Zach Lavine

[Atl Spur]

Kids pretty good at basketball huh? Since we still just throwing shit:)

[TrainOfThought5]

For the love of God, Pink This Man.

[KingKev]

Contract and injury history aside we definitely could have used a scorer like him last night.

[RC_Drunkford]

The idiocy of Ms. Cleo just keeps increasing

[CGD]

The Bulls actually looked pretty good last night. They’re moving the ball a lot more and playing faster. You also have to love Balls return to the game after his terrible injury.

[NASpurs]

Imagine having the audacity that you have authority to make a thread anytime to what's on your mind. This guy talks to himself in real life and on here. This creep quotes himself :lol

[spurraider21]

the days of pining for the DeJounte/LaVine backcourt seem so long ago

[Atl Spur]

The idiocy of Ms. Cleo just keeps increasing

Hey buddy, I’m just challenging you to a little game of who has the shittier takes :) No personal attacks etc…. Just basketball

[Atl Spur]

the days of pining for the DeJounte/LaVine backcourt seem so long ago

Who pushed for that?

[LeBowen]

While we're at dumb ideas and there's no other appropriate topic, Keldon's play last night made me think about Ingram.

He's obviously the odd man out at NOLA, he's on an expiring deal and has to play his best basketball if he's to get good offers next summer.
NOLA is also thin at C, I wouldn't mind a Keldon+Collins for Ingram trade. Maybe throw in some SRPs if they ask.
Again, we don't have to extend him, but the lack of scoring with our current rotation is disgusting.
Zach is a negative contract and Keldon isn't worth shit considering our warchest, might aswell try something.
If it fails and he walks, we get cap space.

[Atl Spur]

Imagine having the audacity that you have authority to make a thread anytime to what's on your mind. This guy talks to himself in real life and on here. This creep quotes himself :lol

You obviously need an ear to listen to you…30k post on this board to my 4,330? Bitch this is your real life! Cornball

[Atl Spur]

For the love of God, Pink This Man.

You can let these boys keep on spewing unchecked stupidity, that is your choice but not mine. Pink, green, yellow matters not to me. I come here to talk Spurs, not play with little boys who can’t accept varying opinions. I show respect to those who reciprocate on a message board as well as in real life, easy peasy lemon squeezy!

[Atl Spur]

Zach was and is a good choice for this team ; vet / young player dynamic would start to resemble that okc roster ( #1 in the west last year & favorites to compete for the ship this year ). Not shit thrown at a wall, just basketball.

[Mr. Body]

Contract and injury history aside we definitely could have used a scorer like him last night.

We should trade for Devin Vassell.

[Atl Spur]

While we're at dumb ideas and there's no other appropriate topic, Keldon's play last night made me think about Ingram.

He's obviously the odd man out at NOLA, he's on an expiring deal and has to play his best basketball if he's to get good offers next summer.
NOLA is also thin at C, I wouldn't mind a Keldon+Collins for Ingram trade. Maybe throw in some SRPs if they ask.
Again, we don't have to extend him, but the lack of scoring with our current rotation is disgusting.
Zach is a negative contract and Keldon isn't worth shit considering our warchest, might aswell try something.
If it fails and he walks, we get cap space.


Take some time and evaluate a scenario you can live with….it’ll come to you how a Zach move could benefit. We are spurs fans here to talk basketball :) God bless Spurs Talk

[Atl Spur]

We should trade for Devin Vassell.

Hmmmm. Apples vs Oranges

[KingKev]

We should trade for Devin Vassell.

haha there are some striking similarities they posses; nice stroke, neutral defenders, unlucky with injuries, solid bucket getters but Lavine is a few levels above when it comes to the final one so if the Bulls pull a fire sale I would be interested.

[RC_Drunkford]

Hey buddy, I’m just challenging you to a little game of who has the shittier takes :) No personal attacks etc…. Just basketball

everybody here knows it‘s you, you‘re just talking to yourself :lol

[scott]

the days of pining for the DeJounte/LaVine backcourt seem so long ago

It was specifically the DJM/Lavine/Banchero Seattle trio I was interested in.

Clearly the Spurs as well, and when we didn't win the Bachero lottery that is when we decided to trade DJM away. It's all or nothing baby!

[exstatic]

It was specifically the DJM/Lavine/Banchero Seattle trio I was interested in.

Clearly the Spurs as well, and when we didn't win the Bachero lottery that is when we decided to trade DJM away. It's all or nothing baby!

Am I misremembering? Didn’t DJ and Banchero have some sort of feud?

[scott]

Am I misremembering? Didn’t DJ and Banchero have some sort of feud?

There was some kind of camp/exhibition they participated in where DJ was clowning Banchero. (Turns out, Paolo is the much better basketball player, who could have thunk it).

I'm going to double down on my conspiracy theory... it's all because DJM was upset about the Seattle Trio never coming to fruition, leading to his trade, and he acted out in frustration.

[Atl Spur]

everybody here knows it‘s you, you‘re just talking to yourself :lol

Do they though? It’s all here….shall we? Bro, I’m a facts based person, I leave that message board popularity shit to you & other clowns. You’ve been on some bs for awhile; any thread I comment on you got something slick or bitchy to say. Talk

[ambchang]

While we're at dumb ideas and there's no other appropriate topic, Keldon's play last night made me think about Ingram.

He's obviously the odd man out at NOLA, he's on an expiring deal and has to play his best basketball if he's to get good offers next summer.
NOLA is also thin at C, I wouldn't mind a Keldon+Collins for Ingram trade. Maybe throw in some SRPs if they ask.
Again, we don't have to extend him, but the lack of scoring with our current rotation is disgusting.
Zach is a negative contract and Keldon isn't worth shit considering our warchest, might aswell try something.
If it fails and he walks, we get cap space.

Ingram is seeking a max, I don’t think he will get it tbh, and would have to “settle” for something in the $35m/yr range, maybe for 3 or 4 years. I’d be surprised if he can get more.

NOH will look for something more than keldon and Zollins. Both are bench player types who can start on a really bad team, and these players don’t net you an all star.

Zollins has been playing well in his role as a backup centre. Hope he gets his three pointer “back” at some point. I love keldon, love his attitude and his positivity is infectious, I just hope he can download the basketball module into his brain. He’s got everything except basketball IQ; sort of like a homeless untouchables man’s Westbrook.

[Atl Spur]

It’s time to bring him here…

[exstatic]

It’s time to bring him here…

No.

[KingKev]

Some combo of DV, Keldon, Zollins and/or Branham plus Chi 2025 FRP let’s fking gooo.

Chicago still wouldn’t that is how trash that lot is but one can dream.

[Mr. Body]

Some posters here just fundamentally don't understand anything this franchise is doing.

[DPG21920]

I think there is an argument for trading Keldon + Collins for Lavine. It’s not net neutral money every year, but it is *mostly* for next season. Where it hurts is the year after where Collins would be off the books but Lavine has his player option.

But on court, Lavine I think would actually fit really well and if you can get him without giving up much in the way of picks I think its worth a calculated gamble where the only year the money doesnt mostly line up Zach is a large expiring

[LeBowen]

I think there is an argument for trading Keldon + Collins for Lavine. It’s not net neutral money every year, but it is *mostly* for next season. Where it hurts is the year after where Collins would be off the books but Lavine has his player option.

Lavine is at 43/46/49 million in this and the next two seasons.
Keldon and Collins are at ~35.5 cominbed this and the next season.


But on court, Lavine I think would actually fit really well and if you can get him without giving up much in the way of picks I think its worth a calculated gamble where the only year the money doesnt mostly line up Zach is a large expiring

Agreed that 26-27 would be the only issue money wise, but I don't think there's a point of having both Lavine and Devin on the roster.

He's overpaid, but still a good and most importantly consistent player when healthy.
I wonder if there's a deal to be made for him to decline the player option if he performs well and then accepts a team-friendly extension. I think he's also tired of losing and he's made enough money already.
Accepting something like 75/3 instead of that 49 million option in order to probably win a ring in 2027-2029 period isn't a bad deal.

Then we'd have to deal with Devin situation. We'd have to trade him for a legit 3-D wing, imo.

My biggest concern with Lavine is his health.

[Bruno]

Stat wise, Lavine is having a very good year.

Stats aren't really the issue with Lavine. Aside of injuries, his big issue is his feel for the game. He often doesn't make the right play, takes bad shot...
Having a good team offense with Lavine would be quite a challenge.

[DPG21920]

Lavine is at 43/46/49 million in this and the next two seasons.
Keldon and Collins are at ~35.5 cominbed this and the next season.



Agreed that 26-27 would be the only issue money wise, but I don't think there's a point of having both Lavine and Devin on the roster.

He's overpaid, but still a good and most importantly consistent player when healthy.
I wonder if there's a deal to be made for him to decline the player option if he performs well and then accepts a team-friendly extension. I think he's also tired of losing and he's made enough money already.
Accepting something like 75/3 instead of that 49 million option in order to probably win a ring in 2027-2029 period isn't a bad deal.

Then we'd have to deal with Devin situation. We'd have to trade him for a legit 3-D wing, imo.

My biggest concern with Lavine is his health.

For sure on the salary part - Thats why I said *mostly*…another 8M this year difference and very well could include Branham or something to make it closer. But ya, its not exact, but being able to consolidate something close of Keldon/Collins/Branham for him I think is more than justifiable in terms of talent (and opens up the roster spots for the extra draft picks SA has).

Lavine def has warts and it’s not a guarantee, but Im talking risk reward. If you can get away with basically swapping just salaries and only one of them is a rotation player (Keldon)? Thats very low risk for not much more money while keeping most of your draft capital.

It’s the “cheap” way to take a swing on talent (cheap meaning keeping picks and most of your talent) - but of course that path comes with risk (Lavine health + last year of money). It’s a trade off.

[DPG21920]

Stat wise, Lavine is having a very good year.

Stats aren't really the issue with Lavine. Aside of injuries, his big issue is his feel for the game. He often doesn't make the right play, takes bad shot...
Having a good team offense with Lavine would be quite a challenge.

Agree - but if you look at the scenario does Keldon/Collins/Branham (for salaries going out) make better plays or help the offense all that much? So to me, while what you say is true for sure about Lavine, you aren’t giving up something that is better than that or his talent and ability. At least with Lavine bad decisions/feel you get the talent too to help make up for it some.

But ya, its not a clear cut case of SA doing something here, but I think its justifiable IF the price was something like Keldon+Collins+Branham since other than Lavines last year (which he would be expiring at least then) the money isnt that material of a difference IMO whether its paying Keldon+Branham+Collins vs just paying Lavine (and having open roster spots for the tons of extra picks SA has)

[LeBowen]

It’s the “cheap” way to take a swing on talent (cheap meaning keeping picks and most of your talent) - but of course that path comes with risk (Lavine health + last year of money). It’s a trade off.

Yeah, I get your point and it's very reasonable.

If we're to upgrade to an actual star, we're going to have to send picks the other way.
Difference between Keldon+Collins going the other way as salary or Lavine would probably be just an additional FRP due to an extra year on his contract. But that FRP would be given up only if Lavine fails and at that point maybe it's even worth the gamble? I'm honestly not sure, but after yet another game where our offense grinds to a halt, I'm getting desperate.

Bulls want to get rid of him and Vucevic to enable the tank, the most they'd ask for would be their pick back alongside taking Keldon and Collins.

[Bruno]

Agree - but if you look at the scenario does Keldon/Collins/Branham (for salaries going out) make better plays or help the offense all that much? So to me, while what you say is true for sure about Lavine, you aren’t giving up something that is better than that or his talent and ability. At least with Lavine bad decisions/feel you get the talent too to help make up for it some.

But ya, its not a clear cut case of SA doing something here, but I think its justifiable IF the price was something like Keldon+Collins+Branham since other than Lavines last year (which he would be expiring at least then) the money isnt that material of a difference IMO whether its paying Keldon+Branham+Collins vs just paying Lavine (and having open roster spots for the tons of extra picks SA has)

Yep, Keldon isn't really better than Lavine at making decision. The difference is that Keldon plays a more limited role than Lavine and has less negative impact. Spurs would surely win more games by adding Lavine but there is a good chance that it hurts the development of a player like Castle.

I think that the 2026/27 extra year is a big deal. If Spurs want Fox without giving too much in a trade, the scenario would be: Fox saying to Kings this summer that he won't re-sign with them, that he wants to be traded to SA and that if they don't do it, he will sign with Spurs as a FA the following summer. This scenario only works if Spurs have enough capspace in 2026. Keeping that 2026 capspace until this summer just give Spurs some significant trade leverage.

I'm fine with Spurs using Keldon, Collins, Branham, Wesley... contract to go after a big contract as long as it ends in 2026. Players like McCollum, Anfernee Simons, John Collins, Nurkic, Marcus Smart, Huerter could be potential trade targets.

[LeBowen]

Yep, Keldon isn't really better than Lavine at making decision. The difference is that Keldon plays a more limited role than Lavine and has less negative impact. Spurs would surely win more games by adding Lavine but there is a good chance that it hurts the development of a player like Castle.

Would it? The biggest issue for Castle is not having spacing around him, as evidenced by his awful stats with the bench lineup.
Ideal scenario for Castle would be three shooters and Wemby. Something like Castle/Lavine/Champ/Barnes/Wemby.


I think that the 2026/27 extra year is a big deal. If Spurs want Fox without giving too much in a trade, the scenario would be: Fox saying to Kings this summer that he won't re-sign with them, that he wants to be traded to SA and that if they don't do it, he will sign with Spurs as a FA the following summer. This scenario only works if Spurs have enough capspace in 2026. Keeping that 2026 capspace until this summer just give Spurs some significant trade leverage.

I think it all comes down to what's PATFO's view on Castle. Do they see him as a potential Jrue 2.0, a full time point guard or they think he'll be more of a mini-Jimmy and play next to a point guard.

[DPG21920]

Yep, Keldon isn't really better than Lavine at making decision. The difference is that Keldon plays a more limited role than Lavine and has less negative impact. Spurs would surely win more games by adding Lavine but there is a good chance that it hurts the development of a player like Castle.

I think that the 2026/27 extra year is a big deal. If Spurs want Fox without giving too much in a trade, the scenario would be: Fox saying to Kings this summer that he won't re-sign with them, that he wants to be traded to SA and that if they don't do it, he will sign with Spurs as a FA the following summer. This scenario only works if Spurs have enough capspace in 2026. Keeping that 2026 capspace until this summer just give Spurs some significant trade leverage.

I'm fine with Spurs using Keldon, Collins, Branham, Wesley... contract to go after a big contract as long as it ends in 2026. Players like McCollum, Anfernee Simons, John Collins, Nurkic, Marcus Smart, Huerter could be potential trade targets.

For sure - that’s all sort of included in my mind in terms of trade offs. SA doesnt take on Lavine if they think they have plans for that FA year where Lavine’s 3rd year is an issue (although IMO while its not as clean, since hes expiring and spurs have a lot of picks, Im pretty sure they could find a way to off load a lot of the salary using some picks if they need to. Not exactly an efficient way, but unless they have a very clear read on someone demanding a trade to SA or a FA at that time, they may not get to do it the optimal way).

It’s definitely a lot of factors though for sure and its why I think if it were to happen, it would have to be on SA terms and a value for them (as in ridding themselves of Collins/Branham etc…and not using any picks)

It’s why Brandon Ingram intrigues me. If SA views him as an expiring deal and can get NO to bite on taking salary for next year (Collins + Barnes) for something like a lotto protected first?

Might be the sweet spot. Get a look at how a high usage scorer fits next to Wemby, clear salary a year early (can just let Ingram walk) and all it takes is a lotto protected pick to dump those salaries while getting a peak at a talented player that may fit well (even if odds are slim there)

[DPG21920]

And TBH im all for being patient. These are just concepts of how SA may be able to hedge winning now and taking a swing to make playoffs while keeping majority of assets in tact. But if you think someone like Fox can come in FA or that Ant Edwards may want out you need to just be patient and not give up on those opportunities to rush something this season.

[LeBowen]

And TBH im all for being patient.

The line between blowing the load too early and waiting for too long is really delicate in modern NBA.
Wemby has two more years on his rookie contract and it would be a huge disservice to him if he doesn't get a legit roster as soon as the next season.

I'm also not for kneejerk moves just because someone is available, but some moves need to be made even before this deadline.
And we have some risky players on our roster.

Devin is still seen as a good asset around the league, but he's just not the player we expected him to be. There's still time for him to improve, but it's his 5th year and I don't think he'll ever become a good decision maker.
If he continues playing like this, the rest of the league will see it and then we have another Keldon on our hands. We could've easily had a FRP or another solid player for Keldon, but now he's worthless.

Jeremy is also seen as a solid asset, but with his extension coming up, things could go wrong if he doesn't develop a servicable jumpshot.

If Fox asks out before the deadline, we could probably get him with Devin, Jeremy and one or two solid FRPs.
If he asks out in the summer and Devin continues playing like this? Then we'd need to add more picks, despite him having less time remaining on his deal.
There's also obviously the other side and we could fuck up by trading Devin and then he develops somewhere else. But that's all risk management. PATFO needs to make the right decisions.

[mo7888]

LaVine's salary and injury history along with their inability to get anybody to bite on him for a year tells me he's seen as a negative asset around the league. Would I give Collins and Keldon for him straight up? Maybe.... probably....but I'm not giving any 1st's for him...I doubt anyone else will either unless it's part of a bigger deal somehow..

[Kurik]

If swapping Lavine for Keldon & Collins and maybe second round picks is a possibility I think the benefits outweigh the cons. I’m all for waiting to see what happens with the Suns/Kings first but I think getting Lavine shows Wemby the Spurs are trying if no other paths develop and it’s not a long commitment. Make Vassell the 6th man.

[scott]

Was only interested in Lavine in the scenario where we got lucky in the 2022 Draft, Got Banchero, and built the Seattle Core with DJM, Zach and Paolo.

Although, I wonder if there is some kind of Southside Mexican Voodoo lady who can lift the curse off of Zach's knees (hasn't worked for Bassey, tbh).

[scott]

If swapping Lavine for Keldon & Collins and maybe second round picks is a possibility I think the benefits outweigh the cons. I’m all for waiting to see what happens with the Suns/Kings first but I think getting Lavine shows Wemby the Spurs are trying if no other paths develop and it’s not a long commitment. Make Vassell the 6th man.

Lavine would also make a fantastic 6th man in this league, tbh, but like most no-defense scoring chuck machines, they want to get paid too much and all have main character syndrome. Lavine, Vassell, Cam Thomas, etc should all go to therapy sessions together.

[poopbox]

Two years ago if you had wanted to do a Devin for Zach trade I would have said no way cause Devin is going to be a better all around player...instead Devin has become less efficient and at least as bad a defender as Zach and I probably only say no because of the money...if the money difference was smaller I'd probably do it straight up.

[scott]

https://i.ibb.co/2MP151m/spotrac-nba-trade-machine-1736122790831.png

Posted this in the Trade Ideas thread. I think this works better than Lavine to SA or Vassell to SAC.

Insert draft picks as needed. My guess would be CHI25 back to CHI for taking the worst player of the deal, and maybe two picks to SAC.

[baseline bum]

https://i.ibb.co/2MP151m/spotrac-nba-trade-machine-1736122790831.png

Posted this in the Trade Ideas thread. I think this works better than Lavine to SA or Vassell to SAC.

Insert draft picks as needed. My guess would be CHI25 back to CHI for taking the worst player of the deal, and maybe two picks to SAC.

I'd be thinking one pick or none to Sac if they're getting Lavine and Chicago gets their pick back.

[Seventyniner]

Shit, if the Kings are trying to be the Bulls of the West might as well throw Vuc in the deal too.

[scott]

I'd be thinking one pick or none to Sac if they're getting Lavine and Chicago gets their pick back.

Kangz would have to be several demented to just swap Fox for Lavine. But... they are the Kangz...

[baseline bum]

Kangz would have to be several demented to just swap Fox for Lavine. But... they are the Kangz...

I mean they wouldn't be doing it because they wanted to; they'd be doing it to not lose him for nothing in a year.

[scott]

I mean they wouldn't be doing it because they wanted to; they'd be doing it to not lose him for nothing in a year.

They've got a lot of time to figure it out (a season and a half). I don't think they are anywhere near desperation mode yet.

[Kurik]

Once you become a Spurs Killer you are destined to make it to the team. Just maybe in 4-5 years before retirement.

[KingKev]

Zach for DV or Keldon plus Zollins, Branham, 2025 Chi FRP.

Let’s fking go

[Atl Spur]

I come here for laughs…lol. Zach better than anyone on our team not named Victor! This place is a clown show….

[scott]

Lavine put a clinic on for Devin tonight on how to be a high level oft-injured, no defense chucker. That's how a regrettable max contract is earned, Yung Dev

[Atl Spur]

Lavine put a clinic on for Devin tonight on how to be a high level oft-injured, no defense chucker. That's how a regrettable max contract is earned, Yung Dev

Sir, you don’t know basketball but you’re not the only one on this board:) it’s comical how you can’t just complement the man and admit you got it wrong….

[ambchang]

Lavine would be a good complement for wemby if:
1) his contract is closed to $35M a year
2) he plays better defence (I think he’s too broken at this point, it that he’s not trying)
3) we have another creator on the team and
4) lavine is willing to be a 3rd option.


Alas I don’t think any of the above is/will be true so no thanks.

[BatManu20]

Lavine always seems to go off against the Spurs tbh. Then he returns back to his overrated, chucking self when he plays other bottom-feeder rosters.

[KingKev]

Lavine put a clinic on for Devin tonight on how to be a high level oft-injured, no defense chucker. That's how a regrettable max contract is earned, Yung Dev

Some truth to this cept Devin’s absolute ceiling is a poor man’s Bradley Beal, CJ McCollum, D-Lo or Lavine.

[KingKev]

Lavine always seems to go off against the Spurs tbh. Then he returns back to his overrated, chucking self when he plays other bottom-feeder rosters.

Maybe a testament to just how bad we have been these last 5 years. Contract aside, when healthy he has been incredibly efficient AND consistent for quite some time.

Keep in mind he makes what Keldon, Zollins and Branham make.

[spurraider21]

Lavine always seems to go off against the Spurs tbh. Then he returns back to his overrated, chucking self when he plays other bottom-feeder rosters.
he's averaging 23 with 52/44/82 shooting for the season

he's been good all year tbh

[spurraider21]

Some truth to this cept Devin’s absolute ceiling is a poor man’s Bradley Beal, CJ McCollum, D-Lo or Lavine.
man, i was hoping he'd become closer to middleton, smh

[scott]

he's averaging 23 with 52/44/82 shooting for the season

he's been good all year tbh

Yeah, he's always been a reliable scorer, just not reliable health-wise and certainly not a good defender. But as I believe it was Dejounte who pointed out - you can live with a poor defender if they're an elite scorer, and Lavine is that (been pretty much around 90th percentile in O-LEBRON for the majority of his career). If Devin could consistently perform on offense to Lavine's level, he might be more tolerable.

[KingKev]

I’m only pounding the table on Lavine because he is a plug and play AS caliber scorer who would be an instant complement to Wemby. Also because Wemby was ready to make a solid playoff push yesterday.

Lavine’s injury history is bad but also par for the course for many prolific scorers in this day/age and already reflected in the price he likely could be had for. His D is sub par but as such astute posters like Dejounte (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=51342) and scott (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=150) have pointed out he is an ELITE scorer. Also, his ability to rehab after knee surgery and foot surgery is a testament to his work ethic. I truly believe in the correct system he could be an average to positive perimeter defender while still being a solid # 2 or 3 option. That stroke will age well even as the athleticism fades.

Coach Pop raved about Lavines willingness to defer offensively and simply play a role on that 2020 USA gold winning team. The same willingness that likely kept guys like Tatum and Brown from getting the show in 2024. I don’t understand some of the reservations is he really could be had for our scraps and an FRP.

Replace two of Vassel, Keldon and Zollins with Lavine and we are now firmly in the playoff picture and one piece away from a deep playoff run.

[Atl Spur]

I’m only pounding the table on Lavine because he is a plug and play AS caliber scorer who would be an instant complement to Wemby. Also because Wemby was ready to make a solid playoff push yesterday.

Lavine’s injury history is bad but also par for the course for many prolific scorers in this day/age and already reflected in the price he likely could be had for. His D is sub par but as such astute posters like Dejounte (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=51342) and scott (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=150) have pointed out he is an ELITE scorer. Also, his ability to rehab after knee surgery and foot surgery is a testament to his work ethic. I truly believe in the correct system he could be an average to positive perimeter defender while still being a solid # 2 or 3 option. That stroke will age well even as the athleticism fades.

Coach Pop raved about Lavines willingness to defer offensively and simply play a role on that 2020 USA gold winning team. The same willingness that likely kept guys like Tatum and Brown from getting the show in 2024. I don’t understand some of the reservations is he really could be had for our scraps and an FRP.

Replace two of Vassel, Keldon and Zollins with Lavine and we are now firmly in the playoff picture and one piece away from a deep playoff run.

Shut up bum! lol

[KobesAchilles]

People complaining about DV being a dumbass but then wanting ZL :lol

[KingKev]

Lavine 5 straight 30+ games

https://twitter.com/NBATV/status/1877975849049227635

[rankingtear]

2 skills that magnify Wemby is unselfish passing and perimeter defense. Not really things associated with Zach Lavine.

[Mr. Body]

2 skills that magnify Wemby is unselfish passing and perimeter defense. Not really things associated with Zach Lavine.

Zach Lavine is like a Russell Westbrook who never won anything remotely important. Both went to UCLA too, right?

[KingKev]

Zach Lavine is like a Russell Westbrook who never won anything remotely important. Both went to UCLA too, right?

Very different games. Zach Lavine is an efficient scorer with a reliable 3 ball. Exactly what we need. You sound like the type of person who is still waiting for the head chealeader to fuck you when you couldn’t close the fattest girl in baking school.

Lavine is overpaid admittedly but could serve a purpose. You know who else is overpaid? Keldon, Vassell and especially Zollins. OBJECTIVELY.

[itzsoweezee]

I’d much rather have Levine than Beal, Zion, Ingram, and some of the other names I see getting thrown around here. Lavine + a real backup big mean Wemby is an actually playing with a competitive team.

[Atl Spur]

Zach Lavine is like a Russell Westbrook who never won anything remotely important. Both went to UCLA too, right?

Sir, stop it! No long explanation why you need to either:) You know better…

[BatManu20]

If LaVine were younger and fit Wemby's timeline better then I'm sure PATFO would be much more willing to give up capital for him. He's about to be on the wrong side of 30 in a couple months and is owed $95 Million over the next couple years. Have a feeling they'd rather wait and see what happens this Summer with Fox and some of the other potential trade targets then go from there.

[ambchang]

Age isn’t a huge issue for me tbh, wemby is 21 and if health permits he will cycle through multiple number 2s in his career.

Duncan went from robinson (much older) to manu to Tony (often as a pair but I felt they had different peaks) and kawhi to a degree.

[Kurik]

I’d prefer Lavine for 2 years and experimenting with that versus locking someone up long term. Compared to the commitment it would require for other current targets the risk would be lower overall and you could simply reset in 2 years but at least it’s an attempt to take advantage of Wemby’s growth in year 3.

[tbdog]

Spurs are clearly want to have cap space for 2026 off season. They could pivot for the 2025 offseason. For 2026, it's their last chance to utilise their cap until Wemby is on the rookie supermax. Lavine eats that cap space because he'll be on the books until 2027 off season. Spurs are not targeting Lavine at all.

[scott]

Spurs are clearly want to have cap space for 2026 off season. They could pivot for the 2025 offseason. For 2026, it's their last chance to utilise their cap until Wemby is on the rookie supermax. Lavine eats that cap space because he'll be on the books until 2027 off season. Spurs are not targeting Lavine at all.

Here is the list of Free Agents that summer: https://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/_/year/2026/sort/contract_value

tbh, gotta make sure we have the Cap Space to give Zach Collins his next bag

[ohmwrecker]

Overrated

[Atl Spur]

Castle, Lavine, Devin, Sochan, Wemby = playoffs. Zach could be our new Derrick Anderson….

[Atl Spur]

This man got snubbed as an all-star! Only 4 players in the league average 24 points, 50 percent fg shooting, 40+ three point shooting and three of them are all-star starters! We need to get this man asap!

[tbdog]

Castle, Lavine, Devin, Sochan, Wemby = playoffs. Zach could be our new Derrick Anderson….

Very weak wing defense there. It's fine and yes a playoff team.

[Atl Spur]

Very weak wing defense there. It's fine and yes a playoff team.

There are very few who are both great scorers and defenders like prime Kawhi. This lineup has three good to great shooters, three good to great defenders, two ball handlers / initiators, and height ( the shortest person is 6”5 ). We’ll lose minimum draft assets taking this route while still being competitive, a win win!

[Atl Spur]

Paul, Branham/wesley , HB, mamu , bassey is a serviceable second unit. Keep drafting pieces to replace positions while still competing at a high level. Zack , Trey, keldon, and chicago’s 25 first round pick gone in the trade.

[CGD]

No but he should go the Kings as part of the Spurs Fox deal. Kings have been eying him for some time apparently. Chicago get off that deal and get their pick back from us.

[KingKev]

Paul, Branham/wesley , HB, mamu , bassey is a serviceable second unit. Keep drafting pieces to replace positions while still competing at a high level. Zack , Trey, keldon, and chicago’s 25 first round pick gone in the trade.

I think the asking price has moved up a tad but I’d still lift that in a minute. Hell, I’ll get flamed for this but a Fox/Lavine backcourt with Castle/Sochan/Wemby front line intrigues me. Enough size and length to make up for the defensive deficiencies in the backcourt and some real offensive power.

[Atl Spur]

I think the asking price has moved up a tad but I’d still lift that in a minute. Hell, I’ll get flamed for this but a Fox/Lavine backcourt with Castle/Sochan/Wemby front line intrigues me. Enough size and length to make up for the defensive deficiencies in the backcourt and some real offensive power.

I could get with that!

[BackHome]

Castle, Lavine, Devin, Sochan, Wemby = playoffs. Zach could be our new Derrick Anderson….

Castle and Sochan both can’t shoot so it might get us 5 more wins

[Strategic]

Sochan not only can’t shoot, he doesn’t know when to not shoot. I coach 9 year olds that get up shots quicker than Jeremy, with better form. No complaints about his D though, just so he guards perimeter shooters.

[Atl Spur]

Castle and Sochan both can’t shoot so it might get us 5 more wins

5 more wins you say? Saweet!

[Atl Spur]

I told you he can play…..

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Maybe Lavine instead of fox was the way

[exstatic]

Lavine has only played 70+ games 3 times in his career. He’s a fucking china doll. Fox, in a shorter career, played 70+ 4 times, and never played less than 50, which Lavine has done 4 times, including 2 seasons of less than 30 games played.

[Kevin]

We could have both Lavine and Fox if they were willing to trade Dev. Wish they would have. LaVine is the player people think or hope Dev is or will be.

[exstatic]

We could have both Lavine and Fox if they were willing to trade Dev. Wish they would have. LaVine is the player people think or hope Dev is or will be.

No. They will both make $50+ on their next deals,and Wemby will be on a SuperMax. Big Threes are done in the era of the Second Apron. I’d rather have Castle than Lavine,anyway.

[dn0774]

Lavine is a hell of a player, that should never have been a question. I just wouldn't feel comfortable betting on those knees at this point.

[baseline bum]

Lavine is a hell of a player, that should never have been a question. I just wouldn't feel comfortable betting on those knees at this point.

Yeah throwing money at Lavine would be scary. Kind of reminds me how Baron Davis one year would look like a league MVP capable player and then next year he'd be a total scrub. Obviously Lavine has never been what Baron was in a good year but they definitely seem to have that Dr Jekyl/Mr Hyde aspect down.

[Atl Spur]

No. They will both make $50+ on their next deals,and Wemby will be on a SuperMax. Big Threes are done in the era of the Second Apron. I’d rather have Castle than Lavine,anyway.

Keldon + dev’s contracts match Zach’s over the next couple of years! Sacramento wanted to stay competitive so here we are…… the salaries were a non-factor

[Robz4000]

Have zero regrets about the Fox trade outside giving up the Minny pick tbh. Spurs got the best player period.

[exstatic]

Have zero regrets about the Fox trade outside giving up the Minny pick tbh. Spurs got the best player period.

The two big assets were the Minny 20131 pick,and the CHI pick back to Chicago. We got the Minny pick by flipping the 2024 #8 overall Poeltl pick,and the CHI pick came from the DeRozan S&T, so we traded Scumbag in 2018 for Fox today.

[spursistan]

Have zero regrets about the Fox trade outside giving up the Minny pick tbh. Spurs got the best player period.
After a hot start, the Kings are 2-8 in their last 10 and Lavine is as empty calories-ish as ever.

Not only that, but the fact that Fox is 2 years and 9 months younger than Zach Lavine is huge in terms of timing better with Wemby and Castle..

[mystargtr34]

Kings are ass full of empty calories high stats guys.

They should start tanking I think to keep their top 12 protected pick. That fucks Atlanta too.

[exstatic]

After a hot start, the Kings are 2-8 in their last 10 and Lavine is as empty calories-ish as
Not only that, but the fact that Fox is 2 years and 9 months younger than Zach Lavine is huge in terms of timing better with Wemby and Castle..


Kings are ass full of empty calories high stats guys.

They should start tanking I think to keep their top 12 protected pick. That fucks Atlanta too.

They may already have started.

[scott]

I have sympathy for Kings fans. They are extremely loyal, great fans... constantly being cucked by their incompetent ownership. The Maloofs were fucking clowns but at least they put together a competitive team for a stretch there (whatever happened to them? I wouldn't be shocked to learn they are in jail somewhere for some kind of massive fraud... they seemed like those types of dudes. I wonder if it comes down to it one day, the NBA will protect the Spurs the way they protected the Kings from moving to Seattle).

The saddest part to me is the way Kangz fans just come to expect this from their team. They've been beaten into submissive obedience. I'd love to see their fans get rewarded for their loyalty at some point.

[LeBowen]

They've been beaten into submissive obedience.

I wonder which fanbase reminds me of this...

[scott]

I wonder which fanbase reminds me of this...

There are similarities, though not perfectly analogous, that should be taken as lessons so they are not repeated.

Be patient. Don't skip steps. We have a plan. Pound the rock.

[BatManu20]

The biggest issue with LaVine is that he's such an atrocious defender that whatever he gives you offensively, he's going to give most of it back on the other end. And if he's not scoring 25+ ppg, he's just a net negative player altogether.

[timtonymanu]

Maybe Lavine instead of fox was the way

Your my dude but lol at this take

[baseline bum]

The biggest issue with LaVine is that he's such an atrocious defender that whatever he gives you offensively, he's going to give most of it back on the other end. And if he's not scoring 25+ ppg, he's just a net negative player altogether.

2025 Derek Anderson

[spurraider21]

i dont hate LaVine because i have specific expectations of him. he's usually a more consistent/efficient version of the Evan we've seen for the last couple of seasons. main character-ish offensive player who doesnt contribute defensively. the kings arent exactly the environment to make use of that skillset, since they have a number of playmaker types in sabonis/derozan/monk and nobody there plays defense

he did have a couple of nice games immediately after the trade, but kings fans realize the honeymoon period is over. its funny, a couple of games in, many of them on reddit thought lavine was the best player in the deal and that they managed to upgrade while also receiving picks. reality has set in now.

with Evan showing signs of life on defense lately, i just hope thats a sign of things to come

[scott]

i dont hate LaVine because i have specific expectations of him. he's usually a more consistent/efficient version of the Evan we've seen for the last couple of seasons. main character-ish offensive player who doesnt contribute defensively. the kings arent exactly the environment to make use of that skillset, since they have a number of playmaker types in sabonis/derozan/monk and nobody there plays defense

he did have a couple of nice games immediately after the trade, but kings fans realize the honeymoon period is over. its funny, a couple of games in, many of them on reddit thought lavine was the best player in the deal and that they managed to upgrade while also receiving picks. reality has set in now.

with Evan showing signs of life on defense lately, i just hope thats a sign of things to come

I like that Evan has become an event creator on the defensive end as of late. He's still a sieve, but if you're going to be a sieve, at least be one who creates events on the defensive end - and YungDev0 is doing just that (something that Lavine, who is the 95% outcome of Devin offensively, never does). Gotta give him props there.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Your my dude but lol at this take

Lavine has struggled for sure but Fox looked pretty mediocre too. Lavine definitely shoots the ball better.


Let’s see if the surgery helps.

[ambchang]

I’ve never really understood the desire to take on lavine. Great scorer, not a particularly good facilitator, not durable, terrible defender, at an even worse contract. He has never been on a winning team, let alone the driver of a winning team. He’s like derozan with range but without the passing, or rich man’s Vassell with a uber rich man’s salary.

I’m pushing the wiggins idea again. If we want a player like that might as well get wiggins. Wiggins is like 85% the offensive player lavine is, with better defence (more an indictment on lavine), proven a capable 3rd option on a winning team, and half the price. And he’s likely to come cheap.

[Ice009]

I was never really interested in Wiggins, but I am warming up to your idea now. Especially if it means maybe moving Devin in the process.