Game Thread: Chicago Bulls(9-13) at San Antonio Spurs(11-10) Dec 5 2024 7 PM CST 3 AM RIGA

[lefty20]

Bulls : Lonzo Ball is out with left knee injury management, Josh Giddey is questionable with a right ankle sprain, Coby White is out with a left ankle sprain and Patrick Williams is out with a left foot injury.


Spurs : Wemby is out with back soreness.

[TXstbobcat]

spurs get the win at home without the alien.

[heyheymymy]

:flag:

[scott]

CHARLES BASSEY REDEMPTION GAME

[baseline bum]

CHARLES BASSEY REDEMPTION GAME

KICK HIS ASS C-BASS!

[CGD]

CHARLES BASSEY REDEMPTION GAME

Yea, no Assey

[lefty20]

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[tonight...you]

CHARLES BASSEY REDEMPTION GAME
You are the hunter Sea Bass.
Eat.

[scott]

Sochan starting at C is interesting. What a warning shot to Collins. Wonder if this means Bassey doesn't get his shot at redemption though.

Bassey had one bad game... Collins has had 2 years worth :lol

[Mugen]

1864830341657076010

Interesting. Would be great if C-Bass was the first big off the bench tbh.

[Spurs Homer]

No wemby…

hard to still watch the game…

[Dex]

All my homies hate Zach Collins.

[Knoxxx]

No wemby…

hard to still watch the game…

There is also Thursday night football. I am interested to see how Sochan plays since he was so active last game. But I think I just heard them say Sochan is starting at C v Vucevic, really!?!

[Russ]

CHARLES BASSEY REDEMPTION GAME

I think you have to have demption first.

(But go Charles!)

[scott]

So this is what it feels like to get a bunch of offensive rebounds? Something only fans of Spurs opponents usually experience.

[Knoxxx]

Ice cold Barnes is very sketch.

[Knoxxx]

Looks like the tank is back on!

[Dex]

Collins first big off the bench, fuck

[Dex]

Spurs are getting shots but just aren't hitting anything

[heyheymymy]

love the fan at about the 50 yard line wearing what looks like a green Sochan wig

[scott]

Getting flashbacks of the last two seasons watching this

[Leetonidas]

This offense is painful to watch

[Leetonidas]

:lmao Collins

[scott]

Can Collins foul out giving up six And-1s? He’s gonna find out!

[heyheymymy]

wow zollins just checked in and already has 2 fouls

[Dex]

Tre Jones wearing a full shoulder sling. That shoulder injury must be pretty serious.

[Leetonidas]

Defense is just as embarrassing as the offense rofl

[Dex]

Oh look, another 15-point first quarter deficit

[scott]

Sweet passing from Bassey

[heyheymymy]

Tre Jones wearing a full shoulder sling. That shoulder injury must be pretty serious.

Fucking Saboner I swear that guy aint right

Spurs were just about back to full strength for the first time all season. Sabonis spazzed out

[Spurs Brazil]

Terrible defense in the 1st quarter. Even Castle was very bad. Another slow start

[CGD]

Bulls have some pieces I’ve always liked in Ayo and Terry. Smith also looks like a solid role player now.

[sananspursfan21]

Oh look, another terrible start. What a surprise.

[scott]

That was a clean block by CBass

[baseline bum]

ROFL Zollins with the Del Negro long two

[heyheymymy]

wow champ is playing incredibly well this half

[spursparker9]

:lol at least we are helping to boost the odds of getting Chicago top 10 protected pick

[heyheymymy]

yeah bulls are sitting right at 10 currently and SA is struggling in this game

maybe it's for the best tbh

[scott]

One of our most embarrassing performances this season, tbh

[8FOR!3]

I hope I'm wrong but I have this theory (untested in that I haven't seen the stats) that the Spurs offense is much better without Sochan on the team. Honestly hope it's not true and my eyes are failing me.

[Jordan Jackson]

Vucevic is literally a corpse on defense. Spurs need to put him in every PnR. Hunt him. Not sure why they aren’t.

[CGD]

Jesus. They hung 73 on us in the first half. Brutal

[ginobilized]

Memories of the past 2 seasons, bad bball.
Making the Bulls look like All-Stars. 73 pts is an abomination. Spurs body language looks horrible.

[BackHome]

:lol at least we are helping to boost the odds of getting Chicago top 10 protected pick

Behind every Dark cloud there is a Silver lining. Lol

[Dex]

:lol at least we are helping to boost the odds of getting Chicago top 10 protected pick

The long con

[Jordan Jackson]

Spurs look like the team that lost 18 games in a row. Not sure if it’s a coincidence that the usual suspects are on the floor again (minus Vic).

Hope the second half is a bit more respectable. This not a good look for a home game.

[sananspursfan21]

Is it possible their 11-9 record was a bit of fool’s gold? It’s only two games and some guys are reacclimating, but they look last year’s guys again. I hope they’re not regressing to a mean.

[scott]

Castle’s shooting has fallen off a cliff as late

[scott]

Vooch looking to join the Foreign Centers Who Own The Spurs Hall of Fame. Other members:

Jonas
Zubac
Steven Adams

[Dex]

I think the Bulls would be shooting worse if we weren't even on the court

[Ocotillo]

Barnes has hit the rookie wall……wait, he’s hit something and it’s not the net

[Strategic]

Put castle on vucevic

[CGD]

The math ain’t mathing. Trading 2s for 3s.

[CGD]

Man Paul just can’t create any separation on offense anymore. Sad to see, though it’s amazing he’s still playing well at his age

[james evans]

this is a good 'ol fashioned beat down.

[CGD]

Barnes has hit the rookie wall……wait, he’s hit something and it’s not the net

Yeah, seems like hes checking out. Maybe thinking about a trade?

[Jordan Jackson]

Need more guys committed to defense.

Castle is a good start - but if and when the Pelicans blow it up - Buford needs to be on their doorstep trying to pry Herb Jones away. I know the Pels aren’t dumb enough to do it. Trey Murphy is nice too.

[spursparker9]

Barnes has hit the rookie wall……wait, he’s hit something and it’s not the net

He hit the western conference player of the week's post celebration wall :lol

[scott]

Typical of the Spurs as late: cut into a huge deficit, then rely too heavily on bad 3PT shots while giving up wide open 3PT shots on the other end

[spursparker9]

Vooch looking to join the Foreign Centers Who Own The Spurs Hall of Fame. Other members:

Jonas
Zubac
Steven Adams

Spurs center killers :lol

Can add the Turish centre Enes something who ended Timmy's career in the 2016 playoffs

[CGD]

When did Tucker Horton turn into a lardbar. Jeesh.

[Arcadian]

Hopefully Victor plays tomorrow, because I'm attending that game...

[SpursFan86]

Somehow an 11 point game :lol Have no faith in us making the comeback given how shitty our defense looks but nice to see we at least have made it interesting.

[scott]

The Bulls are just bad enough to blow this… not sure these Spurs are good enough to make it happen though.

[scott]

Not enough Mamu this game. Mitch hates Bran, which is good… but also hates Mamu, which is less good.

[CGD]

Not enough Mamu this game. Mitch hates Bran, which is good… but also hates Mamu, which is less good.

Problem with Mamu is he gives everything back and then some on defense. Not Keldon bad, but it’s bad. It works when Vic is there to cover it up, but harder in this game.

[SpursFan86]

Aaaaaand back to a 15 point game. Just can’t get consistent stops and bricking shots.

[Mugen]

It took 20 games this season but the real Spurs finally showed up.

This team is fucking terrible :lol

[SpursFan86]

Can’t believe Vucevic only has 30. Watching this shit and it feels like he’s getting close to a 50 bomb :lol

[sananspursfan21]

Get it to a manageable 7 point deficit only to let them get 8 unanswered. Cool.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Man, we really really really suck

[Mugen]

Gonna be back under .500 after tomorrow's L to the Kings tbh.

The starting lineup really needs to change. And it starts with moving the rookie that can't shoot back to the bench while Tre is out tbh.

[sananspursfan21]

The crazy part is that Chicago’s missing way more rotation players

[Mugen]

I want Collins nuked to the sun tbh. I can't believe this f'er fleeced the FO out of that contract.

[sananspursfan21]

How is Chicago not up by 43?

[spursparker9]

Still not too late to tank tbh. Especially after seeing we can't rely on Hawks to tank for us

[Spurs Homer]

Too bad victor doesnt have barnes mentality to play every fucking game- rain or shine- bumps and bruises and all…

This would have been a W if the spurs had a serviceable center in this game to neutralize vucevic

[Mugen]

Empty the f'n bench, Mitch. WTF.

[Mugen]

Still not too late to tank tbh. Especially after seeing we can't rely on Hawks to tank for us

They're bad but unfortunately not bottom 10 bad tbh.

[Spurs Homer]

Imagine having edey to eat up some minutes instead of bassey and zollins…

[Mugen]

Devin and Vic probably out tomorrow. Maybe Sochan too.

3 game losing streak coming up during a soft part of the schedule tbh, smh.

[Mugen]

Ended up being the worst kind of loss since everybody ended up playing down the stretch of the 4th.

This team is bad. Really, really bad.

[Strategic]

Spurs held at arm’s length again. Maybe they can get over these humps as the season progresses. Need somebody else to step up.

[skin27]

What a loser ass team

[Dex]

Well, that was certainly a game of all-time.

[Jordan Jackson]

Ended up being the worst kind of loss since everybody ended up playing down the stretch of the 4th.

This team is bad. Really, really bad.

They were pretty bad last year and it’s more or less the same team from last year. Nights like this don’t surprise me. Not disappointed with the loss because I think that’s the best they are capable of.

I don’t think they can “internal development”‘their way out of this. More real NBA level talent is going to be needed.

[Mugen]

The starting lineup has to change (even if Wemby is back). Devin has to start and either Castle or Barnes has to go to the bench.

Castle's D is fine but he's just a negative player right now due to his complete inability to make an outside shot.

[TekXX]

Did someone tell Mitch to stop trying to win games and hit the skids?

[TrainOfThought5]

One of our most embarrassing performances this season, tbh

gutless worms tbh

[TrainOfThought5]

They're bad but unfortunately not bottom 10 bad tbh.

we don’t know how bad we can suck until we try. Another top 4 with generational 2 way talent ceiling is exactly what we need.

[Mugen]

Rough game from Mitch tbh.

Mamu comes in, hits a 3 and doesn't see the floor the rest of the night.

The coverage on Vuc was godawful.

[CorrectCrusader]

Why are y'all complaining, we need Chicago to make the playoffs

[rascal]

Rough game from Mitch tbh.

Mamu comes in, hits a 3 and doesn't see the floor the rest of the night.

The coverage on Vuc was godawful.

Isn't Sochan suppose to be the defensive stopper.

[jjspur]

Someone in the front office is worried that we are winning too many games and won't get a lottery pick with the Hawks and Bulls playing better as of late. Was Wemby really injured ? He would have made a big difference.

[rascal]

Why are y'all complaining, we need Chicago to make the playoffs

Outcome was great. I'd like the see the Spurs land Edgecombe or Harper or Bailey to get that future offensive scoring 2nd star.

[TrainOfThought5]

Someone in the front office is worried that we are winning too many games and won't get a lottery pick with the Hawks and Bulls playing better as of late. Was Wemby really injured ? He would have made a big difference.

thank God someone is worried because that win streak had me stressed. This is not the year for Play-in shenanigans.

[Dex]

Outcome was great. I'd like the see the Spurs land Edgecombe or Harper or Bailey to get that future offensive scoring 2nd star.

We will draft a guard who can't shoot and you will like it.

[PhantomDashCam]

Frustrating experience. These guys think they can play their way into games against “lesser competition”.
Absolute BS.
Yes, you’ve beaten some good teams but I hope you to start to realise the irony in those Ws…

[onechance87]

missed the game....how did matas look for the bulls.Wanted us to draft him.

[PhantomDashCam]

missed the game....how did matas look for the bulls.Wanted us to draft him.

A tale of two sides of the ball.

Was solid on Offense and even hit a big 3 to put the Bulls up 11, starting a run for them after the Spurs had started to close the gap.
Defensively though, he was pretty bad - Out of position, late on rotations and hunted in ISOs.

[LeBowen]

Will have to catch up with the game, Vucevic killing us was the expected outcome.
Will be even worse tomorrow with noone to match up with Sabonis.

[John B]

Spurs stealth-gifted Bulls with a win

[benefactor]

Keldon trade value loss:tu

[Fireball]

what the fuck was this game?

[tbdog]

Don't guard vuc with a 6.8 swing.

[exstatic]

If Chicago wanted Flagg, they needed to hold their fire sale last summer, not now or in the near future. There’s too much talent on this team to avoid the play in, or even the playoffs in the pathetic Eastern conference.

[Mal]

Did Wemby missed this one, because of having Bulls` draft pick ?

[exstatic]

Did Wemby missed this one, because of having Bulls` draft pick ?

Maybe. He’s supposed to maybe miss tonight, too, and that has no draft pick ramifications. They certainly played a weird, no center starting lineup last night.

[Seventyniner]

I watched the whole game, outside the last 45 seconds or so. That was hard to watch. I knew the defense would suffer without Wemby but not like that.

It was the inverse of the Suns loss. The offense was good but the defense abysmal.

[LeBowen]

I watched the whole game, outside the last 45 seconds or so. That was hard to watch. I knew the defense would suffer without Wemby but not like that.

It was the inverse of the Suns loss. The offense was good but the defense abysmal.

This just wasn't the game to try to go small because Vucevic has been on a tear and they're actually good at attacking the paint.
My only hope is that PATFO is realizing we just can't compete without a solid backup big.
Collins looks like a dog that needs to be taken behind the shed and dealth with.
Bassey is a decent third stringer gimmick, but I'm not sure he can be an actual backup who can be relied upon to play 15 to 20 minutes each night.

I don't mind seeing Castle chuck every game because his development is the prioriy and the fastest way to do it is by telling him he must shoot in games, but we've got no room for growth with Collins, we need a move to happen because it's impossible to develop anything if your bench unit literally can't function on defense.

[scott]

This just wasn't the game to try to go small because Vucevic has been on a tear and they're actually good at attacking the paint.
My only hope is that PATFO is realizing we just can't compete without a solid backup big.
Collins looks like a dog that needs to be taken behind the shed and dealth with.
Bassey is a decent third stringer gimmick, but I'm not sure he can be an actual backup who can be relied upon to play 15 to 20 minutes each night.

I don't mind seeing Castle chuck every game because his development is the prioriy and the fastest way to do it is by telling him he must shoot in games, but we've got no room for growth with Collins, we need a move to happen because it's impossible to develop anything if your bench unit literally can't function on defense.

I was thinking about this last night in regards to the whole team. We has seen that giving Wemby a green light from 3 is a developmental tool, I'm starting to wonder if they've taken this approach with the entire team.

We are 6th in the NBA in 3PA/gm, but 17th in 3P% (and honestly I was surprised we are even that high). We don't have a roster built of shooters, but we have a game plan built as though we do. (Interesting note, the Thunder are almost identical to us on both measures, we take 40.0 3PA/gm and shoot 34.7%, they take 39.9 3PA/gm and shoot 34.6%). The Spurs and Thunder are anomalies in the Top 10 of 3PA/gm, as the only two who shoot under 36%. (Another note, the Magic are 12th with 37.7 3PA/gm but only shoot a dismal 31.2%).

The last 10 games it's gotten worse though, the Spurs are #4 in the league in 3PA/gm (41.6) and only shooting 33.7% (22nd) in the league. My eyes have been telling me that we've been becoming increasingly reliant on the 3, and the stats confirm it.

[z0sa]

I was thinking about this last night in regards to the whole team. We has seen that giving Wemby a green light from 3 is a developmental tool, I'm starting to wonder if they've taken this approach with the entire team.

We are 6th in the NBA in 3PA/gm, but 17th in 3P% (and honestly I was surprised we are even that high). We don't have a roster built of shooters, but we have a game plan built as though we do. (Interesting note, the Thunder are almost identical to us on both measures, we take 40.0 3PA/gm and shoot 34.7%, they take 39.9 3PA/gm and shoot 34.6%). The Spurs and Thunder are anomalies in the Top 10 of 3PA/gm, as the only two who shoot under 36%. (Another note, the Magic are 12th with 37.7 3PA/gm but only shoot a dismal 31.2%).

The last 10 games it's gotten worse though, the Spurs are #4 in the league in 3PA/gm (41.6) and only shooting 33.7% (22nd) in the league. My eyes have been telling me that we've been becoming increasingly reliant on the 3, and the stats confirm it.

This, in my humble opinion, is Mitch Johnson modernizing the Spurs offense. Only problem? You guessed it, Popovich and co. did not draft/build for this type of game, sad as that fact is considering the Beautiful Game basically was invented by Pop. So we've got a lot of pieces that are square pegs trying to be fit in circular holes IE shooting even though they're streaky, at best.

I feel good for a future where a coach continues this gameplan, but right now, it's gonna be ugly and it will continue to be so until either a) our guys get better at shooting or b) we attain shooters who can play today's style of game.

[rascal]

Are the Spurs quietly tanking again. They seem to hold players out for minor things. How many games has Wemby already missed?

[LeBowen]

I was thinking about this last night in regards to the whole team. We has seen that giving Wemby a green light from 3 is a developmental tool, I'm starting to wonder if they've taken this approach with the entire team.

We are 6th in the NBA in 3PA/gm, but 17th in 3P% (and honestly I was surprised we are even that high). We don't have a roster built of shooters, but we have a game plan built as though we do. (Interesting note, the Thunder are almost identical to us on both measures, we take 40.0 3PA/gm and shoot 34.7%, they take 39.9 3PA/gm and shoot 34.6%). The Spurs and Thunder are anomalies in the Top 10 of 3PA/gm, as the only two who shoot under 36%. (Another note, the Magic are 12th with 37.7 3PA/gm but only shoot a dismal 31.2%).

The last 10 games it's gotten worse though, the Spurs are #4 in the league in 3PA/gm (41.6) and only shooting 33.7% (22nd) in the league. My eyes have been telling me that we've been becoming increasingly reliant on the 3, and the stats confirm it.

We're reliant on 3pt because we can't get into the paint.
As I wrote a few times already, we just don't have the players who are an actual threat when it comes to collapsing the defense.
Castle can do it, but he's a bad shooter and teams live with it.
Keldon's drives are just a roll of the dice with his tunnel vision.
Devin was always afraid of contact, CP3's legs are gone.
Noone else is relevant when it comes to attacking the paint.

If we had more players who could actually finish their drives instead of just kicking it out, we'd be more efficent.
Take any game, rewatch it and you'll see that a lot of our 3pt attempts are bad shots late in the clock.
We obviously changed our style and other than Wemby's green light most 3pts early in the clock are good shots, but most of the time when the possession breaks down we end up taking bad 3pt shots at the end of it.

As for development, I'm fine with every player who actually has room to growth.
But not having a defensively solid backup big is hurting the team and we need a solution.

[rascal]

We're reliant on 3pt because we can't get into the paint.
As I wrote a few times already, we just don't have the players who are an actual threat when it comes to collapsing the defense.
Castle can do it, but he's a bad shooter and teams live with it.
Keldon's drives are just a roll of the dice with his tunnel vision.
Devin was always afraid of contact, CP3's legs are gone.
Noone else is relevant when it comes to attacking the paint.

If we had more players who could actually finish their drives instead of just kicking it out, we'd be more efficent.
Take any game, rewatch it and you'll see that a lot of our 3pt attempts are bad shots late in the clock.
We obviously changed our style and other than Wemby's green light most 3pts early in the clock are good shots, but most of the time when the possession breaks down we end up taking bad 3pt shots at the end of it.

As for development, I'm fine with every player who actually has room to growth.
But not having a defensively solid backup big is hurting the team and we need a solution.

I saw Devin start to take it to the basket and stop and throw a pass out of bounds towards Keldon standing at the 3 point line instead of taking it strong to the basket. Devin is not a strong finisher. Castle is better going to the basket and finishing. Spurs team lacks offenisve creators and they have to find one in next year's draft.

For this team to take a jump and reach another level there needs to be some upgrades to the roster above the role player types that some in this forum only think the Spurs need.

[scott]

This, in my humble opinion, is Mitch Johnson modernizing the Spurs offense. Only problem? You guessed it, Popovich and co. did not draft/build for this type of game, sad as that fact is considering the Beautiful Game basically was invented by Pop. So we've got a lot of pieces that are square pegs trying to be fit in circular holes IE shooting even though they're streaky, at best.

I feel good for a future where a coach continues this gameplan, but right now, it's gonna be ugly and it will continue to be so until either a) our guys get better at shooting or b) we attain shooters who can play today's style of game.

I agree. I'm okay with some ugly results if it's all part of the modernization of the offense. That's part of development as well - it isn't just about player development, but system development as well. There are some times where we overly defer to the 3 (I recall one drive Devin had last night where he passed up the layup attempt to kick out for 3... which I hate), but I'll chalk it all up to that modernization for now and I'll live with it, even if it results in subpar outcomes.




As for development, I'm fine with every player who actually has room to growth.


I'm hoping that the system development will lead to the FO making obvious, overdue, decisions. If Mitch continues with this modern offense, it should make it apparent that we need different types of players (shooters, people who can actually attack the paint, a better backup big, etc). and that the FO will respond to that.

We'll see though. Right now I'm in a generous mood and willing to give the benefit of the doubt.

[LeBowen]

I'm hoping that the system development will lead to the FO making obvious, overdue, decisions. If Mitch continues with this modern offense, it should make it apparent that we need different types of players (shooters, people who can actually attack the paint, a better backup big, etc). and that the FO will respond to that.

We'll see though. Right now I'm in a generous mood and willing to give the benefit of the doubt.

Tbh, it's obvious that if we're to play this way, most of the roster is still missing.

Wemby is obviously untouchable, Castle is exceeding all expectations as a rookie, but we still have to see if they see him as the primary point guard for the future. If they don't and want another point guard, what happens with Devin? I don't want either Castle or Devin playing SF.
Devin is obviously our most complete scorer, but if he can't stay healthy, what's it good for?
Jeremy has improved by a lot and will definitely be a long term piece, but in what capacity? He's still a non-shooting forward, not many of those feature on playoff teams.
Champagnie will surely be a solid bench piece, others might aswell be gone tomorrow and no tears will be shed.
Barnes isn't that old and can be fine as a backup forward for some more years.
I doubt we'd be able to get one solid FRP for the rest of the roster combined, that's how little value they have.

I named 6 players for the rotation if we're to compete properly, we need at least 3 more serious pieces.
Pieces that fit. (I'm assuming CP3 won't be here next season.)
We need a triple threat 6th man in style of Monk/Sexton/Coby White.
We need a legit high volume, high efficency, 6'8+ forward 3pt shooter.
We need a legit rim protector to back Wemby up.
Without those three players, we're not getting anywhere.

[scott]

Tbh, it's obvious that if we're to play this way, most of the roster is still missing.

Obvious to us... maybe not so obvious to the front office that picked up Branham's option and gave Collins 2/35 :lol


Wemby is obviously untouchable, Castle is exceeding all expectations as a rookie, but we still have to see if they see him as the primary point guard for the future. If they don't and want another point guard, what happens with Devin? I don't want either Castle or Devin playing SF.
Devin is obviously our most complete scorer, but if he can't stay healthy, what's it good for?
Jeremy has improved by a lot and will definitely be a long term piece, but in what capacity? He's still a non-shooting forward, not many of those feature on playoff teams.
Champagnie will surely be a solid bench piece, others might aswell be gone tomorrow and no tears will be shed.
Barnes isn't that old and can be fine as a backup forward for some more years.
I doubt we'd be able to get one solid FRP for the rest of the roster combined, that's how little value they have.

I named 6 players for the rotation if we're to compete properly, we need at least 3 more serious pieces.
Pieces that fit. (I'm assuming CP3 won't be here next season.)
We need a triple threat 6th man in style of Monk/Sexton/Coby White.
We need a legit high volume, high efficency, 6'8+ forward 3pt shooter.
We need a legit rim protector to back Wemby up.
Without those three players, we're not getting anywhere.

Of the three roles you mention needing filling, I actually don't think they are all that difficult to fill if we are being aggressive. If we wanted, we could even fill them right now with a medium level of aggression.

Back up big: Go out and get Jonas for a bunch of SRPs (two for Jonas, probably 3 more to dump Collins)

6'8" forward who can shoot: FRP for Cam Johnson. Might require a second FRP. This is probably the one that will be hardest to fill because you don't want to pay the price. You may decide to wait for the draft here or go for #LauriThread2025

Triple Threat 6th Man: Undoubtedly Sexton and Coby (what about Ayo?) are available. So is Cam Thomas, but he'll end up costing you a lot to keep, and he plays negative levels of defense and is very flawed, probably wants to be a starter.

Jeremy and Devin are actually the two pieces that worry me most. Devin because of his health mostly but there are other concerns that a few of us have discussed in other threads. Jeremy because I don't think he'll ever be able to shoot, so unless Castle develops into a reliable shooter it is going to create problems. I think he can definitely be our "Draymond" in his own way... but it relies on Castle developing that shooting and if Castle doesn't I think he'll still be better than Sochan and you'll want to prioritize Steph over Jeremy.

[Splits]

This just wasn't the game to try to go small because Vucevic has been on a tear and they're actually good at attacking the paint.
My only hope is that PATFO is realizing we just can't compete without a solid backup big.
Collins looks like a dog that needs to be taken behind the shed and dealth with.
Bassey is a decent third stringer gimmick, but I'm not sure he can be an actual backup who can be relied upon to play 15 to 20 minutes each night.

I don't mind seeing Castle chuck every game because his development is the prioriy and the fastest way to do it is by telling him he must shoot in games, but we've got no room for growth with Collins, we need a move to happen because it's impossible to develop anything if your bench unit literally can't function on defense.

Wonder if we can send him to South Dakota, dope him up so he foams at the mouth, and call the governor