The Entire Front Office and Coaching Staff Needs a Rebuild

[scott]

Does this post come out of frustration? Yes.

Is it going to sound like a broken record? Maybe.

Is it just recency bias? Well, how many years can we logically extend the concept of recency to?

The fact is, that this entire front office and coaching staff - From RC, Pop, Brian Wright, Brett Brown, Jimmy Baron, whoever the fuck that Australian guy is - all the way down to whomever designs these atrocious jerseys, needs a complete overhaul.

The only positive progress this franchise has made since the Big 3 retired is to suck hard enough to luck into Victor Wembanyama. The on-court strategy and tactics, scouting, team construction, development, and culture of this team since the Big 3 flat out SUCKS.

It's easy for the people orchestrating the suckage to preach the virtue of patience, since they're the beneficiary of a longer rope. To make an analogy to Pop's least favorite role model... this is exactly like Trump telling us he's going to unveil his health care plan very soon. Just keep on waiting, rubes! Patience!

Pop and RC are GOATs. The franchise and its fanbase owe them a debt of gratitude. We, as fans, however, do not owe them an indefinite amount of patience while they milk our team for millions while they perform at league-worst levels.

Brian Wright, on the other hand, has never constructed a winning roster throughout his entire career. I'll give him credit, he's great as stripping the vehicle for parts and getting as much return as possible with the scraps - but that does not build a winning team. He's clearly NOT a turnaround guy... he's a liquidation sale guy. All you sniffers applauding trading away #8 for a 20131 pick based on the rationale that we'll need that pick for when we're in the peak of our championship contention window... talk about putting the cart before the horse!

As for the entire Graphic Design team. I'm sure you are all nice people. But you are horrible graphic designers. You are the reason AI is going to displace actual humans in these roles. Please find new careers immediately.

/Rant

[LeBowen]

Lmao, spot on.

If not for 14% lottery win, right now we'd be the worst team in the league, no contest.
5 years in the lottery (7 FRPs) and more or less guaranteed to make it 6, despite lucking into a GOAT level prospect.

Not that long ago we used to laugh at parennial lottery teams that just couldn't put it together, despite getting multiple top5 picks, while PATFO pulled good players out of their asses and kept competing.
Right now Spurs led by PATFO are a textbook example of a franchise we used to laugh at.

[objective]

Coyote needs to step his game up and smuggle in a new coach from overseas

[Mal]

Whoever is responsible for couple last draft needs to go. All picks were missed (not counting Wemby, because toddler would pick him with 1). Sochan, Castle maybe decent eventually, but both were top10 picks. Rest was just terrible

[RC_Drunkford]

you are saying what I been saying since the 2017 offseason. You're kinda late to the party

[LeBowen]

Whoever is responsible for couple last draft needs to go. All picks were missed (not counting Wemby, because toddler would pick him with 1). Sochan, Castle maybe decent eventually, but both were top10 picks. Rest was just terrible

Tbf, Castle looks like he'll be a great pick considering what were our options.
But in that same draft we traded away a #8 pick for a FRP 7 years down the road while having Keldon/Jeremy/Champagnie/Mamu/Sidy wing rotation. Won't even mention Barnes, he's a short-term veteran solution.
If any of those wings that were available at #8 develops into a legit player, someone has to answer.

2022 was an unmitigated disaster.
Jeremy is the biggest positive in these 4 games, but let's be real, Jalen Williams is a way better player. Spurs went with the non-shooting wing for unknown reasons.
Two picks after Branham were Braun and Kessler. Enough said.
Jovic, Nembhard, Jaylin Williams were picked after Wesley. But they went with a non-shooting guard.

2021 really exposed their scouting abilities.

I won't hold picking Devin against them because he's a legit NBA player, unlike 2021 and 2022 scrubs.
But if they passed on Haliburton because we had DJ and Derrick only to trade them shortly after, it's another example of zero long-term strategy.

Keldon salvaged 2019 draft, but Samanic pick was RC's random swing on a player noone else rated.

[rjv]

wholesale changes of sports teams rarely works out.

[poopbox]

Lmao, spot on.

If not for 14% lottery win, right now we'd be the worst team in the league, no contest.
5 years in the lottery (7 FRPs) and more or less guaranteed to make it 6, despite lucking into a GOAT level prospect.

Not that long ago we used to laugh at parennial lottery teams that just couldn't put it together, despite getting multiple top5 picks, while PATFO pulled good players out of their asses and kept competing.
Right now Spurs led by PATFO are a textbook example of a franchise we used to laugh at.

Between Primo, Luka, Branhim, and Blake, we have thrown away 4 first round picks on 2 players who are barely nba players and 2 players who are legit not even in the nba:lol

This is the shit "the process" 76ers used to do or the Kings spent a decade doing :lol

[Chomag]

Sniffers here will tell you "5 rings"
A true definition of entitlement... because of how good they were years ago that they should not be held accountable of anything on how they perform at the job today.

[scott]

Unfortunately I cannot find these stats, but I was curious at what the longest sub .500 streak for an NBA coach and GM are.

Maybe some old school guys had some long streaks, but I have to imagine most, if not all, get fired before they hit year 6 (with each year progressively worse, I might add!)

[LeBowen]

Unfortunately I cannot find these stats, but I was curious at what the longest sub .500 streak for an NBA coach and GM are.

Maybe some old school guys had some long streaks, but I have to imagine most, if not all, get fired before they hit year 6 (with each year progressively worse, I might add!)

Jerry Sloan was deemed senile after 39W season, despite it being his only second losing season ever. And it's not like he didn't have to replace his two stars in a stacked West.
We need our Deron Williams, tbh.

[RC_Drunkford]

btw has there ever been a franchise that mispells the name of their players on the back of their jersey every year?

https://i.ibb.co/cXZg53J/blake-welsey-v0-5p981wh5e0yd1.webp

does Pop tell them: "Keep pounding the rock, you'll spell the names right eventually" or how is that happening all the time now?

[exstatic]

Unfortunately I cannot find these stats, but I was curious at what the longest sub .500 streak for an NBA coach and GM are.

Maybe some old school guys had some long streaks, but I have to imagine most, if not all, get fired before they hit year 6 (with each year progressively worse, I might add!)

Can’t find that exact stat, but on the bbref coaches register, if you sort by wins, there are two coaches, Bill Fitch and Dick Motta, who both have over 900 wins and 25 seasons each, and have a sub .500 records, Fitch at .460 and Motta at .479. Not sure about consecutives, but both of those had to include many sub .500 seasons.

Fitch is in the HOF, probably mainly due to his stint with Boston. I guess Doc Rivers wasn’t the first to coast off that and continue to get undeserved jobs.

[Leetonidas]

You obviously hate this team and should drink bleach

[exstatic]

Jerry Sloan was deemed senile after 39W season, despite it being his only second losing season ever. And it's not like he didn't have to replace his two stars in a stacked West.
We need our Deron Williams, tbh.

I watched a podcast with Deron as a guest, and he acknowledged that he was wrong at the time to do what he did.

[RC_Drunkford]

Gregg Popovich Told Bam Adebayo He ‘Wasn’t Readyhttps://www.slamonline.com/news/nba/gregg-popovich-told-bam-adebayo-he-wasnt-ready/


not ready Adebayo averaged 16/10/5/1/1 that season and became an All-Star. Pop picked Brook Lopez and Mason Plumlee over him. Plumlee's stats: 7/5/2/0.7/1

That was 2020. He went senile a longass time ago.

[Mugen]

Anybody who still thinks the old man is an above average NBA coach at this stage is obviously delusional. There are zero people at his age that are still competent at their profession tbh. Unfortunately, he used his wife's death to hijack the franchise and we won't sniff relevancy again until after he's gone.

BWrong's greatest achievement as a GM is to literally get lucky on a ping pong ball bounce :lol

He's done literally nothing else to show that he can even come close to building a contending team. I'm much more worried about the leash he has since he's not 1000 years old like Pop tbh.

[Seventyniner]

btw has there ever been a franchise that mispells the name of their players on the back of their jersey every year?

Blake is actually the Dread Pirate Roberts. They have to misspell his name to throw everyone off the scent.

[MultiTroll]

Not sure about consecutives, but both of those had to include many sub .500 seasons.

Fitch is in the HOF, probably mainly due to his stint with Boston.
Fitch never went more then 5 years with sub .500 with one team.
He did, at the end of his career go sub with
New Jersey 3 straight.
Clippers 4 straight.

So 7 years in a row aye? Nope, not to me. For one thing scott asked if any made it to year 6 without being canned. Fitch was canned, changed teams.
We all knew and know Donald Sterling had no intention of winning. So for Fitch to pull some fat checks while living in LA in his retirement years, good for him.

[exstatic]

Fitch never went more then 5 years with sub .500 with one team.
He did, at the end of his career go sub with
New Jersey 3 straight.
Clippers 4 straight.

So 7 years in a row aye? Nope, not to me. For one thing scott asked if any made it to year 6 without being canned. Fitch was canned, changed teams.
We all knew and know Donald Sterling had no intention of winning. So for Fitch to pull some fat checks while living in LA in his retirement years, good for him.

Bill Fitch started his career with 5 years sub .500 in Cleveland, and coached there for another 4 more. It might help to come with facts before you press that reply button.

[tim_duncan_fan]

On the topic of the coaching staff's accountability for the lack of success over the last 6 years and Pop's ability as a coach, I have but one question:

Talent aside and physical gifts aside, have the players often looked well-prepared? We have been consistently leaving the other team's best 3-point shooter open for nearly a decade.

[scott]

Shot...


Fitch never went more then 5 years with sub .500 with one team.
He did, at the end of his career go sub with
New Jersey 3 straight.
Clippers 4 straight.

So 7 years in a row aye? Nope, not to me. For one thing scott asked if any made it to year 6 without being canned. Fitch was canned, changed teams.
We all knew and know Donald Sterling had no intention of winning. So for Fitch to pull some fat checks while living in LA in his retirement years, good for him.


Bill Fitch started his career with 5 years sub .500 in Cleveland, and coached there for another 4 more.

Chaser...

It might help to come with facts before you press that reply button.

[objective]

Don't worry, when RC and Pop finally move on then Brian Wright will just hire even more cronies with zero accomplishments from his Pistons and Lottery Magic stints

[GAustex]

Wish Elon would buy them

[tbdog]

On the topic of the coaching staff's accountability for the lack of success over the last 6 years and Pop's ability as a coach, I have but one question:

Talent aside and physical gifts aside, have the players often looked well-prepared? We have been consistently leaving the other team's best 3-point shooter open for nearly a decade.

23/24 - 23rd opp 3P%. 11th attempts
22/23 – 30th opp 3P%. 5th attempts
21/22 – 20th opp 3P%. 8th attempts.
20/21 – 23rd opp 3P%. 9th attempts
19-20 – 25th opp 3P%. 24th attempts


So there is a trend there for the spurs allowing high percentage of 3's being made at less attempts.

[rascal]

wholesale changes of sports teams rarely works out.

It worked for Boston last year. They changed 40% of their starting lineup.

[Chomag]

It worked for Boston last year. They changed 40% of their starting lineup.

And their head coach only a season or 2 ago

[timtonymanu]

Keldon flexing again :lol

Fucking mediocre scrub

[MultiTroll]

Unfortunately I cannot find these stats, but I was curious at what the longest sub .500 streak for an NBA coach and GM are.

Fabbs correctly responds:

Fitch never went more then 5 years with sub .500 with one team.
He did, at the end of his career go sub with
New Jersey 3 straight.
Clippers 4 straight.



esxtatic then changes the goalposts with

Bill Fitch started his career with 5 years sub .500 in Cleveland, and coached there for another 4 more. It might help to come with facts before you press that reply button.
Billy Fitches years 6 7 8 were all above .500


Shot...

Chaser...
Janitorial crew comes in to clean up. :toast

[rankingtear]

Not realistic. The margins for improvement are so small, a lot of stuff fans care about still relies on Wemby offensive game.

[Ice009]

23/24 - 23rd opp 3P%. 11th attempts
22/23 – 30th opp 3P%. 5th attempts
21/22 – 20th opp 3P%. 8th attempts.
20/21 – 23rd opp 3P%. 9th attempts
19-20 – 25th opp 3P%. 24th attempts


So there is a trend there for the spurs allowing high percentage of 3's being made at less attempts.

For 23/24, are the attempts saying the opposing team is taking 11th most attempts or 11th least attempts?

[mystargtr34]

Gregg Popovich Told Bam Adebayo He ‘Wasn’t Readyhttps://www.slamonline.com/news/nba/gregg-popovich-told-bam-adebayo-he-wasnt-ready/


not ready Adebayo averaged 16/10/5/1/1 that season and became an All-Star. Pop picked Brook Lopez and Mason Plumlee over him. Plumlee's stats: 7/5/2/0.7/1

That was 2020. He went senile a longass time ago.

That is actually disgusting lol

[tbdog]

For 23/24, are the attempts saying the opposing team is taking 11th most attempts or 11th least attempts?

The lower the number the better. So being 1st in attempts allowed means you're given up the least amount of attempts.

[SouthernFried]

Wish Elon would buy them

This

[exstatic]

Wish Elon would buy them

Yeah, because he’s only lost billions driving Twitter into the ground.

[Kawhi Duncan]

ive been saying this for years and getting bashed....since the derozan days...he has been getting worse, and no one in the organization has any accountability....any other coach would have been fired last year for putting sochan as a PG and curtailing half a year of proper development from wemby

[Pauleta14]

That is actually disgusting lol

Po has always been ba at recognising talent.

If it wasn't for Sam Presti insisting, Tony Parker would've never been a Spur and if it wasn't for veterans players and probabaly some staff as well, Manu would've maybe gone back to europe with the treatment he got...

He thought Forbes was Him ffs :lol

[Pauleta14]

Yeah, because he’s only lost billions driving Twitter into the ground.

Where do you get your infos mate?

Since he bought it, Twitter is killing it and has never had as many subs and has become more reliable than mainstream medias.

[MultiTroll]

Yeah, because he’s only lost billions driving Twitter into the ground.


Where do you get your infos mate?

Since he bought it, Twitter is killing it and has never had as many subs and has become more reliable than mainstream medias.
Elon Musk’s X is worth nearly 80% less than when he bought it, Fidelity estimates | CNN Business (https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/02/business/elon-musk-twitter-x-fidelity/index.html)

[rjv]

It worked for Boston last year. They changed 40% of their starting lineup.

that seems like a false equivalency to me.

[Bruno]

It's a legit rant. Spurs FO and coaching staff have done a lot of questionable choices lately.

However, to me, there is currently a big reason to be hopeful about Spurs:
When you look at how top teams are build, what really matters is to have a great 5 man unit. Bench isn't that important. If Spurs can have that 5 players lineup, their rebuild with be, let's say, at 80% done.
The great news is that Spurs might already have 4 of the 5 players needed with Wembanyama, Vassell, Sochan and Castle. If (yep, it's a big if), they keep their promises and develop well, Spurs will only be one player away, ideally a good shooting SF, to be a good team.

[Mr. Body]

To me there's a big difference between looking at long-term goals and strategy and individual choices. Too many people get hung up on individual decisions. It gets unproductive, and that's true in any field including bitching about basketball on the internet.

Last night was one of the first times I was truly frustrated with the team.

I'll back up. Largely, I can see the direction the franchise has tried to take since Duncan's retirement. They tried to stay relevant with LMA and DDR while building young players. It didn't quite work, but it wasn't a bad philosophy. We can see multiple examples just in this era of teams that scrape and scrape and scrape and never get out of the cellar.

It took a while, but they finally broke things down by selling off White and Murray. Meanwhile, they managed to create some good players from bad draft positions. They got assets from places they shouldn't have gotten anything, like DeRozan leaving.

They had a horrendous draft where Primo diddled and didn't take Sengun. They whiffed on Samanac. Lonnie didn't prove a long-term thing. None of those bother me from a long-term strategy viewpoint. Spurs fans have this starry-eyed, inconceivable idea that every draft pick is supposed to be perfect. (I'll call it Presti-sniffing.) Never in history has any team hit on all their draft picks. I'll include all the whining about Branham and Wesley. They were picks in the 20s. And I think Branham is clearly an NBA player, although still developing.

Obviously, Wembanyama changed everything for the franchise. A potential all-timer who actively wants to be in San Antonio, a city that may be more boring than Indianapolis. There are decent pieces on the team in Vassell, Sochan, and now Castle. One or two other players might make it.

The question is where we are right now. Getting two veterans was absolutely the right move. We've only seen the start of how they'll improve long-term IQ. I don't get whining about second round draft picks. And as for missing players in the draft -- this happens all the time. For everyone. You're not a genius for claiming to think Jokic was going to be great. No one did. This stuff isn't magic.

However, the question is next steps, and those are extremely hard. To me, the team has been intent to 1) not take on long-term salary, 2) try to figure out who works around Wembyanama.

These are good strategies. I've said it a few times -- they seem to be looking at the next decade above the next year. I'm utterly unconcerned about using the #8 draft pick this year. If you're bothered by not using it, you have to say who would have been worthwhile. It's not a nebulous, angelic, indefinable "generic lottery pick would be great." Time will tell, but Buzelis ain't playing, Dillingham ain't playing, Cody Williams isn't doing much (he actually played last night, a lot), and so on.

Clearly the team wants to seed the future with assets for when this team may be really, and finally, good.

But it's hard to watch them let Wembanyama fling up countless threes at the start of a game without forcing the defense to do anything. It's frustrating that there are still no shooters on the roster. The early game droughts are excruciating. I get the 'pounding the rock' thing - it takes time. And the team sees things no one else sees. But it feels like we need to make at least some moves at this point because we have players stagnating and things looking a bit listless.

[Pauleta14]

Elon Musk’s X is worth nearly 80% less than when he bought it, Fidelity estimates | CNN Business (https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/02/business/elon-musk-twitter-x-fidelity/index.html)

CNN... :lmao

[MultiTroll]

CNN... :lmao
If Hitler says 2+2 = 4,
does 2+2=4?

Are you saying the figures are inaccurate?

[Pauleta14]

If Hitler says 2+2 = 4,
does 2+2=4?

Are you saying the figures are inaccurate?

And Hilter enters the chat... :lol

It's a sick obsession

On a serious note tho, "fool me once..." I don't waste my time with CNN and the high prob of a biased hit piece the same way I don't waste my time with Fox News.

As for Twitter you should try find diff sources of info (https://www.statista.com/topics/737/twitter/#topicOverview) and most importantly not mistaken the reasons it was bought and knowingly overpaid.

Are you going to deny the existence of the "twitter files" that showed a DAILY communication and directions from the FBI/gov to every social medias? Are you fine with that?

I think we need a little bit more stoicism in this world and teach people to accept that complete opposite pov are allowed to be expressed. Even the stupidest.

Imagie if the opposition once in power did the same thing against leftists ideas?

Don't know the guy but Thank you Elon Musk for Twitter

[rjv]

https://media.tenor.com/IUpkYFbJUcQAAAAM/what-exactly-are-we-talking-about-benjamin.gif

[Chucho]

Pop's ability to mess with lineups that are showing obvious chemistry or are digging the team out of holes that Pop's game plans put them in is uncanny.

NOTHING worse than in the later days of the Dynasty when Pop would have a lineup that was cooking and he'd still force Bonner into the lineup or some other low-ceiling player Pop always gave minutes to and Bonner/bum would just mess up the grove and chemistry.

[Joseph Kony]

Wish Elon would buy them
That's probably because you're a retarded simp

[Joseph Kony]

And Hilter enters the chat... :lol

It's a sick obsession

On a serious note tho, "fool me once..." I don't waste my time with CNN and the high prob of a biased hit piece the same way I don't waste my time with Fox News.

As for Twitter you should try find diff sources of info (https://www.statista.com/topics/737/twitter/#topicOverview) and most importantly not mistaken the reasons it was bought and knowingly overpaid.

Are you going to deny the existence of the "twitter files" that showed a DAILY communication and directions from the FBI/gov to every social medias? Are you fine with that?

I think we need a little bit more stoicism in this world and teach people to accept that complete opposite pov are allowed to be expressed. Even the stupidest.

Imagie if the opposition once in power did the same thing against leftists ideas?

Don't know the guy but Thank you Elon Musk for Twitter

Holy shit you're retarded also :lmao rofl thinking the guy who censors any opposing viewpoint on his platform is some kind of bastion of free speech. you magatards are so fucking dense

[GAustex]

Yeah, because he’s only lost billions driving Twitter into the ground.

Butt hurt
You are

[Pauleta14]

Holy shit you're retarded also :lmao rofl thinking the guy who censors any opposing viewpoint on his platform is some kind of bastion of free speech. you magatards are so fucking dense

Tell me Joseph, were the "twitter files" (analysed by independant journalists, some even opposed to Musk) a reality or is it a conspiracy for you?

[GAustex]

That's probably because you're a retarded simp

Fake blackie

[spurraider21]

Holy shit you're retarded also :lmao rofl thinking the guy who censors any opposing viewpoint on his platform is some kind of bastion of free speech. you magatards are so fucking dense
not to mention the guy who wants to revoke media licenses from CBS, etc, and routinely calls the free media the enemy of the people :lol

[Pauleta14]

Funny how you love to avoid anything unflatering from the Biden's administration.

"Twitter Files" anyone? :lol

[Joseph Kony]

Fake blackie
:lol thinking stating the obvious is a gotcha

OMG JOSEPH KONY ISNT ACTUALLY JOSEPH KONY? fucking retard

[Joseph Kony]

Tell me Joseph, were the "twitter files" (analysed by independant journalists, some even opposed to Musk) a reality or is it a conspiracy for you?
Yeah i dont give a fuck about answering your retarded line of questioning, which has nothing to with you being another retarded Musk simp that somehow thinks he is an arbiter of free speech

:cry :cry b-b-b-but the twitter files :cry :cry

miss me with that shit faggot

[Joseph Kony]

not to mention the guy who wants to revoke media licenses from CBS, etc, and routinely calls the free media the enemy of the people :lol
Exactly :lol but Pauleta thinks his whatabout schtick somehow is relevant to simping for an autistic anti-free speech edgelord

[Pauleta14]

Yeah i dont give a fuck about answering your retarded line of questioning, which has nothing to with you being another retarded Musk simp that somehow thinks he is an arbiter of free speech

:cry :cry b-b-b-but the twitter files :cry :cry

miss me with that shit faggot

:lmao :lmao

I feel u Joseph, I'd be embarrassed as well

You guys are a bunch of kids ready for the next tantrum at any uncomfortable question :lol

[Pauleta14]

I imagine Joseph at home with his FBI tshirt all proud... :lmao

[CorrectCrusader]

It's cool that I can open a well made thread from Scott and less than 4 pages in there's retards screeching about politics

[CorrectCrusader]

btw has there ever been a franchise that mispells the name of their players on the back of their jersey every year?

https://i.ibb.co/cXZg53J/blake-welsey-v0-5p981wh5e0yd1.webp

does Pop tell them: "Keep pounding the rock, you'll spell the names right eventually" or how is that happening all the time now?

Holy shit is this real? How does this keep happening?

[scott]

Holy shit is this real? How does this keep happening?

I think the Graphic Design Department and the Game Day Jersey Department must be supervised by the same moron

[Mugen]

The jersey thing is so f'n embarrassing tbh. How does that happen to a professional sports team? Let alone twice in two years, smh.

[Mugen]

Back to the thread topic, I still have faith that Wemby will be the one to put the old man out to pasture a la DWill + Jerry Sloan. Hopefully it's just one more season.

Hopefully he can throw BWrong on the way out as well. Not sure where RC fits into all of it going forward though tbh.

[Bill_Brasky]

:lmao :lmao

I feel u Joseph, I'd be embarrassed as well

You guys are a bunch of kids ready for the next tantrum at any uncomfortable question :lol

Interesting to call out temper tantrums when you vote for president all-caps, imo

[Pauleta14]

Interesting to call out temper tantrums when you vote for president all-caps, imo

FYI I've said multiple times I don't support Trump, I think he belongs to a mental institution.

I just like to point out facts that get you all nervous.

[Pauleta14]

Back to the thread topic, I still have faith that Wemby will be the one to put the old man out to pasture a la DWill + Jerry Sloan. Hopefully it's just one more season.

Hopefully he can throw BWrong on the way out as well. Not sure where RC fits into all of it going forward though tbh.

It can't happen

Pop has way more of a hold on the Franchise than Sloan ever had, from the FO to the owners, they all eat in his hand.

At best he'll leave and promote the freckled boy we see next to him during games.

[CorrectCrusader]

If I had to guess what will happen is that Pop will die and the next guy up will be just as awful, then we'll get a reset once they pull the plug.

[Joseph Kony]

:lmao :lmao

I feel u Joseph, I'd be embarrassed as well

You guys are a bunch of kids ready for the next tantrum at any uncomfortable question :lol

:lol delusional

[scott]

Anyone on this website disagree?

5 straight years in the lottery, headed towards six… win the most coveted lottery since LeBron… and still no closer to turning the corner.

[mo7888]

Anyone on this website disagree?

5 straight years in the lottery, headed towards six… win the most coveted lottery since LeBron… and still no closer to turning the corner.

8 games in....playing tonight without 2 starters and our backup PG.... so I'm not ready to conclude anything on the season yet... Do we need coaching changes? Yea, I believe so... FO? Maybe.... talent infusion? Without question... but as constructed, they were trying to be a play-in team and until we put a healthy team on the floor I'm not ready to conclude that, that is unattainable.

[Mugen]

It's mind boggling how much job security BWrong has while doing absolutely nothing in this league. :lol

[poopbox]

8 games in....playing tonight without 2 starters and our backup PG.... so I'm not ready to conclude anything on the season yet... Do we need coaching changes? Yea, I believe so... FO? Maybe.... talent infusion? Without question... but as constructed, they were trying to be a play-in team and until we put a healthy team on the floor I'm not ready to conclude that, that is unattainable.

8 games into this season. This team has been bad for 5 years. So it's like game 422 of being bad. And after 5 years you still think we need coaching changes and talent infusion? Then what the fuck have the spurs been doing for 5 years?

Pistons fired Monty after arguably the worst coached season ever, while also making him the highest paid coach ever. I have no doubts that if Monty had been here, he'd still have his job :rollin

[rankingtear]

Anyone on this website disagree?

5 straight years in the lottery, headed towards six… win the most coveted lottery since LeBron… and still no closer to turning the corner.

We were fine until we lost our best player. Our second and third best player has yet to come back. Wemby real kryptonite is Brooks no surprise he destroyed him.

[RC_Drunkford]

8 games into this season. This team has been bad for 5 years. So it's like game 422 of being bad. And after 5 years you still think we need coaching changes and talent infusion? Then what the fuck have the spurs been doing for 5 years?

Pistons fired Monty after arguably the worst coached season ever, while also making him the highest paid coach ever. I have no doubts that if Monty had been here, he'd still have his job :rollin

"we have to keep pounding the rock. You strike and strike and one day, you'll see a crack in the rock from all those strikes"

[Chomag]

"we have to keep pounding the rock. You strike and strike and one day, you'll see a crack in the rock from all those strikes"


The true definition of insanity lol

[z0sa]

Yeah, we're in a sad state. Not much even left to discuss. PATFO made terrible personnel decisions, and old as fuck Chris Paul isn't gonna save the day even if he does turn in good games every other contest. There's no way we make the play-in.

I don't understand how people can be for this roster's construction, at minimum, no matter how deep in Snifferland you are.

[james evans]

Yeah, we're in a sad state. Not much even left to discuss. PATFO made terrible personnel decisions, and old as fuck Chris Paul isn't gonna save the day even if he does turn in good games every other contest. There's no way we make the play-in.

I don't understand how people can be for this roster's construction, at minimum, no matter how deep in Snifferland you are.
While I hope Popovich gets better, this is what happens when you put a 75 year old in charge of your organization. Because these moves do not happen without his permission

[Pauleta14]

Yeah, we're in a sad state. Not much even left to discuss. PATFO made terrible personnel decisions, and old as fuck Chris Paul isn't gonna save the day even if he does turn in good games every other contest. There's no way we make the play-in.

I don't understand how people can be for this roster's construction, at minimum, no matter how deep in Snifferland you are.


It's a very underrated stage.

As if they just quit on their abilities to think staight by fear of opposing the god Pop

Even among jounalists it's a taboo subject around the league

[jeebus]

If only the Spurs had Rob Dillingham, they'd be at the top of the conference by now. I mean, Minnesota is DEFINITELY not imploding right now and they'll be able to rebuild with their 1 FRP and 6 SRP over the next 6 years, so the picks the Spurs got will be fucking useless. I hate being a fan of this team!

[spurraider21]

If only the Spurs had Rob Dillingham, they'd be at the top of the conference by now. I mean, Minnesota is DEFINITELY not imploding right now and they'll be able to rebuild with their 1 FRP and 6 SRP over the next 6 years, so the picks the Spurs got will be fucking useless. I hate being a fan of this team!
minnesota took over a year to get Gobert/Towns to work, became a dominant team, and then immediately traded away KAT for Randle who is an abysmal fit for them for the sake of future flexibility even though they are already up to their eyeballs with Gobert's contract

the lesson is to make trades with historically inept franchises and just wait :lol

[exstatic]

minnesota took over a year to get Gobert/Towns to work, became a dominant team, and then immediately traded away KAT for Randle who is an abysmal fit for them for the sake of future flexibility even though they are already up to their eyeballs with Gobert's contract

the lesson is to make trades with historically inept franchises and just wait :lol

You mean like Minnesota and Sacramento? SA already figured that one out.

[Atl Spur]

Great thread! The same people hand wringing over future assets , while condemning the moves that got them here! (The 20131 schtick is the lamest by the way) If we are being honest, there are plenty of posters ( the usual suspects ) on here who were bitching about the Atlanta picks as being a mis-step…those are the facts you requested OP. Minnesota screwed themselves trying to skip steps as did Sacramento.

[Atl Spur]

Sac , Atl, and Min trades were a masterclass!

[exstatic]

Great thread! The same people hand wringing over future assets , while condemning the moves that got them here! (The 20131 schtick is the lamest by the way) If we are being honest, there are plenty of posters ( the usual suspects ) on here who were bitching about the Atlanta picks as being a mis-step…those are the facts you requested OP. Minnesota screwed themselves trying to skip steps as did Sacramento.

The 20131 started out as a typo, and then became a meme. I support trading #8, and I still think it’s funny.

[itzsoweezee]

Sac , Atl, and Min trades were a masterclass!

I agree. The front office has made some great asset acquisition moves. The key will be what they do with those assets.

[Mr. Body]

The offense will take a while. It's more free flowing without Wemby. With him, there's still a lot of hesitation and standing around. Optimally they will work out how to move the ball around, cut, all that stuff, with him in. It's just going to take some time.

[stnick2261]

I love the trades the Front Office has made because of a little story of Otis Thorp.

He was a former All-Star, playing for the Detroit Pistons. Vancouver decided they wanted him so they traded their 2003 first round draft pick (top #1 protected) to Detroit for the 35 year old. He played a total of 47 games for them.

Fast forward 6 years:

Pistons are fresh off a 50-win season where they were the 1st seed in the east. The highly anticipated draft comes around. Pistons are excited because the Grizzlies (recently moved to Memphis) were the 5th worst team. Boom, they get the #2 draft pick. After LeBron James goes #1 overall, they have their pick between Carmelo Anthony, Chris Bosh, Dwayne Wade.... and Darko Milicic.

Pistons end up winning the 2004 championship and losing to us in 2005... but imagine if they selected anyone OTHER than Milicic.

Alternate history:... imagine if the Spurs had traded for that pick. Fresh off the 2003 championship, WE get to select between Carmelo Anthony, Chris Bosh, and Dwayne Wade to join Tim Duncan, Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili.

That is what we are hoping for 6-7 years from now when Wemby is at his peak.

[spurraider21]

so Towns for Randle who is an awful fit and Donte who already may be a foot out the door?

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[Mr. Body]

I love the trades the Front Office has made because of a little story of Otis Thorp.

He was a former All-Star, playing for the Detroit Pistons. Vancouver decided they wanted him so they traded their 2003 first round draft pick (top #1 protected) to Detroit for the 35 year old. He played a total of 47 games for them.

Fast forward 6 years:

Pistons are fresh off a 50-win season where they were the 1st seed in the east. The highly anticipated draft comes around. Pistons are excited because the Grizzlies (recently moved to Memphis) were the 5th worst team. Boom, they get the #2 draft pick. After LeBron James goes #1 overall, they have their pick between Carmelo Anthony, Chris Bosh, Dwayne Wade.... and Darko Milicic.

Pistons end up winning the 2004 championship and losing to us in 2005... but imagine if they selected anyone OTHER than Milicic.

Alternate history:... imagine if the Spurs had traded for that pick. Fresh off the 2003 championship, WE get to select between Carmelo Anthony, Chris Bosh, and Dwayne Wade to join Tim Duncan, Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili.

That is what we are hoping for 6-7 years from now when Wemby is at his peak.

The only thing I can see any fault in this off-season was not using the eighth pick. But I believe they had Chris Paul in mind from the start, initially to absorb his salary outright from GSW.

They wound up signing him instead. And still had the cap space available. Classic case of keeping your powder dry, the DeRozan trade emerged.

Right now the usual options suggested at that eighth pick are rough. The two outliers who are playing well are McCain and Knecht and that's just the gamble. They both project to be poor defenders and I'm not sure the team wants to go that route any longer. They already have poor defenders.

So they made a calculated plan to go for a significant vet and wound up with two. To me, this was the primary need above all, even above adding more young talent, and around up with inarguably the best development veteran in the league and a very, very solid quiet leader in a position of need in Barnes.

They just won two games in a row that would have been losses without them.

[scott]

What is is they say about the definition of insanity?

[benefactor]

What is is they say about the definition of insanity?
It seems like it's the same question after every single game.

What is this team actually doing?

[GAustex]

Tim Duncan ain’t walking through that door

[BackHome]

Loosing your head coach who has ruled the organization as long as Pop has had to have a huge impact on the team and organization. I don’t think this was calibrated in any of there plans and caught them flat footed so the best thing is to stay pat and work on a plan for next season.

As soon as possible they need to start looking for a head coach as I don’t see anyway that Pop will be able to ever coach again. I am hoping they go that route and we pretty much have a whole new coaching staff

Oh, and fire the shooting coach

[dn0774]

Loosing your head coach who has ruled the organization as long as Pop has had to have a huge impact on the team and organization. I don’t think this was calibrated in any of there plans and caught them flat footed so the best thing is to stay pat and work on a plan for next season.

As soon as possible they need to start looking for a head coach as I don’t see anyway that Pop will be able to ever coach again. I am hoping they go that route and we pretty much have a whole new coaching staff

Oh, and fire the shooting coach

The shooting coach needs to be promoted to fan.

[Pauleta14]

Loosing your head coach who has ruled the organization as long as Pop has had to have a huge impact on the team and organization. I don’t think this was calibrated in any of there plans and caught them flat footed so the best thing is to stay pat and work on a plan for next season.

As soon as possible they need to start looking for a head coach as I don’t see anyway that Pop will be able to ever coach again. I am hoping they go that route and we pretty much have a whole new coaching staff

Oh, and fire the shooting coach

Of course having a rookie coach rather than Pop is massive but the issues with players development seem a lot more important when you see the lack of results from the last 4-5 seasons and on.

Keldon is worse, Sochan is worse, Vassell still can't create separation and poor playmaking etc Even Collins is worse :lol

It's hard to be optimistic tbh

[scott]

Saw this on Reddit, since we're talking about shooting coaches.

https://i.ibb.co/dQ8DKcL/shooting.png

[RC_Drunkford]

What is is they say about the definition of insanity?

doing the same dumb thing over and over again thinking it might work. Sounds kinda like this:


"When nothing seems to help, I go and look at a stonecutter hammering away at his rock perhaps a hundred times without as much as a crack showing in it. Yet at the hundred and first blow it will split in two, and I know it was not that blow that did it, but all that had gone before."

[BatManu20]

Call it youth, naivety, copium, etc. But Wemby seems to have more faith in our FO than Spursfan does.

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[ChumpDumper]

Pretty idle discussion until the offseason.

[Dverde]

Tim Duncan ain’t walking through that door

Neither is 50 wins with this group

[RC_Drunkford]

Spurs are like Scientology. He's already part of their cult :lol

[ambchang]

The issue is exactly the team NOT doing the right thing. I mean all the players, with the exception of champaigne have gotten worse as their careers progressed. The offensive and defensive schemes are mind boggling, and the substitutions left a lot to be desired to say the least.

Yes, I’m not a basketball guru, yes I don’t do basketball for a living like the FO and coaching staff, but if there’s something so egregiously wrong that even I can see, I’m sure the players, coaches and FO can see by this point. Unless of course they are playing some 4D chess too complicated for my feeble brain.

[Tyronn Lue]

The story at the end of the RS will be that the Spurs made significant progress vs the past 2 years.

[LeBowen]

The issue is exactly the team NOT doing the right thing. I mean all the players, with the exception of champaigne have gotten worse as their careers progressed. The offensive and defensive schemes are mind boggling, and the substitutions left a lot to be desired to say the least.

Yes, I’m not a basketball guru, yes I don’t do basketball for a living like the FO and coaching staff, but if there’s something so egregiously wrong that even I can see, I’m sure the players, coaches and FO can see by this point. Unless of course they are playing some 4D chess too complicated for my feeble brain.

I'd just like to hear CP3's honest take on Spurs coaching staff and what we're seeing in terms of style of play and execution.

[RC_Drunkford]

The issue is exactly the team NOT doing the right thing. I mean all the players, with the exception of champaigne have gotten worse as their careers progressed. The offensive and defensive schemes are mind boggling, and the substitutions left a lot to be desired to say the least.

Yes, I’m not a basketball guru, yes I don’t do basketball for a living like the FO and coaching staff, but if there’s something so egregiously wrong that even I can see, I’m sure the players, coaches and FO can see by this point. Unless of course they are playing some 4D chess too complicated for my feeble brain.

we've been saying this since Bryn Forbes became a starter. I'm quite sure the coaches and FO can't see shit.

[Tyronn Lue]

we've been saying this since Bryn Forbes became a starter. I'm quite sure the coaches and FO can't see shit.
Outside of Paul and Victor, I think the Austin Toros would stand a decent chance against this team.

[LeBowen]

Outside of Paul and Victor, I think the Austin Toros would stand a decent chance against this team.

Castle has serious potential including good IQ, but we need to get rid of all these losers before they contaminate him.

[LeBowen]

I still can't get over how horrible 2022 draft was for us.
#20 Branham
#21 Braun
#22 Kessler
#25 Wesley
#27 Jovic
#31 Nembhard
#34 Jaylin Williams
#35 Max Christie

Like come on.

[CorrectCrusader]

Fuck Brian Wright for being a useless piece of shit general manager

[CorrectCrusader]

we've been saying this since Bryn Forbes became a starter. I'm quite sure the coaches and FO can't see shit.

People already have forgotten the geriatric fucks in charge of this team started Forbes instead of running a Dejounte/White lineup.

[Manu-of-steel]

2 threes, 1 by Rozier, where Vassell tried to help a penetrator, leaving Rozier open. Three by Jacquez, left open because Barnes tried to help. In both instances, there was no need to help

[LeBowen]

People already have forgotten the geriatric fucks in charge of this team started Forbes instead of running a Dejounte/White lineup.

Why run DJ/White lineups when we rad Patty/Bryn/Marco lineups? :pop:

[GAustex]

I say bring the Silver Dancers back too

[CorrectCrusader]

I say bring the Silver Dancers back too

You WILL get your androgynous ugly club dancers and YOU. WILL. LIKE. IT.

[RC_Drunkford]

2 threes, 1 by Rozier, where Vassell tried to help a penetrator, leaving Rozier open. Three by Jacquez, left open because Barnes tried to help. In both instances, there was no need to help

running the wrong schemes. That's on the coaches

[dbestpro]

The Spurs are screwed until they move on from Pop. He still influences the play calling, according to Johnson.

[mikec]

I say bring the Silver Dancers back too

That's NOT who we are. We're better than that. :pop:

[Raven]

The Spurs are screwed until they move on from Pop. He still influences the play calling, according to Johnson.

i'm not buying it, not sure if you meant it as a joke, but pop would never have played a short lineup

[CorrectCrusader]

i'm not buying it, not sure if you meant it as a joke, but pop would never have played a short lineup

https://i.imgur.com/C1e1Dm0.png

[Raven]

https://i.imgur.com/C1e1Dm0.png

sorry, rotation not lineup, mb

[LakerHater]

https://i.imgur.com/C1e1Dm0.png
That line up right there, began my questioning of Pop!!

[Tyronn Lue]

It's not an age issue. This team is right on the heels of the play-in seeds. From a stats perspective they are right where we expected they should be. It's just glaringly ugly to watch the evolution of the roster when you know the bulk of the players are just randos. With Tim, Manu and Tony, you always had some star presence who could make the game seem somewhat structured (because Tony took plays directly from the coach). These guys seem to treat every possession like it's the first time they've played together and I don't really recall any plays other than attacking the rim without having the ability to finish, then turning it over while trying to kick it out (or just a wild, contested shot).

[scott]

Brian Wright has kept his job and earned an extension after he put on a physics lesson about leverage today.

The Graphic Design team still has to go though.

[ambchang]

Coaching staff has to be revamped.

[spursistan]

Talent is ultimate differentiator in this league. Elite one carries the day in the NBA regardless of coaching. But nobody can convince me this Spurs team isn't being hamstrung by coaching compared to 7-8 years ago.

https://x.com/Chris_ApTx/status/1888055684752675150