Coach Pop Takes us to church this Sunday- please kneel.

[Spurs Homer]

Here is Coach Pop dropping more truth nukes than Hiroshima and Nagasaki combined...
and for those Spurs fans/whiners who will whine and moan and say "pop should stick to blah-blah"
here is a heartfelt message for you: GFY!

In anyone can point out JUST ONE THING - that is inaccurate in this entire sermon - please make a fool of yourself and point it out.

If only americans had 1/10th of this mans intellect and/or compassion and or courage...


https://youtu.be/-R89b7hBZKo?si=sc5dsTR6LPKgC8Mo

[SouthernFried]

You just can't fix stupid and it's not worth the effort.

[Limguogolo]

And yet, Pop says all this in one of the states most committed to Trump's cause.

For the Texans on this forum, is there anything specific to San Antonio though? Is the population more likely to vote Democratic than the rest of the state's population?

In the meantime, populism is ahead almost everywhere in the world. If Trump wins, the USA will experience either fascism or a new civil war. In France and everywhere else in Europe (even in Israel which has already given the keys to power to the fascists), we are also on the verge of tipping over (we have even experienced a form of mini coup d'état in France with a president refusing to recognize the winners of the last election and appoint a PM with 5% of the votes; and in Georgia, thanks to good old fraud at the polls, we are moving towards Russia...).

(Out of bound section anyway...)

[Pauleta14]

Populism isn't the excusivity of Trump or the republicans anymore.

The democrats and Kamala have become masters at it.

The irony and hypocrisy of Pop (and his followers) is hillarious. Do what I say, not what I do lmao

[Big Empty]

Ha he isnt wrong. Trumps gonna win though and in 4 years, when we’re appeoaching 45 trillion in debt and inflation is just as bad or worse. Just remember since 2001, all the administrations are responsible for adding 35 trillion in 25 years. Anyways, enough politics GO SPURS!

[KingKev]

For my American pals it could be worse: you could have Justin Trudeau.

[Pauleta14]

Ha he isnt wrong. Trumps gonna win though and in 4 years, when we’re appeoaching 45 trillion in debt and inflation is just as bad or worse. Just remember since 2001, all the administrations are responsible for adding 35 trillion in 25 years. Anyways, enough politics GO SPURS!

It's not really close between both parties on who spent the most... :lol

Not a fan of his but trump didn't go to war at least. The dems on the other hand are on the verge of starting WW3 but it's the left so they're the good guys... :lol

[FutureMan]

It's not really close between both parties on who spent the most... :lol

Not a fan of his but trump didn't go to war at least. The dems on the other hand are on the verge of starting WW3 but it's the left so they're the good guys... :lol


Death, Taxes, Spurs basketball, and Chaos in the Middle East. To think any party or person is going to stop the Middle East from doing what it’s done for thousands of years is unequivocally stupid.

[Pauleta14]

Death, Taxes, Spurs basketball, and Chaos in the Middle East. To think any party or person is going to stop the Middle East from doing what it’s done for thousands of years is unequivocally stupid.

Of course.


But I wasn't reffering just to the middle east, both parties have been bought by Israel anyway so US policy won't change much overthere whoever wins.

what the Dems did and are doing with Ukraine/Russia is far more dangerous and Kamala is even more under influance of lobbists than Trump ever was.

Be my guest on who's the scariest. I have no idea

Same mess in every countries, Lobbies are the ones controling our politicians everywhere.

[bigfan]

Best coach in NBA history and a patriot.

[playblair]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kTCu1TGzgk

[some_user86]

Pop spitting the truth.

[some_user86]

And yet, Pop says all this in one of the states most committed to Trump's cause.

For the Texans on this forum, is there anything specific to San Antonio though? Is the population more likely to vote Democratic than the rest of the state's population?

In the meantime, populism is ahead almost everywhere in the world. If Trump wins, the USA will experience either fascism or a new civil war. In France and everywhere else in Europe (even in Israel which has already given the keys to power to the fascists), we are also on the verge of tipping over (we have even experienced a form of mini coup d'état in France with a president refusing to recognize the winners of the last election and appoint a PM with 5% of the votes; and in Georgia, thanks to good old fraud at the polls, we are moving towards Russia...).

(Out of bound section anyway...)

The cities in Texas vote Democratic. We are just a very, very large state with tons of rural areas that swamp out the city votes. But times are a-changing.

[exstatic]

You just can't fix stupid and it's not worth the effort.

Translate: I have no reply.

[ambchang]

I will never understand when people say trump has great policies and plans. Like what did he do? What is his plans for a great economy? I still haven’t heard any type of plan whatsoever. And in his four years the world economy was booming and it was riding off of it.

People love to talk about how how republican policies help grow the economy, fact is he USs share or global GDP went from the low 30s /high 20s (%) to the low 20s during dubyas reign. The bounce back to mid 20s under Obama. Stayed stable with almost no change under trump (+0.4%) and then went up by 2% under Harris. Policy impacts usually don’t take shape until a year to 18 months after a political party took over and these ebbs and flows were consistent to that trend. When the republicans take over the share of global GDP falls a year or so after, and when the dems take over it starts to increase a year or so after. Yet people talked about trump making America great again, when numbers have shown that he did nothing on that front at best, and clearly ripped the country in half politically. It boggles my mind how anyone can support him, it’s comical.

[BackHome]

You can say the exact same thing for Harris/Biden only major difference is those two are partly responsible for the Genocide in the Middle East. Just once I would like a reporter to ask him his thoughts on that and also the Russia and Ukraine War.

[dbestpro]

From a business perspective, he damages the brand because people on the left and right buy tickets and merchandise. I expect more military events to try and balance the effect. This is what the Spurs have done in the past when Pop talks beyond basketball in a basketball setting.

[LongtimeSpursFan]

You can say the exact same thing for Harris/Biden only major difference is those two are partly responsible for the Genocide in the Middle East. Just once I would like a reporter to ask him his thoughts on that and also the Russia and Ukraine War.


https://youtu.be/zxEn84u7Akk?si=m1Gp8HIwBsaynCs0

[baseline bum]

It's not really close between both parties on who spent the most... :lol

Not a fan of his but trump didn't go to war at least. The dems on the other hand are on the verge of starting WW3 but it's the left so they're the good guys... :lol

Are you fucking retarded? Every time the GOP gets in power they blow up the deficit by giving tax cuts to the rich. Every single time.

[scott]

I encourage Pop (please, for the love of God) to retire from basketball and focus on politics.

[scott]

Are you fucking retarded? Every time the GOP gets in power they blow up the deficit by giving tax cuts to the rich. Every single time.

The greatest trick the devil ever played was convincing R-voters that their party gives a fuck about the deficit or the economy.

[baseline bum]

It boggles my mind how anyone can support him, it’s comical.

Because he's a white supremacist. Same thing this country has used since the beginning to get white people to vote against their own economic self interest. I don't get how hating black people and Mexicans is going to increase my salary, make healthcare more affordable, make education better and cheaper, make my drug prices go down, or any other thing that will make my life any better but as a white man tRUmP bEiNG 4 teH wH1teS hItS mE r1GHt iN teH feElz.

[scott]

Because he's a white supremacist. Same thing this country has used since the beginning to get white people to vote against their own economic self interest. I don't get how hating black people and Mexicans is going to increase my salary, make healthcare more affordable, make education better and cheaper, make my drug prices go down, or any other thing that will make my life any better but tRUmP bEiNG 4 teH wH1teS hItS m3 r1GHt iN teH feElz.

It's because the white moocher class feels like their economic shortcomings are the result of being crowded out by non-whites, instead of the reality that it's because of their lack of skills, education, or basic social skills. Somewhere in Alabama there is a meth-addicted high school drop out with a confederate flag tattooed on his neck thinking that the only thing standing between him and a mid-level management job at a Fortune 500 company is some minority who got the job instead.

[tim_duncan_fan]

I will never understand when people say trump has great policies and plans. Like what did he do? What is his plans for a great economy? I still haven’t heard any type of plan whatsoever. And in his four years the world economy was booming and it was riding off of it.

People love to talk about how how republican policies help grow the economy, fact is he USs share or global GDP went from the low 30s /high 20s (%) to the low 20s during dubyas reign. The bounce back to mid 20s under Obama. Stayed stable with almost no change under trump (+0.4%) and then went up by 2% under Harris. Policy impacts usually don’t take shape until a year to 18 months after a political party took over and these ebbs and flows were consistent to that trend. When the republicans take over the share of global GDP falls a year or so after, and when the dems take over it starts to increase a year or so after. Yet people talked about trump making America great again, when numbers have shown that he did nothing on that front at best, and clearly ripped the country in half politically. It boggles my mind how anyone can support him, it’s comical.

They don't think he has great policies. They just think he is racist, and that's enough for them. Looking down on others can be an opiate for feelings of dissatisfaction with self, and utilizing that opiate has been, and always will be, the lifeline of "conservatism." It doesn't matter to the conservative voter that U.S. politicians won't improve his life. What matters to conservative voter is that the politicians provide an "other" for him to hate as a distraction from his own shortcomings.


We will ALL be better off when people start talking about this behavior as it is without sugar-coating.

[scott]

It's not really close between both parties on who spent the most... :lol

Not a fan of his but trump didn't go to war at least. The dems on the other hand are on the verge of starting WW3 but it's the left so they're the good guys... :lol

Government Expenditures as a % of GDP Since 1980:

Team A President: 21.05%
Team B President: 20.73%

US Budget Surplus or Deficit (-) as a % of GDP Since 1980:

Team A President: -3.92%
Team B President: -3.77%

Fascinating, however, that if you look at the Deficit as a % of GDP since 1980, under every D President, the deficit has shrunk during their term (or turned into a surplus) and under every single R President the deficit has gotten larger.

Believing that the GOP is the party of fiscal conservatism is akin to believing in the easter bunny.

[Pauleta14]

Are you fucking retarded? Every time the GOP gets in power they blow up the deficit by giving tax cuts to the rich. Every single time.

I'm not defending any party bro, they're both as corupted, just under different influences that in the end leads the the same type of spending/deficit.

The cost of war is tough to match tho and tbh I wasn't refferring it for its cost but for the (relative) peaceful era in the world during Trump's administration. As weird as the dude is, he kept the world safe with his weird PR.

I'm not american and don't have a side really, I just find it hard to understand how any intelligent person would take any side other than by default. Both are fucked up

Unwittingly (I think he's a decent man who thinks he's doing the right thing) Pop is dividing ppl using his plateform to insult one side and by extention a huge part of the (US) Spurs fans who haven't asked anything else than enjoying their basetball team to take a break from this crazy world we live in.

If there's one thing that would've been worth doing in his position it's to federate ppl and remind them we have more that unites us than divides us.

[baseline bum]

You just can't fix stupid and it's not worth the effort.

^ case in point

[Pauleta14]

Government Expenditures as a % of GDP Since 1980:

Team A President: 21.05%
Team B President: 20.73%

I was talking in recent history bro with the basic knowledge of the INSANE daily cost of wars.

If you compare the last 2 administrations, it's just not close.

[baseline bum]

I'm not defending any party bro, they're both as corupted, just under different influences that in the end leads the the same type of spending/deficit.

The cost of war is tough to match tho and tbh I wasn't refferring it for its cost but for the (relative) peaceful era in the world during Trump's administration. As weird as the dude is, he kept the world safe with his weird PR.

I'm not american and don't have a side really, I just find it hard to understand how any intelligent person would take any side other than by default. Both are fucked up

Unwittingly (I think he's a decent man who thinks he's doing the right thing) Pop is dividing ppl using his plateform to insult one side and by extention a huge part of the (US) Spurs fans who haven't asked anything else than enjoying their basetball team to take a break from this crazy world we live in.

If there's one thing that would've been worth doing in his position it's to federate ppl and remind them we have more that unites us than divides us.

Get the fuck out of here, Trump tried to start war with Iran by assassinating Soleimani.

[KGB POP]

It's because the white moocher class feels like their economic shortcomings are the result of being crowded out by non-whites, instead of the reality that it's because of their lack of skills, education, or basic social skills. Somewhere in Alabama there is a meth-addicted high school drop out with a confederate flag tattooed on his neck thinking that the only thing standing between him and a mid-level management job at a Fortune 500 company is some minority who got the job instead.

Long-time lurker. This is the shallowest most team blue list of cliches like ever. "Meth-addicted high school drop out." " Confederate flag". Geez, even Ta-Nahisi Coates would be embarrassed by those cliches. I'm sure all those Kamala supporters in Alamo Heights and King William are in favor of a Bernie Sanders plan for wealth distribution. Get real. The Dems are the party of the white professional class. This is classic divide and conquer. Trump is a fool and a fraud but the Dems are not the good guys. Those Alabama people are voting for Trump because people are irrational and emotional and are scared. Trump surely won't help them, but the other side are just a bunch of "mind readers" who can look into those rednecks non-existent souls and tell them why they are voting the way they are voting. Trump IS a con-man and won't help them but you guys are so unlikeable.

[KingKev]

I encourage Pop (please, for the love of God) to retire from basketball and focus on politics.

hahah I sit center right but Pop would actually be a pretty damn good Politician for the Dems and America.

[baseline bum]

Long-time lurker. This is the shallowest most team blue list of cliches like ever. "Meth-addicted high school drop out." " Confederate flag". Geez, even Ta-Nahisi Coates would be embarrassed by those cliches. I'm sure all those Kamala supporters in Alamo Heights and King William are in favor of a Bernie Sanders plan for wealth distribution. Get real. The Dems are the party of the white professional class. This is classic divide and conquer. Trump is a fool and a fraud but the Dems are not the good guys. Those Alabama people are voting for Trump because people are irrational and emotional and are scared. Trump surely won't help them, but the other side are just a bunch of "mind readers" who can look into those rednecks non-existent souls and tell them why they are voting the way they are voting. Trump IS a con-man and won't help them but you guys are so unlikeable.

Always cracks me up when these Trump voters list immigration as the biggest or second biggest concern but then they vote for a guy who hires illegals. It's white supremacy, same as it ever was in the confederacy.

[Dex]

Trump is a fucking idiot and it's obvious to anybody who listens to him speak.

I'm not saying Harris or Biden are/were great options, either.

The system is broken, and that's what worries me the most about the future of America.

[scott]

I was talking in recent history bro with the basic knowledge of the INSANE daily cost of wars.

If you compare the last 2 administrations, it's just not close.

The United States has spent 0.35% of it's GDP from 2022-24 on the Ukraine War.

FYE 2016 before Trump took office, the US Budget Deficit was 3.13% of GDP.

FYE 2020 before Trump left office, the US Budget Deficit was 14.71% of GDP, and had increased every since year he was in office.

FYE 2023, the US Budget Deficit had reduced back down to 6.28% of GDP.

This is not a new trend.

Reagan inherited a 2.64% deficit relative to GDP, left 3.01% (after blowing it up 5% from 1983-1986).

Bush I inherited 3.01%, left 4.52%.

Clinton inherited 4.52%, left with a 2.33% SURPLUS.

Bush I inherited a 2.33% Surplus, left a 9.76% deficit.

Obama inherited a 9.76% deficit, left with a 3.13% deficit.

Trump inherited 3.13%, left with 14.71% deficit.

If you want to talk strictly expenditures:

2016, the year before Trump took office, Gov Spending was 20.48% of GDP
2020, the last year Trump was in office: Gov Spending was 30.69% of GDP
2023, the last year of available data: Gov Spending was 22.13% of GDP

These facts are all available for free on the internet.

[z0sa]

Only the gullible who need to be led by the nose and believe literally anything their right wing echo chambers tell them vote for Trump. if you spread your news sources around literally at all, like a real non-russian bot citizen should be doing, you'll see Trump is figuratively and literally full of shit.

:cry ;muh election was stolen but I have absolutely zero proof! absolutely, positively, zero'
:cry 'I need presidential immunity from my SCOTUS friends to remain out of prison'
:lol 'at least i have a country full of rubes to pay my legal bills'

[scott]

Long-time lurker. This is the shallowest most team blue list of cliches like ever. "Meth-addicted high school drop out." " Confederate flag". Geez, even Ta-Nahisi Coates would be embarrassed by those cliches. I'm sure all those Kamala supporters in Alamo Heights and King William are in favor of a Bernie Sanders plan for wealth distribution. Get real. The Dems are the party of the white professional class. This is classic divide and conquer. Trump is a fool and a fraud but the Dems are not the good guys. Those Alabama people are voting for Trump because people are irrational and emotional and are scared. Trump surely won't help them, but the other side are just a bunch of "mind readers" who can look into those rednecks non-existent souls and tell them why they are voting the way they are voting. Trump IS a con-man and won't help them but you guys are so unlikeable.

Trust me, I can provide equally as blistering stereotypical critiques of Dem voters as well - but they aren't the ones currently running a racist grifter.

[scott]

hahah I sit center right but Pop would actually be a pretty damn good Politician for the Dems and America.

Politics aside, I hope we can all agree that Pop should retire and focus on something, literally anything, else.

[scott]

Only the gullible who need to be led by the nose and believe literally anything their right wing echo chambers tell them vote for Trump. if you spread your news sources around literally at all, like a real non-russian bot citizen should be doing, you'll see Trump is figuratively and literally full of shit.

:cry ;muh election was stolen but I have absolutely zero proof! absolutely, positively, zero'
:cry 'I need presidential immunity from my SCOTUS friends to remain out of prison'
:lol 'at least i have a country full of rubes to pay my legal bills'

:cry muh guy hires all the best people but is so unlucky that all these people who used to work for him hate him
:cry muh billionaire hero needs help paying his legal bills

[Pauleta14]

Get the fuck out of here, Trump tried to start war with Iran by assassinating Soleimani.

Probably, I'm just talking about waht actually happened + in case I wasn't I'm not a fan of the guy, he's a lunatic. That's not a reason to become blind at the oppsite side

[scott]

I'm not defending any party bro, they're both as corupted, just under different influences that in the end leads the the same type of spending/deficit.

The cost of war is tough to match tho and tbh I wasn't refferring it for its cost but for the (relative) peaceful era in the world during Trump's administration. As weird as the dude is, he kept the world safe with his weird PR.

I'm not american and don't have a side really, I just find it hard to understand how any intelligent person would take any side other than by default. Both are fucked up

Unwittingly (I think he's a decent man who thinks he's doing the right thing) Pop is dividing ppl using his plateform to insult one side and by extention a huge part of the (US) Spurs fans who haven't asked anything else than enjoying their basetball team to take a break from this crazy world we live in.

If there's one thing that would've been worth doing in his position it's to federate ppl and remind them we have more that unites us than divides us.

Trump's peace strategy in Ukraine is appeasement. Interesting to see a modern Frenchmen seemingly fascinated by this strategy.

Also, I don't know what "the cost of ware is tough... but I'm not talking about it's cost" is supposed to mean.

[Pauleta14]

The United States has spent 0.35% of it's GDP from 2022-24 on the Ukraine War.

FYE 2016 before Trump took office, the US Budget Deficit was 3.13% of GDP.

FYE 2020 before Trump left office, the US Budget Deficit was 14.71% of GDP, and had increased every since year he was in office.

FYE 2023, the US Budget Deficit had reduced back down to 6.28% of GDP.

This is not a new trend.

Reagan inherited a 2.64% deficit relative to GDP, left 3.01% (after blowing it up 5% from 1983-1986).

Bush I inherited 3.01%, left 4.52%.

Clinton inherited 4.52%, left with a 2.33% SURPLUS.

Bush I inherited a 2.33% Surplus, left a 9.76% deficit.

Obama inherited a 9.76% deficit, left with a 3.13% deficit.

Trump inherited 3.13%, left with 14.71% deficit.

If you want to talk strictly expenditures:

2016, the year before Trump took office, Gov Spending was 20.48% of GDP
2020, the last year Trump was in office: Gov Spending was 30.69% of GDP
2023, the last year of available data: Gov Spending was 22.13% of GDP

These facts are all available for free on the internet.

Thanks. I retract my "it's not close"

FYI again, I'm not advcating for Trump, I just find the opp camp almost scarier on different topics, espacially Ukraine and Israel. Even if for the latter I suspect Trump to have the same line than Kamala even if he's smart enough not to say it explicitly.

[scott]

There are actually two reasons to vote for Trump, and I actually have some amount of respect for people who are willing to just admit them:

1) you're a high income individual and all you care about is paying lower taxes. This also makes you a myopic, selfish prick, but at least you're honest about it
2) you're into the idea of some dystopian Gilead-like future and this moves us closer to that. This also makes you a piece of shit human, but at least you're honest about it

Any attempt to justify support for Trump based on economic grounds, or because you believe in the rule of law (lol), etc. are so quickly undermined by Trump's policies and positions, you can't expect to be taken seriously.

[Pauleta14]

Trump's peace strategy in Ukraine is appeasement. Interesting to see a modern Frenchmen seemingly fascinated by this strategy.

Also, I don't know what "the cost of ware is tough... but I'm not talking about it's cost" is supposed to mean.

Bro you need to chill ... :lol

I'm not fascinated at any point by either side, I'm disgusted by both

I get it, you have a camp, me not being in your doesn't mean I belong to the opposite ffs

[scott]

Thanks. I retract my "it's not close"

FYI again, I'm not advcating for Trump, I just find the opp camp almost scarier on different topics, espacially Ukraine and Israel. Even if for the latter I suspect Trump to have the same line than Kamala even if he's smart enough not to say it explicitly.

Trump's position on Ukraine will be to let Putin have it, and his position on Israel will be to encourage, allow, and perhaps even help Bibi to complete the genocide of any non-Israeli Jew in the region. He's effectively said all of these things publicly.

[Pauleta14]

Trump's peace strategy in Ukraine is appeasement. Interesting to see a modern Frenchmen seemingly fascinated by this strategy.

Also, I don't know what "the cost of ware is tough... but I'm not talking about it's cost" is supposed to mean.

My initial point wasn't econic, I also added "tho" which implies it wasn't my initial point.

[baseline bum]

Probably, I'm just talking about waht actually happened + in case I wasn't I'm not a fan of the guy, he's a lunatic. That's not a reason to become blind at the oppsite side

In the US basically only the Trump voters pull this bothsides bullshit. No one is being blind to how shit the Democrats are. They're a right wing party that's the US equivalent to the Tories. Doesn't mean I'm not going to vote for them when the GOP is the US equivalent to the Nazis. Anyone who rants about voting third party doesn't understand the two party system is enshrined in the US constitution by the way the president is elected.

[scott]

Bro you need to chill ... :lol

I'm not fascinated at any point by either side, I'm disgusted by both

I get it, you have a camp, me not being in your doesn't mean I belong to the opposite ffs

You're the one talking about how you're against the cost (but not the cost, whatever that means) of supporting Ukraine against Russia. The alternative is appeasement. What other option do you see? I suppose there is the US and NATO engaging in an all-out invasion of Russia... but I don't think that will go too well for anyone.

[Pauleta14]

There are actually two reasons to vote for Trump, and I actually have some amount of respect for people who are willing to just admit them:

1) you're a high income individual and all you care about is paying lower taxes. This also makes you a myopic, selfish prick, but at least you're honest about it
2) you're into the idea of some dystopian Gilead-like future and this moves us closer to that. This also makes you a piece of shit human, but at least you're honest about it

Any attempt to justify support for Trump based on economic grounds, or because you believe in the rule of law (lol), etc. are so quickly undermined by Trump's policies and positions, you can't expect to be taken seriously.


I think you need to forget rationality. 99% of voters are lead by fear and vote against more than for a candidate.

You're in the minority, remember that

[scott]

In the US basically only the Trump voters pull this bothsides bullshit. No one is being blind to how shit the Democrats are. They're a right wing party that's the US equivalent to the Tories. Doesn't mean I'm not going to vote for them when the GOP is the US equivalent to the Nazis. Anyone who rants about voting third party doesn't understand the two party system is enshrined in the US constitution by the way the president is elected.

100%.

Since I've been old enough to vote, with only two exceptions, every vote has been cast as a "lesser of two evils" vote.

Clinton, nor Biden nor Harris aren't the folks I'd choose if the Dem party asked my opinion, but it's such a no-brainer against Trump that it doesn't require a lot of critical analysis.

[scott]

I think you need to forget rationality. 99% of voters are lead by fear and vote against more than for a candidate.

You're in the minority, remember that

Oh for sure... I always operate under the assumption that 90% of people are complete morons, no matter the topic (this website is a great example)

[Pauleta14]

You're the one talking about how you're against the cost (but not the cost, whatever that means) of supporting Ukraine against Russia. The alternative is appeasement. What other option do you see? I suppose there is the US and NATO engaging in an all-out invasion of Russia... but I don't think that will go too well for anyone.

I'm not american and don't have a horse in the race, my position is more in terms of impact the US and the future administration will have on the world.

As for the Ukrainian and Israeli conflicts, I'm not here saying I know what to do etc but I know that one party is currently A LOT MORE under the imfluence of the "military/war" lobby than the other. You know how much lobbists are the real puppeteers.

My country has the same problems but maybe worst bc we don't have as strong of a consititution as yours and France has been lead by lobbists for years now. Macron was one of them and doesn't come from a political background

Dpn't tell me Kamala inspires hope and peace to you, she'll be played left and right

[scott]

I'm not american and don't have a horse in the race, my position is more in terms of impact the US and the future administration will have on the world.

As for the Ukrainian and Israeli conflicts, I'm not here saying I know what to do etc but I know that one party is currently A LOT MORE under the imfluence of the "military/war" lobby than the other. You know how much lobbists are the real puppeteers.

My country has the same problems but maybe worst bc we don't have as strong of a consititution as yours and France has been lead by lobbists for years now. Macron was one of them and doesn't come from a political background

Dpn't tell me Kamala inspires hope and peace to you, she'll be played left and right

I agree disagree. I think the Ukraine conflict is one of the "easiest" in terms of taking a side. You're either with Ukraine or you're with appeasement of a dictator engaged in an eastern European land-grab in an attempt to restore what Russia views as "theirs" in the former USSR. It's a pretty easy choice for me.

Israel is a much more complicated matter where, in the US, there seems to only be two extreme sides when in reality it's a much more complicated and nuanced situation that neither side wants to budge on. I see these things far less driven by the "war lobby" than previous conflicts we've been involved in (like Iraq, for example).

You can say one party is a lot more under the influence of the military/war lobby than the other... but the other is clearly under the influence (all the way down to being flat out paid by them) by Pro-Russia interests. You have right wing commentators quite literally being paid by Russia and getting fed talking points.

As for Kamala being played... maybe we can forecast that, but we've already seen and experienced how Trump gets played by other world leaders, specifically our adversaries. The Trump/Putin press conference will go down in history as the most glaring example of American cowardice I've ever seen.

[LeBowen]

Tbh, in 2024 Democrats are just your run of the mill corrupted, semi-incompetent politicians.
Republicans have turned into pure evil and a mockery of everything right wing values stand for. Current GOP absolutely needs to be abolished and anyone who doesn't have direct personal gain voting for them is a braindead moron.

[scott]

Tbh, in 2024 Democrats are just your run of the mill corrupted, semi-incompetent politicians.
Republicans have turned into pure evil and a mockery of everything right wing values stand for. Current GOP absolutely needs to be abolished and anyone who doesn't have direct personal gain voting for them is a braindead moron.

Only took 3 pages, but you pretty much perfectly summed it up.

[8FOR!3]

This thread is just one giant brainwashed echo chamber

[Pauleta14]

I agree disagree. I think the Ukraine conflict is one of the "easiest" in terms of taking a side. You're either with Ukraine or you're with appeasement of a dictator engaged in an eastern European land-grab in an attempt to restore what Russia views as "theirs" in the former USSR. It's a pretty easy choice for me.

Israel is a much more complicated matter where, in the US, there seems to only be two extreme sides when in reality it's a much more complicated and nuanced situation that neither side wants to budge on. I see these things far less driven by the "war lobby" than previous conflicts we've been involved in (like Iraq, for example).

You can say one party is a lot more under the influence of the military/war lobby than the other... but the other is clearly under the influence (all the way down to being flat out paid by them) by Pro-Russia interests. You have right wing commentators quite literally being paid by Russia and getting fed talking points.

As for Kamala being played... maybe we can forecast that, but we've already seen and experienced how Trump gets played by other world leaders, specifically our adversaries. The Trump/Putin press conference will go down in history as the most glaring example of American cowardice I've ever seen.

I disagree ^^

The Russo-Ukrainian conflics is a lot more complex to me, the more I learn about it, the more I listen to both (reasonable) sides the more it's difficult to take a side.

The israel issue is a lot simplier SHORT TERM, I'm not talking about finding a solution to end the conflict but about decent humanity and horrors that humanity has never witnessed live before. There a eal ugency there even more than in Ukraine and solutions that aren't difficult to find bc they already exist!!

Someone just need to tell Isreal to respect international laws and decent humanity

A side effect that pisses me off personnaly is how this conflict increases and creates anti semitisicm unnecessarilly. So much can be avoided fast and easy

[BackHome]

Kamala all ready folding just look at her campaigning with Freaking Liz Cheney you know it must be getting desperate for her to be doing this with one of the most War Mongering Republican families in our lifetime. The amount of blood on there hands from past and current Wars is staggering as it is obvious they under the control of the mighty Military Complex.

[Pauleta14]

You can say one party is a lot more under the influence of the military/war lobby than the other... but the other is clearly under the influence (all the way down to being flat out paid by them) by Pro-Russia interests. You have right wing commentators quite literally being paid by Russia and getting fed talking points.

As for Kamala being played... maybe we can forecast that, but we've already seen and experienced how Trump gets played by other world leaders, specifically our adversaries. The Trump/Putin press conference will go down in history as the most glaring example of American cowardice I've ever seen.

I totally agree, also Trump is getting older and will be even more manipulable and has a lot of very angry ppl in his camp (both candidates have tbf)

I could be wrong but Kamala scares the shit out of me, she's too dumb, too incompetent, she has no backbone etc and her vice president looks completely nuts!! They're going to do some stupid shit

[diego]

I'm not american and don't have a horse in the race, my position is more in terms of impact the US and the future administration will have on the world.

As for the Ukrainian and Israeli conflicts, I'm not here saying I know what to do etc but I know that one party is currently A LOT MORE under the imfluence of the "military/war" lobby than the other. You know how much lobbists are the real puppeteers.

My country has the same problems but maybe worst bc we don't have as strong of a consititution as yours and France has been lead by lobbists for years now. Macron was one of them and doesn't come from a political background

Dpn't tell me Kamala inspires hope and peace to you, she'll be played left and right

You're crazy if you think trump is any less of a warmonger than Harris. In fact the current situation in Israel is a direct result of him.emboldening Israel to be more aggressive with settlers, and he has said if heneere president he'd encourage Israel to go all out (granted it's hard to picture how much further out they can actually go).

The idea of trump as the peace president / immune to lobby president is laughable, yet another con

[Pauleta14]

Tbh, in 2024 Democrats are just your run of the mill corrupted, semi-incompetent politicians.
Republicans have turned into pure evil and a mockery of everything right wing values stand for. Current GOP absolutely needs to be abolished and anyone who doesn't have direct personal gain voting for them is a braindead moron.

One side (republicans) looks scarier ... at first.

But in the end? Corruption and incompetences can be way more damaging for a country

Fucked up era we live in tbh :lol

[CGD]

How is this thread only at 3 pages since this morning?! You guys are slacking AF.

[LeBowen]

One side (republicans) looks scarier ... at first.

But in the end? Corruption and incompetences can be way more damaging for a country

Fucked up era we live in tbh :lol

What made you think that Republicans aren't corrupt? Their current form is just a level above regular corruption.
Almost every goverment is corrupt in one way or another, it's in human nature.
Republicans are getting to comic book villain levels of corruption.

I'm personally a nihilist and I don't see how humanity gets back on track.
Enjoying the stuff I like doing, like following basketball, is all there is to do until the inevitable doomsday.

Idk why I even posted in this topic, I avoid politics talk like plague.
Everyone who wastes time on politics and has no direct benefits from it is just wasting their life away.

[SayTown]

From a business perspective, he damages the brand because people on the left and right buy tickets and merchandise. I expect more military events to try and balance the effect. This is what the Spurs have done in the past when Pop talks beyond basketball in a basketball setting.

From polls 25% of Spurs fans say they are Republican which is about the average of the rest of the NBA. It's still a significant amount of fans though but no doubt Pop wouldn't be able to say this if he was an NFL coach.

[benefactor]

Tbh, in 2024 Democrats are just your run of the mill corrupted, semi-incompetent politicians.
Republicans have turned into pure evil and a mockery of everything right wing values stand for. Current GOP absolutely needs to be abolished and anyone who doesn't have direct personal gain voting for them is a braindead moron.
It still boggles my mind to this day that the party of family values that chased around Clinton for getting his dick sucked has unashamedly hitched its wagon to the poster boy for sexual assault.

[Spurs Homer]

Still havent seen ONE thing that Pop said that was inaccurate?

NOT ONE THING.

So with that- anyone who is “undecided” and/or are voting for a felon rapist traitor-

is just not on the side of the usa or usa democracy.

Someone else pointed out two “justifiable” reasons for voting for trump and he was spot on- especially the one about if you are rich and only care about taxes- then although you are a pos- at least your reasoning is clear…

I’ll add another one:
If you are a white supremacist supporter or a russian-
then yes i can see your reasons for voting for trump- again- you are a pos but your reason is clear.

[tim_duncan_fan]

This is the result of normalizing conservative shit:

https://www.reddit.com/r/TikTokCringe/s/sE93SlD5p6

[Pauleta14]

What made you think that Republicans aren't corrupt? Their current form is just a level above regular corruption.
Almost every goverment is corrupt in one way or another, it's in human nature.
Republicans are getting to comic book villain levels of corruption.

I'm personally a nihilist and I don't see how humanity gets back on track.
Enjoying the stuff I like doing, like following basketball, is all there is to do until the inevitable doomsday.

Idk why I even posted in this topic, I avoid politics talk like plague.
Everyone who wastes time on politics and has no direct benefits from it is just wasting their life away.

I don't. I was just using the description he made of the democrats.

Can I ask you your age?

It seems more an more in the younger generation are becoming nihilists

You can't miss or deny the beauty of humanity, it just happen that fear changes the whole behavior of even the smartests ppl.

[baseline bum]

It still boggles my mind to this day that the party of family values that chased around Clinton for getting his dick sucked has unashamedly hitched its wagon to the poster boy for sexual assault.

It boggles your mind that family values stemming from a church created specifically in support of slavery (namely the Southern Baptists) are a load of horseshit?

[Pauleta14]

You're crazy if you think trump is any less of a warmonger than Harris. In fact the current situation in Israel is a direct result of him.emboldening Israel to be more aggressive with settlers, and he has said if heneere president he'd encourage Israel to go all out (granted it's hard to picture how much further out they can actually go).

The idea of trump as the peace president / immune to lobby president is laughable, yet another con

I have no idea of either intentions. They're both diff kind of nuts

I just compared facts, one administration that was the only one that didn't start a war in multiple decades and another that started and financed 2 massives ones.

[baseline bum]

I have no idea of either intentions. They're both diff kind of nuts

I just compared facts, one administration that was the only one that didn't start a war in multiple decades and another that started and financed 2 massives ones.

So assassinating Soleimani wasn't an act of war? And just give Ukraine to Russia, fuck them?

[koriwhat]

It still boggles my mind to this day that the party of family values that chased around Clinton for getting his dick sucked has unashamedly hitched its wagon to the poster boy for sexual assault.

If you're going to say what you said then put all the details out for everyone to read through.

Clinton lied straight to our faces in a televised presentation. He did what he did in the White House and not outside of it as a civilian only. You claiming he just got a blow job and it was nothing isn't exactly what happened but sugar coating everything to run cover for the left is what you goons are good at.

[koriwhat]

Btw, Yall say I ruin the forum but dumb fuck mentally ill SpursHomer can't keep his insane thoughts strictly to the "political forum" so now he comes up here to garner more views. :lmao

[Pauleta14]

So assassinating Soleimani wasn't an act of war? And just give Ukraine to Russia, fuck them?

1st why do u keep acting as if I was defending Trump? I just gave a comparison/facts

2nd, yes Trump did some fucked up stuff but none that lead to wars and by extention hundreds of thousands of innocent collateral victims.

As I said before I'm not american, my only pov is on the impact of the US administration in the world.

[GAustex]

That Maganificant Orange Bastard is living rent free in ya’lls and that senile bitch pop’s head.

[koriwhat]

1st why do u keep acting as if I was defending Trump? I just gave a comparison/facts

Because regressives don't live in reality. Anything against their dogma and you're all of a sudden a Trumper, even if you're not American and not in the USA. :lol

[tim_duncan_fan]

Pretending not to identify with Trump, for what? No one is fooled lol

[koriwhat]

Pretending not to identify with Trump, for what? No one is fooled lol

What exactly do you mean by "identifying with Trump"? Like, do I see him as some sort of savior? Do I idolize him? What?

I just don't agree with anything to do with the defunct dem party of commies. I grew up and was basically ushered into that shit party and that shit party left myself and many millions behind and continue to do so to this day with their ludicrous agenda they push.

Just because you're in a cult doesn't mean I'm in one. I bet you used to sit there and watch Home Alone 2, as a kid, and wish you could shake hands with Trump. :lol

[spurs10]

Death, Taxes, Spurs basketball, and Chaos in the Middle East. To think any party or person is going to stop the Middle East from doing what it’s done for thousands of years is unequivocally stupid. Agree wholeheartedly, not to mention 5xs as many Americans died under Trump than Biden. And the 13 Americans who died in the withdrawal in Afghanistan were "sitting ducks" after Trump freed 5000 Taliban killers and pulled most of our troops. 4Xs that died under his watch in that country alone. Yeah Biden invented the conflict in the Middle East.... As for Putin's invasion of Ukraine, Trump's fealty to Putin is internationally known by everyone who watched him in Helsinki. That's the weakest display by an American president to our adversary in our history.

[tim_duncan_fan]

What exactly do you mean by "identifying with Trump"? Like, do I see him as some sort of savior? Do I idolize him? What?

I just don't agree with anything to do with the defunct dem party of commies. I grew up and was basically ushered into that shit party and that shit party left myself and many millions behind and continue to do so to this day with their ludicrous agenda they push.

Just because you're in a cult doesn't mean I'm in one. I bet you used to sit there and watch Home Alone 2, as a kid, and wish you could shake hands with Trump. :lol

Identify as in you want to be him and want to connect with him and you connect him to yourself. To you, you and Trump are similar (he wouldn't see it that way).
You're on a sports forum and yet your assumed identity is about Trump. You weren't some democrat that got "left" by that useless center-right party. Someone in right-wing TV/internet taught you to parrot that phraseology. You simply are into white nationalism and misogyny and have Trump as your favorite celebrity.

No need to pretend it's something other than that. As I said, it's transparent. It's 4chan Poster 101.

[koriwhat]

Identify as in you want to be him and want to connect with him and you connect him to yourself. To you, you and Trump are similar (he wouldn't see it that way).
You're on a sports forum and yet your assumed identity is about Trump. You weren't some democrat that got "left" by that useless center-right party. Someone in right-wing TV/internet taught you to parrot that phraseology. You simply are into white nationalism and misogyny and have Trump as your favorite celebrity.

No need to pretend it's something other than that. As I said, it's transparent. It's 4chan Poster 101.

Yeah, not in the least. I don't identify with Trump whatsoever considering we are way different people with way different up bringing. I don't care to know or get to know the dude either. I am in no way similar to Trump and do not think that in the least.

I also don't give a fuck for celebrities and I am so far from a white nationalist, or in your mind a white supremacist, nor a misogynist. Talk about parroting... :lmao

Last, I don't have an account nor visit 4chan and never will. Bet you can't say the same.

Stay mad that we aren't all baby back bitches like you and the rest of the cult you're in. :tu

[baseline bum]

1st why do u keep acting as if I was defending Trump? I just gave a comparison/facts

2nd, yes Trump did some fucked up stuff but none that lead to wars and by extention hundreds of thousands of innocent collateral victims.

As I said before I'm not american, my only pov is on the impact of the US administration in the world.

So fuck Ukraine is what you're saying?

[tim_duncan_fan]

Gottem dead to rights. What's a baby back bitch, by the way?

[koriwhat]

Gottem dead to rights. What's a baby back bitch, by the way?

You're dumb as fuck bro. Go cry, to someone that cares, that everyone around you is a trumper, white nationalist, misogynist, or whatever other silly shit you dumb fuck regressives "parrot". :tu

[koriwhat]

So fuck Ukraine is what you're saying?

Fuck Ukraine!

[tim_duncan_fan]

You're dumb as fuck bro. Go cry, to someone that cares, that everyone around you is a trumper, white nationalist, misogynist, or whatever other silly shit you dumb fuck regressives "parrot". :tu

You are dude, and that's fine. It's very normal (normalized) to act like you.

[Pauleta14]

So fuck Ukraine is what you're saying?

Are you going to over simplify every points I make? :lol

I never said nothing wrong happened under Trump's adm, I said it's not close to be comparable.

Hey it used to be the reps who used to start wars all the time, dems just went "hold my beer"...

[koriwhat]

You are dude, and that's fine. It's very normal (normalized) to act like you.

It's hilarious how yall regressives don't like labels but yall label everyone not in your death cult. :lmao

What's your handle on 4chan? :lmao

[Dejounte]

Are you going to over simplify every points I make? :lol

I never said nothing wrong happened under Trump's adm, I said it's not close to be comparable.

Hey it used to be the reps who used to start wars all the time, dems just went "hold my beer"...

How does Russia attacking Ukraine equate to “America’s dems started it”?

[benefactor]

It boggles your mind that family values stemming from a church created specifically in support of slavery (namely the Southern Baptists) are a load of horseshit?
Touche:lol

[baseline bum]

Are you going to over simplify every points I make? :lol

I never said nothing wrong happened under Trump's adm, I said it's not close to be comparable.

Hey it used to be the reps who used to start wars all the time, dems just went "hold my beer"...

Should the US let Russia take Ukraine, should the US fight a cold war against Russia (as they're currently doing), or should the US fight a hot war against Russia? Those are the only three options. Pick one and stop ducking the fucking question.

[Pauleta14]

How does Russia attacking Ukraine equate to “America’s dems started it”?

Are you serious now?? :lol

Mate I don't have time nor the skill to do a whole history lesson, but with a quick internet search you should be able to find plenty.

start with "Nord Stream pipeline" or quick summary of OTAN/Russia

It's not an opinion, the whole world knows

[Pauleta14]

Should the US let Russia take Ukraine, should the US fight a cold war against Russia (as they're currently doing), or should the US fight a hot war against Russia? Those are the only three options. Pick one and stop ducking the fucking question.

Should the US bomb the Nord Stream creating world wide inflation and poverty along with this Russia/Ukraine conflict?

Are you asking me if the US should keep intervene all over the world using economical pressure to maintain its influence?

You have a weird way of reducing the available options by over-simplifying the situation

[GAustex]

RFK Jr had an excellent history of demoncrat interference in Ukraine leading up to date.
The speech was when he dropped out of the race and endorsed the Maganificant Orange Bastard

[baseline bum]

Should the US bomb the Nord Stream creating world wide inflation and poverty along with this Russia/Ukraine conflict?

Are you asking me if the US should keep intervene all over the world using economical pressure to maintain its influence?

You have a weird way of reducing the available options by over-simplifying the situation

Oh fuck off. I ask you a simple question what you think Biden and Harris should have done when you bitched about Biden and Harris supporting Ukraine and you want to keep changing the topic.

[baseline bum]

How does Russia attacking Ukraine equate to “America’s dems started it”?

Dipshit is trying to equate supporting Ukraine against Russian invasion with Bush invading Iraq for oil.

[Dejounte]

Are you serious now?? :lol

Mate I don't have time nor the skill to do a whole history lesson, but with a quick internet search you should be able to find plenty.

start with "Nord Stream pipeline" or quick summary of OTAN/Russia

It's not an opinion, the whole world knows

Ah, conspiracy theories. Try to assess the situation in a more logical way:


https://youtu.be/hk-0qJXyido?feature=shared

Let me guess, you “dont have time” for a 12 minute video.

[Pauleta14]

Oh fuck off. I ask you a simple question what you think Biden and Harris should have done when you bitched about Biden and Harris supporting Ukraine and you want to keep changing the topic.

Chill

I used rethorical questions and irony to answer, how is it changing the topic?

I'm telling you those aren't the only 2 options and you are over simplifying a situation, presenting it as if the US had no choice but provoking and financing this war.

Those aren't opinions, I'm not even saying what should be done bc I know how fucked up this region is and how complex its history and population mix is.

Stop taking shit personnally, I never attacked you and take the time to exchange with you. Insults aren't warented here

[Pauleta14]

You guy are incapable of exchanging without getting emotional, taking shit personnally and going ad hominem :lol

But you think you belong to the camp of tolerance and rightfullness...

[baseline bum]

Chill

I used rethorical questions and irony to answer, how is it changing the topic?

I'm telling you those aren't the only 2 options and you are over simplifying a situation, presenting it as if the US had no choice but provoking and financing this war.

Those aren't opinions, I'm not even saying what should be done bc I know how fucked up this region is and how complex its history and population mix is.

Stop taking shit personnally, I never attacked you and take the time to exchange with you. Insults aren't warented here

LOL you accusing anyone of oversimplifying when you say durr see same bullshit, Democrats' war in Ukraine just like Republican wars (eg invading Iraq for oil).

[koriwhat]

LMAO The regressives are all up in arms because they're a-ok with NATO creeping further and further on to borders they claimed they'd never creep towards. You fucking regressives, here on ST, are die hard war mongering rejects in a death cult you can't seem to find the exit to. :lmao

[Dejounte]

You guy are incapable of exchanging without getting emotional, taking shit personnally and going ad hominem :lol

But you think you belong to the camp of tolerance and rightfullness...

Bro, there is nothing emotional, personal, or intolerant with me suggesting to you to watch a 12 minute video to broaden your knowledge about a situation. If you reject any opportunity for education, that’s on you. But don’t come in here and suggest you’re being victimized when I’m trying to find a middle ground with you.

[koriwhat]

You guy are incapable of exchanging without getting emotional, taking shit personnally and going ad hominem :lol

But you think you belong to the camp of tolerance and rightfullness...

Welcome to my world, bro! :tu

[baseline bum]

You guy are incapable of exchanging without getting emotional, taking shit personnally and going ad hominem :lol

But you think you belong to the camp of tolerance and rightfullness...

You're incapable of answering a simple question.

[Pauleta14]

LOL you accusing anyone of oversimplifying when you say durr see same bullshit, Democrats' war in Ukraine just like Republican wars (eg invading Iraq for oil).

You really need to educate yourself on the topic to understand its complexity and I'm not over simplifying, I'm doing THE EXACT OPPOSITE :lol

[Pauleta14]

Bro, there is nothing emotional, personal, or intolerant with me suggesting to you to watch a 12 minute video to broaden your knowledge about a situation. If you reject any opportunity for education, that’s on you. But don’t come in here and suggest you’re being victimized when I’m trying to find a middle ground with you.

The post was directed at whoever attacks and insults me instead of exchanging in a civil way. Not you in particular

No I'm not going to watch your 12' video, and you shouldn't either. That's not how one educate himself bro.

It's messed up to think a kid on youtube is going to sumarise in 12' such a complex topic. You can't have just one source of information to start with and if you want to listen to an opinion, chose the most neutral and educated ones, not the ones living off of clicks

But thx for the offer/intention tho ^^

[baseline bum]

You really need to educate yourself on the topic to understand its complexity and I'm not over simplifying, I'm doing THE EXACT OPPOSITE :lol

Putin wants Ukraine because it's a soft underbelly of flat land to easily march troops into Russia. Tough shit, Ukraine doesn't want to be under the umbrella of the nation that committed genocide against it 90 years ago. So after Putin invaded in Ukraine which option did you want Biden to take? (1) Let Russia take Ukraine (2) Cold war with Russia to keep it from taking Ukraine (3) Hot war with Russia to keep it from taking Ukraine. Those are the only three choices but I know you won't answer.

[Dejounte]

The post was directed at whoever attacks and insults me instead of exchanging in a civil way. Not you in particular

No I'm not going to watch your 12' video, and you shouldn't either. That's not how one educate himself bro.

It's messed up to think a kid on youtube is going to sumarise in 12' such a complex topic. You can't have just one source of information to start with and if you want to listen to an opinion, chose the most neutral and educated ones, not the ones living off of clicks

But thx for the offer/intention tho ^^

You told me to search Google for a few key words. A military analyst who specializes in maritime and has done intensive research on the subject is objectively better than your suggestion of doing an internet search on Google. I also didn’t need to do any more research than I have because I have been following this subject for more than a year, and I merely chose the best and most informative video that summarizes the situation better than most media… this is not really an honest conversation if you refuse to engage and watch the video.

[Pauleta14]

Putin wants Ukraine because it's a soft underbelly of flat land to easily march troops into Russia. Tough shit, Ukraine doesn't want to be under the umbrella of the nation that committed genocide against it 90 years ago. So after Putin invaded in Ukraine which option did you want Biden to take? (1) Let Russia take Ukraine (2) Cold war with Russia to keep it from taking Ukraine (3) Hot war with Russia to keep it from taking Ukraine. Those are the only three choices but I know you won't answer.

Thanks for not only making my point but also offering me a closure...

You should start your tiktok channel about History, any topic done in 1min (3 lines, perfect!) :lol

[ambchang]

This is the result of normalizing conservative shit:

https://www.reddit.com/r/TikTokCringe/s/sE93SlD5p6

When did the bible talk about the 19th amendment?

[baseline bum]

Thanks for not only making my point but also offering me a closure...

You should start your tiktok channel about Historyany topic done in 1min (3 lines, perfect!) :lol

Still refuse to answer what Biden should have done when Putin invaded but want to equate it with Bush's war for oil in Iraq.

[BackHome]

Since your asking questions I have one how come there were no Wars when Trump was in office and now when Biden came to power we have Wars all over the place? Also, wasn’t it Obama that allowed Russia to annex Crimeria - I am curious to hear your thoughts on that. So, so far under Democratic leadership we have allowed Russia to take almost 30% of Ukraine territory and hear I thought Democrats didn’t like Putin. What is that old saying “With friends like this who needs enemies”

[Pauleta14]

You told me to search Google for a few key words. A military analyst who specializes in maritime and has done intensive research on the subject is objectively better than your suggestion of doing an internet search on Google. I also didn’t need to do any more research than I have because I have been following this subject for more than a year, and I merely chose the best and most informative video that summarizes the situation better than most media… this is not really an honest conversation if you refuse to engage and watch the video.

I didn't think I'd need to explain you how internet works. It's on me, my bad.

So basically once you've done your search with a few key words, magically millions of possibilities will offer themselves to you in the form of a list of links you just have to click on.

All you need to do is chose as many as you want, don't worry they're all FREE!!

Choose wisely tho, I'd advise you to avoid anything that looks comfortable to you like short videos or anything vulgarising complex topics, it's the best way to end up spitting cliches and overly simplistic theories in public...

Good luck to you and keep me updated!

[Pauleta14]

Still refuse to answer what Biden should have done when Putin invaded but want to equate it with Bush's war for oil in Iraq.

You're basically asking me, once Biden's adm did everything they could to make Putin act the way he did, What choice does Biden have but do the things that he's doing... :lol

Do you realise the insanity of your question mate?

And now go back and read my answers. All I was saying is the picture you're describing isn't exhaustive and you ask me to take a position based on it.

[Dejounte]

I didn't think I'd need to explain you how internet works. It's on me, my bad.

So basically once you've done your search with a few key words, magically millions of possibilities will offer themselves to you in the form of a list of links you just have to click on.

All you need to do is chose as many as you want, don't worry they're all FREE!!

Choose wisely tho, I'd advise you to avoid anything that looks comfortable to you like short videos or anything vulgarising complex topics, it's the best way to end up spitting cliches and overly simplistic theories in public...

Good luck to you and keep me updated!

Ah, now you’re the one behaving in a manner you condemned others for just an hour ago. I was telling you respectfully that doing a google search is not a true way to “educate oneself”, yet you come back with disrespect. Don’t criticize others when you’re going to turn around and do the same thing as them. I’ve already told you that this is a topic I’m well versed in after following it for over a year, and yet you refuse to take even one step to understand my position. This is not sincere with you. You don’t want to participate and put in any effort. Just say that.

[baseline bum]

You're basically asking me, once Biden's adm did everything they could to make Putin act the way he did, What choice does Biden have but do the things that he's doing... :lol

Do you realise the insanity of your question mate?

And now go back and read my answers. All I was saying is the picture you're describing isn't exhaustive and you ask me to take a position based on it.

Go back and read what answers? Your ducking questions with a hand wavey 'it's complicated' while equating the Ukraine war to Bush's invasion of Iraq (unless you meant different wars the GOP started)? Now you're pretending Biden was about to admit Ukraine into NATO and forced Putin's hand?

[Ef-man]

Since your asking questions I have one how come there were no Wars when Trump was in office and now when Biden came to power we have Wars all over the place? Also, wasn’t it Obama that allowed Russia to annex Crimeria - I am curious to hear your thoughts on that. So, so far under Democratic leadership we have allowed Russia to take almost 30% of Ukraine territory and hear I thought Democrats didn’t like Putin. What is that old saying “With friends like this who needs enemies”

No wars under the felon’s belt???? :lol

He was knee deep in Afghanistan and with ISIS in Iraq/Syria.

[KingKev]

The funniest part about Coach Pop when it comes to politics is that he holds strikingly similar, and narcissistic traits as Trump.

[Spurs Homer]

Still not ONE inaccurate thing in pops 10 minute truth nuke sermon….

All truth bombs and instead we have a bunch of distractions to defend the criminal felon rapist traitor…

who cares about the other stuff when the traitor attempted a coup, mishandled covid, committed treason at helsinki in front of the world and has been convicted of 34 felonies with 50 something more felonies pending trials?

[CGD]

Still not ONE inaccurate thing in pops 10 minute truth nuke sermon….

All truth bombs and instead we have a bunch of distractions to defend the criminal felon rapist traitor…

who cares about the other stuff when the traitor attempted a coup, mishandled covid, committed treason at helsinki in front of the world and has been convicted of 34 felonies with 50 something more felonies pending trials?

And the Bone Spurs, don’t forget the poor guy’s Bone Spurs.

[tim_duncan_fan]

It's hilarious how yall regressives don't like labels but yall label everyone not in your death cult. :lmao

What's your handle on 4chan? :lmao

When did I say I don't like labels, whatever that means? What are you on about? Conservatives say such derpy shit.



When did the bible talk about the 19th amendment?

The Christian holy book says whatever a given proselytizer needs it to say as they are blabbing in the moment, per the religion's tradition.

[Ef-man]

The Christian holy book says whatever a given proselytizer needs it to say as they are blabbing in the moment, per the religion's tradition.

The same book used to justify slavery in the US.

If only the magas could put in as much effort into studying history as they put in researching the origins, effects, and treatment of the Chyna flu.

[Pauleta14]

Ah, now you’re the one behaving in a manner you condemned others for just an hour ago. I was telling you respectfully that doing a google search is not a true way to “educate oneself”, yet you come back with disrespect. Don’t criticize others when you’re going to turn around and do the same thing as them. I’ve already told you that this is a topic I’m well versed in after following it for over a year, and yet you refuse to take even one step to understand my position. This is not sincere with you. You don’t want to participate and put in any effort. Just say that.

Don't you have any sense of self deprecation at all?

Pardon me for using sarcasm after being insulted and attacked for an hour :lol

FYI you can find the same type of "informative" videos that argue the opposite. That's not an agument.

We can agree to disagree on a topic that isn't manichean. You haven't noticed but despite having a very diff pov than you or others, I haven't been insulting you bc I'm pissed you disagree.

Lastly in case you didn't notice, contrary to you I don't have a horse in the race that would by definition cloud my view. It's human nature, once you chose a camp, you become biased and defend your "team".

I'm uber critic on both sides. I'm on the side on the people whoever they are and on the side on the democracy and its pillars/counter powers that are a condition for its existence and subsistance. Free independant medias, justice or unions, transparency and accountability etc

All the rest is just a game you're not aware you're being a participant. The idea that so many ppl take time to listen to a candidate is mind boggling to me, it's like opening the door to a salesman and giving him a shot at manipulate you... :lol

It just ends up dividing us as this convo has shown.

[Pauleta14]

Go back and read what answers? Your ducking questions with a hand wavey 'it's complicated' while equating the Ukraine war to Bush's invasion of Iraq (unless you meant different wars the GOP started)? Now you're pretending Biden was about to admit Ukraine into NATO and forced Putin's hand?

You can't accuse me of ducking bro, I keep answering despite trying to put an end to this convo multiple times... :lol

I answered you in diff ways that you can't ask somone's opinion on a non exhaustive situation you present. You're telling me there's this or that choice, when in reality there are many others AND Biden was the one creating the situation that you're presenting.

My position is mostly agnostic, there are things I know and a lot more that I (we) don't.

Having a definitive pov for ppl in our position is abusrd. The most logical positon to have is agnosticism, humility and focus on the stuff we control. The world isn't black/white the way it was +50y ago and our countries/leaders aren't always the nice guys.

[Pauleta14]

The funniest part about Coach Pop when it comes to politics is that he holds strikingly similar, and narcissistic traits as Trump.

Even if the wisest, most decent human being that ever was, was put in Pop's situation for +2 decades , he'd end up with a god complex. It's human nature

[flox]

Pop should just shut up and dribble, assuming he can still actually dribble a basketball with his braindead takes.

[baseline bum]

You can't accuse me of ducking bro, I keep answering despite trying to put an end to this convo multiple times... :lol

I answered you in diff ways that you can't ask somone's opinion on a non exhaustive situation you present. You're telling me there's this or that choice, when in reality there are many others AND Biden was the one creating the situation that you're presenting.

My position is mostly agnostic, there are things I know and a lot more that I (we) don't.

Having a definitive pov for ppl in our position is abusrd. The most logical positon to have is agnosticism, humility and focus on the stuff we control. The world isn't black/white the way it was +50y ago and our countries/leaders aren't always the nice guys.

You don't answer shit and have just been posting lazy bothsidesisms and now you're strawmanning me into being some flag waving my country is always right defender which is rich.

[baseline bum]

Don't you have any sense of self deprecation at all?

Pardon me for using sarcasm after being insulted and attacked for an hour :lol

FYI you can find the same type of "informative" videos that argue the opposite. That's not an agument.

We can agree to disagree on a topic that isn't manichean. You haven't noticed but despite having a very diff pov than you or others, I haven't been insulting you bc I'm pissed you disagree.

Lastly in case you didn't notice, contrary to you I don't have a horse in the race that would by definition cloud my view. It's human nature, once you chose a camp, you become biased and defend your "team".

I'm uber critic on both sides. I'm on the side on the people whoever they are and on the side on the democracy and its pillars/counter powers that are a condition for its existence and subsistance. Free independant medias, justice or unions, transparency and accountability etc

All the rest is just a game you're not aware you're being a participant. The idea that so many ppl take time to listen to a candidate is mind boggling to me, it's like opening the door to a salesman and giving him a shot at manipulate you... :lol

It just ends up dividing us as this convo has shown.

You wanna climb down off that cross?

[Pauleta14]

You don't answer shit and have just been posting lazy bothsidesisms and now you're strawmanning me into being some flag waving my country is always right defender which is rich.

flag waiving... :lmao

Bro we're turning in circles, I did answer you multiple times, you're just not satified with what I said.

You're acting as if you were the head of state that HAS TO take a decison, forgetting you don't have enough knowledge for that.

You don't have to have a defintive pov on such a complex topic but you act as if and go after whoever dare not having the answer you seek.

Let's stop here, we're going nowhere

[Pauleta14]

You wanna climb down off that cross?

I hope this cynicism leaves you as soon as possible my friend. That was a genuine post

[baseline bum]

I hope this cynicism leaves you as soon as possible my friend. That was a genuine post

You're such a victim.

[baseline bum]

flag waiving... :lmao

Bro we're turning in circles, I did answer you multiple times, you're just not satified with what I said.

You're acting as if you were the head of state that HAS TO take a decison, forgetting you don't have enough knowledge for that.

You don't have to have a defintive pov on such a complex topic but you act as if and go after whoever dare not having the answer you seek.

Let's stop here, we're going nowhere

Your most comprehensive answer here is telling someone to google shit.

[z0sa]

:lol why do Trump cultists/apologists think that they don't have to provide any proof or answers to their conspiracy theories? In our (currently) free society, you have to back up your bullshit with actual evidence, not "lol how do you not know these are the facts?" and "do your own research" when confronted with the actual evidence.

[baseline bum]

100%.

Since I've been old enough to vote, with only two exceptions, every vote has been cast as a "lesser of two evils" vote.

Clinton, nor Biden nor Harris aren't the folks I'd choose if the Dem party asked my opinion, but it's such a no-brainer against Trump that it doesn't require a lot of critical analysis.

I'm curious what votes you would consider ones you actually liked making instead of lesser of two evils. For me only 2008 wasn't a lesser of two evils vote, and that was because Obama was running as another FDR. By 2012 when we saw he was much more like another Clinton I pretty much only voted for Obama because the GOP promised to kill off Medicare except for the GOP's 55+ year-old voting base because 'they made them promises' as if people like me hadn't been paying into Medicare for years too.

[Limguogolo]

Well, I didn't expect the biggest relativist on this thread to be French^^. Saying Trump = Harris sounds a lot like the old campaign where Democrats said Hillary was corrupt. That may be true, but Trump is worse than corruption. With him, we saw an ever more frightening slide towards fascism. We are not that far from the right-wing of the left under Hollande, except that in France, it ended up marginalizing the rule of law by bringing to power a president who ended up adopting far-right measures. Obama, Biden or Harris would be content to pursue right-wing policies. Too bad for Sanders, but it was already an achievement five years ago that the left had its chances in an election. The center right of American Democrats will always be better than fascism.

Fascism doesn't care much about the rule of law or international law. You can be corrupt and still minimally respect certain rules. Trump governs according to his mood: a dictator says he is smart, Trump will respond by lifting sanctions against his country; a dictator mocks Trump and is capable of deporting every American from this country (or worse, bombing the dictator).

Respect for international law particularly concerns aid to Ukraine. The West is bound by agreements on the security of the country, and we respond only timidly to these duties. Is a war expensive? What a joke... The USA would have immediately given sufficient stocks to Ukraine to get rid of the Russians and the war would have cost much less. Historically, wars also stimulate the economy. There is nothing rational about the economy: the great powers can perfectly well have large deficits. The primary barometer of an economy is GDP. However, the purchase of weapons maintains the industrial arms sector. Sending thousands of tanks that the USA has and which are rotting in hangars is free: it would help Ukraine, but it would not boost the economy. On the other hand, placing endless orders on ammunition is extremely beneficial for the economy. The USA is also the main beneficiary of the end of gas exports to Europe. The war in Ukraine stimulates the American economy.

Contrary to what neoliberals say, deficits have one virtue: to activate growth. Having a lot or a little deficit is not a relevant indicator for judging the good economic health of a country. The deficit of a State cannot be perceived as the deficit of an individual. And this is one of the lies propagated by neoliberals which serves to destroy public services. The neoliberals are anarchists: they want there to be no rules, except that of the strongest. They don't care about the states' deficit because they don't care about the states. Their interest is that of the powerful, not the general interest (and therefore that of the State).

What is happening in the Middle East is even worse than what is happening in Ukraine. Israel is a Western colony, a creation of the UN, under the influence of the great winner of the war, in a territory where Jews had no rights. We have opened Pandora's box. So the least we could do would be to put pressure on Israel so that they cannot develop their extremist policies. Biden and Harris are already largely culpable and complicit in ongoing war crimes and even genocide. Nothing new, you might say, from the country that fought the Vietnam War and imposed dictatorships in South America. Except that with Trump, Israeli supremacists will find an ideal ally. Biden and Harris are cowards: they are not corrupted by Jewish interests, it is lower than that, they are afraid of losing the votes of Jewish voters (a twisted assumption, moreover, because many American Jews are oppose Israel's policy).

So no, Trump and Harris are not the same thing. It's a matter of tipping. After the horrors of two successive world wars, countries have always sought appeasement and the common good. And this, with many nuances. The neoliberal drift has now been at work since Reagan, and since then, we have seen a permanent slide towards fascist excesses. Funny to see that Reagan had already managed to supplant Carter thanks to a scam involving Iran. Today, Trump no longer even needs to do things quietly: all it takes is for an idea to cross his mind or for him to have read it on social networks for him to talk about it in a meeting, and as crazy as this idea may seem, it will act as a program and we will no longer be surprised at what it is capable of doing. The shift towards fascism is almost reaching its final chapter. The only question that arises is whether we will do like previous times and experience the worst in order to hope for the best again. Or if we will have learned from the excesses of the past. If he loses, Harris will be able to pursue a center-right policy, and if the USA does not fall into civil war, perhaps we will be lucky enough to see a shift, this time towards LEFT. The left is currently inaudible because excesses have become the norm. But if fascism is stifled, there is still a possibility that a Harris mandate will trigger this shift toward less excess. (This is unlikely. In the USA as elsewhere, it seems that we have to go through fascism again to "try it", as if we were all collectively suffering from amnesia.)

[baseline bum]

If he loses, Harris will be able to pursue a center-right policy, and if the USA does not fall into civil war, perhaps we will be lucky enough to see a shift, this time towards LEFT. The left is currently inaudible because excesses have become the norm. But if fascism is stifled, there is still a possibility that a Harris mandate will trigger this shift toward less excess. (This is unlikely. In the USA as elsewhere, it seems that we have to go through fascism again to "try it", as if we were all collectively suffering from amnesia.)

I'm a little encouraged that we have seen the Democrats dragged to the left, even if just slightly so far, by their voting base. As a Gen-X'er I'm in the last gen that entered the workforce with a functioning economy in the US. But now that Millennials who have never had a functioning economy in their working years are a large part of the voting base even one of the most right wing Democrats in Biden, someone who was made VP to calm fears of the scary (ran as) left of center negro, was dragged kicking and screaming into negotiating drug prices through Medicare, capping out of pocket costs for prescription drugs in Medicare Part D, and blocking the Albertsons - Kroger merger, there's hope the voting base might drag the party away from neoliberalism once the mummies like Pelosi die off. Of course Biden's and Harris' full throated support of Netenyahu's genocide is a real damper on that, but a vote for Trump is a vote for Netenyahu's genocide too.

[Pauleta14]

Well, I didn't expect the biggest relativist on this thread to be French^^. Saying Trump = Harris

That's the perception, not the reality.

From the start I've been put in a position of opposition that I didn't seek. I've been clear that none of my pov were based on US internal policies but its concrete impact on the world, making a comparison between the last 2 administrations ONLY because some were defending the present one when this it is at the origin of even more trouble than the previous.

I've also multiple time clearly said I consider Trump a lunatic, which in my book isn't a compliment nor an endorsement.

[Pauleta14]

You're such a victim.

You're so emo

[baseline bum]

You're so emo

You're the one whining about being attacked, poor you

[baseline bum]

That's the perception, not the reality.

From the start I've been put in a position of opposition that I didn't seek. I've been clear that none of my pov were based on US internal policies but its concrete impact on the world, making a comparison between the last 2 administrations ONLY because some were defending the present one when this it is at the origin of even more trouble than the previous.

I've also multiple time clearly said I consider Trump a lunatic, which in my book isn't a compliment nor an endorsement.

Did you forget when you whined that Pop was insulting the fanbase by complaining about Trump ending democracy in the US? LOL your both sides crap when Trump literally tried to overthrow democracy and overturn the election four years ago when he lost and now a complicit supreme court has decided he's above the law as long as he calls his crimes official acts. Maybe you're just trolling and not really a LePen voter but you're doing a great impression by trying to normalize him.

[spurraider21]

:lol why do Trump cultists/apologists think that they don't have to provide any proof or answers to their conspiracy theories? In our (currently) free society, you have to back up your bullshit with actual evidence, not "lol how do you not know these are the facts?" and "do your own research" when confronted with the actual evidence.
who do you think they've learned that from? :lol

[Pauleta14]

You're the one whining about being attacked, poor you


Did you forget when you whined that Pop was insulting the fanbase by complaining about Trump ending democracy in the US? LOL your both sides crap when Trump literally tried to overthrow democracy and overturn the election four years ago when he lost and now a complicit supreme court has decided he's above the law as long as he calls his crimes official acts. Maybe you're just trolling and not really a LePen voter but you're doing a great impression by trying to normalize him.

You have the word "whining" easy I see

I don't recall doing so at any moment, I just made an observation.

You're so emo you assumed immediately that I was defending Trump when I was just making the point that politic has to stay away from sport.

You need to learn to control your emotions, you're going all over the place

[baseline bum]

You have the word "whining" easy I see

I don't recall doing so at any moment, I just made an observation.

You're so emo you assumed immediately that I was defending Trump when I was just making the point that politic has to stay away from sport.

You need to learn to control your emotions, you're going all over the place

Speaking of being all over the place



From the start I've been put in a position of opposition that I didn't seek. I've been clear that none of my pov were based on US internal policies but its concrete impact on the world

From the start of the thread



I'm not american and don't have a side really, I just find it hard to understand how any intelligent person would take any side other than by default. Both are fucked up


Normalizing the guy who has tried to overthrow democracy in this nation once and will do it again with the supreme court's blessing should he win this election is absolutely defending him.

[Pauleta14]

Normalizing the guy who has tried to overthrow democracy in this nation once and will do it again with the supreme court's blessing should he win this election is absolutely defending him.

You really have lost your mind buddy... :lol

I can feel it's a very sensitive subject for you, it just isn't for me. I'd expect a bit more stoicism from an adult in this convo tho.

You're over interpreting everything I say and ignoring everything that could bring any nuance in your pov. How many times do I need to say what I think of Trump for u to stop acting like I'm a fan or defending him?

How do u want me not to take you for a very limited dude intellectually if you're not able to dissociate facts and opinions?

A criticism toward Biden's administration doesn't equal a support for the Trump's

What kind of world you live in where anyone not sharing your pov necessarilly has the worst possible extrem one?

And you wanna act/take the higher ground?!??

You're messed up dude, you need to take a step back and learn critical thinking.

[z0sa]

who do you think they've learned that from? :lol

True - but there is a difference, a major one. As much as these types vicariously live their dreams in their echo chambers via Trumpisms, they aren't billionaires with half a major country's population defending their every action. They don't get the free pass to pull bullshit but they want to act like they can and are just as powerful. They're not though, yet this fascination with "telling it like it is" (barf) is really the thing that brings these strongmen to power. It's a direct reflection on the stupidity (or at least, willful ignorance) of people who just can't be fucked to critically assess anything that might hurt their feelings or make them realize they could be wrong.


I know you know this but it's worth mentioning :lol

[Joseph Kony]

Fuck all you maga loving clowns, kiss my ass you trumptarded faggots

[scott]

You really have lost your mind buddy... :lol

I can feel it's a very sensitive subject for you, it just isn't for me. I'd expect a bit more stoicism from an adult in this convo tho.

You're over interpreting everything I say and ignoring everything that could bring any nuance in your pov. How many times do I need to say what I think of Trump for u to stop acting like I'm a fan or defending him?

How do u want me not to take you for a very limited dude intellectually if you're not able to dissociate facts and opinions?

A criticism toward Biden's administration doesn't equal a support for the Trump's

What kind of world you live in where anyone not sharing your pov necessarilly has the worst possible extrem one?

And you wanna act/take the higher ground?!??

You're messed up dude, you need to take a step back and learn critical thinking.

Sorry mate, but you start out by equating the two candidates, then by saying that one party far outspends the other (which is not true in a historical or recent sense), then saying that the cost of the Ukraine war was too high, then saying it wasn't about the cost when shown that the costs were actually rather insignificant as a portion of the budget, and now you're trying this "but I said Trump was a lunatic!" thing.

You've stepped all over yourself in this thread.

[scott]

True - but there is a difference, a major one. As much as these types vicariously live their dreams in their echo chambers via Trumpisms, they aren't billionaires with half a major country's population defending their every action. They don't get the free pass to pull bullshit but they want to act like they can and are just as powerful. They're not though, yet this fascination with "telling it like it is" (barf) is really the thing that brings these strongmen to power. It's a direct reflection on the stupidity (or at least, willful ignorance) of people who just can't be fucked to critically assess anything that might hurt their feelings or make them realize they could be wrong.


I know you know this but it's worth mentioning :lol

One of the most fascinating things to me is that Trump is exactly the kind of dude that his fans would hate to work for, yet they idolize him as some kind of managerial genius.

[baseline bum]

You really have lost your mind buddy... :lol


Yes the RICO charge against Trump for trying to overturn the results of the election in Georgia are just some shit I made up in an emo state. As is the hard right supreme court coming to the conclusion the president cannot be prosecuted for official acts. January 6th also never happened.

[baseline bum]

Sorry mate, but you start out by equating the two candidates, then by saying that one party far outspends the other (which is not true in a historical or recent sense), then saying that the cost of the Ukraine war was too high, then saying it wasn't about the cost when shown that the costs were actually rather insignificant as a portion of the budget, and now you're trying this "but I said Trump was a lunatic!" thing.

You've stepped all over yourself in this thread.

Careful, stop being emo for quoting his words back to him

[koriwhat]

:lol why do Trump cultists/apologists think that they don't have to provide any proof or answers to their conspiracy theories? In our (currently) free society, you have to back up your bullshit with actual evidence, not "lol how do you not know these are the facts?" and "do your own research" when confronted with the actual evidence.

Russiagate... 'nuff said!

[baseline bum]

One of the most fascinating things to me is that Trump is exactly the kind of dude that his fans would hate to work for, yet they idolize him as some kind of managerial genius.

Wait people want to get paid for their work?

[ChumpDumper]

Russiagate... 'nuff said!

You mean some people suspected members of the Trump campaign might have been actively trying to collude with Russians because Trump's son, son-in-law and campaign manager admitted to actively trying to collude with Russians?

'nuff said.

[z0sa]

Russiagate... 'nuff said!

True as far as I know, actually. Trump's sons wanted to collaborate, but it didn't happen with Trump himself, IIRC.

The Russia/Ukraine situation is a shitty one. I agree that Ukraine becoming a puppet for the West played a huge part in Russia invading.

Now, there's no evidence we were going to see Ukraine join NATO or anything. Biden straight up said it wasn't happening. But we pulled the same shit and threatened nuclear war when they tried it with Cuba. I can see a Russian view here.

That said, I'm American and so if Ukrainians want to fight Russians rather than us being forced to in a general war with NATO, that's better for us. The cost of the war in Ukraine is a negligible part of our budget, and the money pays huge dividends. We are locked in an alliance with Poland who would immediately be threatened by Russia if we just left Ukraine to their own devices. It is what it is, shitty, but still turning out better for us with zero troops lost and some billions invested as opposed to Russia, who's sacrificing an entire generation for years of stalemate. Russia is one of our primary geopolitical opponents, if they're weaker, it's good for us. Just sayin

[scott]

1850918323187228705

For our French friend, who seems very concerned with US Budget Deficits.

[baseline bum]

True as far as I know, actually. Trump's sons wanted to collaborate, but it didn't happen with Trump himself, IIRC.

The Russia/Ukraine situation is a shitty one. I agree that Ukraine becoming a puppet for the West played a huge part in Russia invading.

Now, there's no evidence we were going to see Ukraine join NATO or anything. Biden straight up said it wasn't happening. But we pulled the same shit and threatened nuclear war when they tried it with Cuba. I can see a Russian view here.

That said, I'm American and so if Ukrainians want to fight Russians rather than us being forced to in a general war with NATO, that's better for us. The cost of the war in Ukraine is a negligible part of our budget, and the money pays huge dividends. We are locked in an alliance with Poland who would immediately be threatened by Russia if we just left Ukraine to their own devices. It is what it is, shitty, but still turning out better for us with zero troops lost and some billions invested as opposed to Russia, who's sacrificing an entire generation for years of stalemate. Russia is one of our primary geopolitical opponents, if they're weaker, it's good for us. Just sayin

If Ukraine was actually on the verge of joining NATO then Putin would have been right to invade, especially with Europe looking like it was backsliding into fascism with Brexit passing, LePen looking like she'd win France, and Orban controlling Hungary. Biden's a piece of shit but he's not that stupid to basically declare war on Russia by admitting Ukraine to NATO.

[Bill_Brasky]

True - but there is a difference, a major one. As much as these types vicariously live their dreams in their echo chambers via Trumpisms, they aren't billionaires with half a major country's population defending their every action. They don't get the free pass to pull bullshit but they want to act like they can and are just as powerful. They're not though, yet this fascination with "telling it like it is" (barf) is really the thing that brings these strongmen to power. It's a direct reflection on the stupidity (or at least, willful ignorance) of people who just can't be fucked to critically assess anything that might hurt their feelings or make them realize they could be wrong.


I know you know this but it's worth mentioning :lol

The worst part about a person who jacks off about "telling it like it is", is that they can never handle when they are the one being told "like it is".

[spurraider21]

If Ukraine was actually on the verge of joining NATO then Putin would have been right to invade, especially with Europe looking like it was backsliding into fascism with Brexit passing, LePen looking like she'd win France, and Orban controlling Hungary. Biden's a piece of shit but he's not that stupid to basically declare war on Russia by admitting Ukraine to NATO.
jfc

[Pauleta14]

Sorry mate, but you start out by equating the two candidates, then by saying that one party far outspends the other (which is not true in a historical or recent sense), then saying that the cost of the Ukraine war was too high, then saying it wasn't about the cost when shown that the costs were actually rather insignificant as a portion of the budget, and now you're trying this "but I said Trump was a lunatic!" thing.

You've stepped all over yourself in this thread.

Go back and read the exchange, I liked ur post regarding the budget btw, my point was only on the international impact of both administrations as I repeated multiple times.

As for the cost of wars, it's not a scoop, but again it's never been a point that matters to me, I'm not concerned by budget talk.

I haven't stepped all over myself as you say, I've had to deal with either idiots or disingenious ppl trying to put me in whatever extrem camp to help make their points.

Some of you are really scary types of Karens tbh, I can only imagine you during the lockdowns insulting anyone without a mask or daring questionng the vaccine.

[tim_duncan_fan]

1850918323187228705

For our French friend, who seems very concerned with US Budget Deficits.

This is an obvious baby back bitch cuck source. It's not a based source like OANN or Elon Musk posts on X.

[Pauleta14]

Yes the RICO charge against Trump for trying to overturn the results of the election in Georgia are just some shit I made up in an emo state. As is the hard right supreme court coming to the conclusion the president cannot be prosecuted for official acts. January 6th also never happened.

You haven't even read the post have you ... :lol

Why should IGAF about this answer?

How is that relevant to my point or the convo?

Do you have reading difficulties?

[Pauleta14]

Careful, stop being emo for quoting his words back to him

Nope, you should take example actually

We don't need to agree or even understand each other to stay civilised. He's clearly in control of his emotions

[Pauleta14]

1850918323187228705

For our French friend, who seems very concerned with US Budget Deficits.

Scott you don't need to lower yourself the the other Bum to win an argument.

I repeated at least 5 times idgaf about US intern politic or budget. What are you aiming with this message?

[CorrectCrusader]

I can't wait for a dictator

[baseline bum]

You haven't even read the post have you ... :lol

Why should IGAF about this answer?

How is that relevant to my point or the convo?

Do you have reading difficulties?

I can't read your mind whether you were taking offense to me saying Trump tried to overthrow democracy or whether you were pissed I said you were normalizing Trump. Which you clearly were when you said you can't understand how Americans can take a side in Harris Vs Trump. Most of the time on this forum people would get triggered by the former but apparently you are by the latter.

[Limguogolo]

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For our French friend, who seems very concerned with US Budget Deficits.
A perfectly familiar situation for the French who have just spent seven years in the hands of a president whom the billionaires' press called "the mozart of finance" and who widened the deficit like never before by eliminating taxes on the rich, by spending without looking at the financial aid to large companies which significantly reduces the state budget each year, and which has eliminated aid for the poorest and the middle class. And alongside these neoliberal impostors who claim to pursue policies of "economic rigor" when all they do is weaken public finances, there is in France, a left-wing alliance that came out on top in the elections (which the president anticipated, but as it was not the far right which came out on top as he hoped, he refused the result of the polls), the left whose economic program proposed increasing taxes on the richest (they pay them proportionally less than the poor) and to eliminate all indiscriminate aid to big businesses.

This left, whose program is the only one to have been quantified and approved by economists (and which in theory had won the early elections), well... the press and the media (even public) continue to claim that it mismanages the state money.

The neoliberal lies have been the same for forty years and have been widely deployed among the population and the media. Namely that the left mismanages public money because there are too many taxes and that the State, you see, is managed like a business: it is necessary to reduce its operating costs. Everywhere, always the question of reducing spending (which we would better call "investments", like a teacher salary), never that of increasing revenue and therefore creating fairer progressive taxes. I end the lying logic of neoliberalism: since the State is incapable of cleaning up its spending, we must therefore eliminate public services and transfer these services to the private sector, because as everyone knows the invisible hand will ruin inefficient hospitals which lose money, for the benefit of those who make a profit (with cosmetic surgery for example, especially not emergencies).

Ruining states in order to destroy the public sector, eliminating public aid for the most deprived, and eliminating taxes for the powerful, this is the ambition of the neoliberals in power in many countries. It is neither the left, nor wars, nor epidemics which are ruining States, it is they, the neoliberals in power for forty years who are deliberately ruining our common good: the State.

In democracies, the State belongs to the people. In dictatorship, the State is embodied by those who are at its head. And if we are slowly sliding more and more towards dictatorial regimes in the West, it is perhaps also because we forgot to like Étienne de La Boétie's tweet on The Discourse on Voluntary Servitude in the 16th century in which Étienne explains how the poorest totally subscribe to the slavery in which the powerful confine them. There is that among the voters of Trump, Le Pen, Orban and the others. Such a fascination with power that we refuse to exercise it for ourselves and delegate it to madmen against our own interests...

Same situation.

[Pauleta14]

I can't read your mind whether you were taking offense to me saying Trump tried to overthrow democracy or whether you were pissed I said you were normalizing Trump. Which you clearly were when you said you can't understand how Americans can take a side in Harris Vs Trump. Most of the time on this forum people would get triggered by the former but apparently you are by the latter.

You don't need to read my mind bro. My words should be enough.

If you understood an endorsement for Trump in anything I said, you have reading difficulties or you're just overwhelmed by your emotions with the elections coming I don't know...

[baseline bum]

You don't need to read my mind bro. My words should be enough.

If you understood an endorsement for Trump in anything I said, you have reading difficulties or you're just overwhelmed by your emotions with the elections coming I don't know...

Your both-sidesing clear as day no matter how much you run from it now after posting something stupid. Anyways, I'm done with you for a while since Ohtani's about to step up to the plate.


I'm not american and don't have a side really, I just find it hard to understand how any intelligent person would take any side other than by default. Both are fucked up

[heyheymymy]

Pauleta14 types a lot of words

[Pauleta14]

Your both-sidesing clear as day no matter how much you run from it now after posting something stupid. Anyways, I'm done with you for a while since Ohtani's about to step up to the plate.

yes, both Kamala and Trump are fucked up. what's wrong with this statement?

If you're able to focus you should've seen a few lines or posts later me confirming the obvious that if I had to, I'd chose the lesser of 2 evils...

ffs all this time just bc you don't take the time to read??

[baseline bum]

yes, both Kamala and Trump are fucked up. what's wrong with this statement?


Never said Harris isn't fucked up; I'd have never voted for her in a primary if the shitty Democrats would have had one. That's not the post you made. The one you made said no intelligent American should take a side, which is ridiculous when one candidate has literally attempted to overthrow democracy and if he wins will be able to do it next time now that the president is officially above the law for official acts per the wingnut supreme court.



If you're able to focus you should've seen a few lines or posts later me confirming the obvious that if I had to, I'd chose the lesser of 2 evils...

ffs all this time just bc you don't take the time to read??

Quote that post

[Ef-man]

Pauleta14 types a lot of words

Obviously, English is not his first language or he is a mentally challenged, c’est la vie.

[ChumpDumper]

yes, both Kamala and Trump are fucked up. what's wrong with this statement?

If you're able to focus you should've seen a few lines or posts later me confirming the obvious that if I had to, I'd chose the lesser of 2 evils...

ffs all this time just bc you don't take the time to read??
Whom do you consider the lesser of evils and why?

[baseline bum]

Obviously, English is not his first language or he is a mentally challenged, c’est la vie.

It's funny he interprets being told to fuck off like I'm saying fight me fucker or something like that. Pretty universal to talk like that informally whether it's with my friends from the US, France, Italy, Turkey, Peru, Mexico, Poland, etc. Doesn't really translate well with Japanese, Chinese, or Korean friends I have had but pretty normal for people from the west.

[Pauleta14]

Whom do you consider the lesser of evils and why?

Come on now, have I ever sounded like a conservative dude?? :lol

To me it was never the topic of discussion, it all started just by me pointing out that the Dems are as fucked up and under as many "evil" influences. Kamala is absurdly incompetent and the cliche of a muppet that will do whatever the most generous lobbist will ask her to do.

Now selfishly as a non american, I'm not sure there's much difference in the damage the US gov does around the world. (my country isn't better)

[ChumpDumper]

Come on now, have I ever sounded like a conservative dude?? :lol

To me it was never the topic of discussion, it all started just by me pointing out that the Dems are as fucked up and under as many "evil" influences. Kamala is absurdly incompetent and the cliche of a muppet that will do whatever the most generous lobbist will ask her to do.

Now selfishly as a non american, I'm not sure there's much difference in the damage the US gov does around the world. (my country isn't better)

You could just say "Kamala Harris."

[baseline bum]

You could just say "Kamala Harris."

Pauleta did earlier

[Pauleta14]

You could just say "Kamala Harris."

I think u missed the part where I'm not american and there aren't much difference between both on the mess they'll do in around the world

[BackHome]

I can't wait for a dictator

Umm you do know he was all ready the President before?

[baseline bum]

Umm you do know he was all ready the President before?

He wasn't above the law last time like he will be this time.

[Ef-man]

Umm you do know he was all ready the President before?

Ummm, you do know he tried to overturn the election in the courts, congress, and on J6 to stay in power?

You know, a dictator wannabe.

[baseline bum]

Ummm, you do know he tried to overturn the election in the courts, congress, and on J6 to stay in power?

You know, a dictator wannabe.

Leaned on the state of Georgia to overturn the election results, which the wingnut supreme court decided should be legal from now on.

[baseline bum]

I think u missed the part where I'm not american and there aren't much difference between both on the mess they'll do in around the world

LOL you still never quoted your post

[ChumpDumper]

I think u missed the part where I'm not american and there aren't much difference between both on the mess they'll do in around the worldNo, I didn't.

It just comes down to your not being a conservative. OK.

[HemisfairArena]

Lets see how it goes next tuesday,,,,,can you say President Trump? Pop is a joke and a backstabber like what he did to Bob Hill,,,,drink your wine old man and be the male version of Joy Behar like you are,,,,

[ChumpDumper]

Who's Bob Hill?

[CorrectCrusader]

Umm you do know he was all ready the President before?
I'm not talking about Trump

[KingKev]

This thread finna go 50 pages deep.

I just want to go on record for all of ST that your political views don’t impact my own personal view of anyone who loves our team and is here for basketball debates and often pure entertainment.

Coach Pop, Eminem, Taylor Swift, Beyonce or Elon Musk’s endorsements shouldn’t swing your vote.

[baseline bum]

Still waiting on Pauleta's quote. ROFL throwing a fit because I didn't read shit he never posted.

[exstatic]

Umm you do know he was all ready the President before?

Dress rehearsal, and he came breathtakingly close to overturning the election on January 6th. He won’t make the same mistakes again.

[koriwhat]

True as far as I know, actually. Trump's sons wanted to collaborate, but it didn't happen with Trump himself, IIRC.

A dinner, with Natalia Veselnitskaya, that was set up to entrap Trump Jr. has been debunked already. So, no, the sons of Trump weren't trying to collaborate with anyone especially Russia.


The Russia/Ukraine situation is a shitty one. I agree that Ukraine becoming a puppet for the West played a huge part in Russia invading.

Indeed it did. NATO creeps closer and closer to a border they agreed never to creep on. If the shoe was on the other foot all NATO nations would be pointing their missiles straight at whomever would creep to their borders. NATO, our MSM, and our Politicians looking the other way to NATO's nefarious acts of intimidation are why the world is on fire atm. Doesn't help that Ukraine is a corrupt state and a slush fund for our Politicians.


Now, there's no evidence we were going to see Ukraine join NATO or anything. Biden straight up said it wasn't happening. But we pulled the same shit and threatened nuclear war when they tried it with Cuba. I can see a Russian view here.

I'm no Russian stan. Truthfully I never gave a fuck about Russia outside of laughing at the stereotype of wearing Addidas swag. You're catching on though!

As well, Biden says a lot of fucked shit so who knows... Dude thought Trump was his VP not long ago. :lmao


That said, I'm American and so if Ukrainians want to fight Russians rather than us being forced to in a general war with NATO, that's better for us.

How'd that go for us back in the 80's when we aligned ourselves with Osama and the Taliban to fight a proxy war vs that same foe? We've been in many failed proxy wars that dragged us into worse wars and killed numerous men and women from all sides. War is never the answer especially when we aren't the target nor an ally NATO nation.


The cost of the war in Ukraine is a negligible part of our budget, and the money pays huge dividends.

Not when I see homeless everywhere, our school system pushing out kids who can't even do grade school math, inflation up the ass, infrastructure falling apart, etc here in the USA. I'd rather us fix our house before we fix theirs; their infrastructure, their pensions, their ssi, their everything...


We are locked in an alliance with Poland who would immediately be threatened by Russia if we just left Ukraine to their own devices.

And again, how much did it cost us long term, money and lives, when we funded other proxy wars of the past?

That's what you've been told. Who knows, really? If NATO never creeped to Russia's borders would we even entertain such a thought?


It is what it is, shitty, but still turning out better for us with zero troops lost and some billions invested as opposed to Russia, who's sacrificing an entire generation for years of stalemate. Russia is one of our primary geopolitical opponents, if they're weaker, it's good for us. Just sayin

You're not wrong, it truly is shitty. War is shitty overall.

Don't pretend all the proxy wars of the past didn't end up with USA troops on the ground in those locations yrs later fighting a war for our politicians who could not give 2 fucks about any of us. If you don't learn from history you're doomed to repeat it over and over again.

Btw z0sa, thanks for always being cordial and having a mature back and forth. You've always been one of the good ones regardless of your political sway. :tu

[koriwhat]

Leaned on the state of Georgia to overturn the election results, which the wingnut supreme court decided should be legal from now on.

LMAO yes, wingnut for sure considering the latest addition to the bench can't even tell us what a woman is even though she's a woman. Total wingnut!

[ChumpDumper]

A dinner, with Natalia Veselnitskaya, that was set up to entrap Trump Jr. has been debunked already. So, no, the sons of Trump weren't trying to collaborate with anyone especially Russia.Entrap him in what?


Indeed it did. NATO creeps closer and closer to a border they agreed never to creep on. If the shoe was on the other foot all NATO nations would be pointing their missiles straight at whomever would creep to their borders. NATO just moved in on 830 miles of border with Russia and Russia didn't do shit about it.


I'm no Russian stan. Truthfully I never gave a fuck about Russia outside of laughing at the stereotype of wearing Addidas swag. You're catching on though!

As well, Biden says a lot of fucked shit so who knows... Dude thought Trump was his VP not long ago. :lmao
Trump thinks Obama is still president.


How'd that go for us back in the 80's when we aligned ourselves with Osama and the Taliban to fight a proxy war vs that same foe?
Incredibly well tbh as the USSR disappeared. The failure was in the follow through.


Not when I see homeless everywhere, our school system pushing out kids who can't even do grade school math, inflation up the ass, infrastructure falling apart, etc here in the USA. I'd rather us fix our house before we fix theirs; their infrastructure, their pensions, their ssi, their everything...Don't pretend you care about that or that Republicans want to do anything about those.

[koriwhat]

Chump, I know you believe I read your posts, to me, but I don't. I have no interest in what you have to say to me. Nor do I have any interest in you, personally.

You're a bothersome person. You must be miserable because you're also a miserable person.

I might have an impulse to reply to others, even to my own detriment. You, on the other hand, have an inclination to replying to all, all the time, every post, every second, every minute, every hour, every... Are you understanding, yet? You are deranged!

Don't like my opinions on the Spurs, Pop, or politics? Be a man and kick rocks already. Mind your business, not mine. You're weird bro. :tu

https://media.tenor.com/txwDxeqKzxUAAAAM/fresh-prince.gif

[scott]

So are we trading for Lauri or nah?

[spurs555]

Kind of ironic that Pop is talking about kids/grandkids having to look up to someone as an example. Pop is known for berating and belittling the media with his smartass comments etc over the past 20 years. You can go on youtube right now and see all the tantrums/comments he's made to refs/media members. I don't think Pop would want his grandkids copying his behavior.....

[Pauleta14]

A dinner, with Natalia Veselnitskaya, that was set up to entrap Trump Jr. has been debunked already. So, no, the sons of Trump weren't trying to collaborate with anyone especially Russia.



Indeed it did. NATO creeps closer and closer to a border they agreed never to creep on. If the shoe was on the other foot all NATO nations would be pointing their missiles straight at whomever would creep to their borders. NATO, our MSM, and our Politicians looking the other way to NATO's nefarious acts of intimidation are why the world is on fire atm. Doesn't help that Ukraine is a corrupt state and a slush fund for our Politicians.



I'm no Russian stan. Truthfully I never gave a fuck about Russia outside of laughing at the stereotype of wearing Addidas swag. You're catching on though!

As well, Biden says a lot of fucked shit so who knows... Dude thought Trump was his VP not long ago. :lmao



How'd that go for us back in the 80's when we aligned ourselves with Osama and the Taliban to fight a proxy war vs that same foe? We've been in many failed proxy wars that dragged us into worse wars and killed numerous men and women from all sides. War is never the answer especially when we aren't the target nor an ally NATO nation.



Not when I see homeless everywhere, our school system pushing out kids who can't even do grade school math, inflation up the ass, infrastructure falling apart, etc here in the USA. I'd rather us fix our house before we fix theirs; their infrastructure, their pensions, their ssi, their everything...



And again, how much did it cost us long term, money and lives, when we funded other proxy wars of the past?

That's what you've been told. Who knows, really? If NATO never creeped to Russia's borders would we even entertain such a thought?



You're not wrong, it truly is shitty. War is shitty overall.

Don't pretend all the proxy wars of the past didn't end up with USA troops on the ground in those locations yrs later fighting a war for our politicians who could not give 2 fucks about any of us. If you don't learn from history you're doomed to repeat it over and over again.

Btw z0sa, thanks for always being cordial and having a mature back and forth. You've always been one of the good ones regardless of your political sway. :tu

I don't follow who's who on ST, but I don't get why you're being attacked or put in a position of extreme pov tbh.

This post only contains facts and reasonable take

(I'm genuinely trying to understand the agressivity towards me yesterday tbh. Didn't expect to see emotions that high)

[koriwhat]

I don't follow who's who on ST, but I don't get why you're being attacked or put in a position of extreme pov tbh.

This post only contains facts and reasonable take

(I'm genuinely trying to understand the agressivity towards me yesterday tbh. Didn't expect to see emotions that high)

The left is a death cult. You spoke up for common sense and thus the attacks towards you. It's simple, if you don't toe the party line, cult thinking, then you are the rat, the vermin, the pest that must be eradicated. It's sad, really.

Don't be too upset at the attacks. The regressives here believe me to be some sort of handmaiden's tale misogynist and every other ist/phobe under the sun. They also believe me to be a white supremacist, racist, and more. They're delusional and what they think of me, or concocted in their mentally ill minds, has no bearing on who I am or what I stand for. Crazies will be crazy, unfortunately...

[ChumpDumper]

I don't follow who's who on ST, but I don't get why you're being attacked or put in a position of extreme pov tbh.He's an extreme right winger who wishes death upon other posters and wants to get his friends to beat up individual posters.

[Pauleta14]

The left is a death cult. You spoke up for common sense and thus the attacks towards you. It's simple, if you don't toe the party line, cult thinking, then you are the rat, the vermin, the pest that must be eradicated. It's sad, really.

Don't be too upset at the attacks. The regressives here believe me to be some sort of handmaiden's tale misogynist and every other ist/phobe under the sun. They also believe me to be a white supremacist, racist, and more. They're delusional and what they think of me, or concocted in their mentally ill minds, has no bearing on who I am or what I stand for. Crazies will be crazy, unfortunately...

I'm not upset at all, I'm curious by nature and as you noticed I'm more about common sense than defending a team (politically speaking. GSG!)

Fear is a diabolical factor that clouds the wisest minds. Some of those who attacked me have shown me in the past that they are decent and smart ppl but this topic made them switch in a scary way.

Despite my multiple "olive branches" and tentative to find a middle ground they just doubled down in the ad hominem attacks :lol

Since the lockdowns, ppl have lost their minds, you're either with them or the worst possible human being

[Pauleta14]

He's an extreme right winger who wishes death upon other posters and wants to get his friends to beat up individual posters.

Why? beause his said "go kill yourself" on a basketball forum?

It's just a matter of opinion :lol

[Pauleta14]

Also, I lke seing his posts, they remind me of Kori Elis. How is she doing?

(pls no bad news ^^)

[ChumpDumper]

Why? beause his said "go kill yourself" on a basketball forum?

It's just a matter of opinion :lolThen why do keep going on about people attacking you?

[Pauleta14]

Then why do keep going on about people attacking you?

bc "go kill yourself" isn't an argumentation, its a "fuck off", an end to an exchange

You guys can't help yourself asking a question and insulting directly or in a passive agressive way.

Genuine question, do you only hang out or exchange with people who share the exact same pov?

If yes, How do you learn stuff or correct yourself?

[ChumpDumper]

bc "go kill yourself" isn't an argumentation, its a "fuck off", an end to an exchangeYou should see the way he does it before making such assumptions.


You guys can't help yourself asking a question and insulting directly or in a passive agressive way.
Neither can koriwhat, but you won't be complaining about it.


Genuine question, do you only hang out or exchange with people who share the exact same pov?No.

[Pauleta14]

You should see the way he does it before making such assumptions.


Neither can koriwhat, but you won't be complaining about it.

No.

I'll see when that happens, but I can't see a scenario in which I'd try to collectively bully him on a forum, it's classless and not a sign of high IQ

You can learn even listening to idiots and from what I read Koriwhat doesn't seem one. At worst we disagree and move on

[ChumpDumper]

I'll see when that happens, but I can't see a scenario in which I'd try to collectively bully him on a forum, it's classless and not a sign of high IQ

You can learn even listening to idiots and from what I read Koriwhat doesn't seem one. At worst we disagree and move onRight. His attacks on others: just fine.

Other posters' attacks on you: not good.

[Spurs Homer]

Kind of ironic that Pop is talking about kids/grandkids having to look up to someone as an example. Pop is known for berating and belittling the media with his smartass comments etc over the past 20 years. You can go on youtube right now and see all the tantrums/comments he's made to refs/media members. I don't think Pop would want his grandkids copying his behavior.....

Pop is not a convicted rapist or a convicted 34 count convicted felon for fraud.

Pop does not have 55 more pending felonies in the courts that he is either delaying or ready to illicitly make disappear by hiring a corrupt attorney general to circumvent our laws and destroy legal cases/crimes he is guilty of committing.

But yeah - continue your false equivocation in order to defend a despicable traitor to the usa and a servant of putin.
and...

sure- pop might be a dick - but he is not asking you to give him unlimited power - in fact you could stop supporting the spurs and/or his coaching this very minute if you choose to...

you are not getting that same choice with the convicted felon if he steals or tries another coup...

[Pauleta14]

Right. His attacks on others: just fine.

Other posters' attacks on you: not good.

ffs do u take the time to read??

I said I'll judge when I see him act that way. I also assumed that when he does, it's the equivalent of a "fuck off" to end a discussion, not to keep up with the convo. Again I'll see.

My exp was diff, I didn't make any political statement, didn't endorce any candidate, just wanted to exchange and was put all along in the position of the radical extremist by association, when all I pointed was facts.

I probably said once every page that Trump is a nuthead or a lunatic but still you felt the need to ask me what would be my choice...

We can't put words at the same level than actions. You guys seem to have a problem with freedom of speech. It's surreal tbh

[scott]

It's not really close between both parties on who spent the most... :lol

Not a fan of his but trump didn't go to war at least. The dems on the other hand are on the verge of starting WW3 but it's the left so they're the good guys... :lol



what the Dems did and are doing with Ukraine/Russia is far more dangerous and Kamala is even more under influance of lobbists than Trump ever was.




The cost of war is tough to match tho and tbh I wasn't refferring it for its cost but for the (relative) peaceful era in the world during Trump's administration. As weird as the dude is, he kept the world safe with his weird PR.



I was talking in recent history bro with the basic knowledge of the INSANE daily cost of wars.

If you compare the last 2 administrations, it's just not close.



FYI again, I'm not advcating for Trump, I just find the opp camp almost scarier on different topics, espacially Ukraine and Israel.

C'mon guys, I'm not sure why you all keep confusing Pauleta with some kind of conservative or Trump supporter!

He and his buddy koriwhat are just trying to have an open discussion!

[scott]

It's the same bullshit you hear from the cowards who claim to be Independents but have only voted one way their entire lives. They know they are supporting a criminal dictator wannabe, they are just too pussified to come out and say it, so they do these contortions to rationalize why they won't vote for the other party.

This is the biggest tell:


I could be wrong but Kamala scares the shit out of me, she's too dumb, too incompetent, she has no backbone etc and her vice president looks completely nuts!! They're going to do some stupid shit

Harris is "too dumb"? What is this based on? Because some conservative talking head said it? Kamala would destroy Trump (and probably most people on this website) in a debate (she already has), an IQ contest, or even a basic 2nd grade arithmetic quiz. The people parroting this line act like we've never heard this dumb motherfucker Trump try to speak. He's so incoherent he makes Dubya look like JFK.

[ChumpDumper]

ffs do u take the time to read??

I said I'll judge when I see him act that way. I also assumed that when he does, it's the equivalent of a "fuck off" to end a discussion, not to keep up with the convo. Again I'll see.

My exp was diff, I didn't make any political statement, didn't endorce any candidate, just wanted to exchange and was put all along in the position of the radical extremist by association, when all I pointed was facts.

I probably said once every page that Trump is a nuthead or a lunatic but still you felt the need to ask me what would be my choice...
You kept saying positive things about Trump and negative things about Democrats


We can't put words at the same level than actions. You guys seem to have a problem with freedom of speech. It's surreal tbh
What a weird passive aggressive-attack from you tbh.

[scott]

You kept saying positive things about Trump and negative things about Democrats


What a weird passive aggressive-attack from you tbh.

It's bizarre when people confuse criticism of the ass-backwards positions they take as some kind of attack on free speech, as if we are some sort of Governmental Gestapo sent to quell disorder on... SpursTalk dot com.

[Limguogolo]

ffs do u take the time to read??

I said I'll judge when I see him act that way. I also assumed that when he does, it's the equivalent of a "fuck off" to end a discussion, not to keep up with the convo. Again I'll see.

My exp was diff, I didn't make any political statement, didn't endorce any candidate, just wanted to exchange and was put all along in the position of the radical extremist by association, when all I pointed was facts.

I probably said once every page that Trump is a nuthead or a lunatic but still you felt the need to ask me what would be my choice...

We can't put words at the same level than actions. You guys seem to have a problem with freedom of speech. It's surreal tbh
From “factism” to fascism, there is only one step?

Dictatorships always serve the bourgeois, and the bourgeois have always reacted weakly to the extreme right, to fascism, to dictatorships, through a form of relativism and apparent neutrality which in fact validates the positions of an authoritarian power which will preserve their privileges.

There is no need to be choosy about the danger of fascism. No neutrality is possible. You don't pick up your phone to call Putin in order to pose as a great diplomat or a wise man of democracy just as you don't come to Munich to seek "guarantees" of peace from Hitler. As you politely ask Israel to stop its colonization or kill tens of thousands of Palestinians.

Trump attempted a coup d'état, he made comments favorable to dictatorships and everything in his speech is fascism, lies or idiocy. It is therefore impossible to put into perspective the consequences on minorities, human rights, the people he threatens, on the already fragile stability in the world, if he wins the presidential election.

This is not an opinion. This is factual because like all dictators, Trump does exactly what he will do. But it is our disbelief in the face of the worst that pushes us to doubt what he says or our veiled support for what he proposes (either through a form of voluntary slavery, or because we ourselves belong to the bourgeois who will benefit from a dictatorship).

Ressaisis-toi, sacre bleu.

[Rosewood]

These rats are all the same and have convinced the population to hate one another. The constant infighting is exactly what the politicians want as they continue to worsen the living conditions for everyone and you absolute fucking morons continue to fall for it and argue online like your opinions matter :lol

[Pauleta14]

C'mon guys, I'm not sure why you all keep confusing Pauleta with some kind of conservative or Trump supporter!

He and his buddy koriwhat are just trying to have an open discussion!

Wow Scott, I thought u were a bit less stupid than your bum friend...you were just hiding ur game I see if you can dissociate an opinions from a fact... :lol

What's happening? Are u nervous with the elections coming?

You guys are a case study on the impact fear has on people. You've lost your minds and can't think straight anymore. You need to interpret anything so it fits ur narrative...

None of the quotes u listed endorce Trump in anyway.

[Pauleta14]

It's the same bullshit you hear from the cowards who claim to be Independents but have only voted one way their entire lives. They know they are supporting a criminal dictator wannabe, they are just too pussified to come out and say it, so they do these contortions to rationalize why they won't vote for the other party.

This is the biggest tell:



Harris is "too dumb"? What is this based on? Because some conservative talking head said it? Kamala would destroy Trump (and probably most people on this website) in a debate (she already has), an IQ contest, or even a basic 2nd grade arithmetic quiz. The people parroting this line act like we've never heard this dumb motherfucker Trump try to speak. He's so incoherent he makes Dubya look like JFK.

my god you're stupid... :lmao

Yes Kamala is scary af for plenty of reasons, the main one being she's a gold digger who didn't get there by merit and she's shown again and again that she doesn't know much.

How does that endorces Trump when I said at least 5-6 times that he's nuts, lunatic etc

Does lunatic sounds like a compliment or an endorsement to you Scott? :lol

Oh boy, you're making my day tbh, so much stupidity can be entertaining to witness

[Pauleta14]

You kept saying positive things about Trump and negative things about Democrats


What a weird passive aggressive-attack from you tbh.

I "keep" saying positive stuff about Trump now?? Is that all you have? :lol

Please make my day and find me those (there must be plenty if I "keep" doing it) :lol

only positive thing wasn't on Trump but on facts that I compared between 2 administrations. Therre was no wars started, it's just A FACT

[Pauleta14]

From “factism” to fascism, there is only one step?

Dictatorships always serve the bourgeois, and the bourgeois have always reacted weakly to the extreme right, to fascism, to dictatorships, through a form of relativism and apparent neutrality which in fact validates the positions of an authoritarian power which will preserve their privileges.

There is no need to be choosy about the danger of fascism. No neutrality is possible. You don't pick up your phone to call Putin in order to pose as a great diplomat or a wise man of democracy just as you don't come to Munich to seek "guarantees" of peace from Hitler. As you politely ask Israel to stop its colonization or kill tens of thousands of Palestinians.

Trump attempted a coup d'état, he made comments favorable to dictatorships and everything in his speech is fascism, lies or idiocy. It is therefore impossible to put into perspective the consequences on minorities, human rights, the people he threatens, on the already fragile stability in the world, if he wins the presidential election.

This is not an opinion. This is factual because like all dictators, Trump does exactly what he will do. But it is our disbelief in the face of the worst that pushes us to doubt what he says or our veiled support for what he proposes (either through a form of voluntary slavery, or because we ourselves belong to the bourgeois who will benefit from a dictatorship).

Ressaisis-toi, sacre bleu.

Tu m'a l'air assez eduqué pour connaitre le sens des mots et ne pas utiliser dictateur a tout va. Ou alors tu le met dans le mm camp que Charlie Chaplin.

Je ne suis pas americain et je m'en fou de leur politique interieure, j'ai pas a prendre partie et je considere les 2 tout aussi dangereux.

Tu pense que Trump l'est bcp + que Kamala, cool, c ton pov, je le respecte. Je n'en suis pas sur. Je les met au meme niveau (pour des raisons differentes) surtout a cause de l'impact des lobby militaires sur Kamala.

Et lmao le "coup d'etat" le plus drole et moins credible de l'histoire des coups d'etats (ce qui n'excuse pas son speach fucked up le 6/1, mais com on... coup d'etat? :lol)

Dernier point, vous semblez tous interpreter/traduire mes propos comme si j'essayais de cacher ma position... Tu crois que j'en ai qqchose a foutre de ce que des gens sur un forum pensent de moi???

Si j'etais pour Trump, j'assumerai. Et si tu ne vois pas les meme danger que je vois en Kamala.... Ressaisis-toi, sace bleu :lol :toast

[Pauleta14]

These rats are all the same and have convinced the population to hate one another. The constant infighting is exactly what the politicians want as they continue to worsen the living conditions for everyone and you absolute fucking morons continue to fall for it and argue online like your opinions matter :lol

Exactly what I said from page 1 (or 2 at worse)

[ambchang]

Pauletta’s moves in every single thread:
1) make some stupid comment, got called out;
2) how old are you?
3) don’t get too emotional
4) it’s an opinion
5) can you read?
6) you have comprehension problems
7) you have a low iq
8) I’m being civil about everything, you keep on insulting me and is not rational
9) you are a Karen
10) I’m just playing with you and your weak mind, but I’m actually extending an olive branch
11) just go Google and educate yourself, what you found on the internet is conspiracy theory but what I found is superior, because I use google as a secret weapon that access highly accurate information. Unlike you. Have you heard of Google?

While dodging questions and changing goal posts all the way.


12) btw, you are stupid, and I’m totally calm and logical.

[ChumpDumper]

I "keep" saying positive stuff about Trump now?? Is that all you have? :lol

Please make my day and find me those (there must be plenty if I "keep" doing it) :lol

only positive thing wasn't on Trump but on facts that I compared between 2 administrations. Therre was no wars started, it's just A FACT

:lol scott had just listed them

Weird act you got going here.

[ambchang]

my god you're stupid... :lmao

Yes Kamala is scary af for plenty of reasons, the main one being she's a gold digger who didn't get there by merit and she's shown again and again that she doesn't know much.

How does that endorces Trump when I said at least 5-6 times that he's nuts, lunatic etc

Does lunatic sounds like a compliment or an endorsement to you Scott? :lol

Oh boy, you're making my day tbh, so much stupidity can be entertaining to witness

Would be helpful with some actual examples.

I tried Google but it may not be as insightful as your version of Google. Besides, what you listed appeared to be an opinion instead of a fact and I can’t read your mind and see what events would satisfy your opinion of her being stupid and incompetent.

Is she also a Karen?

[baseline bum]

I don't follow who's who on ST, but I don't get why you're being attacked or put in a position of extreme pov tbh.

This post only contains facts and reasonable take

(I'm genuinely trying to understand the agressivity towards me yesterday tbh. Didn't expect to see emotions that high)

Stop being such a fucking baby. Still ROFL at your whining that I didn't read posts you never made.

[Pauleta14]

:lol scott had just listed them

Weird act you got going here.

I'm really questioning ur IQ

[Pauleta14]

Would be helpful with some actual examples.

I tried Google but it may not be as insightful as your version of Google. Besides, what you listed appeared to be an opinion instead of a fact and I can’t read your mind and see what events would satisfy your opinion of her being stupid and incompetent.

Is she also a Karen?

Hey Karen!

You wanna join the crew? :lol

Nah don't worry, the title is yours. I'm gonna pass on the convo tho, you've shown me it's usually a waste of time. I'm sure u understand.

You take care x

[Pauleta14]

Stop being such a fucking baby. Still ROFL at your whining that I didn't read posts you never made.

The irony :lmao

Take a deep breathing mate, only a few days left. It's all gonna be fine

[Pauleta14]

Never suspected ST could be this fun tbh :lol

[ambchang]

Hey Karen!

You wanna join the crew? :lol

Nah don't worry, the title is yours. I'm gonna pass on the convo tho, you've shown me it's usually a waste of time. I'm sure u understand.

You take care x

So no actual examples? Like why is Kamala stupid and incompetent. How did she gold dig compared to other politicians? How did she show she didn’t know much?

Did you already list out all these responses that somehow none of us can see?

Don’t be overly emotional though, it’s just an opinion.

Edit: forgot to add, this is so much fun, you are using your superior intellect to make fun of us low iq crowd. All hail Pauletta the ignorant.

[ambchang]

Never suspected ST could be this fun tbh :lol

Yeah. It is really fun for you to be reminded of your garbage takes and see you chasing your own tail.

[ChumpDumper]

I'm really questioning ur IQ

You're really being passive aggressive.

[baseline bum]

The irony :lmao

Take a deep breathing mate, only a few days left. It's all gonna be fine

You threw a fit for multiple posts that I didn't read something that you never wrote.

[baseline bum]

Constant autistic screeching from Pauleta14 of 'l3@Rn 2 rEAd! l3@Rn 2 rEAd!' and then it's crickets when I ask him to quote his post he never wrote that I was somehow supposed to have read.

[Pauleta14]

You're really being passive aggressive.

Nope, I don't know u, we can disagree but ur obsessionto make me a Trump supporter leaves me with nothing else but questioning either ur honesty or your IQ. I'm serious.

There's nothing passive agressive in me, I'm a direct person.

At best u live in a manichean world, but it's 2024, not 1939 mate

[Pauleta14]

Constant autistic screeching from Pauleta14 (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=15128) of 'l3@Rn 2 rEAd! l3@Rn 2 rEAd!' and then it's crickets when I ask him to quote his post he never wrote that I was somehow supposed to have read.

I'm not nor am I taking it as an insult.

Actually a compliment in a supposedly "rational convo"

[ambchang]

You're really being passive aggressive.

No, he’s extending an olive branch. You are just stupid to know and mixing up opinions with facts. A simple look on Google will give you your answers. You just have comprehension problems and is a Karen.

He’s being perfectly logical and calm while you are too emotional.

[scott]

Pauleta's ancestors in the early 1930s: "oui, this um... how you say... Hitler... he seems bad, but I heard... how you say... von Hindenburg... is stupid gold digger. Oui, I am not German I am just stating my opinions... this gentlemen... how you say... Goebbels... agrees with me. Why do you all bully him? Oooh la la baguette."

[koriwhat]

Why? beause his said "go kill yourself" on a basketball forum?

It's just a matter of opinion :lol

Exactly, and I'm far from the only person here who has said such things but I'm the only one they cry over.

They don't cry over their eboyfriends using gay slurs and racial slurs, as well as telling others to "kill themselves" too... But, oh no, Koriwhat is an extremist! :lmao




"Quote Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
He's an extreme right winger who wishes death upon other posters and wants to get his friends to beat up individual posters."

I'll see when that happens, but I can't see a scenario in which I'd try to collectively bully him on a forum, it's classless and not a sign of high IQ

You can learn even listening to idiots and from what I read Koriwhat doesn't seem one. At worst we disagree and move on

Let me address this extremist label these goons have placed on me. I am by no means an extremist, either on the left or the right. I voted for Obummer twice and feel duped for doing so seeing what he and that party currently resembles. Again, the party left me behind or I just finally woke up to its bs and won't be duped ever again.

CumDummy calls me an extremist for the same reason I told you, Pauletta, that if you go against the cult you are now an outlier or worse, an (far-right) extremist. :lol

He's simply mad, just like all his eboyfriends here, that I don't subscribe to their death cult.

Your ending statement is exactly how I've lived my life the entire time regardless of politics. Some, the cultists, just can't seem to do the same and thus they gang up on others and then cry when they get their feelings hurt.

As for "wishing death on others", these people take shit way too seriously. However, if CumDummy and his eboyfriends did pass, I wouldn't shed a tear; fuck them all! And the whole, "wants to get his friends to beat up individual posters", is simply make believe. It's how these losers cope.


You guys seem to have a problem with freedom of speech. It's surreal tbh

You know who else has a problem with free speach? FASCISTS! :lol


He and his buddy koriwhat are just trying to have an open discussion!

That's exactly what it is. You just don't agree with our right to do so because we don't share similar thinking to you. Doesn't mean we are buddies. I mean, realistically, we're all just anonymous, semi-anonymous, sharing our opinions on an open board you would rather be a safe space for you shit ideology.


It's the same bullshit you hear from the cowards who claim to be Independents but have only voted one way their entire lives.

What's my voting record exactly? Down ticket always? You can reference 2 times I voted by reading the top of this reply bud. :tu :lol


Harris is "too dumb"? What is this based on? Because some conservative talking head said it? Kamala would destroy Trump (and probably most people on this website) in a debate (she already has), an IQ contest, or even a basic 2nd grade arithmetic quiz. The people parroting this line act like we've never heard this dumb motherfucker Trump try to speak. He's so incoherent he makes Dubya look like JFK.[/COLOR]

She is dumb. Dumb as you clearly are Scott. And I doubt you've ever heard Trump speak outside of tiktok 10 second clips. The dude does hours long rally's and interviews but yeah keep pretending he is as incoherent as Cuntmala. I'm sure you're winning people over with your outlandish lies.


Constant autistic screeching from

I wouldn't doubt if you're a bit on the spectrum. You're constantly online, constantly playing video games, you have no filter here and use slurs your party ideology wouldn't deem inclusive... BB stop throwing stones from your glass house.

[spurraider21]

Why? beause his said "go kill yourself" on a basketball forum?

It's just a matter of opinion :lol
:lmao you were crying over "fuck off" but think "go kill yourself" is fine by comparison

[koriwhat]

:lmao you were crying over "fuck off" but think "go kill yourself" is fine by comparison

Was I the first to ever say, "go kill yourself"? I picked that saying up here from you posters, tbh. We've all used it here to say, "fuck off", so why pretend like it's only ever been me to do so? Pearl clutching and making mountains out of mole hills is what you regressives do because of dramatics. It's odd.

What I find truly odd is yalls obsession with what I have to say, call me an extremist, and then when I've pointed out numerous times your buddies here have called others here gay slurs, racial slurs, and to kill themselves, yall are nowhere to be found. It's quite telling.

It's as if yall only fixate on me. Yall truly care about me. Ah, how sweet of yall!

[ChumpDumper]

:lol kori proves everything I wrote about him

[spurraider21]

Was I the first to ever say, "go kill yourself"? I picked that saying up here from you posters, tbh. We've all used it here to say, "fuck off", so why pretend like it's only ever been me to do so? Pearl clutching and making mountains out of mole hills is what you regressives do because of dramatics. It's odd.

What I find truly odd is yalls obsession with what I have to say, call me an extremist, and then when I've pointed out numerous times your buddies here have called others here gay slurs, racial slurs, and to kill themselves, yall are nowhere to be found. It's quite telling.

It's as if yall only fixate on me. Yall truly care about me. Ah, how sweet of yall!
i dont actually care about the "go kill yourself" stuff. mr. body does it all the time too. i just find it funny when people are hypocrites. if somebody wants to use that kind of inflammatory language i dont care. but then dont go clutching pearls when somebody tells you to fuck off. when it comes to you, i find it funny because you constantly remind people about how you are not mad and then use language that clearly shows how mad you are. that and the thread about you promising to be nicer because of your grandma, etc.

[koriwhat]

i dont actually care about the "go kill yourself" stuff. mr. body does it all the time too. i just find it funny when people are hypocrites. if somebody wants to use that kind of inflammatory language i dont care. but then dont go clutching pearls when somebody tells you to fuck off. when it comes to you, i find it funny because you constantly remind people about how you are not mad and then use language that clearly shows how mad you are. that and the thread about you promising to be nicer because of your grandma, etc.

I cuss irl so it's no different here. Your perception of how I come across here is just that, your perception but not reality.

As for the grandmother thread, things were tough during that time and I felt like extending an olive branch was worth doing. Don't fault me when you all spit on such an idea and attacked me further pushing me to not care anymore. That's on yall, not me.

Yall can cry for eternity about that thread, what I say here, me personally, and I still won't give a fuck. I find it funny yall care so much about some dude online and act like yall don't while creating troll accounts to post on other forums(tattoo forum) to shit on me before I even started my tattoo career, leaving fake reviews on my yelp page calling me a racist, doxxing family members of mine, doxxing my shop, doxxing me personally, claiming yall would kick my ass, making up personas to claim yall knew me all through HS, constantly harassing me while also ganging up on me, etc...

You've had it good here SR21, and if you've been harrassed here, and outside of here by posters here, you would've deleted your ST account yrs ago. So start crying over nothing and look in a mirror for once.

[baseline bum]

I wouldn't doubt if you're a bit on the spectrum. You're constantly online, constantly playing video games, you have no filter here and use slurs your party ideology wouldn't deem inclusive... BB stop throwing stones from your glass house.

LOL from the 'fight me fucker' person

[ChumpDumper]

:lol Joey's writing long screeds about not caring about us at all is evergreen entertainment.

[Pauleta14]

:lmao you were crying over "fuck off" but think "go kill yourself" is fine by comparison

1 - You have lost any sense of humour, which is universally a sign of intelligence and self awareness. I'd be worried if I were you.

2 - I already pointed to ur Chump friend the diff between saying "fuck off' to end a discussion and asking a question/expecting an answer all while insulting. If u can't see the difference...

3 - I don't have a pb with being insulted or agesssed, I just have a hard time understanding how one would think it's the right way to have a convo or being taken seriously.

4 - you might not have had the chance to learn critical thinking at school, but it's never too late.

[ChumpDumper]

:lmao so passive aggressive

[Pauleta14]

:lol kori proves everything I wrote about him

Pls point in his post what you consider being an extreme position...

[koriwhat]

LOL from the 'fight me fucker' person

I LOL at you racial slurs and gay slurs you seem to spout, on the daily, here on ST. What were they again BB?

Don't get mad when you see your own reflection in that mirror, bud. :tu

[Pauleta14]

:lmao so passive aggressive

How's coping doing?

Not good i see

[ChumpDumper]

Pls point in his post what you consider being an extreme position...

you might not have to had the chance to learn critical thinking at school, but it's never too late.