Promises made: striking birthright citizenship from the US Constitution by presidential decree

[Winehole23]

You're not supposed to be able to amend the US Constitution this way, but why the hell not?

We have a Supreme Court that thinks the 14th Amendment -- the beating heart of all the reconstruction amendments -- is color-blind. Might as well try to bum rush the US constitution.

As a matter of practice, I tend to doubt courts could do anything about Trump using US armed forces to deport people, even US citizens. It has happened in the past.

You could even try to dress it up as humanitarian, say that US mass deportation is "keeping families together."


1854558928031641859https://x.com/davincentjames/status/1854558928031641859

[Winehole23]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GbtkdpwWcAMTDl-?format=jpg&name=900x900

[benefactor]

He tried this before...it won't work this time either.

[FrostKing]

Trump is epic campaigner

2016 1st Half was disappointment. We will see if he learned es his lesson.

[Winehole23]

He tried this before...it won't work this time either.Did he really?

The immunity SCOTUS just gave Trump may change the contours of the game.

I think maybe Trump can do as he pleases with executive officials and US armed services this time around. At a minimum, facts can be created on the ground before any court can stop it, and SCOTUS will shield Trump from legal accountability.

[FrostKing]

If Trump can middle ground a solution with Putin, he will be remembered as the Warwhisperer

[Winehole23]

Trump is epic campaigner

2016 1st Half was disappointment. We will see if he learned es his lesson.there are fewer institutional checks this time around, I would imagine that incompetence and corruption remain Trump's main challenges

[Winehole23]

If Trump can middle ground a solution with Putin, he will be remembered as the Warwhisperergive him the Nobel Prize already, didn't Obama get one basically for being elected?

:lol

[FrostKing]

give him the Nobel Prize already, didn't Obama get one basically for being elected?

:lol
Trump disappointed many of us but he is strong Foreign Policy. His biggest strength.

[Winehole23]

Trump will try to make up for his relatively weak record on immigration



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gb6PIQpXYAAvDVx?format=jpg&name=900x900

[koriwhat]

No more anchor clump of cells! Ship them and their parents back to their shithole countries! :tu

[GAustex]

No more anchor clump of cells! Ship them and their parents back to their shithole countries! :tu

^this here

[ChumpDumper]

:lol Fred Trump was an anchor baby.

[benefactor]

Did he really?


While president in 2018, Trump said he planned to issue an executive order to limit birthright citizenship, but never followed through. Many legal scholars at the time were skeptical that Trump could use executive authority to roll back the right.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-vows-end-birthright-citizenship-children-immigrants-us-illegally-2023-05-30/
His people at the time told him it wasn't possible so he didn't do it. He may actually try this time, but it won't go anywhere

[koriwhat]

His people at the time told him it wasn't possible so he didn't do it. He may actually try this time, but it won't go anywhere

Just like he wouldn't win 2024, amirite? :lmao

[Thread]

there are fewer institutional checks this time around, I would imagine that incompetence and corruption remain Trump's main challenges

They're not going to just sit there and let him accomplish [[[anything]]] without rabid resistance, whatever form that will require.

They know no other tact. And are sworn to it no matter what.

[Thread]

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-vows-end-birthright-citizenship-children-immigrants-us-illegally-2023-05-30/
His people at the time told him it wasn't possible so he didn't do it. He may actually try this time, but it won't go anywhere

Hi, fart-face.

[SnakeBoy]

lol Whinehole has gone into full meltdown mode

More will follow

[HemisfairArena]

:lol Fred Trump was an anchor baby.

and how did that turn out for ya?,,,,,you actually just made the case to kick them all out. Look at what one of his offspring did to your party, your country,,,your supreme court,,,,,and thats just one guy. Imagine if you had kicked him out of the country,,,,there would be no Donald Trump in your life. You democrats should be screaming to kick them all out after this Fred Trump example. You cant take anymore Donald Trump's in your life or they'll just annihilate all forms of liberalism.

[GAustex]

In wrestling terms that was a two point reversal followed by a pin

[DMX7]

and how did that turn out for ya?,,,,,you actually just made the case to kick them all out. Look at what one of his offspring did to your party, your country,,,your supreme court,,,,,and thats just one guy. Imagine if you had kicked him out of the country,,,,there would be no Donald Trump in your life. You democrats should be screaming to kick them all out after this Fred Trump example. You cant take anymore Donald Trump's in your life or they'll just annihilate all forms of liberalism.

:wow

[Millennial_Messiah]

Deport everyone who wasn't born here and deport all anchor babies.

The former demographic includes Melania, but hey, sacrifices must be made for the greater good, right Mr. President? And it's not like he can't score some younger pussy anyway these days.

[Winehole23]

lol Whinehole has gone into full meltdown mode

More will followI feel calm, did your pulse quicken for some reason?

[Winehole23]

Deport everyone who wasn't born here and deport all anchor babies.

The former demographic includes Melania
but hey, sacrifices must be made for the greater good, right Mr. President? And it's not like he can't score some younger pussy anyway these days.anchor babies are traditional US citizens. this is radical

jus soli. 14th Amendment.

read the Congressional Globe, Congress knew what the words meant.

[Millennial_Messiah]

anchor babies are traditional US citizens. this is radical

jus soli. 14th Amendment.

read the Congressional Globe, Congress knew what the words meant.
the issue is, the dems can just import poverty ridden pregnant women (if they're not already pregnant, they'll kidnap them and hire a few guys to rape and impregnate them all) from all over the world by the truckload or just ship them in by the tens of thousands, pay to make sure they give birth in the USA so their babies will have auto citizenship, then whine on TV about republicans breaking up families if they deport their mothers. And then when the masses of mothers are ultimately given US citizenship they'll all vote democrat, as will the babies when they grow up, it's part of the dems' long term power strategy and white replacement agenda.

[Winehole23]

I guess, in this hyperlegal MAGA world, none of this matters anymore, is already outmoded

[Winehole23]

the issue is, the dems can just import poverty ridden pregnant women from all over the world by the truckload or just ship them in by the tens of thousands, pay to make sure they give birth in the USA so their babies will have auto citizenship, then whine on TV about republicans breaking up families if they deport their mothers. And then when the masses of mothers are ultimately given US citizenship they'll all vote democrat, as will the babies when they grow up, it's part of the dems' long term power strategy and white replacement agenda.that's bonkers

[Winehole23]

mass formation psychosis

you think they're trying to do it to you, but in reality, you're doing it to yourself.

[Winehole23]

(but not without social/political pressure)

[Winehole23]

Consider Latino voting patterns in this election. the big shift to Trump in the RGV included chingos de Biden voters.

Is that the Great Replacement too?

I think y'all have got the immigrants wrong.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Consider Latino voting patterns in this election. the big shift to Trump in the RGV included chingos de Biden voters.

Is that the Great Replacement too?

I think y'all have got the immigrants wrong.

Hater and ElNono both explained it pretty well. The ones that are already here are conservatives, the ones that are incoming, from Venezuela and everywhere else are left voting liberal marxists.

the "chinga Biden" vote is because they don't want drug dealers and squatters on their property, it doesn't fuckin' matter what color they are. Also, they can't afford $5/gallon gas like in 2022 and double grocery prices caused by Bidenflation anymore.

[Winehole23]

Hater and ElNono both explained it pretty well. The ones that are already here are conservatives, the ones that are incoming, from Venezuela and everywhere else are left voting liberal marxists.

the "chinga Biden" vote is because they don't want drug dealers and squatters on their property, it doesn't fuckin' matter what color they are. Also, they can't afford $5/gallon gas like in 2022 and double grocery prices caused by Bidenflation anymore.this is gibberish, tbh

[Millennial_Messiah]

this is gibberish, tbh

You know what was gibberish? Que-Mala running a campaign on "let's roll back [Bidenflation] by making sure the grocery prices don't charge customers a necessary higher amount of money to cover the costs of unnecessary, big government-caused inflation".

[Winehole23]

You know what was gibberish? Que-Mala running a campaign on "let's roll back [Bidenflation] by making sure the grocery prices don't charge customers a necessary higher amount of money to cover the costs of unnecessary, big government-caused inflation".Kamala did not do so great. Did not connect with voters.

I'm still amazed that the corrupt, sundowning degenerate on your side hasn't lost the confidence of his followers.

Trump objectively looks and sounds terrible.

[HemisfairArena]

Kamala did not do so great. Did not connect with voters.

I'm still amazed that the corrupt, sundowning degenerate on your side hasn't lost the confidence of his followers.

Trump objectively looks and sounds terrible.

We learned from you democrats,,,we are now putting party over country. Trump showed that republicans need to start fighting in the mud like democrats and quit being the nice guys. Now you democrats dont like it,,,,,hyperlegal maga, you say,,,,,you didnt say shit when Biden was tsompin' all over the law trying to buy votes with his bullshit student loan payoff,,,,,quit throwin' your stones in a glass house, wine ho. Your side lost and America wised up. You can keep your baby killin', trans changin', open border, godless ways,,,,and you wonder why you lost to a convicted criminal with those type of democrat positions,,,,maybe you should start bashin' your own party so they come around,,,,,

[Winehole23]

We learned from you democrats,,,we are now putting party over country. Trump showed that republicans need to start fighting in the mud like democrats and quit being the nice guys. Now you democrats dont like it,,,,,hyperlegal maga, you say,,,,,you didnt say shit when Biden was tsompin' all over the law trying to buy votes with his bullshit student loan payoff,,,,,quit throwin' your stones in a glass house, wine ho. Your side lost and America wised up. You can keep your baby killin', trans changin', open border, godless ways,,,,and you wonder why you lost to a convicted criminal with those type of democrat positions,,,,maybe you should start bashin' your own party so they come around,,,,,more gibberish, but you seem to thrill to it

[Winehole23]

Trump being a moral degenerate and mentally degenerating before our eyes does not necessarily conflict with white power, nor does Trump being extremely conceited and self-dealing!

14.88 MyPillow.com

[GAustex]

Take the L bitch
You lost
Trump is now your daddy

[Winehole23]

Take the L bitch
You lost
Trump is now your daddyno he isn't, I already have a daddy

[Winehole23]

Laughing out loud at our sh1tty Napoleon.

I will continue to laugh out loud as long as I live.

Trump is the worst in us appealing to the worst -- highly embarrassing and dishonorable.

[ChumpDumper]

and how did that turn out for ya?.How did it turn out for you?

I'm in favor of Trump's being the son of an anchor baby.

Are you?

[Winehole23]

two FedSoc opinions on birthright citizenship


While the original Constitution required citizenship for federal office, it never defined it. The 14th Amendment, however, provides that “[a]ll persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.”36 Congress did not draft this language to alter the concept of citizenship, but to affirm American practice dating from the origins of our Republic. With the exception of a few years before the Civil War, the United States followed the British rule of jus solis (citizenship defined by birthplace), rather than the rule of jus sanguinis (citizenship defined by that of parents) that prevails in much of continental Europe.37 As the 18th century English jurist William Blackstone explained: “The children of aliens, born here in England, are generally speaking, natural-born subjects, and entitled to all the privileges of such.”38

After the Civil War, congressional Republicans drafted the 14th Amendment to correct one of slavery’s grave distortions of our law. In Dred Scott v. Sanford (https://fedsoc.org/case/dred-scott-v-sandford), Chief Justice Roger Taney found that slaves, even though born in the United States, could never become citizens.39 The 14th Amendment directly overruled Dred Scott by declaring that everyone born in the U.S., irrespective of race, were citizens. It also removed from the majoritarian political process the ability to abridge the citizenship of children born to members of disfavored ethnic, religious, or political minorities.



We start with the relevant words of the 14th Amendment ratified on July 9, 1868. It requires that two conditions—not just birth in this country—be present for citizenship to be granted: (i) the baby must be “born … in the United States;” and (ii) when born, the baby must be “subject to the jurisdiction” of the United States. A cursory glance at the words themselves makes it clear that those who argue that mere birth within the United States results in citizenship fail reasonably to address this second requirement.9

Two Supreme Court opinions, both issued within the decade after ratification of the 14th Amendment are particularly relevant to construing the meaning of the Birthright Citizenship provision. Note that, because the meaning of the Birthright Citizenship provision did not determine the outcome in either case, the Court’s statements in both decisions are dicta, not binding holdings. But the Justices’ words should be considered authoritative insofar as they were expressed by Justices who lived through the enactment of the provision they were construing, and thus were well positioned to comprehend the meaning and intention of the words. These Court-expressed views on the meaning of the Birthright Citizenship provision should also be considered authoritative because the Justices were unanimous in making the statement in one case, and, in the other, the dissenters did not disagree with that particular point.
The Federalist Society (https://fedsoc.org/fedsoc-review/birthright-citizenship-two-perspectives)

[koriwhat]

that's bonkers

Not in the least. Many of the Chinese do it already and other demos. Who are you kidding?

[Tyronn Lue]

This false narrative about 1st or 2nd generation Americans being emotionally committed to the homelands of their ancestors, or hyper-worried about new arrivals into the US facing stringent immigration rules has never grown any real legs during elections. It didn't this time either. Why do some keep repeating it?

[koriwhat]

I'm still amazed that the corrupt, sundowning degenerate on your side hasn't lost the confidence of his followers.

Trump objectively looks and sounds terrible.

TDS LvL 1000000000000

Look around, everyones a racist huh? You're such a goon.


more gibberish, but you seem to thrill to it

Always gibberish when you're unable to dispute any of the claims mentioned.


Trump being a moral degenerate and mentally degenerating before our eyes does not necessarily conflict with white power, nor does Trump being extremely conceited and self-dealing!

14.88 MyPillow.com

LOL White supremacy

Are you white? Well, as DiAngelo says, "white people had been socialized into a deeply internalized sense of superiority that we either are unaware of or can never admit to ourselves."

Both of you fools are faux intellectual retards if we're all being honest here. :lol


no he isn't, I already have a daddy

Ew, you call your father, daddy? :vomit:


Trump is the worst in us appealing to the worst -- highly embarrassing and dishonorable.

He's quite literally the American Dream. Maybe not from slums to riches American Dream but most def the American Dream and was thought as so by everyone up until 2015. You can dispute this all you'd like or you can review many decades of videos, articles, and the like about the man. Also, you could just come back to reality.

[koriwhat]

This false narrative about 1st or 2nd generation Americans being emotionally committed to the homelands of their ancestors, or hyper-worried about new arrivals into the US facing stringent immigration rules has never grown any real legs during elections. It didn't this time either. Why do some keep repeating it?

Wow, we agree TL. :tu

[baseline bum]

This false narrative about 1st or 2nd generation Americans being emotionally committed to the homelands of their ancestors, or hyper-worried about new arrivals into the US facing stringent immigration rules has never grown any real legs during elections. It didn't this time either. Why do some keep repeating it?

Because culture war bullshit isn't threatening to the donors.

[daslicer]

the issue is, the dems can just import poverty ridden pregnant women (if they're not already pregnant, they'll kidnap them and hire a few guys to rape and impregnate them all) from all over the world by the truckload or just ship them in by the tens of thousands, pay to make sure they give birth in the USA so their babies will have auto citizenship, then whine on TV about republicans breaking up families if they deport their mothers. And then when the masses of mothers are ultimately given US citizenship they'll all vote democrat, as will the babies when they grow up, it's part of the dems' long term power strategy and white replacement agenda.

I don't think that's necessarily the case that these people will vote for democrats after getting citizenship. I have seen plenty of stories of Hispanics who were once illegals but became citizens that voted for Trump. I don't think you have to worry about the Great Replacement Theory long-term because even these immigrants mainly don't view white people as the enemy but more so desire and wish to be accepted by the whites. There are a ton of self-hating Hispanics and Asians I have encountered that are obsessed with seeking white approval and acceptance. I have always viewed it as pathetic but to me it's the biggest reason why I think the great replacement theory fear by white conservatives is idiotic.

[Thread]

TDS LvL 1000000000000

Look around, everyones a racist huh? You're such a goon.



Always gibberish when you're unable to dispute any of the claims mentioned.



LOL White supremacy

Are you white? Well, as DiAngelo says, "white people had been socialized into a deeply internalized sense of superiority that we either are unaware of or can never admit to ourselves."

Both of you fools are faux intellectual retards if we're all being honest here. :lol



Ew, you call your father, daddy? :vomit:



He's quite literally the American Dream. Maybe not from slums to riches American Dream but most def the American Dream and was thought as so by everyone up until 2015. You can dispute this all you'd like or you can review many decades of videos, articles, and the like about the man. Also, you could just come back to reality.

...Mark it as another finest hour.

kori

[baseline bum]

He's quite literally the American Dream. Maybe not from slums to riches American Dream but most def the American Dream and was thought as so by everyone up until 2015. You can dispute this all you'd like or you can review many decades of videos, articles, and the like about the man. Also, you could just come back to reality.

He really is. Got a bunch of money from daddy, blew it all, got bailed out by NBC to do a game show about what a success he was in business. And now he's literally above the law.

[HemisfairArena]

How did it turn out for you?

I'm in favor of Trump's being the son of an anchor baby.

Are you?


Absolutely I am,,,,hopefully more Trumps in the future,,,,

[ChumpDumper]

Absolutely I am,,,,hopefully more Trumps in the future,,,,So you're against this proposed policy.:tu

[HemisfairArena]

So you're against this proposed policy.:tu

Absolutey,,,,its biting the democrats right in the ass,,,,,they are losing hispanic votes by the droves as well,,,,,whats not to like?

[Blake]

Absolutey,,,,its biting the democrats right in the ass,,,,,they are losing hispanic votes by the droves as well,,,,,whats not to like?

Anything to pwn teh libs

[HemisfairArena]

Anything to pwn teh libs

Why not?,,,,,you guys put party over country,,,,,so we will also,,,,its all good in the hood.

[Blake]

Why not?,,,,,you guys put party over country,,,,,so we will also,,,,its all good in the hood.

What right wing media hack told you that? You old saps are so gullible.

[GAustex]

Tom Homan named to be in charge of our borders

[HemisfairArena]

What right wing media hack told you that? You old saps are so gullible.

You threatened the man when he won in2016,,,,even impeached him twice because you were ass hurt,,,,now we learned to play dirty like you fucks,,,,i love it,,,,party over country like ya showed us,,,,

[ChumpDumper]

Absolutey,,,,its biting the democrats right in the ass,,,,,they are losing hispanic votes by the droves as well,,,,,whats not to like?As long as you're against Trump's stated policy.:tu

[ChumpDumper]

Why not?,,,,,you guys put party over country,,,,,so we will also,,,,its all good in the hood.But you're going against your party.

[HemisfairArena]

But you're going against your party.


its all good as long as democrats get fucked like you are,,,,

[Blake]

You threatened the man when he won in2016,,,,even impeached him twice because you were ass hurt,,,,now we learned to play dirty like you fucks,,,,i love it,,,,party over country like ya showed us,,,,

Thread loves it when slappies like you imitate him. No doubt he'll throw you the bone you're craving.

[Blake]

its all good as long as democrats get fucked like you are,,,,

What a weird stance

[HemisfairArena]

What a weird stance

we won,,,,,

[Blake]

we won,,,,,

Yeah there's an over abundance of weirdos like you in America that want to push us back to 1963.

[HemisfairArena]

Yeah there's an over abundance of weirdos like you in America that want to push us back to 1963.

you calling all those blacks and mexicans that voted Trump,,,weirdo's?,,,,,

[Blake]

you calling all those blacks and mexicans that voted Trump,,,weirdo's?,,,,,

Absolutely.

[ChumpDumper]

its all good as long as democrats get fucked like you are,,,,

To what end?

What did you actually vote for?

[Thread]

To what end?

What did you actually vote for?

Defiance.

You've tried to end him the past 10 years.

Trump President.
Not Biden.
Not Harris.

And that Magic Negro bein' MIA. tee, hee.

[GAustex]

Where is the magic negro
A non extradition country?

[ChumpDumper]

Where is the magic negro
A non extradition country?

:lol Trump arrested no one in his first term, nor did he release the Epstein records.

What makes you think he'll do any of that this time?

[Thread]

Where is the magic negro
A non extradition country?

Him mad now.

[Thread]

:lol Trump arrested no one in his first term, nor did he release the Epstein records.

What makes you think he'll do any of that this time?

We ain't seen the Diddy records as well. Nor the 911 calls. Nor the Police reports.

[ducks]

Why should a illegal run to the states get the hospital bed and then their baby automatic USA citizen
Why do you want to encourage breaking laws

[Thread]

Why should a illegal run to the states get the hospital bed and then their baby automatic USA citizen
Why do you want to encourage breaking laws

Because we've been murderin' babies in the amount of over 63 million since '73 and we needs the population.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Eh, I have faith that Trump's second term will be more effective than his first, hopefully purge more establishmentarians out of congress and the senate or at least make them go in line with what the popular vote of America voted for, hopefully Rick Scott is elected Senate Majority Leader at least, though my appetite has increased for a more firebrand successor, someone like a Tucker Carlson or Alex Jones for President 2028.

[Thread]

Eh, I have faith that Trump's second term will be more effective than his first, hopefully purge more establishmentarians out of congress and the senate or at least make them go in line with what the popular vote of America voted for, hopefully Rick Scott is elected Senate Majority Leader at least, though my appetite has increased for a more firebrand successor, someone like a Tucker Carlson or Alex Jones for President 2028.

It'll be a miracle if he ain't shot to death by Summer.

[ducks]

Obama deported more people than Trump

https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/13/politics/obama-trump-deportations-illegal-immigration/index.html

[Blake]

Obama deported more people than Trump

https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/13/politics/obama-trump-deportations-illegal-immigration/index.html

And yet you still got duped into believing in "THE WALL"

[Thread]

And yet you still got duped into believing in "THE WALL"

Biden built on to it as well, Blake. You've nary room son.

[koriwhat]

He really is. Got a bunch of money from daddy, blew it all, got bailed out by NBC to do a game show about what a success he was in business. And now he's literally above the law.

Use this same energy against those who have investors, bank loans, and those seeking bailouts for their shit college degrees.

You have no clue what you speak of outside of simply hating a man, and those who support him, you were programmed to hate after 40+ yrs of loving him prior. It's hilarious how deep you scumbags are in that death cult of yours.

Keep being a retard bro! Them tears of yours are saltier than any salt mine on Earth. :tu

[koriwhat]

Biden built on to it as well, Blake. You've nary room son.

BlaKKKe's vagina is wider than the Grand Canyon. I hear his ex-wife's is too but not because of BlaKKKe. Bro is such a pathetic bitch.

[baseline bum]

Eh, I have faith that Trump's second term will be more effective than his first, hopefully purge more establishmentarians out of congress and the senate or at least make them go in line with what the popular vote of America voted for, hopefully Rick Scott is elected Senate Majority Leader at least, though my appetite has increased for a more firebrand successor, someone like a Tucker Carlson or Alex Jones for President 2028.

No surprise someone supporting a criminal for president supports a criminal responsible for the largest Medicare fraud case to lead the senate.

[baseline bum]

Use this same energy against those who have investors, bank loans, and those seeking bailouts for their shit college degrees.

You have no clue what you speak of outside of simply hating a man, and those who support him, you were programmed to hate after 40+ yrs of loving him prior. It's hilarious how deep you scumbags are in that death cult of yours.

Keep being a retard bro! Them tears of yours are saltier than any salt mine on Earth. :tu

LOL your TDS

[koriwhat]

Baseline, just like Asshole23, can't refute anything said and thus... Keep pretending your words are worth a fuck, bud. :tu

[ChumpDumper]

Wait, you admit you support Trump now?

[FrostKing]

Start the Avalanche of deportation

All the West is talking. I'm not a jerk but let's fucking go send them out. Make room for the newcomers.

I'm sorry it will scare people but to be part of the West we need regulations and standards. We are a team together.

[FrostKing]

Make American a standard. Then Wargongering is shameful.

[Winehole23]

immigration is good, if maintaining the lifestyle to which we've become accustomed is important


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GdIwvrnWYAAzmqU?format=jpg&name=900x900

[koriwhat]

LEGAL immigration is good

[Winehole23]

the US receives the benefits of immigration regardless of the legal status of the immigrants, tbh

[GAustex]

Why cannot I have some laws that I can ignore too?

[ChumpDumper]

Why cannot I have some laws that I can ignore too?

You didn't give Trump enough money.

[Thread]

Why cannot I have some laws that I can ignore too?

Hallelujah!!!

[Winehole23]

The US Congress knew exactly what it was doing


https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:f4d76fjna5nxqsy2fu6cgmp3/bafkreigqfxhgxpzyvbmunlmaebp63wlfwsczxbw5bjw3wgqxr 6lrijyjba@jpegCONG. GLOBE, 39TH CONG., 1ST SESS. 498 (1866).

[koriwhat]

the US receives the benefits of immigration regardless of the legal status of the immigrants, tbh

What a dumbass take but what's new when it comes to your bleeding heart leftist takes.

[Winehole23]

What a dumbass take but what's new when it comes to your bleeding heart leftist takes.Immigration is good, always has been

[koriwhat]

Immigration is good, always has been

Legal immigration. Word games don't work on non-leftists bro. "mUh DeMoCrAcY"..."ImMiGrAnT"... don't fucking care for your games!

[Thread]

What a dumbass take but what's new when it comes to your bleeding heart leftist takes.

Amen & hallelujah!!!

[Winehole23]

The manner of entry doesn't really matter practically, immigration hitherto has been socially and economically beneficial

Y'all been demagogued and frankly lost your minds over it

[Thread]

The manner of entry doesn't really matter practically, immigration hitherto has been socially and economically beneficial

Y'all been demagogued and frankly lost your minds over it

..."But I'm President...and their not."

[Winehole23]

Trumplandia lost twice today


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via: https://www.lawdork.com/p/ag-pam-bondi-says-trump-sets-doj

[ChumpDumper]

Jes trying to move det Overton window.

[Winehole23]

Jes trying to move det Overton window.right, it's a contemporary controversy now

[ChumpDumper]

NYT op-eds to follow.

[Winehole23]

Cruz got fried, Tucker made him look like a ditz -- and he is

A half-prepared reporter could do this to Trump any day of the week

But it's considered a breach of protocol (and rather nasty) for the press to ask direct questions and to follow them up briskly


Carlson asks Cruz, “How many people live in Iran by the way?” Cruz responds, “I don’t know the population.”

“You don’t know the population of the country you seek to topple?,” Carlson insists?

Cruz shot back, “I don’t sit around memorizing population tables.”

Carlson stated, “Well, it’s kinda relevant because you’re calling for the overthrow of the Government.”

The two men then argue about the “ethnic mix” of Iran, which leads to Cruz shouting, “I am not the Tucker Carlson expert on Iran!”

Carlson retorts, “No you’re a Senator who is calling to overthrow the country and you don’t know anything about the country!”
https://www.thedailybeast.com/ted-cruz-absolutely-explodes-in-maga-civil-war-gotcha-moment/?via=ios

[ChumpDumper]

“I am not the Tucker Carlson expert on Iran!”

:lol what does that even mean?

[Winehole23]

“I am not the Tucker Carlson expert on Iran!”

:lol what does that even mean?Cruz did a Kinsley gaffe where he said "we" in reference to the Israeli aerial campaign in Iran

Carlson immediately contrasted that with the official line and made Cruz waffle on camera trying walk it back

[Winehole23]

they knew

is Trump running the Reconstruction in reverse?



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[Winehole23]

(the colloquy of these two in the Congressional Globe is highly arch and semi-restrained)

[Winehole23]

Jes trying to move det Overton window.ackshully the original intent

is the literal opposite of the words of the Amendment


nobody knew what the 14th Amendment ackshully means 'til just now

[Winehole23]

A Florida professor can't have the word "race" in her course title because that's illegal DEI

but a student from the same university wins a prize for his essay, because the KKK/Nathan Bedford Forrest theory of the US Constitution -- that it enshrines a white man's government -- is protected free speech


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[koriwhat]

A Florida professor can't have the word "race" in her course title because that's illegal DEI

but a student from the same university wins a prize for his essay, because the KKK/Nathan Bedford Forrest theory of the US Constitution -- that it enshrines a white man's government -- is protected free speech

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/21/us/white-supremacist-university-of-florida-paper.html?unlocked_article_code=1.Qk8.Zdse.9h3Khk fNOqv2&smid=url-share

Let me guess, you see white supremacy everywhere... :lmao

[Winehole23]

Let me guess, you see white supremacy everywhere... :lmaothe guy who wrote the essay actually said that "it wouldn't be manifestly wrong" to call him a neo-Nazi

but leaving that aside, someone who says Dred Scott was correct but didn't go far enough is most probably a white supremacist

[koriwhat]

the guy who wrote the essay actually said that "it wouldn't be manifestly wrong" to call him a neo-Nazi

but leaving that aside, someone who says Dred Scott was correct but didn't go far enough is most probably a white supremacist

Good thing I don't read any of your linked articles then. What are you doing reading and spreading blatant white supremacist propaganda? :lol

[koriwhat]

Btw, lol being worried over a dumb student's paper but not a propagandist professor paid by our tax $ more than likely. You're out of touch with reality bro.

[Winehole23]

Just pointing out a sign of the times

White supremacy is now free speech

And merely mentioning civil rights for anyone else is "illegal DEI"

[koriwhat]

Just pointing out a sign of the times

White supremacy is now free speech

And merely mentioning civil rights for anyone else is "illegal DEI"

You say this as if that professor is really merely mentioning civil rights. From what I've seen coming out of education from grade school to college has been nothing less than propaganda, lies, gay/trans shit, and most of all Marxist bs. You can't convince me otherwise that that professor was just wanting to "teach".

[koriwhat]

Just pointing out a sign of the times

White supremacy is now free speech

And merely mentioning civil rights for anyone else is "illegal DEI"

Btw white supremacy talk/text has always been free speech just like black supremacy and more. It's up to you to be a man and not turn into a drama queen over your hurt feelings. Doesn't mean either train of thought it good, just means you need to grow thicker skin and manage your feelings.

[Winehole23]

You're ignoring Trumplandia's top down censorship of the whole of government to eradicate civil rights policy within government and using federal transfers to compel private businesses and institutions to abandon DEI outside of it

Under Trump, white supremacy is protected speech, but speech against it isn't

[Winehole23]

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[Winehole23]

basically a pro-lynching constitution



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[koriwhat]

You're ignoring Trumplandia's top down censorship of the whole of government to eradicate civil rights policy within government and using federal transfers to compel private businesses and institutions to abandon DEI outside of it

Under Trump, white supremacy is protected speech, but speech against it isn't

Hyperbole. Sorry your cult of retardation is losing more than the Knicks over the past 30 yrs.

[Winehole23]

no, you're just kind of low information and dense

[koriwhat]

basically a pro-lynching constitution

When you've got nothing, always pull out the "basically".

[koriwhat]

no, you're just kind of low information and dense

Not in the least. You're just a moron, same people who think men can be women, biden was of sound mind, Ukraine our ally... you're a straight up retard!

[Winehole23]

aside from the topic, here are a couple of recent tweets from the prize-winning author

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[Winehole23]

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[Winehole23]

Not in the least. You're just a moron, same people who think men can be women, biden was of sound mind, Ukraine our ally... you're a straight up retard!ok, cranky

[koriwhat]

ok, cranky

Truth hurts, huh? Why take any of you mentally ill leftists seriously? Majority doesn't! Yall are delusional maxxing.

[koriwhat]

aside from the topic, here are a couple of recent tweets from the prize-winning author

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Lol you take offense to everything but blatant antisemitism. Why is that? I don't think you personally should but since you clutch your pearls over everything else it's humorous what subjects you tend to dismiss or propagate.

[koriwhat]

Lmao now that I looked that dudes name up... :lol

[ChumpDumper]

I don't read

[Winehole23]

Lol you take offense to everything but blatant antisemitism. Why is that? You're mistaken hoss, I'm one of the few posters that calls out antisemitism on this board

[Winehole23]

all US newborns certified as a class to prevent Trump from (unconstitutionally) stripping them of citizenship


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https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mdd.574698/gov.uscourts.mdd.574698.131.0.pdf

[Winehole23]

1st Circuit court of appeals on Trump's attempt to deprive Americans of their birthright: bloody unlikely




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[Winehole23]

the question before SCOTUS



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[Winehole23]

re: the 14th amendment

some freed slaves were smuggled and not born in the US: the 14th amendment made clear they were US citizens, and anyone born within US territory of whatever parentage, except foreign diplomats and Native Nations. which had been the general custom before codification for all but slaves.

the 14th Amendment was neither colorblind nor xenophobic at its inception


putting a finer point on it, the 14th Amendment made smuggled slaves of foreign birth US citizens, and intentionally soanyone?

[Winehole23]

Political Forum (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=8)(2013 Viewing)
Post about politics, news, government, religion and business.

[Winehole23]

John Bingham, principal framer of the 14th Amendment -- birthright citizenship was the original intention



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[Winehole23]

Justice Story, 1830


"Nothing is better settled at the common law than the doctrine that the children even of aliens born in a country while the parents are resident there under the protection of the government and owing a temporary allegiance thereto are subjects by birth."

Inglis v. Sailor's Snug Harbor (U.S. 1830).

[Winehole23]

Andrew Torba, CEO of Gab

Vivek Ramaswamy was born in Cincinnati, Ohio


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[Winehole23]

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[Winehole23]

.

[Winehole23]

decision will be released on 4/1

contextually there were four votes for Donald Trump rewriting the 14th Amendment unilaterally

[Yonivore]

decision will be released on 4/1

contextually there were four votes for Donald Trump rewriting the 14th Amendment unilaterally
Oral Arguments are on April Fool's Day. Decision not expected before late June - early July.

[Winehole23]

Oral Arguments are on April Fool's Day. Decision not expected before late June - early July.that's right, thanks

[Yonivore]

that's right, thanks
You're welcome.

[Winehole23]

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In all social systems there must be a class to do the menial duties, to perform the drudgery of life. That is, a class requiring but a low order of intellect and but little skill. Its requisites are vigor, docility, fidelity. Such a class you must have, or you would not have that other class which leads progress, civilization, and refinement. It constitutes the very mud-sill of society and of political government; and you might as well attempt to build a house in the air, as to build either the one or the other, except on this mud-sill. Fortunately for the South, she found a race adapted to that purpose to her hand. A race inferior to her own, but eminently qualified in temper, in vigor, in docility, in capacity to stand the climate, to answer all her purposes. We use them for our purpose, and call them slaves. We found them slaves by the common “consent of mankind,” which, according to Cicero, “lex naturae est.”[9] (https://teachingamericanhistory.org/document/mud-sill-speech/#footnotes) The highest proof of what is nature’s law. We are old-fashioned at the South yet; slave is a word discarded now by “ears polite;” I will not characterize that class at the North by that term; but you have it; it is there; it is everywhere; it is eternal.https://teachingamericanhistory.org/document/mud-sill-speech/

h/t (https://bsky.app/profile/jamellebouie.net/post/3mdqglgtdrs2l), Jamelle Bouie

[Winehole23]

The senator from New York said yesterday that the whole world had abolished slavery. Aye, the name, but not the thing; all the powers of the earth cannot abolish that. God only can do it when he repeals the fiat, “the poor ye always have with you;”[10] (https://teachingamericanhistory.org/document/mud-sill-speech/#footnotes) for the man who lives by daily labor, and scarcely lives at that, and who has to put out his labor in the market, and take the best he can get for it; in short, your whole hireling class of manual laborers and “operatives,” as you call them, are essentially slaves. The difference between us is, that our slaves are hired for life and well compensated; there is no starvation, no begging, no want of employment among our people, and not too much employment either. Yours are hired by the day, not cared for, and scantily compensated, which may be proved in the most painful manner, at any hour in any street of your large towns. Why, you meet more beggars in one day, in any single street of the city of New York, than you would meet in a lifetime in the whole South. We do not think that whites should be slaves either by law or necessity. Our slaves are black, of another and inferior race. The status in which we have placed them is an elevation. They are elevated from the condition in which God first created them, by being made our slaves. None of that race on the whole face of the globe can be compared with the slaves of the South. They are happy, content, unaspiring, and utterly incapable, from intellectual weakness, ever to give us any trouble by their aspirations. Yours are white, of your own race; you are brothers of one blood. They are your equals in natural endowment of intellect, and they feel galled by their degradation. Our slaves do not vote. We give them no political power. Yours do vote, and, being the majority, they are the depositories of all your political power. If they knew the tremendous secret, that the ballot-box is stronger than “an army with banners,”[11] (https://teachingamericanhistory.org/document/mud-sill-speech/#footnotes) and could combine, where would you be? Your society would be reconstructed, your government overthrown, your property divided, not as they have mistakenly attempted to initiate such proceedings by meeting in parks, with arms in their hands, but by the quiet process of the ballot-box. You have been making war upon us to our very hearthstones. How would you like for us to send lecturers and agitators North, to teach these people this, to aid in combining, and to lead them? . . .

[Winehole23]

the same court that decided Plessy vs. Ferguson found no ambiguity in the law 128 years ago yesterday

the language of the 14th Amendment isn't ambiguous, that was by design


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[Winehole23]

I thought about posting this in the Trayvon Martin thread but this issue is way more live



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[ChumpDumper]

lol white people

[Winehole23]

lol white peoplenever got over the indignity of having a black president

[Winehole23]

Rand Paul wants to nuke the 14th Amendment

Rand is wrong about the original intent. Making former slaves who were smuggled into the US from foreign countries citizens was fully intended.

Making everyone (except the children of diplomats and "indians not taxed") born to foreigners in the US citizens was also originally intended.


“Under current interpretations of American law, anyone born on American soil automatically becomes a U.S. citizen, regardless of whether the parent was here legally or not,” Paul wrote in a lengthy post on X. “This is wrong and not at all the intent of those who wrote the 14th Amendment.”


https://local12.com/news/nation-world/sen-rand-paul-introduces-constitutional-amendment-to-end-birthright-citizenship-supreme-court-14th-amendment

[Winehole23]

this is from the congressional debate on the 14th amendment

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[Winehole23]

The quotes are from John Bingham, principal framer of the 14th Amendment -- birthright citizenship was without any doubt the original intention


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[Winehole23]

The original creedal liberalism of the United States invoked natural rights and the civil war vindicated them

Any legalistic revocation of those rights is a usurpation of the founding and the second founding and is a perfidious coup

[Winehole23]

Justice Story, 1830


"Nothing is better settled at the common law than the doctrine that the children even of aliens born in a country while the parents are resident there under the protection of the government and owing a temporary allegiance thereto are subjects by birth."

Inglis v. Sailor's Snug Harbor (U.S. 1830).

[Winehole23]

admit it Republicans, y'all are running the Civil War in reverse