President Elect Musk and his VP Vivek have turned MAGA against Indians

[Trill Clinton]

Elon kicked it off by saying white Americans aren't as smart as Indians, red dot not feather. VP Vivek doubles down and says American culture can learn from his indian culture and put down the sports and pick up a book.

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[Blake]

Lol it's the non super talented that put Musk in office in the first place

[SnakeBoy]

Lol dems desperate to find a line of attack on Elon

muh H1B's :lol

[Trill Clinton]

Lol dems desperate to find a line of attack on Elon

muh H1B's :lol

Laugh through the pain. Them H1Bs are kicking conservative white men in the ass right now.

[ChumpDumper]

Lol dems desperate to find a line of attack on Elon

muh H1B's :lol

No, they are for foreigners. That's your problem.

[Trill Clinton]

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[Thread]

Musk President.
Not Biden.

[DMX7]

Elon is right that we need to import more talent, but we need to educated and develop it better domestically as well.

[Millennial_Messiah]

I've been on the record bitching and moaning about curry guzzling dot headed IT Indians and H1b Visa's since at least 2014, 2015. :lmao They're taking our jobs, they're taking our money, they're taking our opportunities, they're taking our women, they're stinking up our offices and our toilets..... Will Hunting (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=17032) and others can confirm


It was an Obama problem that Trump failed to fix from 2017-19 and it arguably got worse during the plandemic, but at some point in 2022-ish the tide shifted and companies realized, hey, if IT work can be done remotely, why not just keep them working remote from shit-ass India and pay them 10 cents to the dollar in rupees instead of bringing them physically onshore, sponsoring their visas here and paying them >$100k a year?


I'm on the side of MAGA, Trill Clinton (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=20413), but I've never been on the record as saying "blacks or Mexicans are stealing our jobs". The only jobs these lower-education demographics "take" are the lower-paying, service-level, hands-on type of jobs that the ordinary white American, especially those with some college or a college degree, would never work in a million years.



Elon is right that we need to import more talent
No, we don't.



but we need to educated and develop it better domestically as well.
For the fraction of the price of an H1b or similar visa sponsorship, they can just train already college-educated U.S. Citizens who are underemployed, may not have the right college major or whatever but they are U.S. Citizens born in the USA, instead of importing the turd world and turd world shitass culture, and HIRE AMERICAN ONLY. America First, motherfucker. Americans First. Trump needs to do this in Q1 2025 at the latest.

Impose domestic tariffs on tech consultancy companies like the Tata Consultancy Services and Infosys type companies from shit-ass India operating in the USA, and impose a 40% sur-tax on companies hiring from abroad, H1b or otherwise. Each individual imported employee shall cost the company in additional taxes, which will eventually force them to stop. Hire college-educated, underemployed U.S. Citizens instead, and fucking train them to code, analyze, learn technologies like Java, Jira and DataBricks, be a scrum master, project manager, business analyst, whatever need be. Install tax breaks and benefits for U.S. companies operating in the U.S. who strictly and solely hire U.S. Citizens to work U.S. taxable jobs paying $25 an hour/$40k per year or more. That shall do it. Tough on China is not enough. We need to be #ToughOnIndia to be truly nationalist, populist, America First.

[Thread]

Elon is right that we need to import more talent, but we need to educated and develop it better domestically as well.

...that ship sailed many moons ago, 7, un-moored never to dock again.

Cherry pick the best from the other countries and ban all others.

[Winehole23]

Desis talking about white folks like white folks talk about black folks -- "you're raising your kids wrong" -- did not go over well.

[baseline bum]

What a load of crap. LOL all these corporations hiring cheap H1B Indians instead of Americans now wondering why Americans aren't killing themselves chasing hard ass CS degrees like they did 25 years ago when a CS degree from a good school would get you a high paying job. I remember the demand was so high for a bunch of my CS courses at UCLA they wouldn't let anyone drop so you either fought through a class you were struggling in or you failed and got kicked out of the major because there would be someone else behind you dying to get in that major if you couldn't hack it. All these corporate motherfuckers have to do is hire graduates to good jobs and students will start killing themselves to get CS degrees again.

[Winehole23]

What a load of crap. LOL all these corporations hiring cheap H1B Indians instead of Americans now wondering why Americans aren't killing themselves chasing hard ass CS degrees like they did 25 years ago when a CS degree from a good school would get you a high paying job. I remember the demand was so high for a bunch of my CS courses at UCLA they wouldn't let anyone drop so you either fought through a class you were struggling in or you failed and got kicked out of the major because there would be someone else behind you dying to get in that major if you couldn't hack it. All these corporate motherfuckers have to do is hire graduates to good jobs and students will start killing themselves to get CS degrees again.Bingo.

They wanted cheaper, more compliant labor, and they lobbied the USG to get it. They're lobbying Trump right now to make exceptions for them -- million dollar donations to the inaugural seems to be one good way to get the great man's attention.


Their aims instead were to keep American scientific employers from having to pay the full US market price of high skilled labor. They hoped to keep the US research system staffed with employees classified as “trainees,” “students,” and “post-docs” for the benefit of employers. The result would be to render the US scientific workforce more docile and pliable to authority and senior researchers by attempting to ensure this labor market sector is always flooded largely by employer-friendly visa holders who lack full rights to respond to wage signals in the US labor market.How & Why Government, Universities, & Industry Create Domestic Labor Shortages of Scientists & High-Tech Workers | Institute for New Economic Thinking (https://www.ineteconomics.org/perspectives/blog/how-why-government-universities-industry-create-domestic-labor-shortages-of-scientists-high-tech-workers)

[Winehole23]

the problem being solved was not a problem of talent but one of price: scientific employers had become alarmed that they would have to pay competitive market wages to US Ph.D.s with other options. The study’s aim was not to locate talent but to weaken its ability to bargain with employers by using foreign labor to undermine the ability to negotiate for new Ph.D.s

[Winehole23]

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[Winehole23]

Anyway this is an inevitable rift between the faction of the American Right that sees foreigners as a subhuman Other to be demonized for votes and the faction that sees them as cheap exploitable labor to make things that explode whether on purpose or not

[Winehole23]

radical free speech doesn't cover dissing Elon


Tech billionaire Elon Musk faced accusations of censorship Friday from fellow conservatives after several prominent right-wing accounts who had criticized Musk’s views on immigration (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/elon-musk-vivek-ramaswamy-open-rift-maga-loyalists-skilled-worker-visa-rcna185557) said that they subsequently lost access to premium features on Musk’s social media app, X.

At least 14 conservative accounts said late Thursday or Friday that X had revoked their blue verification badge, cutting them off from a variety of premium features, including the ability to monetize their accounts through subscriptions and advertising revenue-sharing, according to a review conducted by NBC News. Some accounts said the number of those affected was far higher.

The accounts were all still active Friday, but without access to monetization features; some of them said they worried about their ability to keep posting.
Elon Musk accused of censoring Laura Loomer, MAGA Republicans on X (https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/social-media/elon-musk-accused-censoring-laura-loomer-maga-republicans-x-rcna185569)

[Winehole23]

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[Tyronn Lue]

The US runs on a global economy. It stands to reason that the US should pick from a global talent pool if they want to remain competitive. Everyone else is.

[Winehole23]

A majority of H-1B employers—including major U.S. tech firms—use the program to pay migrant workers well below market wageshttps://www.epi.org/publication/h-1b-visas-and-prevailing-wage-levels/

[Winehole23]

The US runs on a global economy. It stands to reason that the US should pick from a global talent pool if they want to remain competitive. Everyone else is.sure, but that's not even the main reason they're doing it. the easiest way to be competitive is to squeeze labor.

[Winehole23]

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[Winehole23]

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[Tyronn Lue]

sure, but that's not even the main reason they're doing it. the easiest way to be competitive is to squeeze labor.
If we're talking about CEO level talent, that's not a lot of labor squeezing. They aren't working for discounts. I have 3 doctors. My PCP, a nephrologist and a gastro. All are Indians. All graduated US colleges and were even born in the US. I don't give it any consideration.

[Winehole23]

If we're talking about CEO level talent, that's not a lot of labor squeezing. They aren't working for discounts. I have 3 doctors. My PCP, a nephrologist and a gastro. All are Indians. All graduated US colleges and were even born in the US. I don't give it any consideration.At top management levels, sure.

[DMX7]

For the fraction of the price of an H1b or similar visa sponsorship, they can just train already college-educated U.S. Citizens who are underemployed, may not have the right college major or whatever but they are U.S.

Explain your math here. I'm not saying you're wrong yet, but explain the actual costs that you're considering to conclude that it's cheaper.

[Blake]

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Damn lol

[Blake]

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Poor Elon

[ChumpDumper]

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:lol Poor Elon needs to take a beat and at least get his Les Grossman ripoff quote right.

[koriwhat]

H1B visas are a crock of shit when we have plenty of skilled and knowledgable Americans right here at home whom seem to train their foreign replacements. Get rid of H1B visas altogether!

[lefty]

MAGA crowd is angry because Trump and Musk are pro-H1B visas :lol

Dumbasses :lol

[koriwhat]

I've always said it, "never trust a man with hair plugs!" Same goes for Elon and always has.

[florige]

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Sheeeesh this is shaping up to be a bigger crap show than his first administration and I didn’t think that would at all be possible lol

[koriwhat]

MAGA crowd is angry because Trump and Musk are pro-H1B visas :lol

Dumbasses :lol

Who's angry? If you're referring to me, not mad at all. I just always saw H1B visas as selling out America, nothing more, nothing less...

LMAO "angry"

[florige]

Poor Elon


So what happens when Trump tells Elon he has to take a step back how is that gonna work?

[ChumpDumper]

:lol Joey still can't bring himself to criticize Trump.

[lefty]

Who's angry? If you're referring to me, not mad at all. I just always saw H1B visas as selling out America, nothing more, nothing less...

LMAO "angry"
Selling out?

no

They are just a logical and pragmatic solution for unqualified fat fucks

[koriwhat]

Selling out?

no

They are just a logical and pragmatic solution for unqualified fat fucks

Whatever you say...

I say, kick all their asses out of the USA already and hire Americans already. Plenty needing work.

[ChumpDumper]

Tell your Trump that.

[Thread]

So what happens when Trump tells Elon he has to take a step back how is that gonna work?

He doesn't have to. Musk is either in it for the long(est) haul, or, he's not. He'll know in 90 days.

Trump has no governor this time. There is no more after this. That'll either free him, or, change him. 70-30 frees him.

I'm on the lookout now for the "change him." I'd hate to see it, but, sure, I can envision it.

He'd better free those 1-6 convicts, day 1...take the oath, go to the WH///Madonna permitting, free 'em, then eats.

[ElNono]

I came on a H1B visa many moons ago, when Tata consulting wasn’t grabbing 75% of them. What these corp want are workaholics that have to leave their lives at work or not only get fired but deported if they don’t do that, as they’re not allowed to find a better job or position anywhere else and must work for the sponsor of the visa. That’s a huge leverage they simply do not have with American workers, especially the brilliant kind which will also not work for an average market salary.

I work for a Fortune 100 company in Silicon Valley and there are incredibly talented people, including Americans. It’s a super competitive job market and that’s why in cities like San Francisco, a 500k annual salary is dime a dozen. That’s really what companies want to get a handle on.

[SnakeBoy]

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[ElNono]

There’s no doubt Trump will cater to President Musk. He brought him back to the White House.

Plus, theoretically it’s of little cost to him since the immigrants will go to sanctuary California, tbh

[ChumpDumper]

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How is this going to be resolved, snacks?

Trump already flipped and flopped. Will he flip again?

[ElNono]

Trump backs H-1B visas, aligning with Musk on immigration

“I’ve always liked the visas, I have always been in favor of the visas,” Trump told the New York Post in a phone interview. He added, “I have many H-1B visas on my properties. I’ve been a believer in H-1B. I have used it many times. It’s a great program.

https://apple.news/A2mp3MM7yQ9KWcV0dDx1HOw

[ChumpDumper]

:lol Trump bends the knee to President Elon

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[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

Would happily ship elons ass back to South africa

[Blake]

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Lol what does America need saving from in this case? Low wage workers?

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

Imagine libs crying bc they can't drive tesla anymore

[Millennial_Messiah]

Explain your math here. I'm not saying you're wrong yet, but explain the actual costs that you're considering to conclude that it's cheaper.

You only have to train the U.S. based employee once, and considering these are U.S. born U.S. Citizens with college degrees, chances are they are smart enough to learn at a >97% rate. And will have far better social skills, no language/accent barrier etc and actually be cultural fits in US work settings. Training isn't free, you have paid training, generally as part of their salary and employment, but it's a one-time thing and then you're rewarded with skilled, relatively loyal employees for life as opposed to India Indians who have zero loyalty and are always out with their resumes online looking for their next higher paid position on the phone with recruiters every damn lunch or bathroom break.

Whereas, you have to keep paying each year for H1b sponsorship renewals, and it's typically $6000-10,000 depending on the case when you add up all the fees, looking at some basic USCIS data googling it. Some of the smaller fees don't have to be duplicated each year per employee/contractor but you have to pay the $4,000 processing fee annually plus the roughly $2,000 expedited fee if you don't want there to be an employment gap.

[z0sa]

You only have to train the U.S. based employee once, and considering these are U.S. born U.S. Citizens with college degrees, chances are they are smart enough to learn at a >97% rate. And will have far better social skills, no language/accent barrier etc and actually be cultural fits in US work settings. Training isn't free, you have paid training, generally as part of their salary and employment, but it's a one-time thing and then you're rewarded with skilled, relatively loyal employees for life as opposed to India Indians who have zero loyalty and are always out with their resumes online looking for their next higher paid position on the phone with recruiters every damn lunch or bathroom break.

Whereas, you have to keep paying each year for H1b sponsorship renewals, and it's typically $6000-10,000 depending on the case when you add up all the fees, looking at some basic USCIS data googling it. Some of the smaller fees don't have to be duplicated each year per employee/contractor but you have to pay the $4,000 processing fee annually plus the roughly $2,000 expedited fee if you don't want there to be an employment gap.

Your Republicans won't pay for that. They want serfs who won't unionize or ask for market rates. It's very, very simple - not surprised you aren't getting it.

[ElNono]

You only have to train the U.S. based employee once, and considering these are U.S. born U.S. Citizens with college degrees, chances are they are smart enough to learn at a >97% rate. And will have far better social skills, no language/accent barrier etc and actually be cultural fits in US work settings. Training isn't free, you have paid training, generally as part of their salary and employment, but it's a one-time thing and then you're rewarded with skilled, relatively loyal employees for life as opposed to India Indians who have zero loyalty and are always out with their resumes online looking for their next higher paid position on the phone with recruiters every damn lunch or bathroom break.

Whereas, you have to keep paying each year for H1b sponsorship renewals, and it's typically $6000-10,000 depending on the case when you add up all the fees, looking at some basic USCIS data googling it. Some of the smaller fees don't have to be duplicated each year per employee/contractor but you have to pay the $4,000 processing fee annually plus the roughly $2,000 expedited fee if you don't want there to be an employment gap.

An H1B visa lasts for 5 years, and can be extended one time for a total of 10 years.
While on a H1B visa, the employee can only work for the visa sponsor, and if employment is terminated, the visa automatically expires and the employee must return to his/her country.

This gives tremendous leverage to the employer, since it can basically end employment and get rid of the employee at any time. The employee is also unable to shop for better work opportunities. Given that the sponsor is also likely to be the company that eventually would request a green card sponsorship (unless the employee marries a US citizen, etc), there’s an additional leverage there.

And we’re talking exceptionally talented people in general. These are the people that in an open, competitive job market would be able to shop for better positions (like exceptionally talented Americans do). So the visa works out as an anti-poaching scheme (which are illegal for regular employees in Silicon Valley), and also end up depressing salaries, as what they need to be paid is above the median salary for the position, but being exceptional talent would get paid a lot more on an open market (which they normally do if they get a citizenship).

There has also been abuses of this system. Indian consulting firms like Tata are known for this. They hire H1B talent and then subcontract them to other companies. That means they don’t need to pay the average salary for a Google or Microsoft and they also don’t have to offer the nice benefits they offer, while effectively working for them. Furthermore this breaks the spirit of the visa itself that if the employee is not good enough to work for them, it needs to go back.
I think they were under investigation for that, but don’t know if anything ever happened.

[Millennial_Messiah]

While on a H1B visa, the employee can only work for the visa sponsor, and if employment is terminated, the visa automatically expires and the employee must return to his/her country.


Yet, they simultaneously end up working second and third, etc, jobs anyway. This problem has been magnified since work from home has become more normal than not, most especially during Covid. But there are a ton of loopholes. They definitely don't follow the rules all or even half of the time. The USCIS is slow as molasses at actually enforcing the law, kind of like California vote counting standards.

[aside: Ron DeSantis should be appointed as vote counting czar. Every state, looking at you in the western half of the country, should count as efficiently as Florida and Texas. No excuses.]



This gives tremendous leverage to the employer, since it can basically end employment and get rid of the employee at any time. The employee is also unable to shop for better work opportunities. Given that the sponsor is also likely to be the company that eventually would request a green card sponsorship
:lol ... "At will" employment applies to almost any private-sector job in the US, including for US Citizen employees.

Every dot head on an H1b shops around for other work opportunities. I've caught scores of them red handed. Of course since it's not my business and I don't want to get in trouble, I never snitched on them. But maybe I should have...

Also, there's no reason that employers should be allowed to apply for green cards for work immigrants to live in the USA permanently. That's extremely globalist...


(unless the employee marries a US citizen)

This is a loathsome caveat loophole that needs to be eliminated in 2025 along with the birthright citizenship. The I-130, I-485s et al must be eliminated. If a US Citizen really wants to marry a turd world citizen instead of marrying American then they should go move to that country themselves, like Tom Hanks in Splash, or the main character in Avatar. Discourage foreign replacement, immigration fraud, and loathsome race mixing.



And we’re talking exceptionally talented people in general. These are the people that in an open, competitive job market would be able to shop for better positions (like exceptionally talented Americans do)
Untrue. Exceptionally talented people come on O1 visas, and typically from other first-world nations like the UK, Canada, Australia, the EU, and occasionally somewhere like Japan, where c-level executives and the like are typically based out of.

Your average Java or Python developer from India on a H1b visa is NOT "exceptionally talented" nor are they novel, unusual, hard to find, or hard to replace with an underemployed US Citizen with a bachelor's degree in a non-STEM major with 3-6 weeks of solid training.



There has also been abuses of this system. Indian consulting firms like Tata are known for this
I would know. I have a decent stack of W2s to show for from those companies, including but not limited to Tata.



They hire H1B talent and then subcontract them to other companies.
I would know. That's literally all they do. That's literally their entire business. Less than 1% of their employees, not counting those on "bench", actually work internally for the company. I say tariff and tax the crap out of them and their end clients, ranging from big banks to big tech, enough to fund social security for another century.



That means they don’t need to pay the average salary for a Google or Microsoft and they also don’t have to offer the nice benefits they offer, while effectively working for them. Furthermore this breaks the spirit of the visa itself that if the employee is not good enough to work for them, it needs to go back.
I think they were under investigation for that, but don’t know if anything ever happened.
The salary and even the benefits, depending on the firm, are more comparable than you think, and employ to all FTEs including H1b workers. For instance, US-based employers have offered stingier and stingier health insurance plans since the abomination that was Obamacare passed, and many of the Indian IT consulting firms have become very competitive in this department, with one such Indian IT consultancy company, Hexaware Technologies Limited (a firm I was employed with from July to November of 2020) which mostly contracts-out H1b workers to U.S. Government-affiliated agencies and firms such as Freddie Mac, Fannie Mae, etc. actually differentiates themselves in the market by offering top-of-the-line premium Aetna POS Choice II health insurance plans with a minimal deductible and maximum out-of-pocket at $1,000 or less to the employee, for minimal bites out of the employee's paycheck.



I think they were under investigation for that, but don’t know if anything ever happened.
:lol Unlikely. It's hard to sue a firm tucked away in a whole other country and a country that doesn't have many formal business and/or trade alliances with the USA, such as Canada, Australia or an EU nation, etc. Their rupees aren't shit but when they make as many U.S. dollars as they do and convert them back to rupees in their shithole country, they can stack far enough rupees to hire India's finest attorneys and lobbyists in India to keep the U.S. law at bay.

The best case scenario is they go away or get taxed and tariffed so hard that they're essentially forced to go away and that U.S. companies from smaller firms to big banks, big tech and government agencies, are required to pay a 40% surtax / tariff on every H1b visa job occupied position that can legally be filled with a U.S. Citizen.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Your Republicans won't pay for that. They want serfs who won't unionize or ask for market rates. It's very, very simple - not surprised you aren't getting it.

Unionization of tech jobs and the tech industry would be excellent.

You'd actually cap the market and set an artificial price ceiling that would only go up slowly with inflation; and companies wouldn't be forced to overpay but if they're also faced with a 40% tariff for any employment positions that are filled with immigrant visa workers, they wouldn't be allowed to underpay either, because naturally US Citizens rightfully demand a fair salary for a solid career job while H1b workers would undercut only for the sniveling chance at a green card for them and their vegan curry-guzzling, poop-eating, shower-in-sewage-every-other-year families.

Also, it would solve a lot of the problem of U.S. Citizens with underskilled (but trainable) degrees in non-(B)STEM fields and crippling student loan debt bitching and whining about their jobs at IHOP and Starbucks not paying a "fair living wage" (THOSE JOBS WERE NEVER MEANT TO BE LONG TERM CAREERS YOU MORONS, THOSE JOBS WERE MEANT FOR SCHOOL AGE KIDS TO WORK PART TIME TO EARN A NEW PAIR OF SHOES AND LEARN HARD WORK!!) because they'd be the ones earning the money, able to pay off their student loans, who would be replacing the H1b visa tech programmers and other employees that would be in turn kicked out of the country forever. No more U.S. employment dollars should ever become rupees and go to shitass foreign countries ever again.

#ToughOnIndia

I also believe all employed U.S. Citizens should be entitled to a $2,000 max-out-of-pocket-per-year health insurance plan if they're paying federal income taxes. Screw the health insurance companies and Obamacare both. They can go eat a bag of asbestos.

In short, Elon Musk, Ramaslimy, Vance's disgusting wife and kids et al. can go kick rocks and pound sand. Thanks for the election donations (but you sure shit the bed down ballot!), globalist mastermind, but, it is you who should be tariffed to hell and/or deported. :lmao

[Winehole23]

what did Vance's wife and kids do?

[Winehole23]

2016-7 H1-B stats

tl;dr

~75% of H1-B visas are issued to Indians, about ~10% to Chinese.

I guess they don't have "suitable" tech talent in Europe.

H-1B Visa Statistics (https://immigrationroad.com/visa/h1b-worker/h1b-visa-statistics.php)

[ElNono]

Untrue. Exceptionally talented people come on O1 visas, and typically from other first-world nations like the UK, Canada, Australia, the EU, and occasionally somewhere like Japan, where c-level executives and the like are typically based out of.

Your average Java or Python developer from India on a H1b visa is NOT "exceptionally talented" nor are they novel, unusual, hard to find, or hard to replace with an underemployed US Citizen with a bachelor's degree in a non-STEM major with 3-6 weeks of solid training.

O1 visas are for people with recognized international acclaim. This is the visa normally used by renowned foreign actors, athletes, etc. it’s a different target. H1B don’t have that requirement as they’re targeted toward filling the employment gap in areas where local talent is not available.

As far as talent, there’s absolutely exceptionally talented people that came with H1Bs, especially during the 90’s dotcom boom. Again, I know the system has now been abused and turned upside down, so not sure if that’s no longer the case.

For people asking about why largely no Europeans, the main reason is that most large corps have European offices and an internal transfer visa (L1) is simply more efficient for them, as there are no caps or lottery. Not to mention talent is really looking for an improved quality of life, something that Europeans already largely have, that’s why H1Bs tend to go to third world countries.

But this is where the Vivek cultural bullshit comes into play. He wants the workaholic slave python programmer. That just doesn’t work out in countries with high standards of living.

[SnakeBoy]

:lol Trump bends the knee to President Elon

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Resolved

[GAustex]

The more info coming out on this program the smellier it gets

The whole thing needs to be tightened up and hiring Americans should be first encouraged

Donald and his business butt buddies need to get their act together

[ChumpDumper]

Resolved

Did you flip-flop in line with your Trump?

[ChumpDumper]

The more info coming out on this program the smellier it gets

The whole thing needs to be tightened up and hiring Americans should be first encouraged

Donald and his business butt buddies need to get their act together

They did get their act together to screw American workers.

[GAustex]

Ain’t started yet
We will see

[ChumpDumper]

Ain’t started yet
We will see

Trump told you what Musk told him to do: screw the American worker.

[SnakeBoy]

Trump told you what Musk told him to do: screw the American worker.

Americans are getting screwed by foreign workers? Is that the new Democrat stance?

[Thread]

Americans are getting screwed by foreign workers? Is that the new Democrat stance?

...that and standing over that mudhole that Trump stomped in Kamala's ass.

[Winehole23]

Telsa’s filings illustrate the company’s increasing demand for highly skilled talent. In FY 2024, Tesla had 742 approved H-1B petitions for initial employment, more than double its total of 328 in FY 2023 and 337 in FY 2022. It came in 16th among employers for approvals of H-1B petitions for initial employment in FY 2024 after never cracking the top 25. The company’s demand for talent likely exceeded these annual totals, but Congress has set a yearly limit (https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2024/11/20/the-lasting-legacy-of-the-us-immigration-bill-raising-h-1b-visas/) on H-1B petitions that employers have exhausted for the past two decades.Tesla Emerges Among Top Employers Of H-1B Visa Holders (https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2024/12/12/tesla-emerges-among-top-employers-of-h-1b-visa-holders/)

[z0sa]

Tesla Emerges Among Top Employers Of H-1B Visa Holders (https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2024/12/12/tesla-emerges-among-top-employers-of-h-1b-visa-holders/)

Are you surprised?

[ChumpDumper]

Americans are getting screwed by foreign workers? Is that the new Democrat stance?

It's what Elon demands of Trump. This is your stance because you're being told to take it.

And you're going to take it like a bitch.

[Winehole23]

Are you surprised?not at all.

the private interest of billionaires is obviously the weathervane of the common good.

[daslicer]

I've been on the record bitching and moaning about curry guzzling dot headed IT Indians and H1b Visa's since at least 2014, 2015. :lmao They're taking our jobs, they're taking our money, they're taking our opportunities, they're taking our women, they're stinking up our offices and our toilets..... Will Hunting (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=17032) and others can confirm




:lmao I have a hard time believing that. Did some Indian guy take your woman and is that the reason why you are upset and against all of them?

[Millennial_Messiah]

:lmao I have a hard time believing that. Did some Indian guy take your woman and is that the reason why you are upset and against all of them?
I mean, no, they typically don't, but it's a good rhetoric point to say that, like "they're eating the cats, they're eating the dogs" type of thing. There was one H1b guy Bhavesh Patel who took a white girl the beginning of Covid in spring 2020, Amanda in Irving TX I "dated" a couple times (not really much beyond that though) and it seemed they were getting married after a few months so he could get his green card, but that's not a common scenario.

I do think it raises questions on whether we should eliminate the marriage green card loophole/application and I believe absolutely. U.S. Citizenship and even permanent residency in our over-full country should be regarded as very sacrosanct and thus Immigrants should not be allowed to sleep their way into a privileged situation. I also believe it's overdue time to get rid of the "married filing jointly" tax status and require each individual to file separately, especially since marriages are only a thing for a small part of the population relative to historically and now gay and trans marriage is legal, etc.

[Winehole23]

lol sacrosanct

[Winehole23]

you don't have to get all pious about keeping the country free of strangers

[Mark Celibate]

I've been on the record bitching and moaning about curry guzzling dot headed IT Indians and H1b Visa's since at least 2014, 2015. :lmao They're taking our jobs, they're taking our money, they're taking our opportunities, they're taking our women, they're stinking up our offices and our toilets..... Will Hunting (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=17032) and others can confirm


It was an Obama problem that Trump failed to fix from 2017-19 and it arguably got worse during the plandemic, but at some point in 2022-ish the tide shifted and companies realized, hey, if IT work can be done remotely, why not just keep them working remote from shit-ass India and pay them 10 cents to the dollar in rupees instead of bringing them physically onshore, sponsoring their visas here and paying them >$100k a year?


I'm on the side of MAGA, Trill Clinton (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=20413), but I've never been on the record as saying "blacks or Mexicans are stealing our jobs". The only jobs these lower-education demographics "take" are the lower-paying, service-level, hands-on type of jobs that the ordinary white American, especially those with some college or a college degree, would never work in a million years.



No, we don't.



For the fraction of the price of an H1b or similar visa sponsorship, they can just train already college-educated U.S. Citizens who are underemployed, may not have the right college major or whatever but they are U.S. Citizens born in the USA, instead of importing the turd world and turd world shitass culture, and HIRE AMERICAN ONLY. America First, motherfucker. Americans First. Trump needs to do this in Q1 2025 at the latest.

Impose domestic tariffs on tech consultancy companies like the Tata Consultancy Services and Infosys type companies from shit-ass India operating in the USA, and impose a 40% sur-tax on companies hiring from abroad, H1b or otherwise. Each individual imported employee shall cost the company in additional taxes, which will eventually force them to stop. Hire college-educated, underemployed U.S. Citizens instead, and fucking train them to code, analyze, learn technologies like Java, Jira and DataBricks, be a scrum master, project manager, business analyst, whatever need be. Install tax breaks and benefits for U.S. companies operating in the U.S. who strictly and solely hire U.S. Citizens to work U.S. taxable jobs paying $25 an hour/$40k per year or more. That shall do it. Tough on China is not enough. We need to be #ToughOnIndia to be truly nationalist, populist, America First.

Other than the ocassional genius, Jeets are pretty limited in terms of abstract thinking. They're pretty laborious if somebody spoonfeeds them a checklist on exactly what to do, but they'll never innovate sh!t or lead a major project to completion on their own. So you can hand them a low risk Junior level engineering job that pays $60k-$90k and still get ahead by underpaying them since the business impact is relatively low when they inevitably f*ck up, since the token overworked white guy will just clean up their mistakes. If you're a talented white guy who's high up on the chain in an architect or principal level role, you are probably still safe for the most part; but you're always going to feel the target on your back since the higher ups are chomping at the bit to replace you the first chance they can get.

I've seen firsthand, tech companies where the directors take regular/quarterly trips to India to see how quick the offshore team is learning and once they feel they're at a certain level, they layoff the onshore team. The people who are screwed the most tbh are Gen Z. The entry level IT jobs at Fortune 500 are pretty much all going to Jeet at this point anyway. Like baseline bum said, there's less and less Americans caring about STEM degrees because what's the point anymore? We're already oversaturated with H1Bs anyway.

[DMX7]

:lol Trump bends the knee to President Elon

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I don't care for Trump, but the way those statements are worded make it so they don't necessarily contradict each other. Ending "abuse" and like the program in general are not contradictions.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Other than the ocassional genius, Jeets are pretty limited in terms of abstract thinking. They're pretty laborious if somebody spoonfeeds them a checklist on exactly what to do, but they'll never innovate sh!t or lead a major project to completion on their own. So you can hand them a low risk Junior level engineering job that pays $60k-$90k and still get ahead by underpaying them since the business impact is relatively low when they inevitably f*ck up, since the token overworked white guy will just clean up their mistakes. If you're a talented white guy who's high up on the chain in an architect or principal level role, you are probably still safe for the most part; but you're always going to feel the target on your back since the higher ups are chomping at the bit to replace you the first chance they can get.

I've seen firsthand, tech companies where the directors take regular/quarterly trips to India to see how quick the offshore team is learning and once they feel they're at a certain level, they layoff the onshore team. The people who are screwed the most tbh are Gen Z. The entry level IT jobs at Fortune 500 are pretty much all going to Jeet at this point anyway. Like baseline bum said, there's less and less Americans caring about STEM degrees because what's the point anymore? We're already oversaturated with H1Bs anyway.

Honestly, apart from wanting to be some kind of doctor or lawyer or similar, there's really no reason to go to college anymore. For programming type jobs they value experience over education anyway and you can generally get an entry level position if you're legtimately good at coding even with just a high school or trade school diploma.


I don't care for Trump, but the way those statements are worded make it so they don't necessarily contradict each other. Ending "abuse" and like the program in general are not contradictions.

Either way he's been coming off as a fake populist who's stabbing his base that got him elected in the back. It's not like Kamala was a better option either so the voters were screwed regardless, but they'd definitely be willing to revert back to a populist middle aged Democrat with actual good campaign ideas that aren't snake oil populism nor outright communist, green new deal type bs etc.

[Mark Celibate]

Honestly, apart from wanting to be some kind of doctor or lawyer or similar, there's really no reason to go to college anymore. For programming type jobs they value experience over education anyway and you can generally get an entry level position if you're legtimately good at coding even with just a high school or trade school diploma.



Either way he's been coming off as a fake populist who's stabbing his base that got him elected in the back. It's not like Kamala was a better option either so the voters were screwed regardless, but they'd definitely be willing to revert back to a populist middle aged Democrat with actual good campaign ideas that aren't snake oil populism nor outright communist, green new deal type bs etc.

The days of coding are over, n1gga. I think the AI craze is overrated, but it does dumb down programming to the point where pretty much anybody can now slap together enough code to produce what they want. If someone is deadset on still doing it though, I'd argue the opposite: only do it if you're going to a top school and your parents are upper class and pay for the education. CS is too oversaturated otherwise.

If you're an average American Joe in his early 20s entering the workforce, I'm not even sure how you make a good living anymore. As I said before, if you don't come from a rich, upper class background and not going to be a doctor/lawyer, the skilled trades are the only thing left that won't get abused by cheap H1Bs. Shaniqua has already taken over the lesser skilled/non-technical/middle management white collar jobs at publicly traded companies so they can keep getting that Blackrock funding.

[ChumpDumper]

I don't care for Trump, but the way those statements are worded make it so they don't necessarily contradict each other. Ending "abuse" and like the program in general are not contradictions.

:lol Trump himself abuses the program.

[DMX7]

:lol Trump himself abuses the program.

The H-1B program? Do you have any numbers to support that? The Trump Organization doesn't strike me as the kind of business that even needs a whole lot of high tech workers.

[Winehole23]

The H-1B program? Do you have any numbers to support that? The Trump Organization doesn't strike me as the kind of business that even needs a whole of high tech workers.H-2B covers tourism and hospitality I think

[DMX7]

HB-2 covers tourism and hospitality I think

Yeah, I think that one is for low skilled temp workers. I wouldn't question if someone said he abused that one. :lol

[ElNono]

What’s the latest on this, tbh? Last I checked Vivek called Americans dumb and lazy and Musk agreed while adding the MAGA base is also racist. Then Trump bent the knee. Anything else after that?

[ElNono]

The days of coding are over, n1gga. I think the AI craze is overrated, but it does dumb down programming to the point where pretty much anybody can now slap together enough code to produce what they want. If someone is deadset on still doing it though, I'd argue the opposite: only do it if you're going to a top school and your parents are upper class and pay for the education. CS is too oversaturated otherwise.

If you're an average American Joe in his early 20s entering the workforce, I'm not even sure how you make a good living anymore. As I said before, if you don't come from a rich, upper class background and not going to be a doctor/lawyer, the skilled trades are the only thing left that won't get abused by cheap H1Bs. Shaniqua has already taken over the lesser skilled/non-technical/middle management white collar jobs at publicly traded companies so they can keep getting that Blackrock funding.

tbh, there are still certain areas that require top talent. Lots of top tier companies tried the outsourcing fad and are back to having their own teams. Even for menial things like tooling, it’s not worth it to risk a couple hundred million project on language, time and talent gaps.

[ChumpDumper]

HB-2 covers tourism and hospitality I think


Yeah, I think that one is for low skilled temp workers. I wouldn't question if someone said he abused that one. :lol

OK, that one -- though Trump says he has used H-1B specifically. I'll believe he's too stupid to know the difference.

[Winehole23]

why so much foreign talent?

they're easier to rob, for one

the $95 million dollar figure is an estimated annual underpay for a small cohort of overall H-1Bs


Thousands of skilled migrants with H-1B visas working as subcontractors at well-known corporations like Disney, FedEx, Google, and others appear to have been underpaid by at least $95 million. Victims include not only the H-1B workers but also the U.S. workers who are either displaced or whose wages and working conditions degrade when employers are allowed to underpay skilled migrant workers with impunity. The workers in question were employed by HCL Technologies, an India-based IT staffing firm that earned $11 billion in revenue last year. HCL profits by placing workers on temporary H-1B work visas at many top companies. The H-1B statute requires that employers pay their H-1B workers no less than the actual wage paid to their similarly employed U.S. workers. But EPI analysis of an internal HCL document, released as part of a whistleblower lawsuit against the firm, shows that large-scale illegal underpayment of H-1B workers is a core part of the firm’s competitive strategy.


Such abuses are likely widespread among H-1B employers because the Department of Labor (DOL) has done virtually nothing to ensure program integrity by enforcing the wage rules. More broadly, DOL props up the abusive outsourcing business model by treating contractor hires differently than direct hires when enforcing the wage and other provisions in the H-1B statute that are supposed to protect H-1B and U.S. workers. This outsourcing loophole allows firms like HCL and the big tech companies that use outsourcing firms to get around those provisions. Thanks to its failure to enforce the wage laws or close the outsourcing loophole, DOL is in effect subsidizing the offshoring of high-paying U.S. jobs in information technology that once served as a pathway to the middle classNew evidence of widespread wage theft in the H-1B visa program: Corporate document reveals how tech firms ignore the law and systematically rob migrant workers | Economic Policy Institute (https://www.epi.org/publication/new-evidence-widespread-wage-theft-in-the-h-1b-program/)

[Mark Celibate]

tbh, there are still certain areas that require top talent. Lots of top tier companies tried the outsourcing fad and are back to having their own teams. Even for menial things like tooling, it’s not worth it to risk a couple hundred million project on language, time and talent gaps.

yeah I don't disagree there...I mainly worry about those who are bright but have no experience fighting against the endless Jeet-spam for most entry level jobs imho.

It shouldn't be the case where the only American who can actually get a decent job in his 20s is upper class Chad, with a 10 inch schlong, who went to Harvard and has a 180 IQ and a double major in Quantum Physics and AI/Robotics

[Thread]

yeah I don't disagree there...I mainly worry about those who are bright but have no experience fighting against the endless Jeet-spam for most entry level jobs imho.

It shouldn't be the case where the only American who can actually get a decent job in his 20s is upper class Chad, with a 10 inch schlong, who went to Harvard and has a 180 IQ and a double major in Quantum Physics and AI/Robotics

Am I still on the shit list?

[ElNono]

yeah I don't disagree there...I mainly worry about those who are bright but have no experience fighting against the endless Jeet-spam for most entry level jobs imho.

It shouldn't be the case where the only American who can actually get a decent job in his 20s is upper class Chad, with a 10 inch schlong, who went to Harvard and has a 180 IQ and a double major in Quantum Physics and AI/Robotics

The good thing about tech is that if you like it and have the drive, there’s always new things to learn and get better at. I do know that if you’re middle-low of the pack and have no intentions to get better, you’re going to be on the losing end of the stick. This applies whether you’re American or not, tbh

[Winehole23]

https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/00-H-1B.webp
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[Winehole23]

with tech companies staffing it this way, it might be foolish to learn how to code

[Mark Celibate]

with tech companies staffing it this way, it might be foolish to learn how to code

now is probably the worst time to get a CS degree, that peaked in the 2010s tbh

[Winehole23]

sure looks like labor arbitrage


https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2024/12/Screenshot-2024-12-30-at-11.16.10%E2%80%AFAM.jpg?quality=82&strip=all&w=1024

[Mark Celibate]

Laugh through the pain. Them H1Bs are kicking conservative white men in the ass right now.

Ironically, I actually think Blacks suffer heavy losses when there's high immigration. They just become another group tbh. Like the China/Indian/Mexican man aren't obsessed with the "magic negro" and don't care about DEI. It's only in populations where whites are >70% that blacks are propped up and worshipped as idols because Der Boomer loves to signal his reverence for black culture