Harrison Barnes - WC Player of the week

[exstatic]

tdWtYQlZtWU

[John B]

Let’s go Unc!

I think he’s really figured his fit with Wemby. He’s cutting, shooting 3’s and willing to take that shot. I’ve mentioned before that he’d probably won’t mind going to the bench when the full crew is healthy. But I’m very glad with the current SL right now, and maybe Vassell and Sochan would need to earn their SL back. Because CP3, Champ, Castle, Barnes and Wemby line-up seems very balanced.

[Mugen]

:lol That's awesome tbh

[exstatic]

We
Got
Paid
To
Take
Him

:rollin

[spurraider21]

:lol kings

[RC_Drunkford]

wow, I didn't see that one coming :lol Well deserved

[Mal]

I would never ever think this could happen at the time of the trade.

[spurraider21]

1861152749024419853

[RC_Drunkford]

one thing you gotta give Brian Wright, he knows how to pull off a heist

[John B]

1861152749024419853

Oh my god :lol

[Fireball]

That is a surprise :lol and well done KJ ...

[spurraider21]

love how he has the old man jogging form with the thumbs up at all times

[heyheymymy]

god damn HB is one bad motherfucker

teams wasted him lol SAC lol DAL

love that three point shot release with the almost head on fling motion

So damn proud of Harrison Barnes

[heyheymymy]

3 straight 20+ point games

Uncle Long Dick over here

[Joseph Kony]

don't think any of us had this on our bingo cards :lol

congrats HB, well deserved :toast

[timtonymanu]

love how he has the old man jogging form with the thumbs up at all times

Remember when you said you thought he would be DeMarre Carroll. Good times. :lol :tu

[exstatic]

Probably my favorite post Big Three era vet acquisition, and he didn’t cost anything.

[timtonymanu]

:lol kings

Replacing him with Demar and his empty stats :lol

[spurraider21]

Remember when you said you thought he would be DeMarre Carroll. Good times. :lol :tu
i do indeed. glad to be wrong about that one. guess he just took preseason lightly :lol

[exstatic]

Replacing him with Demar and his empty stats :lol

HB is just killing it. Shooting line of 54/44/78 with an eFG% of 62 and a TS% of 66.

[baseline bum]

Congrats Unc!

[timtonymanu]

Oh my god :lol

Keldon is a helluva teammate. I just wish that translated onto the court on a consistent basis.

[MannyIsGod]

LOL WHAT

[KobesAchilles]

How many of those does Sochan have again? Keep unc the starter!

[Fizziksman]

not bad for a salary dump

[jjspur]

We got Barnes and a 2031 pick swap for basically nothing more than paying his salary. Wow, it seems like someone in our front office did their homework and someone in Sacramento got a slap across the head. Good job HB.

[r0drig0lac]

wow

[tim_duncan_fan]

Nice, HB!

[LeBowen]

I'll be shameless and keep claiming I was the first one who mentioned him as a trade target on this forum. I think it was in April on May.
A lot of Spurs fans didn't think he'd actually contribute, I still stand by my Finley 2.0 take.
He's a model professional and I expect him to finish his career with the Spurs. Will be 34 when his current contract end, will probably sign another chep 3 year deal and be the team's veteran when we start contending.

[DPG21920]

I would have lost all of my money if anyone offered me that bet before the season lmao - truly wild but he has been playing great. Him and CP have so far impacted winning MUCH more than I thought possible.

I don’t know if their legs will last an entire season like this and of course theres ups and downs but I was flat out wrong on how many wins these guys would help with. Spurs would no doubt be up shits creek without them and are only a winning team due to their contributions.

Can’t wait to see Wemby/Castle/Vassell/Sochan healthy with these guys.

[exstatic]

I would have lost all of my money if anyone offered me that bet before the season lmao - truly wild but he has been playing great. Him and CP have so far impacted winning MUCH more than I thought possible.

I don’t know if their legs will last an entire season like this and of course theres ups and downs but I was flat out wrong on how many wins these guys would help with. Spurs would no doubt be up shits creek without them and are only a winning team due to their contributions.

Can’t wait to see Wemby/Castle/Vassell/Sochan healthy with these guys.

In reality, CP and Barnes are two different NBA generations. Barnes, at 32, should hold up just fine. He’s played 82 games each of the last two seasons.

[DPG21920]

In reality, CP and Barnes are two different NBA generations. Barnes, at 32, should hold up just fine. He’s played 82 games each of the last two seasons.

True - but in terms of what they look like on court last season?

[Bill_Brasky]

I really was just hoping for Barnes to be a good example of how a solid veteran NBA player handles his business, maybe have a good game here and there, I didn't realize he'd be balling this hard tbh.

[exstatic]

True - but in terms of what they look like on court last season?

Barnes has shot over 60 TS% the last four seasons. He’s an elite role player, and durable to boot.

People see him as a disappointment as a #7 pick, because he never became a star, but he’s a steady, brutally efficient, low drama player that any coach would love to have on his roster.

[LeBowen]

True - but in terms of what they look like on court last season?

It wasn't Barnes' fault his role got reduced with the Kings.
Not fair to rate a player based on his performance with a questionable organization.
He's obviously not an all-star level player, but he's as consistent as he gets when he actually has the opportunity to be involved.

I'd say the biggest issue for him is that he doesn't ever impose himself. In most of our losses he was a non-factor simply because he never got the ball and he's not the player who's going to demand it.
He shoots open shots, has solid off-ball movement, makes good cuts and punishes mismatches inside when he's got a guard on him.
He won't demand the ball or be the playmaker other than making obvious passes. He's your traditional wing that does a bit of everything on offense.

My biggest criticism in most of our losses was that he simply didn't get the ball at all.
1-4 when Barnes takes 5 or less shots.
5-2 when he takes between 6 and 9.
3-2 when he takes 10 to 13. In those losses he was 7/12 and 7/10.

[DPG21920]

Yall act like rating a player on what happened vs grading them on some curve is hating on them :lol Theres a reason Kings gave up a pick to get off him and it wasn’t because he was playing amazing lol

It’s ok - the BIGGER POINT is simply that these guys were low risk and are proving to be much higher reward than I (maybe you all thought they would add 20 wins, but I didnt) thought

[exstatic]

Yall act like rating a player on what happened vs grading them on some curve is hating on them :lol Theres a reason Kings gave up a pick to get off him and it wasn’t because he was playing amazing lol

It’s ok - the BIGGER POINT is simply that these guys were low risk and are proving to be much higher reward than I (maybe you all thought they would add 20 wins, but I didnt) thought

They gave up a pick to move him because they’re stupid and wanted cap room for a higher usage less efficient player in DeRozan, not because he was bad. I would bet that Mike Brown was upset.

[LeBowen]

They gave up a pick to move him because they’re stupid and wanted cap room for a higher usage less efficient player in DeRozan, not because he was bad. I would bet that Mike Brown was upset.

Imagine thinking NBA front offices make good decisions while we have like a dozen franchises that ruined many chances to become legit contender by moves that even a casual fan wouldn't have made because they were obvious mistakes.

Kings had three playmakers one way or another (Fox, Sabonis, Monk), awful defense and zero really good shooters.
What do they do? Give away an unprotected swap to get rid of a 32 year old wing who's their most consistent shooter and solid enough defender to sign a 35 year old with no 3pt range and horrible defense.

[John B]

We got Barnes and a 2031 pick swap for basically nothing more than paying his salary. Wow, it seems like someone in our front office did their homework and someone in Sacramento got a slap across the head. Good job HB.

So the Kings can sign Derozan to a 3 year deal? That makes me appreciate Wright :lol

[Dejounte]

Over 30 year old players being useful on a youthful team wow but my precious timeline tho

[LeBowen]

So the Kings can sign Derozan to a 3 year deal? That makes me appreciate Wright :lol

Things are going to get really ugly in Sacramento.
As of now salary cap for 2026-27 season is projected to be at $170M.
They'll have $100M committed to Sabonis, DDR, Monk and two rookies.
$70M to fill 11 roster spots with Fox probably not accepting anything less than a max.
Keegan Murray and Keon Ellis will also be free agents.

Whoever thought getting DDR was a good idea should be banned from the league, tbh.

[exstatic]

Imagine thinking NBA front offices make good decisions while we have like a dozen franchises that ruined many chances to become legit contender by moves that even a casual fan wouldn't have made because they were obvious mistakes.

Kings had three playmakers one way or another (Fox, Sabonis, Monk), awful defense and zero really good shooters.
What do they do? Give away an unprotected swap to get rid of a 32 year old wing who's their most consistent shooter and solid enough defender to sign a 35 year old with no 3pt range and horrible defense.

There’s a reason they missed the playoffs for 17 consecutive years. They can’t seem to get out of their own way. They went from an ownership awful set of brothers, to an Indian billionaire who thinks they should run plays from his daughter’s bball league.

The only thing I will concede is that his defense has slipped a bit, but I don’t care about paying Brooklyn’s price for Cam Johnson any more. HB is smoking hot from downtown.

[spurraider21]

Over 30 year old players being useful on a youthful team wow but my precious timeline tho
well its one thing to empty the coffers to bring in a vet. its another thing to get paid to bring one aboard :lol

[Mr. Body]

You got to think team front offices will start calling.

[LeBowen]

You got to think team front offices will start calling.

And we'll be happy to accept any offers for Zach, Keldon, Branham and Wesley. Even Tre if he isn't interested in staying.

[DPG21920]

And we'll be happy to accept any offers for Zach, Keldon, Branham and Wesley. Even Tre if he isn't interested in staying.

You can never make a profit if you dont sell high. If Barnes and CP are playing amazing and have worked their value up to where teams are offering you firsts for them, you take it.

[Dejounte]

How many fucking late 1sts do we need

[scott]

Maybe we got our modern day version of Terry Cummings after all...

[scott]

How many fucking late 1sts do we need

If you have a chance to trade away your own playoff push to get another shot at drafting Malaki Branham, you have to do it.

[Mr. Body]

Legit question whether I would trade HB this season. Almost think he and CP for the full season is invaluable. Depends on whether they're poking toward a play-in spot.

This summer, I'd be open, as by then you'd hope to fill in around him with existing players and we don't need him long term at 33 yo. During the season, I might want a Jonathan Kuminga-ish younger player. Not him, because he wants to be paid, but a younger long-term piece.

[DPG21920]

Sure, you dont give them away and theres some context of where SA is sitting come deadline in playoff race, but CP is on a one year deal. You either do it now or lose it. Now, of course flip side is also true; teams aren’t going to maximize every contract in a trade etc…sometimes, its ok to just let a player play out his deal and they move on. Not going to moneyball every move.

[Maddog]

We got Barnes and a 2031 pick swap for basically nothing more than paying his salary. Wow, it seems like someone in our front office did their homework and someone in Sacramento got a slap across the head. Good job HB.

How much have the Spurs gotten out of teams wanting DDR?

[spurraider21]

Legit question whether I would trade HB this season. Almost think he and CP for the full season is invaluable. Depends on whether they're poking toward a play-in spot.

This summer, I'd be open, as by then you'd hope to fill in around him with existing players and we don't need him long term at 33 yo. During the season, I might want a Jonathan Kuminga-ish younger player. Not him, because he wants to be paid, but a younger long-term piece.
nah, if the team looks primed to make a playoff/play-in run, theres no shot you trade him midseason. he's too valuable, not just for the immediate production, but everything else he provides. and if the team manages to get even into the play-in, that experience alone is worth something. you can entertain moving him in the offseason as an expiring contract, but i dont see why you'd be rushing to do that unless its part of a deal for a star caliber player

[spurraider21]

How much have the Spurs gotten out of teams wanting DDR?
Chicago gave us

- a first round pick (protected, still owed)
- Thad Young (who himself was flipped for us to move up from the second round to the #20 pick in the 2022 draft which wound up as... Malaki Branham)
- 2 second rounders (one was used to draft kennedy chandler then flipped, the other is coming this year)

and then sacto gave us

- harrison barnes
- 2031 unprotected swap
- 2031 second round pick

[DJR210]

All I hope is when that fucking weak ass bum Devin comes back they keep his shitty ass on the bench

[scott]

Chicago gave us

- a first round pick (protected, still owed)
- Thad Young (who himself was flipped for us to move up from the second round to the #20 pick in the 2022 draft which wound up as... Malaki Branham)
- 2 second rounders (one was used to draft kennedy chandler then flipped, the other is coming this year)

and then sacto gave us

- harrison barnes
- 2031 unprotected swap
- 2031 second round pick

I believe we sent the 2025 TOR second rounder to DAL in the Reggie Bullock/2030 FRP Swap Deal.

Just checked, and indeed... this pick came to us, then went to DAL, and now is with DET after the Grimes/THJ trade

[cutewizard]

Congratulations HB!

Well deserved!

[100%duncan]

If you have a chance to trade away your own playoff push to get another shot at drafting Malaki Branham, you have to do it.

:lmao

The .5% chance of getting a Tony Parker late in the first really turns a lot of people on nowadays. Late FRPs and SRPs are getting overrated like crazy.

[scott]

1861152749024419853

You are 100% correct, Dejounte, we are not trading Keldon due to locker room presence value alone.

[Dejounte]

You are 100% correct, Dejounte (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=51342), we are not trading Keldon due to locker room presence value alone.

anyone who even dares to replicate what he does after he’s traded would be considered a fake. I can see a trade happen in the offseason, but not during the season. The Spurs are known for not doing in-season trades, and maybe it’s because they value the formed relationships and not wanting to disrupt chemistry is the reason why.

[Mr. Body]

IMO Keldon isn't going anywhere. He's good coming off the bench. He doesn't have to end games. He provides a tough burst off the bench that's still valuable and he's huge to team culture. I don't see any reason to move him right now.

As for CP, I kinda think if he lasts the entire year then he's going to sign for another one.

[couchman]

This is wild considering how washed he looked in the pre-season.
I guess HB knew better than to blow his load when it didn't matter.
Wemby, Unc, Champegnie, Castle, and the other Unc. What a lineup!

[spurraider21]

IMO Keldon isn't going anywhere. He's good coming off the bench. He doesn't have to end games. He provides a tough burst off the bench that's still valuable and he's huge to team culture. I don't see any reason to move him right now.

As for CP, I kinda think if he lasts the entire year then he's going to sign for another one.
if they make the playoffs/play-in i see this as well

[jjspur]

Chicago gave us

- a first round pick (protected, still owed)
- Thad Young (who himself was flipped for us to move up from the second round to the #20 pick in the 2022 draft which wound up as... Malaki Branham)
- 2 second rounders (one was used to draft kennedy chandler then flipped, the other is coming this year)

and then sacto gave us

- harrison barnes
- 2031 unprotected swap
- 2031 second round pick

All that and then Barnes gets player of the week. HB is all that and a bag of HEB chips. What has DeRozen done lately ?

[Knoxxx]

The additions of Barnes, Paul, Castle are getting noticed:

https://lastwordonsports.com/basketball/2024/11/25/spurs-additions-paul-castle-barnes/

The Wemby-Castle-Barnes-Paul-Champagnie lineup has the second best plus/minus of any starting 5 in the NBA.

[spurraider21]

The additions of Barnes, Paul, Castle are getting noticed:

https://lastwordonsports.com/basketball/2024/11/25/spurs-additions-paul-castle-barnes/

The Wemby-Castle-Barnes-Paul-Champagnie lineup has the second best plus/minus of any starting 5 in the NBA.
they're second in total +/- which is the stat being referenced there

but on a per possession basis (net rating), they are #1

the boston starting lineup is #4 in net rating but has way more minutes together, so their aggregate +/- is higher

[exstatic]

All that and then Barnes gets player of the week. HB is all that and a bag of HEB chips. What has DeRozen done lately ?

Probably scored 30 points on 28 shots, or some shit like that.

[PhantomDashCam]

You are 100% correct, Dejounte (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=51342), we are not trading Keldon due to locker room presence value alone.

Nah, if you replace KJ saying "Give it up for a sec. HB Western Conf. Player of the week" with "I've been traded to the Indiana Pacers" the rest of the video plays out the same way :smokin

[scott]

Nah, if you replace KJ saying "Give it up for a sec. HB Western Conf. Player of the week" with "I've been traded to the Indiana Pacers" the rest of the video plays out the same way :smokin

:lol that's hilarious

[CGD]

You can never make a profit if you dont sell high. If Barnes and CP are playing amazing and have worked their value up to where teams are offering you firsts for them, you take it.

Definitely think Pop-CP3 cut a deal before signing agreeing to move Chris at the deadline if a good situation presents itself. Barnes, on the other hand, I can see here another 3-4 years. He still is just 32 and it seems like Pop just loves him.

[DPG21920]

Definitely think Pop-CP3 cut a deal before signing agreeing to move Chris at the deadline if a good situation presents itself. Barnes, on the other hand, I can see here another 3-4 years. He still is just 32 and it seems like Pop just loves him.

Sure - Im not saying its a priority; Im saying if someone comes knocking and offers you something of real value for players that aren’t exactly expected to be on your timeline, you have to look at it.

[CGD]

All that and then Barnes gets player of the week. HB is all that and a bag of HEB chips. What has DeRozen done lately ?

Let’s chill some until the picks turn into players. I mean, one of the “prizes” was Malaki Branham…

[SouthernFried]

Him and CP are making the Spurs watchable again.

[paperboy77]

That's just awesome.

[Chinook]

I believe we sent the 2025 TOR second rounder to DAL in the Reggie Bullock/2030 FRP Swap Deal.

Just checked, and indeed... this pick came to us, then went to DAL, and now is with DET after the Grimes/THJ trade

I though TOR25-2 was from the Poeltl trade (a first and two seconds), and CHI25-2 is the pick the Bulls gave to the Spurs. The Spurs still have that pick, though it would go to SAC if the Bulls get a top-five record this year.

[TheBallsbreakers]

Incredible. Congrats Harrison!

[GAustex]

A very nice story and outcome

[Vince Carter's ankle]

anyone who even dares to replicate what he does after he’s traded would be considered a fake. I can see a trade happen in the offseason, but not during the season. The Spurs are known for not doing in-season trades, and maybe it’s because they value the formed relationships and not wanting to disrupt chemistry is the reason why.
January 19, 2022: As part of a 3-team trade, the San Antonio Spurs (https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2022.html) traded Bryn Forbes (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/f/forbebr01.html) to the Denver Nuggets (https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/DEN/2022.html); the Boston Celtics (https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/BOS/2022.html) traded Juan Hernangomez (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hernaju01.html) and cash to the San Antonio Spurs (https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2022.html); the Denver Nuggets (https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/DEN/2022.html) traded Bol Bol (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bolbo01.html) and PJ Dozier (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/doziepj01.html) to the Boston Celtics (https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/BOS/2022.html); and the Denver Nuggets (https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/DEN/2022.html) traded cash and a 2028 2nd round draft pick to the San Antonio Spurs (https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2022.html). Boston also received a trade exception 2028 2nd-rd pick is DEN own
February 9, 2022: As part of a 3-team trade, the San Antonio Spurs (https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2022.html) traded Juan Hernangomez (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hernaju01.html) to the Utah Jazz (https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/UTA/2022.html); the Portland Trail Blazers (https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/POR/2022.html) traded Tomas Satoransky (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/satorto01.html) to the San Antonio Spurs (https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2022.html); the Portland Trail Blazers (https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/POR/2022.html) traded Nickeil Alexander-Walker (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/alexani01.html) to the Utah Jazz (https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/UTA/2022.html); the Utah Jazz (https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/UTA/2022.html) traded Elijah Hughes (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hugheel01.html), Joe Ingles (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/i/inglejo01.html) and a 2022 2nd round draft pick (Jabari Walker (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/walkeja01.html) was later selected) to the Portland Trail Blazers (https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/POR/2022.html); and the Utah Jazz (https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/UTA/2022.html) traded a 2027 2nd round draft pick to the San Antonio Spurs (https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2022.html). Utah also received trade exceptions 2027 2nd-rd pick is least favorable least favorable from HOU, IND, MIA or OKC Portland also received a trade exception 2022 2nd-rd pick is MEM own
February 10, 2022: Traded Derrick White (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/whitede01.html) to the Boston Celtics (https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/BOS/2022.html) for Romeo Langford (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/langfro01.html), Josh Richardson (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/richajo01.html), a 2022 1st round draft pick (Blake Wesley (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/weslebl01.html) was later selected) and a 2028 1st round draft pick. Boston also received a trade exception 2022 1st-rd pick is BOS own and is top-4 protected 2028 1st-rd pick is a right to swap
February 10, 2022: Traded Drew Eubanks (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/e/eubandr01.html), Thaddeus Young (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/y/youngth01.html) and a 2022 2nd round draft pick (Christian Koloko (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/k/kolokch01.html) was later selected) to the Toronto Raptors (https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/TOR/2022.html) for Goran Dragic (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/dragigo01.html) and a 2022 1st round draft pick (Malaki Branham (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/branhma01.html) was later selected). Toronto also received a trade exception 2022 2nd-rd pick is DET own 2022 1st-rd pick is top-14 protected
February 9, 2023: Traded Josh Richardson (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/richajo01.html) to the New Orleans Pelicans (https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/NOP/2023.html) for Devonte' Graham (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/grahade01.html), a 2024 2nd round draft pick (Adem Bona (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bonaad01.html) was later selected), a 2026 2nd round draft pick, a 2028 2nd round draft pick and a 2029 2nd round draft pick. 2024 2nd-rd pick is more favorable 2026 2nd-rd pick is least favorable 2028 2nd-rd pick is NOP own 2029 2nd-rd pick is NOP own
February 9, 2023: Traded Jakob Poeltl (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/poeltja01.html) to the Toronto Raptors (https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/TOR/2023.html) for Khem Birch (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/birchkh01.html), a 2023 2nd round draft pick (Sidy Cissoko (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/cissosi01.html) was later selected), a 2024 1st round draft pick (Rob Dillingham (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/dilliro01.html) was later selected) and a 2025 2nd round draft pick. 2023 2nd-rd pick was TOR own conditional 2024 1st-rd pick is TOR own 2025 2nd-rd pick is TOR own
February 8, 2024: As part of a 3-team trade, the San Antonio Spurs (https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2024.html) traded Doug McDermott (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/mcderdo01.html) to the Indiana Pacers (https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/IND/2024.html); the Indiana Pacers (https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/IND/2024.html) traded Buddy Hield (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hieldbu01.html) to the Philadelphia 76ers (https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/PHI/2024.html); the Philadelphia 76ers (https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/PHI/2024.html) traded Furkan Korkmaz (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/k/korkmfu01.html), cash, a 2024 2nd round draft pick (Juan Nunez (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/n/nunezju01.html) was later selected) and a 2029 2nd round draft pick to the Indiana Pacers (https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/IND/2024.html); and the Philadelphia 76ers (https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/PHI/2024.html) traded Marcus Morris (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/morrima03.html), cash and a 2029 2nd round draft pick to the San Antonio Spurs (https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2024.html). 2029 2nd-rd pick is LAC own 2024 2nd-rd pick is more favorable 2029 2nd-rd pick is POR own Indiana also received a trade exception

[scott]

I though TOR25-2 was from the Poeltl trade (a first and two seconds), and CHI25-2 is the pick the Bulls gave to the Spurs. The Spurs still have that pick, though it would go to SAC if the Bulls get a top-five record this year.

Indeed - I got confused by the preceding line which mentioned TOR. We have that CHI SRP, but no additional SRPs this year (yet)

[quentin_compson]

Whenever I watched the Kings last season, Harrison Barnes looked like he might have lost a step. But he has been balling for the Spurs recently - and him being a good veteran presence and leader was never in doubt, of course.

[Dejounte]

Vince (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=11487) i didn’t forget those trades. McDermott one’s negligible and akin to waiving a player

2022 and 2023 were in season trades with a clear goal in mind. When foundation is set and the team is competing, there are hardly any trades.

We aren’t pretending they don’t have this reputation, are we? It’s literally what the media spouts every February.

[RC_Drunkford]

I actually think we should keep both around for next season. Barnes could even sign an extension as a long term vet and CP3 can still play another year.

[vy65]

The suggestion of trading Unc for another middling FRP, packing in possibly valuable playoff/playin experience, and staring at another non-NBA quality Branham-esque player is fucking lunacy. If anything, I’d hope that the team would start aggressively looking at bringing in another piece if, after the next 10-15 games, they’re looking like a legit 8-11 seed team. I’d prefer bringing in another vet sooner rather than later to get a jump start on the acclimation process.

[Dejounte]

The suggestion of trading Unc for another middling FRP, packing in possibly valuable playoff/playin experience, and staring at another non-NBA quality Branham-esque player is fucking lunacy. If anything, I’d hope that the team would start aggressively looking at bringing in another piece if, after the next 10-15 games, they’re looking like a legit 8-11 seed team. I’d prefer bringing in another vet sooner rather than later to get a jump start on the acclimation process.

It’s coming from the same group who thinks any trade that’s not for a superstar is a bad one. I’m not even sure they’d trade for a superstar if it came down to it. Over 27? Too old. Making over $15 mil a year? Too much. Low counting stats (with small sample size)? Not good enough. These guys are “homegrown Spur” purists, rigid in their thinking, thinks their archaic (and incorrect) view of how the Spurs did things decades ago is the only way possible. Little do they know that the Spurs have been preaching the philosophy of being able to adapt and pivot when the situation calls for it. The Spurs are adapting to modern times on how to win in this era.

[vy65]

It’s coming from the same group who thinks any trade that’s not for a superstar is a bad one. I’m not even sure they’d trade for a superstar if it came down to it. Over 27? Too old. Making over $15 mil a year? Too much. Low counting stats (with small sample size)? Not good enough. These guys are “homegrown Spur” purists, rigid in their thinking, thinks their archaic (and incorrect) view of how the Spurs did things decades ago is the only way possible. Little do they know that the Spurs have been preaching the philosophy of being able to adapt and pivot when the situation calls for it. The Spurs are adapting to modern times on how to win in this era.

Spot on. The only thing I’d add is that we have a good data set showing how wrong this thinking is. Two “middling” vets have impacted the win total - I think we hit nine wins last season in early Feb. The product on the floor clearly passes the eye test compared to last year.

[buttsR4rebounding]

Things are going to get really ugly in Sacramento.
As of now salary cap for 2026-27 season is projected to be at $170M.
They'll have $100M committed to Sabonis, DDR, Monk and two rookies.
$70M to fill 11 roster spots with Fox probably not accepting anything less than a max.
Keegan Murray and Keon Ellis will also be free agents.

Whoever thought getting DDR was a good idea should be banned from the league, tbh.

Not that they can't turn it around, but after 18 games they were 11-7 last year, this year 8-10. We'll see how they do in the next dozen games. They were 18-12 last year after 30 games. So far DD has only gotten them to the next lower level...

[LeBowen]

Not that they can't turn it around, but after 18 games they were 11-7 last year, this year 8-10. We'll see how they do in the next dozen games. They were 18-12 last year after 30 games. So far DD has only gotten them to the next lower level...

For me it's about the (dis)functionality of the team, as I said in the previous post.
Fox, DDR, Sabonis need the ball and aren't good 3pt shooters. Fox is decent on defense, but other two are atrocious.
They also have another scorer in Monk, with Keegan Murray being their only off-ball core player, but he's also a subpar shooter.
Huerter completely fell off for some reason, but even if he was shooting it like he used to, he's another awful defender.
Trey Lyles getting 20mpg in 2024 says enough about that roster.

Devin Carter was supposed to be the point of attack defender, but he got injured.

If Fox actually wants to compete in his prime, he won't accept an extension from them. There will be plenty of suitors for him.

[exstatic]

Not that they can't turn it around, but after 18 games they were 11-7 last year, this year 8-10. We'll see how they do in the next dozen games. They were 18-12 last year after 30 games. So far DD has only gotten them to the next lower level...

Last year, they drafted #13, which is a lottery pick. They surprised and outscored a number of teams two years ago on the way to the #2 seed, but even then, they got bounced in the first round. The team is built for fun and entertainment, not winning.

[ambchang]

Got it all wrong about him and glad to be. I thought he was done and will fall further off the cliff this year, didn't mind it because we got a swap out of it, but man, he is balling. 22 points on 8 shots was just insane.

[jjspur]

Probably scored 30 points on 28 shots, or some shit like that.

Not exactly efficient, but the raptors, spurs and bulls probably knew that already.

[TekXX]

Does he go back to being invisible when Sochan and Vassell come back?

[scott]

The suggestion of trading Unc for another middling FRP, packing in possibly valuable playoff/playin experience, and staring at another non-NBA quality Branham-esque player is fucking lunacy. If anything, I’d hope that the team would start aggressively looking at bringing in another piece if, after the next 10-15 games, they’re looking like a legit 8-11 seed team. I’d prefer bringing in another vet sooner rather than later to get a jump start on the acclimation process.


It’s coming from the same group who thinks any trade that’s not for a superstar is a bad one. I’m not even sure they’d trade for a superstar if it came down to it. Over 27? Too old. Making over $15 mil a year? Too much. Low counting stats (with small sample size)? Not good enough. These guys are “homegrown Spur” purists, rigid in their thinking, thinks their archaic (and incorrect) view of how the Spurs did things decades ago is the only way possible. Little do they know that the Spurs have been preaching the philosophy of being able to adapt and pivot when the situation calls for it. The Spurs are adapting to modern times on how to win in this era.


Spot on. The only thing I’d add is that we have a good data set showing how wrong this thinking is. Two “middling” vets have impacted the win total - I think we hit nine wins last season in early Feb. The product on the floor clearly passes the eye test compared to last year.

There is also a mindset of "selling high" is always a winning move, like we're trading BitCoin or something and the objective is to have the largest account balance. Folks forget that the objective is to win basketball games and (eventually) playoff games and (eventually) championships. That doesn't get done by accumulating the largest amount of trade wins. Last I checked they don't hand out a trophy for that.

[Mr. Body]

I wouldn't trade Barnes but would answer phone calls and only trade him with his approval.

If he is traded, unlikely, then I would want a younger, up-and-coming player or two rather than draft assets.

If he is traded for draft assets, then imo the goal should be to chip those together for an existing players like currency.

Anyway, it's phenomenal that this conversation can even be had.

[spurraider21]

I wouldn't trade Barnes but would answer phone calls and only trade him with his approval.

If he is traded, unlikely, then I would want a younger, up-and-coming player or two rather than draft assets.

If he is traded for draft assets, then imo the goal should be to chip those together for an existing players like currency.

Anyway, it's phenomenal that this conversation can even be had.
he waived his trade kicker to be here, his impact on the floor is notable, and his general impact on the team's attitude and moral is evident. i dont see many situations where he'd have more value than for the spurs. a "win now" team doesnt need Harrison Barnes' leadership, they already have that in place. a bad team with compelling assets wont want to pay to add harrison barnes, or they'd have done that during the offseason. the spurs are in the sweet spot of a very young, aspiring play-in team where he's the best of both worlds. same with paul.

[spurraider21]

The suggestion of trading Unc for another middling FRP, packing in possibly valuable playoff/playin experience, and staring at another non-NBA quality Branham-esque player is fucking lunacy. If anything, I’d hope that the team would start aggressively looking at bringing in another piece if, after the next 10-15 games, they’re looking like a legit 8-11 seed team. I’d prefer bringing in another vet sooner rather than later to get a jump start on the acclimation process.
i think you were, by a significant margin, the person most opposed to the Barnes acquisition at the time :lol... good to see you come around

[Mr. Body]

he waived his trade kicker to be here, his impact on the floor is notable, and his general impact on the team's attitude and moral is evident. i dont see many situations where he'd have more value than for the spurs. a "win now" team doesnt need Harrison Barnes' leadership, they already have that in place. a bad team with compelling assets wont want to pay to add harrison barnes, or they'd have done that during the offseason. the spurs are in the sweet spot of a very young, aspiring play-in team where he's the best of both worlds. same with paul.

I agree in general, but think a team like the Bucks - disregarding what assets they have - could definitely use a hyper-efficient plug-in pro. Even the Warriors. I think they would take him in a second. To me the calculus is 1) whether that's what he wants, 2) whether the Spurs continue to trend toward a play-in/play-off situation, 3) the return value makes it worth it.

It's an unexpected situation and may wane as he reverts to more of a generally good veteran player. But he's on a good contract with one year left. If he's still producing, they'll definitely get calls.

[Seventyniner]

BitCoin

Are you Victor's cousin or something?

https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/ok_okay_ok_2x.png

[scott]

Are you Victor's cousin or something?

https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/ok_okay_ok_2x.png

Somewhere between "alien" and "Kind of old" sounds about right for me

[Mal]

I wouldnt trade him, because you wont get enough to make worth it, bad publicity among players. Barnes waived trade kicker, meaning he made some sacrfices to go to Spurs and he is playing good basketball. Small market teams cannot piss off players.

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4DDm6mhlOo

[vy65]

i think you were, by a significant margin, the person most opposed to the Barnes acquisition at the time :lol... good to see you come around

I mean, his game is as aesthetically pleasing as the overweight dude at the Y who consistently jacks up 3’s. But I’m going to happily eat crow given the results this guy is helping deliver.