coach breaksdown gamefilm spurs vs mavs

[playblair]

@1:14 its the question non pop sniffers have been asking for 5 + years........watching videos of politics :donkey isnt basketball practice


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMvnrGCXwy4

[scott]

Watching this does raise a question for me... how much of this is on what the coaching staff is teaching/directing, and how much of it is on low IQ players not doing what they are supposed to?

[DPG21920]

Watching this does raise a question for me... how much of this is on what the coaching staff is teaching/directing, and how much of it is on low IQ players not doing what they are supposed to?

Honestly - feels like the latter. I say this because the system last couple years has been a lot of transition and making decisions on the fly and guys have…..to put it nicely: Not made the best decisions.

[RC_Drunkford]

it's on coaching period because if the players are that stupid the coach has to hold them accountable and Gregg doesn't do that

[exstatic]

it's on coaching period because if the players are that stupid the coach has to hold them accountable and Gregg doesn't do that

How are you supposed to hold some stupid accountable?

[Leetonidas]

How are you supposed to hold some stupid accountable?

Stop giving them unconditional and undeserved minutes on the floor

[exstatic]

Honestly - feels like the latter. I say this because the system last couple years has been a lot of transition and making decisions on the fly and guys have…..to put it nicely: Not made the best decisions.

I remember on one of the telecasts Sean recounted a conversation he had with Pop, asking him why they didn’t run a certain play any more. Pop said the players weren’t capable of running it. It was too complicated.

You can’t tear down the house and expect a new one to appear in its place overnight, This youthful inexperience is why the Spurs were reluctant to tear it all down, and why they tried the LMA/Derozan pairing.

[exstatic]

Stop giving them unconditional and undeserved minutes on the floor

It’s all of them. Do you forfeit the game for lack of experienced players to put on the floor?

[spurraider21]

It’s all of them. Do you forfeit the game for lack of experienced players to put on the floor?
sign of great roster building when all the players are stupid

[exstatic]

sign of great roster building when all the players are stupid

That’s what happens when you burn the team to the ground. It takes YEARS to rebuild the cohesive smart roster.

[exstatic]

sign of great roster building when all the players are stupid

And they’re not stupid, just inexperienced.

[Chomag]

Any other coach of any major sport would have been fired by now with not producing results for so long

[GAustex]

Once pop is gone things will begin to get better

[scott]

Any other coach of any major sport would have been fired by now with not producing results for so long

This can't not be repeated or overstated enough.

No other coach in any sport would be given this length of rope, but ours is the highest paid in the league. Not even Bill Belichick got this amount of leeway.

[OldMan88]

Temperature of the frying pan’s a little high for the first regular season game maybe ��

[TDomination]

Any other coach of any major sport would have been fired by now with not producing results for so long
Yup
imagine pop starting in 2019. He would have definitely been fired by now.
his past has kept him on board

[spursparker9]

But...but....Pop is great at taking players to team dinners, teaching them about stuff other than basketball, and basically a great life coach

[objective]

Uh oh, that video ended with shaming DPOY Legend Stephon Castle. How dare that commentator!

[poopbox]

I remember on one of the telecasts Sean recounted a conversation he had with Pop, asking him why they didn’t run a certain play any more. Pop said the players weren’t capable of running it. It was too complicated.

You can’t tear down the house and expect a new one to appear in its place overnight, This youthful inexperience is why the Spurs were reluctant to tear it all down, and why they tried the LMA/Derozan pairing.

If I was Sean my next question would have been "well aren't you some mensa level teacher Pop? Why can't you break it down enough for them to understand it."

It most definitely wasn't the players fault that Sochan ended up on an island to many times guarding Luka and got cooked. That is 100% coaching. That is 100% Sochan being told you guarding Luka and we not sending much help, which is exceptionally bad coaching. But it's not surprising, because if you are someone who knows X's and O's of basketball, then you fully understand that Pop is quite possibly the worst coach in the entire nba, and has been for at least 3 years.

[Ice009]

Uh oh, that video ended with shaming DPOY Legend Stephon Castle. How dare that commentator!

I take it you don't like Stephon Castle much?

[objective]

I take it you don't like Stephon Castle much?

Was he my favorite in the draft? No. Do I think he should be getting 30 minutes a game? Yes.

Just poking fun at how some fans were convinced he walks into the league as an elite top of the league defender.

[Ice009]

OK, cool. All good if he wasn't your top pick, I was just curious as to your thoughts on him. Who did you prefer?

[BackHome]

If Pop gets us a top 5 pick with our pick and Atlanta gives us a top 10 pick Pop will go down as a Legend

[J_Paco]

Any other coach of any major sport would have been fired by now with not producing results for so long

That's a lie.

Davey Martinez is going on 6 years since the Washington Nationals won a World Series, gutted their roster (losing multiple All-Stars), hasn't had a winning seasons since and is still gainfully employed.

And he doesn't have nearly the hardware and accolades of a top 5 greatest coach in his sport.

Also, like exstatic said it takes years and reps to build a great offensive and defensive unit. Hopefully having a guy like CP3 around and on the court can expedite that a bit, but these are the inevitable growing pains of 'rebuilding' that everyone wanted when DeMar and LaMarcus were here.

[MultiTroll]

I remember on one of the telecasts Sean recounted a conversation he had with Pop, asking him why they didn’t run a certain play any more. Pop said the players weren’t capable of running it. It was too complicated.

You can’t tear down the house and expect a new one to appear in its place overnight, This youthful inexperience is why the Spurs were reluctant to tear it all down, and why they tried the LMA/Derozan pairing.
The guy who implemented Sochan at pg for 40 games is saying some other hairbrained strategy he comes up with is "too complicated for the young players."

Cool story.

[Ice009]

The guy who implemented Sochan at pg for 40 games is saying some other hairbrained strategy he comes up with is "too complicated for the young players."

Cool story.

I heard Sean Elliott say it during the broadcast of one of the games. Can't remember if it was last year or the year before.

[MultiTroll]

I heard Sean Elliott say it during the broadcast of one of the games. Can't remember if it was last year or the year before.
Oh i believe you.
I'm scoffing at the content and Pop, not your posting of the info.

[RC_Drunkford]

I remember on one of the telecasts Sean recounted a conversation he had with Pop, asking him why they didn’t run a certain play any more. Pop said the players weren’t capable of running it. It was too complicated.

You can’t tear down the house and expect a new one to appear in its place overnight, This youthful inexperience is why the Spurs were reluctant to tear it all down, and why they tried the LMA/Derozan pairing.

that's funny since they value culture and high basketball IQ so much according to you sniffers. Yet most of them don't have any.

[Joseph Kony]

I remember on one of the telecasts Sean recounted a conversation he had with Pop, asking him why they didn’t run a certain play any more. Pop said the players weren’t capable of running it. It was too complicated.

You can’t tear down the house and expect a new one to appear in its place overnight, This youthful inexperience is why the Spurs were reluctant to tear it all down, and why they tried the LMA/Derozan pairing.
overnight? it's been 5 fucking years of not sniffing the playoffs :lol

such a supreme sniffer level take excusing shitty roster construction and shitty coaching

[widowmaker]

The dude kept on saying “what do the spurs do during practice?” Its basketball not fucking rocket science, how stupid can they be to not know the game that they have been playing for 3/4 of their lives? Coaching has a lot to do with it there isn’t any guidance being given.

[J_Paco]

The guy who implemented Sochan at pg for 40 games is saying some other hairbrained strategy he comes up with is "too complicated for the young players."

Cool story.

No dummy.

He was saying that their former Motion offense was too complex to implement with such a young, inexperienced team as last year's.

Obviously, with two adequate PG's on the roster and a bunch of guys that can do some secondary ball handling (plus the teams overall good passing) that shouldn't be the case anymore.

People on here do realize the Spurs were the second youngest team in the league last year, right? And that they had only one viable option at PG (which was a huge fail on management's part) to try and play an extremely complex offense.

The Spurs didn't have a Rondo, LeBron, Jokic level basketball savant to lean on last season. Again, that was a failure of management and Pop, but getting upset that a young, inexperienced team couldn't play an offense that was built around smart, veteran players (and tons of player/team chemistry) is silly.

[objective]

OK, cool. All good if he wasn't your top pick, I was just curious as to your thoughts on him. Who did you prefer?

Sheppard #1 easy, but he was off the board and not realistic to even trade up for in retrospect

I liked Holland among available players. Castle has been better than I thought.

[J_Paco]

Just in case someone tries to retort my post with the usual 'Pop Sniffer Blah Blah' BS, I didn't like the team getting away from ball movement and playing a smart, multifaceted offense.

I know everyone complains about guess not 'getting Wemby the ball enough,' but just as annoying was seeing him go one-on-one instead swing the ball and setting a screen (or being involved in more dribble handoff action).

If the team wants to get back to being an elite offense - especially with a lack of three-point shooting and individual shot creation - then ball and body movement is gonna be key.

[MultiTroll]

He was saying that their former Motion offense was too complex to implement with such a young, inexperienced team as last year's.
But Pop did think a young, inexperienced team was able to process a Sochan at pg for 40 games?

[J_Paco]

But Pop did think a young, inexperienced team was able to process a Sochan at pg for 40 games?

No, he was trying to stupidly experiment to see if Sochan can/could handle a perimeter/ball handling role.

It was a dumb idea that should've been left for off-season training/runs & Summer League.

[ambchang]

Pop was looking for a motion offence.
Motion offence require multiple high IQ primary and secondary ball handlers.
Putting sochan there can potentially expedite to at process and moving him to a future secondary ball handler role.

Not saying it’s doable, especially in retrospect, but without the benefit of hindsight it seems perfectly logical, especially when there was nothing to play for last year but experiment.

It failed spectacularly but I still believe, over the long run, it helped sochans processing speed