Game Thread: Spurs (18-17) @ Bulls (16-19) January 6, 2025 7 PM CST 3 AM RIGA 3 PM HAWAII

[vy65]

Jesus. Fucking. Christ.

[skin27]

:lmao Wemby 3 clank

[Tyronn Lue]

Bout to be swept by this mediocre Bulls team. This team can be a lot of fun, but this is not nowhere near a finished product. A lot of changes need to be made. Anyone not Castle or Wemby is on the table
Including the noob coach. Playing Pop Jr calls that TO after what, two plays in the 4th? Then after the TO gives up b2b 3's. Their after TO results have sucked, whatever he's doing during TO seems more detrimental than helpful.

[cutewizard]

Another choking loss ��

[vy65]

That’s what the play is after a time out. A contested 80 foot jump shot?

[Splits]

great play call, 16 seconds to go, Wemby from the logo

[Frenchfred]

I'm sorry but Wemby is soft

let's trade him since you seem to think that he sucks looking at your comments every single game

[tbdog]

Honestly, another coaches loss.

[TekXX]

Might be time for Pop to come back.

We'd be like 5 games under .500 with Pop.

[DAF86]

CIA Pop. Smh.

[LeBowen]

Cry all u want, but he is afraid to go to the basket

You fucking retard he's not afraid, he just doesn't have the strength to do it, is that so hard to understand?
He's got more turnovers than successful drives.

But you're a retard with no understanding for the game, so you just pop into game threads and spew nonsense as if Wemby is our issue and not a roster full of retards.

[LakerHater]

I hope that wasn't wht much drew up

[Kawhi Duncan]

Another game where half of Wemby's shots come from three... And we wonder why we lost

[vy65]

CIA pop hard at work, doing his level best to get the Bulls pick and give the fans free Portillos

[sananspursfan21]

For 3 minutes, they could have been going inside and drawing fouls. Pretty pitiful showing. I hope the FO is taking a long look at this roster, the record is kinda inflated.

[Spurs Brazil]

This one is 100% on Mitch Johnson. Terrible, terrible job on the rotations again.

[YoungbuckMurray]

Pathetic loss

[Knoxxx]

Spurs lack of a 2nd scorer never been so GLARING.

[onechance87]

Send vassell back to the fcking bench....No heart bitch

[ace3g]

2 games in a row where Wemby was stuck at 20 and 23 points respectively after having those totals early in the 4th quarter...

[Dex]

Wemby trying to heroball, but this game still was lost early in the 4th quarter

[Leetonidas]

This team is trash. They're much worse than their record

[Pauleta14]

Just imagining Sochan being part of this team for years to come is depressing.

Such a bad luck for Wemby (and us)

[Bill_Brasky]

Worst loss of the season in a season full of bad ones.

[TekXX]

Clearly not a reckless close out, cmon Sean.

[scott]

I tried to be nice this game but Vasselline really put up a fucking goose egg in the second half :lol

[LeBowen]

This one is 100% on Mitch Johnson. Terrible, terrible job on the rotations again.

Most close losses are on him.
We obviously wouldn't have won every game, but he's actively sabotaging the team with his shitty rotations.

16 minutes for our best shooter. Or should I say only shooter if we're talking textbook movements, others don't have that skillset.

[Tyronn Lue]

Spurs lack of a 2nd scorer never been so GLARING.
That lack didn't have 6 turnovers in the 4th. That's just poor ball movement, not valuing the possession and not having a play to run.

[Mugen]

:lmao

[mystargtr34]

I tried to be nice this game but Vasselline really put up a fucking goose egg in the second half :lol

:lol Vasselline

[spursistan]

Might be time for Pop to come back.

[Kurik]

At least it’s a win for the CHI pick :bobo

[sananspursfan21]

Including the noob coach. Playing Pop Jr calls that TO after what, two plays in the 4th? Then after the TO gives up b2b 3's. Their after TO results have sucked, whatever he's doing during TO seems more detrimental than helpful.

I’ve got a small amount of grace for him. Where I’m dumbfounded is this “young” team that can’t figure it out, meanwhile the Thunder’s youth gets it, the Rockets’ youth gets it, the BULLS’ youth gets it. Why are the Spurs the only team that gets to pull the “youth card?”

[ambchang]

Well, at least it helps with the Chicago pick. Just disappointing loss.

[Kawhi Duncan]

You fucking retard he's not afraid, he just doesn't have the strength to do it, is that so hard to understand?
He's got more turnovers than successful drives.

But you're a retard with no understanding for the game, so you just pop into game threads and spew nonsense as if Wemby is our issue and not a roster full of retards.

He is fucking SOFT.. get emotional if u want, but dude grabbed an offensive rebound and could have EASILY dunked it, but got spooked and passed it to the stands... He was guarded by GIDDEY, went to the rim, had an easy layup/dunk, but got spooked and passed it out... The guy tried his best not to use his height advantage on offense... He takes so many threes because he wants to score, but doesn't want contact

[twincam]

4th quarter chokes continue.

Free throws matter, yet they still don’t get it.

[Spurminator]

Sigh another "pounding the rock" L.

[heyheymymy]

I better get my #11

[Larry O]

No call on the foul and a jump ball, and the Bulls loose..

[onechance87]

This one is 100% on Mitch Johnson. Terrible, terrible job on the rotations again.

This loss is on vassell....Once again,Nowhere to be found.Our highest paid player with no heart.

[LakerHater]

Mitch's rotations are head scratching

[Larry O]

Spurs loose.

[ginobilized]

Bulls led for 47 seconds

I'm feeling the burn

[Kawhi Duncan]

Losing blowouts is a roster issue... Losing close games is a coaching issue

[cutewizard]

That's so disappointing

Probably all downhill from here now

Tank now, get Flagg

[Spurs Brazil]

It all started to fall apart when Keldon Johnson made a dumb pass and missed to open 3. And Mitch Johnson keep playing this shit player for 4 more minutes. This loss is on the Johnsons.

[timtonymanu]

This team needs to be blown up. Just not a playoff team at all.

[LeBowen]

He is fucking SOFT.. get emotional if u want, but dude grabbed an offensive rebound and could have EASILY dunked it, but got spooked and passed it to the stands... He was guarded by GIDDEY, went to the rim, had an easy layup/dunk, but got spooked and passed it out... The guy tried his best not to use his height advantage on offense... He takes so many threes because he wants to score, but doesn't want contact

You're just a hopeless fucking retard.

[rankingtear]

Big brain spurs lost. gave 2 wins to CHI.

[sananspursfan21]

I really hope the front office is prepared to lose anyone but Area 51 by the start of next season

[Kawhi Duncan]

I’ve got a small amount of grace for him. Where I’m dumbfounded is this “young” team that can’t figure it out, meanwhile the Thunder’s youth gets it, the Rockets’ youth gets it, the BULLS’ youth gets it. Why are the Spurs the only team that gets to pull the “youth card?”

Exactly... Our youth isn't the issue... We have a bad roster that's poorly coached... Recipe for disaster

[Frenchfred]

He is fucking SOFT.. get emotional if u want, but dude grabbed an offensive rebound and could have EASILY dunked it, but got spooked and passed it to the stands... He was guarded by GIDDEY, went to the rim, had an easy layup/dunk, but got spooked and passed it out... The guy tried his best not to use his height advantage on offense... He takes so many threes because he wants to score, but doesn't want contact

so let's trade him. Every single game you put the same comments. I'm sure we can find many teams who would love to have his soft ass. We can probably get 3 FRP for him and hope that we get a potential star in the draft

[Kurik]

Vassell might not even be one of the top 5 players on the team and that’s depressing.

[Dex]

Embarrassing fucking loss.

[Duncan2177]

Wemby needs to stop being so passive and take charge.

[Kawhi Duncan]

You're just a hopeless fucking retard.

Awww... My facts hurt ur feelings?

[Knoxxx]

At least Wemby padded his REB and block stats a bit.

[Tyronn Lue]

Losing blowouts is a roster issue... Losing close games is a coaching issue
Pop coached last year, ran Sochan as the PG. There's no alternate world where another Spurs coach does a better job. At some point players need to play the right way.

[Spurs Brazil]

That dumb timeout he called to start the 4th was also stupid. When Chicago got hot he couldn’t call another one because he wasted that early one.

[vy65]

What evident is that this team is full of really low iq players. I’m thinking Keldon, Sochan, Vasseline, and Zollins. Compared to the Big3, it’s like seeing the varsity team play against a bunch of Down’s syndrome kids in wheelchairs. There’s no ability to make the right play or execute said play.

[Kawhi Duncan]

so let's trade him. Every single game you put the same comments. I'm sure we can find many teams who would love to have his soft ass. We can probably get 3 FRP for him and hope that we get a potential star in the draft

No... He is young enough to change... He just needs better leadership... Our coaches are afraid/incapable and the teammates never seem to get on his ass... After maybe the 5th season if he is still soft, then we need to make major changes because soft players don't lead teams to rings... And I'm here to win rings ... Not cater to feelings

[sananspursfan21]

My Vassell questioning started around the beginning of last season. I’ve been about 95 on trading him most of this season, save for a couple moments where he’s shined. I’m now 100, this is what you get with him. His red hot start when he returned is the anomaly, not what he’s doing right now.

[Tyronn Lue]

That dumb timeout he called to start the 4th was also stupid. When Chicago got hot he couldn’t call another one because he wasted that early one.
Emulating Pop, without anything to deliver during the TO.

[LeBowen]

Awww... My facts hurt ur feelings?

What hurts my feelings is that there's no block option on this garbage forum so I don't have to read your nonsense.
You haven't made a single useful post ever, you just come into game threads to trigger people. Not one thought out post about the players, roster, coach, trades, anything.
Fucking retard.

[Blizzardwizard]

So many mentally weak players who only know how to lose games of basketball at the NBA level. People are delusional if they think Wemby is going to put up with this long-term.


We'll see if PATFO care more about winning at the trade deadline/this offseason or being a perpetual charity for "these nice young kids in their mid-twenties :cry ".


Not getting my hopes up for the former sadly.

[Kawhi Duncan]

Wemby needs to stop being so passive and take charge.

Be careful... Idiots in here will attack u for criticizing Wemby... He is above all negative comments

[Tyronn Lue]

No... He is young enough to change... He just needs better leadership... Our coaches are afraid/incapable and the teammates never seem to get on his ass... After maybe the 5th season if he is still soft, then we need to make major changes because soft players don't lead teams to rings... And I'm here to win rings ... Not cater to feelings
he's a bean pole. He cannot bang in the paint. Look at AD and Embiid, always on the DNP and they are bigger bodied than Victor. He's right to avoid most of that.

[ginobilized]

Our Play-in hopes are riding on the next 9 games

Some weird rotations tonight. Wemby needed to come out much earlier in the 4th qtr.
Sochan felt like an odd choice based during that end stretch, especially based on how he had been playing. That one block he had was pretty special though.

Learning how to win is a long and painful process. It will take some patience, sadly. The FO probably thinks this team has overachieved already and will be happy with us getting 35 wins.

[Larry O]

SMH... Not a good way to start this road trip. Unfortunately, bad feelings going forward. By the end of the trip, the Spurs will be below .500 and out of the playoff seedings.

[Kawhi Duncan]

What hurts my feelings is that there's no block option on this garbage forum so I don't have to read your nonsense.
You haven't made a single useful post ever, you just come into game threads to trigger people. Not one thought out post about the players, roster, coach, trades, anything.
Fucking retard.

I've been right about everything I've said on here ever, and it brings me joy when years later I see the consensus on the board lines up with opinions I've had... So cry all u want, that doesn't change the fact that Wemby is soft on offense

[BackHome]

It’s pretty simple we need upgrades at a few positions either through draft or trades.

[onechance87]

My Vassell questioning started around the beginning of last season. I’ve been about 95 on trading him most of this season, save for a couple moments where he’s shined. I’m now 100, this is what you get with him. His red hot start when he returned is the anomaly, not what he’s doing right now.

same here my guy...Now im getting that feeling with sochan now.This young roster just aint it with wemby.

[Tyronn Lue]

I’ve got a small amount of grace for him. Where I’m dumbfounded is this “young” team that can’t figure it out, meanwhile the Thunder’s youth gets it, the Rockets’ youth gets it, the BULLS’ youth gets it. Why are the Spurs the only team that gets to pull the “youth card?”
I don't think head coaches get that grace period. Don't interject yourself into the game if you have nothing to offer. Just let them play and manage minutes, stop trying to be Pop.

[Kawhi Duncan]

he's a bean pole. He cannot bang in the paint. Look at AD and Embiid, always on the DNP and they are bigger bodied than Victor. He's right to avoid most of that.

Those 2 players are soft tho... That's not even debatable... And what u said would make sense if he was going up against 260lb 7 footers... The guy gets guarded by Westbrook and GIDDEY and doesn't punish them

[Kawhi Duncan]

same here my guy...Now im getting that feeling with sochan now.This young roster just aint it with wemby.

I said this last year and the entire board attacked me... It's a cocky thing to say, and I expect u to bash me too, but that's why it's hard understanding basketball more than the average person... U see things waaay before they do, and u end up looking like a hater

[LeBowen]

Learning how to win is a long and painful process. It will take some patience, sadly. The FO probably thinks this team has overachieved already and will be happy with us getting 35 wins.

I don't buy this.
It would be a painful process if Castle was out there with the ball closing the game out.

We're ruining the development of our rookie and our best 3pt shooter by playing a huge net negative Keldon ahead of them.
If Castle was out there, learning and making mistakes in the clutch, I'd be fine with it.

There's nothing to learn when it comes to 5th or 6th year players, they are what they are. Maybe they have room for some improvement, but if you think they'll suddenly develop basketball IQ, you're in for a bad surprise.

We need addition by subtraction. We were playing better while certain players were injured and that can't be overlooked.

[LeBowen]

I've been right about everything I've said on here ever, and it brings me joy when years later I see the consensus on the board lines up with opinions I've had... So cry all u want, that doesn't change the fact that Wemby is soft on offense

No, you haven't been right, you're just a degenerate who thinks repeating the same thing over and over again will make it true.

[thiste]

First time I'm pissed at Wemby. WTF when you get the ball in a very good position in the paint, you gonna pass out to Sochan for a three? WTF man

Zero influx tonight, he disappeared in the 2nd half.

I hope it was just a day without. We should NEVER have lost that game.

[Frenchfred]

No... He is young enough to change... He just needs better leadership... Our coaches are afraid/incapable and the teammates never seem to get on his ass... After maybe the 5th season if he is still soft, then we need to make major changes because soft players don't lead teams to rings... And I'm here to win rings ... Not cater to feelings

but most of your criticism is directed at the player in his second season making 12 million a year while we have other players making way more with more experience and you don't seem to get as passionate in criticizing them. It seems that you have something against Wemby

[Tyronn Lue]

I've been right about everything I've said on here ever, and it brings me joy when years later I see the consensus on the board lines up with opinions I've had... So cry all u want, that doesn't change the fact that Wemby is soft on offense
Brother, Victor is not the problem. Halfway through year 2 and he's top 5 in the league. The rest of the team is hot garbage who cannot dribble, pass or shoot under pressure. Just because Victor looks like he could save the world doesn't mean he doesn't need a team around him.

[KingKev]

DV about to drop a 50 piece on Lavine.

Jinx!

[vy65]

What hurts my feelings is that there's no block option on this garbage forum so I don't have to read your nonsense.
You haven't made a single useful post ever, you just come into game threads to trigger people. Not one thought out post about the players, roster, coach, trades, anything.
Fucking retard.

Habibi, the ignore feature is your friend

[Kawhi Duncan]

No, you haven't been right, you're just a degenerate who thinks repeating the same thing over and over again will make it true.

Ur crying doesn't change facts... There's not a single issue I've been wrong about... Not one

[spursparker9]

:lol At least we up that top 10 protect pick chances

[PhantomDashCam]

- Thought Vassell had a great all-round first half and then an all too familiar second half...
- Castle has got to play in the end game of these close contests.
- Probably only rates overall 5 out of 10 on the "Spurs all-time loss frustration scale" or SALTFA for short (TM pending) :lol

[Borosai]

It's tough watching this team "play basketball." Too much dumb and not enough talent.

[Kawhi Duncan]

Brother, Victor is not the problem. Halfway through year 2 and he's top 5 in the league. The rest of the team is hot garbage who cannot dribble, pass or shoot under pressure. Just because Victor looks like he could save the world doesn't mean he doesn't need a team around him.

That's a separate issue... The roster is shit and the coaching is shit... That doesn't mean it's ok for Vic to go 9/22 because he rather shoot threes over dudes a foot shorter than him and lighter than him... It's completely ok to criticize ur best player... We live in this fucking LeBron era where no one should ever hold the best player in the team accountable for anything and instead bash the less talented teammates... I hold everyone accountable that needs to be held accountable...

[onechance87]

First time I'm pissed at Wemby. WTF when you get the ball in a very good position in the paint, you gonna pass out to Sochan for a three? WTF man

Zero influx tonight, he disappeared in the 2nd half.

I hope it was just a day without. We should NEVER have lost that game.

Nah....Not wembys fault he has good iq and made good play but his teammates cant hit wide open shots.
This is what the front office is giving wemby to work with.

[Kawhi Duncan]

but most of your criticism is directed at the player in his second season making 12 million a year while we have other players making way more with more experience and you don't seem to get as passionate in criticizing them. It seems that you have something against Wemby

Most of my criticisms are about coaching and Sochan... But because this is the year y'all finally agree with me (I've been saying this since last season), u only get triggered by the Vic criticisms and don't notice when I do it to anyone else... Vic is the best player and deserves the brunt of the blame (aside from Mitch) when he goes 9/22 in a close game and has zero impact in the 4th... Let's bring back criticizing the best player... That's how they get better... Coddling then is how u get Embiid

[Kawhi Duncan]

Nah....Not wembys fault he has good iq and made good play but his teammates cant hit wide open shots.
This is what the front office is giving wemby to work with.

Vic is a high IQ player that makes dumb plays waaay too often for my liking... Facing up against Westbrook multiple times so he can steal it isn't the fault of anyone else (except maybe coaching)... Getting the ball right under the rim and instead passing it to the front row is a dumb play... There's no excuse

[LeBowen]

but his teammates cant hit wide open shots.

And teammates who can aren't even in the game.

Our $30M a year second option is at 29% from 3pt on 5 attempts since he returned to the starting lineup.
Our $3M shooter who got benched because of that $30M player is at 45% on 5 attempts in that same period.
Guess which one doesn't close the games out?

[Tyronn Lue]

That's a separate issue... The roster is shit and the coaching is shit... That doesn't mean it's ok for Vic to go 9/22 because he rather shoot threes over dudes a foot shorter than him and lighter than him... It's completely ok to criticize ur best player... We live in this fucking LeBron era where no one should ever hold the best player in the team accountable for anything and instead bash the less talented teammates... I hold everyone accountable that needs to be held accountable...

If the problem is that Victor needs to improve his game, I think he'd be the 1st to say so but these observations should come after a win as well. Spurs are not in "win now" mode. They still see every game as a learning moment. The record doesn't really matter during this time to them, else they'd not have those terrible, low end scrubs soaking up Victor's early years.

[LeBowen]

They still see every game as a learning moment.

Then why aren't they letting their rookie learn instead of having 5/6th year net negatives out there?

[Tyronn Lue]

Then why aren't they letting their rookie learn instead of having 5/6th year net negatives out there?
Because they aren't serious about winning, they are just required to field 5 players. They have some assets in Castle and Vassell, maybe. The rest outside of the obvious are just randos.

[rascal]

They lost this game even with Paul playing an unusual good game.

[LeBowen]

Because they aren't serious about winning, they are just required to field 5 players. They have some assets in Castle and Vassell, maybe. The rest outside of the obvious are just randos.

You maybe misunderstood what I was trying to say.
If it's not about winning, but learning, then Castle must be on the floor way more than Keldon and must play through his mistakes.

[onechance87]

They lost this game even with Paul playing an unusual good game.

its on vassell....Dude cant even hit open shots no more.Cp3 and 5 other guys outplaying him once again.

[Knoxxx]

This gives us picks 11-12-13 in the draft I’ll take that.

[Tyronn Lue]

You maybe misunderstood what I was trying to say.
If it's not about winning, but learning, then Castle must be on the floor way more than Keldon and must play through his mistakes.
There's too much "new" stuff on this team, it's amazing they have the record they have. CP3 and Barnes in in their 1st year, Victor's 2nd. New head coach. Castle is a rookie. If anything the Spurs have outperformed where they probably should be right now.

[KingKev]

This gives us picks 11-12-13 in the draft I’ll take that.

Great we can draft the next Sochan, Primo and Vassell in one draft!

[TheBallsbreakers]

- Thought Vassell had a great all-round first half and then an all too familiar second half...
- Castle has got to play in the end game of these close contests.
- Probably only rates overall 5 out of 10 on the "Spurs all-time loss frustration scale" or SALTFA for short (TM pending) :lol
I don't know but we just can't trust Castle right now. His shot is totally broken, and he can't seem to finish contested layups.

[Arcadian]

Cry all u want, but he is afraid to go to the basket

It's not so much "fear" as he's addicted to the 3 ball. It's clearly his favorite shot, and he's made the stepback 3 his go-to shot. It's what his motor system defaults to doing when he doesn't have time to think.

I've always said I'm fine with him shooting 3s liberally, PROVIDED that he doesn't make it his go-to move. Please, please, please don't be a 7'4 hyperstar whose favorite shot is a stepback 3. For fuck's sake, anything but that.

[onechance87]

I don't know but we just can't trust Castle right now. His shot is totally broken, and he can't seem to finish contested layups.

Hes gotta master the floater...Think i saw him shoot one and make it and didnt do again the rest of the game.

[Frenchfred]

Most of my criticisms are about coaching and Sochan... But because this is the year y'all finally agree with me (I've been saying this since last season), u only get triggered by the Vic criticisms and don't notice when I do it to anyone else... Vic is the best player and deserves the brunt of the blame (aside from Mitch) when he goes 9/22 in a close game and has zero impact in the 4th... Let's bring back criticizing the best player... That's how they get better... Coddling then is how u get Embiid

actually I’m saying something tonight because you have been putting the same criticism about Wemby on many occasions and not so much on other players. If it wasn’t the case, I would have not reacted.

[rascal]

This gives us picks 11-12-13 in the draft I’ll take that.

A 4.5 % chance at the number 1 pick, same as the 9th team.

[Jordan Jackson]

You really have to wonder how much longer this Vassell/Sochan/Johnson/Jones/Collins experiment can keep going. You really can’t fix BBIQ.


The Spurs might be taking their patience approach too far. Claiming youth and development is an excuse. OKC full of young dudes, same with the Rockets.

Some of these guys played a play-in game together. Yet they’re still clueless in the clutch?

[spursistan]

The sad thing is that you could see that loss coming from mid 3rd quarter, and nothing was done to reverse the building negative momentum.. A mark of mediocre & bad teams is this "vomiting all over yourself over an extended period of time" part.

[spursistan]

You really have to wonder how much longer this Vassell/Sochan/Johnson/Jones/Collins experiment can keep going. You really can’t fix BBIQ.


The Spurs might be taking their patience approach too far. Claiming youth and development is an excuse. OKC full of young dudes, same with the Rockets.

Some of these guys played a play-in game together. Yet they’re still clueless in the clutch?
Long story short. They are who they are.

[itzsoweezee]

First time I'm pissed at Wemby. WTF when you get the ball in a very good position in the paint, you gonna pass out to Sochan for a three? WTF man

Zero influx tonight, he disappeared in the 2nd half.

I hope it was just a day without. We should NEVER have lost that game.

Yeah, that was the dumbest play of the game. I knew they were blowing it at that point.

How many dunks did Wemby have in the first half versus the second half? It’s the same story pretty consistently this season. On the other hand, the load he carries on defense is just absurd. No one in the NBA has to do more for his team on both ends of the court. It’s ridiculous.

[Ice009]

Just watched the game. Can't believe we lost the game. I was sure it was a certain win.


actually I’m saying something tonight because you have been putting the same criticism about Wemby on many occasions and not so much on other players. If it wasn’t the case, I would have not reacted.

Without Chris Paul, IMO, this team would be bottom 5 again. If they didn't get Victor, is it possible they'd be the worst team of all time?

[scott]

You maybe misunderstood what I was trying to say.
If it's not about winning, but learning, then Castle must be on the floor way more than Keldon and must play through his mistakes.

Maybe Mitch's strategy for Castle's development is to force him to watch Keldon yuck it up and tell him "see... don't be that..."

[CorrectCrusader]

I want chicagos pick so idrc about this game tbh. Just more proof Vassell and Sochan aren't winning players

[SPURt]

I don't know but we just can't trust Castle right now. His shot is totally broken, and he can't seem to finish contested layups.
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[RC_Drunkford]

I knew mid 3rd quarter that we gonna lose this one. Just lackadaisical play from everybody but CP3. Would've lost by 20 if it wasn't for Chris Paul making winning play after winning play in crunch time.

[Mal]

:lol they lost it

[NASpurs]

I went to sleep and the score was 97-84 in the 4th with the Spurs winning. I wake up and see they fucking lost. Can't say I'm surprised.

[Pauleta14]

First time I'm pissed at Wemby. WTF when you get the ball in a very good position in the paint, you gonna pass out to Sochan for a three? WTF man

Zero influx tonight, he disappeared in the 2nd half.

I hope it was just a day without. We should NEVER have lost that game.

Wemby is just doing what he sees as his job and what he's been taught to do. Which is pass to the open guy.

The pb is that Sochan should never have been on the floor

[sananspursfan21]

The defense is fine. There are some lapses and miscues but our guys can actually come up with some stops when it matters. What’s not acceptable are these 3-4 minute droughts that seem to happen quarterly on a nightly basis. The win against the Clips is the only time I actually saw them put together a relatively complete game. Droughts will happen sometimes, that’s basketball. But nightly? Almost quarterly within a game? That’s ridiculous, I don’t care who’s on your roster.

[TDomination]

I hope they really absorb this loss. The players hopelly seeing that you can't just stop playing midway through the game.
The fact that Chris Pauls hustle plays was the only reason we only lost by 5.
This is where putting your headdown and attacking the basket and creating fouls or looking for mismatches down low, etc needs to happen.
Smart basketball. Not just, lets hope the next 3 ball goes in. Getting something going towards the basketball during droughts is crucial.

These losses are worth it only if they learn from it.

[rascal]

Wemby could have destroyed the Bulls down low near the basket. They don't have anyone big enough to defend him. Instead the Spurs have him playing on the perimeter on too may possessions.

Problem is the spurs are fundamentally flawed as a team, not having enough reliable shooters and Wemby gets swarmed if parked down low near the basket.

[itzsoweezee]

Wemby is just doing what he sees as his job and what he's been taught to do. Which is pass to the open guy.

The pb is that Sochan should never have been on the floor

No one is teaching him to pass the ball when he’s five feet from the rim, nor should he. His decision making definitely needs improvement.

[Pauleta14]

Apparently there's been some tension in the locker room after the loss

I like it

[Fireball]

In the days of the Big Three the game in Chicago was always a tough one ... always on TNT Thursday and often a loss IIRC ... but man did our guys shat the bed last night. You should not lose to a team that should not be supposed to win.

[onechance87]

Apparently there's been some tension in the locker room after the loss

I like it

I bet...Wemby is so good that if his teammates are just a lil bit better we could be contenders and top 5 team in the west.
Wemby is playing with a bunch of role players,And its frustrating that we lose games cause we cant shoot or turn the ball over.

[Pauleta14]

No one is teaching him to pass the ball when he’s five feet from the rim, nor should he. His decision making definitely needs improvement.

He can't be the hero all the time, he's already carrying a huge load that clearly impacted him in the clutch recently.

My point was just that he should be able to rely on opened teammates when he's doubled, Sochan should not be on the court at that time. Any decent shooter would've made the shot like vs MIN and the pass would've been "the right play" Wemby has been taught to do since a young age. It's all reflex at that point.

[LeBowen]

Wemby is playing with a bunch of role players

This is the entire problem, they're not role players.
Good role players are exactly that. They know their role, execute it consistently and don't try to overdo it.
Champagnie, Tre, CP3 and Barnes are the only good role players on this team. Two 3-D players and two traditional pass first point guards.

If we had two more 3pt shooters who aren't a negative on defense we'd be doing way better than we are with Devin, Keldon and Jeremy.
Even if those shooters were the same as Champagnie, with no ability to put the ball on the floor. That's how bad things are.


Also, what's the source for the drama?

[Pauleta14]

I bet...Wemby is so good that if his teammates are just a lil bit better we could be contenders and top 5 team in the west.
Wemby is playing with a bunch of role players,And its frustrating that we lose games cause we cant shoot or turn the ball over.

Tbh I have no idea what it was about but it's rare enough for local medias to ask that sort of questions, they probably witnessed some tensions between some players (which ones?)

No idea if Wemby is even involved in those tensions

[onechance87]

Tbh I have no idea what it was about but it's rare enough for local medias to ask that sort of questions, they probably witnessed some tensions between some players (which ones?)

No idea if Wemby is even involved in those tensions

I did see a quote from victor saying they dont deserve to win more games the way they been playing.This roster has no eagerness
to be better or improve.Like we have no balls and no passion.Some players just have a loser mentality,And we need to get them
off this team asap.

[Pauleta14]

I did see a quote from victor saying they dont deserve to win more games the way they been playing.This roster has no eagerness
to be better or improve.Like we have no balls and no passion.Some players just have a loser mentality,And we need to get them
off this team asap.

Honestly I've lost hope.

They did nothing last summer and even extended Brahman and Wesley

I'm pretty sure Mitch Vassell Sochan or Tre will still be there next season bc PATFO will never admit having been wrong with their draft picks and home cooking.

We're not bad enough, most think we're over achieving = No change to come

[Ice009]

I hope they really absorb this loss. The players hopelly seeing that you can't just stop playing midway through the game.
The fact that Chris Pauls hustle plays was the only reason we only lost by 5.
This is where putting your headdown and attacking the basket and creating fouls or looking for mismatches down low, etc needs to happen.
Smart basketball. Not just, lets hope the next 3 ball goes in. Getting something going towards the basketball during droughts is crucial.

These losses are worth it only if they learn from it.

It's not so much they stop playing. It more that when the main guys like Victor, CP3 and/or whoever else is playing well go on the bench, then guys like Keldon, Collins etc. completely shit the bed when the starters/main guys go to the bench. They don't have anyone good enough to maintain the leads that were built.


Wemby could have destroyed the Bulls down low near the basket. They don't have anyone big enough to defend him. Instead the Spurs have him playing on the perimeter on too may possessions.

Problem is the spurs are fundamentally flawed as a team, not having enough reliable shooters and Wemby gets swarmed if parked down low near the basket.

I think he's trying to take a page out of Jokic's book and pass to his teammates, the only problem is, his teammates are even worse than what Jokic has to work with IMO (not sure if you guys agree?). If Victor wasn't playing for the Spurs (if the Spurs didn't win the draft lottery) and you also take out CP3, would the rest of the roster be one of the worst teams of all-time? Would they be in contention for the worst record of all-time?


No one is teaching him to pass the ball when he’s five feet from the rim, nor should he. His decision making definitely needs improvement.

I agree. I think he's trying to copy Jokic a little bit, but those shots are much higher percentage shots for Victor than even Nikola, so I think he should be taking them and not passing them out to guys who are terrible shooters. If it's Champagnie or someone that is a good shooter, fine, but otherwise, no need to pass to a wide open Jeremy or Keldon when he's got a much higher percentage shot. If they get mad about not getting the ball, tough, they can leave, or learn to shoot to warrant that pass to them.


Apparently there's been some tension in the locker room after the loss

I like it

Wow. That's a good thing IMO. I wonder what was said and by whom?


I bet...Wemby is so good that if his teammates are just a lil bit better we could be contenders and top 5 team in the west.
Wemby is playing with a bunch of role players,And its frustrating that we lose games cause we cant shoot or turn the ball over.

Most of his teammates aren't good. I agree with you there.


He can't be the hero all the time, he's already carrying a huge load that clearly impacted him in the clutch recently.

My point was just that he should be able to rely on opened teammates when he's doubled, Sochan should not be on the court at that time. Any decent shooter would've made the shot like vs MIN and the pass would've been "the right play" Wemby has been taught to do since a young age. It's all reflex at that point.

I think most people forget (even myself at times) just how much energy Victor exerts on defense. IMO, the load he's carrying on defense for a big man is incredible. I've never seen a big guy guard the perimeter like he can. He's out there guarding smaller players on the perimiter, blocking shots inside, rebounding and also even banging with the bigger/heavier players when he has to. He's really incredible on defense. That could also be a part of the reason he gets gassed on offense or can't exert as much energy on offense consistently. I don't watch Jokic much (I really should), but I don't think that he expends as much energy on both defense and offense as Victor does. Jokic's size (weight) and skill help make things a bit easier for him, though.

[scott]

I hope they really absorb this loss. The players hopelly seeing that you can't just stop playing midway through the game.
The fact that Chris Pauls hustle plays was the only reason we only lost by 5.
This is where putting your headdown and attacking the basket and creating fouls or looking for mismatches down low, etc needs to happen.
Smart basketball. Not just, lets hope the next 3 ball goes in. Getting something going towards the basketball during droughts is crucial.

These losses are worth it only if they learn from it.

We've had so many losses to learn from (PHI, NYK, MIN, DEN, CHI) just out of the last 8 games that it's going to feel like having to cram for the Bar Exam in a week for these guys.

[itzsoweezee]

He can't be the hero all the time, he's already carrying a huge load that clearly impacted him in the clutch recently.

My point was just that he should be able to rely on opened teammates when he's doubled, Sochan should not be on the court at that time. Any decent shooter would've made the shot like vs MIN and the pass would've been "the right play" Wemby has been taught to do since a young age. It's all reflex at that point.

I agree. He has a huge burden. I don’t think anyone in the nba is carrying a team on both ends of the court like wemby does. The lack of even a competent backup center means Vic can’t get sufficient rest when it’s obvious he’s gassed.

[Pauleta14]

I think most people forget (even myself at times) just how much energy Victor exerts on defense. IMO, the load he's carrying on defense for a big man is incredible. I've never seen a big guy guard the perimeter like he can. He's out there guarding smaller players on the perimiter, blocking shots inside, rebounding and also even banging with the bigger/heavier players when he has to. He's really incredible on defense. That could also be a part of the reason he gets gassed on offense or can't exert as much energy on offense consistently. I don't watch Jokic much (I really should), but I don't think that he expends as much energy on both defense and offense as Victor does. Jokic's size (weight) and skill help make things a bit easier for him, though.

There isn't one player that is as active and as important on both sides of the court than Wemby in the NBA. Not one. And he's 21 having to move a 7'5 body all over the court... It's insane and taken for granted.

I was gonna say maybe Giannis, but he at least has elite players to rely on offense and isn't the main/sole focus of opponents. Definitely not Jokic that I watch a lot.

I haven't heard one media or analyst pointing it when it's just absurd , and one more reason PATFO's passivity is upsetting. Taking time is one thing but with what roster? Why so many unnecessary handicaps??

[Obstructed_View]

Dat 2031 first round pick tho...

[Obstructed_View]

so let's trade him. Every single game you put the same comments. I'm sure we can find many teams who would love to have his soft ass. We can probably get 3 FRP for him and hope that we get a potential star in the draft
The only thing more embarrassing than that troll is the people who respond to his shitty posts.

[Sugus]

Honestly I've lost hope.

They did nothing last summer and even extended Brahman and Wesley

Bullshit, and demonstrably so. They brought in valuable vets who have already had a tangible and significant impact on team development.


I'm pretty sure Mitch Vassell Sochan or Tre will still be there next season bc PATFO will never admit having been wrong with their draft picks and home cooking.

Mitch is an assistant, why is him staying the Spurs being "wrong"? And how is keeping your draft picks not admitting to being "wrong"? Do you see other teams clear out their draft projects pipeline in a single off-season with regularity? What is the outcome of those teams?


We're not bad enough, most think we're over achieving = No change to come

Bad enough? Bitch, we're not good enough now... Ain't going downwards anymore until Wemby leaves.


You really gotta wonder what goes on some posters' minds.

[gilmor2002]

It's not so much they stop playing. It more that when the main guys like Victor, CP3 and/or whoever else is playing well go on the bench, then guys like Keldon, Collins etc. completely shit the bed when those man guys go to the bench. They don't have anyone good enough to maintain the leads that were built.



I think he's trying to take a page out of Jokic's book and pass to his teammates, the only problem is, his teammates are even worse than what Jokic has to work with IMO (not sure if you guys agree?). If Victor wasn't playing for the Spurs (if the Spurs didn't win the draft lottery) and you also take out CP3, would the rest of the roster be one of the worst teams of all-time? Would they be in contention for the worst record of all-time?



I agree. I think he's trying to copy Jokic a little bit, but those shots are much higher percentage shots for Victor than even Nikola, so I think he should be taking them and not passing them out to guys who are terrible shoots. If it's Champagnie or someone that is a good shooter, fine, but otherwise, no need to pass to a wide open Jeremy or Keldon when he's got a much higher percentage shot. If they get mad about not getting the ball, tough, they can leave, or learn to shoot to warrant that pass to them.



Wow. That's a good thing IMO. I wonder what was said and by whom?



Most of his teammates aren't good. I agree with you there.



I think most people forget (even myself at times) just how much energy Victor exerts on defense. IMO, the load he's carrying on defense for a big man is incredible. I've never seen a big guy guard the perimeter like he can. He's out there guarding smaller players on the perimiter, blocking shots inside, rebounding and also even banging with the bigger/heavier players when he has to. He's really incredible on defense. That could also be a part of the reason he gets gassed on offense or can't exert as much energy on offense consistently. I don't watch Jokic much (I really should), but I don't think that he expends as much energy on both defense and offense as Victor does. Jokic's size (weight) and skill help make things a bit easier for him, though.

Very good observations. Jokic kinda played slower than Wemby; but I saw during the OT, Nuggets have Jokic brought the ball forward, because obviously he can shoot the 3 pointer, or he can back down Wemby for an easy 2; or he can quickly pass to an open team-mate; I thought that was key of them winning. There is no way to guard Jokic one-on-one.

[ismael-robert]

He can't be the hero all the time, he's already carrying a huge load that clearly impacted him in the clutch recently.

My point was just that he should be able to rely on opened teammates when he's doubled, Sochan should not be on the court at that time. Any decent shooter would've made the shot like vs MIN and the pass would've been "the right play" Wemby has been taught to do since a young age. It's all reflex at that point.

Bend over n baseline bum will show u how to carry a huge load

[Ice009]

Very good observations. Jokic kinda played slower than Wemby; but I saw during the OT, Nuggets have Jokic brought the ball forward, because obviously he can shoot the 3 pointer, or he can back down Wemby for an easy 2; or he can quickly pass to an open team-mate; I thought that was key of them winning. There is no way to guard Jokic one-on-one.

I haven't watched Jokic much, just don't feel up to watching any NBA these days outside of the Spurs.

Really amazed when I saw the stats during the two Spurs games how well he has been playing all year. I am amazed at his shooting from three point range where they showed he was leading the league (Not sure how many attempts that is on, and if he still is after the two Spurs games as he missed quite a few threes that first game, but love the aggressiveness that he's continuing to take those shots. Looking back at it, Spurs got lucky he missed those shots in the Denver game). I remember a few years ago, I thought, man, that is impressive he's making those shots with his shooting form as I was a bit taken aback by it , but as I said in the shooting coach thread, form and technique don't matter as much if you can get your shot off against defenders and hit it with accuracy. He obviously has a feel for shooting the ball, so that is really great (Not sure if he was always a good shooter and just didn't take many, or if he's worked his way up?). It's very impressive that he's shooting better and better. Then you have the rest of his game which is also beyond great. His bounce back from the first to second game (not that he had a bad game the first one), and aggressiveness to take shots both games against the Spurs also wowed me. Victor detered him a bit, but he kept up his aggressiveness. I think he took a similar amount of shots the second game, but was much more efficient. Impressive season, and he has already made himself one of the greats. I think this season he's stamped his name there, forever, or at the very least, moved into top 10 territory now. TD saw this greatness early on as I remember after he retired, he was on Raja Bell's or someone else's podcast, and I remember Tim saying that Jokic is the player he likes to watch the most.

It even seems like he's getting Westbrook to play well, which I didn't think anyone could do.

[Pauleta14]

Bullshit, and demonstrably so. They brought in valuable vets who have already had a tangible and significant impact on team development

They literally brought the same roster that showed insane low IQ and passing limitations the whole past season. Adding 2 (valuable indeed) vets doesn't change the fact that you have to use the available players.

Basically keeping the same unnecessary handicaps bc of their ego and refusal to admit being wrong.


Mitch is an assistant, why is him staying the Spurs being "wrong"? And how is keeping your draft picks not admitting to being "wrong"? Do you see other teams clear out their draft projects pipeline in a single off-season with regularity? What is the outcome of those teams?

Mitch is indeed an assistant and if he remains in this role I'm fine with it, the issue is that PATFO seems to think he's Pop's successor and I really fear our decent ranking will prevent any change. I hope I'm wrong, I just have a bad feeling with so many sniffers selling how "legit" Mitch is.



Bad enough? Bitch, we're not good enough now... Ain't going downwards anymore until Wemby leaves.

Of course we're not good enough for my liking :lol I'm talking about outside and PATFO's perception. If we finish close to 50% it'll be considered a good season and a progression from the last one.

Hence the "not bad enough", in the sense of making PATFO change their "schedule" or accelerate their strategy.


You really gotta wonder what goes on some posters' minds.[/QUOTE]