Game Thread: Trailblazers @ Spurs 7PM CST - Nov. 7, 2024

[rjv]

I'll be at the Frost Bank Center tonight for this battle between the two lottery contenders.

[NASpurs]

The battle for Cooper Flagg

[LeBowen]

Lose this one and full on meltdown would ensue. And it it would be warranted.
As I said in that record prediction topic, if we're not at .500 after this homestand, might aswell fire up the tank and get another top5 pick.

[RC_Drunkford]

If they don’t win this the house is on fire. There’s a good chance Wemby might have a good game, he plays well against teams who are trying to lose on purpose

[Raven]

it will be hard, without sochan and vassell, it is hard. Hopefully mamu or zollins start instead of some bs fast lineup

[John B]

After the embarrassing lost last night, I expect a big outing from our guys tonight. Spurs by 15+.

Castle with 10+ points and 6 assists
Wemby triple-double

Go Spurs Go!

[Pauleta14]

POR players have fresh legs not having played since their 20pts (!) win AT NO on Monday

Without Sochan it's going to be another struggle on defense

[John B]

POR players have fresh legs not having played since their 20pts (!) win AT NO on Monday

Without Sochan it's going to be another struggle on defense

B-but Sochan is a kryptonite, no? :dizzy

[Mugen]

Hopefully our "Catching the Ball" performance improves tonight. Baby steps tbh.

[skin27]

If they don’t win this the house is on fire. There’s a good chance Wemby might have a good game, he plays well against teams who are trying to lose on purpose

agree. Wemby only play good against trash teams and then shit the bed when playing against good teams

[onechance87]

Hoping castle shows something and we dont have wait 3 years.

[Pauleta14]

B-but Sochan is a kryptonite, no? :dizzy

Do you have reading comprehension as well Jonny?

Or do you just follow your comrades blindly? :lol

[scott]

This is the kind of game where clowns like Simons and Sharpe (is he even playing?) show up for career performances.

I am at least confident that Scoot will impress zero people.

[KobesAchilles]

Sad day in Spurstalk kingdom when we actually call the Trailblazers their proper name...

[onechance87]

This is the kind of game where clowns like Simons and Sharpe (is he even playing?) show up for career performances.

I am at least confident that Scoot will impress zero people.

i expect ayton and clingan to have great games as well.

[Mugen]

Sad day in Spurstalk kingdom when we actually call the Trailblazers their proper name...

:lol That's what happens when both teams are irrelevant tbh.

[LeBowen]

We got to keep that h2h record above .500, it's 95-92 now.
Second worst from active franchises after the Lakers, they took the lead last season, 93-95 now.

[Leetonidas]

This is the kind of game where clowns like Simons and Sharpe (is he even playing?) show up for career performances.

I am at least confident that Scoot will impress zero people.

Shaedon Sharpe and Scoot Henderson will probably combine for 60 points :lol Any time Mr. body hates on a player that always shit on our scrubs

[ace3g]

https://x.com/KSATMaryRom/status/1854644529338761418

[poopbox]

Is Devin playing tonight? Or ever again? Thought his return was targeted for early November

[ismael-robert]

Already been posted

[Mugen]

https://x.com/KSATMaryRom/status/1854644529338761418

Pretty telling when they don't bother to include the rim in this video :lol

[timtonymanu]

:lol That's what happens when both teams are irrelevant tbh.

Need tlong back.

[John B]

https://x.com/KSATMaryRom/status/1854644529338761418

The guy knows he needs to work on his 3pt shooting :hungry:

[John B]

Do you have reading comprehension as well Jonny?

Or do you just follow your comrades blindly? :lol

You’re contradictory calling Sochan a Kryptonite then saying it’s hard for them to win without him. Which one is it?? :lol

[Strategic]

Have the Spurs brought someone down from Austin to take Sochan’s spot on the bench?

[heyheymymy]

Is Devin playing tonight? Or ever again? Thought his return was targeted for early November

I saw today that Devin may return for Saturday's game

SAT Nov 9 vs Utah 4 PM CST

[NASpurs]

The guy knows he needs to work on his 3pt shooting :hungry:

Did the rest of the team also get that memo?

[jeebus]

Have the Spurs brought someone down from Austin to take Sochan’s spot on the bench?
All the scrubs are on the bench: Ingram, Minix, Threedy.

[Dex]

This seems like a bubble game.

If we lose to the tanking Trailblazers...at home...we might as well just call it a season and go for the tank.

[KingKev]

Still early but I was trying really hard not to root for the tank but here I am. I hope Wemby continues to combine for 10+ TOs and missed ill advised 3’s a game.

[Pauleta14]

You’re contradictory calling Sochan a Kryptonite then saying it’s hard for them to win without him. Which one is it?? :lol

You should take the time to read and educate yourself on a topic before opening your mouth jonny ;)

[spurraider21]

when wemby pulls up for a jumper, i basically never have the feeling that "this is going in"

kinda just feels like some guy at a pick up game shooting the ball in the general direction of the rim

[Raven]

castle alongside cp3 has to be one of the most braindead moves in the last few years

[LeBowen]

Dominayton shitting on us.

[itzsoweezee]

Wemby seems disengaged, again

[itzsoweezee]

castle alongside cp3 has to be one of the most braindead moves in the last few years

Agreed. Can’t even imagine what the logic behind it is

[Kawhi Duncan]

Why is castle starting? Another non-shooters... And the fact that they STILL haven't built an offense around Wemby is INSANE! they never actually have a means of getting him the ball... You never really know what they're doing out there tbh... They're just going through the motions, and if he ends up with the ball, then he ends up with it... So structure or direction... How do they expect him to get better? This is fucking sad... Coaching malpractice

[spurraider21]

keldon really passing up a layup to throw it out to zollins in the corner?

[Strategic]

KJ not even bitching about that foul call?

[Russ]

Does anyone show up for these games (just talking about the fans)?

[Dex]

This team loves to pass...because they are all afraid to shoot.

[LeBowen]

Good start for Castle, 3 assists already.

[Kawhi Duncan]

Damn, that girl cute as hell

[Kawhi Duncan]

Our generational talent has 1 shot attempt and 7 minutes.... At the end of the first quarter... Our coaches need to be investigated

[Arcadian]

Let's see if they can survive the Branham-Collins duo minutes...

[LeBowen]

Are we certain Mitch isn't one of Elon's many kids?

[Pauleta14]

Wesley Brahman and Keldon with Wemby??

Is Mitch stupid or is it some sort of sophomore haizing???

[Dex]

Wesley is a dud.

Mamu is a keeper.

[mystargtr34]

Keldon on defense 😂😂😂

[Dex]

Our guys on defense are so. fucking. stupid.

[Spurs Brazil]

Johnson is so dumb. It’s difficult to see him on the court

[weeks]

flagrant...fuck off

[Dex]

flagrant...fuck off

It's the right call. Same thing that Zaza did to Kawhi.

Keldon needs to know better.

[Kawhi Duncan]

Out inability to develop Wemby is wild... I genuinely think I can do a better job of coaching Wemby and making sets for him

[Spurs Brazil]

Thanks to stupid Johnson it’s a 5-0 Blazers run in 18 seconds

[weeks]

It's the right call. Same thing that Zaza did to Kawhi.

Keldon needs to know better.

well, i don't remember, did zaza catch a flagrant over that? his seemed a lot more intentional to me

[spurraider21]

the legendary wesley drive and kick for 3 :wow

[skin27]

Oh my god wemby isnt playing like a superstar

[Kawhi Duncan]

That curl play is the EXACT cur play I say needs to be a common one for Wemby because it's hard to defend and he has multiple options... And this is the second game in the entire season they have run it...

[onechance87]

welsey shoot that

[Kawhi Duncan]

Why have non-shooters out there with Wemby???

[Kawhi Duncan]

welsey shoot that

We have too many low-IQ non-shooters

[Kawhi Duncan]

That was a foul... Now Wemby won't drive to the paint the rest of the game

[Leetonidas]

Wemby playing like garbage yet again. This is becoming concerning

[LeBowen]

Keldon actually fully bought into his Westbrook cosplay, tbh.

[spurraider21]

wesley has more drive and kick assists today than ive seen from him his whole career tbh :lol

[mystargtr34]

Credit to Wesley playing really well this 2nd period.

[Kawhi Duncan]

Wemby playing like garbage yet again. This is becoming concerning

Very

[skin27]

Wemby playing like garbage yet again. This is becoming concerning

he doesnt take too may shots yet lets wait and see

[Spurs Brazil]

Wesley playing really well.

[Guru of Nothing]

Wesley with the assist to Branham for 3.

Nov 7, 7:48pm

[SPURt]

Is Wesley figuring it out?

[james evans]

Damn, the blazers are worse than us. They got Collins out there dunking and hitting 3s.

[John B]

Wesley came to play tonight, making good decisions, finding people

[Dex]

If 2014 was the Beautiful Game, the 2024 Spurs are the Ugly Game.

There is no planning or rhythm or anything that resembles good basketball.

[onechance87]

keldon lol

[spurraider21]

mfw wesley is running point more successfully than castle

[John B]

Go Wesley, already with 5 assists

[Kawhi Duncan]

Wemby has 4 shot attempts at halftime... They're fucking up this guy's growth and development

[spurraider21]

the world if Blake Wesley could shoot 3's

https://i.imgflip.com/3sulj0.jpg?a480648

[John B]

Wesley earning his minutes. Way for our guys to show up after last night

[Kawhi Duncan]

Is Wesley figuring it out?

No... He looks haphazard and out of control... The Blazers just suck that badly

[itzsoweezee]

Out inability to develop Wemby is wild... I genuinely think I can do a better job of coaching Wemby and making sets for him

That doesn’t explain his lack of effort this season. Is Vic even averaging double digit rebounds this season?

[Strategic]

If 2014 was the Beautiful Game, the 2024 Spurs are the Ugly Game.

There is no planning or rhythm or anything that resembles good basketball. I see no reason why these guys aren’t trying to run the beautiful game when Vic’s on the bench.

[onechance87]

once again we are over playing keldon and branham

[heyheymymy]

Bran in the last 2 mins

0-2 3PA, commits turnover, commits shooting foul

[Pauleta14]

I just hate this roster with all my heart :lol

Wemby Castle Sochan Vassell. That's it

All the rest can gtfo

[John B]

Of course back to back stupid plays by Malaki

[Thomas82]

agree. Wemby only play good against trash teams and then shit the bed when playing against good teams

Well, he has pedestrian numbers so far tonight.

[Thomas82]

Wemby has 4 shot attempts at halftime... They're fucking up this guy's growth and development

It's frustrating as hell to watch.

[SPURt]

No... He looks haphazard and out of control... The Blazers just suck that badly
Can’t argue it’s not ugly, but he’s using his physical gifts in an effective way

[CGD]

once again we are over playing keldon and branham

Im sooo over it dude. Blake can be frustrating too, but at least you see the thinking man in there. Today is a case in point.

[skin27]

Only 4 Field goal attempts for Wemby at the half? Whats going on?

[Kawhi Duncan]

That doesn’t explain his lack of effort this season. Is Vic even averaging double digit rebounds this season?

It does... He is 20... He still doesn't know shit about the game... He is a player that needs structure... Remember when he looked shitty and confused in his first summer league game? Then in the conference he said he felt like he was just running around not knowing what to do? That's how he plays when he doesn't have structure... He was able to get through it last season, but this season it seems like the lack of structure is getting to him...

I do agree he needs to get tougher... He for some reason is letting ppl push him around and he isn't fighting for anything

[Mugen]

I just hate how Wemby has played to start this season tbh. I dont know what's wrong. Hopefully just fatigue because the alternatives are major red flags.

I hate how he's relegated to the corner pretty much each possession. I don't know if they're doing that to cover something up for him or some other crap. But just wow, what a horrible start of the season for him.

[Dex]

I see no reason why these guys aren’t trying to run the beautiful game when Vic’s on the bench.

Because the Beautiful Game relied on a bunch of smart players who understood basketball, and trusted in each other to make the right play, and also knew when to shoot when they were open.

Instead, we have a bunch of young players who are learning basketball, and either are too eager to shoot when they have the ball, or too eager to pass when they actually have an open play.

Just passing the ball does not produce the Beautiful Game.

[Pauleta14]

Wemby has 4 shot attempts at halftime... They're fucking up this guy's growth and development

It's as if the pushed a "reset" button and we're seing all over again last season.

They're not even trying to find him and Mitch clearly dgaf seing how heedresponds on questions about Wemby (quote: "he has to figure it out")

I thought Wemby was sick or something, he's just depressed :lol

[spurraider21]

blake's been productive but he's still just playing at one speed. happens to be working out today. there's no pace to his dribbles, no herky jerky, no threat of an in-between game. going to be hard to be consistent that way but at least the passing vision has been there

[Kawhi Duncan]

Only 4 Field goal attempts for Wemby at the half? Whats going on?

They don't have an offensive structure built around him... It's all pick up basketball... If you ever played pick up, one game u will get a lot of shots up, the next, not so much... Wemby is basically a roleplayer playing with a bunch of dumb teammates that can't shoot, being coached by incompetent coaches... This is the result

[Mugen]

I don't know if it's a confidence issue, a diva issue, or he's just been very unhappy with something going on with the team.

But his effort has been terrible. I don't care how bad the coaching is around him tbh.

[Kawhi Duncan]

I just hate how Wemby has played to start this season tbh. I dont know what's wrong. Hopefully just fatigue because the alternatives are major red flags.

I hate how he's relegated to the corner pretty much each possession. I don't know if they're doing that to cover something up for him or some other crap. But just wow, what a horrible start of the season for him.

They're incompetent coaches... Wemby needs an offense built around him

[Frenchfred]

Wemby playing like garbage yet again. This is becoming concerning

Maybe he is just simply a star and not a generational talent like we all hope he is.

[Mugen]

They're incompetent coaches... Wemby needs an offense built around him

He had a wide open shot from the FT line and he hesitated.

Nobody shits on this coaching staff more than me but Wemby deserves the lion's share of the blame for being absolutely listless out there tbh.

[Kawhi Duncan]

It's as if the pushed a "reset" button and we're seing all over again last season.

They're not even trying to find him and Mitch clearly dgaf seing how he esponds on questions about Wemby (quote: "he has to figure it out")

I thought Wemby was sick or something, he's just depressed :lol

Did he really say Wemby has to figure it out? Nigga YOU'RE the coach!!! YOOUUUU figure it out! Further proof that they're actually clueless and don't know how to build an offense

[Frenchfred]

It's as if the pushed a "reset" button and we're seing all over again last season.

They're not even trying to find him and Mitch clearly dgaf seing how he esponds on questions about Wemby (quote: "he has to figure it out")

I thought Wemby was sick or something, he's just depressed :lol

Maybe Wemby does a bad job at getting open if players like Paul cannot find him.

[Kawhi Duncan]

He had a wide open shot from the FT line and he hesitated.

Nobody shits on this coaching staff more than me but Wemby deserves the lion's share of the blame for being absolutely listless out there tbh.

Agree... But that's what happens when you're not accustomed to getting touches... U know what happens if he KEEPS getting the ball fed in those sputs for the entire game? He gets more decisive

[Kawhi Duncan]

Maybe Wemby does a bad job at getting open if players like Paul cannot find him.

You don't have to get open when you're a supposed superstar... You're always gonna have defense on you... The objective is to create an offense where the superstar gets the ball every possession in certain spots on the floor where they can operate... Wemby is lucky if he touches the ball... Our coaches are truly idiots

[skin27]

It does... He is 20... He still doesn't know shit about the game... He is a player that needs structure... Remember when he looked shitty and confused in his first summer league game? Then in the conference he said he felt like he was just running around not knowing what to do? That's how he plays when he doesn't have structure... He was able to get through it last season, but this season it seems like the lack of structure is getting to him...

I do agree he needs to get tougher... He for some reason is letting ppl push him around and he isn't fighting for anything

you cant make an excuse about his age. Doncic Lebron, Duncan , etc these greats already played like a superstar in their 2nd season or at the age of 20.

[Kawhi Duncan]

Because the Beautiful Game relied on a bunch of smart players who understood basketball, and trusted in each other to make the right play, and also knew when to shoot when they were open.

Instead, we have a bunch of young players who are learning basketball, and either are too eager to shoot when they have the ball, or too eager to pass when they actually have an open play.

Just passing the ball does not produce the Beautiful Game.

They're not actually learning anything tho... Who is teaching? Clearly no coaching is happening... OKC just as young and they're actually coached...

[Pauleta14]

Maybe Wemby does a bad job at getting open if players like Paul cannot find him.

Paul can't penetrate anymore = can't pick a roll with Wemby. He barely passes on the perimeter and is used as game manager

He's not the cp3 with Tyson Chandler or DJ

Wemby has of course his share of the blame, but he's stupidly handicaped by this roster with only "1 trick pony" players" who just have no abilities or will to help Wemby.

[Kawhi Duncan]

you cant make an excuse about his age. Doncic Lebron, Duncan , etc these greats already played like a superstar in their 2nd season or at the age of 20.

Duncan wasn't in the NBA at 20... And ur missing my point... Read my whole post... Not just the "he is 20" part... The point is that he isn't gonna figure it out in his own... He needs structure around him... Every single one of those players you named had an offense structured around them since they were rookies

[itzsoweezee]

2 rebounds for wemby. This dude has completely fallen off a cliff

[Pauleta14]

Did he really say Wemby has to figure it out? Nigga YOU'RE the coach!!! YOOUUUU figure it out! Further proof that they're actually clueless and don't know how to build an offense

Yep, not just once, it's his go-to answer when asked about what to do with the way team play Wemby physical

I swear they'd all prefer to have a Edey or a Clingan that would make their job a lot easier even if less talented

[onechance87]

You don't have to get open when you're a supposed superstar... You're always gonna have defense on you... The objective is to create an offense where the superstar gets the ball every possession in certain spots on the floor where they can operate... Wemby is lucky if he touches the ball... Our coaches are truly idiots

but then again idk if wemby should be shooting long 3s.Thats how he wants to score.Refusing to post up is on him.

[John B]

[QUOTE=skin27;11147802]Only 4 Field goal attempts for Wemby at the half? Whats going on?[/QUOTE

They’re up and the rest are playing great. Wemby will get his shots.

[skin27]

Paul can't penetrate anymore = can't pick a roll with Wemby. He barely passes on the perimeter and is used as game manager

He's not the cp3 with Tyson Chandler or DJ

Wemby has of course his share of the blame, but he's stupidly handicaped by this roster with only "1 trick pony" players" who just have no abilities or will to help Wemby.

or CP3 with Blake Griffin

[Thomas82]

That doesn’t explain his lack of effort this season. Is Vic even averaging double digit rebounds this season?

He's barely averaging double figures.

[CGD]

Wemby is generational on defense, no question. I do wonder if the physicality on offense is getting to him. Our lack of shooting not only limits his ability to operate, but gives the other team more chance to bang him around. Houston was treating him like a pinball the other day.

[spurraider21]

what a great pass by castle there

[lefty20]

Wemby ice cold.

[spurraider21]

wemby has regressed

[skin27]

Duncan wasn't in the NBA at 20... And ur missing my point... Read my whole post... Not just the "he is 20" part... The point is that he isn't gonna figure it out in his own... He needs structure around him... Every single one of those players you named had an offense structured around them since they were rookies


wemby is compared to lebron a generational talent. Lebron made a huge leap in his 2nd season and played like a superstar and leader. And lebron was younger than wemby that time. So theres no excuse for wemby to play like a superstar in his 2nd season at the age of 20.

[Pauleta14]

2 rebounds for wemby. This dude has completely fallen off a cliff

You want him to fight his teammates?

Victor is a (way too) nice guy, he doesn't have the US mentality of taking care of his stats

[onechance87]

wow our players really are dumb.Deflecting rebounds from teammates lol

[Kawhi Duncan]

wemby is compared to lebron a generational talent. Lebron made a huge leap in his 2nd season and played like a superstar and leader. And lebron was younger than wemby that time. So theres no excuse for wemby to play like a superstar in his 2nd season at the age of 20.

Please READ what u said... LeBron had an offense built around his talents since he was a rookie... I brought up Wemby's age to say that he isn't gonna just figure it out... Just like all other superstars, he needs an offense built around him... You're purposefully being ignorant by ignoring my main point by bringing up age

[Kawhi Duncan]

[QUOTE=skin27;11147802]Only 4 Field goal attempts for Wemby at the half? Whats going on?[/QUOTE

They’re up and the rest are playing great. Wemby will get his shots.

No he won't... He is averaging less shots this season than his rookie season

[John B]

wemby is compared to lebron a generational talent. Lebron made a huge leap in his 2nd season and played like a superstar and leader. And lebron was younger than wemby that time. So theres no excuse for wemby to play like a superstar in his 2nd season at the age of 20.

dude it’s like the 9th game of the season :lol

[Pauleta14]

or CP3 with Blake Griffin

We were all wrong tbh

We all had that in mind, forgetting a 40yo man wouldn't have the legs

He just quaterbacks the offense now, Wemby is the playe that benefits the least almost

I'd rather have Castle starting and Cp with the bench

[itzsoweezee]

You want him to fight his teammates?

Victor is a (way too) nice guy, he doesn't have the US mentality of taking care of his stats

What are you talking about? Last year he rebounded. This year he’s not. It has nothing to do with his teammates

[Frenchfred]

Paul can't penetrate anymore = can't pick a roll with Wemby. He barely passes on the perimeter and is used as game manager

He's not the cp3 with Tyson Chandler or DJ

Wemby has of course his share of the blame, but he's stupidly handicaped by this roster with only "1 trick pony" players" who just have no abilities or will to help Wemby.

I agree but he is supposed to be a superstar; other stars have played with crappy cast as well. Wemby refuses to play inside and doesn't seem to be able to take advantage of smaller players anyway, he is the one who wants to play on the perimeter but he doesn't shoot well..At some point, he needs to work on his game pretty badly.

[gambit1990]

wemby gonna be the first player to break the backboard by shooting a three.

[John B]

[QUOTE=John B;11147830]

No he won't... He is averaging less shots this season than his rookie season

Dude is 7’6. He’s open every time. He’ll get his shots

[heyheymymy]

dude wtf is grant trying to do

third time in a row fuckn stop

[Pauleta14]

Wemby is generational on defense, no question. I do wonder if the physicality on offense is getting to him. Our lack of shooting not only limits his ability to operate, but gives the other team more chance to bang him around. Houston was treating him like a pinball the other day.

We know since his debuts that he's a playe that needs to be served and surounded by high I high passing abilities players.

It's nothing new and when the team finally played for him, we saw what happened post ASG

He just AGAIN being used as a player like another, 1st served 1st shoot. It's insane to watched and hillarious to see ST shitting on him SO QUICK!!!

[heyheymymy]

champ so smart to close in on that pass forced the TO

[heyheymymy]

SA 6/12 from three in 3Q?

wow

[skin27]

Even collins is shooting better than wemby:lol

[John B]

Collins shooting good

[Frenchfred]

We know since his debuts that he's a playe that needs to be served and surounded by high I high passing abilities players.

It's nothing new and when the team finally played for him, we saw what happened post ASG

He just AGAIN being used as a player like another, 1st served 1st shoot. It's insane to watched and hillarious to see ST shitting on him SO QUICK!!!

I agree that he needs help but he is 7'4 so he can shoot over most players. He doesn't require as many screens as other players to have a look.

[Kawhi Duncan]

Champagne, Barnes, and KJ all have more shot attempts than our generational talent... Fire this coaching staff ASAP... Even I can design an offense that gives him more touches

[heyheymymy]

Zollins POR revenge game

[Pauleta14]

I agree but he is supposed to be a superstar; other stars have played with crappy cast as well. Wemby refuses to play inside and doesn't seem to be able to take advantage of smaller players anyway, he is the one who wants to play on the perimeter but he doesn't shoot well..At some point, he needs to work on his game pretty badly.

- He's still only 20 (MJ was a junior in college)
- Teams clearly are game planning for him with Houston having shown the blue-print = he'll need to adapt, but maybe could we leave him more than 6-7 games for that?
- This roster is the same that was for every observer the worst in terms of passing abilities and overall BBIQ, did some expect them to suddendly become diff players?
- At least Pop was passing some message during timeouts, Mitch dgaf clearly or doesn't know how
- P&R is kinda big deal when you have a 7'5 guy to play on offense, especially if he can't post up (you bet he shoots all the time...)

[Pauleta14]

What are you talking about? Last year he rebounded. This year he’s not. It has nothing to do with his teammates

Last year he had the exact same issue from game to game

Just look at Champ or KJ in paticular...

[weeks]

wemby's gotta be just gassed tf out. i can't think of any other explanation.

[skin27]

Last year he had the exact same issue from game to game

Just look at Champ or KJ in paticular...

yeah agree i notice it too that wemby is letting his teammates steal the rebound from him. If he reaaly want to get the rebound i think he can easily average 14 rebounds a game if he fight for it every pessesion.

[Pauleta14]

yeah agree i notice it too that wemby is letting his teammates steal the rebound from him. If he reaaly want to get the rebound i think he can easily average 14 rebounds a game if he fight for it every pessesion.

He needs to kill the child in him, he doesn't realise they're all here to eat, not to help him become the goat

[heyheymymy]

SA 14/29 from three

48.3%

[SPURt]

I watch Wemby and I wonder, could he carry me around in a baby wrap?

[John B]

I’m not worried about Wemby not taking as much shots as long as the others are picking up the slack. Wemby like any great player can contribute in some other ways. The others playing great will keep off some pressure and will only make things easier for Wemby.

[skin27]

I’m not worried about Wemby not taking as much shots as long as the others are picking up the slack. Wemby like any great player can contribute in some other ways. The others playing great will keep off some pressure and will only make things easier for Wemby.

nah, he wont make the allstar team and allnba team if he countinue to play like this

[gambit1990]

victor wembrick

[Frenchfred]

- He's still only 20 (MJ was a junior in college)
- Teams clearly are game planning for him with Houston having shown the blue-print = he'll need to adapt, but maybe could we leave him more than 6-7 games for that?
- This roster is the same that was for every observer the worst in terms of passing abilities and overall BBIQ, did some expect them to suddendly become diff players?
- At least Pop was passing some message during timeouts, Mitch dgaf clearly or doesn't know how
- P&R is kinda big deal when you have a 7'5 guy to play on offense, especially if he can't post up (you bet he shoots all the time...)

- Durant was also 20 in his second year and had clearly improved on his second year.
- We can leave him as many games as he wants, it's not like we can do anything anyway
- I didn't have high expectations for the team this year and said that we'll be a lottery team, which is fine when we see the draft this year
- I agree with the P&R and I would say that Wemby's screens are not the best screens

[Raven]

wemby putting effort on d, but you can really see how tired he is

[Leetonidas]

Victor's shot is completely broken

[100%duncan]

Idk which is more broken Vic’s shot or his stamina

[gambit1990]

wembrick is 1 for 4 from the three. at least that's better than his three point percentage for the season.

[exstatic]

nah, he wont make the allstar team and allnba team if he countinue to play like this

And did he continue to play like this last year? No. He just seems like a slow starter.

[itzsoweezee]

Last year he had the exact same issue from game to game

Just look at Champ or KJ in paticular...

We don’t need to make things up. Just look at the data. His rebounding rate is way down this year and it’s only going to worse after this stinker of a game from him

[John B]

nah, he wont make the allstar team and allnba team if he countinue to play like this

Dude is averaging better than last year except 3pt percentage. Look it up.

[skin27]

And did he continue to play like this last year? No. He just seems like a slow starter.
You have to compare it on how he played at the end of last season.

[NASpurs]

Looks like Gobert was giving Wemby shooting tips during the summer.

[Strategic]

Spurs looking pretty good playing against scrubs. Let’s see if they can finish it.

[NASpurs]

And did he continue to play like this last year? No. He just seems like a slow starter.

He also had incentives as he was clearly playing for the ROTY.

[John B]

nah, he wont make the allstar team and allnba team if he countinue to play like this

Dude is averaging better than last year except 3pt percentage. Look up the Wemby thread. Somebody posted.

[Pauleta14]

- Durant was also 20 in his second year and had clearly improved on his second year.
- We can leave him as many games as he wants, it's not like we can do anything anyway
- I didn't have high expectations for the team this year and said that we'll be a lottery team, which is fine when we see the draft this year
- I agree with the P&R and I would say that Wemby's screens are not the best screens

- If u want to compare, compare the whole picture, offense and defense (where in that area he's a monster already with the energy expenditure it requires, let's not forget this important detail ;). Wemby's rookie floor is higher than KD's as well and both had/have very diff roster and need (Wemby needs assisting and spacing, we know it since day1, KD is an iso player who can go 1vs1 anytime.

- I was dead wrong on cp3 and just opened my eyes today, didn't realise that the PG doing the P&R needs the juice to penetrate and go to contact all the time and you just can't do it at 40. Just look at his play now, he's a B on the perimetter and 3pt shooter... He makes me regret Tre and that says a lot :lol
Cp also took away the playmaking part of Wemby's game that allowed him to create a lot of space.

- Wemby sucks at it, let's not be shy haha, but you need to practice to get better at something, I've maybe seen 10 tries in 7 games between cp and vic... insane when it was my main expectation

[100%duncan]

Castle is a hooper thankfully

[exstatic]

You have to compare it on how he played at the end of last season.
No you don’t. Some guy’s just have to shake off the rust at the beginning of the season.

[poopbox]

How is that not an offensive foul on Grant? He slowed down to shove Julian with his off arm.

[exstatic]

After like, what, nine games, Castle >>> Scoot, who’s entering his second season.

[LeBowen]

Castle's best game so far.

[Raven]

so much better when he plays the point, like it is not even remotely close

[Spurs Brazil]

Castle!!!

[NASpurs]

Castle's best game so far.

Time for a two for one trade, Tre + Keldon (Collins) for someone.

[heyheymymy]

lol Paul knows all about how weak and soft Ayton is

[Raven]

and again, they play the pgs at the same time, and all goes to shit

[LeBowen]

Time for a two for one trade, Tre + Keldon (Collins) for someone.

I've been saying that for a while.
Tre is redundant and on an expiring deal.
Wesley can fill as a third stringer when CP3 sits.

Sucks to be a Blazers fan, both Scoot and Clingan look disappointing. Clingan looked so slow out there.

[poopbox]

Keldon brick almost killed one of the blazers :lol

[John B]

I think Wemby chose not to force it seeing the team playing well, which is good.

[Pauleta14]

Castle is the only bright side if this season so far

[skin27]

Dude is averaging better than last year except 3pt percentage. Look it up.

nah.. he’s averging less so far this season beside freethrow shooting.

[LeBowen]

Crisis (somewhat) averted.

14/3/6 with 0 turnovers for Castle.
Just needs one of those 3pt attempts to fall.

[skin27]

Kj stole the spotlight from wemby tonight. Good win though

[jesterbobman]

Wemby clearly hasn't been as dynamic, and it seems like he's too in love with his shooting from three. Early season, so not sure if he's just in a slump and he's been better in practice, but it looks more hitchy from three.
Always seems like he's better getting the ball in the mid post and attacking, (e.g off the elbow screens that Barnes set a few times). Hope he moves more in to start attacking from those areas when the shooting around him improves.

Does reinforce in general that he hasn't yet taken the leap yet, and the Spurs might have been smart in not rushing to go all in this year.

Good win though. Stephon Castle.

[John B]

nah.. he’s averging less so far this season beside freethrow shooting.

Dude look up Wemby thread. Somebody posted in there.

[tim_duncan_fan]

Good win.

Needed one of those Castle 3s to go in, but otherwise, more than solid.

I stan Blake Wesley.

[Mugen]

Nice game from Steph, hope he can build on it.

[John B]

A+ game for Castle. The kid is really poised. He doesn’t look or act like a rookie out there, making good decisions.

Likewise Wesley with good vision out there. Nice win tonight. Don’t care if against scrub. A win’s a win. :flag:

[spurraider21]

Idk which is more broken Vic’s shot or his stamina
His spirit, or his body?

[timtonymanu]

I wasn’t even worried about Castle. Dude will be a legit player. Glad he’s getting these reps.

[John B]

The better the team gets, I think the scoring will be more spread out, people finding better shots, more structured. Last year was like a whole season of pickup games. The Big 3 didn’t score as much because of the egalitarian system. I think Wemby will have his blocks, rebounds and occasional triple-doubles or even 5x5, but his scoring will not be like KD or LeBron.

[skin27]

The better the team gets, I think the scoring will be more spread out, people finding better shots, more structured. Last year was like a whole season of pickup games. The Big 3 didn’t score as much because of the egalitarian system. I think Wemby will have his blocks, rebounds and occasional triple-doubles or even 5x5, but his scoring will not be like KD or LeBron.

this not good for wemby individual accolades

[John B]

this not good for wemby individual accolades

Individual accolades is not really what Spurs about though. Dude we had the Big 3 all hofers who could’ve averaged higher playing elsewhere but instead chose to ring 4 and 5.

Also I think it’s better for Wemby’s longevity especially his body structure to be in an egalitarian system, not getting pounded every night. Our Big 3 had 16-19 year careers!

[cutewizard]

yessssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss ssssssssssss

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oM7kEIwpvhc

[Mr. Body]

Refs kind of sucked.

Steph wasn't credited with a block but he stuffed a guy at the rim.

[skin27]

Individual accolades is not really what Spurs about though. Dude we had the Big 3 all hofers who could’ve averaged higher playing elsewhere but instead chose to ring 4 and 5.

Also I think it’s better for Wemby’s longevity especially his body structure to be in an egalitarian system, not getting pounded every night. Our Big 3 had 16-19 year careers!

sorry but im not a solid spurs fan anymore. I am more of a wemby fan.i want him to exceed the expectations on him like winning multiple championships, atleast 4 MVP’s, atleast 15 all NBA teams and all nba defensive team,DPOY, 15 allstar selections,etc.. i like him to contend on that GOAT debate.

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oM7kEIwpvhc

[DPG21920]

Spurs are one win away on Saturday vs a terrible UTA team from being a .500 team. Wild given the offense and Wemby’s level of play and no Dev

[scott]

Couldn't watch this one because I was on a flight that originated from Seattle and apparently Blazers games get blacked out on League Pass there :lol

Will have to watch the Full Game recap but sounds like Wemby looked bad again. Really quite concerning. This is why I didn't want to just go tank mode for his first few seasons... his development would be greatly aided by some good professionals around him. Cedi Osman, Grandpa CP3 and Harry Barnes don't really cut it.

DRob had TC. Timmy had DRob. Tony and Manu had Timmy. Neph had Tony and Manu and Timmy... Wemby has... Zach Collins?

[skin27]

Couldn't watch this one because I was on a flight that originated from Seattle and apparently Blazers games get blacked out on League Pass there :lol

Will have to watch the Full Game recap but sounds like Wemby looked bad again. Really quite concerning. This is why I didn't want to just go tank mode for his first few seasons... his development would be greatly aided by some good professionals around him. Cedi Osman, Grandpa CP3 and Harry Barnes don't really cut it.

DRob had TC. Timmy had DRob. Tony and Manu had Timmy. Neph had Tony and Manu and Timmy... Wemby has... Zach Collins?

wemby had cp3 now but he regressed instead of making huge leap.

[Thomas82]

sorry but im not a solid spurs fan anymore. I am more of a wemby fan.i want him to exceed the expectations on him like winning multiple championships, atleast 4 MVP’s, atleast 15 all NBA teams and all nba defensive team,DPOY, 15 allstar selections,etc.. i like him to contend on that GOAT debate.

That makes 2 of us who want to see him exceed expectations and clean up on accolades.

[Dejounte]

Couldn't watch this one because I was on a flight that originated from Seattle and apparently Blazers games get blacked out on League Pass there :lol

Will have to watch the Full Game recap but sounds like Wemby looked bad again. Really quite concerning. This is why I didn't want to just go tank mode for his first few seasons... his development would be greatly aided by some good professionals around him. Cedi Osman, Grandpa CP3 and Harry Barnes don't really cut it.

DRob had TC. Timmy had DRob. Tony and Manu had Timmy. Neph had Tony and Manu and Timmy... Wemby has... Zach Collins?

Uh if youre saying CP3 had a bad game tonight based on the box score, then that’s unfounded. He took a major backseat tonight to Castle and played mostly off guard. Like, he immediately passed it to Castle if he was at full court and he had a spot up role. Dude was in teaching mode tonight likely because he knew the Blazers weren’t all that.

[scott]

wemby had cp3 now but he regressed instead of making huge leap.




Terry Cummings stats DRob's rookie year: 22.4 ppg, 8.4 rpg. TC was an All Star and All NBA third-teamer the year before
David Robinson stats Timmy's rookie year: 21.6 ppg, 10.6 rpg, 2.6 bpg. 7th in MVP voting, 3rd in DPOY voting, All Star, All NBA Second Team.
Tim Duncan stats during Tony's rookie year: 25.5 ppg, 12.7 rpg, 2.5 bpg, NBA MVP, All Star. All NBA First Team.
Tim Duncan stats during Manu's rookie year: 23.3 ppg, 12.9 rpg, 2.9 bpg, NBA MVP, All Star, All NBA First Team, 4th in DPOY voting
Tim Duncan stats during Nephew's rookie year: 15.4 ppg, 9.0 rpg, 1.5 bpg, 14th in MVP voting
Tony Parker stats during Nephew's rookie year: 18.3 ppg, 7.7 apg, 5th in MVP voting, All Star, All NBA Second Team
Manu Ginobili stats during Nephew's rookie year: 12.9 ppg, 4.4 apg, 3.4 rpg, 5th in 6MOY voting. Previous season: 8th in MVP voting, All Star, All NBA 3rd Team
Chris Paul stats during Wemby's rookie year: 9.2 ppg, 6.8 apg, 3.6 rpg, not on Wemby's team


One of these is not like the others.

[scott]

Uh if youre saying CP3 had a bad game tonight based on the box score, then that’s unfounded. He took a major backseat tonight to Castle and played mostly off guard. Like, he immediately passed it to Castle if he was at full court and he had a spot up role. Dude was in teaching mode tonight likely because he knew the Blazers weren’t all that.

I never said that... and honestly I don't see how you can think I was inferring that, since I didn't even bring up CP3 in the context of tonight's game (that I didn't watch) at all?

[Dejounte]

I never said that... and honestly I don't see how you can think I was inferring that, since I didn't even bring up CP3 in the context of tonight's game (that I didn't watch) at all?

Eh, then I don’t see how a comment like him not being a good professional for Wemby is made. CP has performed at a level that’s far better than anyone expected from him at his age and he’s always seen trying to mentor the kids out there. Seemed unnecessary to call him grandpa as a slight when he’s been one of our best players.

[scott]

A lot is said about what CP3 did for SGA in a mentor role... but CP3 was also an All-Star, All NBA 2nd Team, 7th in MVP voting player that year he acted as SGA's mentor.

Granted, those players to grow on trees... but it would be nice if we would have made some effort to get a player of that caliber on the team to help Wemby grow on and off the court. Probably not an MVP Top-10 player, but at least someone playing at a very high level more recently. This is what myself, and a few others, had been calling for. But instead we decided to play the Tank Game and now our Superstar is regressing into a low efficiency chucker.

[scott]

Eh, then I don’t see how a comment like him not being a good professional for Wemby is made.

It's not that CP3 isn't professional... its that he's no longer good. He wouldn't start for any contending team (which is how we signed him to begin with).


CP has performed at a level that’s far better than anyone expected from him at his age and he’s always seen trying to mentor the kids out there. Seemed unnecessary to call him grandpa as a slight when he’s been one of our best players.

Being one of our best players isn't the quite the accomplishment it sounds like.

Calling him grandpa isn't a slight... it's an acknowledgement of where he's at in his career. He may be over achieving for a 39 year old, but that's not really the point. He's not Prime CP3 or even the CP3 that mentored SGA. My point is that it would have been helpful to have a high caliber player in their prime, just like every other Spurs Legend (plus Nephew) has had.

[RC_Drunkford]

Terry Cummings stats DRob's rookie year: 22.4 ppg, 8.4 rpg. TC was an All Star and All NBA third-teamer the year before
David Robinson stats Timmy's rookie year: 21.6 ppg, 10.6 rpg, 2.6 bpg. 7th in MVP voting, 3rd in DPOY voting, All Star, All NBA Second Team.
Tim Duncan stats during Tony's rookie year: 25.5 ppg, 12.7 rpg, 2.5 bpg, NBA MVP, All Star. All NBA First Team.
Tim Duncan stats during Manu's rookie year: 23.3 ppg, 12.9 rpg, 2.9 bpg, NBA MVP, All Star, All NBA First Team, 4th in DPOY voting
Tim Duncan stats during Nephew's rookie year: 15.4 ppg, 9.0 rpg, 1.5 bpg, 14th in MVP voting
Tony Parker stats during Nephew's rookie year: 18.3 ppg, 7.7 apg, 5th in MVP voting, All Star, All NBA Second Team
Manu Ginobili stats during Nephew's rookie year: 12.9 ppg, 4.4 apg, 3.4 rpg, 5th in 6MOY voting. Previous season: 8th in MVP voting, All Star, All NBA 3rd Team
Chris Paul stats during Wemby's rookie year: 9.2 ppg, 6.8 apg, 3.6 rpg, not on Wemby's team


One of these is not like the others.

Devin Vassell's stats during Wemby's rookie year: 19.5 PPG, 4.1 APG 3.8 RPG

what exactly is your point here?

[Dejounte]

Devin Vassell's stats during Wemby's rookie year: 19.5 PPG, 4.1 APG 3.8 RPG

what exactly is your point here? scott is throwing a dart at the wrong problem. Funny thing is I know what his real problem is and I agree with THAT point. The causation correlation is way off here

[Pauleta14]

Individual accolades is not really what Spurs about though. Dude we had the Big 3 all hofers who could’ve averaged higher playing elsewhere but instead chose to ring 4 and 5.

Also I think it’s better for Wemby’s longevity especially his body structure to be in an egalitarian system, not getting pounded every night. Our Big 3 had 16-19 year careers!

Are you saying Spurs don't care about their franchise player's ambition and individual goals he expressed multiple times publically?

Interesting...

Let's make the team the least possibly attractive to top players, what a great strategy

"Come to SA and we'll make you get over yourself!" :lol

[Pauleta14]

I said it during the game and I repeat it again...

Cp3 just CAN'T play the P&R anymore bc he doesn't have the legs to do it. he can only QB the offense from the perimeter and shoot 3s

We were all wrong and binging him was a terible idea for the team and even worse for Wemby who not only doesn't do any P&R but has his playmaking taken away by Cp

[skin27]

Are you saying Spurs don't care about their franchise player's ambition and individual goals he expressed multiple times publically?

Interesting...

Let's make the team the least possibly attractive to top players, what a great strategy

"Come to SA and we'll make you get over yourself!" :lol

yeah this way of thinking is ridiculous! Fuck spurs way or spurs culture or whatever they call it!

if the team continues to treat wemby like how they do right now the wemby should ask for a trade after his rookie contract or go elsewhere.

[Mr. Body]

I said it during the game and I repeat it again...

Cp3 just CAN'T play the P&R anymore bc he doesn't have the legs to do it. he can only QB the offense from the perimeter and shoot 3s

We were all wrong and binging him was a terible idea for the team and even worse for Wemby who not only doesn't do any P&R but has his playmaking taken away by Cp

Pick and roll IS a perimeter play. They've been running it. What are you talking about?

[Pauleta14]

yeah this way of thinking is ridiculous! Fuck spurs way or spurs culture or whatever they call it!

if the team continues to treat wemby like how they do right now the wemby should ask for a trade after his rookie contract or go elsewhere.

I'll remain a Spurs fan for life anyways, but I really think Wemby is in a terrible situation for a while between the shitty roster and now Pop being sick...

The Spurs would be in a better situation with a more taditional profile to develop, Wemby requires higher IQ and passing abilities to develop his game. He can't be used to develop guys like Keldon Champ Brahman etc

As crazy as it sounds, Spurs should trade him NOW to get the most

[LeBowen]

I'll remain a Spurs fan for life anyways, but I really think Wemby is in a terrible situation for a while between the shitty roster and now Pop being sick...

The Spurs would be in a better situation with a more taditional profile to develop, Wemby requires higher IQ and passing abilities to develop his game. He can't be used to develop guys like Keldon Champ Brahman etc

As crazy as it sounds, Spurs should trade him NOW to get the most

You've been acting like a complete retard for weeks now.
Idk what happened, from what I remember you were a good poster over the past years, but right now you're completely off the rails.
Is it even the same person posting from that account?

[Pauleta14]

Pick and roll IS a perimeter play. They've been running it. What are you talking about?

Sure, find me a play with Wemby rolling .... and being assisted for an easy bucket

When Wemby rolls he's used as a decoy and it ends up with a pass for a corner 3, (taken even with hand in the face instead of a simple triangle bc Champ or Keldon have low BBIQ)

Cp can't penetrate anymore, he does it once or twice when he's fresh in 1st hals and that's it. est of the game he's beyond the 3pt line 80% of the time

[Pauleta14]

You've been acting like a complete retard for weeks now.
Idk what happened, from what I remember you were a good poster over the past years, but right now you're completely off the rails.
Is it even the same person posting from that account?

I guess you must be hurting to chose to attack me rather than the point a made. I get it...

If you take a step back and stop taking stuff personnaly, you'd get it maybe or we could exchange arguments. It's up to you mate

[LeBowen]

I guess you must be hurting to chose to attack me rather than the point a made. I get it...

Which fucking point? You and some other posters have been repeating the same thing over and over again for weeks, going all the way into complete nonsense takes.
Like what's there to exchange with someone who wrote that Spurs should trade Wemby multiple times? I've got no motivation for arguments with someone in such mental state.

If you want to exchange arguments, I just wrote a long post in scott's topic how Spurs failed Wemby.

[John B]

Are you saying Spurs don't care about their franchise player's ambition and individual goals he expressed multiple times publically?

Interesting...

Let's make the team the least possibly attractive to top players, what a great strategy

"Come to SA and we'll make you get over yourself!" :lol

I don’t know how you’re a Spurs fan but that’s still new to you

But maybe the Big 3 didn’t like playing for the Spurs because they only kept houses in San Antonio, including DRob, Sean, and the rest who remained with the Spurs community after retirement. I’m sure players like Melo, Barkeley who has all the accolades are satisfied without a ring.

Wemby unlike you is very smart. He knows the Spurs has his best interest. And they helped him secure ROTY and in contention for DPOY which he should’ve won. Pop played him enough and help him get in the position to win for his legacy, but keeping a watchful eye while he slowly adapts to the NBA. I will believe other experts than you who all says that Wemby landed in the best possible position with Pop, who has no pressure (and doesn’t care about the media and all) but will make sure to slowly build Wemby up.

Wemby is an anomaly at 7’6 with all the skills that he has. People cannot just fairly compare him to LeBron James or other NBA greats who has NBA-ready body, whose path to greatness can easily patterned to other past great players. Wemby is a stick. He cannot be even compared to KD or Giannis, Nowitzki, Porzingis or even Manute Bol. He has different body structure with his advanced skill sets. Maybe the closest comparison is Porzingis who unfortunately got injured which derailed his career and was lucky to be playing again. He too was a unicorn. Spurs can learn from that mistake.

I think the Spurs are letting him shoot from the perimeter, then possibly exploiting the open lane created with a Sochan attacking the rim, contrary to your expert Kryptonite analysis :lol. He is paired with a Pointgod CP3 to find him, and so not to just dump the ball on the post to get nightly pounding. Just maybe that would help him in the long run. Unlike the Lakers and other big market who just pickup Stars regardless of their fit, the Spurs meticulously find people who will fit their personnel. The Big 3 enjoyed having the same teammates for years and remained a contender for the extent of Timmy’s career. With 5 rings, maybe they just know more than you. :bobo

[RC_Drunkford]

I'll remain a Spurs fan for life anyways, but I really think Wemby is in a terrible situation for a while between the shitty roster and now Pop being sick...

The Spurs would be in a better situation with a more taditional profile to develop, Wemby requires higher IQ and passing abilities to develop his game. He can't be used to develop guys like Keldon Champ Brahman etc

As crazy as it sounds, Spurs should trade him NOW to get the most

your takes are getting dumber by the day

[Pauleta14]

Which fucking point? You and some other posters have been repeating the same thing over and over again for weeks, going all the way into complete nonsense takes.
Like what's there to exchange with someone who wrote that Spurs should trade Wemby multiple times? I've got no motivation for arguments with someone in such mental state.

If you want to exchange arguments, I just wrote a long post in scott's topic how Spurs failed Wemby.

If you want me to take u seriously, pls start by not putting words I never said in my mouth.

The last time I suggested the idea was last season after the 1st month bc not only his teammates seemed either incapable or unwilling to find/look for him on the floor but Pop didn't seem to care either.

Keep in mind my point is the best interest of BOTH sides, I'm not just defending Wemby

I'm a Spurs fan 1st and forrmost and I realise that PATFO isn't the one it was even a decade ago and life is cyclical. Spurs need a more traditional type of Fanchise player, Wemby is an experimental one who seems to be stubborn at the idea to be different and it makes it even more challenging than it should be.
What makes it even more impossible is that they surrounded him FOR THE 2ND SEASON with the weakest BBIQ of the league, adding 2 high ones but with 40yo legs

Now it gets even worse bc Pop is out and can't manage the lockerroom and Mitch CLEARLY dgaf about Wemby ("he needs to figure it out" :lol) and isn't coach material at all to me.

Just imagine what we could get for Wemby NOW with the best draft in years coming...

[Pauleta14]

your takes are getting dumber by the day

I love you too hon xx

[RC_Drunkford]

Sure, find me a play with Wemby rolling .... and being assisted for an easy bucket

When Wemby rolls he's used as a decoy and it ends up with a pass for a corner 3, (taken even with hand in the face instead of a simple triangle bc Champ or Keldon have low BBIQ)

Cp can't penetrate anymore, he does it once or twice when he's fresh in 1st hals and that's it. est of the game he's beyond the 3pt line 80% of the time

this is exactly why some of us were saying that we need a PG with speed and handles who can pull up from 3, get in the lane, suck in the defense and generate open shots, which is why some of us wanted to draft Dillingham at #8 or trade for Garland. The only person on this roster that can do that is Blake Wesley. Unfortunately aside from being fast he has no other offensive skill.

[Pauleta14]

I got you all triggered... :lmao

Just take a deep breathing guys, it's just basketball

[Pauleta14]

this is exactly why some of us were saying that we need a PG with speed and handles who can pull up from 3, get in the lane, suck in the defense and generate open shots, which is why some of us wanted to draft Dillingham at #8 or trade for Garland. The only person on this roster that can do that is Blake Wesley. Unfortunately aside from being fast he has no other offensive skill.

See when you want?

You're perfectly able to stick to the topic rather than focus on the messenger and crazy shit can happen, like you and I agreing on a point :lol

Nice one

[RC_Drunkford]

See when you want?

You're perfectly able to stick to the topic rather than focus on the messenger and crazy shit can happen, like you and I agreing on a point :lol

Nice one

well asking to trade a generational player after 1.1 season ain't an intelligent take you must admit

[Pauleta14]

well asking to trade a generational player after 1.1 season ain't an intelligent take you must admit

So you just want to omit the part where Spurs would get a ridiculous package in exchange?

Let's be real and put our pride aside (I get it, it'd make us look bad, but idgaf what ppl think)...

Wouldn't you rather have 3 or 4 potential franchise players with the draft coming surrounded by a couple elite players obtained in the trade rather than, yes a geneational player, but a player that requieres a lot of things Spurs just don't have.

Especially if Pop were to retire

I think it's worth the thought bc Wemby is not only going to frustrate the fans (who still expect him to play like a trad big) but he'll end up being tired of it really soon if he gets bullied every game bc his teammates don't know how to play with him...

[LeBowen]

I think it's worth the thought bc Wemby is not only going to frustrate the fans (who still expect him to play like a trad big) but he'll end up being tired of it really soon if he gets bullied every game bc his teammates don't know how to play with him...

The only people bullying him are a handful individuals in here.
And it would be better for him to bullied early on than to crumble under pressure when it's time to actually win.

[RC_Drunkford]

So you just want to omit the part where Spurs would get a ridiculous package in exchange?

Let's be real and put our pride aside (I get it, it'd make us look bad, but idgaf what ppl think)...

Wouldn't you rather have 3 or 4 potential franchise players with the draft coming surrounded by a couple elite players obtained in the trade rather than, yes a geneational player, but a player that requieres a lot of things Spurs just don't have.

Especially if Pop were to retire

I think it's worth the thought bc Wemby is not only going to frustrate the fans (who still expect him to play like a trad big) but he'll end up being tired of it really soon if he gets bullied every game bc his teammates don't know how to play with him...

wouldnt‘t you rather have 1 or 2 franchise players paired with Wemby?

[Pauleta14]

wouldnt‘t you rather have 1 or 2 franchise players paired with Wemby?

I think I wasn't clear

I'm having real doubt on Wemby bc of the experimental aspect of his developement that lowers or at best delays the chances of success and requires too many things Spurs don't have.

I'd be a lot more confident as a Spurs fan with a more "traditional" prospect, especially if we can get 3 for Wemby alone.

If Wemby is potentially a 10/10 but with high risks of failure, I'd rather have 3x 8/10 players to build with

[baseline bum]

I think I wasn't clear

I'm having real doubt on Wemby bc of the experimental aspect of his developement that lowers or at best delays the chances of success and requires too many things Spurs don't have.

I'd be a lot more confident as a Spurs fan with a more "traditional" prospect, especially if we can get 3 for Wemby alone.

If Wemby is potentially a 10/10 but with high risks of failure, I'd rather have 3x 8/10 players to build with

I'd rather have the risky 10/10 since that's what wins you titles. The Celtics snuck one out on depth but that will be blown up because the new CBA doesn't allow those kind of teams to exist for long. The new CBA makes having a 10/10 player an even bigger advantage than it used to be. But I also don't think Wemby is a risky 10/10. He is a very likely 10/10 who is just playing like an idiot at this moment.

[Pauleta14]

I'd rather have the risky 10/10 since that's what wins you titles. The Celtics snuck one out on depth but that will be blown up because the new CBA doesn't allow those kind of teams to exist for long. The new CBA makes having a 10/10 player an even bigger advantage than it used to be. But I also don't think Wemby is a risky 10/10. He is a very likely 10/10 who is just playing like an idiot at this moment.

In my "evaluation", 8/10 are dudes like SGA Chet or Banchero

You can 100% win a title if you have 3 of those + more with the trade and rich draft coming

Wemby presents a massive risk of career ending injury and necessitate to put in place a type of basketball that requieres adapted high IQ, high passing abilities players a la 14'

Not only Spurs don't have them, but they have below average players in those areas!!

then add the additions of the next draft = More time to dev those prospect and more delay/handicap in Wemby's development...

We'll be contender by 20131 if we're lucky

[LeBowen]

IYou can 100% win a title if you have 3 of those + more with the trade and rich draft coming


Good luck having even two of those with a competent roster around them after these recent CBA changes.
Superteams are gone. These Celtics will be the last really expensive roster, can't build like that anymore.


Wemby presents a massive risk of career ending injury

Nonsensical whataboutism. He's had zero injury issues so far. We have zero reason to assume that he's going to be any different from Kareem when it comes to injuries unless it's just to push an annoying agenda that has no actual basis other than boredom and trigger-baiting people.

This era will be all about who has the best #1 option, getting a good #2 and then building around with as many elite role players on team-friendly contracts as possible

[Pauleta14]

Good luck having even two of those with a competent roster around them after these recent CBA changes.
Superteams are gone. These Celtics will be the last really expensive roster, can't build like that anymore.



Nonsensical whataboutism. He's had zero injury issues so far. We have zero reason to assume that he's going to be any different from Kareem when it comes to injuries unless it's just to push an annoying agenda that has no actual basis other than boredom and trigger-baiting people.

This era will be all about who has the best #1 option, getting a good #2 and then building around with as many elite role players on team-friendly contracts as possible

I was just giving an example

It could be 3 7/10 and 1 9/10 and a 8/10 etc

Right now we have one potential 10/10, and a bunch of 2/10 and 3/10 (Vassell 6/10)

I agree with u for the risk of injury, but I just mentioned it because it is remains a possibility/fact, no need to deny it, shit happens.

Aagin I'm just saying it's worth thinking about it bc I don't see things getting a lot better with this roster and even worse this "coach"

[LeBowen]

Aagin I'm just saying it's worth thinking about it bc I don't see things getting a lot better with this roster and even worse this "coach"

What makes you think that current iteration of PATFO would be able to get fair value back? They're just take 20131 picks and we'd grow old before we see the Spurs get over .500 again.

[Pauleta14]

What makes you think that current iteration of PATFO would be able to get fair value back? They're just take 20131 picks and we'd grow old before we see the Spurs get over .500 again.

I'm trying to be optimistic there mate... :lol

FYI I know it's not realistic, mostly bc of the terrible image it'd give the organisation, they wouldn't let that happen.

But in an ideal world with people thinking of the best interest of the Spurs long term and not their own short term, it'd make a lot of sense.

Sometimes timming sucks, Wemby arrived too late

[LeBowen]

Sometimes timming sucks, Wemby arrived too late

Wemby arrived at a perfect time, it's just that "we like what we have" mentality is killing us.

Spurs have all of their own picks, 6 picks and 5 swaps from other teams and 20+ second rounders.
Great cap situation with no bad contracts.
Devin's deal is great value if he's healthy.
Champagnie looks like a steal on such low salary.
Castle looks like a great pick.

A competent GM would turn this team into a playoff team next season and a legit contender in 26-27 season.
Would've started by getting rid of fucking Collins and Keldon this summer. Tre's expiring would also go.
Get a competent backup big, another legit wing starter and another shooter for the bench.

CP3/Castle
Devin/Champ
Jeremy/shooter
starter/Barnes
Wemby/backup

Doesn't that look way better than what we got right now? Let's say Cam Johnson as a starter.
Then if it's not good enough this season, move Jeremy to the bench and try to get a wing upgrade.
Get another legit PG and have Castle displace him as a starter eventually.

Instead we get fucking Castle/Wesley/Jeremy lineups and people wonder why can't Wemby get the ball in the paint.

[Pauleta14]

Wemby arrived at a perfect time, it's just that "we like what we have" mentality is killing us.

Spurs have all of their own picks, 6 picks and 5 swaps from other teams and 20+ second rounders.
Great cap situation with no bad contracts.
Devin's deal is great value if he's healthy.
Champagnie looks like a steal on such low salary.
Castle looks like a great pick.

A competent GM would turn this team into a playoff team next season and a legit contender in 26-27 season.
Would've started by getting rid of fucking Collins and Keldon this summer. Tre's expiring would also go.
Get a competent backup big, another legit wing starter and another shooter for the bench.

CP3/Castle
Devin/Champ
Jeremy/shooter
starter/Barnes
Wemby/backup

Doesn't that look way better than what we got right now? Let's say Cam Johnson as a starter.
Then if it's not good enough this season, move Jeremy to the bench and try to get a wing upgrade.
Get another legit PG and have Castle displace him as a starter eventually.

Instead we get fucking Castle/Wesley/Jeremy lineups and people wonder why can't Wemby get the ball in the paint.

I didn't say the whole picture is dark, I'm aware of what u listed

I said "timming sucks" for 2 reasons mainly, Pop's age (I still hope it's nothing but it could also be the end of his career soon) and the floor of the current roster that is tragically low and some of the worst players not only "not let go" last summer but extended 2 more seasons!

That's just bad luck for Wemby, imagine if he ended up anywhere else, he'd have better conditions, short tem at least, to start his career and develop.

And I'm a Spurs fan :lol

[scott]

Wemby arrived at a perfect time, it's just that "we like what we have" mentality is killing us.

Spurs have all of their own picks, 6 picks and 5 swaps from other teams and 20+ second rounders.
Great cap situation with no bad contracts.
Devin's deal is great value if he's healthy.
Champagnie looks like a steal on such low salary.
Castle looks like a great pick.

A competent GM would turn this team into a playoff team next season and a legit contender in 26-27 season.
Would've started by getting rid of fucking Collins and Keldon this summer. Tre's expiring would also go.
Get a competent backup big, another legit wing starter and another shooter for the bench.

CP3/Castle
Devin/Champ
Jeremy/shooter
starter/Barnes
Wemby/backup

Doesn't that look way better than what we got right now? Let's say Cam Johnson as a starter.
Then if it's not good enough this season, move Jeremy to the bench and try to get a wing upgrade.
Get another legit PG and have Castle displace him as a starter eventually.

Instead we get fucking Castle/Wesley/Jeremy lineups and people wonder why can't Wemby get the ball in the paint.

Boom. Exactly what I'm saying!

[baseline bum]

Wemby arrived at a perfect time, it's just that "we like what we have" mentality is killing us.

Spurs have all of their own picks, 6 picks and 5 swaps from other teams and 20+ second rounders.
Great cap situation with no bad contracts.
Devin's deal is great value if he's healthy.
Champagnie looks like a steal on such low salary.
Castle looks like a great pick.

A competent GM would turn this team into a playoff team next season and a legit contender in 26-27 season.
Would've started by getting rid of fucking Collins and Keldon this summer. Tre's expiring would also go.
Get a competent backup big, another legit wing starter and another shooter for the bench.

CP3/Castle
Devin/Champ
Jeremy/shooter
starter/Barnes
Wemby/backup

Doesn't that look way better than what we got right now? Let's say Cam Johnson as a starter.
Then if it's not good enough this season, move Jeremy to the bench and try to get a wing upgrade.
Get another legit PG and have Castle displace him as a starter eventually.

Instead we get fucking Castle/Wesley/Jeremy lineups and people wonder why can't Wemby get the ball in the paint.

Cam Johnson would cost us our 20131 dream

[Mr. Body]

Wemby arrived at a perfect time, it's just that "we like what we have" mentality is killing us.

Spurs have all of their own picks, 6 picks and 5 swaps from other teams and 20+ second rounders.
Great cap situation with no bad contracts.
Devin's deal is great value if he's healthy.
Champagnie looks like a steal on such low salary.
Castle looks like a great pick.

A competent GM would turn this team into a playoff team next season and a legit contender in 26-27 season.
Would've started by getting rid of fucking Collins and Keldon this summer. Tre's expiring would also go.
Get a competent backup big, another legit wing starter and another shooter for the bench.

CP3/Castle
Devin/Champ
Jeremy/shooter
starter/Barnes
Wemby/backup

Doesn't that look way better than what we got right now? Let's say Cam Johnson as a starter.
Then if it's not good enough this season, move Jeremy to the bench and try to get a wing upgrade.
Get another legit PG and have Castle displace him as a starter eventually.

Instead we get fucking Castle/Wesley/Jeremy lineups and people wonder why can't Wemby get the ball in the paint.

It's not a "we like what we have" mentality. It's that, in my interpretation of statements and actions, they did not want to take on multi-year salary or burn assets when they didn't fully know what works for Wembanyama yet.

And I don't think they have, and are still not quite there.

Acquiring Chris Paul and Harrison Barnes on a free was absolute genius, imm.

Picking Stephon Castle in the draft was spot on.

Otherwise, they did not want to commit to players or directions that might not work in the longer term. They wanted to keep the powder dry.

I don't think it was a bad strategy. Using multiple picks and a wad of salary for a guy who doesn't work -- then what do you do?

There's a lot of fan impatience, but they're 4-5. They have room to grow current players while adding players. Many of these guys are very young. We're starting to see movement forward for Sochan and Wesley and Branham. Even if they don't fit long-term, they don't cost anything at the moment.

I get the desire to have used that #8 pick but I'm still not convinced of any player available.

Next steps are hard. But it's getting more clear what pieces they need to look for. Taking big swings just to do something isn't really going to help much. Patience.

[LeBowen]

It's not a "we like what we have" mentality. It's that, in my interpretation of statements and actions, they did not want to take on multi-year salary or burn assets when they didn't fully know what works for Wembanyama yet.

And I don't think they have, and are still not quite there.

Acquiring Chris Paul and Harrison Barnes on a free was absolute genius, imm.

Picking Stephon Castle in the draft was spot on.

Otherwise, they did not want to commit to players or directions that might not work in the longer term. They wanted to keep the powder dry.

I don't think it was a bad strategy. Using multiple picks and a wad of salary for a guy who doesn't work -- then what do you do?

There's a lot of fan impatience, but they're 4-5. They have room to grow current players while adding players. Many of these guys are very young. We're starting to see movement forward for Sochan and Wesley and Branham. Even if they don't fit long-term, they don't cost anything at the moment.

I get the desire to have used that #8 pick but I'm still not convinced of any player available.

Next steps are hard. But it's getting more clear what pieces they need to look for. Taking big swings just to do something isn't really going to help much. Patience.

Why would it have to be trades involving multiple picks?
All I keep asking for is a solid backup big and one or two more Champagnie-like shooters.
Instead they decided to keep devepoling all these non-shooters that have no chance of being legit playoff contributors, but are a detriment to Wemby and Castle.

[scott]

Why would it have to be trades involving multiple picks?
All I keep asking for is a solid backup big and one or two more Champagnie-like shooters.
Instead they decided to keep devepoling all these non-shooters that have no chance of being legit playoff contributors, but are a detriment to Wemby and Castle.

Lots of useful veterans available for SRPs, of which we have many. What would DFS cost? Just get me some functional professionals capable of running a real offense.

OR... maybe it all comes down to Wemby is truly freelancing out there and he is the monkey wrench in the gears... who knows? The "I'm going to continue to shoot because that's what I'm going to develop" answer doesn't really inspire a lot of confidence.

[Mr. Body]

Why would it have to be trades involving multiple picks?
All I keep asking for is a solid backup big and one or two more Champagnie-like shooters.
Instead they decided to keep devepoling all these non-shooters that have no chance of being legit playoff contributors, but are a detriment to Wemby and Castle.

Their decision seemed to be to keep everything, all assets, until they knew what they needed. Really, if Devin was playing then Champ would be the shooter off the bench alongside Branham, who honestly looks like he might be getting there. And then I think they had CP in mind with the cap space all along but things went a little wonky in a super-beneficial way (they got him for cheaper, used the cap for Barnes+SACswap). Acquiring steps-up from Collins/Bassey or another shooter would cost, when they're not quite there yet. And we've seen that just getting a shooter doesn't really work - like with Osman or McBuckets. The needs are more specific.

[scott]

Their decision seemed to be to keep everything, all assets, until they knew what they needed. Really, if Devin was playing then Champ would be the shooter off the bench alongside Branham, who honestly looks like he might be getting there. And then I think they had CP in mind with the cap space all along but things went a little wonky in a super-beneficial way (they got him for cheaper, used the cap for Barnes+SACswap). Acquiring steps-up from Collins/Bassey or another shooter would cost, when they're not quite there yet. And we've seen that just getting a shooter doesn't really work - like with Osman or McBuckets. The needs are more specific.

If we were truly keeping our powder dry so that we could pay CP3 $30MM, as you theorize, then I think that raises plenty of other questions.

[Frenchfred]

the goal of 2025 is to develop Wemby and Castle. Castle will slowly play more at the point as the year goes by and Vassel is back. The goal is clearly not to win this year, I maintain that the Spurs are a lottery team and hopefully will have some luck in the upcoming draft together with Atlanta's pick, the dream scenario being a top3 pick. I see some trades in the summer of 2025 for an established star (not superstar). A lot of Spurs players will be on their last year so interesting package with draft picks.

That being said, we need to develop Wemby

[Mr. Body]

If we were truly keeping our powder dry so that we could pay CP3 $30MM, as you theorize, then I think that raises plenty of other questions.

No, not really.

[Pauleta14]

the goal of 2025 is to develop Wemby and Castle. Castle will slowly play more at the point as the year goes by and Vassel is back. The goal is clearly not to win this year, I maintain that the Spurs are a lottery team and hopefully will have some luck in the upcoming draft together with Atlanta's pick, the dream scenario being a top3 pick. I see some trades in the summer of 2025 for an established star (not superstar). A lot of Spurs players will be on their last year so interesting package with draft picks.

That being said, we need to develop Wemby

Explain me the logic to unnecessarily handicap those players you aim to develop by surrounding them by players who themselves need even more developement?

You not only makes it even more challenging for them but you can also create problems that wouldn't have existed had you done a better casting or as it seems to be the case not be satisfied to the point of extending players who've shown absurd limitations and were source of said handicaps last season (Brahman Keldon Wesley I'd add Champ is he wasn't so cheap but man the guy is dumb smh)

We'll see how it develops, but you can smell the skinkiness since pre season, I hope Pop comes back asap because without him it can get very ugly for Wemby with Mitch "he'll figure out" Johnson

[RC_Drunkford]

Explain me the logic to unnecessarily handicap those players you aim to develop by surrounding them by players who themselves need even more developement?

You not only makes it even more challenging for them but you can also create problems that wouldn't have existed had you done a better casting or as it seems to be the case not be satisfied to the point of extending players who've shown absurd limitations and were source of said handicaps last season (Brahman Keldon Wesley I'd add Champ is he wasn't so cheap but man the guy is dumb smh)

We'll see how it develops, but you can smell the skinkiness since pre season, I hope Pop comes back asap because without him it can get very ugly for Wemby with Mitch "he'll figure out" Johnson

If you think Pop will design some offense around Wemby and come up with sets to free him up you're fantasizing