Game Thread: Hawks (14-13) at Spurs (13-13) Dec. 19, 2024, 7PM Central time / 3AM Riga time / 3PM Hawaii time

[LeBowen]

Biggest game of the season is coming up.
Lose this one and SpursTalk enters full doomer, fire up the tank mode.
Win and we're back above .500 with Hawks losing obviously being really important for the draft.

Spurs injury report:
Tre and Keldon are probable.
Collins is questionable and better remain out if we're to win this game.

Hawks injury report:
Trae is probable.
Okongwu is out.
Bufkin is out for the season.

Hawks are your usual treadmill team right now. Heliocentric system around their fake star and when they get it going they can beat anyone.
Dead last in the league in 3pt defense, opponents are shooting a staggering 41% against them.
They're also 23rd/24th in 3pt makes/percentage.
Average defensive rebounding with Capela doing his thing on the offensive glass.
Second in the league in steals and this is my biggest worry since Spurs often have those awful quarters with lots of turnovers.
Third in FTA because of Trae, this is actually the game for Wesley. One of Castle/Wesley should always be on Trae and we can just hope the refs don't gift him free throws.

We can get a lot of momentum if we win this game with Portland at home coming up before the holidays road trip starts.

[heyheymymy]

Spurs are well-rested and have every reason to want a win. Let's sweeten this pick.

:flag:

[SpurSpike]

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[exstatic]

Clip the Hawks!

[The Truth #6]

Will be interesting to see them for a full game. I can see them building around Jalen Johnson and Dyson Daniels and then try to pump and dump Trae if he shows he can be more offball than in years past, which I've heard is the case this year.

[TheBallsbreakers]

Let's go!!!

[exstatic]

Will be interesting to see them for a full game. I can see them building around Jalen Johnson and Dyson Daniels and then try to pump and dump Trae if he shows he can be more offball than in years past, which I've heard is the case this year.

He’s shooting .315 from 3, but he’s still putting up over 8 a game. Don’t believe everything you hear.

[spurs10]

Should be a good game. Go Spurs! :toast

[scott]

Okongwu is out.

Dead last in the league in 3pt defense, opponents are shooting a staggering 41% against them.
They're also 23rd/24th in 3pt makes/percentage.
Average defensive rebounding with Capela doing his thing on the offensive glass.


These are the things that stood out to me. Okongwu out is huge, and should play a big factor in the point on rebounding. With Bassey taking Collins minutes and Sochan back, we should be able to dominate the glass in this one.

These 3PT stats concern me, because this has a recipe for the Spurs going 4/35 from 3 while the Hawks put up their season best while we leave their shooters wide open. This has "who the fuck is Garrison Matthews and why did he go for 24 pts" written all over it.

GSG!

[Sugus]

Hawks are your usual treadmill team right now. Heliocentric system around their fake star and when they get it going they can beat anyone.
Dead last in the league in 3pt defense, opponents are shooting a staggering 41% against them.
They're also 23rd/24th in 3pt makes/percentage.
Average defensive rebounding with Capela doing his thing on the offensive glass.
Second in the league in steals and this is my biggest worry since Spurs often have those awful quarters with lots of turnovers.

You should post this to the Atlanta Hawks Pick Watch thread, tbh.

They've been mourning the "basically guaranteed #30 picks" for some weeks now.

[onechance87]

fck u atl

[scott]

Also, appreciate LeBowen thinking of us Hawaii residents who need to plan out their afternoons. Mahalo nui loa!

[timtonymanu]

Hard to tell which Spurs team shows up today, tbh.

[Strategic]

Hard to tell which Spurs team shows up today, tbh. Spurs are better manned, playing at home and well rested. I’m gonna be pretty disappointed if we don’t see the A game.

[RC_Drunkford]

Must win for obvious reasons. Hope our team doesn‘t lay an egg here. Would be nice to win a game without having to come back from being down 20

[Leetonidas]

Must win for obvious reasons. Hope our team doesn‘t lay an egg here. Would be nice to win a game without having to come back from being down 20

Get ready for a 16 point first quarter :lol

[LeBowen]

Keldon hopes he'll play tonight.

[lefty20]

Biggest game we've played in a couple years, tbh.

[quentin_compson]

Biggest game we've played in a couple years, tbh.

If true, that would be truly depressing.

[Guru of Nothing]

Win/Win

[LeBowen]

If true, that would be truly depressing.

I'm sure a couple of those tank-offs to secure top3 odds in Wemby draft were more important. :lmao

[RC_Drunkford]

Keldon hopes he'll play tonight.

so did Vassell and Castle when they wanted to play, but were forced to sit out.

[Seventyniner]

Biggest game we've played in a couple years, tbh.

imo the last NBA Cup game against Phoenix was bigger, cause the Spurs could have made the bracket if they won.

[John B]

I like Castle to shut-down Trae like how he slowed down Curry the last game. Another great defensive showing will help to his ROTY campaign. Let’s go Spurs. Let’s get these overachieving Hawks back to reality. GSG! :flag::flag::flag:

[100%duncan]

The Spurs this year are a 50-50 team, and not talking about the standings. Literally, you don't know which version of the team will show up :lol Still way better than last year but damn

[ace3g]

All players available tonight and Vassell moving back into the SL.

[jjspur]

If Wemby, Devin and Castle show up we have a chance to send the hawks home with a loss. Bring your A game spurs, I think it will be a close one.

[jjspur]

If Wemby, Devin and Castle show up we have a chance to send the hawks home with a loss. Bring your A game spurs, I think it will be a close one. Lets kick Trae to the curb.

[AusSpur]

Full roster available.

The FO want this win too.

[Larry O]

Gonna be interesting to see who the Spurs will have in their SL. Would like for them to continue with what has been working. That lineup has the best success and should have have a good connection and rhythm one another. And hopefully Bassey will continue to come off the bench for V-Dub1. GSG!!!

[lefty20]

imo the last NBA Cup game against Phoenix was bigger, cause the Spurs could have made the bracket if they won.

Eh, losing this game will have a bigger effect on the fans.

I expect multiple threads demanding players and coaches either be traded/fired or launched straight into the Sun if we lose this one.

[scott]

Start 5 tonight:

CP3
Vassell
Sochan
Barnes
Wemby

This is what everyone asked for, let's see how it looks. Don't love that Champ's good work is rewarded with a benching, but I didn't think they'd bench Barnes.

Collins is available. Let's see if Mitch rewards Bassey's good work with a benching as well.

[100%duncan]

Let's hope the game doesn't start 30 mins late tbh

[TekXX]

I guess Fanduel can't do two events at once. Where is the game broadcast?

[heyheymymy]

Daniels leads the NBA in steals

Got to watch the TOs tonight

[heyheymymy]

Love these French players peppered across the league so Wemby gets some French v French head-to-heads throughout the season.

[Ocotillo]

I guess Fanduel can't do two events at once. Where is the game broadcast?

In SA it’s on the CW

[Raven]

benching champ instead of barnes.. honestly ok with it, even though champ is the better player at pretty much everything.. Ok with balancing talent

[baseline bum]

NFW Castle deserved to lose his starting spot

[itzsoweezee]

Moving Champ to the bench seems like a bad idea.

[bbarry]

Where the hell is the game on in Corpus? And why does the tv guide say it's gonna be on Fan Duel but it's not.

[TekXX]

Found the game, it's on the CW in San Antonio

[TekXX]

In SA it’s on the CW

Thanks

[heyheymymy]

lol spurs need 3 nights off after every game

[Raven]

strong start, great D

[TheBallsbreakers]

Great start. Vassell came to play.

[100%duncan]

Wemby starting off hot

[TekXX]

Barnes thrived when everyone was injured now he's back to playing like shit.

[Leetonidas]

Starters looking good so far

[scott]

Looking good so far. This lineup is really well balanced. Barnes is underrated as solid glue for our team.

Wemby’s three ball has looked really good, even on misses, as of late.

Sochan is turning into an OREB monster.

[heyheymymy]

Chris Paul going from Unc to Gramps

[scott]

Bassey first big off the bench. Good sign.

[heyheymymy]

Barnes has had a lid on the rim to start the game tonight

[Guru of Nothing]

Atl games are blocked for my locale on League Pass. Watching Charlotte @Washington. AMA

[TheBallsbreakers]

Missing a lot of bunnies early

[scott]

Risacher gonna foul out in the first half

[heyheymymy]

SA 7 points off 6 ATL TOs

[scott]

Atl games are blocked for my locale on League Pass. Watching Charlotte @Washington. AMA

I have the same issue with Lakers and Clippers games. I turn to crackstreams on an iPad in those situations

[Maddog]

In SA it’s on the CW

Stuck with the Hawks broadcast

[heyheymymy]

BASS MASTER

[Leetonidas]

:lol the sniffers that think Trae Young wouldn't be absolutely lethal next to Wemby

[TekXX]

Risacher was #1? How is he doing?

[skin27]

Risacher was #1? How is he doing?

bust.tbh

[Raven]

Risacher was #1? How is he doing?

probably out for the half with 3 fouls and multiple vaginas pounded

[Pauleta14]

Someone needs to get in Wemby's face and tell him to start rebounding ffs

It's almost a lack of interest at this point

[scott]

Risacher was #1? How is he doing?

He has 3 fouls in like 6 minutes. Of all the Frenchmen in the building tonight, he’s ranking third behind Sidy

[100%duncan]

This team and giving up 3pointers :lol It doesnt matter if youre facing the worst shooting team in the league, nba players will make open shots.

[lefty20]

Bassey blowing some gimmes

[100%duncan]

Cbass just needs to slow down and gather himself sometimes on offense

[Pauleta14]

Risacher was #1? How is he doing?

He already put his family safe for a few generations.

Gets to play bb with zero pressure whatsoever.

Should still be in college.

I think he's fine.

[poopbox]

Could it be. Bassey supplanting Zach as the backup big :wow

[SouthernFried]

How do you watch the game? No Fanduel, No league Pass...what is CW? How do you get it?

[TekXX]

Could it be. Bassey supplanting Zach as the backup big :wow

Not if he plays like this.

[heyheymymy]

How do you watch the game? No Fanduel, No league Pass...what is CW? How do you get it?

topstreams

[scott]

Cbass just needs to slow down and gather himself sometimes on offense

Yep. All things that will come with time. The good news is that is he’s a negative like Collins has been in his minutes

[100%duncan]

:lol whistles again

[TekXX]

How do you watch the game? No Fanduel, No league Pass...what is CW? How do you get it?

I'm getting it with an antenna, if you're local.

[scott]

Could be looking at a Wemby 40-bomb if this doesn’t turn into a complete blowout early

[100%duncan]

Yep. All things that will come with time. The good news is that is he’s a negative like Collins has been in his minutes

The good thing with Bass is that we all don't feel a collective sigh and fear that the teams will just get layups and dunks ala when Collins is in. :lol

The bad thing is that I don't think Bass has a long leash to be making mistakes this much on offense. I certainly do hope so but I don't have that much faith on Mitch yet or especially when Pop comes back.

[poopbox]

Not if he plays like this.

The block he got earlier will have more of an impact on this game than anything Collins has done all season.

[heyheymymy]

Get Champ trained on quick releases against starter caliber defenders and then bring him off the bench and he has starter level release timing against bench level defenders. Could be a smart move.

[Chinook]

Sean is showing his lack of NBA foul knowledge again. Hunter was shooting, so he shoots whether the contact is on him or not.

[100%duncan]

Wemby's passing is elite af

[scott]

The good thing with Bass is that we all don't feel a collective sigh and fear that the teams will just get layups and dunks ala when Collins is in. :lol

The bad thing is that I don't think Bass has a long leash to be making mistakes this much on offense. I certainly do hope so but I don't have that much faith on Mitch yet or especially when Pop comes back.

I’m hopeful the coaching staff will see the missed layups as just part of the growing pains and part of the cost of the increased energy on defense and the boards. Hopefully…..

[100%duncan]

CP has been highkey horrible

[scott]

Well its not going to be a blowout in the second quarter with this bullshit

[Dex]

2 straight lazy turnovers from our 2 PGs lead to 2 straight Atlanta threes :lmao

[Raven]

tre jones with chris paul should be outlawed

[TekXX]

Sometimes the G-league level talent of our guys surface and we look like shit.

[Robz4000]

:lol Spurms

[100%duncan]

Spurms :lol

[TheBallsbreakers]

Chris Paul's age showing.

[heyheymymy]

Hawks on a 13-0 run

[Kawhi Duncan]

Wemby had an open lane and took a stepback 3.. smfh

[Dex]

LeBron: "Everybody is shooting to many fucking threes"

Gee, I wonder why?

[scott]

Have reverted to chucker brickball offense and turned Larry Nance into Larry Bird. Knew this was coming… hopefully we snap out of it with this time out. Zero energy right now. Put in Mamu for a quick boost.

[objective]

2 straight lazy turnovers from our 2 PGs lead to 2 straight Atlanta threes :lmao

100% just embarrassing

[LeBowen]

Yeah, Nance will shoot 100% from 3pt, why not?

CP3 and Tre on the floor together and we can't execute shit.

[100%duncan]

I swear when I watch other games, no one gives up 3 pointers as much as we do. Is there a stat for this? I need to validate my eyetest :lol

[heyheymymy]

DAMN that fan just sunk the half court shot

[Spurs Brazil]

Jones playing and Castle on the bench is stupid. Jones and Paul together doesn’t make sense

[Kawhi Duncan]

Hawks small as shit and Wemby out trying to be Steph... Smh

[scott]

Hopefully homeboy who made a half-court buzzer three during the break brings some energy to this game. Did anyone catch what he won?

[TekXX]

Hawks small as shit and Wemby out trying to be Steph... Smh

What's new?

[100%duncan]

Stupid ass Keldon Johnson doesnt ever pass on his drives :lol fuck this guy honestly

[100%duncan]

Keldog

[scott]

Good response. Thank you fan who made that half court shot.

[Leetonidas]

Jacob Tobey can't handle a little habanero salsa :lol

He and Sean are developing a nice chemistry at least. He'll never be Bill Land but he's growing on me

[Thomas82]

Only 1 rebound for Wemby so far?? Whoa!!

[100%duncan]

Wow Keldon actually passed on a drive? :lol

[skin27]

Wemby 7’3” but only 1 rebound smh

[Spurs Brazil]

Wemby on fire!!!

[100%duncan]

Only 1 rebound for Wemby so far?? Whoa!!

4 threes and 1 rebound. Welcome to the new age.

[TheBallsbreakers]

The sight and sound of Sean and Jacob eating live on TV during a live basketball event is ... just slovenly and abhorrent

[heyheymymy]

Hopefully homeboy who made a half-court buzzer three during the break brings some energy to this game. Did anyone catch what he won?

$10k

[ginobilized]

$10k half court shot

[heyheymymy]

fuck these birds

[scott]

Wemby def going for 40+ tonight

[100%duncan]

Imagine Wemby with that Embiid whistle

[100%duncan]

This kid heckling Trae :lol

[100%duncan]

Cbass for Wemby again. Good sign.

[poopbox]

Man Devin REALLY can't score around the rim

[lefty20]

Castle keeps forcing some tough shots in traffic inside the paint.

[100%duncan]

:lmao

[scott]

Damn, Steph Zaza’d Trae

[LeBowen]

Let's just ignore Capela is moving and preventing Castle from contesting the shot.

[TekXX]

lol is this a kid or a woman i'm hearing?

[Strategic]

lol is this a kid or a woman i'm hearing? Sounds like a fat woman

[scott]

Damn, Castle is looking rough. Almost “in need of a G league stint” bad

[Leetonidas]

Defense is fucking garbage

[100%duncan]

What a joke offense. Just let Wemby let it fly at this point

[poopbox]

Sochan been beyond useless this game. I'm going to be sick watching this dude for the next 7 years

[poopbox]

Sochan OMG :lmao

[Kawhi Duncan]

There is ZERO spacing when Sochan is on the floor... You you can't see that in his box scores...but his affect on the offense isn't good

[scott]

Castle filling the role of Collins and Branham tonight with a -16 (Vassell also a -16 tbh)

[100%duncan]

Damn, Castle is looking rough. Almost “in need of a G league stint” bad

Has regressed when not in the SL. Unfortunately.

[rascal]

Hawks can score off a fast break. The Spurs can't.

[sananspursfan21]

I’m not doomsdaying here, but this team is not as good as their record shows. It’s no last year, but this is rough.

[LeBowen]

This just can't work.
We can't keep acommodating players who don't fit together into these dysfunctional lineups.
Castle and Jeremy can't play together until one of them develops a functional jumpshot. On top of that in their first rotation together they played with Bassey.
Then we lose some more momentum with CP3/Tre duo for whatever reason. No, we don't need two midgets on the floor together.

And these turnovers...there's not a single other team in the league that just gets the ball taken away from them for no reason.

Just -6, Hawks are nothing special, easily winnable game.

[100%duncan]

Got lucky with that last 5 point swing to end the half.


That 6pt swing with the flagrant was brutal.

[100%duncan]

I’m not doomsdaying here, but this team is not as good as their record shows. It’s no last year, but this is rough.

They are looking like a .500 win team. Sometimes they click, sometimes they don't. That's just how it is. The bright point is that even on losses, Wemby is looking at least good. There's that consistency that we're looking for from him.

[Pauleta14]

Sounds like a fat woman

:lol

[Pauleta14]

There is ZERO spacing when Sochan is on the floor... You you can't see that in his box scores...but his affect on the offense isn't good

Spurs fans are in pure coping mode about Sochan. Imo PTFO too.

It's take some time for them to open their eyes

[sananspursfan21]

They are looking like a .500 win team. Sometimes they click, sometimes they don't. That's just how it is. The bright point is that even on losses, Wemby is looking at least good. There's that consistency that we're looking for from him.

Sure, I’m not completely down on them, I still see a lot of things to look forward to in a year or two. But they perform like this more often than not. I don’t know that 13-13 fully describes this team at full health. I’m kind of wondering if their performance during some injuries is an indicator…

[spursistan]

Going back to last year this team has looked better without Sochan. it's just really hard to ignore his awkward fit..

[100%duncan]

Sure, I’m not completely down on them, I still see a lot of things to look forward to in a year or two. But they perform like this more often than not. I don’t know that 13-13 fully describes this team at full health. I’m kind of wondering if their performance during some injuries is an indicator…

I really do see where you're coming from. Time will ultimately tell, I had play-in expectations coming in and so far that has been our pace.

[100%duncan]

One thing to note is that after Dev's hot "start" to the season, he hasn't been able to show the consistency needed from a #2 or heck even a #3 ala MPJ. That has been the main point with him last year as well, aside from his injury history... I really do want Dev to be a mainstay, franchise guy. When he's on, his game is just beautiful. A hooper but an inconsistent hooper so far.

[Pauleta14]

They are looking like a .500 win team. Sometimes they click, sometimes they don't. That's just how it is. The bright point is that even on losses, Wemby is looking at least good. There's that consistency that we're looking for from him.

Nobody is improving, the team has the same deficiencies as last season.

A couple of (useful) vets added doesn't improve the team long term and we're not bad enough to tank.

Wemby isn't even showing real improvements in areas we're all expecting.

Wasted season for now.

[100%duncan]

Nobody is improving, the team has the same deficiencies as last season.

A couple of (useful) vets added doesn't improve the team long term and we're not bad enough to tank.

Wemby isn't even showing real improvements in areas we're all expecting.

Wasted season for now.

Wemby has definitely improved. His passing numbers are a bit down but the quality of his passes have been better. He has go to post moves now, either a quick spin or a fadeway. His shooting is getting there. The rebounding though leaves much to be desired for I give you that.

Rest of the team from last year to this year are either too early to decide on (Vasell and his missed games, or irrelevant to talk about like Wesley, Branham, Jones etc in terms of big picture).

[Pauleta14]

Going back to last year this team has looked better without Sochan. it's just really hard to ignore his awkward fit..

One would think so, right? :lol

You've probably been away from ST for a while I guess

[LeBowen]

Spurs fans are in pure coping mode about Sochan. Imo PTFO too.

It's take some time for them to open their eyes

More like some of you need to open your eyes about the rest of the roster.

We were 20-12 up before first subs.
Jeremy makes the spacing worse, but Trae didn't do shit before he sat, he bullied the Hawks inside and got a couple of offensive rebounds. He's -3.
Castle? 0-5 FG, -14.
Devin? Made his first three shots, 1-6 since, -11. One easy assist for Wemby at the top of the key.
CP3? Didn't even take a single shot, had a couple of horrible turnovers.
Tre? 0s across the board except for 1 assist in 7 minutes, didn't even attempt a shot, either.

Jeremy is a fundamentally flawed player, but he's contributing in every other department.
Others haven't been doing shit.

Mitch needs to stop shoehorning everyone into the rotation if we're to win the game.
There's no need for 3 point guards.

[spursistan]

Spurs fans are in pure coping mode about Sochan. Imo PTFO too.

It's take some time for them to open their eyes
Not a coincidence we have looked like shit since his return. Offense flowed better late last season when he got shutdown with injury.

[skin27]

In before wemby’s bad 2nd half after a good first half. He always play bad in the 2nd half if he had a good 1st half

[benefactor]

Start 5 tonight:

CP3
Vassell
Sochan
Barnes
Wemby

This is what everyone asked for, let's see how it looks. Don't love that Champ's good work is rewarded with a benching, but I didn't think they'd bench Barnes.

Collins is available. Let's see if Mitch rewards Bassey's good work with a benching as well.
Yes, it is terrible this idea

[100%duncan]

More like some of you need to open your eyes about the rest of the roster.

We were 20-12 up before first subs.
Jeremy makes the spacing worse, but Trae didn't do shit before he sat, he bullied the Hawks inside and got a couple of offensive rebounds. He's -3.
Castle? 0-5 FG, -14.
Devin? Made his first three shots, 1-6 since, -11. One easy assist for Wemby at the top of the key.
CP3? Didn't even take a single shot, had a couple of horrible turnovers.
Tre? 0s across the board except for 1 assist in 7 minutes, didn't even attempt a shot, either.

Jeremy is a fundamentally flawed player, but he's contributing in every other department.
Others haven't been doing shit.

Sochan and his spacing are a problem. But he is really far from the worst of our worries. Whether that makes it better or worse, I don't know :lol At this point it is clear that the dude is part of the future.

[sananspursfan21]

One thing to note is that after Dev's hot "start" to the season, he hasn't been able to show the consistency needed from a #2 or heck even a #3 ala MPJ. That has been the main point with him last year as well, aside from his injury history... I really do want Dev to be a mainstay, franchise guy. When he's on, his game is just beautiful. A hooper but an inconsistent hooper so far.

I want Devin to be a mainstay too but his inconsistent jumper has me losing my mind. If I’m Wright, I don’t know how much longer I wait :(

[benefactor]

They have completely fucked up the chemistry. But let's play players who deserve it

[Pauleta14]

Wemby has definitely improved. His passing numbers are a bit down but the quality of his passes have been better. He has go to post moves now, either a quick spin or a fadeway. His shooting is getting there. The rebounding though leaves much to be desired for I give you that.

Rest of the team from last year to this year are either too early to decide on (Vasell and his missed games, or irrelevant to talk about like Wesley, Branham, Jones etc in terms of big picture).

He did indeed, but not where he really needs to, inside the paint, simplifying his game, having go to moves etc

He worse at rebounding and it's a pb bc it seems mental, he doesn't seem to care for it. I link that to (bad) coaching.

His passing was already elite, no idea why some talk about improvements in that area, he can't show it as much bc of CP's arrival. It's about the same to me.

His shooting is streaky and has gotten a bit better thx to better shot selection mostly.

Not THAT great and he's the only bright sight (with Castle's pick)

[sananspursfan21]

I want Devin to be a mainstay too but his inconsistent jumper has me losing my mind. If I’m Wright, I don’t know how much longer I wait :(

Well sure as I talk, he starts warming up

[TheBallsbreakers]

Sochan is probably the most inconsistent finisher I've seen.

[100%duncan]

He did indeed, but not where he really needs to, inside the paint, simplifying his game, having go to moves etc

He worse at rebounding and it's a pb bc it seems mental, he doesn't seem to care for it. I link that to (bad) coaching.

His passing was already elite, no idea why some talk about improvements in that area, he can't show it as much bc of CP's arrival. It's about the same to me.

His shooting is streaky and has gotten a bit better thx to better shot selection mostly.

Not THAT great and he's the only bright sight (with Castle's pick)
I think he's def improved in the bolded, but we'll have to just agree to disagree

[Cardinal]

Jalen Johnson didn’t commit a foul with the off arm?? Wtf?

[LeBowen]

What the fuck is CP3 doing?
Sit his ass down.

[Pauleta14]

Not a coincidence we have looked like shit since his return. Offense flowed better late last season when he got shutdown with injury.

Some think I'm a hater, when I like the kid, but he himself is handicaped by Wemby bc Sochan shines with "simpler" basketball, P&R etc

He's better with Wemby on the bench and would shine with another system (team?)

[100%duncan]

It's things like that why Sochan is part of this future. You just have to hope they figure out the spacing.

[LeBowen]

Some think I'm a hater, when I like the kid, but he himself is handicaped by Wemby bc Sochan shines with "simpler" basketball, P&R etc

He's better with Wemby on the bench and would shine with another system (team?)

Wemby will never be a post player even if we have 4 shooters around him. That's the first truth everyone needs to accept.
Then it's just about if Jeremy is a part of the future regardless of Wemby situation.

[spursistan]

Wemby's lack of improvement on the turnovers this season has been huge disappointment..

[LeBowen]

Like will anyone even notice or write anything against Devin's defense? He constantly gets pulled into the paint for no reason and leaves his man open in the corner.
Barnes is also having a dreadful night.

[lefty20]

So many missed layups this game

[Dex]

We've missed 4-5 bunnies at the rim that would make this game look a lot better.

[100%duncan]

Dev is such a hooper

[LeBowen]

There you go. Trae with a 3pt as soon as Castle checked in.

[Pauleta14]

More like some of you need to open your eyes about the rest of the roster.

We were 20-12 up before first subs.
Jeremy makes the spacing worse, but Trae didn't do shit before he sat, he bullied the Hawks inside and got a couple of offensive rebounds. He's -3.
Castle? 0-5 FG, -14.
Devin? Made his first three shots, 1-6 since, -11. One easy assist for Wemby at the top of the key.
CP3? Didn't even take a single shot, had a couple of horrible turnovers.
Tre? 0s across the board except for 1 assist in 7 minutes, didn't even attempt a shot, either.

Jeremy is a fundamentally flawed player, but he's contributing in every other department.
Others haven't been doing shit.

Mitch needs to stop shoehorning everyone into the rotation if we're to win the game.
There's no need for 3 point guards.


Oh but I agree on the multitude of causes, it's not all bc of Jeremy AT ALL

I just think that even with a better roster, those 2 will never be complementary. I've listed many reasons in another thread and again it's not hating at all, it's frustrating bc of how much he brings on defense, but at some point you can't ignore the balance.

[heyheymymy]

lol Area 15

[BackHome]

Yeah, I think your right and I think things can work out with Wemby and Sochan but you need another 3 point shooter and another guy who can really put pressure on defense by getting to the rim easy

[TheBallsbreakers]

Sochan still CANNOT finish

[edgar]

Victor and Cp3 seem visibly upset at each other this game. Did anyone else notice this?

[100%duncan]

Victor and Cp3 seem visibly upset at each other this game. Did anyone else notice this?

I have noticed Wemby not passing to him in the back court

[BackHome]

Damn the Warriors are down 50+ to the Grizz

[100%duncan]

Stupid fastbreak. This fucking team does not know how to run a fast break.

[LeBowen]

Castle has been horrible as of late.

[spursistan]

In before wemby’s bad 2nd half after a good first half. He always play bad in the 2nd half if he had a good 1st half
Scoreless in the second half :lol.. This what separates him from the league Elite: Consistency. Not there yet.

[Strategic]

Wondering if Castle hit the rookie wall. Not staying focused very well

[TheBallsbreakers]

I get nervous each time Castle drives to the basket. Just relies too much on strength. Gotta be smarter and have more finesse.

[poopbox]

Jeremy actually making that 3 :lmao

[edgar]

Victor was sitting next to Cp3 when he went to the bench and it appeared he was upset. Then he moved seats to the end of the bench, to move away from Cp3 further confirming that something is happening between them this game.

[TheBallsbreakers]

Scoreless in the second half :lol.. This what separates him from the league Elite: Consistency. Not there yet.
Game's not even over yet, you nancy.

[spursistan]

I can forgive anything for Wemby. But 7'4 guy getting 4 rebounds in 24 minutes is absolutely disgusting

[Strategic]

Really Jeremy

[100%duncan]

Bruh?

[Kawhi Duncan]

Sochan has bad hands and incredibly low offensive basketball IQ

[heyheymymy]

lol Spurs arena screen just rebooted

might've been a skit

[Kawhi Duncan]

I can forgive anything for Wemby. But 7'4 guy getting 4 rebounds in 24 minutes is absolutely disgusting

It's very nasty... He is very soft this season... Chucking threes and running from contact... Doesn't fight for rebounds on either end

[TheBallsbreakers]

Why is Wemby not in the floor to start the 4th?

[lefty20]

This is one turrible lineup out there rn

[Pauleta14]

Wemby will never be a post player even if we have 4 shooters around him. That's the first truth everyone needs to accept.
Then it's just about if Jeremy is a part of the future regardless of Wemby situation.

I know and I don't want him to be.

But he needs to be able to do it when needed and needs to start working on it NOW, not when he realise that he can't escape it in the POs...

Sochan acts like an excuse for Vic to remain on the perimeter, at least by default and takes away his rebounding aggressiveness and inside game.

Wemby needs a forward that can switch inside/out with him, which Sochan can't

[LeBowen]

FFS you're an undersized point guard and you airball a wide open corner three.
Just get rid of him, I'm done with this shit.

[TekXX]

Tre airballs and the crowd and announcers go silent lol

[poopbox]

That 3 by Trae holy shit :lmao

Legit airball on the other side of the rim :lmao

[heyheymymy]

this lineup sucks

Jones
Castle
Champ
KJ
Sochan

trying to spare back bigger names for the final stretch but this group is so bad there won't be a final stretch

[Strategic]

Get the damn rebound

[LeBowen]

I know and I don't want him to be.

But he needs to be able to do it when needed and needs to start working on it NOW, not when he realise that he can't escape it in the POs...

Sochan acts like an excuse for Vic to remain on the perimeter, at least by default and takes away his rebounding aggressiveness and inside game.

Wemby needs a forward that can switch inside/out with him, which Sochan can't

Wemby didn't go inside when Jeremy was injured, no matter who he plays with he won't be a post player.

[Spurs Brazil]

WTF with this lineup to start the 4th. Jones, Sochan and Castle can’t shot. Jones has been terrible the whole season.

[Kawhi Duncan]

Everyone is afraid to rebound

[heyheymymy]

it's a fallacy to spare back at the start of the 4th in a close game. Play those big names NOW you can't afford to run filler and sometimes won't get away with it.

[LeBowen]

Mitch paying homage to Pop's favorite Mills/Forbes backcourt with CP3/Tre combo.

[heyheymymy]

guys playing kinda gutless rn

[Kawhi Duncan]

Wemby didn't go inside when Jeremy was injured, no matter who he plays with he won't be a post player.

The point is he could on occasion... He absolutely CANT when Sochan is in... But not just Wemby... NO ONE can drive when Sochan is in because his man helps

[poopbox]

Keldon made a good defensive play and got a steal :wow

I know it's -10 degrees in hell right now:wow

[Leetonidas]

Some of Champagnie's misses are disgusting:lol

[Spurs Brazil]

And now Jones is guarding Young. Terrible job by Johnson

[skin27]

Finally victor attacking the rim against small defenders!!

[LeBowen]

The point is he could on occasion... He absolutely CANT when Sochan is in... But not just Wemby... NO ONE can drive when Sochan is in because his man helps

Yeah, because all of our other players are good inside scorers. Our biggest fucking issue is that noone except Castle ever attacks the rim, even while Jeremy was out.
At least Jeremy fights hard in the paint, bullies smaller wings and gets offensive boards.

[heyheymymy]

man this is a must win game for me

time for coach to insult the players mettle in a time out or something because they are not playing with any fire at all

[Leetonidas]

Holy shit just saw the warriors are getting curb stomped by 50+ against Memphis:lol

[TheBallsbreakers]

Young limping again.

[heyheymymy]

WEMBY with some French on it!

[SPURt]

Damn!!!

[LeBowen]

Why is Keldon checking in now, ffs.

[heyheymymy]

FUCKING NASTY

WEMBY TO SOCHAN!!!!

[lefty20]

Angry Wemby = best Wemby!

[SPURt]

Why can’t they do this every night?

[Kawhi Duncan]

Good things happen when Wemby gets aggressive around the rim

[Strategic]

Maybe Paul told Wemby to take the damn rock inside.

[heyheymymy]

Spurs engage for a stretch of some really solid play. This team can set it in high gear when they lock in.

[100%duncan]

Lets hope they hold on tbh

[TheBallsbreakers]

Wemby taking over.

[Pauleta14]

It's been a while we didn't have a "WOW" moment from Wemby

[Kawhi Duncan]

Yeah, because all of our other players are good inside scorers. Our biggest fucking issue is that noone except Castle ever attacks the rim, even while Jeremy was out.
At least Jeremy fights hard in the paint, bullies smaller wings and gets offensive boards.

Castle absolutely used to attack the rim... So did Keldon... We don't have anyone else who attacks the rim, so not sure who all these great paint scorers are u are referring to

[heyheymymy]

fuck man, Nance is roasting SA from 3

5 triples

[LeBowen]

Castle absolutely used to attack the rim... So did Keldon... We don't have anyone else who attacks the rim, so not sure who all these great paint scorers are u are referring to

That was sarcasm. As obvious as it gets.


For fucks sake and fucking Larry Nance, can we have one normal ending to a game?

[100%duncan]

:lol

[Kawhi Duncan]

Wemby with the dumbass threes again

[Spurs Homer]

Reading this thread you would think the spurs are down by 40

And every spurs player sucks lol

[heyheymymy]

BIG SHOT UNC

[TheBallsbreakers]

Hunter that ugly fuck mean-mugging the Spurs bench haha

[rascal]

Reading this thread you would think the spurs are down by 40

And every spurs player sucks lol

Both teams looking bad. Lots of turnovers

[onechance87]

fck man

[LeBowen]

Look at this shit, this is why noone watches this garbage anymore, every slight touch is a foul.

[Robz4000]

That felt like a dagger tbh.

[rascal]

There is the lock down defender Sochan getting burned.

[Leetonidas]

Wide open three after wide open three... :pctoss

[slick'81]

Cp3!!!

[Leetonidas]

Fucking retard Sochan wtf

[td4mvp2k]

wont be good if they lose this

[heyheymymy]

So sick of this gimmicky bullshit

[onechance87]

stupid d from us wtf

[Robz4000]

:lmao Sochan

[LeBowen]

There is the lock down defender Sochan getting burned.

You fucking moron of course he's going to get burned by a 6'1 guard, he's a 6'8 wing it's not his fault noone else can guard the perimeter.
He enabled us to have good PNR defense because he can switch with Wemby and not every PNR was a given lob. Trae had just one lob with Wemby-Sochan duo defending it.

[skin27]

Stpid foul from sochan