De'Aaron Fox Rumors Suggest a Possible Trade to The Spurs

[Dejounte]

Another tidbit... Jason Timpf basically says that if you said Spurs could get a Shai or another top 5 guy, then it's worth passing up on a guy like Fox, but the drop off between the 10-12th best player in the NBA is substantially smaller than the drop off between the Top 5 guys and the 10-12th best player. Basically how much better of a player can the Spurs reasonably get by waiting for someone else. I think this is also a good point... some folks like to say that "Fox isn't even that good... Luka is a FA in 2026", but Luka isn't going to actually be a FA. Passing up Fox to wait for Luka is like passing up a job that pays you $500k/yr because you're holding out for Apple to call you and offer you the CEO position.


Anyone waiting for Luka in 2026 is a dumbass and is kidding themselves. It's not happening. Fox is our best bet and I'm confident he's going to be a Spur tbh. Just a matter of what we're losing in the process.


I think you’re talking about DPG

it’s devoid of logical reasoning with these guys. Zero realistic solutions provided. Their stance relies on hope and hope alone. You ask them for examples and it’s crickets. Or worse yet, they flame you.

these guys remind me of blind trumpers. Musk infiltrating our government data. Crickets. Tariffs increasing our daily spend… crickets.

[Payote75]

Spurs probably end up with Fox and Valencunios. That's my opinion

[DPG21920]

I think you’re talking about DPG

it’s devoid of logical reasoning with these guys. Zero realistic solutions provided. Their stance relies on hope and hope alone. You ask them for examples and it’s crickets. Or worse yet, they flame you.

these guys remind me of blind trumpers. Musk infiltrating our government data. Crickets. Tariffs increasing our daily spend… crickets.

You’re a dipsh…never mind.

[CorrectCrusader]

Spurs probably end up with Fox and Valencunios. That's my opinion

If that happens I'm changing my pfp

[DPG21920]

CROFL

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[scott]

Castle is Derrick White ish

Yep, that's exactly the comp I used earlier in the thread. Glad others see it the same way, at least as confirmation I'm not crazy :lol

[scott]

Spurs probably end up with Fox and Valencunios. That's my opinion

Pump it into my veins

[scott]

CROFL

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And Dusty Garza ran with it :lol

Like I said earlier, I know that other Spurs reporters (new media) that have purposely "leaked" fake info to see if Garza would run with it, and he has every single time

[100%duncan]

I really hope this deal happens SOON tbh. I feel like this team can really push for a play-in with Fox. Hopefully they dont shit the bed against the Heat at home.


Wemby and Castle need those big game reps.

[scott]

On another note, I asked Kings reddit if any of them knew Alvin Gentry's role and if he would be in the inner circle on a trade, and pretty much universally the response has been "we don't even know what Alvin Gentry does"

[lefty20]

Deal not gonna happen if we can't even reach a 100 pages. Cuz it clearly shows that we don't really want that bad enough.

[100%duncan]

On another note, I asked Kings reddit if any of them knew Alvin Gentry's role and if he would be in the inner circle on a trade, and pretty much universally the response has been "we don't even know what Alvin Gentry does"

Still better than random sources IMO. Alvin Gentry is still in the inner circles of the NBA/Kings for what it’s worth

[Dejounte]

https://x.com/josh810/status/1885834163908972774?s=46

[scott]

https://x.com/josh810/status/1885834163908972774?s=46

STRAIGHT INTO THE VEINS

[DPG21920]

Yep, that's exactly the comp I used earlier in the thread. Glad others see it the same way, at least as confirmation I'm not crazy :lol

Derrick types just fit next to everyone which is great. Would be thrilled if Castle is a more talented Derrick or even equal to

[SpursBills]

If this did end up being something like a 4 team deal, I actually have more faith in Brian Wright executing this compared to someone like Ainge. Wright seems like the kind of GM who tries to keep up good relationships with other GMs around the league, so it's more likely that other GMs are willing to work with him to try and work out a complex deal compared to if he's a guy who just tries to fleece people non-stop.

[z0sa]

Can Wright get this done without the Spurs getting screwed is really the only question.

If he somehow botches it, or it doesn't happen and Fox lands somewhere else which isn't out of the question obviously, will the sniffers finally realize he's not good? Really, his continued job security should rest on getting this done, in my opinion.

[DPG21920]

Sunday feels like a great day for a deal

[baseline bum]

I really hope this deal happens SOON tbh. I feel like this team can really push for a play-in with Fox. Hopefully they dont shit the bed against the Heat at home.


Wemby and Castle need those big game reps.

If this deal happens it's happening Thursday. Kings have no reason to rush this.

[Trueblood]

Derrick types just fit next to everyone which is great. Would be thrilled if Castle is a more talented Derrick or even equal to

Agreed. IMO he’s light years ahead of White in his rookie season. The real only weakness in his game is his efficiency. I believe he has the potential to be a fringe all-star for many years.

[100%duncan]

If this deal happens it's happening Thursday. Kings have no reason to rush this.

They want to remain “competitive.” Keeping good morale and having more time with the new guys asap, especially when they’re in the play-in picture is also important.

[scott]

Sunday feels like a great day for a deal

For real... trade these guys before you force them to pack for a long road trip and then just reroute them to some other city they aren't prepared for. I'm usually not a "let's be the nice guys" type when it comes to trades, but that would just be the decent thing to do :lol


Can Wright get this done without the Spurs getting screwed is really the only question.

If he somehow botches it, or it doesn't happen and Fox lands somewhere else which isn't out of the question obviously, will the sniffers finally realize he's not good? Really, his continued job security should rest on getting this done, in my opinion.

tbh, I think this is a turning point for Wright's job going forward. If he ends up going to another team for a deal we could have comfortably beat, questions should be asked. Super Sniffers will just say that Wemby's not ready to have good teammates. Apparently he needs to win MVP, or ever be inducted into the HOF before any of them think its time to add a Robin to our Batman


If this did end up being something like a 4 team deal, I actually have more faith in Brian Wright executing this compared to someone like Ainge. Wright seems like the kind of GM who tries to keep up good relationships with other GMs around the league, so it's more likely that other GMs are willing to work with him to try and work out a complex deal compared to if he's a guy who just tries to fleece people non-stop.

This is an area I give PATFO some credit. They get heat for being nice guys and doing right by players, but it's important to do for a franchise like San Antonio (and likewise Sacramento, hopefully they are taking notes). We can't afford to be ruthless, because we don't have the market attractiveness to overcome that. Wemby helps, but San Antonio is still a small market team. I firmly believe the way we did Klutch client DJM a solid by sending him to a place he wanted to be (and pair up with another Klutch client in Trae Young) is remembered in high regard by Rich Paul.

Likewise, the Spurs being there to frequently help other teams facilitate their deals certainly helps as well. It's no coincidence that we have a handful of frequent fliers when it comes to trade partners (SAC, MIN, TOR)

[vy65]

If this deal happens it's happening Thursday. Kings have no reason to rush this.

While I agree it probably gets done on Thursday if at all, both teams have an incentive to get it done now and move on/put the distraction behind them

[rascal]

They don't want him. They are going to want picks and you are going to have to give them some. I know you have it drilled in your Boomer head that the draft is the only way to build a contender, but at some point you have to bring in talent that already exists.

I'd rather be a Boomer than a Millenial.

Grew up with the best music and best TV shows 1960s and we played all day outside. We didn't sit around inside playing video games. We were always playing sports outside.

[rjv]

This place will go SCOLA thread if this deal doesn’t happen.

[Trueblood]

I like when the media thinks like us.

Also, can we put to death the narrative Klutch hates us.

I read today something interesting. They pointed out 4 Klutch players that have been linked to the Spurs since Wemby was drafted. They suggested that Paul is trying to get someone there so he has a road to sign Wemby. Makes sense really.

[Trueblood]

Id move Sochan in that trade too...in half a heartbeat...he won't fit with Fox and Castle

Sochan is a guy who needs to be surrounded by shooters. But what we’ve learned from the Spurs is when they have to choose between defense or shooting (perhaps offense in general) they always go defense. Murray, White, Sochan, Vassell, Castle, etc. I believe their basic mindset is that it’s easier to develop a shot than it is to develop good defensive habits. The problem with that mentality is then you have a roster full of guys who can play strong defense but are all working with half broken shots. This roster will need a couple of snipers to be truly rounded out. But those guys always come with defensive liabilities.

[ace3g]

If this trade happens: main reason I'm hoping for multi-team trade, so that we can limit draft picks included and possibly get a change of scenery deal for Zach Collins.

[rascal]

If this trade happens: main reason I'm hoping for multi-team trade, so that we can limit draft picks included and possibly get a change of scenery deal for Zach Collins.

A Multi team trade works better for the Spurs because they didn't want to give up what Sac wanted so they will get away giving up less with a multi team trade.

[Dejounte]

Victor potentially sitting out tonights game per injury report. Victor for fox. Great job brian wright

[stephen jackson]

no one wants collins lmao his contract is the worst in the league

[AusSpur]

Victor potentially sitting out tonights game per injury report. Victor for fox. Great job brian wright

If SAC chucked in a bunch of his favourite dish, pick swaps, I think Brian would be tempted.

[Spurminator]

I'd rather be a Boomer than a Millenial.

Grew up with the best music and best TV shows 1960s and we played all day outside. We didn't sit around inside playing video games. We were always playing sports outside.

I have never seen a more perfect encapsulation of boomers in one post. This is art.

[Mugen]

If BWrong manages to get fleeced in this trade given how much leverage Fox has created for the Spurs....tbh :lol

[DPG21920]

Well, the fact that everyone is available on a back to back probably does not bode well for a trade being imminent

[MannyIsGod]

I'd rather be a Boomer than a Millenial.

Grew up with the best music and best TV shows 1960s and we played all day outside. We didn't sit around inside playing video games. We were always playing sports outside.


lmao. This doesn't surprise me in the least. Boomers are the fucking worst.

[onechance87]

I read today something interesting. They pointed out 4 Klutch players that have been linked to the Spurs since Wemby was drafted. They suggested that Paul is trying to get someone there so he has a road to sign Wemby. Makes sense really.

wonder what happend with trae young.Rumors were strong that he wanted to play with wemby,Then next thing you
know he split from klutch.Wonder what wrong there.

[Dejounte]

DUKE JR BEING AVAILABLE IS ACTUALLY VERY INTERESTING…

[Degoat]

Nothing happens till at the earliest Wednesday. Kings have to wait it out, they don’t have a whole lot of leverage. I can still definitely see things falling thru tho

[Leetonidas]

I'd rather be a Boomer than a Millenial.

Grew up with the best music and best TV shows 1960s and we played all day outside. We didn't sit around inside playing video games. We were always playing sports outside.

Typical boomer :lol I'm a millennial and we played outside growing up. Most of us grew up in the 90s

[DPG21920]

That ATL 25 pick has to be looking mighty enticing to SAC right about now…

[weeks]

Typical boomer :lol I'm a millennial and we played outside growing up. Most of us grew up in the 90s

the main thing that separates us from boomers is the internet. growing up with a source of information that wasn't the tv was a huge difference

[mo7888]

That ATL 25 pick has to be looking mighty enticing to SAC right about now…

I really think the packages we've been discussing using the lesser of 25 picks os what we should stick with, however if they value the pick enough to take it + Devin + Keldon, id be all for moving it.

[SpursBills]

Sochan is a guy who needs to be surrounded by shooters. But what we’ve learned from the Spurs is when they have to choose between defense or shooting (perhaps offense in general) they always go defense. Murray, White, Sochan, Vassell, Castle, etc. I believe their basic mindset is that it’s easier to develop a shot than it is to develop good defensive habits. The problem with that mentality is then you have a roster full of guys who can play strong defense but are all working with half broken shots. This roster will need a couple of snipers to be truly rounded out. But those guys always come with defensive liabilities.

Yeah but I mean, don't your examples sort of prove that drafting defense first and hoping that shot comes around actually works? So far the only guy out of those 5 who looks like he's going to be a terrible shooter is Sochan, and he's still only 21.

Dejounte turned into at least a league-average shooter and toward the end of his spurs tenure was one of the better 2 way guards in the league.
Derrick White is now an above average shooter and one of the best 2 way guards in the league.
Vassell hasn't been shooting well recently, but his problem is on the defensive end of the ball.

Castle's still a rookie, so it's way too early to say.

I'd say drafting defense first guys has worked better than you think, but we're all discouraged by just how bad Sochan's shot has looked. I'd rather have it this way then, say draft Jordan Hawkins, who's shooting poorly AND can't defend. Or Dalton Knecht, who's had decent shooting but can't really stay on the court because of his poor defense.

[BackHome]

That ATL 25 pick has to be looking mighty enticing to SAC right about now…

Can you imagine us trading that pick and the Kings landing the number 1 pick with it?

[Mal]

Can you imagine us trading that pick and the Kings landing the number 1 pick with it?

I would send top 1 protected if possible

[baseline bum]

I'd rather be a Boomer than a Millenial.

Grew up with the best music and best TV shows 1960s and we played all day outside. We didn't sit around inside playing video games. We were always playing sports outside.

Of course anyone would pick white boomer. You grew up with a functional economy, job security, didn't have to go into crazy educational debt for the right to work, and have been pandered to by American politicians for decades so have been largely insulated from the realities of American capitalism that keeps its foot on the throat of millennials and later generations. Plus you'll be dead by the time the shit really hits the fan with global warming.

[baseline bum]

This place will go SCOLA thread if this deal doesn’t happen.

Will go SCOLA anyways

[DPG21920]

Can you imagine us trading that pick and the Kings landing the number 1 pick with it?

No - I argued this and it’s a real decision even if statistically “odds” are not great of this. But it’s not just about odds and all picks in all drafts aren’t equal. This isnt giving up a shot at Risacher here…it’s a shot at Flagg. I would be absolutely sick if SA trades the pick and it ends up being Flagg even though we played the odds.

[scott]

I'm hoping that right now it's just a matter of waiting until the B2Bs are over and haggling over protections.

Go Brian Go

[Spurs Homer]

Sochan is a guy who needs to be surrounded by shooters. But what we’ve learned from the Spurs is when they have to choose between defense or shooting (perhaps offense in general) they always go defense. Murray, White, Sochan, Vassell, Castle, etc. I believe their basic mindset is that it’s easier to develop a shot than it is to develop good defensive habits. The problem with that mentality is then you have a roster full of guys who can play strong defense but are all working with half broken shots. This roster will need a couple of snipers to be truly rounded out. But those guys always come with defensive liabilities.

which MIGHT have made sense when the NBA allowed players to play defense…

which makes trading away a Dillingham still really really stupid….

[ace3g]

Fox first to sub out after 5 minutes in the first :stirpot:

[TXstbobcat]

Fox first to sub out after 5 minutes in the first :stirpot:

well his flight to SA leaves in an hour.

[DPG21920]

I mean, if Im being honest trades of this magnitude are hard and we dont know how pushy Fox and Rich are being with “only SA” stuff. Is he at Kawhi level there (obviously not on Kawhi level because hes not abandoning his team and still playing)?

Plus with so many damn teams that makes odds of a deal less likely.

[mystargtr34]

My max offer is still the same.

Vassell + Keldon + worst of 25 ATL/SAS + worst of 27 ATL/SAS + 25 CHI + return 31 SAC swap + couple SRP

Pretty good haul for Sacramento and Spurs keep upside of 25 and 27 picks. Worst of 25 and 27 will likely be Spurs picks which will likely be outside the lottery. Gives the Kings some leverage to deal with Chicago.

That 2031 swap has pretty good value though so you might try keep that if your the Spurs but Sac will no doubt want it back. Maybe you remove the 27 pick or the Bulls pick if that’s the case.

[ace3g]

Fox back in...

[BatManu20]

Kinda goes without saying, but De'Aaron's burst in transition is special. Would easily be our fastest PG since prime TP.

[Spurs Homer]

Never could find this game here in austin…on tv…

[Trueblood]

wonder what happend with trae young.Rumors were strong that he wanted to play with wemby,Then next thing you
know he split from klutch.Wonder what wrong there.

I would speculate that Paul was pushing him to SA (and to his credit I think he wanted to go based on his Wemby comments). But after the full court press the Spurs turned it down Young was embarrassed and fired Klutch because of how he felt they didn’t come through. He could fire them and save face acting like that was all them and that he never wanted to leave. It’s got to take a hit on his pride. How many articles were written about his defensive liabilities? About his empty stats and failure to lead his team? And they even started talking again about the draft day failure of Atlanta not getting Luka. Dude has paper thin skin and couldn’t handle the criticism and rejection so Klutch had to go.

[BatManu20]

Fox just air-balled a wide open 3 :lol

[scott]

Fox just air-balled a wide open 3 :lol

Spurs material already, tbqh

[mo7888]

If this does end up being a 3 or 4 team deal with Atlanta involved, I'd love to get Garrison Matthews from Atlanta.

[BatManu20]

Kings down by 30 at half at home to OKC. Can't tell me the trade rumors aren't fucking with their locker room tbh.

Fox with 12/2/2 on 4/8 FG at half

[benefactor]

I have never seen a more perfect encapsulation of boomers in one post. This is art.
:lol indeed

And I always assumed most of the posters here that aren't obvious boomers were Gen X tbh. I loved growing up Gen X. I feel like we got the best of everything

[Spurminator]

:lol indeed

And I always assumed most of the posters here that aren't obvious boomers were Gen X tbh. I loved growing up Gen X. I feel like we got the best of everything

I'm a proud member of Gen X myself but I have to admit that far too many of our older brethren are starting to sound a LOT like boomers these days (and unfortunately voting that way as well).

[SpursGenius]

My max offer is still the same.

Vassell + Keldon + worst of 25 ATL/SAS + worst of 27 ATL/SAS + 25 CHI + return 31 SAC swap + couple SRP

Pretty good haul for Sacramento and Spurs keep upside of 25 and 27 picks. Worst of 25 and 27 will likely be Spurs picks which will likely be outside the lottery. Gives the Kings some leverage to deal with Chicago.

That 2031 swap has pretty good value though so you might try keep that if your the Spurs but Sac will no doubt want it back. Maybe you remove the 27 pick or the Bulls pick if that’s the case.
Nope. Too much.

[mo7888]

:lol indeed

And I always assumed most of the posters here that aren't obvious boomers were Gen X tbh. I loved growing up Gen X. I feel like we got the best of everything

I agree with this statement

[SpursGenius]

Fox just air-balled a wide open 3 :lol
30 percent three shooter. What do you expect. He gets his points chunking up 20 plus shots a game.

[Strategic]

I'd rather be a Boomer than a Millenial.

Grew up with the best music and best TV shows 1960s and we played all day outside. We didn't sit around inside playing video games. We were always playing sports outside.Sounds about like my childhood 60’s/70’s. After school or summer, only reasons I was ever inside was I was in trouble or I was eating. lol. Loved mowing the neighborhood yards and making a few bucks of my own.

[scott]

:lol indeed

And I always assumed most of the posters here that aren't obvious boomers were Gen X tbh. I loved growing up Gen X. I feel like we got the best of everything

Yeah... unfortunately our generation has turned into one of insufferable MAGA fucks

[palangi]

Yeah... unfortunately our generation has turned into one of insufferable MAGA fucks
Better than being a commi fuck

[TekXX]

Better than being a commi fuck

Commi? You must be old.

[benefactor]

Yeah... unfortunately our generation has turned into one of insufferable MAGA fucks
Oh I know bro. I live in East Texas:lol

[benefactor]

Commi? You must be old.
Not necessarily. It's a Magatard throw away word. They don't even actually know what it means.

[scott]

Kings fans on Reddit fed up and done with Fox after their blowout loss to OKC

Spurs lose a heartbreaker without Wemby while Vasselline and Sochan play like shit for the second consecutive night.

The time is now.

[CorrectCrusader]

:lol indeed

And I always assumed most of the posters here that aren't obvious boomers were Gen X tbh. I loved growing up Gen X. I feel like we got the best of everything

I am 23 years old

[palangi]

Oh I know bro. I live in East Texas:lol
Sure do, and you nail it you commi bastard

[mo7888]

Kings fans on Reddit fed up and done with Fox after their blowout loss to OKC

Spurs lose a heartbreaker without Wemby while Vasselline and Sochan play like shit for the second consecutive night.

The time is now.

Keep it simple... Devin + Sochan + worst of our 25 pick + chicago + our 27 for Fox

[palangi]

Not necessarily. It's a Magatard throw away word. They don't even actually know what it means.
If it sounds like a duck and walks like a duck it must be a duck

[z0sa]

If it sounds like a duck and walks like a duck it must be a duck

And if it sieg heil's like a Nazi, it's a Nazi. Musk is a Nazi then, right?

[Thomas82]

Who now wears jersey #5? Will there be a new Area 51?

I would imagine Fox wearing 0, his college number.

[palangi]

And if it sieg heil's like a Nazi, it's a Nazi. Musk is a Nazi then, right?
Then so is Obama. The commi god

[z0sa]

Then so is Obama. The commi god

:lol you love Nazis. Also, still shots of people you hate raising their arms so you don't have to confront your legendary confirmation bias doesn't count as a sieg heil, no matter how desperately you want them to.

You're walking and looking and quacking a lot like a Nazi right now. You don't love sieg heiling Nazis like Musk, do you? Because then you'd be a Nazi as well, of course.

[palangi]

:lol you love Nazis. Also, still shots of people you hate raising their arms so you don't have to confront your legendary confirmation bias doesn't count as a sieg heil, no matter how desperately you want them to.

You're walking and looking and quacking a lot like a Nazi right now. You don't love sieg heiling Nazis like Musk, do you? Because then you'd be a Nazi as well, of course.
And here is the commi favorite thing to call conservatives, Nazi. Shit got old. Your media still tries to push it. But please continue it. We’ll whip your asses again next election year. Tired played song by the commi left.

[z0sa]

And here there the commi favorite thing to call conservatives, Nazi. Shit got old. Your media still tries to push it. But please continue it. Well whip your asses again next election year. Tired played song by the commi left.

Don't change the subject, punk. Your Musk is walking, quacking and looking like a Nazi. Your words, your terminology, but :cry only the OTHER guys get to be what I decide :cry

This much stupid should hurt.

[palangi]

Don't change the subject, punk. Your Musk is walking, quacking and looking like a Nazi. Your words, your terminology, but :cry only the OTHER guys get to be what I decide :cry

This much stupid should hurt.
Please don’t change. The shtick is working great for us. Keep showing your tolerance, lefty

[z0sa]

Please don’t change. The shtick is working great for us. Keep showing your tolerance, lefty

:lol can't answer a simple question about Musk walking, looking and quacking like a Nazi. Immediately change the subject, ignore the colloquialism you just used, and blame the media for Musk sieg heiling. My job here is finished.

[barakz21]

I am 23 years old

Er.. as a millennial here, and idk about our generation having the best of EVERYTHING, but I do feel we had the best of both worlds. We were old school enough to have played outside, but modern enough to have been able to keep up with the times in terms of technology. I have to say though, it does seem like the time is coming where we’re no longer able to keep up. Or at least “I” am am no longer able to lol.

[TheBallsbreakers]

Er.. as a millennial here, and idk about our generation having the best of EVERYTHING, but I do feel we had the best of both worlds. We were old school enough to have played outside, but modern enough to have been able to keep up with the times in terms of technology. I have to say though, it does seem like the time is coming where we’re no longer able to keep up. Or at least “I” am am no longer able to lol.
So you were at least 10 years old when you joined the site?

[RC_Drunkford]

Now that this thread has turned into a political discussion once again, it will definitely reach over 100 pages :lol

[scott]

Keep it simple... Devin + Sochan + worst of our 25 pick + chicago + our 27 for Fox

I'd even be willing to make the 27 pick the Best Of

[Mr. Body]

And here is the commi favorite thing to call conservatives, Nazi. Shit got old. Your media still tries to push it. But please continue it. We’ll whip your asses again next election year. Tired played song by the commi left.

All conservatives are Nazis. Hell, one of the major theoreticians of the modern conservative movement, Carl Shmidt, was a member of the Nazi party.

And Elon Musk is throwing up Nazi salutes and supporting the successor of the Nazi Party in Germany. If you're conservative right now, you're a Nazi.

Also, we should never trade Castle.

[tim_duncan_fan]

Please don’t change. The shtick is working great for us. Keep showing your tolerance, lefty

Who is "us?"

People who are attracted to Trump and Musk fall into camps of 3 most-favored things, often multiple of the 3:

1. Epsteinism/Paedophilia

2. General sexual assault

3. Racism


Which one(s) are you?



Annnnnyways. Tonight's game reminded me that the team needs more capability on offense.

Still wouldn't overpay for Fox though, I don't think. If we kept all our picks and waited for Fox to hit FA, I wouldn't be mad.

[scott]

I'll go ahead and say this. We may or may not trade for Fox now. We may or may not trade for Fox in the offseason.

But I do believe based on seeing Sad Keldon, Disappearing Devin and Shitty Sochan over the last two nights, that the front office is legitimately exploring options to make this team better because they see the writing on the wall (written in giant, fluorescent neon painted letters as it were). And that at least gives me more confidence I've had in them in awhile. And that feels good.

Hopefully Wemby is feeling better.

[rascal]

And here is the commi favorite thing to call conservatives, Nazi. Shit got old. Your media still tries to push it. But please continue it. We’ll whip your asses again next election year. Tired played song by the commi left.

Go post in the political section. Get out of the Fox thread.

[onechance87]

I'll go ahead and say this. We may or may not trade for Fox now. We may or may not trade for Fox in the offseason.

But I do believe based on seeing Sad Keldon, Disappearing Devin and Shitty Sochan over the last two nights, that the front office is legitimately exploring options to make this team better because they see the writing on the wall (written in giant, fluorescent neon painted letters as it were). And that at least gives me more confidence I've had in them in awhile. And that feels good.

Hopefully Wemby is feeling better.

alot of us saw the writing on the wall last year.Majority of us called it about branham and wesley.Yet we still picked up
their option on them to bring em back for next year.

[MannyIsGod]

I'm a proud member of Gen X myself but I have to admit that far too many of our older brethren are starting to sound a LOT like boomers these days (and unfortunately voting that way as well).

Born in 80 so I feel right between the two so I claim elder Millenial. Gen X is almost as trash as boomers.

[rascal]

alot of us saw the writing on the wall last year.Majority of us called it about branham and wesley.Yet we still picked up
their option on them to bring em back for next year.

Spurs said they wanted to see what we had and basically just added a couple of role player level vets with Paul likely only here a short time and ran back the same team after the same 22 win season as the previous year.

[stnick2261]

Good lord...it's bad enough the other thread became political.... I'm refreshing this one to get some decent news and have to read this shit

[cutewizard]

We could use a Time traveler right now hahahaha

[DPG21920]

Has to be a hack but if not going to be funny in the context of everyone saying Luka wont be moved :lol

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[baseline bum]

Then so is Obama. The commi god

I missed the part where Obama made private property illegal and seized the factories to give to the workers, but guess I don't know American history at the level of Trumpers.

[DPG21920]

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[DPG21920]

So funny how so many in here said I was “irrational” for even suggesting SA wait for someone like Luka lmao

[Obstructed_View]

Trade for Fox, schedule his surgery immediately and tank yet again. This is not a serious team in any way. They're not really an NBA team without Timmy.

[barakz21]

So you were at least 10 years old when you joined the site?

oof. 20, i think. In my 30s now so yeah, been a while.

my back and knees just hurt while typing that.

[rankingtear]

First WTF second new Herb commercial without DV and KJ only Sochan-Wemby.

[scott]

alot of us saw the writing on the wall last year.Majority of us called it about branham and wesley.Yet we still picked up
their option on them to bring em back for next year.

My brother, I am with you but let us look forward. It is a new day and we may soon be exercised of these demons.

[scott]

Has to be a hack but if not going to be funny in the context of everyone saying Luka wont be moved :lol

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It's on ESPN's Front Page right now

[benefactor]

Born in 80 so I feel right between the two so I claim elder Millenial. Gen X is almost as trash as boomers.
I'm 78 and I hear ya.

So many people I know and used to respect in my age group have become willfully ignorant. They have completely lost interest in critical thought. I can't even have a neutral conversation with them

[scott]

So funny how so many in here said I was “irrational” for even suggesting SA wait for someone like Luka lmao

What would waiting get you? He still won't be hitting free agency in 2026, and we don't have an Anthony Davis to send to Dallas. The irrationality still stands.

[NASpurs]

WTF is this real life? WTF is going on with Luka. I'm in disbelief and need to be slapped.

[scott]

Who's the dude who always posts in here everytime we play Dallas that "We have Luka, you don't". I feel bad for him.

[100%duncan]

Luka??????

[Gandalf]

It's on ESPN's Front Page right now

Davis is Mr. Glass, is 31, and as a big will only get worse. Yes, we have the Mavs’ unprotected pick in 2030, but this is the Pau Gasol BS all over again. Lakers get everything. NBA is rigged.

[DPG21920]

What would waiting get you? He still won't be hitting free agency in 2026, and we don't have an Anthony Davis to send to Dallas. The irrationality still stands.

:lol

[DPG21920]

What would waiting get you? He still won't be hitting free agency in 2026, and we don't have an Anthony Davis to send to Dallas. The irrationality still stands.

It’s not about “waiting” as you know. The entire point is guys become “surprisingly” available all the time. It’s just extra funny since everyone here said so adamantly that Luka would never not sign his supermax.

Just laugh at it my friend.

[Obstructed_View]

Who's the dude who always posts in here everytime we play Dallas that "We have Luka, you don't". I feel bad for him.

He's a little fat Oriental retard. Everyone feels bad for him.

[scott]

It’s not about “waiting” as you know. The entire point is guys become “surprisingly” available all the time. It’s just extra funny since everyone here said so adamantly that Luka would never not sign his supermax.

Just laugh at it my friend.

It's definitely wild! Definitely gonna be laughing for days at the Mavericks. Man, it must suck to be a Dallas sports fan. Imagine having to root for Jerry Jones and the team that traded Luka.

Our DAL31 Swap just got even sweeter.

[DPG21920]

It's definitely wild! Definitely gonna be laughing for days at the Mavericks. Man, it must suck to be a Dallas sports fan. Imagine having to root for Jerry Jones and the team that traded Luka.

Our DAL31 Swap just got even sweeter.

This makes no sense wow:

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[slick'81]

Lucky ass lakers

[Leetonidas]

So does this change the price for Fox? It's wild to think that the 3rd or 4th best player in the NBA got traded for an aging Davis and a 2029 1st + salary filler

[Obstructed_View]

So does this change the price for Fox? It's wild to think that the 3rd or 4th best player in the NBA got traded for an aging Davis and a 2029 1st + salary filler
If I'm a seller, my price doesn't change just because the Mavericks are stupid.

[DPG21920]

Fucking lakers man. Lebron bails them out and then as hes about to retire Mavs CALL THEM UP WITHOUT PROMPT AND JUST OFFER UP LUKA FOR THEIR NEXT 10 YEARS LMAO

[The Truth #6]

Seriously. Who was that role player on the Knicks who got traded for like 4 FRPs? Was that a better return?

[scott]

Well, now's the time to pull the trigger on Fox, tbh :lol

[MannyIsGod]

"If Luka only gets 1 frp then Fox gets 2 SRP" BW probably

[Cardinal]

Fucking lakers man. Lebron bails them out and then as hes about to retire Mavs CALL THEM UP WITHOUT PROMPT AND JUST OFFER UP LUKA FOR THEIR NEXT 10 YEARS LMAO

absolutely infuriating

[Manu20]

Now whatever trade package the Spurs offer will look like an overpay thanks to the Mavericks :lol

[ixiXSolidXixi]

That 2030 Mavs pick is going to be so good! ��

[Gandalf]

Fucking lakers man. Lebron bails them out and then as hes about to retire Mavs CALL THEM UP WITHOUT PROMPT AND JUST OFFER UP LUKA FOR THEIR NEXT 10 YEARS LMAO

This is corruption; like Pau Gasol, a franchise player, he was traded to the Lakers behind closed doors without even shopping him around to see what the best offer was. Incompetence doesn’t explain this. Bribery doesn’t even explain this. Blackmail?! NBA is rigged for the Lakers, and always will be. Enjoy Wemby while you can, before we trade him for Austin Reaves.

[Rosewood]

Well, now's the time to pull the trigger on Fox, tbh :lol this is the anti-Gobert trade :lol

[100%duncan]

Well, now's the time to pull the trigger on Fox, tbh :lol

Lakers already trumping our would be major trade (if it even happens) :lmao

[Spurs Homer]

Lakers already trumping our would be major trade (if it even happens) :lmao

its not over…maybe fox goes to the lakers also…for ..another scrub…

[100%duncan]

its not over…maybe fox goes to the lakers also…for ..another scrub…

At this point, it wouldnt surprise me anymore. This Luka trade is #1 bullshit trade in NBA history. Old heads, remind me if there was such bad of a fleece of this magnitude. This is worse than the PG trade (considering Kawhi came with it)

[DPG21920]

:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao




Are you sure you're a sane individual?
Yeah, we'll keep that Hawks pick with 6% odds, then wait for Luka to become a free agent in 2026 and then we'll trade for Ant with our 20131 Minnesota swap.

I just can't, I give up.

Luka is going to sign a massive extension this summer, there's no indication he wants to leave.
Minnesota will probably crumble soon, but it's going to be at least 2 more years before Edwards asks out.
And when he does, it's going to cost the entire franchise including the new practice facility to get thim.

Trae isn't good enough, Lauri decided to stay with Utah.
I'd also prefer Lauri to Fox, but it won't happen.

Have to admit the timing is pretty funny here…

[murpjf88]

Both LeBron and Luka are stat padderss and known ball stoppers. It will be interesting to see how those two players can co-exist. The defense will be atrocious.

[Seventyniner]

I don't buy the argument that the Doncic trade doesn't matter at all in terms of superstar availability.

Yes, the Spurs didn't have the assets that the Mavs wanted. That's not the point. A top 5 player was available when nobody thought he would be. It could happen again and it would be of great advantage to the Spurs to be ready for just such a possibility.

That doesn't mean stand pat forever in hopes that this top 5 player magically becomes available, but it does mean caution with the war chest is warranted.

[Pauleta14]

I don't buy the argument that the Doncic trade doesn't matter at all in terms of superstar availability.

Yes, the Spurs didn't have the assets that the Mavs wanted. That's not the point. A top 5 player was available when nobody thought he would be. It could happen again and it would be of great advantage to the Spurs to be ready for just such a possibility.

That doesn't mean stand pat forever in hopes that this top 5 player magically becomes available, but it does mean caution with the war chest is warranted.

The last thing you want for Wemby is to get a player like Luka next to him...

The plan is ball movement.

[DPG21920]

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[spursistan]

Well, now's the time to pull the trigger on Fox, tbh :lol
PATFO still thinking Championship windows are open forever as if this still it Tim Duncan's NBA :lol

You just never know what kind of bad luck or stupidity that ends it all :lol

[Teamduncan21]

Both LeBron and Luka are stat padderss and known ball stoppers. It will be interesting to see how those two players can co-exist. The defense will be atrocious.

Lebron is retiring. But Lakers will remain relevant if Luka is not like super fat or injured

[Ice009]

WTF is that Luka trade real? Why the hell would the Mavericks trade him?

[scott]

That comment tho :lol

https://i.redd.it/7cy71ylb1oge1.jpeg

[DPG21920]

Fox will be the best PG in the Southwest Divison now for sure

[spurraider21]

Well, now's the time to pull the trigger on Fox, tbh :lol
in this market, CP3 and a 1st gets it done tbh :lol

[cutewizard]

Waiting for the Fox News from Area 51

The trade that matters!!!!!

[scott]

If Fox gets done it will be the biggest trade acquisition in Spurs history since Gervin and it will be with such an epic whimper around the league now :lol

Kind of works out for how we like to operate though, tbh

[cutewizard]

That comment tho :lol

https://i.redd.it/7cy71ylb1oge1.jpeg


.................

As Captain Picard would say, "make it so"

[cutewizard]

Fox arrival in

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2
3.........

Hehehe

[heyheymymy]

Then so is Obama. The commi god

MAGA Republicans linked to RUSSIAN leader Putin who is a former Soviet intelligence officer so who's the commie now?

[palangi]

MAGA Republicans linked to RUSSIAN leader Putin who is a former Soviet intelligence officer so who's the commie now?
Please somebody inform this legacy media watching fool…

[Mal]

Dallas 28 swap, ATL 25 pick become so much more valuable

[LeBowen]

Have to admit the timing is pretty funny here…

You really want me to start pulling your horrible homer takes from this season?

This is the most shocking trade in NBA history, don't try to be a smartass.

[Ice009]

Dallas 28 swap, ATL 25 pick become so much more valuable

Is the Dallas swap 2028? I thought it was later?

[mystargtr34]

Is the Dallas swap 2028? I thought it was later?

It’s 2030. That 2028 one is with Boston top 1 protected.

[Mal]

Is the Dallas swap 2028? I thought it was later?

It's 2030, my bad, but thats even better

[Bruno]

What should lower a little Fox trade value is that their are tons of very good playmaking guards in the NBA: SGA, Doncic, Curry, Brunson, Mitchell, Ja Morant, Booker, Fox, Irving, LaMelo Ball, Haliburton, Lillard, Cunningham, Trae Young, Maxey, Garland, Harden, Jamal Murray, Tyler Herro...

That's the most stacked position in the NBA right now. Fox is a damn good player but he might not even be a top 10 point/combo guard.

[Mal]

Thank god there wasnt any bidding war on Luka, shit would be crazy

[heyheymymy]

Yeah, not sure if this is the kind of trade to point to as evidence Luka was ever more gettable than initially thought. Do you really believe this lopsided of a Luka trade was just an unplaced phone call away for San Antonio?

[Mnky]

Did all the professional analyst who post pages worth of arguments that 2026 wasn't worth saving for because Luka was never leaving owned up to being completly clueless yet or nah?

Cracks me up how passionate people get arguing about things they're completely oblivious about. :lol

[LeBowen]

Did all the professional analyst who post pages worth of arguments that 2026 wasn't worth saving for because Luka was never leaving owned up to being completly clueless yet or nah?

Cracks me up how passionate people get arguing about things they're completely oblivious about. :lol

And it cracks me up how you people who don't follow shit around the league now think you're smartasses because an unprecedented outlier happened.

[cutewizard]

Where is the Fox in the Horizon

Where is the Fox in the horizon's glow,
A silhouette against the setting sun's show?
He moves with a grace that whispers of old,
A tale spun in gold, a story retold.
In the quiet of dusk, where shadows play,
He weaves through the night, leading the way.
His eyes, sharp as stars, pierce through the veil,
A cerebral dance, no fear of derail.
The court is his canvas, the game his art,
Each pass a stroke, each move a fresh start.
In his paws, the pulse of the game beats strong,
A melody of strategy, where he belongs.
He sees the unseen, the spaces between,
A maestro of moments, never routine.
With cunning and wit, he crafts the unseen,
A playmaker's dream, a Basketball's serene.
His presence is felt, a whisper, a breeze,
Guiding his team with uncanny ease.
In his shadow, they find their way,
To victories bright, day after day.
The Fox in the horizon, a symbol of lore,
A cerebral playmaker, forever more.
His legacy etched in the hearts that he leads,
In the realm of the hoops, he plants his seeds.
So, where is the Fox? In the whispers of night,
Crafting the future, turning wrongs into right.
A beacon of hope, a leader so bright,
In the horizon's embrace, he shines with pure light.

[SupremeGuy]

MAGA Republicans linked to RUSSIAN leader Putin who is a former Soviet intelligence officer so who's the commie now?So they're Russian today? Ok. Looks like the calender has Nazis tomorrow until Wednesday. Then Zionists the rest of the Week. Which schedule are you using?

[SupremeGuy]

Like others have already said, the Luka trade could have indirectly helped the Spurs.

[heyheymymy]

So they're Russian today? Ok. Looks like the calender has Nazis tomorrow until Wednesday. Then Zionists the rest of the Week. Which schedule are you using?

MAGA Republicans are Russian when they take Russian money and they're nazis when they make nazi salutes. They're both when they do both.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Tenet_Media_investigation

[buttsR4rebounding]

There once was a point guard named Fox
Who put the King in a box
The King, he did fear
The Fox escape did draw so near
He got swapped for 2 random jocks

[buttsR4rebounding]

So they're Russian today? Ok. Looks like the calender has Nazis tomorrow until Wednesday. Then Zionists the rest of the Week. Which schedule are you using?

Dude, you are arguing with someone whose leaders are a senile old fool and a woman who can’t string 3 sentences together without a script. There are now more registered independents than Dems. They are irrelevant. Take the W and enjoy. It’s like arguing with a 3 year old that is time to go to bed. You know it’s past their bedtime. Just leave them in their room to cry themself to sleep. It’s for their own good.

[Bill_Brasky]

Dude, you are arguing with someone whose leaders are a senile old fool and a woman who can’t string 3 sentences together without a script. There are now more registered independents than Dems. They are irrelevant. Take the W and enjoy. It’s like arguing with a 3 year old that is time to go to bed. You know it’s past their bedtime. Just leave them in their room to cry themself to sleep. It’s for their own good.

How are those egg prices, retard?

[mo7888]

How are those egg prices, retard?

Avg egg prices in December of 2024 $4.15/dozen

Avg egg prices in January of 2021 $1.47/dozen

I don't care about anybody's politics, and really wish everyone would just take it to the political board, but if we're going to use something 'objective' as a standard at least use it correctly, or maybe just use a 'subjective' standard so y'all can argue to your hearts content.

[CGD]

Avg egg prices in December of 2024 $4.15/dozen

Avg egg prices in January of 2021 $1.47/dozen

I don't care about anybody's politics, and really wish everyone would just take it to the political board, but if we're going to use something 'objective' as a standard at least use it correctly, or maybe just use a 'subjective' standard so y'all can argue to your hearts content.

And, they’re $5.80 today, largely driven by the months long impact of the Avian Flu on culling of the birds. I do wonder what impact tariffs with have on prices overall, though.

Anyway, about Fox…

[buttsR4rebounding]

How are those egg prices, retard?

:cry:cry:cry

[mo7888]

And, they’re $5.80 today, largely driven by the months long impact of the Avian Flu on culling of the birds. I do wonder what impact tariffs with have on prices overall, though.

Anyway, about Fox…

That's correct and I wonder the same thing re: tarrifs (I'm a free trade guy myself).

Does the Luka trade impact anything we're trying to do? My guess is that the only impact in our direction is that we may not be willing to include the Dallas swap in any trade now and maybe not the Minnesota pick/swap.

[Ice009]

I wonder with all these developments if Brian Wright is going to be less willing to trade some of these picks now than he might have been before all this happened (Atlanta's injuries, Dallas trading Luka). He might end up telling the Kings the only pic(k)s he'll throw in are dick pics.

[mystargtr34]

I wonder with all these developments if Brian Wright is going to be less willing to trade some of these picks now than he might have been before all this happened (Atlanta's injuries, Dallas trading Luka). He might end up telling the Kings the only pic(k)s he'll throw in are dick pics.

😂😂😂😂😂 damn Ice

[slick'81]

Sacramento will get vassell,kj and our worst first :hungry: and like it

[CGD]

That's correct and I wonder the same thing re: tarrifs (I'm a free trade guy myself).

Does the Luka trade impact anything we're trying to do? My guess is that the only impact in our direction is that we may not be willing to include the Dallas swap in any trade now and maybe not the Minnesota pick/swap.

Immediate implications to my mind:

1. Wow, that Dallas swap looks tasty now

2. If LAL strikes out on trades for C replacements, can Zollins come into play?

3. They’re not in the same class, but I wonder if it weakens SACs asking price seeing how low Luka went for?

4. Looking at their capsheet, it’s clear spurs were targeting the 2026 free agency class. i think Luka had to be near their top of the list. Does this change their strategy any (ie willingness to take longer term money)?

[mo7888]

Immediate implications to my mind:

1. Wow, that Dallas swap looks tasty now

2. If LAL strikes out on trades for C replacements, can Zollins come into play?

3. They’re not in the same class, but I wonder if it weakens SACs asking price seeing how low Luka went for?

4. Looking at their capsheet, it’s clear spurs were targeting the 2026 free agency class. i think Luka had to be near their top of the list. Does this change their strategy any (ie willingness to take longer term money)?

All great points. I especially like #2. I also wonder who else might be available now to add to to Wemby + Fox if we look at it through the lens of your #4.

[Biggems]

Well, that Luka trade, sure makes pur desperation Nephew trade look like one of the best this century.

[Degoat]

Went down highlight rabbit hole… I want Fox bad lol

[Dverde]

Well, that Luka trade, sure makes pur desperation Nephew trade look like one of the best this century.

Spurs did their trade in the middle of the night to stop Nephew’s team from blowing it up. Mavs did it so their fans wouldn’t blow it up :lol

[DPG21920]

You really want me to start pulling your horrible homer takes from this season?

This is the most shocking trade in NBA history, don't try to be a smartass.

Just say you were wrong and laugh. Not that serious.

[DPG21920]

Spurs now have even more pause, to my point earlier in thread, to consider cost and opportunity costs of Fox. Doesn’t mean you dont do it as I always said, but waiting has a very real upside too:

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As I said MULTIPLE times if you could see forest for trees about what I was saying there’s ALWAYS guys that spring available. It’s why the stupid gotcha of “just name one!!” Is so dumb because we’ve seen multiple examples, even if not this extreme, of legit stars always on the market via trade or free agency etc..

Fox still a viable option but theres very real opportunity costs even if ST thinks they know better all the time

[CGD]

Spurs now have even more pause, to my point earlier in thread, to consider cost and opportunity costs of Fox. Doesn’t mean you dont do it as I always said, but waiting has a very real upside too:

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As I said MULTIPLE times if you could see forest for trees about what I was saying there’s ALWAYS guys that spring available. It’s why the stupid gotcha of “just name one!!” Is so dumb because we’ve seen multiple examples, even if not this extreme, of legit stars always on the market via trade or free agency etc..

Fox still a viable option but theres very real opportunity costs even if ST thinks they know better all the time

I agree. Here are some of the other summer 2026 names:

- Luka, Jaren Jackson, Fox, KD, Kyrie, Kristaps
- James, Harden, Butler, Middleton

Some of those guys are gonna get disgruntled and force trades.

[LeBowen]

Just say you were wrong and laugh. Not that serious.

It's not serious, it's just that this is an unprecedented outlier that can't even compare to anything we've ever seen on the market.



Fox still a viable option but theres very real opportunity costs even if ST thinks they know better all the time

The reality is that Wemby is already a top5 player in the league and current awful roster is a huge disservice to him.
Fox checks most boxes and noone is saying Spurs should blow the load on him, we don't want Castle to be traded and we'd like to keep at least one ATL pick.

There's always a fine line between hoarding assets and being left with your dick in your hand.
LAL '27 FRP looked like one of the best assets in the league, Jazz has it. All of a sudden it's almost worthless.

We don't want to trade those 20131 picks other than SAC's own, it's pretty much down to what you value more.
Fox or a low chance of drafting a player better than him with those Hawks picks.
They're a young team with some good players, East is garbage and odds to land a top5 won't be better than 25-30% at the most.
Then even if we do get that pick, what are the odds of drafting a legit all-star with it?

[DPG21920]

It's not serious, it's just that this is an unprecedented outlier that can't even compare to anything we've ever seen on the market.




The reality is that Wemby is already a top5 player in the league and current awful roster is a huge disservice to him.
Fox checks most boxes and noone is saying Spurs should blow the load on him, we don't want Castle to be traded and we'd like to keep at least one ATL pick.

There's always a fine line between hoarding assets and being left with your dick in your hand.
LAL '27 FRP looked like one of the best assets in the league, Jazz has it. All of a sudden it's almost worthless.

We don't want to trade those 20131 picks other than SAC's own, it's pretty much down to what you value more.
Fox or a low chance of drafting a player better than him with those Hawks picks.
They're a young team with some good players, East is garbage and odds to land a top5 won't be better than 25-30% at the most.
Then even if we do get that pick, what are the odds of drafting a legit all-star with it?

Amazing how all these one in a million outliers keep happening though?!

Dallas should have gotten more right? The fact they didnt might signal something. Might signal theres very real risk involved Luka is NOT a lock to sign an immediate extension and LA is worried about losing Luka to free agency (Spurs with Wemby)?

If that is the case then LA says we cant gut all of our assets even for Luka if we dont know if he even wants to be here and we dont have a Supermax we can offer him either. So can Spurs afford to punt this opportunity for Fox or overpay for Fox knowing this exists now more than before? May still be small odds ultimately, but its better odds than before now and just another factor SA has to consider here.



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[DPG21920]

It's not serious, it's just that this is an unprecedented outlier that can't even compare to anything we've ever seen on the market.




The reality is that Wemby is already a top5 player in the league and current awful roster is a huge disservice to him.
Fox checks most boxes and noone is saying Spurs should blow the load on him, we don't want Castle to be traded and we'd like to keep at least one ATL pick.

There's always a fine line between hoarding assets and being left with your dick in your hand.
LAL '27 FRP looked like one of the best assets in the league, Jazz has it. All of a sudden it's almost worthless.

We don't want to trade those 20131 picks other than SAC's own, it's pretty much down to what you value more.
Fox or a low chance of drafting a player better than him with those Hawks picks.
They're a young team with some good players, East is garbage and odds to land a top5 won't be better than 25-30% at the most.
Then even if we do get that pick, what are the odds of drafting a legit all-star with it?

Plenty of odds and as I said the picks aren’t just about drafting, but having full stock available for future trades or better stars who fit better etc…But again, IM not out on Fox at all; i never was. I simply pointed out the very real reality of why these things are not no brainers even though Fox is great and “for sure” available (bird in hand theory). Thats all justifiable but calling people idiots for saying “there’s more to the story here” is where you should pause and reflect especially when stuff like this happens no?

[Dejounte]

Cringe. They don’t keep happening. This is the only time a top 5 player (one that most here would deem “worthy” of all our trade assets because of their ridiculously high standards) got traded since… Kawhi? And both of these have something in common: very unique trade circumstances, both with an endgame of getting to LA.

[DPG21920]

Anyways, Im not here for points or to dunk on anyone. You made fair points on your own which I always acknowledged you just got too caught up in hubris to listen to what I was trying to say. All good, it happens and we move past it and talk about the very exiting reality we have in front of us for Spurs.

This Luka trade is shocking, I hate the Lakers and cant believe they get people calling them an offering them MVP young players for so far below market value and it does add some stress to SA decision here but ultimately should help SA with Fox situation and cost.

Have to see what the hell else happens now post Luka because this caught everyone off guard big time

[SupremeGuy]

I agree. Here are some of the other summer 2026 names:

- Luka, Jaren Jackson, Fox, KD, Kyrie, Kristaps
- James, Harden, Butler, Middleton

Some of those guys are gonna get disgruntled and force trades.If this is some type of 4-d chess to screw the Lakers... WOW.

What does Denver's cap space look like?

[DPG21920]

Cringe. They don’t keep happening. This is the only time a top 5 player (one that most here would deem “worthy” of all our trade assets because of their ridiculously high standards) got traded since… Kawhi? And both of these have something in common: very unique trade circumstances, both with an endgame of getting to LA.

Oh hey, it’s another cringe a**hole poster that was wrong and instead of just saying “whoops! This is crazy lol” feels the need to justify being….wrong. Classic Dejounte

[LeBowen]

Amazing how all these one in a million outliers keep happening though?!

All these? Which trades would you put in this category?


Dallas should have gotten more right? The fact they didnt might signal something. Might signal theres very real risk involved Luka is NOT a lock to sign an immediate extension and LA is worried about losing Luka to free agency (Spurs with Wemby)?

If that is the case then LA says we cant gut all of our assets even for Luka if we dont know if he even wants to be here and we dont have a Supermax we can offer him either. So can Spurs afford to punt this opportunity for Fox or overpay for Fox knowing this exists now more than before? May still be small odds ultimately, but its better odds than before now and just another factor SA has to consider here.



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If they shipped him to the Grizzlies or something I would maybe bite on that he's not staying scenario.

Fox is 27. Almost every team in the league would like to have him, it's just that most don't have the assets or Fox doesn't want to go there.
If Luka becomes available and Spurs have Fox, Lakers would gladly accept such a good player in return for someone who won't stay with them.



Plenty of odds and as I said the picks aren’t just about drafting, but having full stock available for future trades or better stars who fit better etc…But again, IM not out on Fox at all; i never was. I simply pointed out the very real reality of why these things are not no brainers even though Fox is great and “for sure” available (bird in hand theory). Thats all justifiable but calling people idiots for saying “there’s more to the story here” is where you should pause and reflect especially when stuff like this happens no?

The thing is that our stock isn't going to last.
The only actual pick and not a swap we have down the line is the Minnesota pick.
Atlanta and Chicago picks will be gone soon, our distant future stock isn't anywhere near to what OKC or even Jazz have.
It's all about figuring out how to get the best possible return from these Hawks picks.

And yeah, I'm a bird in hand kind of guy is the bird is priced right.
We have our franchise cornerstone, we don't have to take low-odds swings anymore. At least if you ask me.


Somewhat unrelated, but while I would've surely taken Luka even for a massive haul, he's not really a Spurs kind of player, is he?
And doesn't look like someone who would accept not being the main character on the team during his prime.

[DPG21920]

Cringe. They don’t keep happening. This is the only time a top 5 player (one that most here would deem “worthy” of all our trade assets because of their ridiculously high standards) got traded since… Kawhi? And both of these have something in common: very unique trade circumstances, both with an endgame of getting to LA.

Lmaoooooo Luka did NOT have any endgame of getting to LA. And Luka was just one (one in which you said was “impossible”). There are other stars to monitor as well and regarding Fox level players theres a lot more that move around all the time.

Stop lying. Stop moving goalposts. Just stop being such an (wrong) know it all a**hole?

[SupremeGuy]

Cringe. They don’t keep happening. This is the only time a top 5 player (one that most here would deem “worthy” of all our trade assets because of their ridiculously high standards) got traded since… Kawhi? And both of these have something in common: very unique trade circumstances, both with an endgame of getting to LA.Kawhi was from there. What's Luka's motivation for wanting to be a Laker? Seriously the math ain't mathing.

[DPG21920]

All these? Which trades would you put in this category?



If they shipped him to the Grizzlies or something I would maybe bite on that he's not staying scenario.

Fox is 27. Almost every team in the league would like to have him, it's just that most don't have the assets or Fox doesn't want to go there.
If Luka becomes available and Spurs have Fox, Lakers would gladly accept such a good player in return for someone who won't stay with them.




The thing is that our stock isn't going to last.
The only actual pick and not a swap we have down the line is the Minnesota pick.
Atlanta and Chicago picks will be gone soon, our distant future stock isn't anywhere near to what OKC or even Jazz have.
It's all about figuring out how to get the best possible return from these Hawks picks.

And yeah, I'm a bird in hand kind of guy is the bird is priced right.
We have our franchise cornerstone, we don't have to take low-odds swings anymore. At least if you ask me.


Somewhat unrelated, but while I would've surely taken Luka even for a massive haul, he's not really a Spurs kind of player, is he?
And doesn't look like someone who would accept not being the main character on the team during his prime.

Im not sure on last part. Sort of agree especially since the team that had him just decided to say “F OFF”. Pretty big red flag, but even then he’s probably worth risk because of his talent right? Same sort of argument to a degree of getting Fox and then if something else happens you can use Fox to recoup value etc…

It’s a crazy situation but now it’s not about just Luka. Is Ant Man now must watch with how MINNY is so shaky? If BOS flounders some does Jaylen Brown ask out or get moved? This just sort of threw into light all the possibilities and risks of going all in for guys like Fox IMO (again, I know you aren’t saying give up 8 firsts for him) because the fringe all star types like him are available more often and theres enough uneasiness now with Luka deal that the other true mega stars that were on watch list seemingly went up in odds to be moved

[Dejounte]

Lmaoooooo Luka did NOT have any endgame of getting to LA. And Luka was just one (one in which you said was “impossible”). There are other stars to monitor as well and regarding Fox level players theres a lot more that move around all the time.

Stop lying. Stop moving goalposts. Just stop being such an (wrong) know it all a**hole?

If you think this could have happened with any other city, I have some shit to sell you. Name the other stars, dickhead.

[DPG21920]

Im sure Dallas, if they called another team, called Spurs and asked for Wemby which SA is right to say no. Im sure SA would have offered every other player and pick but Dallas seemed hell bent on a win now guy for whatever reason.

But nothing Ive seen suggest Luka asked out and wanted La so that has to factor into calculation (even if it would seem likely Luka signs an extension in LA). But LA front office has mostly sucked right? They didnt build a great team around Bron most years and were not looking great this year either. Crazy situation to see what happens there.

[DPG21920]

If you think this could have happened with any other city, I have some shit to sell you. Name the other stars, dickhead.

You are wrong and angry. Worst type of human on the planet tbh…just move on and admit you were wrong. It’s not hard to do unless your ego is bigger than your basketball IQ (

[DPG21920]

Imagine being so wrong and then publicly lying saying Luka forced his way to Lakers lolololol

[Sugus]

Shit and rigged move, but beautiful timing for us. Especially given the reports of the Spurs & Kings engaging in serious talks over the week.

Any deal now is going to be overshadowed by this news, and the market is bound to be in a shocked state. Perfect time to take advantage and pull a good trade.

Also, :lol @ not pulling the trigger for Fox on the hopes of a max-player outright signing in SA as a FA. It becomes more likely to be the case if Wemby + Castle becomes a playoff caliber team.... Players like to win and can take a discount to get there. Once you have pull, you can start picking.

[Dejounte]

You are wrong and angry. Worst type of human on the planet tbh…just move on and admit you were wrong. It’s not hard to do unless your ego is bigger than your basketball IQ (

Nah, I’ll remember to tag you when the Spurs trade away more than what you think they should give up because you’re caught up in your 2k trade scenarios. That will be a good day, tbh.

[CGD]

If this is some type of 4-d chess to screw the Lakers... WOW.

What does Denver's cap space look like?

Honestly the only guy I would have held powder dry for was Luka. That looks much less likely now obviously. I’ve been a proponent of getting Fox, and probably more so now.

[RedAzSa]

Honestly the only guy I would have held powder dry for was Luka. That looks much less likely now obviously. I’ve been a proponent of getting Fox, and probably more so now.
I would think this makes Luka more likely to hit FA. Yes, he’s already in LA, but he no longer has the supermax incentive to re-sign with his current team. I don’t think this is something that the spurs should bank on, but it’s an interesting wrinkle

[DPG21920]

Nah, I’ll remember to tag you when the Spurs trade away more than what you think they should give up because you’re caught up in your 2k trade scenarios. That will be a good day, tbh.

Sure. And what I wont do? Is lie to everyone and move goal posts lol. And you are stuck hoping and praying I will be wrong whereas I got immediate gratification on you :spin

[thiste]

I would think this makes Luka more likely to hit FA. Yes, he’s already in LA, but he no longer has the supermax incentive to re-sign with his current team. I don’t think this is something that the spurs should bank on, but it’s an interesting wrinkle

C'mon, he's in LA now. He's going to be there for the next 10 years.

[DPG21920]

Honestly the only guy I would have held powder dry for was Luka. That looks much less likely now obviously. I’ve been a proponent of getting Fox, and probably more so now.

I think it’s more likely (even if not considered likely) now than before. But odds are Luka probably signs an extension - but now Lakers are on the clock to improve team as LeBron is aging and wont be there. But Mavs not getting their other first or Reaves helped LA use those assets to improve if need be. Great job Nico.

[RedAzSa]

C'mon, he's in LA now. He's going to be there for the next 10 years.
Most likely, yes. Perhaps the odds of him walking went from 1% -> 5%, which is why it’s not something you bank on. But the fact is that players don’t turn down the supermax, and that’s no longer part of the equation.

[stnick2261]

Not looking for whether it’s likely to
happen…. but if Luka hits Free Agency, is it possible to add him to Fox and Wemby? (cap implications)

[LeBowen]

Not looking for whether it’s likely to
happen…. but if Luka hits Free Agency, is it possible to add him to Fox and Wemby? (cap implications)

Yes because Wemby's extension won't kick in before 2027.
We'd be in tax hell a year later, though.

[John B]

Not looking for whether it’s likely to
happen…. but if Luka hits Free Agency, is it possible to add him to Fox and Wemby? (cap implications)

If Castle continues to improve, Spurs would have Fox, Castle and Wemby. Why? I’m waiting for the like of Markkanen or JJJ instead.

[Mr. Body]

Luca won't leave LA. The Lakers are all ESPN talks about in terms of NBA basketball. Before, he was in obscurity, now he's royalty.

[thiste]

If Castle continues to improve, Spurs would have Fox, Castle and Wemby. Why? I’m waiting for the like of Markkanen or JJJ instead.

I don't think the Grizz are trading JJJ

[CGD]

C'mon, he's in LA now. He's going to be there for the next 10 years.

I’m in this camp. If anything, he does that 2+1 crap LeBron used to do to continue to extend at bigger numbers. He’ll use us as leverage of course but that’s it.

[DPG21920]

Not looking for whether it’s likely to
happen…. but if Luka hits Free Agency, is it possible to add him to Fox and Wemby? (cap implications)

Probably and can always do a sign and trade as well

[CGD]

I think it’s more likely (even if not considered likely) now than before. But odds are Luka probably signs an extension - but now Lakers are on the clock to improve team as LeBron is aging and wont be there. But Mavs not getting their other first or Reaves helped LA use those assets to improve if need be. Great job Nico.

But they got Max Christie!!! Haha

[CIAPop]

Why not?
Devin and Keldon to the Heat
Butler to the Kings
Fox and Huerter to the Spurs
....and somehow someone gets a Mav pick :drunk

[Mr. Body]

This might pause any trades for a couple days as the whole basketball world remains stunned.

[Frenchfred]

Shit and rigged move, but beautiful timing for us. Especially given the reports of the Spurs & Kings engaging in serious talks over the week.

Any deal now is going to be overshadowed by this news, and the market is bound to be in a shocked state. Perfect time to take advantage and pull a good trade.

Also, :lol @ not pulling the trigger for Fox on the hopes of a max-player outright signing in SA as a FA. It becomes more likely to be the case if Wemby + Castle becomes a playoff caliber team.... Players like to win and can take a discount to get there. Once you have pull, you can start picking.

exactly, FA superstars don't go to SA

[Knoxxx]

Why not?
Devin and Keldon to the Heat
Butler to the Kings
Fox and Huerter to the Spurs
....and somehow someone gets a Mav pick :drunk


Dare to dream hahaha

[CorrectCrusader]

This might pause any trades for a couple days as the whole basketball world remains stunned.

Perfect time for some shitty franchises (kings) to trade away disgruntled players for very little without much backlash because "at least we're not the mavs"

[John B]

I don't think the Grizz are trading JJJ

Cuban promised to divorce his wife first before trading Luka. You’ll never know who’ll force themselves to the Spurs come the core of Fox, Castle and Wemby gets going and just needs a defensive big

[thiste]

Cuban promised to divorce his wife first before trading Luka. You’ll never know who’ll force themselves to the Spurs come the core of Fox, Castle and Wemby gets going and just needs a defensive big

We also need spacing.

[CorrectCrusader]

I don't think the Grizz are trading JJJ

Grizz would trade Ja years before they trade JJJ

[mo7888]

Grizz would trade Ja years before they trade JJJ

They can't extend JJJ because of his declining contract. He will enter unrestricted FA.

[CorrectCrusader]

They can't extend JJJ because of his declining contract. He will enter unrestricted FA.

He's getting the max.

[mo7888]

He's getting the max.

Sure, they'll offer it, but if he wants to go elsewhere he has the leverage to get Memphis to take a S&T offer for him instead of losing him for nothing. He may love Memphis or he may want a change of scenery playing alongside a generational talent.

[CorrectCrusader]

Sure, they'll offer it, but if he wants to go elsewhere he has the leverage to get Memphis to take a S&T offer for him instead of losing him for nothing. He may love Memphis or he may want a change of scenery playing alongside a generational talent.

I would cum buckets if JJJ became a spur, I just don't see it happening

[RC_Drunkford]

I'm with @DPG21920 (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=13014) here. We should bet on the Timberwolves calling us in the middle of the night to trade Ant Man for Keldon Johnson and Minnesota's 20131 pick

[Ice009]

Wow, page 100, but Luka trade has probably put the whole NBA trade market on hold.

Is anyone contesting Luka's trade to the Lakers? Is it even possible to do so? I remember Pop kicking up a fuss about the Pau Gasol trade, but not sure if other teams/GMs officially complained back then too. I know Anthony Davis is a darn good player, but this trade feels very similar and I'm sure it's ruffled feathers league wide.

[mo7888]

I would cum buckets if JJJ became a spur, I just don't see it happening

Sure...but it's not just us who'll want him. He'll have the option of any team in the league. Do we really think he loves Memphis more than every other team? I don't. I also don't think he'll necessarily come here, but familial relationships and the opportunity to play with Wemby gives us as good of a shot as anybody.

[RC_Drunkford]

He's getting the max.

we can offer him the max too, so it's his choice. His dad was a Spur after all.

[mo7888]

I'm with @DPG21920 (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=13014) here. We should bet on the Timberwolves calling us in the middle of the night to trade Ant Man for Keldon Johnson and Minnesota's 20131 pick

We can't let Keldon and that pick go... they'll have to choose one or the other.

:pop:

[Seventyniner]

we can offer him the max too, so it's his choice. His dad was a Spur after all.

If we do land JJJ, make sure he gets his dad's jersey number.

[scott]

Spurs now have even more pause, to my point earlier in thread, to consider cost and opportunity costs of Fox. Doesn’t mean you dont do it as I always said, but waiting has a very real upside too:

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As I said MULTIPLE times if you could see forest for trees about what I was saying there’s ALWAYS guys that spring available. It’s why the stupid gotcha of “just name one!!” Is so dumb because we’ve seen multiple examples, even if not this extreme, of legit stars always on the market via trade or free agency etc..

Fox still a viable option but theres very real opportunity costs even if ST thinks they know better all the time

In thinking about it, I think that this makes it even less likely that Luka becomes a FA in 2026. He just lost the SuperMax, is he now also willing to lose a Bird Max and LA endorsement money too? I think he'll sign a shorter extension this summer so he can get to the 10-year max in 2028.

BUT WITH THAT SAID...

Even if Luka can be a FA in 2026... the Spurs could trade for Fox and give him a max, and still be able to sign Luka in 2026 if we also got off Vassell, Keldon and Sochan.

[scott]

Plenty of odds and as I said the picks aren’t just about drafting, but having full stock available for future trades or better stars who fit better etc…But again, IM not out on Fox at all; i never was. I simply pointed out the very real reality of why these things are not no brainers even though Fox is great and “for sure” available (bird in hand theory). Thats all justifiable but calling people idiots for saying “there’s more to the story here” is where you should pause and reflect especially when stuff like this happens no?

One thing I'm thinking this outlier event actually makes me think is that you can't just ONLY have a stockpile of picks to be able to pounce on opportunities like this. Lakers and this other mystery teams got calls from Nico Harrison because Nico wanted a player, not picks. Right now, the Spurs only on-the-court asset that would have got this done is Wemby, and obviously we don't want to trade him. Having someone like Fox (or Trae, or Lauri, or whomever) could actually be helpful when these opportunities come around.

In some regards, while I'm not mad about not having Dillingham, having Dillingham might actually be more helpful in a Fox trade than having some of the picks if SAC wants a "promising young player".

I think if anything, this trade just illustrates that picks aren't the end-all-be-all currency that every team wants.

[RC_Drunkford]

trust me the Celtics will call us randomly around midnight near the 2028 trade deadline and offer us Jaylen Brown for them leftover picks.

Brad Stevens: "We have won enough, it's ok to let someone else have a turn."

[scott]

Well done on 100 pages boys. Now I can stop multi-posting random thoughts just to get the page count up :lol

[DPG21920]

In thinking about it, I think that this makes it even less likely that Luka becomes a FA in 2026. He just lost the SuperMax, is he now also willing to lose a Bird Max and LA endorsement money too? I think he'll sign a shorter extension this summer so he can get to the 10-year max in 2028.

BUT WITH THAT SAID...

Even if Luka can be a FA in 2026... the Spurs could trade for Fox and give him a max, and still be able to sign Luka in 2026 if we also got off Vassell, Keldon and Sochan.

Yup. Thats why I said it’s not just Fox or not Fox. Can still do Fox and maybe Luka. But taking on Fox means cap space may be not as clean for the opportunity. It may mean giving up more assets than we hoped and impacting our ability to entice a sign and trade. All I ever said was its a factor to consider and that its reality and reasonable.

But ya, I can see Luka maybe passing up a deal despite losing supermax now. He may care about state income tax and how that makes up for some of lost money. He may want to team up with wemby and stick it to mavs rest of his career alongside Wemby being his best shot at a title.

I can see many reasons why it’s plausible even if it’s not a guarantee. It’s a pretty big variable I think that SA has to very much consider is all.

[CorrectCrusader]

Yup. Thats why I said it’s not just Fox or not Fox. Can still do Fox and maybe Luka. But taking on Fox means cap space may be not as clean for the opportunity. It may mean giving up more assets than we hoped and impacting our ability to entice a sign and trade. All I ever said was its a factor to consider and that its reality and reasonable.

But ya, I can see Luka maybe passing up a deal despite losing supermax now. He may care about state income tax and how that makes up for some of lost money. He may want to team up with wemby and stick it to mavs rest of his career alongside Wemby being his best shot at a title.

I can see many reasons why it’s plausible even if it’s not a guarantee. It’s a pretty big variable I think that SA has to very much consider is all.

If Luka is getting fat in Dallas I can't imagine it would take long for him to appear on my 600lb life if he came to SA

[DPG21920]

One thing I'm thinking this outlier event actually makes me think is that you can't just ONLY have a stockpile of picks to be able to pounce on opportunities like this. Lakers and this other mystery teams got calls from Nico Harrison because Nico wanted a player, not picks. Right now, the Spurs only on-the-court asset that would have got this done is Wemby, and obviously we don't want to trade him. Having someone like Fox (or Trae, or Lauri, or whomever) could actually be helpful when these opportunities come around.

In some regards, while I'm not mad about not having Dillingham, having Dillingham might actually be more helpful in a Fox trade than having some of the picks if SAC wants a "promising young player".

I think if anything, this trade just illustrates that picks aren't the end-all-be-all currency that every team wants.

I think the key here is that theres always someone available. Always. Maybe not always a Luka, but always a Fox type (fringe all star). But that when you are sniffing around and theres guys like Luka and Ant Man that are perfect fits and have situations where its not 100% locked that they are staying put you need to have a plan in place.

Picks have dominated every trade for a star other than Luka. KD, Mitchell, etc…picks even after this Luka trade are clearly valuable

[DPG21920]

If Luka is getting fat in Dallas I can't imagine it would take long for him to appear on my 600lb life if he came to SA

Lmao

[KingKev]

Well done on 100 pages boys. Now I can stop multi-posting random thoughts just to get the page count up :lol

We did it! If only timvp was around to see it.

[Extra Stout]

Kings get:
Jimmy Butler
Jeremy Sochan
SAS 2025 1RP
SAS 2027 1RP (via ATL)

Spurs get:
De’Aaron Fox
Chris Boucher
Trey Lyles

Heat get:
Jakob Poeltl
Chris Paul
Kevin Huerter
SAS 2027 1RP swap

Raptors get:
Devin Vassell
Jaime Jaquez Jr.

[Extra Stout]

Sounds plausible if Pat Riley is senile now

[BatManu20]

We did it! If only timvp (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=8) was around to see it.

Too soon.

https://media.tenor.com/j6-mXe-mCT0AAAAM/wut.gif

[BatManu20]

If Luka is getting fat in Dallas I can't imagine it would take long for him to appear on my 600lb life if he came to SA

I don't think even Wemby would be enough to convince Luka to leave LA for San Antonio tbh. :lol

[scott]

I think the key here is that theres always someone available. Always. Maybe not always a Luka, but always a Fox type (fringe all star). But that when you are sniffing around and theres guys like Luka and Ant Man that are perfect fits and have situations where its not 100% locked that they are staying put you need to have a plan in place.

Picks have dominated every trade for a star other than Luka. KD, Mitchell, etc…picks even after this Luka trade are clearly valuable

I did not say that picks are not valuable, I said they are not the only currency.

Having all the picks in the world still didn't even give you an opportunity to sniff a Luka trade, for example. Some teams don't want picks. To truly be able to be able to capitalize on any opportunity, the Spurs should look to have a blend of picks, quality players, and promising young players. Then you'll truly have the flexibility to do anything in regards to trades. Cap space and picks only opens up a certain range of possibilities.

In that regard (like say you wanted to go after Ant), having someone like Fox could be quite helpful.

[TekXX]

timvp passed away?

[mo7888]

timvp passed away?

Dead as a doornail..

[T Park]

Kings get:
Jimmy Butler
Jeremy Sochan
SAS 2025 1RP
SAS 2027 1RP (via ATL)

Spurs get:
De’Aaron Fox
Chris Boucher
Trey Lyles

Heat get:
Jakob Poeltl
Chris Paul
Kevin Huerter
SAS 2027 1RP swap

Raptors get:
Devin Vassell
Jaime Jaquez Jr.



Lyles and Boucher?!?