Jeremy Sochan Fractured Left Thumb

[spurraider21]

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[LeBowen]

Hello tankathon, my old friend, I've come to check the odds again...

[spurraider21]

also those averages are only as low as they are because he left yesterday's game early

[tonight...you]

Damn that sucks.

[BackHome]

Lol. It sucks for Sochan he was having I think a break out season with this injury he probably out 5 to 8 weeks?

[spurraider21]

seems average amount of missed time for fractured thumbs is about 1-1.5 months, which would have him back by early-mid december. i also dont know if those expectations are any different based on whether its a shooting hand or non shooting hand

[BackHome]

It is going to suck if its his shooting hand as he wont be able to do any shooting for at least a month I would think. Well just glad it seems like a clean break with no ligament damage to deal with

[Dejounte]

Shitty luck as he was about to prove doubters wrong

[RC_Drunkford]

It says LEFT thumb if y‘all just read the tweet right. He‘s obviously shooting with his right hand. Our defense will fall off a cliff without him, but at least we‘ll get Devin back soon. Jeremy has been our best player so far.

[The Truth #6]

JFC. Alright then.

[DesignatedT]

Non shooting hand. Can probably start playing with some sort of protection on it within a month is my guess.

[exstatic]

It is going to suck if its his shooting hand as he wont be able to do any shooting for at least a month I would think. Well just glad it seems like a clean break with no ligament damage to deal with

I was thinking the displaced thumb could stop the weird spin.

[Tyronn Lue]

Lol. It sucks for Sochan he was having I think a break out season with this injury he probably out 5 to 8 weeks?
I get it, but what, 6 games or so in he's having a breakout season?

[mikec]

The tank is back baby!!!! :clap

[Mugen]

Hopefully he's back by Christmas tbh.

Need Devin back ASAP.

Would be nice to start Castle but I'm fine with keeping Champagnie in there once DV is back if he's gonna start finding his preseason form ...

Wonder if this opens up things in the paint a bit more so Wemby can get going a bit...

[KingKev]

This is positive for the tank and contract negotiations but damn he really just found his place.

[Dex]

F.

[onechance87]

lets see if mamu can step up

[slick'81]

Of fucking course

[Raven]

huge bummer

[Mugen]

Should at least make the rotations a little cleaner once DV/Tre are back. My expected rotation with Sochan out (provided everybody is healthy):

SL: CP3/Vassell/Champ/Barnes/Wemby
Bench: Tre/Steph/Keldon/Mamu/Zollins


Man I really wish we could package Keldon + Zollins for a legit rotation piece tbh.

[cd98]

Tank in full effect. It will be obvious tank when we see Pop coaching again.

[100%duncan]

Season started off fine, 3-3 with good signs. Was gonna be 4-3 if Jeremy played yesterday. Need Vassell back asap.




The only positive note to this is Mamu may finally get more minutes.

[TheChillFactor]

i like jeremy.

but watch the team play better with improved spacing...

[BackHome]

Barnes played 38 minutes last game he is pretty much going to have to do that for a month

[CorrectCrusader]

I can't take the Keldon minutes anymore! Sochan come back! I'm sorry for hating but Keldon is just that bad!

[TimmyBuckets]

What shitty luck

[tbdog]

Avg time missed to due broken thumb is 25 games or about 6 weeks.

[exstatic]

If he practices shooting while recovering, he’ll have to not use or barely use his left hand, which should improve his shot. A lot of shooting problems are caused by keeping your left hand on the ball too long.

[SayTown]

I can't take the Keldon minutes anymore! Sochan come back! I'm sorry for hating but Keldon is just that bad!

Yes he's off to a really bad start. He's especially hard to watch when he gets into the paint, he gets tunnel vision and forgets he's 6'5 and he tries and put a shot up vs 3 defenders. I wonder if the scouting report on him says to crash on him when he gets to the paint because he's not passing that ball anyways.

[exstatic]

Avg time missed to due broken thumb is 25 games or about 6 weeks.
So, you play 75 games in 18 weeks? That’s most the season,which takes 6 months. It’s either 25 games, or it’s 6 weeks. Those values aren’t interchangeable.

[james evans]

It is going to suck if its his shooting hand as he wont be able to do any shooting for at least a month I would think. Well just glad it seems like a clean break with no ligament damage to deal with
shit, he can't shoot anyway. He's a good defender and finisher at the rim.

[cutewizard]

guys

how many weeks is the recovery time pls??

[cutewizard]

Wemby at center

Barnes and Mamu at forwards (( super spacing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

Paul and soon----Vassell at guards

this team shall score, gentlemen

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHMQSa65xxE

[cutewizard]

Avg time missed to due broken thumb is 25 games or about 6 weeks.

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noted good Sir......time for Mamu to shine.....

Basseyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy ...............is coming.....................

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wy312h_WO6c

[TheBallsbreakers]

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noted good Sir......time for Mamu to shine.....

Basseyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy ...............is coming.....................
Always love your enthusiasm, kapatid.
Parang babae ka magsulat pero segurado ako lalake ka, enthusiastic lang talaga. haha

[spursparker9]

Probably 8 weeks out

[tbdog]

So, you play 75 games in 18 weeks? That’s most the season,which takes 6 months. It’s either 25 games, or it’s 6 weeks. Those values aren’t interchangeable.

Yeah I'm wrong. I'm reading 4 to 6 weeks. As quick as less than 2 weeks from non shooting hands. This is a fracture and apparently the avg missed games is 8.3 games. But that average of based on finger injuries rather specifically thumb fracture.

[playbonner15]

Always love your enthusiasm, kapatid.
Parang babae ka magsulat pero segurado ako lalake ka, enthusiastic lang talaga. haha
chixilog LMAO :lol

[spursparker9]

Kobe played through finger injury but I roughly recalled it was his ring finger

Thumb is much more essential and easily re-injure. Considering Spurs medical staff being more prudent, likely Sochan is out for 8 weeks

[DAF86]

Start Castle and get Mamu back into the rotation, imho.

[couchman]

The fact that it requires surgery indicates a displaced fracture that may take a little while to heal.
Sochan has arguably been our best player so far this season so this is a big blow.
OTOH we tanking right?

[SpurSpike]

Likely out for 21 games or 52 days from this source...

https://sports.yahoo.com/spurs-reported-great-level-concern-002325781.html

[Fireball]

Get well Jeremy

[Ice009]

Wow. I'm shocked. First Pop is out (I really, really hope he is alright, no idea why they're not saying what happened) and now Jeremy. Jeremy was playing great to start the season.

[djohn2oo8]

Fuck him. Role player talking like a star.

[spurraider21]

Fuck him. Role player talking like a star.
fuck houston

[spurs10]

Hello tankathon, my old friend, I've come to check the odds again...
Cause a finger horribly breaking
Hurt our chance of ever com-pet-ing
And the loses that were planted in my brain
Still remain

[Mugen]

Fuck him. Role player talking like a star.

:lol

[rjv]

fuck houston

best line ever. that alone should get sochan's jersey retired.

[Pauleta14]

It sucks but it's an injury that won't prevent him from staying in shape and he should be ready and full of energy when he comes back.

He can still have a 60 game season

[The Truth #6]

Cause a finger horribly breaking
Hurt our chance of ever com-pet-ing
And the loses that were planted in my brain
Still remain

Hello darkness, my old friend
I've come to tank with you again...

[spursgu]

Fuck him. Role player talking like a star.

shut up bitch and focus on your mediocre team. Even if we never win with Wemby, yall won’t win this century as well.

[Mugen]

Sounds like Castle will get the start in place of Jeremy against the Rockets tbh. Per a Mitch pregame interview.

[tonight...you]

Sounds like Castle will get the start in place of Jeremy against the Rockets tbh. Per a Mitch pregame interview.
So Barnes at PF and Castle at the 3?

[ismael-robert]

Who sat on his thumb n went for a spin

[Ice009]

Man, very disappointing as it can hurt his progress that he was making this season. He was also the Spurs' best or top 2 players so far this season. Could take away all the momentum and improvements it looked like he was making towards becoming a better player. He'll have to start from zero again. Hopefully he's up to the task.

[TheBallsbreakers]

chixilog LMAO :lol
haha

[james evans]

I hated Sochan last year, but I now see it wasn't his fault. Popovich was fucking up his game. This year he's been balling. One thing that I noticed is that it's hard for Wemby to be dominant with sochan on the floor. Sochan isn't a consistent shooter and even though he's great at driving to the basket, he's not worthy of being doubled. It's going to be hard to create spacing with Sochan AND wemby on the floor.

As for Collins/Johnson being on the floor at the same time, this should stop. These 2 are like Diaw/West from the 2015 season. They should absolutely NEVER play together. Johnson shoots 99.9% of the time he drives to the basket while not being able to defend anyone and Collins just doesn't do anything good whatsoever.

[ace3g]

https://x.com/KSATMaryRom/status/1859024653442007288

[ace3g]

https://x.com/SpursReporter/status/1859024568868106467

[ambchang]

That is one ugly hitchy jump shot. Man I’m starting to think I can beat him in keys.

[rascal]

That is one ugly hitchy jump shot. Man I’m starting to think I can beat him in keys.

Why does he bend his knees so much. That makes him smaller.

[exstatic]

Why does he bend his knees so much. That makes him smaller.

Because you’re SUPPOSED to use your fucking legs to add energy to the shot.

[rascal]

Because you’re SUPPOSED to use your fucking legs to add energy to the shot.

You don't bend knees as far down as he does. It's not even for jumping as he just comes up with a pause and shoots the ball with no lift on his set shot.

[8FOR!3]

How is his shot motion so bad it is beyond me.

[Chomag]

The fact that the shooting coach let's him shoot 1 handed free throws tells me that he isn't doing a damn thing to try to improve Socha's shooting form. As a matter of fact what do any of our coaching staff do?

[exstatic]

The fact that the shooting coach let's him shoot 1 handed free throws tells me that he isn't doing a damn thing to try to improve Socha's shooting form. As a matter of fact what do any of our coaching staff do?

He was shooting 46%, pre one hand technique. It was an absolute win.

[spurraider21]

You don't bend knees as far down as he does. It's not even for jumping as he just comes up with a pause and shoots the ball with no lift on his set shot.
someone should tell rascal about bruce bowen

[John B]

https://x.com/KSATMaryRom/status/1859024653442007288

Isn’t that travel when you jump off both feet? :lol

Anyways I can’t wait to watch what this team is capable at full strength. Obviously the silver lining is Castle getting all the minutes and he’s absolutely making the most of it, especially last night making decisions in the stretch.

[SpursGenius]

Keldon dribble drive into paint and turn ball over. Or brick critical threes

[Mr. Body]

The fact that the shooting coach let's him shoot 1 handed free throws tells me that he isn't doing a damn thing to try to improve Socha's shooting form. As a matter of fact what do any of our coaching staff do?

Bruh, how do you take that as not doing anything to improve his form? Like, if Jeremy said, Imma bounce shots off my butt, they'd let him? The switch to shooting one handed was to get his supposed guide hand off the ball, because it was impacting the shot.

Tbh and fair, I don't understand how you're processing this as exactly the opposite of what's happening.

[spursparker9]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtubX_qouPs

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oIXBBaIgfk

[emanueldavidginobili]

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[rankingtear]

The PG experiment last season skewed his defensive advance stats numbers. He is at 94 percentile defender this season per EPM ranked 23rd about the same as when you only consider the PF minutes last season. The players with >= defensive EPM of 94 + >= 23 usage are all projected all stars. There is a path to a two-way monster in there somewhere if the coaching staff and Sochan figures it out.

[John B]

1862575740354433212

Wow that would be awesome. Sochan brings another level of toughness that is quite infectious

[Degoat]

Imo lineup needs to be

CP3
Castle
Barnes
Sochan
Wemby

have Jones, Vassell, KJ, Julian, and I guess ZC be the backups right now. I still believe Vassell has potential All star potential but he’s gotta stay healthy for 20+ games before inserting him back in the SL

[KobesAchilles]

Imo lineup needs to be

CP3
Castle
Barnes
Sochan
Wemby

have Jones, Vassell, KJ, Julian, and I guess ZC be the backups right now. I still believe Vassell has potential All star potential but he’s gotta stay healthy for 20+ games before inserting him back in the SL
Vassell needs to learn how to actually play basketball before anything else. This mindset that he could be an all star needs to be the farthest thing he focuses on. Dude needs to crash rebounds more, be in correct position on defense, stop gambling so much on defense and spacing out. He needs to set better screens on offense, find the open man better, and learn how to impact a game while only getting 12 shots a game. I’d actually say Vassell has the toughest assignment out of any of the youth bc it’s a complete rebuild of his game to fit the teams needs rather than his.

Also this year I would like Champ to start over Sochan (if Castle is starting too) just for spacing. Sochan doesn’t take our make enough 3s for the spacing to be what I’d like it to be. Dude is making less than half a 3 a game while Champ is at 2.5 made threes a game. There’s a big difference there. Sochan running the point forward of the bench would be nice too.

[Pauleta14]

The PG experiment last season skewed his defensive advance stats numbers. He is at 94 percentile defender this season per EPM ranked 23rd about the same as when you only consider the PF minutes last season. The players with >= defensive EPM of 94 + >= 23 usage are all projected all stars. There is a path to a two-way monster in there somewhere if the coaching staff and Sochan figures it out.

We can hope Sochan keeps getting better without copping with exaggerated facts, can't we?

The "PG experiment" lasted less than Wemby's "observation"'s, barely one month.

We all miss his defensive impact, but he needs to get better with Wemby on offense for him to be a long term starter. His offence has gotten better... when Vic is on the bench for now.

[LeBowen]

Vassell needs to learn how to actually play basketball before anything else. This mindset that he could be an all star needs to be the farthest thing he focuses on.

He definitely needs to work on a lot of things, but saying he can't play basketball is ridiculous.
He often looked like a chucker because there was literally noone else to take shots on those awful rosters.


Dude needs to crash rebounds more

Not including this and his rookie year, he averages exactly 4 rebounds in 30mpg over 177 games.
Perfectly fine for a 6'5 guard.
Barnes is averaging 4.7 and Champagnie is at 5.1 this season in 29mpg each.
Both are noticably bigger (not just taller) than him.

If you're going to talk about rebounding, I'd say that the entire team except Jeremy has this issue where they think Wemby will just get every rebound and they leak out way too often, resulting in offensive rebounds and wide open shots.


be in correct position on defense, stop gambling so much on defense and spacing out.

Are you talking about Devin or Dejounte? He could be more engaged and aggressive, but he never gambled that much.


He needs to set better screens on offense, find the open man better, and learn how to impact a game while only getting 12 shots a game.

Now you're just nitpicking for the sake of it.
Last season he was easily our second best playmaker with great assist/turnover ratio.
He'll never be a combo forward, average 7 assist per game or whatever, but his passing and most importantly chemistry with Wemby is very good.


I’d actually say Vassell has the toughest assignment out of any of the youth bc it’s a complete rebuild of his game to fit the teams needs rather than his.

I'd say he has the easiest assignment because he's just a traditional shooting guard. With the addition of CP3 and Castle, he won't need to do much playmaking.
He'll need to hit his shots, go back to being an off-ball player which suits him better and get his defensive focus back.
Will he be an all-star? I don't think so.
But if he can be a consistent, efficent 20ppg scorer with at least neutral defense, it would be great for the team.

[CGD]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtubX_qouPs

All that stuff about Jeremy’s dad is just wrong, lol. Quick factcheck would have revealed that.

[KobesAchilles]

He definitely needs to work on a lot of things, but saying he can't play basketball is ridiculous.
He often looked like a chucker because there was literally noone else to take shots on those awful rosters.



Not including this and his rookie year, he averages exactly 4 rebounds in 30mpg over 177 games.
Perfectly fine for a 6'5 guard.
Barnes is averaging 4.7 and Champagnie is at 5.1 this season in 29mpg each.
Both are noticably bigger (not just taller) than him.

If you're going to talk about rebounding, I'd say that the entire team except Jeremy has this issue where they think Wemby will just get every rebound and they leak out way too often, resulting in offensive rebounds and wide open shots.



Are you talking about Devin or Dejounte? He could be more engaged and aggressive, but he never gambled that much.



Now you're just nitpicking for the sake of it.
Last season he was easily our second best playmaker with great assist/turnover ratio.
He'll never be a combo forward, average 7 assist per game or whatever, but his passing and most importantly chemistry with Wemby is very good.



I'd say he has the easiest assignment because he's just a traditional shooting guard. With the addition of CP3 and Castle, he won't need to do much playmaking.
He'll need to hit his shots, go back to being an off-ball player which suits him better and get his defensive focus back.
Will he be an all-star? I don't think so.
But if he can be a consistent, efficent 20ppg scorer with at least neutral defense, it would be great for the team.
I didn’t say he needs to average more rebounds, but rather he needs to crash for the boards more. Something you also admit. I don’t really care about rebounding numbers for guards but I do care about effort. Yes the whole team needs to work on not just relying on Wemby to rebound, but he is a part of that as well.

Devin is consistently out of position on defense. It’s annoying. It’s why you can’t play him and KJ together as starters. They both are just ball watchers. They don’t keep track of their man on defense and just give up open 3 after open 3. It’s been a whole career of that. You would think after 5 years Devin would learn how to play defense. But he hasn’t so guess what, he needs to LEARN how to play basketball. Hell there are so many things this dude needs to learnt to be a trustworthy and good basketball player that it scares me you think he knows how to play basketball. This isn’t the park. Winning actually matters. Winning plays actually matter. Attention to detail actually matters. Knowledge of both your team and the other team actually matter. All of these things Devin (and all the youth) need to learn. Ask yourself, would you rather have Devin or 2013 Danny? The answer is Danny and why? Bc he learned how to play basketball. Devin is the better player. But Danny is who you’d rather have.

So many people are like you who think he just needs to be a 20ppg player and all this other nonsense. Dude doesn’t need to average 20 a game for us and will be a detriment to us if he is one. His dribbling isn’t good enough for it, he can’t drive past his defenders at a high enough clip in pick n roll, he really doesn’t get much separation which is part of why he takes so many tough shots.

Ideally, (for me and you can disagree) Devin isn’t a 20ppg player. Bc those are a dime a dozen and don’t contribute to winning. Manu never averaged 20ppg and is one of the greatest winners of all time bc he knew how to play basketball. And no I’m not saying Devin should be like Manu, but rather that this arbitrary 20ppg scorer is not what players should focus on.

It’s also not nitpicking. He should be getting 10-12 shots a game on a winning team. So he needs to maximize those 12 shots. Last year he shot 16 shot attempts per game and it wasn’t just bc he was the only one who could shoot. He was a chucker. There are different ways to go about maximizing his shots. This year he is doing well at averaging 6 threes a game. But I’d like for that to be at 8 a game. Other might say that he is fine with his shot distribution on 3s and 2s.

Devin doesn’t need to be a shot creator. I don’t care about his counting stats and I don’t want him averaging 7 assists a game. Hell if Devin averaged 15 points a game, played actual defense, crashed the boards consistently, and moved the ball around instead of taking these dumb contested fade away 2 pointers I would love that. Counting stats don’t equate a winner. KG put up amazing counting stats. Dude got bounced in the first round 8 straight years. Duncan put up worse stats and didn’t lose in the first round til year 14. And it wasn’t bc KG had worse teams. It’s bc Duncan knew how to play the game and KG didn’t.

Now Duncan had vets teach him how to play basketball. Something KG didn’t have. We have 2 key vets in Barnes and CP3 that our players are going to learn from. I really want more vets with championship experience instead of just one in Barnes. This whole team needs to learn. And I hope Devin does learn from them.

[LeBowen]

I didn’t say he needs to average more rebounds, but rather he needs to crash for the boards more. Something you also admit. I don’t really care about rebounding numbers for guards but I do care about effort. Yes the whole team needs to work on not just relying on Wemby to rebound, but he is a part of that as well.

If the entire team has issues with crashing the boards, then you can't pin it just on Devin.


Devin is consistently out of position on defense. It’s annoying. It’s why you can’t play him and KJ together as starters. They both are just ball watchers. They don’t keep track of their man on defense and just give up open 3 after open 3. It’s been a whole career of that. You would think after 5 years Devin would learn how to play defense. But he hasn’t so guess what, he needs to LEARN how to play basketball. Hell there are so many things this dude needs to learnt to be a trustworthy and good basketball player that it scares me you think he knows how to play basketball. This isn’t the park. Winning actually matters. Winning plays actually matter. Attention to detail actually matters. Knowledge of both your team and the other team actually matter. All of these things Devin (and all the youth) need to learn. Ask yourself, would you rather have Devin or 2013 Danny? The answer is Danny and why? Bc he learned how to play basketball. Devin is the better player. But Danny is who you’d rather have.

He's nowhere near Keldon's level of defensive incompetence.
Again, this is the first year he'll have a competent team around him and we need to wait and see how it plays out.
Jeremy made no improvement in his second year because the team was dysfunctional.


So many people are like you who think he just needs to be a 20ppg player and all this other nonsense. Dude doesn’t need to average 20 a game for us and will be a detriment to us if he is one. His dribbling isn’t good enough for it, he can’t drive past his defenders at a high enough clip in pick n roll, he really doesn’t get much separation which is part of why he takes so many tough shots.

I'd argue that we need someone other than Wemby who can reliably score because right now it's either Wemby or CP3 when things get tough.
He doesn't need to dribble, he needs to focus on moving off the ball and getting into good positions.


Ideally, (for me and you can disagree) Devin isn’t a 20ppg player. Bc those are a dime a dozen and don’t contribute to winning. Manu never averaged 20ppg and is one of the greatest winners of all time bc he knew how to play basketball. And no I’m not saying Devin should be like Manu, but rather that this arbitrary 20ppg scorer is not what players should focus on.

It's about efficency. If he can average efficent 20ppg while playing off the ball and not isoing, then he's a valuable asset.
Our defense looks way better this year, but offense is the issue. When 3pts aren't falling, there's noone reliable enough to score the ball.


It’s also not nitpicking. He should be getting 10-12 shots a game on a winning team. So he needs to maximize those 12 shots. Last year he shot 16 shot attempts per game and it wasn’t just bc he was the only one who could shoot. He was a chucker. There are different ways to go about maximizing his shots. This year he is doing well at averaging 6 threes a game. But I’d like for that to be at 8 a game. Other might say that he is fine with his shot distribution on 3s and 2s.

I'd argue that last year he was too passive in a lot of games while Jeremy and Keldon chucked their way to Ls.
19ppg on league average 58% TS is good for someone on a bad team who struggles with getting to the line.


Devin doesn’t need to be a shot creator. I don’t care about his counting stats and I don’t want him averaging 7 assists a game. Hell if Devin averaged 15 points a game, played actual defense, crashed the boards consistently, and moved the ball around instead of taking these dumb contested fade away 2 pointers I would love that.

That was kind of my entire point.

I think everyone on the roster understands Wemby will be the best player in the league in no time and that their best chance of actually winning something will be if they adapt to him and try to stay on the roster.
Anyone who doesn't fall in line will get traded. Devin already got paid and it would be dumb of him to go against the team's wishes so early in the contract.

[ambchang]

All that stuff about Jeremy’s dad is just wrong, lol. Quick factcheck would have revealed that.

Not only can he not pronounce sochan’s last name, he pronounced it 4 different ways, often times in back to back sentences.

Then there is diaws last name.

Then pops role in selecting Parker.

Just poorly researched stuff.

[RC_Drunkford]

Vassell played 5 games with a team that runs completely different defensive schemes this season „b-b-but he‘s out of position“ No shit it takes a couple of games to adjust

[Spurs Homer]

Too bad that injury on sochan will alter his picture perfect pretty jump shot!

[RC_Drunkford]

I didn’t say he needs to average more rebounds, but rather he needs to crash for the boards more. Something you also admit. I don’t really care about rebounding numbers for guards but I do care about effort. Yes the whole team needs to work on not just relying on Wemby to rebound, but he is a part of that as well.

Devin is consistently out of position on defense. It’s annoying. It’s why you can’t play him and KJ together as starters. They both are just ball watchers. They don’t keep track of their man on defense and just give up open 3 after open 3. It’s been a whole career of that. You would think after 5 years Devin would learn how to play defense. But he hasn’t so guess what, he needs to LEARN how to play basketball. Hell there are so many things this dude needs to learnt to be a trustworthy and good basketball player that it scares me you think he knows how to play basketball. This isn’t the park. Winning actually matters. Winning plays actually matter. Attention to detail actually matters. Knowledge of both your team and the other team actually matter. All of these things Devin (and all the youth) need to learn. Ask yourself, would you rather have Devin or 2013 Danny? The answer is Danny and why? Bc he learned how to play basketball. Devin is the better player. But Danny is who you’d rather have.

So many people are like you who think he just needs to be a 20ppg player and all this other nonsense. Dude doesn’t need to average 20 a game for us and will be a detriment to us if he is one. His dribbling isn’t good enough for it, he can’t drive past his defenders at a high enough clip in pick n roll, he really doesn’t get much separation which is part of why he takes so many tough shots.

Ideally, (for me and you can disagree) Devin isn’t a 20ppg player. Bc those are a dime a dozen and don’t contribute to winning. Manu never averaged 20ppg and is one of the greatest winners of all time bc he knew how to play basketball. And no I’m not saying Devin should be like Manu, but rather that this arbitrary 20ppg scorer is not what players should focus on.

It’s also not nitpicking. He should be getting 10-12 shots a game on a winning team. So he needs to maximize those 12 shots. Last year he shot 16 shot attempts per game and it wasn’t just bc he was the only one who could shoot. He was a chucker. There are different ways to go about maximizing his shots. This year he is doing well at averaging 6 threes a game. But I’d like for that to be at 8 a game. Other might say that he is fine with his shot distribution on 3s and 2s.

Devin doesn’t need to be a shot creator. I don’t care about his counting stats and I don’t want him averaging 7 assists a game. Hell if Devin averaged 15 points a game, played actual defense, crashed the boards consistently, and moved the ball around instead of taking these dumb contested fade away 2 pointers I would love that. Counting stats don’t equate a winner. KG put up amazing counting stats. Dude got bounced in the first round 8 straight years. Duncan put up worse stats and didn’t lose in the first round til year 14. And it wasn’t bc KG had worse teams. It’s bc Duncan knew how to play the game and KG didn’t.

Now Duncan had vets teach him how to play basketball. Something KG didn’t have. We have 2 key vets in Barnes and CP3 that our players are going to learn from. I really want more vets with championship experience instead of just one in Barnes. This whole team needs to learn. And I hope Devin does learn from them.

I got a headache from reading this bullshit. Last year he was one of the better pick & roll players in the league. He played a total of 5 games and you act like he‘s played half a season. The last 2 years nobody played defense by design, it’s called tanking. Everybody with a pair of eyes can see that this year our players are in the gaps and properly rotating. It‘ll take a couple games for him to learn the schemes.

Devin needs to get open jump shots, now with CP3 and Castle on the team he should actually get those. He‘s the best shooter on the team so yeah he should get 15+ shots and not 10. He should do the iso scoring when he plays with the bench while Wemby is sitting, unless you‘d rather see Tre Jones pass up a 3 or Keldon Johnson drive into a crowd.

[Mr. Body]

I'd say the Spurs are ahead of expectations in terms of wins. At least general expectations. I wouldn't keep an eye off staying competitive, but working to integrate Jeremy and Devin back into the squad should be a priority, especially since Vassell hasn't worked much with the vets.

[CGD]

Not only can he not pronounce sochan’s last name, he pronounced it 4 different ways, often times in back to back sentences.

Then there is diaws last name.

Then pops role in selecting Parker.

Just poorly researched stuff.

The Diaw thing and the random use of British terms (like “match” for game and “manager” for coach) make me realize this is likely an AI video.

[Raven]

Devin actually showed he improved a lot on defense last year, becoming an average defender, which is huge. He needs to get back in form and the move to the bench doesn't help with automatisms, but he should be just fine.

[spurraider21]

Vassell played 5 games with a team that runs completely different defensive schemes this season „b-b-but he‘s out of position“ No shit it takes a couple of games to adjust
I’m much more worried about his offensive style of play right now than defensive rotations

[Raven]

let's address the elephant in the room, without him our D has gone down the toilet, and that is despite adding stephon who is supposed to be a plus defender.

[Knoxxx]

Sochan is the best D against certain matchups such as SGA and LeBron.

Edit: and Doncic. His extra length bothers those larger ball handlers more than Castle can.

[LeBowen]

Sochan is the best D against certain matchups such as SGA and LeBron.

Edit: and Doncic. His extra length bothers those larger ball handlers more than Castle can.

Castle was fine against SGA, it's just that we didn't have anyone to guard Lebron.
We've been struggling with star wings ever since nephew did his thing.

[Raven]

Castle was fine against SGA, it's just that we didn't have anyone to guard Lebron.
We've been struggling with star wings ever since nephew did his thing.

castle is only good against pgs, against bigger guards he gets bullied in the paint and can't contest them on the perimeter.

[LeBowen]

castle is only good against pgs, against bigger guards he gets bullied in the paint and can't contest them on the perimeter.

Do you think that if you keep repeating that nonsense, which you've been doing for like a month now, people will start believing it?

Castle is fine against anyone 6'7 or under.
Today's league is way too offense oriented and even the best defenders get torched sometimes, it's just how it works.
You can't expect to completely shut down anyone in a game that's designed to have 200+ points per game.

Castle doesn't get bullied by anyone his size, he just has a horrible whistle and then he starts heistating to get physical again because of foul trouble if refs start calling those minimal contact fouls.

A couple of weeks ago I listened to a podcast with Derrick and when he was asked about defense, he said the most important thing is mentality.
He said that the best advice he got was from Demar who made him realize that star players will score on you no matter what and that you shouldn't get discouraged by it.
(I know, Demar isn't the best guy to give advice on defense, but still.)

[Raven]

Do you think that if you keep repeating that nonsense, which you've been doing for like a month now, people will start believing it?

Castle is fine against anyone 6'7 or under.
Today's league is way too offense oriented and even the best defenders get torched sometimes, it's just how it works.
You can't expect to completely shut down anyone in a game that's designed to have 200+ points per game.

Castle doesn't get bullied by anyone his size, he just has a horrible whistle and then he starts heistating to get physical again because of foul trouble if refs start calling those minimal contact fouls.

A couple of weeks ago I listened to a podcast with Derrick and when he was asked about defense, he said the most important thing is mentality.
He said that the best advice he got was from Demar who made him realize that star players will score on you no matter what and that you shouldn't get discouraged by it.
(I know, Demar isn't the best guy to give advice on defense, but still.)

it seems pretty obvious to me

[LeBowen]

it seems pretty obvious to me

Then it's pretty obvious you don't know much about actual basketball.
You legit expect a rookie to hold star players to 20% FG or something?

[Seventyniner]

Do you think that if you keep repeating that nonsense, which you've been doing for like a month now, people will start believing it?

Castle is fine against anyone 6'7 or under.
Today's league is way too offense oriented and even the best defenders get torched sometimes, it's just how it works.
You can't expect to completely shut down anyone in a game that's designed to have 200+ points per game.

Castle doesn't get bullied by anyone his size, he just has a horrible whistle and then he starts heistating to get physical again because of foul trouble if refs start calling those minimal contact fouls.

A couple of weeks ago I listened to a podcast with Derrick and when he was asked about defense, he said the most important thing is mentality.
He said that the best advice he got was from Demar who made him realize that star players will score on you no matter what and that you shouldn't get discouraged by it.
(I know, Demar isn't the best guy to give advice on defense, but still.)

Way over 200 points per game, almost 226 right now, though I get your point.

About the defense thing, DeMar obviously was never a plus defender but he has torched plenty of good defenders himself. He knows from the offensive side what it's like to see a defender get discouraged.

[Raven]

Then it's pretty obvious you don't know much about actual basketball.
You legit expect a rookie to hold star players to 20% FG or something?

where did i say it is unexpected or that i expect better from him? I think it is both normal and acceptable. Doesn't mean we shouldn't adjust to this.

[TimmyBuckets]

Might come back in phoenix

[SpurSpike]

Durring the broadcast last night I heard Sean and Toby say something about Sochan getting in an altercation with another spur during practice, but they wouldn't say who.

[scott]

Durring the broadcast last night I heard Sean and Toby say something about Sochan getting in an altercation with another spur during practice, but they wouldn't say who.

Vegas Odds:

Zollins -125 (the obvious favorite for this prop)
CP3 +130 (CP3 doesn't take shit, meanwhile Sochan doesn't really have much respect for elders)
Mamu +180 (Eastern European Blood runs hot sometimes)
Bassey +600 (Charlie seems like too nice of a dude)
Field +105

[SpurSpike]

Yeah I was kinda thinking Zollins because he was on the bench the whole 1st half until Bassey was forced out with fouls. CP3 is also a contender because like you said he doesn't take shit. Mamu and Bassey seem like nice dudes, don't picture it being them. Maybe Keldon, don't they like slapping each other? lol, Maybe it got out of hand?

[exstatic]

I was thinking Malaki or Blake may be getting salty about their DNPs. That might set something off.

[LeBowen]

I was thinking Malaki or Blake may be getting salty about their DNPs. That might set something off.

More like they should be happy they got another guaranteed year even though they did nothing to warrant it.

[spurraider21]

More like they should be happy they got another guaranteed year even though they did nothing to warrant it.
they're the lazy mobsters from sopranos with the no-show and no-work jobs

[TimmyBuckets]

I thought it was something like "he got in it" with someone or something, so maybe an energy play or aggressive defense. I don't think it was an actual altercation.

[Spurs Brazil]

https://x.com/JMcDonald_SAEN/status/1863738743607398510

[Joseph Kony]

rotation should be interesting going forward with Sochan back. wonder if Mitch is going to bench Castle or have Jeremy come off the bench like DV has been

[DAF86]

rotation should be interesting going forward with Sochan back. wonder if Mitch is going to bench Castle or have Jeremy come off the bench like DV has been

For now, I would keep the SL the same and bring Vassell and Sochan slowly.

CP3, Castle, Champ, Barnes, Wemby

Tre/Wesley, Vassell, Keldon, Sochan, Collins

Once Vassell and Sochan are 100%, I'd start them and bench Champ and Barnes.

CP3, Castle, Vassell, Sochan, Wemby

Tre, Champ, Keldon, Barnes, Collins

[lefty20]

For now, I would keep the SL the same and bring Vassell and Sochan slowly.

CP3, Castle, Champ, Barnes, Wemby

Tre/Wesley, Vassell, Keldon, Sochan, Collins

Once Vassell and Sochan are 100%, I'd start them and bench Champ and Barnes.

CP3, Castle, Vassell, Sochan, Wemby

Tre, Champ, Keldon, Barnes, Collins

I don't see any reason to bring Sochan along slowly. He didn't have a lower body injury like Vassell.

Castle's recent struggles prolly make the decision much easier for the coaching staff.

[DAF86]

I don't see any reason to bring Sochan along slowly. He didn't have a lower body injury like Vassell.

Castle's recent struggles prolly make the decision much easier for the coaching staff.

The reason would be giving the best lineup in the entire NBA (CP3, Castle, Champ, Barnes, Wemby) the excuse to have more games starting together, with the added bonus of having Vassell and Sochan coming off the bench. I'm on record saying that I want Vassell and Sochan to comeback to the SL eventually, but if that rotation gets into a crazy run, I'm not against keeping the SL intact and bringing Vassell and Sochan off the bench for the reminder of the season.

Benching Castle, I don't think would be smart. If the Spurs see him as the 2nd core piece behind Wemby, it doesn't make sense to go from starting him and playing him 30+ minutes per game, to bench him and play him around 20.

[poopbox]

Going to need Castle defense against Booker and KD so no matter what he should get the start tomorrow.

[lefty20]

The reason would be giving the best lineup in the entire NBA (CP3, Castle, Champ, Barnes, Wemby) the excuse to have more games starting together, with the added bonus of having Vassell and Sochan coming off the bench. I'm on record saying that I want Vassell and Sochan to comeback to the SL eventually, but if that rotation gets into a crazy run, I'm not against keeping the SL intact and bringing Vassell and Sochan off the bench for the reminder of the season.

Benching Castle, I don't think would be smart. If the Spurs see him as the 2nd core piece behind Wemby, it doesn't make sense to go from starting him and playing him 30+ minutes per game, to bench him and play him around 20.

I'm not calling for Castle's minutes being cut either. He can still touch 30 mins from the bench. Give him some of Keldon's minutes. I don't ever wanna see Keldon at the 4 again.

The best lineup thing is a bit overblown, tbh. It was not the largest sample size to begin with And I'm curious as to where that lineup stands after the last 2-3 games.

[Mugen]

Pretty crazy recovery period for Jeremy. Will be nice to have him back to guard Durant tbh.

[DAF86]

I'm not calling for Castle's minutes being cut either. He can still touch 30 mins from the bench. Give him some of Keldon's minutes. I don't ever wanna see Keldon at the 4 again.

The best lineup thing is a bit overblown, tbh. It was not the largest sample size to begin with And I'm curious as to where that lineup stands after the last 2-3 games.

Even if Castle remains a 30 mpg guy coming off the bench (pretty unlikely), he would be sharing more minutes with the bench than the starters. We want Castle to build that report with Wemby and the starting unit.

[scott]

I'm not calling for Castle's minutes being cut either. He can still touch 30 mins from the bench. Give him some of Keldon's minutes. I don't ever wanna see Keldon at the 4 again.

The best lineup thing is a bit overblown, tbh. It was not the largest sample size to begin with And I'm curious as to where that lineup stands after the last 2-3 games.

It's still the best 5-man lineup in the league, with a minimum of 75 minutes played, though the gap has narrowed.

The sample size is as large as the other top lineups, at 130 minutes played. Houston's starting 5 has played 285 minutes and has a NETRTG of 10.4, which is still the 9th best 5-man lineup in the league with a MP min of 75.

If we get to 200 minutes and the NETRTG of this group has fallen off a cliff, I might feel different but for now I'd keep things exactly as is, a big reason being that Devin and Sochan off the bench improves our bench more than sending Champ and Barnes to the bench. The incremental gains of having Devin and Jeremy as subs is far greater than the incremental gains of having them as starters, IMO.



Rank
Lineup
GP
MP
NETRTG


1
Paul-Barnes-Champ-Wemby-Castle
12
130
22.8


2
DeRozan-Sabonis-Fox-Monk-Murray
9
83
20.7


3
Horford-Holiday-Brown-Tatum-White
9
163
20.1


4
Harden-Dunn-Zuban-Jones Jr-Coffey
10
131
16.2


5
Gordon-Jokic-Murray-Porter Jr-Braun
6
120
131.2

[exstatic]

It's still the best 5-man lineup in the league, with a minimum of 75 minutes played, though the gap has narrowed.

The sample size is as large as the other top lineups, at 130 minutes played. Houston's starting 5 has played 285 minutes and has a NETRTG of 10.4, which is still the 9th best 5-man lineup in the league with a MP min of 75.

If we get to 200 minutes and the NETRTG of this group has fallen off a cliff, I might feel different but for now I'd keep things exactly as is, a big reason being that Devin and Sochan off the bench improves our bench more than sending Champ and Barnes to the bench. The incremental gains of having Devin and Jeremy as subs is far greater than the incremental gains of having them as starters, IMO.



Rank
Lineup
GP
MP
NETRTG


1
Paul-Barnes-Champ-Wemby-Castle
12
130
22.8


2
DeRozan-Sabonis-Fox-Monk-Murray
9
83
20.7


3
Horford-Holiday-Brown-Tatum-White
9
163
20.1


4
Harden-Dunn-Zuban-Jones Jr-Coffey
10
131
16.2


5
Gordon-Jokic-Murray-Porter Jr-Braun
6
120
131.2



Is that #5 lineup for this year, or 20131? That’s quite the net.

[spurs10]

Glad Sochan is back so soon...ws thinking well into 2025.

[scott]

Is that #5 lineup for this year, or 20131? That’s quite the net.

Haha, I wrote down that lineups ORTG instead of their Net (15.1).

[exstatic]

Glad Sochan is back so soon...ws thinking well into 2025.

They had announced a few weeks ago that the target date was 19 December, so it was never going to be ‘well into 2025’. He’s about 2 weeks early, give or take.

[Davidicus]

Going to need Castle defense against Booker and KD so no matter what he should get the start tomorrow.

This is interesting, long-term. With the probable SL of Paul Vassell Champ Sochan Wemby, it’d be interesting if they swap Castle for Vassell or Champ based on who we’re playing superstar-wise. Maybe Castle when we have on-ball creators like Morant etc, but Champ when more pure scorers/finishers like Booker. Or Castle for Vassell, which would really be interesting / controversial.