you're GM, what's your best offer for giannis?

[gambit1990]

bucks now 1-6, 2nd worst record in the league.

pros:
• under contract for years
• not often injured
• loyal, doesn't mind small market if it means winning

con:
• spacing could take a little time adjusting to

off the top of my head i'd do something like: vassell, keldon, sochan, collins, spurs' 2025 1st via ATL, spurs' own 2025 1st for giannis & brook lopez.

[ginobilized]

I don't think I'd make an offer, even just to block OKC from getting him.
If he can't win with Lillard and Middleton, not sure he'd be worth selling the farm for

[gambit1990]

I don't think I'd make an offer, even just to block OKC from getting him.
If he can't win with Lillard and Middleton, not sure he'd be worth selling the farm for
the bucks are being coached by doc rivers & darvin ham :lol

[KobesAchilles]

Giannis and Rivers for the twolves future 1st rounder :lol

[paperboy77]

I don't think I'd make an offer, even just to block OKC from getting him.
If he can't win with Lillard and Middleton, not sure he'd be worth selling the farm for

Our farm is not that good.

[paperboy77]

the bucks are being coached by doc rivers & darvin ham :lol

That's some DEI shit right there.

[baseline bum]

Keldon, Zollins, and the Charlotte 2025 first

[paperboy77]

bucks now 1-6, 2nd worst record in the league.

pros:
• under contract for years
• not often injured
• loyal, doesn't mind small market if it means winning

con:
• spacing could take a little time adjusting to

off the top of my head i'd do something like: vassell, keldon, sochan, collins, spurs' 2025 1st via ATL, spurs' own 2025 1st for giannis & brook lopez.

It would be a great trade if they would accept anything we got! For a Greek Freak and Wemby tandem? Give em what they want.

[paperboy77]

Keldon, Zollins, and the Charlotte 2025 first

Dude that meme is crazy. What the hell would possess someone to do that?

[KingKev]

Giannis and Wemby with a traditional point and two 3&D wings is a wetdream. If he becomes available you need to consider what it takes.

One thing for certain I need at least 2 unprotected FRPs for Keldon regardless. Did you see his last game? (Spurstalk voice)

[objective]

I don't think I'd make an offer, even just to block OKC from getting him.
If he can't win with Lillard and Middleton, not sure he'd be worth selling the farm for

Don't think Middleton has played this season yet, but the point still stands that he's had Lillard and Lopez and everyone that matters like Portis and Prince etc and it hasn't been good

[baseline bum]

I don't think I'd make an offer, even just to block OKC from getting him.
If he can't win with Lillard and Middleton, not sure he'd be worth selling the farm for

He's playing for Coc, that'll wreck any star.

[baseline bum]

Dude that meme is crazy. What the hell would possess someone to do that?

The better question is why aren't all women like that?

[Leetonidas]

Hasn't be been injured in the playoffs a lot in recent years?

[gambit1990]

The better question is why aren't all women like that?
i wanna know what song was playing and who the woman on the right is.

[gambit1990]

I don't think I'd make an offer, even just to block OKC from getting him.
If he can't win with Lillard and Middleton, not sure he'd be worth selling the farm for

Our farm is not that good.
spurs should've made the trade before sochan got hurt :drunk

[quentin_compson]

If the Bucks were to trade Giannis, they probably would mostly want FRP, not players. I doubt they would try retooling around Lillard, Middleton, and Lopez.

[Ice009]

If the Bucks were to trade Giannis, they probably would mostly want FRP, not players. I doubt they would try retooling around Lillard, Middleton, and Lopez.

Yeah, I am guessing this is why most people say OKC would be the front runner as they'd have the most first round picks to offer, right? I'm guessing 6 first round picks is what it's going to take. I just wonder if OKC is really going to jump in if he becomes available. Do you guys think they would, or do you think they'd rather keep building what they have?

[SupremeGuy]

Yeah, I am guessing this is why most people say OKC would be the front runner as they'd have the most first round picks to offer, right? I'm guessing 6 first round picks is what it's going to take. I just wonder if OKC is really going to jump in if he becomes available. Do you guys think they would, or do you think they'd rather keep building what they have?Salaries have to match. OKC would have to trade enough players to make the salaries match AND then include FRPs.

[ambchang]

Giannis in OkC would be devastating, him running the break with their guards forcing turnovers, which would’ve been supplemented by adding giannis to Chet protecting the paint to allow the guards to gamble for steals. That would be absolutely insane.

[cutewizard]

no offer

[Raven]

i was more thinking of vassell + one 1st pick

[MultiTroll]

If Freak signed off on Coc Rivers for Adrian Griffin then i don't want him for much at all.

Ditto if he was the force behind Muh Touches Lilliard.

[scott]

Love Giannis… but equally do not love the idea of the team being Giannis + Wemby + 10 scrubs. The reality is there is no way we trade for him, tbqh

[Russ]

Giannis ran off coach Bud after he won them a title.

Now look at them.

[MultiTroll]

Giannis ran off coach Bud after he won them a title.

That says it all.
Don't stop there. Adrian Griffin.

[z0sa]

As much as I'd love Giannis on the team, him+Wemby+10 G-leaguers don't take us to the Finals, much less win us a title. Sad facts.

[LeBowen]

As much as I'd love Giannis on the team, him+Wemby+10 G-leaguers don't take us to the Finals, much less win us a title. Sad facts.

Theoretically we could build a good roster, it's just that Spurs aren't a franchise that would ever do it.
And I wouldn't do it if I was in charge. But for the sake of it, let's see...

We got all of our picks, can trade 4 out of 7 due to Sapien rule.
Two ATL picks, CHI could convey next year, MIN pick and 4 more swaps.
Devin, Castle and Jeremy are worth 4 or 5 FRPs.
We'd have a decent number of picks left, with everyone who's left on the roster being easily moveable.
Giannis and Wemby would be making ~$80M combined, 60 left for the rest of the roster.
Let's say CP3/Champ/Barnes/Giannis/Wemby with Tre as backup PG and ~20M left for backup big and two more perimeter players.
Cap goes up by $15M next year and assuming just Giannis and Wemby stay on the roster, we'd have ~$70M cap space due Giannis' raising contract.

If it was to happen (again, I wouldn't do it), I'd try to keep Devin and give up Castle+Jeremy+8 FRPs and 4 swaps.

[Ice009]

I never asked this before or even thought about it, but is there a limit to how many 1st round picks you can trade, or are you not allowed to trade future picks past a certain amount of time/years?

[LeBowen]

I never asked this before or even thought about it, but is there a limit to how many 1st round picks you can trade, or are you not allowed to trade future picks past a certain amount of time/years?

You can trade picks 7 years into the future.
Can't trade own picks in consecutive years. That's why we have a 2026 ATL swap and not their pick outright.

Harden was traded to the Nets for 4 picks and 4 swaps.
PG13 was traded for 5 picks and 2 swaps, lmao.

[The Truth #6]

It's fascinating how often the best players try to play GM and demand the wrong players and accelerate their own team's downfall. But hey, player empowerment.

[spursparker9]

Skip. Don't think he will complement Wemby well

[MultiTroll]

It's fascinating how often the best players try to play GM and demand the wrong players and accelerate their own team's downfall. But hey, player empowerment.
https://www.espn.com/video/clip/_/id/42198910

[Seventyniner]

I never asked this before or even thought about it, but is there a limit to how many 1st round picks you can trade, or are you not allowed to trade future picks past a certain amount of time/years?

You can't make a trade that would leave you in a situation where it's possible to have two consecutive future drafts without a first round pick, this is called the Stepien Rule. You also can't trade picks or swaps more than 7 years out. There is no set numerical limit to the number of firsts you can send or receive in a trade, though.

The Spurs have a total of 12 firsts in the next 7 years:

All their own picks (2025-2031)
One from CHA (protected 1-14 in 2025, turns into two seconds if it doesn't convey this year)
Two from ATL (unprotected 2025, 2027)
One from CHI (protected 1-10 in 2025, 1-8 in 2026 and 2027, turns into a second otherwise)
One from MIN (unprotected 2031)


If you consider the CHA pick to be a "first", which it technically is but is unlikely to convey as one, the Spurs can trade as many as nine firsts away and still comply with the Stepien rule as long as they keep one first in each of 2026/2028/2030. Since the CHI pick is not guaranteed to convey in any specific year, the Spurs would have to keep their own 2026/2028/2030 picks.

[Dverde]

Our front office won’t give up what must be given up, so this is all a waste of time. Every player minus Wemby should be available for him.

[ambchang]

None, not because I don't want Giannis, but I think we don't have the necessary assets to trade for him, and still field a competitive team. To top it off, the team will mortgage the future as well.

But a package that would be fair to both teams cost-wise, and something the Spurs can afford.

Spurs 26 pick
Atlanta 26 swap
Spurs 27 pick (keeping Atlanta's)
Spurs 28 pick
Keldon Johnson
As as painful as it is for me to say, Sochan.
Then add in another 71 2nd round picks.

[Leetonidas]

Unless he demands to come to SA only then I wouldn't make an offer. Giannis is a great player but SA is not close to contender status. We'd have to give up basically all of our chest of picks plus Vassell and Castle. Any trade for Giannis would deplete us so much it wouldn't be worth it

[spurraider21]

That's some DEI shit right there.
i have yet to find a situation where people say DEI in any way that doesnt just mean the n word

[R. DeMurre]

It's crazy how fast the narrative in Milwaukee has changed. I 100% thought the trade for Lillard was a mistake... you don't trade a guy like Jrue Holiday-- you look to upgrade at other positions, especially when you know Portland is rebuilding and is going to flip Jrue to a potential rival like Boston. Jrue going to Denver would've been just as bad for Milwaukee's future ring hopes as the Celtic move.

[spurraider21]

It's crazy how fast the narrative in Milwaukee has changed. I 100% thought the trade for Lillard was a mistake... you don't trade a guy like Jrue Holiday-- you look to upgrade at other positions, especially when you know Portland is rebuilding and is going to flip Jrue to a potential rival like Boston. Jrue going to Denver would've been just as bad for Milwaukee's future ring hopes as the Celtic move.
reminds me of the rockets trading paul AND first round picks for westbrook

[exstatic]

reminds me of the rockets trading paul AND first round picks for westbrook

That was actually forced by Harden, who then forced his way out a year later. As shitty as I think Kawhi was, he never pulled any double dip bullshit like that. James Harden is just the worst.

[RC_Drunkford]

I wouldn't make an offer at all. Giannis is not on Wemby's timeline.

[ginobilized]

I don't think OKC would unload what they've built for Giannis. The league is going a different direction.

25 and younger seems more like the ticket if we make a big trade. Seriously doubt that we will this season. Maybe something in the off-season depending on how the draft shakes out.

[spurraider21]

I wouldn't make an offer at all. Giannis is not on Wemby's timeline.
Giannis is 29, its not like he's 33 and in the last year or two of his dominance.

you would still have a couple of years with Giannis as the best player allowing Wemby to take a step back. and then Giannis begins to decline as Wemby levels up. i think the timelines are actually fine.

to land giannis, we probably need to send out both Vassell and Sochan (plus Collins to make the salaries work), and some package of picks. while these superstar trades always include an uncomfortable amount of draft picks, the spurs are actually sending out two legitimate, young players in the deal as well (assuming teams buy Sochan's third year leap), so i dont know if you'd actually need to empty the full cupboard. in addition to being able to trade 5 of their own FRP's (including several with built in swap rights), we at this point own 3 more unprotected picks outright (ATLx2, MIN), 2 protected picks which are likely to convey (Chicago, Boston), and 1 pick unlikely to convey (charlotte). people saying the spurs would need to empty the coffers are serious suggesting we'd be expected to send 10 first round picks in addition to players. i think thats lunacy.

https://i.gyazo.com/7125d59b96f950245f24fba00ea8d099.png


in this scenario, you have a pretty similar rotation to what we've seen this year so far, except you swap out Sochan for Giannis

Paul, Champagnie, Barnes, Giannis, Wemby

Castle, Branham, Keldon, Mamu off the bench (and Bassey gets in)

i dont think the urgency exists for the spurs to seek this type of deal though

[LeBowen]

Giannis is 29, its not like he's 33 and in the last year or two of his dominance.

He's turning 30 in a month.
He surely has 4 to 5 seasons left in him.

His contract is up until '28, meaning there would be only one year of overlap between his and Wemby's supermax deals.

The only way to make it feasible would be to trade all the near future picks and leave those '29 and onwards picks intact.
If we're talking long term, it wouldn't be that bad if he took a big discount in '28 in order to keep competing.

Make no mistake, we'd need a lot more shooters.
It would basically be point guard, Giannis, Wemby and two shooters on the floor.

Giannis+Lopez for Devin+Keldon+Collins+Jeremy works salary wise.
Biggest issue would be Castle's fit, no way he'd be able to play with Giannis and Wemby, horrible spacing.

I'd try to keep Devin and add Castle instead, with one more FRP.



I wouldn't make an offer at all. Giannis is not on Wemby's timeline.

While I wouldn't pursue a Giannis trade, I feel like timeline thing gets in the way of too many teams that are trying to contend.
If you have a good, young player, you try to maximize it.
Wemby is 7'4 and while he's been healthy so far, you never know. Cap situation also gets in the way easily and young players are never a guarantee to develop.

Giannis is ~9 years older than Wemby.
KD is ~8 years older than Booker and that roster would've worked if they hadn't fucked up with Beal trade and got some more role players instead.
Lebron is ~9 years older than AD. Yeah, it's Lebron, but still.
Kyries is ~7 years older than Luka.
Gobert is ~9 years older than Edwards.
Embiid is ~6 years older than Maxey.

If you got good players, it doesn't really matter as long as you're not handing out supermax money to 35 year olds who don't deserve it.

[RC_Drunkford]

True but Wemby is nowhere near ready. With how he’s looking he will need another 3 years and we‘d have to gut our roster and assets. I think long term the process of building through the draft and then trading for one All-Star seems to be better. Short term having Giannis and Wemby would be amazing, but the supporting cast wouldn’t turn this team into a title favorite.

[paperboy77]

i have yet to find a situation where people say DEI in any way that doesnt just mean the n word

I don't know about all that. However, when anyone applies DEI principles... what race does it usually try to affect?

[spurraider21]

Wemby isnt ready to lead a team to a championship as a #1, but as a #2... who knows? If you can pull off the deal where you keep Vassell i think you'd really have to explore that, but i dont see why Milwaukee would do that. they'll get better offers than that.

[LeBowen]

True but Wemby is nowhere near ready. With how he’s looking he will need another 3 years.

I don't think he'd be playing like this if we were actually trying to win and he had enough help.
We'll see how things go when Devin is back.


and we‘d have to gut our roster and assets

As I wrote already, we'd have plenty of picks and cap space next summer even after a trade for Giannis.
I'm not saying we should do it, but a top tier GM would be able to turn us into a top5 team right away.


I think long term the process of building through the draft and then trading for one All-Star seems to be better. Short term having Giannis and Wemby would be amazing, but the supporting cast wouldn’t turn this team into a title favorite

It's better if we can actually draft the right players and get them to develop. Nothing is a guarantee in this league and sometimes it's sheer luck.
I'd rather trade 3 good players and 5 picks for Giannis than 4 picks for a borderline all-star like Bridges, because that's what market looks like now.

Wait this season out and see how Devin, Castle and Jeremy develop, but from the next season onwards I want to see an actual playoffs team.

[RC_Drunkford]

Next season they definitely have to add some serious long term pieces, I agree.

[LeBowen]

Next season they definitely have to add some serious long term pieces, I agree.

Even this season we could make the play-in with just a couple moves.
Replace Collins with any competent backup big and add another Champagnie-like shooter. Nothing special, just someone who can move around and the defense needs to follow.
With Devin coming back, it would be enough to get at least 35 wins.

[spurraider21]

Next season they definitely have to add some serious long term pieces, I agree.
sure, but whats the big difference between this year and next year.

if the team was thinking "we'll consider making a giannis move next year", then you may as well be ready to do so this year, because you never know who will or wont be available next year.

[RC_Drunkford]

sure, but whats the big difference between this year and next year.

if the team was thinking "we'll consider making a giannis move next year", then you may as well be ready to do so this year, because you never know who will or wont be available next year.

sure but I guess there’s a reason why we potentially have 4 first round picks for the 25 draft class. With how strong this class is, you can basically put the finishing touches of „the process“ on the roster and then move on adding talent through other avenues. I‘m not saying I‘m against Giannis, but you‘ll most likely have to give up all your 25 picks + future picks, Vassell, Sochan and Castle to get him.

If we are doing unrealistic spurstalk trades a la Zach Collins, Keldon and 4 firsts, sure do that. But we all know that’s not realistic.

[Chomag]

I know Giannis and wemby at first glance seems like their games wouldn't mesh well (that was even my enitial thought) there more I think about it though I think it would work out just fine like how TD and Drob made it work.

If we have an opportunity to land another superstar talent you take it and try to make it work, it's not like the Spurs are in any position to be choosy.

I think it would work out just fine if we surrounded those 2 with a couple of good ball handlers and shooters

[gambit1990]

giannis wants to go to the heat, knicks, nets.

i think the heat will play hardball, to their detriment. and don't the spurs have as much to offer as the knicks / nets?

[LeBowen]

giannis wants to go to the heat, knicks, nets.

What makes you think that? It's just the narrative ESPN is trying to push.
Giannis is a competitor and his first priority is to win a couple more rings. He's not an American and doesn't care about the market, just the roster.


i think the heat will play hardball, to their detriment. and don't the spurs have as much to offer as the knicks / nets?

Heat couldn't even get Lillard, let alone Giannis.
It's honestly ridiculous how they keep getting brought up in these discussions with nothing to offer.

[spurraider21]

giannis wants to go to the heat, knicks, nets.

i think the heat will play hardball, to their detriment. and don't the spurs have as much to offer as the knicks / nets?
what do the knicks offer? they have no picks left other than 1 protected pick from washington

nets have a trove of picks like we do, they'd just be giannis and crap if they made a move

miami... can offer at least a couple of picks (dont have a FRP in 25 or 27). but they'd be sending back one of butler or even bam to get it done. you're not getting Giannis for Herro, Jacquez, and 2 first :lol

[spurraider21]

:stirpot:

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[Chinook]

I wouldn't want Giannis on the Spurs. Low-key one of the worst-character guys in the league, is basically a bigger Wesbrook and he completely takes Wemby's spot on the floor. I wasn't hot on Markkanen, but I'd take him 30 times before I even look at Giannis.

[spurraider21]

I wouldn't want Giannis on the Spurs. Low-key one of the worst-character guys in the league, is basically a bigger Wesbrook and he completely takes Wemby's spot on the floor. I wasn't hot on Markkanen, but I'd take him 30 times before I even look at Giannis.
i'd also have preferred a Markkanen trade. the fit was easier, and while Ainge wanted a ton of picks, i dont think you'd be expected to give up multiple pieces in addition to a bunch of picks like you would for Giannis

[spurraider21]

houston also has a solid amount of picks and a hodgepodge of nice looking pieces who dont all seem to fit together. a consolidation move theoretically makes sense for them. no clue if they're looking in that direction though

[Chinook]

i'd also have preferred a Markkanen trade. the fit was easier, and while Ainge wanted a ton of picks, i dont think you'd be expected to give up multiple pieces in addition to a bunch of picks like you would for Giannis

Eh, I think Ainge would want a centerpiece to continue his flips like with Sexton and Mark for Mitchell and Kessler from Minny.

[LeBowen]

I wouldn't want Giannis on the Spurs. Low-key one of the worst-character guys in the league, is basically a bigger Wesbrook and he completely takes Wemby's spot on the floor. I wasn't hot on Markkanen, but I'd take him 30 times before I even look at Giannis.

He's averaging 31/12/6 on 63%, you can't say you wouldn't want a player like that.
Every superstar in today's league has his wishes when it comes to roster construction.

[buttsR4rebounding]

Our farm is not that good.

More like a garden with one really tall weed.

[spurraider21]

Eh, I think Ainge would want a centerpiece to continue his flips like with Sexton and Mark for Mitchell and Kessler from Minny.
i think the centerpiece they'd be looking for would have been Flagg. i dont think vassell would have been on the table in a markkanen deal, whereas i think he'd be included in a giannis deal. i think it would have been sochan + salary + picks for lauri

[Chinook]

He's averaging 31/12/6 on 63%, you can't say you wouldn't want a player like that.
Every superstar in today's league has his wishes when it comes to roster construction.

Pretty sure I've already said I wouldn't want him. And Giannis showed low character long before he became a star. He and Lillard deserve to rot on the Bucks.

[LeBowen]

And Giannis showed low character long before he became a star.

I'm genuinely curious about this one. When? And what did he do?
Up until recent stuff with Bud firing I haven't heard a single actually bad thing about Giannis.

[spurraider21]

the tiny elephant in the room of any kind of "timeline" questions is that you cant count on Paul in a postseason run, and that was part of the appeal of these spurs signing him :lol... we dont need him deep in the playoffs because we arent getting there

[Pauleta14]

Why go after a guy with such a cazy long ass list of injuries intering his 30s??

[scott]

One thing to consider when theorizing a trade for Giannis, or anyone else for that matter, is the Spurs may be on the precipice of a fundamental change in philosophy for the first time in almost 30 years. What does the post-Pop era look like? Do they go to an insider who will allow RC and Brian Wright to continue the same direction? Does RC view this as his time to step down as well? Do the Spurs want to make a bigger splash with may entail a bigger shift of FO personnel? Does this empower Brian Wright to pursue a direction unknown to us that maybe he has preferred all along but couldn’t because Pop and RC?

[baseline bum]

houston also has a solid amount of picks and a hodgepodge of nice looking pieces who dont all seem to fit together. a consolidation move theoretically makes sense for them. no clue if they're looking in that direction though

Yeah Thompson + Whitmore + Smith + picks will be hard for anyone to match.

[gambit1990]

the spurs are not drafting a player better than giannis. that should be the end of the argument.