thought they could mold or develop, but it just didn’t workout. Happens a lot with SRPs. It only cost one pick, and two years of NBA minimum salary if they cut him next summer like I expect.

He’s not even a good 15th man, which is his actual standing.

You’re hyperfixated on his 3pt shooting. That’s not who he is right now. He’s a full year younger than Wesley who we’re now just giving a chance to stick. Sidy will have a bigger role than many can imagine in coming years.

[John B]

Another Boris is who they envisioned all these bigs to be, Sochan, Mamu, Sidy, a connector, who can defend the post and makes some outside shots. Mamu is the closest among the 3.

[exstatic]

You’re hyperfixated on his 3pt shooting. That’s not who he is right now. He’s a full year younger than Wesley who we’re now just giving a chance to stick. Sidy will have a bigger role than many can imagine in coming years.

He’s a big guy with a bit of handles in the open court, and that’s it. He can’t shoot from anywhere, including the FT line, and he’s pretty bad in half court sets. What they were looking for, they got in Castle.

[rjv]

a D+ for Wemby would be a B- for Collins. on a side note, someone needs to tell the Mo of the Wagner bros that the war with France is over.

[exstatic]

a D+ for Wemby would be a B- for Collins. on a side note, someone needs to tell the Mo of the Wagner bros that the war with France is over.

Mo is the Thannasis of the Wagner family.

[The Truth #6]

He’s a big guy with a bit of handles in the open court, and that’s it. He can’t shoot from anywhere, including the FT line, and he’s pretty bad in half court sets. What they were looking for, they got in Castle.

I don't think anyone is denying that he's a terrible shooter, but my point at least is that the head coach seems to like him, and his skills that he does seem to be good at, defense, defensive versatility, basketball iq, passing, is something that the team seems to be prioritizing in the players they select. So while he may suck in a lot of ways right now, I do think he'll will be on the team longer than Branham, for example.

[rankingtear]

Sidy is just fucking terrible. He shot 8% from 3 last year in SA, and no, I didn’t omit a digit. Makes Sochan look like Curry.

They saw something that they thought they could mold or develop, but it just didn’t workout. Happens a lot with SRPs. It only cost one pick, and two years of NBA minimum salary if they cut him next summer like I expect.

He’s not even a good 15th man, which is his actual standing.

Pop already confirmed in the post game presser that he would be on the team for a long time.

[exstatic]

Pop already confirmed in the post game presser that he would be on the team for a long time.
Anybody remember Keith Bogans, the Spurs defensive Centerpiece? How long did he last? It’s almost a kiss of death if Pop gives you lavish praise.

As I posted earlier, what they were looking for in Sidy, they found a 10X better version of in Castle. I’d honestly be shocked if SA doesn’t waive Sidy next summer before his guarantee date. He’s no better this summer than he was last summer, and that’s a bad thing.

[Joseph Kony]

:lol ST still thinks bums like Cissoko or Welsey will have a future here

[LeBowen]

As I posted earlier, what they were looking for in Sidy, they found a 10X better version of in Castle. I’d honestly be shocked if SA doesn’t waive Sidy next summer before his guarantee date. He’s no better this summer than he was last summer, and that’s a bad thing.

This is the last chance for most of the roster.
Sidy, Wesley, Branham, Mamu won't be on the roster in a year if they don't make major improvements.
Bassey has to prove he's still got working knees.
Collins is probably gone either way. Maybe he plays out his contract if he goes back to his 22-23 level.
Same goes for Keldon, he is what he is and we'll upgrade him at the first opportunity.
Tre is a known quantity, his fate will be decided by Wesley's development and CP3's plans.
Jeremy has to make some big improvements if he's going to be a long-term starter. Otherwise he'll just be the 8-10th man and everyone's favorite glue guy.
Even Devin has to prove he can stay healthy and be a legit second option.
Champagnie will surely stay until the end of his bargain contract in 2027 because he's got the most sought after skill, but he also has to prove he's worth more than $3M a year after that.

There won't be a lot of pressure to win games, but there certainly is pressure on most players on the roster to prove their worth.

[The Truth #6]

Anybody remember Keith Bogans, the Spurs defensive Centerpiece? How long did he last? It’s almost a kiss of death if Pop gives you lavish praise.

As I posted earlier, what they were looking for in Sidy, they found a 10X better version of in Castle. I’d honestly be shocked if SA doesn’t waive Sidy next summer before his guarantee date. He’s no better this summer than he was last summer, and that’s a bad thing.

I don't think it's so simple that they have Castle so Sidy becomes not needed. Rather, I think this is an archetype they like, they don't solely prioritize shooting, and if Castle continues to do well they will probably continue to look for more players like him, and give Sidy a long leash.

[Mr. Body]

The team can afford to have Cissoko for another couple of years. He's super cheap and he's the second youngest player on the team. I don't think he overlaps too much with Castle. They have similar skill sets - and Castle is simply better right now - but Cissoko is more of a wing while Castle imo is straight up an initiator who can play off-ball.

Cissoko is a smart player -- thumping the ball off the head of a player sprawled out of bounds is frankly not something every NBA player will know to do (it's true) -- he's a terrific passer, has defensive chops.

He's like Branham to me, who is completely different in his skill set. They're both worth working on due to their age and what happens if they hit. There's no rush right now.

[exstatic]

I don't think it's so simple that they have Castle so Sidy becomes not needed. Rather, I think this is an archetype they like, they don't solely prioritize shooting, and if Castle continues to do well they will probably continue to look for more players like him, and give Sidy a long leash.
SA has 5 and probably 6 FRPs in the next 3 drafts. No one who is a project, a late first or second has a long leash.

[timtonymanu]

:lol ST still thinks bums like Cissoko or Welsey will have a future here

Wesley’s defense seems legit but yes he desperately needs a jumpshot or he will be out of the league. Cissoko is a bum. Pop loves his scrubs that “try hard” in practice. People are already giving him the same excuses they did for that other scrub Branham. It’s okay Spurs fans. Not every late pick is Manu or Tony.

[Kevin]

If the Spurs are intent on keeping these picks and not trading for a star they have to have a churn and burn approach with picks like OKC. Guys get one season of unlimited suckage and then they have to start showing something or it's on to the next guy. Spurs just don't have the roster spots to give everyone three to four year to develop if they aren't legit rotation level players by the end of their second season.

[exstatic]

If the Spurs are intent on keeping these picks and not trading for a star they have to have a churn and burn approach with picks like OKC. Guys get one season of unlimited suckage and then they have to start showing something or it's on to the next guy. Spurs just don't have the roster spots to give everyone three to four year to develop if they aren't legit rotation level players by the end of their second season.

The problem is, with high picks, the guy is 19 more likely than not,and possibly 18. One or two years isn’t enough time to evaluate a lottery pick, or even a first rounder. FRPs are guaranteed for two years, but it’s really three, since the year 3 option must be picked up after the rookie season, when you hardly know anything.

Only second rounders can be discarded in the manner you suggest.

[The Truth #6]

SA has 5 and probably 6 FRPs in the next 3 drafts. No one who is a project, a late first or second has a long leash.

And they will probably trade a lot of those picks based on recent behavior.

[CorrectCrusader]

Noticed that too. Dude fell for a move ONCE and figured out how to stop it

[Joseph Kony]

Wesley’s defense seems legit but yes he desperately needs a jumpshot or he will be out of the league. Cissoko is a bum. Pop loves his scrubs that “try hard” in practice. People are already giving him the same excuses they did for that other scrub Branham. It’s okay Spurs fans. Not every second rounder is Manu or Tony.
i would love for Wesley to prove me wrong but this isn't 2005 anymore, can't get away with having a player (especially a fucking PG) that is a non-factor on offense and has zero touch at the rim. like I get the ST sniffers like him because :cry he gets after it on defense :cry but dude cant even make a fucking layup and gets blocked more than anyone ive ever seen :lol he's just another in a long line of scrubs over the years that ST thinks will magically become a good offensive player despite showing nothing at all to indicate that

[baseline bum]

:lol ST still thinks bums like Cissoko or Welsey will have a future here

Sadly I'm worried bum ass Bran Ham does have a future here. Not buying the sniffer logic of him being first guard off the bench only because they want to decide on guaranteeing his contract this month.

[exstatic]

And they will probably trade a lot of those picks based on recent behavior.

What? Because we traded one pick?

[timtonymanu]

i would love for Wesley to prove me wrong but this isn't 2005 anymore, can't get away with having a player (especially a fucking PG) that is a non-factor on offense and has zero touch at the rim. like I get the ST sniffers like him because :cry he gets after it on defense :cry but dude cant even make a fucking layup and gets blocked more than anyone ive ever seen :lol he's just another in a long line of scrubs over the years that ST thinks will magically become a good offensive player despite showing nothing at all to indicate that

You just have idiots like Mr. body that think having a strong defense is all we need. That’s why he’s like “lol dillingham wouldn’t fit here cause his defense sucks.” I don’t care about dillingham at this point but how can you look at this offensively challenged team and think all they need is defenders who can’t shoot for shit. Malaki can’t do either of that but gets the “oh he’s young, give him time,” excuse. And he still looks dogshit like he did last year.

Thank god Castle isn’t offensively challenged.

[spurraider21]

even IF all the 4th year options are picked up (open questions imo with respect to wesley and particularly branham), we would then have 11 guys under contract for next year, one of whom is Cidy whose contract is non-guaranteed. it also wouldnt be too difficult in theory to move an expiring Collins, and Keldon who would be going into the 2 cheapest years of his contract (owed only 17.5 per year in 25-26 and 26-27)

so its not that heavy of a roster crunch. if we got and used 3 FRPs, we'd also have room to sign 2 solid free agents without having to trade anybody away

[exstatic]

even IF all the 4th year options are picked up (open questions imo with respect to wesley and particularly branham), we would then have 11 guys under contract for next year, one of whom is Cidy whose contract is non-guaranteed. it also wouldnt be too difficult in theory to move an expiring Collins, and Keldon who would be going into the 2 cheapest years of his contract (owed only 17.5 per year in 25-26 and 26-27)

so its not that heavy of a roster crunch. if we got and used 3 FRPs, we'd also have room to sign 2 solid free agents without having to trade anybody away

That’s only one offseason, though. There are 3 more picks coming in the following two drafts, and that doesn’t include ANY second round picks kept for the foreseeable future.

[Russ]

Sadly I'm worried bum ass Bran Ham does have a future here. Not buying the sniffer logic of him being first guard off the bench only because they want to decide on guaranteeing his contract this month.

The interesting thing about Branham is that he's abandoned his bread and butter -- the mid-range jumper. He was actually pretty good at that.

Now he strictly shoots threes.

You wonder if that isn't mandated by the coaching staff, i.e., we know you can make the mid-range, you need to work on the threes and you're required to take every one you get.

[Mr. Body]

You just have idiots like Mr. body that think having a strong defense is all we need.

When did I say that? Lol. What a fuck-up you are.

[spurraider21]

That’s only one offseason, though. There are 3 more picks coming in the following two drafts, and that doesn’t include ANY second round picks kept for the foreseeable future.
sure but thats also more contracts expiring. before the 2026 offseason we will have Collins and Barnes expire, in addition to Wesley/Branham (assuming those options are picked up to begin with). and then in the 2026 offseason keldon would be an expiring deal we could dangle if he hadnt been traded yet.

i'm not that worried about roster crunch at this point, though i really hope they dont exercise branham's 4th year option and tbh still not certain about wesley but at least he's showing some improvement

[timtonymanu]

When did I say that? Lol. What a fuck-up you are.

Correction: versatile players in a strong defensive scheme.

Still proves my point because guys like Malaki and even Blake are anything but versatile players. Yet you defend them to the death. Looking forward to your many other shitty takes this year, Mrs. Body.

[Mr. Body]

Correction: versatile players in a strong defensive scheme.

Still proves my point because guys like Malaki and even Blake are anything but versatile players. Yet you defend them to the death. Looking forward to your many other shitty takes this year, Mrs. Body.

I mean, where do you get versatile players? Do you think they hatch out of eggs? Like you go to the versatile hatch-em-out-of-eggs store?

[timtonymanu]

I mean, where do you get versatile players? Do you think they hatch out of eggs? Like you go to the versatile hatch-em-out-of-eggs store?

You're the idiot that said that statement. So you tell me WHERE to find these versatile players if Dillingham wasn't enough to your standards.

[The Truth #6]

What? Because we traded one pick?

Or because they favor continuity and not making radical changes.

[exstatic]

Or because they favor continuity and not making radical changes.

Did you even read the post you quoted? He said they’d probably trade most of the picks (radical action) and I asked why, because they traded one?

Your reply is nonsensical in that context.

[gambit1990]

cool knowing the majority of ST will fold now that they’ll appreciate how good cp3 is.

despite him being a million years old.

[gambit1990]

many can hate on cp3’s antics.

but never forget this: the spurs chose brent barry over tony parker as soon as they were able to.

[spurraider21]

the spurs chose brent barry over tony parker as soon as they were able to.

Erin Barry did the opposite

[The Truth #6]

Did you even read the post you quoted? He said they’d probably trade most of the picks (radical action) and I asked why, because they traded one?

Your reply is nonsensical in that context.

I've been responding to you after you quoted me in regards to your belief that Sidy has no chance to stay on the team. Not sure who the other person is you are referring to, or what quote.

[rankingtear]

Wesley and Branham are both scheme dependent. The drive and kick offense they are running in the second unit favors first step guys. Branham having no traditional big to run ball screens with gotta factor on his evaluation this preseason. I just don't think they are going to run 2 different offense in the regular season.

[heyheymymy]

on a side note, someone needs to tell the Mo of the Wagner bros that the war with France is over.


Mo is the Thannasis of the Wagner family.

lol

[heyheymymy]

Cissoko is a smart player -- thumping the ball off the head of a player sprawled out of bounds is frankly not something every NBA player will know to do (it's true) .

haha that was such a heads up play

reminded me of when Wesley played the inbounds pass off of the opponents turned back (Luka D? I think), retrieved it and drove for a layup or dunk. Happened last season. I was like hey this kid is alright.

[John B]

And they will probably trade a lot of those picks based on recent behavior.

Agree. I’d be disappointed if they didn’t use any of those FRP’s to lure an All-Star player wanting to ride Wemby’s tailcoats. Spurs is very small at 4, and Markkanen would’ve been great. I always liked Jaren Jackson Jr, if Ja continues to misbehave.

[exstatic]

SA has 5 and probably 6 FRPs in the next 3 drafts. No one who is a project, a late first or second has a long leash.


And they will probably trade a lot of those picks based on recent behavior.


What? Because we traded one pick?


Or because they favor continuity and not making radical changes.


Did you even read the post you quoted? He said they’d probably trade most of the picks (radical action) and I asked why, because they traded one?

Your reply is nonsensical in that context.


I've been responding to you after you quoted me in regards to your belief that Sidy has no chance to stay on the team. Not sure who the other person is you are referring to, or what quote.

That makes even less sense. I thought it was someone else because the bolded pieces are diametrically opposed in the same discussion string.

Let’s forget about that for a bit and circle back to the earlier part of the discussion. What makes you think they will trade a lot of those picks? Specifically. Recent, or even long term Spurs transactions wouldn’t suggest that. Are you basing it JUST on trading #8 last year?

[Dejounte]

Picks aren’t players. There is no continuity loss when picks are traded. Are you serious with this question?

Just give up, Truth. Ex is known for his rigid way of thinking and cares little else than historical percentages that drives him to be wrong time and time again.

[Pauleta14]

many can hate on cp3’s antics.

but never forget this: the spurs chose brent barry over tony parker as soon as they were able to.

What makes you think that?

TP wasn't aiming for a FO role, he had a team in France to take care of and diff other businesses in europe.

Look, I'm not a fan of TP, he's cringe in so many ways, but in the end we don't know much about what happened behind the scenes.

[cutewizard]

Sidy could be a good 12th man to develop. But our talent level on average isn't there yet, so it will be an interesting dilemma. I sense his archetype is more interesting to the front office and coaches moving forward than Branham is right now. We'll see.


Do you think he can develop an outside shot

[Brazil]

Erin Barry did the opposite

:lol tbh...

[The Truth #6]

Do you think he can develop an outside shot

Definitely not off to a good start! It looks bad. Yet, Pop seems to like him and I can see why, to some degree.

[Ice009]

What makes you think that?

TP wasn't aiming for a FO role, he had a team in France to take care of and diff other businesses in europe.

Look, I'm not a fan of TP, he's cringe in so many ways, but in the end we don't know much about what happened behind the scenes.

I wasn't the hugest TP fan, but I did like him. I guess I always took the Pop approach with him and got on him when he messed up more than someone like Manu or TD, but that is also because I thought he could do better. I don't think TP is as bad of a person as some people make him out to be. I used to think he's a bit arrogant, but I don't think I was correct on that as I do recall a French fan or two saying he's not and he's a decent guy most of the time.

[SpurSpike]

Sidy's passing and size are too intriguing not to continue development. Especially in Pops system where he wants players passing the ball to find better shots.

[spurraider21]

Sidy's passing and size are too intriguing not to continue development. Especially in Pops system where he wants players passing the ball to find better shots.
whether he sticks around will be based on 2 things, what he shows this season by way of growth/development, and what we are able to do during the offseason.

his contract for next year is non-guaranteed. 500k of it guarantees on August 1, well after free agency/draft/trade frenzy would be over. if we need the roster spot or the cap clearance, he can be unceremoniously cut.

there's intrigue with him for sure, but he seems a ways away from being an nba rotation player.

[gambit1990]

Erin Barry did the opposite
:lol

[gambit1990]

What makes you think that?

TP wasn't aiming for a FO role, he had a team in France to take care of and diff other businesses in europe.

Look, I'm not a fan of TP, he's cringe in so many ways, but in the end we don't know much about what happened behind the scenes.
tp3 going to charlotte says enough tbh.

[exstatic]

tp3 going to charlotte says enough tbh.

Player Brent Barry was long gone by then. Supposedly, the Spurs wanted Tony to stay, and offered him equal money, but he wasn’t feeling a reserve role. Too bad, because that was the year DJ blew out his knee,and Tony would have started anyway.

[gambit1990]

Player Brent Barry was long gone by then. Supposedly, the Spurs wanted Tony to stay, and offered him equal money, but he wasn’t feeling a reserve role. Too bad, because that was the year DJ blew out his knee,and Tony would have started anyway.
point being that the spurs were fine with letting him go.

also: tony signed with CHA in 2018. spurs hired brent barry to be VP the same year.

[RC_Drunkford]

That makes even less sense. I thought it was someone else because the bolded pieces are diametrically opposed in the same discussion string.

Let’s forget about that for a bit and circle back to the earlier part of the discussion. What makes you think they will trade a lot of those picks? Specifically. Recent, or even long term Spurs transactions wouldn’t suggest that. Are you basing it JUST on trading #8 last year?

ain't you the same guy who said the Spurs would never draft 3 first round picks in the same year because they don't have enough personell to develop them?

[exstatic]

ain't you the same guy who said the Spurs would never draft 3 first round picks in the same year because they don't have enough personell to develop them?

And then did I turn around and say they would two posts later? It’s not the same thing.

I wasn’t in favor, and supposedly they tried to trade, but got no takers. Shit happens.

Everyone has some misses, but this guy is just weird.

[Pauleta14]

I wasn't the hugest TP fan, but I did like him. I guess I always took the Pop approach with him and got on him when he messed up more than someone like Manu or TD, but that is also because I thought he could do better. I don't think TP is as bad of a person as some people make him out to be. I used to think he's a bit arrogant, but I don't think I was correct on that as I do recall a French fan or two saying he's not and he's a decent guy most of the time.

I don't think TP is a bad person either, I think he lacks a lot of emotional and social intelligence, probably bc he's been so focued on himself and his goals since a very young age.

In the end he's an overachiever when u remember he came into the league as a PG wo can't pass or shoot (:lol). I'm in awe on the career he had tbh

Now again, we don't know the real facts as much for the Barry situation nor the way he ended his story with the Spurs, the devil is always in the details, 2 sides of a coin etc

[Pauleta14]

tp3 going to charlotte says enough tbh.

I could be wrong, but I saw it as TP wanting to keep being a starter with an important role and probably a inability or unwillingness to mentor Murray

Cp3 was quite honest about his motivations to keep balling too. I believe a lot of player care about their playing time and role more than extending their career as much as possible.

[dn0774]

Regarding Tony Parker, I was wondering if he is still with/around the Spurs in any capacity these days? I know I have seen interviews and interactions with him about Wemby, just wondering if TP and the Spurs are still on good terms overall. Also, how about Timmy? I saw him in the draft night war room clip a couple months ago so I figured he is still with the Spurs in some way, what is his capacity these days as well?

[rankingtear]

Regarding Tony Parker, I was wondering if he is still with/around the Spurs in any capacity these days? I know I have seen interviews and interactions with him about Wemby, just wondering if TP and the Spurs are still on good terms overall. Also, how about Timmy? I saw him in the draft night war room clip a couple months ago so I figured he is still with the Spurs in some way, what is his capacity these days as well?

He was there during Salaun workout in the practice facility.

[spurs10]

Erin Barry did the opposite Brent had an affair with an intern and she divorced him, end of story. Had nothing to do with TP. She's a class act.