As former NBA writer I discuss now book invited podcast - Duncan 4, Robinson 15, Kobe 11 etc.

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Former NBA paid writer mainly Hoopssworld.com and a brief time here; a basketball official did games with Adrian Dantley 3 current NBA officials, and was a doctor in SATX for a while on Shaq's HS and did games there. Anyway considered an expert in analytics and have had communications with John Hollinger (author) and David Aldridge (contributor) about a controversial book that came out called Top NBA 100 by the Athletic and did invited podcast on the rankings. Link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yw_KMvvARKI Too early my thread title has wrong word but whatever it is too early, need coffee.

These are some of the rankings using objective measures (NBA selections, MVPs and votes, titles etc.) in a formula to create "GOAT" points. Duncan 4th! Honestly by the formula that makes sense even though other lists lower - only player in history top three both defensive win shares and rating and 15 team selections. Robinson 4 spots above Hakeem (19 not below), Joker 22, Curry 27 etc.

GOAT Points: "The Basketball 100"
RANK PLAYER GOAT POINTS
1 LeBron James 857.3
2 Michael Jordan 750.2
3 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 660.1
4 Tim Duncan 504.2
5 Karl Malone 503.6
6 Wilt Chamberlain499.0
7 Larry Bird 487.7
8 Magic Johnson 486.6
9 Bill Russell 471.5
10 Shaquille O'Neal 459.6
11 Kobe Bryant 457.1
12 Kevin Durant 373.7
13 James Harden 356.2
14 Oscar Robertson344.5
15 David Robinson 335.1

[Amuseddaysleeper]

The book Hollinger & Aldridge put out recently has MJ at #1 all time but did include the GOAT points chart in a separate section

Ginobili was #82 all time

[jsandiego]

If you remove Karl Malone and bump up Kobe to #10, this is pretty close to my Top-10 order.

I would put LeBron #2, and Jordan #1.

I never know what to do with Russell and Wilt. Such a different era and less teams, it's hard to compare to the modern NBA, which I think started when Magic & Larry arrived on the scene and the Finals were no longer on tape delay.

[R. DeMurre]

These are some of the rankings using objective measures (NBA selections, MVPs and votes, titles etc.) in a formula to create "GOAT" points.




I like their attempt and I think it has value, but none of those measures can really be called objective. They are popularity contests where stats and impact are big factors, but there's still a huge subjective angle to it. If Wemby and Gobert were to put up identical number this year compared to last, Wemby would almost certainly win DPOY, whereas a bunch of voters decided last year it was "too soon" for Victor, or that he should somehow be slightly demoted because of the team that happened to be around him.

[Pauleta14]

Former NBA paid writer mainly Hoopssworld.com and a brief time here; a basketball official did games with Adrian Dantley 3 current NBA officials, and was a doctor in SATX for a while on Shaq's HS and did games there. Anyway considered an expert in analytics and have had communications with John Hollinger (author) and David Aldridge (contributor) about a controversial book that came out called Top NBA 100 by the Athletic and did invited podcast on the rankings. Link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yw_KMvvARKI Too early my thread title has wrong word but whatever it is too early, need coffee.

These are some of the rankings using objective measures (NBA selections, MVPs and votes, titles etc.) in a formula to create "GOAT" points. Duncan 4th! Honestly by the formula that makes sense even though other lists lower - only player in history top three both defensive win shares and rating and 15 team selections. Robinson 4 spots above Hakeem (19 not below), Joker 22, Curry 27 etc.

GOAT Points: "The Basketball 100"
RANK PLAYER GOAT POINTS
1 LeBron James 857.3
2 Michael Jordan 750.2
3 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 660.1
4 Tim Duncan 504.2
5 Karl Malone 503.6
6 Wilt Chamberlain499.0
7 Larry Bird 487.7
8 Magic Johnson 486.6
9 Bill Russell 471.5
10 Shaquille O'Neal 459.6
11 Kobe Bryant 457.1
12 Kevin Durant 373.7
13 James Harden 356.2
14 Oscar Robertson344.5
15 David Robinson 335.1

Any formula that ends up with Lebron 1st should be eliminated by default.

And :lol at Malone 5th

[scott]

Love DRob, but having him over Hakeem seems generous, tbh.

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Agree on Robinson and Hakeem. Robinson has some incredible analytics especially on defense but Dream strong too there. Dream has two finals MVPs and a head to head series win some gets a slight edge by me.

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Any formula that ends up with Lebron 1st should be eliminated by default. I do not agree this list, Jordan ahead on NYT, ESPN top 75, SI, and CBS lists and strong case for at least Jabbar over James too.

And :lol at Malone 5th

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I like their attempt and I think it has value, but none of those measures can really be called objective. They are popularity contests where stats and impact are big factors, but there's still a huge subjective angle to it. If Wemby and Gobert were to put up identical number this year compared to last, Wemby would almost certainly win DPOY, whereas a bunch of voters decided last year it was "too soon" for Victor, or that he should somehow be slightly demoted because of the team that happened to be around him.
Agree with this, my top ten list is Jordan, James and Jabbar virtual tie, Wilt, Magic, Russell, Bird, Duncan (can see him one to two spots higher), Kobe, Shaq. Next five in some order Big O, Durant, Dream, Garnett (under-rated), and someone from Joker, Robinson, Malone, maybe Curry, West, Baylor, or with analysis some others. As I said in podcast list players like Manu, Pippen, Worthy, Unseld, and McHale or Cowens are under-rated winners especially with what Manu did internationally wherever placed. No list is perfect, all subjective even if try to be objective and I value defense more than others do.

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In the podcast I say Manu under-rated many lists. His dominance in the Olympics was almost like a Jordan abusing Iverson and USA. His clutch stats among best all time, he was fine defender and if had started would have had higher basic stats. A player can be on my top ten squad to play anyone any time. Case for him being about 50 all time if international included (should be).

[Thomas82]

I saw in a preview of the book that they have Tim Duncan at #8, which is too low, and David Robinson at #21.

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I did too. I just ordered book to confirm online list is the same and to get more on the methodology.