CEO of United Heathcare's insurance division shot and killed

[baseline bum]

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/unitedhealthcare-ceo-fatally-shot-ny-post-reports-2024-12-04/

UnitedHealthcare executive fatally shot in Manhattan, reports say
By Amina Niasse and Leroy Leo
December 4, 2024 9:25 AM CSTUpdated 17 min ago


Dec 4 (Reuters) - Brian Thompson, the CEO of UnitedHealth's insurance unit, was fatally shot in the chest on Wednesday morning outside the Hilton hotel in midtown Manhattan, several media outlets reported, citing police officials.

The New York Police Department said a man was shot in front of the Hilton's address around 6:40 a.m. ET (1140 GMT) and was pronounced dead at a nearby hospital, but did not confirm the victim's identity.

Investigators told CNN that the gunman was waiting in the area for some time before Thompson's arrival, and the New York Times reported that police view the attack as targeted.

Police were still searching for the suspect, who fled on foot wearing a black face mask and a gray backpack, the Times reported.
UnitedHealth Group was hosting a scheduled investor event at the Hilton on Wednesday, but Chief Executive Andrew Witty took the stage about one hour after its start to announce it was cancelling the remainder of the program.

"We're dealing with a very serious medical situation with one of our team members, and as a result, I'm afraid we're going to have to bring to a close the event today," UnitedHealth CEO Andrew Witty said.

UnitedHealth did not respond to a request for comment.

Thompson was named UnitedHealthcare CEO in April 2021 after working at the company since 2004 in several departments, according to the company's web site.

[Spurs Homer]

Not getting my hopes up…but if this was the start of a ton of billionaires meeting the same fate…this country might still have a chance…

except…

the next of kin to billionaires are probably kunts also

[Blake]

If it had been in Texas there surely would have been a good guy with a gun to thwart the shooter

[Millennial_Messiah]

Good riddance.

Dirty, greedy insurance companies and big pharma have it coming. They've screwed over the masses for far, far too long with their profiteering. Greedy, filthy billionaire executives profiteering off the health and sickness of fellow citizens and people, are scumbag slimeball white-collar thugs that should not be allowed to exist. Too big to fail, is too big to exist.

It is time to revolutionize the cause against oligarchical crapitalist healthcare and make America healthy again. A half-century ago, the USA led the world in global life expectancy; today, America sits at a very lowly #49, on the verge of falling out of the top quartile, which is downright embarrassing for the "tOp EcOnOmY iN ThE wOrLd".

Hence..... good riddance.



If it had been in Texas there surely would have been a good guy with a gun to thwart the shooter
In this case, the good guy with the gun was the shooter. Good on him for eliminating an evil termite :toast hopefully the greedy dead scumbag's assets get liquidated and seized by the government and we immediately start paying off all of the national debt with this dirty money. It's time for a large-scale seizure of big corp assets & greedy money.


Not getting my hopes up…but if this was the start of a ton of billionaires meeting the same fate…this country might still have a chance…

except…

the next of kin to billionaires are probably kunts also
Hopefully the U.S. seizes 100% of the assets and thus the "next of kin" doesn't see a nary penny. That's how this should work.

[Leetonidas]

Suddenly Andy cares about "greedy filthy billionaires" :lol

[baseline bum]

If it had been in Texas there surely would have been a good guy with a gun to thwart the shooter

What if the shooter was the good guy with the gun? That CEO had quite a body count on him.

[ChumpDumper]

Good riddance.

Dirty, greedy insurance companies and big pharma have it coming. They've screwed over the masses for far, far too long with their profiteering. Greedy, filthy billionaire executives profiteering off the health and sickness of fellow citizens and people, are scumbag slimeball white-collar thugs that should not be allowed to exist. Too big to fail, is too big to exist.

It is time to revolutionize the cause against oligarchical crapitalist healthcare and make America healthy again. A half-century ago, the USA led the world in global life expectancy; today, America sits at a very lowly #49, on the verge of falling out of the top quartile, which is downright embarrassing for the "tOp EcOnOmY iN ThE wOrLd".

Hence..... good riddance.



In this case, the good guy with the gun was the shooter. Good on him for eliminating an evil termite :toast hopefully the greedy dead scumbag's assets get liquidated and seized by the government and we immediately start paying off all of the national debt with this dirty money. It's time for a large-scale seizure of big corp assets & greedy money.


Hopefully the U.S. seizes 100% of the assets and thus the "next of kin" doesn't see a nary penny. That's how this should work.

Does United cover cognitive dissonance?

[SnakeBoy]

As a result of the shooting, United Healthcare will be announcing free healthcare for all the company said.

[baseline bum]

As a result of the shooting, United Healthcare will be announcing free healthcare for all the company said.

It'll take a few more. Make America Rage Again.

[SnakeBoy]

Make America Rage Again.

That's what I'm hoping for from da libs

:corn:

[Blake]

That's what I'm hoping for from da libs

:corn:

Probably not, but there's always January 6

[baseline bum]

That's what I'm hoping for from da libs

:corn:

Won't get it from the libs; you're gonna have to hope for it from the left.

[ChumpDumper]

Anyone hurt by rising healthcare costs yet?

[Millennial_Messiah]

What if the shooter was the good guy with the gun? That CEO had quite a body count on him.


Suddenly Andy cares about "greedy filthy billionaires" :lol

If there's something I can agree with Berniecrats on, it's economically progressive populism, particularly with respect to healthcare and corporate greed in that sector.

The populist right I agree with on most things but those that claim to be "pro-life" are often really just "pro life only in the womb" but don't give a rat's ass about people who have actually been born and are alive and fully conscious.

I've long advocated for defunding state public education and funding public nationalized healthcare (with right-to-try) and a public and private option. I've ran large SimCities since childhood with all private schools and fully socialized medicine and that's the combo that works the best. It is the same for real life. People should have all the choices available. And people need to quit smoking, drinking, and eating junk food,

...but some people are just unfairly cursed, live a healthy lifestyle and still get stage 3 ovarian cancer at age 41, what do you do then? What did she do wrong? Never smoked, rarely drank, didn't do drugs, hiked, ate right her whole life. Not 65, not eligible for Medicare. Her husband makes too much money so she's not eligible for Medicaid. Private insurance is too expensive and only HDHPs (with the shitty retarded stock market dependent HSA concept) are offered at her husband's job, what does she do? Accept death in order to save her husband and kids their live savings?

Fuck the USA.



Does United cover cognitive dissonance?
Non sequitur. You sound like a generic, establishmentarian Democrat, crapitalist neocon.


Anyone hurt by rising healthcare costs yet?
Hopefully the price gougers. Pro life should mean all lives matter, not just unborn lives.

[ChumpDumper]

Non sequitur. You sound like a generic, establishmentarian Democrat, crapitalist neocon.You sound like a generic Trumptard.

[Millennial_Messiah]

You sound like a generic Trumptard.

Because generic Trumptards totally, totally campaign on economic healthcare populism and abolishing or at least severely regulating the private insurance industry and actually lowering costs for patients to reasonable prices that are on par with the rest of the world. Not once did Trump (nor Biden/Harris) mention that the US has fallen from #1 to #49 in the world in life expectancy; if I were running, I would bring that up at every single rally. Every single rally.

Though, I'd have to say that Trump is much more of an economic populist than his Republican predecessors for a very long time. He's the most economically left GOP President since Nixon and Eisenhower, though he left a lot of his more populist, anti-establishmentarian base out in the cold with the stipulations of the 2017 TCJA, which did much more to appease Wall Street and BlackRock than help John Smith on Main Street. Thanks, Mitch.

[ChumpDumper]

Because generic Trumptards totally, totally campaign on economic healthcare populism and abolishing or at least severely regulating the private insurance industry and actually lowering costs for patients to reasonable prices that are on par with the rest of the world.Hence the cognitive dissonance. votingrepublican.jpg

[Chucho]

Won't get it from the libs; you're gonna have to hope for it from the left.

Two assassination attempts since July...

[Winehole23]

Two assassination attempts since July...both shooters were registered Republicans

[Millennial_Messiah]

both shooters were registered Republicans

There's no question that the Cheney ilk are scared shitless of populism, regardless of if left, right, or centrist pragmatic.

That's why they tried to shoot Trump just like Cheney shot his "friend" in Feb '06... that's why they supported Biden and Harris... they're clinging desperately to the status quo and are scared of real, populist change.


Hence the cognitive dissonance. votingrepublican.jpg
If the Democrats weren't so damn establishmentarian, warhawkish, and in favor of preserving the current awful status quo at all costs, then maybe they'd deserve a younger populist's vote.

not to deny that the Mitch's, John Thune's and John Cornyn's of the world aren't just awful establishment neocons as well.

[ChumpDumper]

There's no question that the Cheney ilk are scared shitless of populism, regardless of if left, right, or centrist pragmatic.

That's why they tried to shoot Trump just like Cheney shot his "friend" in Feb '06... that's why they supported Biden and Harris... they're clinging desperately to the status quo and are scared of real, populist change.:lol more conspiracy theories



If the Democrats weren't so damn establishmentarian, warhawkish, and in favor of preserving the current awful status quo at all costs, then maybe they'd deserve a younger populist's vote.

not to deny that the Mitch's, John Thune's and John Cornyn's of the world aren't just awful establishment neocons as well.So why do you actively want to make US healthcare worse? That's what you voted for when you voted for Trump.

[baseline bum]

Two assassination attempts since July...

Both righty SAWMs

[baseline bum]

There's no question that the Cheney ilk are scared shitless of populism, regardless of if left, right, or centrist pragmatic.

That's why they tried to shoot Trump just like Cheney shot his "friend" in Feb '06... that's why they supported Biden and Harris... they're clinging desperately to the status quo and are scared of real, populist change.


If the Democrats weren't so damn establishmentarian, warhawkish, and in favor of preserving the current awful status quo at all costs, then maybe they'd deserve a younger populist's vote.

not to deny that the Mitch's, John Thune's and John Cornyn's of the world aren't just awful establishment neocons as well.

Trump's only populist in rhetoric. In reality he'll just give a fat tax cut to the rich on our backs through the tariffs that will effectively function as a national sales tax.

[SnakeBoy]

Bernie is pro tariff

[Winehole23]

We've had tariffs in the US for while -- and still have them. Being pro- or anti-tariff is somewhat beside the point.

There will be tariffs.

Trump tends to wield them bluntly and "massively."

[baseline bum]

Bernie is pro tariff

Link me where he wants a 25% tariff on food like Trump is proposing with Mexico.

[HemisfairArena]

If it had been in Texas there surely would have been a good guy with a gun to thwart the shooter


:lol but since it happened in New York,,,,no one had a gun and didnt stop the shooter and cant even find out who it is,,,,,,blakey with the democrat dumbfuck post again,,,,,par for the course,,,,

[HemisfairArena]

What if the shooter was the good guy with the gun? That CEO had quite a body count on him.

This is a good post by the bummer,,,,United Health care is a shit insurance company,,,,they deny claims all the time even though people pay into it,,,,,doesnt mean you can kill the CEO but nonetheless,,,,who knows if its some guy that may have lost a family member because United Health wouldnt cover the medical costs?,,,,,

[Winehole23]

Link me where he wants a 25% tariff on food like Trump is proposing with Mexico.SnackBoy is a dim bulb, he's more into folktales than details

[Blake]

:lol but since it happened in New York,,,,no one had a gun and didnt stop the shooter and cant even find out who it is,,,,,,blakey with the democrat dumbfuck post again,,,,,par for the course,,,,

So you're pro good guy with gun in this situation? What if the good guy with gun missed and hit a bystander?

[baseline bum]

This is a good post by the bummer,,,,United Health care is a shit insurance company,,,,they deny claims all the time even though people pay into it,,,,,doesnt mean you can kill the CEO but nonetheless,,,,who knows if its some guy that may have lost a family member because United Health wouldnt cover the medical costs?,,,,,

If he kills a family member, friend, partner or dooms you, a family member, friend, partner by denying a life saving treatment I think it's morally fine to defend the other policyholders and depose him the way the shooter did. If I ever get put on a jury of a case like that the state will 100% not get a conviction. To channel Chris Rock, I wouldn't have killed Thompson, but I understand.

[baseline bum]

:lol but since it happened in New York,,,,no one had a gun and didnt stop the shooter and cant even find out who it is,,,,,,blakey with the democrat dumbfuck post again,,,,,par for the course,,,,

And I hope they never do.

[Blake]

Meh. For big insurance, they'll mourn for a minute and it's next scum bag up.

[Winehole23]

If he kills a family member, friend, partner or dooms you, a family member, friend, partner by denying a life saving treatment I think it's morally fine to defend the other policyholders and depose him the way the shooter did. If I ever get put on a jury of a case like that the state will 100% not get a conviction. To channel Chris Rock, I wouldn't have killed Thompson, but I understand.Yves Smith was great on this


In case you have not heard, UnitedHealth was a standout denier of insurance claims, which is a fraud that these companies get away with on a pervasive basis. Our tale of tweets below shows not just barely coded views that Thompson’s death was karma, that the claim denials from which he profited resulted not just in dozens but likely hundreds, even thousands of preventable deaths, even though vigilante justice is not a socially desirable way to achieve redress.

Frankly, I am surprised something like this has not happened sooner. It’s not hard to think of cases of the C-suite killing people for fun and profit. Ford Pintos. Opioid makers with addiction creating sales strategies, with Purdue Pharma the lead but far from only actor. Vioxx, where Merck gamed the clinical trial data to hide extra heart attack deaths, which were so frequent that when the drug was taken off the market, that US mortality rate declined. Monsanto (now Bayer), where the company would have its staff apply the Roundup weedkiller only in heavy-duty protective gear, but never issued similarly stern warnings to customers.

A close ally during the foreclosure crisis described some of his cases from his days as a class action and even individual tort lawyer on mesothelioma cases. The end state of the cancer is horrific, with the patients often having their ribs break as the cancer both fills up their chest cavity and greatly constricts their breathing capacity. In one, which I gather was not atypical, the defense attorneys kept deposing him, 10 hours a day, days on end, in his deathbed in the hospital. They were not just trying to catch him in an inconsistency. They were trying to kill him faster via the stress and reduction of sleep so he would not be able to testify in court.

He lived long enough to do so. The spectacle of him being wheeled in, with an oxygen tube and dressed to show his distended upper torso was so appalling to jury that it was not hard to establish that he had been desperately harmed, merely firming up how the defendant was responsible.

My contact had to stop doing these cases. It was too psychologically draining even though he would win big awards.

And then the defense bar got good at finding ways to escape meaningful punishment. For instance, Alabama had once been a good venue for this sort of case (forgive me for sparing you why). But the state Supreme Court is elected. Those races soon attracted more in campaign donations than any judicial contest in the US. At one point, the chief justice race got $13 million in donations, far more than the governor’s race.

The result was any large damage award in Alabama would be cut back on appeals to $1 million, as in couch lint for a big company.
Murder and Social Murder: The Case of UnitedHealth CEO Brian Thompson | naked capitalism (https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2024/12/murder-and-social-murder-the-case-of-unitedhealth-ceo-brian-thompson.html)

[Winehole23]

written on the shell casings recovered at the scene

"deny"

"delay"

"depose"

[Winehole23]

(glug)

[ElNono]

Wondering how many homicides spark a multi-day manhunt, a 10k reward, and if the response would be the same if he was a black homeless person...

[GAustex]

Follow the money

Can’t have regular folk pushing back against rich folk

[Winehole23]

Wondering how many homicides spark a multi-day manhunt, a 10k reward, and if the response would be the same if he was a black homeless person...for me the more compelling example is people being denied care and dying from it, as a business model

[baseline bum]

written on the shell casings recovered at the scene

"deny"

"delay"

"depose"

Nah it was 'Depose' 'Deny' and 'Defend', a reference to the book "Delay, Deny, Defend: Why Insurance Companies Don't Pay Claims and What You Can Do About It"

https://www.amazon.com/Delay-Deny-Defend-Insurance-Companies/dp/1591843154

[z0sa]

Deny, deny, deny -- and here is the result. I saw a graph somewhere (cannot vouch for its veracity) that UHC denied as many as 35% of claims. 35 fuckin percent. Pay tens of thousands for insurance over decades, then get fucked when you actually need it. That's not even capitalism - it's outright fraud.

[Winehole23]

Nah it was 'Depose' 'Deny' and 'Defend', a reference to the book "Delay, Deny, Defend: Why Insurance Companies Don't Pay Claims and What You Can Do About It"

https://www.amazon.com/Delay-Deny-Defend-Insurance-Companies/dp/1591843154yeah, of course, but i'm talking about the inscriptions on the bullet casings

[Winehole23]

(to which I thought you had previously alluded)

[baseline bum]

yeah, of course, but i'm talking about the inscriptions on the bullet casings

I was pointing out Delay wasn't one of the inscriptions; it got replaced by Depose. The other two Defend and Deny were from the book title.

[Winehole23]

I was pointing out Delay wasn't one of the inscriptions; it got replaced by Depose. The other two Defend and Deny were from the book title.of course

[baseline bum]

Deny, deny, deny -- and here is the result. I saw a graph somewhere (cannot vouch for its veracity) that UHC denied as many as 35% of claims. 35 fuckin percent. Pay tens of thousands for insurance over decades, then get fucked when you actually need it. That's not even capitalism - it's outright fraud.

https://i.imgflip.com/9cs46i.jpg

[ElNono]

for me the more compelling example is people being denied care and dying from it, as a business model

Wonder if Thompson got denied care when he arrived at the hospital... "it's only a small hole in his back!"

[Blake]

Wonder if Thompson got denied care when he arrived at the hospital... "it's only a small hole in his back!"

The gunshot was a preexisting condition before arriving to the hospital.

[ElNono]

lol Reddit

"This fatal shooting has been reviewed by a peer and is considered a non-covered experimental procedure"

[SnakeBoy]

One shooting and shitlibs suddenly care about healthcare again

[ChumpDumper]

One shooting and shitlibs suddenly care about healthcare again

I guess you can tell yourself that if it soothes you.

[Winehole23]

One shooting and shitlibs suddenly care about healthcare againyou've been absent from this forum for four years, how would you know

[Blake]

One shooting and shitlibs suddenly care about healthcare again

4 years later the country is still waiting to hear Donald's plan

[z0sa]

https://i.imgflip.com/9cs46i.jpg

:lol fair, tbh.

For the record I think mixed economies will always be the gold standard. You want as much socialism as you can mix in to a capitalist society while still maintaining the idea of rewarding those who work harder/smarter.

[Thread]

Like the dearly departed Effy was wont to state..."He fucked around & he found out.

[koriwhat]

Taylor Lorenz terrorist threats are interesting... I'd imagine more people would rather she die horribly than most of her supposed enemies. That old hag is such a dumb mother fucker.

[Thread]

When America covers the health-care costs (full ride) for millions of Nazi's in Ukraine it's a genuine miracle the shooting didn't happen sooner, or, again.

[Thread]

Meh. For big insurance, they'll mourn for a minute and it's next scum bag up.


Amen.

[baseline bum]

Like the dearly departed Effy was wont to state..."He fucked around & he found out.

Watching that piece of shit get gunned down was like reading about Ted Bundy or Jeffrey Dahmer getting the needle: a menace to society finally having to pay for his crimes. Though there is no way Bundy or Dahmer killed as many as Thompson.

[koriwhat]

Watching that piece of shit get gunned down was like reading about Ted Bundy or Jeffrey Dahmer getting the needle: a menace to society finally having to pay for his crimes. Though there is no way Bundy or Dahmer killed as many as Thompson.

And you crybabies cry endlessly over me "wishing death" on weak fucks here on ST. Ain't that ironic?! :lmao

Btw, all those I ousted, where they at now? :lmao

[baseline bum]

And you crybabies cry endlessly over me "wishing death" on weak fucks here on ST. Ain't that ironic?! :lmao

Btw, all those I ousted, where they at now? :lmao

Oh no a murderer got murked

[ChumpDumper]

And you crybabies cry endlessly over me "wishing death" on weak fucks here on ST. Ain't that ironic?! :lmao

Btw, all those I ousted, where they at now? :lmaoNo known murderers on ST.

[koriwhat]

Oh no a murderer got murked

You think like a child but then again you're a leftist so it's par for the course.

[baseline bum]

You think like a child but then again you're a leftist so it's par for the course.

*World's smallest violin playing for that shitbag*

[Blake]

Is deathwishKori actually sad this CEO got shot and killed?

[koriwhat]

*World's smallest violin playing for that shitbag*

Yeah, I get it... You're a tard who repeats ad nauseam the chants of other tards like yourself, "rah rah die horrible med ceo!".

Where's this same energy for those who sold us out and gave billions world wide? You could've had your Med4All4Free by now if your overlords actually gave a fuck about you and the rest of us.

$750 for hurricane relief but billions to Africa recently for relief, billions to Ukraine as you celebrate every laundered dollar, billions to Israel, etc... You fools focus on that which your overlords hope yall focus on instead of the bigger picture, your overlords.

[baseline bum]

Yeah, I get it... You're a tard who repeats ad nauseam the chants of other tards like yourself, "rah rah die horrible med ceo!".

Where's this same energy for those who sold us out and gave billions world wide? You could've had your Med4All4Free by now if your overlords actually gave a fuck about you and the rest of us.

$750 for hurricane relief but billions to Africa recently for relief, billions to Ukraine as you celebrate every laundered dollar, billions to Israel, etc... You fools focus on that which your overlords hope yall focus on instead of the bigger picture, your overlords.

LOL such pearl clutching for a killer getting killed. LOL thinking the left supports Israel's genocide of Palestine. You're such a low information poster.

[florige]

LOL such pearl clutching for a killer getting killed. LOL thinking the left supports Israel's genocide of Palestine. You're such a low information poster.


I’m starting to believe that this guy was a hired killer. His movement and actions seem too smooth for a average Joe just looking to shoot a guy because he was mad about getting denied for a claim. I think it’s a lot more to this than what they are letting on

[Thread]

Yeah, I get it... You're a tard who repeats ad nauseam the chants of other tards like yourself, "rah rah die horrible med ceo!".

Where's this same energy for those who sold us out and gave billions world wide? You could've had your Med4All4Free by now if your overlords actually gave a fuck about you and the rest of us.

$750 for hurricane relief but billions to Africa recently for relief, billions to Ukraine as you celebrate every laundered dollar, billions to Israel, etc... You fools focus on that which your overlords hope yall focus on instead of the bigger picture, your overlords.

Tell it, kori.

Testify!!!

[baseline bum]

I’m starting to believe that this guy was a hired killer. His movement and actions seem too smooth for a average Joe just looking to shoot a guy because he was mad about getting denied for a claim. I think it’s a lot more to this than what they are letting on

IDK my expectation is the shooter probably offed himself after killing the mass murdering CEO. Staying at a hostel in NYC for ten days before putting in work doesn't really scream hired hitman to me.

[baseline bum]

Tell it, kori.

Testify!!!

Sad day when cubby is simping for the ruling class.

[ElNono]

I’m starting to believe that this guy was a hired killer. His movement and actions seem too smooth for a average Joe just looking to shoot a guy because he was mad about getting denied for a claim. I think it’s a lot more to this than what they are letting on

You would think pros would do better than gunning him down in the middle of Manhattan. I think this guy just got (so far) lucky.

[ChumpDumper]

Yeah, I get it... You're a tard who repeats ad nauseam the chants of other tards like yourself, "rah rah die horrible med ceo!".

Where's this same energy for those who sold us out and gave billions world wide? You could've had your Med4All4Free by now if your overlords actually gave a fuck about you and the rest of us.Trump is your overlord and he wanted/wants to take away the ACA and public Medicare.


$750 for hurricane relief but billions to Africa recently for relief, billions to Ukraine as you celebrate every laundered dollar, billions to Israel, etc... You fools focus on that which your overlords hope yall focus on instead of the bigger picture, your overlords.Your overlord Republicans didn't pass FEMA funding on purpose.

Tim P:lol:loll

[florige]

You would think pros would do better than gunning him down in the middle of Manhattan. I think this guy just got (so far) lucky.


You guys are right probably just some random guy, just usually random’s are usually more careless and not as precise as this guy was. But that being said Dude could had been planning this for a while far as I know and had been watching this guy

[florige]

Watching that piece of shit get gunned down was like reading about Ted Bundy or Jeffrey Dahmer getting the needle: a menace to society finally having to pay for his crimes. Though there is no way Bundy or Dahmer killed as many as Thompson.


And Dahmer and Bundy didn’t get filthy rich in doing so.

[ChumpDumper]

Why don't these CEOs have bulletproof backpacks?

[SnakeBoy]

Plebs 1
Ollyahgawky 1000000000000

[ChumpDumper]

lol u scared

[SnakeBoy]

lol you think you won something

[ChumpDumper]

lol no u just scared it's funny

[Spurs Homer]

I’m starting to believe that this guy was a hired killer. His movement and actions seem too smooth for a average Joe just looking to shoot a guy because he was mad about getting denied for a claim. I think it’s a lot more to this than what they are letting on

too bad he was hired to kill the wrong billionaire if so...

[baseline bum]

too bad he was hired to kill the wrong billionaire if so...

Nah he got the right one

[ChumpDumper]

Nah he got the right one

Who says he's stopping at one?

[Winehole23]

it's a corollary of "some rob you with a six gun, some with a fountain pen"

the person who directly murders another person does so at peril of his own liberty, the man who murders thousands at a corporate desk is not even civilly liable.

[Spurs Homer]

Who says he's stopping at one?

That has crossed my mind….

[baseline bum]

Who says he's stopping at one?

https://i.ibb.co/phxqCDY/distracted-boyfriend-meme.jpg

[baseline bum]

it's a corollary of "some rob you with a six gun, some with a fountain pen"

the person who directly murders another person does so at peril of his own liberty, the man who murders thousands at a corporate desk is not even civilly liable.

Death by the sword or death by the pen; either way you're still dead. Social murder is murder.

[Thread]

Death by the sword or death by the pen; either way you're still dead. Social murder is murder.

bum, of a Sunday night.

bum

[baseline bum]

bum, of a Sunday night.

bum

Gotta be honest man, was a sad day seeing you simp for that murdering CEO who got what he deserved. You used to be somebody, cubby.

[HemisfairArena]

Death by the sword or death by the pen; either way you're still dead. Social murder is murder.

In the end its still murder,,,,,thats fact,,,,and our society has become to embrace that all the way from abortion to death row,,,,,but are we know at the point that its forgivable right out on the streets even when your life hasnt been threatened?,,,,,not sayin' wrong or right,,,,just want to know where people are putting the rules now,,,,,

[Dod01]

And you crybabies cry endlessly over me "wishing death" on weak fucks here on ST. Ain't that ironic?! :lmao

Btw, all those I ousted, where they at now? :lmao

Who did you oust, tbh?

[ElNono]

Heard they're going to beef up security on these C-suites... gonna look like Congressmen soon...

[Thread]

Gotta be honest man, was a sad day seeing you simp for that murdering CEO who got what he deserved. You used to be somebody, cubby.

I never did.

His family now fully understands the concept of [empathy.]

[GAustex]

Demoncrat assassin caught

[Joseph Kony]

Demoncrat assassin caught
DEMONcrat hahahah I get it cus they're evil!!! hahahaha omg so funny! did you think of that yourself??


Faggot

[GAustex]

DEMONcrat hahahah I get it cus they're evil!!! hahahaha omg so funny! did you think of that yourself??


Faggot

You sad your boy got caught
Pussy

[SnakeBoy]

lol lib hero
lol Luigi
lol busted at McDonalds

[baseline bum]

Demoncrat assassin caught

LOL thinking the Democrats don't like UnitedHealth when Harris was the biggest recipient of their bribes in 2024.

[Donald Sterling.]

Another victim of the leftist so called education system. Many such cases. Sad.

[Blake]

Another victim of the leftist so called education system. Many such cases. Sad.

Were you rightist home schooled?

[ChumpDumper]

Were you rightist home schooled?

He dropped out of public school but is working hard on a degree from Prager University.

[ElNono]

Time for Luigi to get nailed to the tree of woe

[baseline bum]

Time for Luigi to get nailed to the tree of woe

I'd never convict if I was on his jury

[florige]

I'd never convict if I was on his jury


People on social media already trying to start a gofundme page for the guy lol

[baseline bum]

People on social media already trying to start a gofundme page for the guy lol

Love how the media talks about his manifesto but won't publish it.

[ElNono]

He’s gonna get free healthcare now. The system works?

[HemisfairArena]

What the fuck is this?,,,,,the twilight zone,,,,,Shapiro is saying exactly what Ive been saying is this thread,,,,,,the healthcare companies suck but you cant just go around killin' people on the street because you feel you were wronged,,,,its a shame that democrats are gonna pull Shapiro hard left because it will eventually happen if he ever wants the democrat nomination,,,,

Shapiro says 'hero' the one that called 911, not the shooter (https://www.msn.com/en-us/foodanddrink/foodnews/shapiro-says-hero-the-one-that-called-911-not-the-shooter/vi-AA1vzkyc?ocid=msedgntp&pc=LCTS&cvid=75cc716d77b0465a8059277eefba8ba2&ei=9#details)

[HemisfairArena]

I'll tell ya right now,,,,,if in 2028 its Shapiro against Vance,,,,,,I'm voting Shapiro(if the election happened with todays's candidates views) and its not even close,,,,I am not a Vance fan and actually like Shapiro and I'm a staunch republican,,,,,now here's the problem,,,,Shapiro will be pulled so far left by 2028 that I'd vote Vance. It sucks because this is the way its gonna be for the forseeable future,,,,Case in point: Shapiro in his video I posted aligned with how I feel about the CEO killing,,,,he also praised the cops,,,,instead of one of these defund the cops dumbfucks,,,,he has a great moderate agenda and thats why he's so popular in Pennsylvania among both democrats and republican but just recently he sided with the hard left and said he wants to protect all illegals against Trump's massive deportation. He's already getting pulled hard left now and sayin' he will break the law and deny the president. Even Obama won his 1st term saying the border needs to be shored up and the illegal flow reduced greatly,,,,and he went on to win twice. Shapiro today wont be the Shapiro you see in 4 years if tries to run for President,,,,,sadly.

[ChumpDumper]

Jordan Petersonite assassin caught

[Thread]

I'd never convict if I was on his jury

Word.

[Thread]

What the fuck is this?,,,,,the twilight zone,,,,,Shapiro is saying exactly what Ive been saying is this thread,,,,,,the healthcare companies suck but you cant just go around killin' people on the street because you feel you were wronged,,,,its a shame that democrats are gonna pull Shapiro hard left because it will eventually happen if he ever wants the democrat nomination,,,,

Shapiro says 'hero' the one that called 911, not the shooter (https://www.msn.com/en-us/foodanddrink/foodnews/shapiro-says-hero-the-one-that-called-911-not-the-shooter/vi-AA1vzkyc?ocid=msedgntp&pc=LCTS&cvid=75cc716d77b0465a8059277eefba8ba2&ei=9#details)

They shot Trump on the street and at him on the golf course because they felt wronged.

& it's no big deal. The same crew that was to protect him (SS) remain in place. & he goes right along with it!

[SnakeBoy]

I'll tell ya right now,,,,,if in 2028 its Shapiro against Vance,,,,,,I'm voting Shapiro(if the election happened with todays's candidates views) and its not even close,,,,I am not a Vance fan and actually like Shapiro and I'm a staunch republican,,,,,now here's the problem,,,,Shapiro will be pulled so far left by 2028 that I'd vote Vance. It sucks because this is the way its gonna be for the forseeable future,,,,Case in point: Shapiro in his video I posted aligned with how I feel about the CEO killing,,,,he also praised the cops,,,,instead of one of these defund the cops dumbfucks,,,,he has a great moderate agenda and thats why he's so popular in Pennsylvania among both democrats and republican but just recently he sided with the hard left and said he wants to protect all illegals against Trump's massive deportation. He's already getting pulled hard left now and sayin' he will break the law and deny the president. Even Obama won his 1st term saying the border needs to be shored up and the illegal flow reduced greatly,,,,and he went on to win twice. Shapiro today wont be the Shapiro you see in 4 years if tries to run for President,,,,,sadly.

JD would beat Jewbama

[Chucho]

I don't care about Political affiliation. Killing a corrupt CEO is a good thing. United is fucking awful.

More people like him need to be executed in the streets and the executioners should be hailed as heroes.

[Chucho]

He’s gonna get free healthcare now. The system works?

You'd gripe if he didn't receive "humane" treatment.

[ChumpDumper]

I don't care about Political affiliation.
From what little I've read he sounds more like Millennial_Messiah + chronic pain than anything else.

[baseline bum]

From what little I've read he sounds more like Millennial_Messiah + chronic pain than anything else.

It's refreshing to see the right punching up.

[ElNono]

You'd gripe if he didn't receive "humane" treatment.

I didn’t write the criminal code. If it were up to me, I’ll let him walk.

The reality is that I’ve tried to have empathy for the wife and kids, but that parasite was racking up millions writing death sentences for innocent people. They’ll probably are set for life anyways.

[HemisfairArena]

So where does it end since so many of you ok with killing this dude because the killer had a grievance?,,,,,Biden killed Americans when he pulled out of Afghanistan,,,,,if one of those family members took out Biden because of it,,,,,we good? When will CEO's from alcohol companies be taken out because a family member lost a loved one to a drunk driver,,,,,we good there also if it happens?,,,,,just tryin' to see where you guys want the rules because you cant get just a little bit pregnant,,,,,its either all the way or no way,,,,,so which is it?,,,,

[HemisfairArena]

JD would beat Jewbama

Not a chance unless Shapiro is pulled hard left which he will be and already starting,,,,,

[ChumpDumper]

So where does it end since so many of you ok with killing this dude because the killer had a grievance?,,,,,Biden killed Americans when he pulled out of Afghanistan,,,,,if one of those family members took out Biden because of it,,,,,we good? When will CEO's from alcohol companies be taken out because a family member lost a loved one to a drunk driver,,,,,we good there also if it happens?,,,,,just tryin' to see where you guys want the rules because you cant get just a little bit pregnant,,,,,its either all the way or no way,,,,,so which is it?,,,,You've been fine with minorities and homeless and kids getting killed for no reason all along. Chickens are coming home to roost.

[HemisfairArena]

You've been fine with minorities and homeless and kids getting killed for no reason all along. Chickens are coming home to roost.


Show me where republicans have said they are fine with minorites, homeless and children getting killed,,,,,,,prove it.

[HemisfairArena]

And Chumper,,,,not even being aggressive here,,,,,just want a civil debate with facts,,,,posted sources with credibility,,,,no feelings,,,,,no spinning,,,,,just straight up facts. And I'll even start,,,,your party supports abortion,,,,,,it accounted for over a million this year and the year before and I dont even know how many years before that,,,,,now we can get into the whole is the fetus a life or not,,,,but we are arguing sides and you say republicans love killing illegals,,,,I say democrats love killing babies,,,,,ect,,,ect,,ect,,,,now I have a link to prove that, I have direct links from health sites but I'll even use a democrat leaning site CNN to prove the point to be fair,,,,I want to see a link when you proclaim something,,,,,and we'll go from there,,,,,all from a credible source,,,


US abortions reach highest level in over a decade, sparked by surge in medication abortion | CNN (https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/18/health/abortion-data-guttmacher/index.html)

[ElNono]

So where does it end since so many of you ok with killing this dude because the killer had a grievance?,,,,,Biden killed Americans when he pulled out of Afghanistan,,,,,if one of those family members took out Biden because of it,,,,,we good? When will CEO's from alcohol companies be taken out because a family member lost a loved one to a drunk driver,,,,,we good there also if it happens?,,,,,just tryin' to see where you guys want the rules because you cant get just a little bit pregnant,,,,,its either all the way or no way,,,,,so which is it?,,,,

That is indeed the question. We currently seem to have two systems of justice. One that, for whatever reason, completely shields those directly responsible for the preventable deaths of Americans, and one that does not.
We’re continually reminded that no one is above the law and that our legal system is one and applies evenly to everyone, but in practice that’s not the case.

In this particular case, there’s simply a lot of wrongs and the wrong incentives in place. Insurance companies are neither the care providers nor recipients, just a middle man, with outsize power to make life or death decisions and incentivized to deny care to make more profit. The frustration with these companies doesn’t come out of thin air.

Ultimately, we try every case because while the law applies (supposedly) the same to everyone, the facts are different in every case. So it really isn’t “all the way or no way”. See Hunter Biden on how that’s not so, and how who you know, or how much money you have can give you a free ride.

This is really a much larger and complex topic. I don’t think anybody here believes murder or vigilante justice is justified by default, or even in the vast majority of cases. Some people might not even agree with the justified murder encoded in law (death penalty, castle doctrine, etc). In this case, there’s simply some pent up anger on what people perceive to be a broken system.

[Winehole23]

of course the first solution to be proposed the problem posed by the killing of Brian Thompson and popular rage at health insurance companies is shoring up the personal security of insurance CEOS -- "their most valuable assets"


The recent killing of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson (https://www.sfchronicle.com/business/article/police-divers-and-dogs-return-to-central-park-as-19969165.php) in Manhattan has brought renewed attention to the escalating costs of protecting top executives. As the leaders of the world’s largest and most visible companies, tech CEOs, many located in the Bay Area, face unique security risks.

In an age when these executives hold immense power and influence, safeguarding their well-being has become a significant — and costly — priority. A recent analysis of public filings reported by Quartz (https://qz.com/google-amazon-apple-tesla-nvidia-ceo-security-costs-1851504917) sheds light on the staggering sums that tech giants are spending to protect their most valuable assets: their CEOs.

Tech CEO security costs soar amid UnitedHealthcare CEO’s killing (https://www.sfchronicle.com/tech/article/tech-ceo-security-costs-19969709.php)

[Winehole23]

it's more of an abstract than a manifesto, tbh



“To the Feds, I'll keep this short, because I do respect what you do for our country. To save you a lengthy investigation, I state plainly that I wasn't working with anyone. This was fairly trivial: some elementary social engineering, basic CAD, a lot of patience. The spiral notebook, if present, has some straggling notes and To Do lists that illuminate the gist of it. My tech is pretty locked down because I work in engineering so probably not much info there. I do apologize for any strife of traumas but it had to be done. Frankly, these parasites simply had it coming. A reminder: the US has the #1 most expensive healthcare system in the world, yet we rank roughly #42 in life expectancy. United is the [indecipherable] largest company in the US by market cap, behind only Apple, Google, Walmart. It has grown and grown, but as our life expectancy? No the reality is, these [indecipherable] have simply gotten too powerful, and they continue to abuse our country for immense profit because the American public has allwed them to get away with it. Obviously the problem is more complex, but I do not have space, and frankly I do not pretend to be the most qualified person to lay out the full argument. But many have illuminated the corruption and greed (e.g.: Rosenthal, Moore), decades ago and the problems simply remain. It is not an issue of awareness at this point, but clearly power games at play. Evidently I am the first to face it with such brutal honesty.”

[Winehole23]

https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:w4xfre7c2njwe3wmvmwfo57i/bafkreihjj3w65nrclgt7ykmm6gwxk2kz5d2n7ybx52qrhxkzh npewevtyy@jpegvigilantes bad now?

[Blake]

vigilantes bad now?

Only when taking down rich white guy

[baseline bum]

I didn’t write the criminal code. If it were up to me, I’ll let him walk.

The reality is that I’ve tried to have empathy for the wife and kids, but that parasite was racking up millions writing death sentences for innocent people. They’ll probably are set for life anyways.

Fuck his wife too, living fat off his blood money.

[ChumpDumper]

Show me where republicans have said they are fine with minorites, homeless and children getting killed,,,,,,,prove it.

Who has to explicitly say it to be fine with it?

Don't be disingenuous.

But yeah, cheering the choking death of a panhandler because he was annoying people is being fine with it, for example.

Just shrugging off Sandy Hook saying the kids and teachers were somehow responsible for their own deaths by not being armed of fully bunkered is being fine with it.

Not even blinking at the El Paso or Buffalo mass shootings is being fine with it.

[Winehole23]

https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:mqh5sfltczryj4s3zo5rdyaj/bafkreiacffze2shp7zrjsp3fjqmqlkj4lcmgk43qokey467gl yphjalbde@jpeg

[Winehole23]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-12-11/americans-spend-more-years-sick-than-rest-of-the-world-new-study-show

[Winehole23]

Death by the sword or death by the pen; either way you're still dead. Social murder is murder.
You're preaching to the choir but we might as well be on Mars, Soylent Green is people.

"Scoops are coming!"

[HemisfairArena]

Who has to explicitly say it to be fine with it?

Don't be disingenuous.

But yeah, cheering the choking death of a panhandler because he was annoying people is being fine with it, for example.

Just shrugging off Sandy Hook saying the kids and teachers were somehow responsible for their own deaths by not being armed of fully bunkered is being fine with it.

Not even blinking at the El Paso or Buffalo mass shootings is being fine with it.


Jesus Christ, Chumper,,,,I tried, man,,,,I guess republicans and democrats are to far gone and this country is fucked,,,,,So youre saying your blanket statement about republicans killing children is ok because a few did it?,,,,you telling me all school shooters were republican?,,,,,because they werent. So I guess I can now say democrats love killing not only babies in the womb but children also,,,,,because believe it or not, Chumper,,,,,shooters have been democrats also. And you talk about the choking death of a panhandler but dont say shit about a 12 year old raped and killed by two illegals this year,,,,,I guess I can now say all democrat men are Trans sexual since a few are,,,,,and all democrat women believe in abortion and alienate those democrat centrists who dont,,,,,so lets do it,,,,,you didnt want a fact based debate,,,,so fuck it,,,,blanket statements for all,,,,,

[ChumpDumper]

Jesus Christ, Chumper,,,,I tried, man,,,,I guess republicans and democrats are to far gone and this country is fucked,,,,,So youre saying your blanket statement about republicans killing children is ok because a few did it?,,,,you telling me all school shooters were republican?,,,,,because they werent. So I guess I can now say democrats love killing not only babies in the womb but children also,,,,,because believe it or not, Chumper,,,,,shooters have been democrats also. And you talk about the choking death of a panhandler but dont say shit about a 12 year old raped and killed by two illegals this year,,,,,I guess I can now say all democrat men are Trans sexual since a few are,,,,,and all democrat women believe in abortion and alienate those democrat centrists who dont,,,,,so lets do it,,,,,you didnt want a fact based debate,,,,so fuck it,,,,blanket statements for all,,,,,What did you think should've been done after Sandy Hook?

After Las Vegas?

After Tree of Life?

After Buffalo?

After El Paso?

Please don't shit your pants and try to change the subject again.

Just answer the questions.

[HemisfairArena]

What did you think should've been done after Sandy Hook?

After Las Vegas?

After Tree of Life?

After Buffalo?

After El Paso?

Please don't shit your pants and try to change the subject again.

Just answer the questions.

Chumper,,,only one who shit their pants was you,,,as usual,,,,blanket statements with no proof,,,,,

[ChumpDumper]

Chumper,,,only one who shit their pants was you,,,as usual,,,,blanket statements with no proof,,,,,
I'll ask again without the triggering comment.

What did you think should've been done after Sandy Hook?

After Las Vegas?

After Tree of Life?

After Buffalo?

After El Paso?

Please don't try to change the subject again.

Just answer the questions.

[HemisfairArena]

I'll ask again without the triggering comment.

What did you think should've been done after Sandy Hook?

After Las Vegas?

After Tree of Life?

After Buffalo?

After El Paso?

Please don't try to change the subject again.

Just answer the questions.


Dont need to and I know when you've lost,,,,its when you go to the triggered card,,,,,you use blanket statements with no facts,,,,,its your M.O,,,,,and when someone challenges you to actually prove what you post,,,,you cant,,,,it is what it is,,,,

[ChumpDumper]

Dont need to and I know when you've lost,,,,its when you go to the triggered card,,,,,you use blanket statements with no facts,,,,,its your M.O,,,,,and when someone challenges you to actually prove what you post,,,,you cant,,,,it is what it is,,,,Your refusal to answer these simple questions proves my statement.

Why won't you answer these simple questions?

I am challenging you to answer these simple questions.

What did you think should've been done after Sandy Hook?

After Las Vegas?

After Tree of Life?

After Buffalo?

After El Paso?

Please don't try to change the subject again.

Just answer the questions.

[HemisfairArena]

Your refusal to answer these simple questions proves my statement.

Why won't you answer these simple questions?

I am challenging you to answer these simple questions.

What did you think should've been done after Sandy Hook?

After Las Vegas?

After Tree of Life?

After Buffalo?

After El Paso?

Please don't try to change the subject again.

Just answer the questions.


Youve changed the subject, Chumper from my earlier post,,,,why should I answer your questions when you dont answer mine? I asked you to prove republicans want to kill minorites, homeless and children,,,,,still waiting for your proof,,,,when you do that,,,,I'll answer your questions,,,,so quit changing the subject and anser my questions,,,,

[ChumpDumper]

Youve changed the subject, Chumper from my earlier post,,,,why should I answer your questions when you dont answer mine? I asked you to prove republicans want to kill minorites, homeless and children,,,,,still waiting for your proof,,,,when you do that,,,,I'll answer your questions,,,,so quit changing the subject and anser my questions,,,,You are proving my point.

You never wanted anything done after any of these mass murders.

With the exception of Las Vegas, all of these involved mostly minority or child victims.

Thanks for proving me right in making my blanket statement.

You were fine with all these mass murders.

You didn't want anything to be done to prevent any more of them.

It's up to you to prove me wrong. You won't even defend yourself.

[Winehole23]

freedom is paying way more for worse health outcomes


“The largest component of higher U.S. medical spending is the cost of health care administration,” according to an analysis by Harvard health economist David Cutler (https://hsph.harvard.edu/news/understanding-why-health-care-costs-in-the-u-s-are-so-high/). “About one-third of health care dollars spent in the United States pays for administration.”

Peer countries, even those that have similar systems with multiple private insurers, pay just a fraction as much. “Whole occupations exist in U.S. medical care that are found nowhere else in the world, from medical-record coding to claim-submission specialists,” Cutler writes.

That excess spending adds up to something like half a trillion dollars each year, according to a recent analysis of Congressional Budget Office data (https://www.peoplespolicyproject.org/2024/12/10/health-care-administration-wastes-half-a-trillion-dollars-every-year/?nvep=&hmac=&emci=33b63ab7-13b7-ef11-88d0-000d3a9d5840&emdi=ea000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000001&ceid=) by Matt Bruenig of the People’s Policy Project. For every $100 spent on health care, $16 goes directly to private insurance companies and another $16 goes to hospitals to cover the cost of administering care.

Only about $68 goes toward actually paying for medical services.

Under a single-payer system, on the other hand, the CBO estimates that the public insurer would need just $1.60 of that hundred bucks to cover its costs, while the hospitals would only need $11.80 to cover administration, because they no longer have to deal with the hassle of multiple private health insurers.
Under that system, $86.60 would go toward paying for care.
A man radicalized by statistics | News From The States (https://www.newsfromthestates.com/article/man-radicalized-statistics)

[Thread]

Fuck his wife too, living fat off his blood money.

Amen.

[HemisfairArena]

You are proving my point.

You never wanted anything done after any of these mass murders.

With the exception of Las Vegas, all of these involved mostly minority or child victims.

Thanks for proving me right in making my blanket statement.

You were fine with all these mass murders.

You didn't want anything to be done to prevent any more of them.

It's up to you to prove me wrong. You won't even defend yourself.

Show me where I said I'm fine with all the mass murders,,,,again another false statement. Show me where I said I want nothing done about it,,,,again another false statement. Then you act like a republican shooter represents all republicans,,,,,again another blanket view by you,,,,Asked you to provide proof of the accusations of republicans,,,,all republicans like you blanketed it,,,, wanting to kill minorities, homeless and children and then I'll answer your questions,,,,,you just wont do it. You never have or ever will. You bring absolutely nothing to the table,,,,,youre an antagonist and nothing more,,,,you make blanket statements and when posters ask you for proof,,,,you become a spin doctor,,,,its what you do,,,,,done with interaction because not gonna go in circles with ya,,,,when you have proof that all republicans want to kill minorities, homeless and children like you insinuated,,,,,let me now,,,,,until then you can have your last word like you always do and see ya on another topic,,,,

[Blake]

Lol what an angry rambling mess of gibberish

[Winehole23]

an angry rambling mess of gibberish is what MAGA is

[Winehole23]

https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:6757hscgbpcffesxsqhapzmv/bafkreihajgfd5snhwwq64fbrsjh74tpjyv37hrq6iuzka7ah3 yldcn2rwq@jpeg

[Winehole23]

national hero for choking out a homeless person?

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[Winehole23]

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[Blake]

national hero for choking out a homeless person?

https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:yrjwxtjw2fmtmbaulddo7ec6/bafkreie3yk7tbqeh3hdvi5sh6cs7vrym5cu4s5thjahz3pd3y zezv2ctv4@jpeg

Not one finger will be wagged by team Trump tard here or there

[GAustex]

Betcha Nancy don’t get denied coverage

[ChumpDumper]

Show me where I said I'm fine with all the mass murders,,,,again another false statement. Show me where I said I want nothing done about it,,,,again another false statement. Then you act like a republican shooter represents all republicans,,,,,again another blanket view by you,,,,Asked you to provide proof of the accusations of republicans,,,,all republicans like you blanketed it,,,, wanting to kill minorities, homeless and children and then I'll answer your questions,,,,,you just wont do it. You never have or ever will. You bring absolutely nothing to the table,,,,,youre an antagonist and nothing more,,,,you make blanket statements and when posters ask you for proof,,,,you become a spin doctor,,,,its what you do,,,,,done with interaction because not gonna go in circles with ya,,,,when you have proof that all republicans want to kill minorities, homeless and children like you insinuated,,,,,let me now,,,,,until then you can have your last word like you always do and see ya on another topic,,,,

lol you didn't even hint that you're against these killings. :tu

[SnakeBoy]

What did you think should've been done after Sandy Hook?

After Las Vegas?

After Tree of Life?

After Buffalo?

After El Paso?

Please don't shit your pants and try to change the subject again.

Just answer the questions.

What do you think should've happened to those murderers?

[Winehole23]

What do you think should've happened to those murderers?you don't reply to direct questions, why should anyone answer you?

[Winehole23]

Betcha Nancy don’t get denied coverageof course not, Pelosi's hospitalized in Luxembourg.

[Winehole23]

running scared


UnitedHealth officials are pointing to their CEO's murder as a reason they cannot comment on an unrelated @propublica.org (https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:k4jt6heuiamymgi46yeuxtpt)

investigation into the company's practice of strategically limiting access to critical treatment for kids with autism.



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[Winehole23]

We are in mourning," a spokesperson wrote.

UnitedHealth Limits Access to Key Treatment for Kids With Autism — ProPublica (https://www.propublica.org/article/unitedhealthcare-insurance-autism-denials-applied-behavior-analysis-medicaid)

[Winehole23]

ProPublica has obtained what is effectively the company’s strategic playbook, developed by Optum, the division that manages mental health benefits for United. In internal reports, the company acknowledges (https://legacy.www.documentcloud.org/documents/25447785-cs-behavioral-health-performance-update-aba-optum-1/) that the therapy, called applied behavior analysis, is the “evidence-based gold standard treatment for those with medically necessary needs.” But the company’s costs have climbed as the number of children diagnosed with autism (https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2825472) has ballooned; experts say greater awareness (https://publications.aap.org/aapnews/news/23904/CDC-Autism-rate-rises-to-1-in-36-children?autologincheck=redirected) and improved screening (https://www.statnews.com/2023/03/23/autism-epidemic-cdc-numbers/) have contributed to a fourfold increase in the past two decades — from 1 in 150 to 1 in 36.


So Optum is “pursuing market-specific action plans” to limit children’s access to the treatment, the reports said.


“Key opportunities” are outlined (https://legacy.www.documentcloud.org/documents/25451446-behavioral-health-performance-update-aba-network-optimization/) in bullets in the documents. While acknowledging some areas have “very long waitlists” for the therapy, the company said it aims to “prevent new providers from joining the network” and “terminate” existing ones, including “cost outliers.”



“They’re denying access to treatment and shrinking a network at a time when they clearly know that there is an urgent need,” she said.

[baseline bum]

of course not, Pelosi's hospitalized in Luxembourg.

Nah Nancy is the name of the class traitor rat who defended the system by snitching on Luigi, got her reward claim denied on a technicality because she called 911 instead of the FBI/NYPD, and who has now been deposed from her job at McDonalds for all the heat she brought the location.

[Winehole23]

Nah Nancy is the name of the class traitor rat who defended the system by snitching on Luigi, got her reward claim denied on a technicality because she called 911 instead of the FBI/NYPD, and who has now been deposed from her job at McDonalds for all the heat she brought the location."emergency hip replacement"

[SnakeBoy]

Nah Nancy is the name of the class traitor rat who defended the system by snitching on Luigi, got her reward claim denied on a technicality because she called 911 instead of the FBI/NYPD, and who has now been deposed from her job at McDonalds for all the heat she brought the location.

lol is that true? Did loser lefties get the McDonalds worker fired? If that's what the left is reduced to :lmao

[Winehole23]

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lol is that true? Did loser lefties get the McDonalds worker fired? If that's what the left is reduced to :lmao

[baseline bum]

lol is that true? Did loser lefties get the McDonalds worker fired? If that's what the left is reduced to :lmao

LOL thinking it's only the left pissed at UnitedHealth and celebrating Luigi murking the mass murderer.

[Winehole23]

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[ElNono]

Here comes the T word…

Luigi Mangione is charged with murder as an act of terrorism in CEO's death
https://www.npr.org/2024/12/17/nx-s1-5232067/luigi-mangione-murder-terrorism-ceo-shooting

[ElNono]

Former Manhattan Assistant District Attorney Jeremy Saland warned on Tuesday that the new murder as an act of terrorism charge facing Luigi Mangione is a "bit of a stretch."

During an appearance on CNN, Saland, who was also a municipal prosecutor for New York's Westchester County, said: "I, maybe objectively or subjectively, believe this is a bit of a stretch. If I'm somebody, you kill a police officer that's one thing, if you kill a witness to a crime that's something else too that would rise to this first-degree homicide or murder, but this is, I think, if I'm someone whose brother or sister or sibling was murdered on the street. Why should a CEO's murder be treated differently than my loved one? I think it's trying to send a message. But I think it's going to also potentially cause them problems and that's why they kept also that regular, if you will, murder two."

https://www.newsweek.com/luigi-mangiones-terrorism-charge-bit-stretch-ex-prosecutor-warns-2002514

[SnakeBoy]

As long as Luigi gets a lifetime of gubmint provided healthcare I don't care what they convict him of.

[Winehole23]

if eradicating disease is a bad business model, maybe medicine shouldn't be run like a business


“The potential to deliver ‘one shot cures’ is one of the most attractive aspects of gene therapy, genetically-engineered cell therapy and gene editing. However, such treatments offer a very different outlook with regard to recurring revenue versus chronic therapies,” analyst Salveen Richter wrote in the note to clients Tuesday. “While this proposition carries tremendous value for patients and society, it could represent a challenge for genome medicine developers looking for sustained cash flow.”

Richter cited Gilead Sciences’ (https://www.cnbc.com/quotes/GILD/) treatments for hepatitis C, which achieved cure rates of more than 90 percent. The company’s U.S. sales for these hepatitis C treatments peaked at $12.5 billion in 2015, but have been falling ever since. Goldman estimates the U.S. sales for these treatments will be less than $4 billion this year, according to a table in the report.

“GILD is a case in point, where the success of its hepatitis C franchise has gradually exhausted the available pool of treatable patients,” the analyst wrote. “In the case of infectious diseases such as hepatitis C, curing existing patients also decreases the number of carriers able to transmit the virus to new patients, thus the incident pool also declines … Where an incident pool remains stable (eg, in cancer) the potential for a cure poses less risk to the sustainability of a franchise.”Goldman asks: 'Is curing patients a sustainable business model?' (https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/11/goldman-asks-is-curing-patients-a-sustainable-business-model.html)

[Winehole23]

https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_fullsize/plain/did:plc:lt7eqlk3l7u5pncvfgmcfjem/bafkreieurpa3bnf7do35oo2zu4wweigjtqvi4rg62mic5fllg m3o5aj3te@jpeghttps://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_fullsize/plain/did:plc:lt7eqlk3l7u5pncvfgmcfjem/bafkreiel72yne4vtxvd35napfimxvhc5yeayxx5w7mamfsdr3 xcfghka5e@jpegDecember 2024 National Poll: Young Voters Diverge from Majority on Crypto, TikTok, and CEO Assassination - Emerson Polling (https://emersoncollegepolling.com/december-2024-national-poll-young-voters-diverge-from-majority-on-crypto-tiktok-and-ceo-assassination/)

[Winehole23]

killing one CEO is terrorism but shooting and killing thousands of kids at school is just the price we pay for muh gunz

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[Winehole23]

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[Winehole23]

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[Blake]

killing one CEO is terrorism but shooting and killing thousands of kids at school is just the price we pay for muh gunz

https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:222rnvnta2lbl364bog2plxw/bafkreih6cl3tdhako2px2x7ox6tba4tde3gtfxj2odk4bl2gl efksykgca@jpeg

MOAR GUNS MOAR MENTAL HEALTH TRAINING OR SOMETHING

[Winehole23]

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[Winehole23]

billions for stock buybacks, financial engineering is a top priority for UNH

Unitedhealth Group (UNH) Share Buybacks Chart - UNH Stock Share Buybacks History (https://www.financecharts.com/stocks/UNH/cash-flow/repurchase-of-capital-stock)

[SnakeBoy]

Really, ya'll gonna start crying about stock buybacks again?

[ChumpDumper]

Really, ya'll gonna start crying about stock buybacks again?

Really, you gonna start crying about everything we post again?

[Winehole23]

if you're a health care insurer and you prioritize stock buybacks and executive compensation over the people paying you for coverage to the tune of billions of dollars a year, perhaps you ought not be allowed to do that.

until 1982, stock buybacks were largely illegal because the law frowned on price manipulation.

I dunno, maybe let shareholders vote on it?

The Ugly Truth Behind Stock Buybacks (https://www.forbes.com/sites/aalsin/2017/02/28/shareholders-should-be-required-to-vote-on-stock-buybacks/)

[Winehole23]

POSIWID

https://lowninstitute.org/projects/2024-shkreli-awards/

[baseline bum]

Really, you gonna start crying about everything we post again?

Did Snakes ever stop?

[Winehole23]

if you're a health care insurer and you prioritize stock buybacks and executive compensation over the people paying you for coverage to the tune of billions of dollars a year, perhaps you ought not be allowed to do that.

until 1982, stock buybacks were largely illegal because the law frowned on price manipulation.

I dunno, maybe let shareholders vote on it?

The Ugly Truth Behind Stock Buybacks (https://www.forbes.com/sites/aalsin/2017/02/28/shareholders-should-be-required-to-vote-on-stock-buybacks/)hell, if I remember right, before the 1970s, hospitals were not allowed to function as for profit businesses.

you balance the fucking ledger, plus what you need to grow sustainably.

[Winehole23]

According to an independent study released last month by the Mayo Clinic, health insurance is the nation’s No. 2 cause of death, claiming the lives of some 400,000 Americans each year. A silent killer, health insurance often strikes without warning, its harmful and profit-based policies avoiding detection until it is far too late. Although the cruel bureaucratic disorder does not discriminate, statistics have shown that senior citizens, young dependents, and those woefully underemployed are most at risk.

“I can’t tell you the number of patients I’ve had to deliver the bad news to over the years,” said Haige’s longtime family physician, Dr. Howard Silverman. “It’s never easy to look someone in the eye and tell them it’s going to have to be out-of-pocket. For most of these poor people, prayer is the only hope.”

Toward the end of Haige’s seven-year ordeal, family members said, the once loving husband and father had become an empty husk of his former self.

“I remember the last thing he ever said to me,” said eldest son Mark Haige, holding a small picture of his father during happier times, before the endless battery of co-pays began. “He took my hand in his, and he said, ’Son, promise me you’ll never sign up for a high-deductible, network-model HMO.’”
https://theonion.com/man-succumbs-to-7-year-battle-with-health-insurance-1819570129/

[Winehole23]

These people may be better off in padded rooms than corner offices. That was the finding, incidentally, in a 2006 study of CEOs (https://fortune.com/2021/06/06/corporate-psychopaths-business-leadership-csr/): fully 12% exhibited psychopathic traits, meaning psychopathy is somewhere around 12 times more common among senior management than among the general population, and about the same rate found in prisons.


That number was revised in 2016, by the way.


Up.


The number of CEOs who are psychos is actually closer to 20%. (https://psychology.org.au/news/media_releases/13september2016/brooks)


“A psychopath,” (https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackmccullough/2019/12/09/the-psychopathic-ceo/)Forbes (https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackmccullough/2019/12/09/the-psychopathic-ceo/) explains (https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackmccullough/2019/12/09/the-psychopathic-ceo/), “is different from a psychotic in that the latter is a person who has lost touch with reality, often suffering from delusions, while the former is not detached from reality but lacks empathy and doesn’t care about the consequences of his or her actions. Psychopaths are generally considered intelligent, manipulative and charming—and lack the ability to learn from mistakes or punishment.”
https://julianmacfarlane.substack.com/p/billionaires-should-not-own-media

[Winehole23]

PBMs going to town


According to the FTC report, UnitedHealth’s OptumRx, along with Cigna’s Express Scripts and CVS Caremark Rx, were able to collectively pocket $7.3 billion in added revenue above cost during the five year period of the study through 2022.

“The Big 3 PBMs marked up numerous specialty generic drugs dispensed at their affiliated pharmacies by thousands of percent, and many others by hundreds of percent,” it concluded (https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2025/01/ftc-releases-second-interim-staff-report-prescription-drug-middlemen).

A thousand percent increase in the price of a drug that costs $10 wholesale would result in a retail price of $110.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/unitedhealth-employer-slain-exec-brian-175429944.html

[Winehole23]

insurance companies complain about high health care costs when they're under attack for screwing policyholders


"Ultimately, improving health care means addressing the root cause of health care costs," he said. "Fundamentally, health care costs more in the U.S. because the price of a single procedure, visit or prescription is higher here than it is in other countries."https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/unitedhealth-ceo-defends-company-amid-price-gouging-accusations/ar-AA1xnQNM

[koriwhat]

Really, ya'll gonna start crying about stock buybacks again?

They cry about everything, so... Of course they'll cry more about a whole lot of nothing.

[Winehole23]

Three days after saying (https://news.bloomberglaw.com/health-law-and-business/us-medicare-agency-to-appeal-unitedhealth-star-rating-decision) it would take up the appeal, the Trump administration drops it in favor of UHC, one of the country's worst Medicare Advantage providers.

Maybe their CEO gave Trump a million dollars for the inauguration, a little ass kissing goes a long way these days


UnitedHealthCare, one of the largest Medicare Advantage providers in the country, had been facing backlash from the federal government and patients alike after an investigation found widespread issues with patient care, prescription drug access, and communication with healthcare providers. As a result, CMS initially lowered the company’s star rating from 4.5 to 2.5 stars, which is well below the national average of 4.5 stars.


The reduced star rating had significant consequences for UnitedHealthCare, including potential penalties and fines, as well as increased scrutiny from regulatory bodies and potentially even contract cancellations with patients.


However, in a surprising turn of events, CMS has announced that it is withdrawing its appeal of UnitedHealthCare’s star rating. The move has left many healthcare experts and analysts scratching their heads, wondering why CMS would abandon its efforts to hold the company accountable for its alleged missteps.
hhttps://news.bloomberglaw.com/health-law-and-business/us-medicare-agency-to-appeal-unitedhealth-star-rating-decision

[Winehole23]

if they want to keep the torches and pitchforks at bay, they need to start treating people right



The parents of a 22-year-old Wisconsin man who died after an asthma attack have filed a lawsuit against Walgreens and UnitedHealth Group’s pharmacy benefit manager after they said the price for his medication suddenly rose from $66 to $539.



Cole Schmidtknecht, 22, had lived with asthma since he was a baby, but he was able to manage his symptoms by taking Advair Diskus, a preventative inhaler, every day, according to a lawsuit filed in federal court last week. Since 2023, Schmidtknecht had health insurance through his employer that covered his medication, which cost him no more than $66.86 each month.






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Cole SchmidtknechtFamily Handout


However, when Schmidtknecht went to his local Walgreens pharmacy on Jan. 10, 2024, to fill his prescription, he was informed that his medication was no longer covered by his insurance, according to the lawsuit. Advair Diskus would now cost Schmidtknecht $539.19 out of pocket, and the pharmacy allegedly told him there were no cheaper alternatives or generic medications available to him. The lawsuit also says the pharmacist failed to contact Schmidtknecht’s physician or insurance company to seek an alternative.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/cole-schmidtknecht-lawsuit-inhaler-walgreens-optumrx_n_679a92aae4b09f65216c9280

[koriwhat]

Not LOL to that dude if true. But LOL huffpost! That feminist rag outlet is complete and utter shit!

[Winehole23]

Not LOL to that dude if true. But LOL huffpost! That feminist rag outlet is complete and utter shit!feel free to point out what HuffPo got wrong

[koriwhat]

feel free to point out what HuffPo got wrong

Didn't say they got anything wrong in your linked article I'd never read due strictly to the rag outlet you linked to. :tu

[Winehole23]

UHC on the warpath against "inaccurate social media posts"


UnitedHealth Group Inc. has hired a prominent defamation law firm to counter what it sees as inaccurate and irresponsible social media posts about the company’s practices.


Clare Locke, an Alexandria, Virginia-based boutique law firm, is working for UnitedHealth, the company confirmed. A doctor “is using her social media following to perpetuate inaccuracies, which is irresponsible, unethical and dangerous,” UnitedHeath said in a statement.
https://news.bloomberglaw.com/business-and-practice/unitedhealth-hires-defamation-firm-to-counter-social-media-posts

[Winehole23]

Didn't say they got anything wrong in your linked article I'd never read due strictly to the rag outlet you linked to. :tunot a reader, how unsurprising

[koriwhat]

not a reader, how unsurprising

Definitely a reader but unlike you, I don't care much for fiction; I'm more into technical books on computing. Not surprising you're into girly dramatic fiction.

[ChumpDumper]

Dude reads ChatGPT for Dummies while listening to Tim Pool.

[Winehole23]

backtracking on the backtracking

it's like Trumpies don't know what they're doing and they don't know what they want to do


Three days after saying (https://news.bloomberglaw.com/health-law-and-business/us-medicare-agency-to-appeal-unitedhealth-star-rating-decision) it would take up the appeal, the Trump administration drops it in favor of UHC, one of the country's worst Medicare Advantage providers.

Maybe their CEO gave Trump a million dollars for the inauguration, a little ass kissing goes a long way these days

hhttps://news.bloomberglaw.com/health-law-and-business/us-medicare-agency-to-appeal-unitedhealth-star-rating-decision



The US Justice Department has been investigating UnitedHealth Group (https://fortune.com/company/unitedhealth-group/) Inc.’s Medicare billing practices, a person familiar with the matter said. The company’s stock fell sharply.

The Wall Street Journal first reported the civil fraud investigation into whether the insurance giant’s practices related to patient diagnoses force higher payments from the government’s Medicare Advantage program.

https://apnews.com/article/elizabeth-holmes-theranos-fraud-conviction-appeal-193bb0a0bfe306e796acd13c151e705c

[Thread]

backtracking on the backtracking

it's like Trumpies don't know what they're doing and they don't know what they want to do




https://apnews.com/article/elizabeth-holmes-theranos-fraud-conviction-appeal-193bb0a0bfe306e796acd13c151e705c

I already got what I wanted. Anything he wants to do is Jake with me.

[Winehole23]

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[Thread]

I already got what I wanted. Anything he wants to do is Jake with me.

Like building a shoe store in Z's ass early this afternoon in the Oval Office, then minutes later throwing his and his fuckin' people's asses off the fuckin' property.

[Thread]

I already got what I wanted. Anything he wants to do is Jake with me.


Like publicly indicting the vast group of cocksuckers who did Russia Gate. Named 'em a stout number of 'em today in broad daylight, on a Friday no less.

I'd miss not one fuckin' opportunity to nail their asses up every fucking chance I got for the next 4 years. I'd crucify their fuckin' souls.

[Winehole23]

a bunch of corporate investigations have been dropped by Trumplandia, but not this one

"did Luigi save the UnitedHealth case?"


UnitedHealth alone collects some $8.5 billion every year for covering supposed maladies no doctor has ever treated, according to the Journal. Added to fictitious maladies a doctor may have treated at one time and other scams, Medicare Advantage fraud is estimated to cost the federal government at least $100 billion a year (https://pnhp.org/news/medicare-advantage-overbills-taxpayers-by-140-billion-a-year-enough-to-wipe-out-medicare-premiums/) in unnecessary overpayments, according to most of the think tanks that have studied the issue. Even Medicare Advantage boosters like Ezekiel Emanuel estimate the program costs between $20 billion and $30 billion (https://x.com/ZekeEmanuel/status/1607591118320828417) more than it should, making bogus insurance company–concocted diagnoses the single most conspicuous source of fraud, waste, and abuse in the federal budget, not that DOGE has found it yet.


The problem is that for decades now the laws that prohibit defrauding Medicare have been under attack by a cabal of lobbyists, conservative judges, and cynical wonks who essentially believe rampant Medicare fraud is the price America must pay to nurture insurance companies willing to perform the odious task of cutting senior citizens off when their lives have gotten too costly to sustain. “The line I would hear every time I brought up” some questionable billing practice, says O’Meara, “is, this is just what you have to do to survive in value-based care, and ‘CMS says we can do it, so it’s OK.’”


But she didn’t think it was OK, and after quitting the Polyclinic last spring and reading a lot of books, articles, and white papers on “value-based care,” she reached out to Wall Street Journal reporter Anna Mathews to talk about what she had experienced. That call turned into the aforementioned series detailing UnitedHealth’s efforts to milk the Medicare Advantage program while systematically denying coverage to patients it ostensibly covered.
https://prospect.org/health/2025-03-07-did-luigi-save-unitedhealth-case/

[Winehole23]

UnitedHealth and other third party administrators have been screwing the public for a while


At issue is the Veterans’ Community Care Program, which facilitates medical care for veterans provided by health care professionals outside of the Veterans Health Administration (VHA).


The program is administered by big health insurance companies, including Optum and TriWest. Data compiled by federal investigators shows that these insurers, often called third-party administrators (TPAs), overbill the government in a similar way that insurers selling Medicare Advantage plans do, as HEALTH CARE uncovered (https://healthcareuncovered.substack.com/p/unitedhealth-group-is-being-investigated) has reported.

https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_2400,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:s teep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8095a08 3-3960-4ebb-8af8-ab2c1593ef02_1600x1000.heic





(https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8095a08 3-3960-4ebb-8af8-ab2c1593ef02_1600x1000.heic)Department of Veterans Affairs Office of the Inspector General (OIG) February 2025 report (https://www.vaoig.gov/sites/default/files/reports/2025-02/vaoig-23-00748-28.pdf).

The investigators looked under the hood of these companies and found some real troubling signs. Their February 2025 report (https://www.vaoig.gov/sites/default/files/reports/2025-02/vaoig-23-00748-28.pdf) – published by the Department of Veterans Affairs Office of the Inspector General (OIG) – found that the VHA overpaid its TPAs by more than $1 billion between 2020 and 2024.


The largest recipient was UnitedHealth Group’s Optum, which received overpayments of more than $105 million from 2020 to 2022. TriWest was overpaid $73.4 million from 2020 to 2023. The OIG found the overpayments were a result of the companies charging the VHA incorrect rates.

For example, Optum reportedly overcharged the VHA by $783.4 million between 2020 and May 2024 for dental services provided by community care providers. Investigators said Optum was able to charge the extra amount because of a technicality in the contract: there was no language that specifically prevented Optum from charging the VHA more than it was reimbursing the community care provider for the service.
https://healthcareuncovered.substack.com/p/report-shows-how-unitedhealth-group

[Winehole23]

Trumplandia rigs the game for dirty dealing PBMs in the FTC insulin lawsuit


The Federal Trade Commission late Tuesday stayed a lawsuit accusing pharmacy middlemen of gaming the system to inflate the price of insulin — a drug millions of Americans need to survive (https://diabetes.org/newsroom/american-diabetes-association-announces-support-for-insulin-act-at-senate-press-conference). When it did, it left experts in Ohio and elsewhere trying to figure out if President Donald Trump was trying to sabotage the commission’s work, or if it was simply part of his vendetta against Democrats.
Created in 1914, the FTC is tasked with stopping unfair trade practices — particularly those by big corporations that use their dominance to harm small businesses (https://www.ftc.gov/business-guidance/small-businesses/protecting-small-businesses-cases) and consumers (https://www.ftc.gov/about-ftc/bureaus-offices/bureau-consumer-protection).


Starting around 1980, Republican and then Democratic administrations — which appoint the agency’s commissioners — greatly diminished the role of the FTC and the Antitrust Division of the Justice Department. The argument then prevailed that despite what the laws themselves said, the goal of antitrust law was efficiency (https://www.wbur.org/onpoint/2022/02/17/more-than-money-antitrust-monopolies-are-defined-from-bork-to-khan), which would supposedly deliver better outcomes for consumers.


But awareness has grown in recent years that the rise of big box stores (https://ohiocapitaljournal.com/2024/12/16/want-to-fix-food-deserts-and-lower-food-prices-enforce-antitrust-law-activist-says/), health conglomerates, (https://ohiocapitaljournal.com/2025/02/20/antitrust-group-ohioans-issue-call-to-break-up-big-medicine/) and tech companies (https://casi.stanford.edu/news/inside-amazon-new-kind-monopoly-conversation-stacy-mitchell) hasn’t been to the uniform benefit of consumers (https://rooseveltinstitute.org/blog/the-effects-of-consolidation-on-the-economy/).


In response, the Biden administration began a new era of stepped-up enforcement (https://www.economicliberties.us/press-release/lina-khans-transformative-leadership-revitalized-the-ftc-and-set-a-new-standard-for-antitrust-enforcement/) of laws that had long been on the books. The FTC filed lawsuits against Amazon (https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2023/09/ftc-sues-amazon-illegally-maintaining-monopoly-power), to stop the Kroger-Albertson’s merger (https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2024/12/statement-ftc-victory-securing-halt-kroger-albertsons-grocery-merger), and it sued giant health conglomerates. It accused the latter companies of unfairly driving up insulin prices (https://ohiocapitaljournal.com/2024/10/01/feds-allege-sweeping-scheme-to-raise-customer-costs-for-insulin/) at the expense of diabetics — especially those with low incomes.
That was the case that the FTC stayed on Monday.


The agency did so because two Republican commissioners had recused themselves from the case, saying they had conflicts of interest. A third Republican commissioner hasn’t yet been approved by the Senate. And Trump in March tried to fire the two Democratic appointees, Alvaro Bedoya and Rebecca Kelly Slaughter.


The case was to be heard by the commissioners. But now there aren’t any to hear it.


Bedoya and Slaughter are in court challenging the attempted firings (https://protectdemocracy.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Slaughter-v-Trump-Complaint.pdf), arguing that the president doesn’t have the power to simply decree a change in the structure of a regulatory commission created by Congress. The suit quotes the Federal Trade Commission Act, which says the president can only remove commissioners “for inefficiency, neglect of duty, or malfeasance in office.”


So long as that lawsuit plays out, the FTC suit against the pharmacy middlemen won’t.


It alleges that the big three pharmacy middlemen excluded cheaper generic forms of insulin from insurance coverage in order to extract larger rebates from manufacturers’ more costly products.


The three biggest middlemen, or pharmacy benefit managers, control nearly 80% of the insured drug transactions in the United Sates. Each is a part of a conglomerate that also owns a major insurer — UnitedHealth Group, CVS Health and Cigna-Express Scripts.


As middlemen, the benefit managers decide which drugs are covered, and which of those have low or no copayments. The FTC suit says that since 2012, they’ve been increasingly aggressive about demanding ever-larger, non-transparent rebates — their critics call them kickbacks — from manufacturers in exchange for covering their drugs.


With insulin, prices were effectively jacked up when the middlemen refused to cover some of the cheapest alternatives at all, the suit said.
https://ohiocapitaljournal.com/2025/04/03/did-trump-tank-the-ftcs-insulin-suit-observers-in-ohio-elsewhere-want-to-know/

[Winehole23]

UHC under investigation for Medicare Advantage fraud


The healthcare-fraud unit of the Justice Department’s criminal division is overseeing the investigation, the people said, and it has been an active probe since at least last summer.
While the exact nature of the potential criminal allegations against UnitedHealth is unclear, the people said the federal investigation is focusing on the company’s Medicare Advantage business practices….

The probe adds to a list of government inquiries into the company, including investigations of potential antitrust violations and a civil investigation of its Medicare billing practices, including at its doctors offices….

The Justice Department’s criminal healthcare fraud unit focuses on crimes such as kickbacks that trigger higher Medicare or Medicaid payments….the unit has turned its focus to insurers in the Medicare Advantage system, where they now oversee taxpayer-funded benefits for more than half the seniors and disabled people in the broader Medicare program….

Medicare Advantage insurers are paid extra for covering sicker patients, creating an incentive to document diagnoses for patients they cover. In some cases, the Journal’s reporting has shown, questionable diagnoses by UnitedHealth added billions to taxpayers’ costs….
https://archive.is/Tsy9z

[Winehole23]

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[Winehole23]

that's a death panel, right?

[koriwhat]

Of course you resurrected this shit thread after downplaying the death of that Jewish couple recently. Go figure I'd find you in here.

[Winehole23]

I've always posted on a wide variety of topics

It's also my custom to update them

[TSA]

I've always posted on a wide variety of topics

It's also my custom to update them

Why did the updates stop on these pet projects of yours?

:cryMaryland Man:cry
:cryHero Judge:cry
:cryKidnapped Child:cry
:cryRetard Raper:cry
:cryFriendly Vietnamese Murderer:cry

[ChumpDumper]

Why did your updates stop on Comet Ping Pong child sex pizza dungeon?

QAnon?

Ukrainum One?

Cat Stevens?

Weird art?

Siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiillllllllllllllllll lllllssssssssssssssssssssssssssssbyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy yyyyy?

[DMX7]

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Looks like him to me

[Winehole23]

Blue Cross fucking over cancer docs and hospitals because it can




Shortchanged: Blue Cross Louisiana OK’d mastectomies and breast reconstructions for women with cancer but refused to pay a hospital’s full bills. For some claims, it paid nothing.
Exceptions: Blue Cross denied payments for thousands of procedures involved in breast reconstruction. But it approved special deals for treatment for executives’ wives.
Verdict: A jury found Blue Cross liable for fraud and awarded the hospital $421 million. The insurance company denied wrongdoing and has appealed.

https://www.propublica.org/article/blue-cross-blue-shield-louisiana-insurance-lawsuit-breast-cancer-doctors

[Winehole23]

peer-to-peer consultations often aren't

insurance companies hire incompetent doctors to deny care

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The doctors reviewing necessity of care for insurance companies rarely are qualified in the specialty for which they are denying care & frequently are working for insurance companies b/c they can no longer practice due to gross incompetence. www.propublica.org/article/malp... (https://www.propublica.org/article/malpractice-settlements-doctors-working-for-insurance-companies)

[Winehole23]

is this the future of health care?


The families of two now-deceased former beneficiaries of UnitedHealth have filed a lawsuit against the health care giant, alleging it knowingly used a faulty artificial intelligence algorithm to deny elderly patients coverage for extended care deemed necessary by their doctors.


The lawsuit, filed (https://litigationtracker.law.georgetown.edu/wp-content/uploads/2023/11/Estate-of-Gene-B.-Lokken-et-al_20231114_COMPLAINT.pdf) last Tuesday in federal court in Minnesota, claims UnitedHealth illegally denied "elderly patients care owed to them under Medicare Advantage Plans" by deploying an AI model known by the company to have a 90% error rate, overriding determinations made by the patients' physicians that the expenses were medically necessary.


"The elderly are prematurely kicked out of care facilities nationwide or forced to deplete family savings to continue receiving necessary medical care, all because [UnitedHealth's] AI model 'disagrees' with their real live doctors' determinations," according to the complaint.
https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/unitedhealth-lawsuit-ai-deny-claims-medicare-advantage-health-insurance-denials

[Winehole23]

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[Winehole23]

DOJ could be compromising its own prosecution by shit talking Mangione in public, but in fairness the current administration likes to use executive power to propagandize


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https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nysd.640793/gov.uscourts.nysd.640793.53.0.pdf

[Winehole23]

Mangione's lawyers say there was no warrant for the backpack search and no Miranda warning before police questioning


They contend that the gun and other items should be excluded because police lacked a warrant to search the backpack in which they were found. They also want to suppress some of Mangione’s statements to police, such as allegedly giving a false name, because officers started asking questions before telling him he had a right to remain silent.


Eliminating the gun and notebook would be critical wins for Mangione’s defence and a major setback for prosecutors, depriving them of a possible murder weapon and evidence they say points to motive.
https://globalnews.ca/news/11552425/luigi-mangione-trial-bar-evidence-ceo-killing-brian-thompson/

[sickdsm]

I've always posted on a wide variety of topics

It's also my custom to update them

Still waiting for the thread about the rampant fraud in the Minnesota Govt. Oh wait, that's a blue state though. Ignore I guess.

[ChumpDumper]

Still waiting for the thread about the rampant fraud in the Minnesota Govt. Oh wait, that's a blue state though. Ignore I guess.

Are you incapable of making a thread?

I'd be happy to read your objective sources and reply.

Ignore I guess.

[Winehole23]

Still waiting for the thread about the rampant fraud in the Minnesota Govt. Oh wait, that's a blue state though. Ignore I guess.please feel free to create a thread or drop a link if you'd like to reorient the discussion

you barely had anything to say about Walz and Minnesota

[Winehole23]

hell, I posted more on this page about Minnesota than you did, sickdsm

three posts up from yours

[sickdsm]

hell, I posted more on this page about Minnesota than you did, sickdsm

three posts up from yours

Lol, That has nothing to do with the widespread known fraud going on. If it was a red state it would have ten pages of spam posting.

[sickdsm]

Are you incapable of making a thread?

I'd be happy to read your objective sources and reply.

Ignore I guess.


You need to see some sources before you're willing to comment? Are you unaware of that story?

[Blake]

You need to see some sources before you're willing to comment? Are you unaware of that story?

It's your claim.

[ChumpDumper]

You need to see some sources before you're willing to comment?Yes.

If you're just going to be a whiny chickenshit, do you really want a conversation with anyone?

Just post your source, princess.

[Winehole23]

complains about one-sided posting, does nothing to correct the imbalance

[ChumpDumper]

Are any of those charged running for the US Senate?

[Winehole23]

is this a death panel?


In January, the federal Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services will launch the Wasteful and Inappropriate Services Reduction (WISeR) Model to test AI-powered prior authorizations on certain health services for Medicare patients in six states: Arizona, New Jersey, Ohio, Oklahoma, Texas and Washington. The program is scheduled to last through 2031.

The program effectively inserts one of private insurance’s most unpopular features — prior authorization — into traditional Medicare, the federal health insurance program for people 65 and older and those with certain disabilities. Prior authorization is the process by which patients and doctors must ask health insurers to approve medical procedures or drugs before proceeding.


The companies get paid based on how much money they save Medicare by denying approvals for “unnecessary or non-covered services,” CMS said in a statement (https://www.cms.gov/newsroom/press-releases/cms-launches-new-model-target-wasteful-inappropriate-services-original-medicare) unveiling the program.https://stateline.org/2025/12/04/medicares-new-ai-experiment-sparks-alarm-among-doctors-lawmakers/

[Winehole23]

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[Winehole23]

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[velik_m]

Luigi Mangione escapes federal death penalty after federal prosecutors decline to appeal judge's ruling

...
In a letter, the U.S. Attorneys Office for the Southern District said it accepts U.S. District Judge Margaret Garnett‘s Jan. 30 decision to dismiss a death penalty-eligible murder charge against Mangione, who is accused of fatally shooting UnitedHealthCare CEO Brian Thompson Dec. 4, 2024.

Despite not being tried on murder charges, Mangione still faces two federal stalking charges.

Jury selection is scheduled to begin Sept. 8. Opening statements will begin in October.

Mangione, 27, also faces life in prison at a separate murder trial in state court slated to begin in June. He has pleaded not guilty to Thompson's killing.

To charge Mangione with the federal count of murder through use of a gun, prosecutors need an underlying crime of violence, Garnett said in her January ruling.

...


https://www.foxnews.com/us/luigi-mangione-escapes-federal-death-penalty-federal-prosecutors-decline-appeal-judges-ruling