Anyone here hurt by rising tariffs/costs yet?

[spurraider21]

Getting this baby warmed up

[SnakeBoy]

Not me, I'm doing great! Better off than under Biden!

[Winehole23]

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-victory-china-tariffs-taxes-inflation/

[DMX7]

Not me, I'm doing great! Better off than under Biden!

You're still under Biden.

[Winehole23]

gettin ready to flip again


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gbv2Mu2agAAX_n9?format=jpg&name=900x900

[SnakeBoy]

You're still under Biden.

I'm warming up

[CosmicCowboy]

Stock market went nuts today with Trumps election.

[Spurs Homer]

How close did hunter biden get to winning?
asking for a friend….

[Winehole23]

1858209591256899925https://x.com/besttrousers/status/1858209591256899925

[Winehole23]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gcl_THAWwAElfGI?format=jpg&name=900x900

[SnakeBoy]

20% in 3 years seems high

[Winehole23]

20% in 3 years seems highthe pandemic and the supply crunch were epochal, so was the greed.

[GAustex]

Money printers go whirrrrr

[ChumpDumper]

20% in 3 years seems high

Would you prefer Russia's inflation rate?

[HemisfairArena]

Would you prefer Russia's inflation rate?


Would you prefer Cuba's inflation rate since you demotards love socialism so much?,,,,

[Blake]

Would you prefer Cuba's inflation rate since you demotards love socialism so much?,,,,

You trumptards really love it. You either don't know what it means here or you just never say it out loud.

[HemisfairArena]

You trumptards really love it. You either don't know what it means here or you just never say it out loud.

Flake,,,,youre the stupidest fuck on this board,,,,its why you are a hardcore democrat,,,,,explain your positions, dumbass,,,,

[ChumpDumper]

Would you prefer Cuba's inflation rate since you demotards love socialism so much?,,,,

No. Would you prefer Russia's inflation?

An honest answer will not kill you. Or maybe it will.

[Blake]

Flake,,,,youre the stupidest fuck on this board,,,,its why you are a hardcore democrat,,,,,explain your positions, dumbass,,,,

Your man crush has talked about capping credit card interest rates at 10%. I doubt he'll actually follow through, but feel free to explain how that's not socialism, if you can, when you have a moment during your 3am graveyard shift

[SnakeBoy]

lol whatabout the free market

Todays libs smh

[ChumpDumper]

^afraid of simple questions

[ElNono]

Republicans suddenly think the economy’s great and the election wasn’t rigged
Less than two weeks since Donald Trump’s victory, consumer sentiment in the Republican Party has skyrocketed. Democrats, meanwhile, are despondent.

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/11/17/republicans-trump-win-economy-election-security-confidence-00189941

(this is not an onion article)

[TSA]

Republicans suddenly think the economy’s great and the election wasn’t rigged
Less than two weeks since Donald Trump’s victory, consumer sentiment in the Republican Party has skyrocketed. Democrats, meanwhile, are despondent.

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/11/17/republicans-trump-win-economy-election-security-confidence-00189941

(this is not an onion article)

"It’s typical for the winning party to see a surge of optimism among its ranks. But pollsters saw the mood shift coming this year for another reason, too: Exit polls showed that voters wanted major change this election — and it was Trump who was ultimately seen as the change agent, as Vice President Kamala Harris struggled to distinguish herself from the Biden administration and the policies voters blamed for their current pocketbook challenges.

The economy is where these divides will be seen the most, and the gap between party sentiments is expected to widen further in the months ahead. It’s a trend that began in the final months before election day, when Republican voters were already expressing rosier outlooks as they anticipated a Trump victory, said Micah Roberts, a partner at Public Opinion Strategies who oversaw the economic questions in the bipartisan NBC and CNBC surveys."

:lol "suddenly"
:lol Politico


ICS observations pre and post elections
Feelings about the economy: is it now or later?

Upward momentum in the ICS has been driven by expectations for business conditions in the next 12 months and 5 years. The index for expectations for personal finances (a year from now) has also been increasing but the incline is not as steep as the outlook for business conditions.

On the contrary, the current conditions for purchases have been mostly flat (with the exception of a slight increase in the last two months) and how consumers view their current personal finances has been declining and then flat-lining in the last six months.

In the aftermath of the election, all five indexes increased. Even if the election results provided an immediate boost to sentiment, that uplift mostly came from expectations around the future, rather than the current conditions. The laggard in terms of magnitude: personal finances current conditions (as a reminder, this index quantifies the question: Would you say that you (and your family) are better off or worse off financially than you were a year ago?). The second slowest increase was for the current buying conditions index.

https://pro.morningconsult.com/analysis/consumer-sentiment-us-elections-2024

https://pro.morningconsult.com/trackers/consumer-confidence-dashboard#morning-consult-index-of-consumer-sentiment

Republicans aren't lol "suddenly" saying the economy is great. Their sentiment is high about the future. Politico is a joke these days.

[Blake]

Yeah I think most of us are okay counting a couple of months in the "suddenly" category in this case. Stop picking at nits, tbh.

[TSA]

Yeah I think most of us are okay counting a couple of months in the "suddenly" category in this case. Stop picking at nits, tbh.

Since you've already admitted you consider anything over three sentences a "wall of text" that you won't read I can see how you only commented on the bolded part of my post and the word with an emoji next to it.

Republicans didn't suddenly think the economy IS great as the Politico headline suggests.

"Even if the election results provided an immediate boost to sentiment, that uplift mostly came from expectations around the future, rather than the current conditions."

The spike in Republican sentiment in the Index of Consumer Sentiment referenced in the Politico article was driven by expectations of the future. Had you taken the time to read my entire post you would have seen that clearly explained and not made a fool out of yourself, again.

[ChumpDumper]

Since you've already admitted you consider anything over three sentences a "wall of text" that you won't read I can see how you only commented on the bolded part of my post and the word with an emoji next to it.

Republicans didn't suddenly think the economy IS great as the Politico headline suggests.

"Even if the election results provided an immediate boost to sentiment, that uplift mostly came from expectations around the future, rather than the current conditions."

The spike in Republican sentiment in the Index of Consumer Sentiment referenced in the Politico article was driven by expectations of the future. Had you taken the time to read my entire post you would have seen that clearly explained and not made a fool out of yourself, again.
When are you planning to think the economy is good?

[ElNono]

"It’s typical for the winning party to see a surge of optimism among its ranks. But pollsters saw the mood shift coming this year for another reason, too: Exit polls showed that voters wanted major change this election — and it was Trump who was ultimately seen as the change agent, as Vice President Kamala Harris struggled to distinguish herself from the Biden administration and the policies voters blamed for their current pocketbook challenges.

The economy is where these divides will be seen the most, and the gap between party sentiments is expected to widen further in the months ahead. It’s a trend that began in the final months before election day, when Republican voters were already expressing rosier outlooks as they anticipated a Trump victory, said Micah Roberts, a partner at Public Opinion Strategies who oversaw the economic questions in the bipartisan NBC and CNBC surveys."

:lol "suddenly"
:lol Politico


ICS observations pre and post elections
Feelings about the economy: is it now or later?

Upward momentum in the ICS has been driven by expectations for business conditions in the next 12 months and 5 years. The index for expectations for personal finances (a year from now) has also been increasing but the incline is not as steep as the outlook for business conditions.

On the contrary, the current conditions for purchases have been mostly flat (with the exception of a slight increase in the last two months) and how consumers view their current personal finances has been declining and then flat-lining in the last six months.

In the aftermath of the election, all five indexes increased. Even if the election results provided an immediate boost to sentiment, that uplift mostly came from expectations around the future, rather than the current conditions. The laggard in terms of magnitude: personal finances current conditions (as a reminder, this index quantifies the question: Would you say that you (and your family) are better off or worse off financially than you were a year ago?). The second slowest increase was for the current buying conditions index.

https://pro.morningconsult.com/analysis/consumer-sentiment-us-elections-2024

https://pro.morningconsult.com/trackers/consumer-confidence-dashboard#morning-consult-index-of-consumer-sentiment

Republicans aren't lol "suddenly" saying the economy is great. Their sentiment is high about the future. Politico is a joke these days.

I mean, when it comes to the economy, Dennison is being handed a Ferrari again, after the disaster he handed down. Hopefully it lasts him more than two years, unlike the last time around, tbh

[HemisfairArena]

I mean, when it comes to the economy, Dennison is being handed a Ferrari again, after the disaster he handed down. Hopefully it lasts him more than two years, unlike the last time around, tbh

You mean after you demotards shutdown a booming economy because of Covid?,,,,,,

[GAustex]

It’s called selective memory

[ChumpDumper]

You mean after you demotards shutdown a booming economy because of Covid?,,,,,,


It’s called selective memory

Like you didn't remember a million Americans died.

[SnakeBoy]

1861200359731142966

:tu

[ChumpDumper]

1861200359731142966

:tu

What's that going to accomplish besides raising the prices of all that stuff 10%?

:lmao caravan!

[HemisfairArena]

Like you didn't remember a million Americans died.

More died under Bidens watch than Trumps and Biden said he was gonna wipe covid out and thats fact,,,,,

[ChumpDumper]

More died under Bidens watch than Trumps and Biden said he was gonna wipe covid out and thats fact,,,,,
Biden was president longer under COVID.

Are you pretending you are too stupid to know how time works?

Yes or no.

[HemisfairArena]

Biden was president longer under COVID.

Are you pretending you are too stupid to know how time works?

Yes or no.

Biden lost more in two years than Trump did in two years when it hit,,,,,are you pretending you are too stupid to know how time works?,,,,

Yes or no.

[ChumpDumper]

Biden lost more in two years than Trump did in two years when it hit,,,,,are you pretending you are too stupid to know how time works?,,,,

Yes or no.COVID started in the US January 18, 2020.

:lol you really don't know anything about time.

[HemisfairArena]

COVID started in the US January 18, 2020.

:lol you really don't know anything about time.

Biden lost more than Trump and you cant admit it,,,,,:rollin

[Winehole23]

It's tricky because Republicans made Trump's vaccine a partisan wedge and a lot of people died who didn't need to, but Boomerfair isn't wrong. About 400,000 died under Trump, the rest so far under Biden.

in 2025, Trump's death count will start growing again.

[ChumpDumper]

Biden lost more than Trump and you cant admit it,,,,,:rollinOf course he did.

4>1.

You think 1=2.:rollin

[Thread]

More died under Bidens watch than Trumps and Biden said he was gonna wipe covid out and thats fact,,,,,

Bingo!!!

[Winehole23]

400,000 deaths and a wasted opportunity to save lives isn't nothing -- not that Biden improved on it, he did exactly what y'all demanded, a speedy return to normal.

[Winehole23]

Mexico's President Shinebaum responds to Trump's threat of day one tariffs:


Dear President-elect Donald Trump, I am writing to you regarding your statement on Monday, November 25, concerning migration, fentanyl trafficking, and tariffs.

You may not be aware that Mexico has developed a comprehensive policy to assist migrants from different parts of the world who cross our territory en route to the southern border of the United States. As a result, and according to data from your country’s Customs and Border Protection (CBP), encounters at the Mexico–United States border have decreased by 75% between December 2023 and November 2024. Moreover, half of those who arrive do so through a legally scheduled appointment under the United States’ CBP One program. For these reasons, migrant caravans no longer arrive at the border.

Even so, it is clear that we must work together to create a new labor mobility model that is necessary for your country, as well as address the root causes that compel families to leave their homes out of necessity. If even a small percentage of what the United States allocates to war were instead dedicated to building peace and fostering development, it would address the underlying causes of human mobility.

On another note, and for humanitarian reasons, Mexico has consistently expressed its willingness to help prevent the fentanyl epidemic in the United States from continuing. This is, after all, a public health and consumption problem within your society. So far this year, Mexican armed forces and prosecutors have seized tons of various types of drugs, 10,340 firearms, and have detained 15,640 individuals for violence related to drug trafficking.

Furthermore, the Mexican Congress is in the process of approving a constitutional reform to classify the production, distribution, and commercialization of fentanyl and other synthetic drugs as a serious crime without bail. However, it is publicly known that the chemical precursors used to produce this and other synthetic drugs are illegally entering Canada, the United States, and Mexico from Asian countries. This underscores the urgent need for international collaboration.You must also be aware of the illegal trafficking of firearms into my country from the United States.

Seventy percent of the illegal weapons seized from criminals in Mexico come from your country. We do not produce these weapons, nor do we consume synthetic drugs. Tragically, it is in our country that lives are lost to the violence resulting from meeting the drug demand in yours.President Trump, migration and drug consumption in the United States cannot be addressed through threats or tariffs. What is needed is cooperation and mutual understanding to tackle these significant challenges.

For every tariff, there will be a response in kind, until we put at risk our shared enterprises. Yes, shared. For instance, among Mexico’s main exporters to the United States are General Motors, Stellantis, and Ford Motor Company, which arrived in Mexico 80 years ago. Why impose a tariff that would jeopardize them? Such a measure would be unacceptable and would lead to inflation and job losses in both the United States and Mexico.I am convinced that North America’s economic strength lies in maintaining our trade partnership. This allows us to remain competitive against other economic blocs. For this reason, I believe that dialogue is the best path to understanding, peace, and prosperity for our nations. I hope our teams can meet soon to continue building joint solutions

[Winehole23]

greedflation and regular inflation are entirely to be expected

1861499178217570512

https://x.com/matthewstoller/status/1861499178217570512

[Blake]

Mexico's President Shinebaum responds to Trump's threat of day one tariffs:

Like he'll read that

[Thread]

400,000 deaths and a wasted opportunity to save lives isn't nothing -- not that Biden improved on it, he did exactly what y'all demanded, a speedy return to normal.

No, he swore on the Good Book... "I'll shut it down." Instead he took us over a million dead Americans and counting.

[Winehole23]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gda2cpGWMAAHLhk?format=jpg&name=900x900

[Winehole23]

Like he'll read thatTrump's a notoriously weak reader

[Winehole23]

(some one will bite-size it for him, if necessary)

[Winehole23]

I do worry about how seriously President-Elect Trump takes the idea of attacking Mexico, even COIN-style. Just seems like a bad idea.

[ChumpDumper]

It will be pretty funny if Joe rides out on a pre-tariff purchasing wave and rubes get nostalgic about late 2024 though they can't quite figure out why.

[Thread]

I do worry about how seriously President-Elect Trump takes the idea of attacking Mexico, even COIN-style. Just seems like a bad idea.

Any country that permits and encourages foreigners to pass thru their country and invade America are crumb-bums. I'd lock that Mexican border day 1 and it would stay locked for at least 4 years. I wouldn't even even give them the time of day.

[Thread]

It will be pretty funny if Joe rides out on a pre-tariff purchasing wave and rubes get nostalgic about late 2024 though they can't quite figure out why.

Bottom line? Joe is riding outPERIOD

His top rung like Kamala's & Hillary's before him were set on that curb by Trump..."Now, say good night."

[Thread]

Trump's a notoriously weak reader

By God he made President twice on your time, Winester.

"Oh, January 6th."
"Oh, Pence almost got shot."
"Oh, he'll do 20 in Sing-Sing."
"Oh, Effy is gone."
"Oh, Splits is AWOL."
"Oh, the Magic Negro is in despair except he came into the Presidency worth 4 million dollars. Left 8 years later with 71 million dollars."
"tee, hee."

[HemisfairArena]

Trump's a notoriously weak reader

LMAO,,,dude shutdown the borders with Remain in Mexico,,,,demanded the NATO nations to pay their fair share or we are out,,,,,told China to go fuck itself,,,,,,,and told you democrats,,,,you loot, we shoot,,,,Wine Ho,,,,youre becoming a joke,,,,,

[Winehole23]

China bans export of critical minerals to US as trade tensions escalate | Reuters (https://www.reuters.com/markets/commodities/china-bans-exports-gallium-germanium-antimony-us-2024-12-03/)

[SnakeBoy]

lol Biden

[Winehole23]

tariffs hit farmers in the breadbasket last time -- leading to billions in direct public subsidies

again, the issue isn't whether tariffs are good or bad in the abstract, it's whether the hit to consumers and businesses is worth it.

starting a trade war with our number one trading partner maybe isn't the greatest idea, unless we get something that's well worth pissing them off.


https://ritholtz.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/12/mexicoimports.png

[spurraider21]

bump

[Winehole23]

Tariffs as internal discipline is underemphasized

Trump just threatened the whole US auto sector, now he can squeeze them for favors and patronage, because they know Trump does not give a fuck and will wreck their shit

The whole trope of Trump egging on recession and austerity via tariffs walks hand in hand with impounding appropriations. Trump is turning the USG into a giant patronage machine controlled by Trump, with Congress and the courts there in an advisory capacity. El0n hacked the treasury, so Trumplandia can turn off the money spigot on anything.

Also, the tariff revenue can be redirected into Trump's new slush, er, sovereign wealth fund:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/ex-morgan-stanley-star-michael-grimes-seen-leading-new-u-s-sovereign-wealth-fund-report/ar-AA1Ak2Sq

[Winehole23]

https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:hivo5gejs42bpuc2bk4he2ui/bafkreig2k3knqfyiuawezxfjymi5jmkbstyv47e5be4nb5djj jemacuniy@jpeg

[Winehole23]

And unfortunately for gamers, rising prices are very likely to impact tech and gaming goods. As Niko Partners analyst Daniel Ahmad pointed out on Bluesky yesterday, the tariffs on Chinese goods will impact video game consoles, smartphones, GPUs, laptops, and more, while the 25% tariff on goods from Mexico will impact phyiscal games.https://www.ign.com/articles/new-us-tariffs-will-impact-consoles-gpus-and-physical-games-say-analysts

[Winehole23]

https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:uo2fna47c4v6zcnklxfhcvjb/bafkreie2agzuy6bjfgpzxcyu5akolnxuolpxh7w22xv4nq7rw ldf2o2o4y@jpeg

[Thread]

https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:uo2fna47c4v6zcnklxfhcvjb/bafkreie2agzuy6bjfgpzxcyu5akolnxuolpxh7w22xv4nq7rw ldf2o2o4y@jpeg

In for penny.
In for pound.