Why the F do you use wood to build houses?

[DAF86]

With all this LA fires problem, I found out that most houses in the US are built with wood. The fuck, sons? Why don't you use bricks and cement like any sane person? I live in a shitty third World country and even we all know better than to build toy houses made out of wood.

[spurraider21]

particularly on the west coast, wood is more EQ resistant. tho fires are a bigger issue than EQs to be fair

when i was on the east coast, at least where i lived, there were way more brick/cement homes than CA

[DAF86]

particularly on the west coast, wood is more EQ resistant. tho fires are a bigger issue than EQs to be fair

when i was on the east coast, at least where i lived, there were way more brick/cement homes than CA

Chile has more EQ than the US and you won't see a wooden house there. In fact, it is law to build your house in a specific way with bricks and cement specifically to account for EQs. I'm not gonna pretend to be an expert on this, but the logic just doesn't add up.

[Millennial_Messiah]

particularly on the west coast, wood is more EQ resistant. tho fires are a bigger issue than EQs to be fair

when i was on the east coast, at least where i lived, there were way more brick/cement homes than CA

Wood is more earthquake resistant than cement and stone....? That literally makes zero sense. You build a deep foundation and cement the house many times to the foundation to minimize earthquake damage. How does wood resist earthquakes?

[Millennial_Messiah]

Chile has more EQ than the US and you won't see a wooden house there. In fact, it is law to build your house in a specific way with bricks and cement specifically to account for EQs. I'm not gonna pretend to be an expert on this, but the logic just doesn't add up.

Yeah, his argument makes zero sense. Wood is fragile and rots after a specific amount of time. I guess the only thing worse than wood is a glass home for earthquakes? And glass doesn't really burn, but wood is cheap and million dollar homes made of cheap wood are suffering the consequences. If the Jan 12-13 SoCal earthquake pans out it's going to cause lots more fires.

[spurraider21]

im not saying they SHOULD be using wood, just giving one of the expainers. as with a lot of things, i suppose cost and availability of goods comes into play

wood tends to be EQ resistant because it has some give to it without losing its structural integrity

[Millennial_Messiah]

im not saying they SHOULD be using wood, just giving one of the expainers. as with a lot of things, i suppose cost and availability of goods comes into play

wood tends to be EQ resistant because it has some give to it without losing its structural integrity
It has give to it but structural integrity is much better with stone, concrete, cement.

Cost and availability is the #1 and only factor and you know it. Capitalists will always find the cheapest way to sell for the most money and in California it's been out of hand for a long time. I'm not a capitalist, but it's easy to understand why they do that.

[SnakeBoy]

Wood is cheaper per sq ft

Muricans want moar sq feet

[baseline bum]

With all this LA fires problem, I found out that most houses in the US are built with wood. The fuck, sons? Why don't you use bricks and cement like any sane person? I live in a shitty third World country and even we all know better than to build toy houses made out of wood.

Gotta be honest, drives me nuts seeing people misuse the term 'third world country'. Mexico was never aligned with the Soviet Union.

[DAF86]

Gotta be honest, drives me nuts seeing people misuse the term 'third world country'. Mexico was never aligned with the Soviet Union.

Watchutalkinabout willis? I'm not Mexican, btw.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Gotta be honest, drives me nuts seeing people misuse the term 'third world country'. Mexico was never aligned with the Soviet Union.

:lmao multiple things wrong with this post.

A) The Soviet Union and Communist China was the Second World, not the Third World
B) DAF86 isn't from Mexico :lol
C) Third World countries during the Cold War era were "all other countries" not aligned with either the West/NATO nor the Communist or Soviet powers, i.e. the poverty world. But since the fall of the USSR third world has adapted to generally meaning impoverished countries/countries with questionable crime and security and human rights, i.e. what the retarded woke-left started calling "developing" countries in the 2000s just like they tried to change "BC" and "AD" to "BCE" and "CE" in history books tbh.

[baseline bum]

B) DAF86 isn't from Mexico :lol


same bullshit

[FrostKing]

California runs a $300Billion budget but couldn't prioritize keeping water hydrants full

State where environmentalists stand in the way of mandatory scrubbing and DEI exists

> "Deputy Fire Chief Kristine Larson says the department priority is that residents in crisis are rescued by first responders that “look like” them.

“You want to see somebody that responds to your house, your emergency—whether it’s a medical call or a fire call—that looks like you,” Larson says."

[ChumpDumper]

California runs a $300Billion budget but couldn't prioritize keeping water hydrants full

State where environmentalists stand in the way of mandatory scrubbing and DEI exists

> "Deputy Fire Chief Kristine Larson says the department priority is that residents in crisis are rescued by first responders that “look like” them.

“You want to see somebody that responds to your house, your emergency—whether it’s a medical call or a fire call—that looks like you,” Larson says."

How do you "fill" a water hydrant?

[FrostKing]

How do you "fill" a water hydrant?


^ email response to DEI firefighters

[FrostKing]

.

[ChumpDumper]

^ email response to DEI firefighters
No, I asked you.

But since you're acknowledging "DEI" firefighters know way more than you do, I accept your deference to their superiority.

[FrostKing]

No, I asked you.

But since you're acknowledging "DEI" firefighters know way more than you do, I accept your deference to their superiority.
“LADWP was required to take the Santa Ynez Reservoir out of service..."
It was a human calculated decision.


Insurance companies were prepared. Elected leadership was not.

Hydrants - not full

[ChumpDumper]

“LADWP was required to take the Santa Ynez Reservoir out of service..."
It was a human calculated decision.


Insurance companies were prepared. Elected leadership was not.

Hydrants - not fullSo it wasn't the DEI firefighters at all?

Are you drinking now?

Your answer is to never maintain reservoirs?

[Thread]

Smelt indeed.

[Thread]

MSM is working tirelessly to save Newsom here. He's scheduled to come out in less than 2 years as Presidential timber, and only him! He's White with Black tendencies, he's young, handsome, beautiful, and pure. He's it. If he can't be preserved over this FIRE business the D's have nobody else.

Burn, LA, burn!!!

[Donald Sterling.]

Bend over, I've got some wood you can build a house with.

[pgardn]

With all this LA fires problem, I found out that most houses in the US are built with wood. The fuck, sons? Why don't you use bricks and cement like any sane person? I live in a shitty third World country and even we all know better than to build toy houses made out of wood.

You completely don’t understand capitalism in the US for homes and apartments.
Also don’t understand earthquakes and what falls on you but that’s a different pick your poison subject.

btw, these are not log cabins. Wood is basically the skeleton for most homes.
Do you know what the walls and the roof consist of? And you also know people like TREES around their houses?
You know what trees are made of? In many of these fires in California there are so many trees involved as fuel you would be baked in your kiln brick house that would be missing everything inside it.

[DAF86]

You completely don’t understand capitalism in the US for homes and apartments.
Also don’t understand earthquakes and what falls on you but that’s a different pick your poison subject.

btw, these are not log cabins. Wood is basically the skeleton for most homes.
Do you know what the walls and the roof consist of? And you also know people like TREES around their houses?
You know what trees are made of? In many of these fires in California there are so many trees involved as fuel you would be baked in your kiln brick house that would be missing everything inside it.

Yall think you only have EQ up there? :lol

[pgardn]

Yall think you only have EQ up there? :lol

We have the combination of fuel (trees and undergrowth), O2 (winds) to create what is basically a BLAST furnace on the West Coast.

The year prior we had lots of rain which produced even more plant growth followed by a drought. Combine this with people living close together in a beautiful part of the world. It’s not like this has not happened before with our extreme variation in climate that we face now. No matter what you build with, once this blast furnace begins, you lose your home. It’s better to ask why California does not remove all the fuel for the fire including the very small % that goes into a home.

Dont build around fuel and high winds in drought conditions. Then your question makes sense. Packing people tightly together is indeed dangerous with wood housing. Any apartment complex made of wood is extremely dangerous in itself.

The interesting thing is that tens of thousands of people will NOT die like flooding in Bangladesh and India. Or earthquakes in Central Asia where people use the building material around them (Rocks) in heavily populated areas so they can die slowly or quickly when piles of cracked stone structures shake, collapse and crush them. ONE badly constructed high rise apartment without any wood can crush hundreds of people during one shaky night.

”The lights of LA shine brightly” as I saw it put with cruel subtlety. But I get it.

[Millennial_Messiah]

We have the combination of fuel (trees and undergrowth), O2 (winds) to create what is basically a BLAST furnace on the West Coast.

The year prior we had lots of rain which produced even more plant growth followed by a drought. Combine this with people living close together in a beautiful part of the world. It’s not like this has not happened before with our extreme variation in climate that we face now. No matter what you build with, once this blast furnace begins, you lose your home. It’s better to ask why California does not remove all the fuel for the fire including the very small % that goes into a home.

Dont build around fuel and high winds in drought conditions. Then your question makes sense. Packing people tightly together is indeed dangerous with wood housing. Any apartment complex made of wood is extremely dangerous in itself.

The interesting thing is that tens of thousands of people will NOT die like flooding in Bangladesh and India. Or earthquakes in Central Asia where people use the building material around them (Rocks) in heavily populated areas so they can die slowly or quickly when piles of cracked stone structures shake, collapse and crush them. ONE badly constructed high rise apartment without any wood can crush hundreds of people during one shaky night.

”The lights of LA shine brightly” as I saw it put with cruel subtlety. But I get it.
Is it even really that beautiful in So. Cal though? It's basically a semi-arid desert with an erratic winter monsoon that comes some years and other years like this year and certain other La Nina years, bypasses it to the north and east. Any foliage that grows when it does rain becomes dry and crinkly and prime fuel for the next fire when it doesn't rain for a year or so.

Compared to most of the rest of the West even, especially the Mountain West, and certain other (wetter) places that aren't prone to fire like the Redwoods of far Northern California. Apart from the Sonoran Desert parts of AZ/NM/far west Cali, south/southwestern California is one of the ugliest places in the West if not in the USA. Sure there are hills and there is ocean, but it's essentially flat, cheerless, dry, a massive fire hazard, and geologically and seismically unstable land. And at least with Phoenix you know it's not gonna burn down because it's literally desert and trees don't really grow there so if a haboob/dust tornado comes with 90MPH wind gusts and 110+ degree heat you still aren't gonna get a massive fire because there's just nothing to burn there.

East of the Rockies.... I get it, Texas is pretty ugly, as is most of the Deep South as a whole. It's humid subtropical and cheerless flat brush country. But places like West Virginia, Michigan, New Hampshire, Vermont, Maine etc are objectively more beautiful than most of California, especially the populated parts of California.

[pgardn]

Is it even really that beautiful in So. Cal though? It's basically a semi-arid desert with an erratic winter monsoon that comes some years and other years like this year and certain other La Nina years, bypasses it to the north and east. Any foliage that grows when it does rain becomes dry and crinkly and prime fuel for the next fire when it doesn't rain for a year or so.

Compared to most of the rest of the West even, especially the Mountain West, and certain other (wetter) places that aren't prone to fire like the Redwoods of far Northern California. Apart from the Sonoran Desert parts of AZ/NM/far west Cali, south/southwestern California is one of the ugliest places in the West if not in the USA. Sure there are hills and there is ocean, but it's essentially flat, cheerless, dry, a massive fire hazard, and geologically and seismically unstable land. And at least with Phoenix you know it's not gonna burn down because it's literally desert and trees don't really grow there so if a haboob/dust tornado comes with 90MPH wind gusts and 110+ degree heat you still aren't gonna get a massive fire because there's just nothing to burn there.

East of the Rockies.... I get it, Texas is pretty ugly, as is most of the Deep South as a whole. It's humid subtropical and cheerless flat brush country. But places like West Virginia, Michigan, New Hampshire, Vermont, Maine etc are objectively more beautiful than most of California, especially the populated parts of California.

Yes for anyone who likes to exercise and have a view. Temps mostly in the 70s most of the year if you can see the Pacific.
There are people running, biking p, playing VB, that type of wiffle baseball they have invented it’s wonderful imo. On calm days kayak right off the coastline for halibut. Mediterranean environments that are a bit more stable temps are very nice.

Cost of living is exorbitant though. And for me I don’t have the Texas coastline shallow bays that are full of fish due to regulations on keeping too many. Yeah Texas gov regulations has built a fantastic fishery. The way I get by with the summer exercise in Texas is swimming and biking. Surfing I won’t even harp on but I probably would have gotten into that in cali as kid. Surfing in Texas is a joke.

Btw I think the Texas coastline and back bays IS beautiful because I know it’s full of fish. All the marshes with numerous islands and back marshes is incredible if you like nature. It’s loaded with life.

[pgardn]

Is it even really that beautiful in So. Cal though? It's basically a semi-arid desert with an erratic winter monsoon that comes some years and other years like this year and certain other La Nina years, bypasses it to the north and east. Any foliage that grows when it does rain becomes dry and crinkly and prime fuel for the next fire when it doesn't rain for a year or so.

Compared to most of the rest of the West even, especially the Mountain West, and certain other (wetter) places that aren't prone to fire like the Redwoods of far Northern California. Apart from the Sonoran Desert parts of AZ/NM/far west Cali, south/southwestern California is one of the ugliest places in the West if not in the USA. Sure there are hills and there is ocean, but it's essentially flat, cheerless, dry, a massive fire hazard, and geologically and seismically unstable land. And at least with Phoenix you know it's not gonna burn down because it's literally desert and trees don't really grow there so if a haboob/dust tornado comes with 90MPH wind gusts and 110+ degree heat you still aren't gonna get a massive fire because there's just nothing to burn there.

East of the Rockies.... I get it, Texas is pretty ugly, as is most of the Deep South as a whole. It's humid subtropical and cheerless flat brush country. But places like West Virginia, Michigan, New Hampshire, Vermont, Maine etc are objectively more beautiful than most of California, especially the populated parts of California.

If desert, not enough trees grow you don’t have a fire hazard. Maybe small grass fires.
All of these states have undesirable aspects if you don’t like particular seasons. And now the hot and cold have become more extreme not to mention the wind and rain. climate change allows the board to rag on any state now, and costs trillions of dollars. But the red team thinking goes as far as their own life, not their kids and grandkids and so on.

[SnakeBoy]

The owner of a nearly $9 million Malibu mansion miraculously spared being leveled by the raging Los Angeles wildfires told The Post on Friday he was stunned to learn that when the smoke cleared, it was still standing.

“It’s a miracle — miracles never cease,” said retired waste-management exec and married dad of three David Steiner, 64, of Texas.
“It’s stucco and stone with a fireproof roof,’’ he said

https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2025/01/topanga-state-beach-home-david-96520060.jpg?resize=1024,683&quality=75&strip=all

[SnakeBoy]

If desert, not enough trees grow you don’t have a fire hazard. Maybe small grass fires.
All of these states have undesirable aspects if you don’t like particular seasons. And now the hot and cold have become more extreme not to mention the wind and rain. climate change allows the board to rag on any state now, and costs trillions of dollars. But the red team thinking goes as far as their own life, not their kids and grandkids and so on.

You think the forests of LA burned?

[pgardn]

You think the forests of LA burned?

The trees in the surrounding idiot. There ARE trees in LA you dork. Eucalyptus and conifers.
FUEL and WIND. The undergrowth helps to get the trees burning. That’s What led to this much destruction. Blast furnace temps.
If you look at the OUTSKIRTS of any of these blast furnaces it naturally you will see it does not get as hot.

OMG. SNAKE FOUND a picture on a BEACH. The damn thing stopped at the Pacific Ocean? It’s a miracle!
Read any article with good understanding and it will mention fuel and fire. The houses themselves are NOT the major fuel that lets these things run rampant. Unless it’s already started and the houses are in very close proximity to other fuel.

The problem is there is too much fuel vegetation with very dry conditions and high wind. This is not the first fire even in Malibu. They have heavy rain out of season, lots of undergrowth, then dry conditions (drought). Just like Texas had the same thing in less populated and less expensive area. Have you heard of smokehouse creek? Read about it. All of these types of events are MORE LIKELY with the wild variation we have in climate now.

[pgardn]

don’t worry snacks

None of this affects you

I have a little experiment for you to try at home.
it will help you understand you do not have to be in flames to burst into a fire.
Just ask.

[ChumpDumper]

lol snacks murked

[SnakeBoy]

Have you heard of smokehouse creek?

That was when the great forests of the Texas panhandle burned right?

[pgardn]

That was when the great forests of the Texas panhandle burned right?

It burned a hell of a lot of trees, especially cottonwood.
The trees burned were the hottest part of the fire that the GOES satellite was able to differentiate from grass vs. shrub.
The riparian zones that contain large numbers of trees in many areas were all burned.
Snake has never seen that dry creek beds can have very large trees because, amazingly enough, the creeks are not always dry and can have very large trees. And furthermore imagine that people tend to be in towns and cities around water sources like can be found in the north east Panhandle.

[pgardn]

Again unexpectedly large rains followed by the growth of fuel (grass, shrubs and TREES)
Followed by long periods of drought.
Add in excessively strong wind lasting for weeks.

This is not that difficult.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Again unexpectedly large rains followed by the growth of fuel (grass, shrubs and TREES)
Followed by long periods of drought.
Add in excessively strong wind lasting for weeks.

This is not that difficult.

That's California weather for you. Part of the appeal of people living there, to have all your rain come from mid January to mid March, as opposed to living in say the Midwest, Texas, Northeast or the South, which mostly never gets fires, outside of a few anomalies like the Windy City fires, because their rain is distributed across the four seasons, downside of living there you don't know when a pleasant weather day will turn into a rainy, stormy, or snowy disaster. In California weather is very predictable and generally temperate outside of a few late-summer heat waves, fires, and earthquakes. But you can be pretty damn confident you won't get a random unexpected rain in the summer or fall.

[pgardn]

That's California weather for you. Part of the appeal of people living there, to have all your rain come from mid January to mid March, as opposed to living in say the Midwest, Texas, Northeast or the South, which mostly never gets fires, outside of a few anomalies like the Windy City fires, because their rain is distributed across the four seasons, downside of living there you don't know when a pleasant weather day will turn into a rainy, stormy, or snowy disaster. In California weather is very predictable and generally temperate outside of a few late-summer heat waves, fires, and earthquakes. But you can be pretty damn confident you won't get a random unexpected rain in the summer or fall.

The rain patterns in California have become much less predictable as has the wind.
Crops that used to be grown year to year in the same basic valleys or what not have to be changed now.
Farmers are going to have to be very flexible with what they grow or you and I will bail them out again and again. We have to be the same way in cities now, flexible with water and temp changes. Richer folks are definitely changing houses in more than two places from season to season now. Poorer people are going to have to find some way to migrate as well. We knew these changes in climate were coming, but the pace and difficulty in predictions have been very surprising.

The part you bolded above is also what has happened in other states. Locally we are going to all have to be more vigilant about getting rid of undergrowth that proliferates at times it has not in the past. And so much more. Look at the erosion along the NEW shoreline in the picture snacks put up. No one in their right mind would have started building there. It’s snack’s natural firebreak, so y’all got that going for you. The Pacific is not on fire.

[DAF86]

The owner of a nearly $9 million Malibu mansion miraculously spared being leveled by the raging Los Angeles wildfires told The Post on Friday he was stunned to learn that when the smoke cleared, it was still standing.

“It’s a miracle — miracles never cease,” said retired waste-management exec and married dad of three David Steiner, 64, of Texas.
“It’s stucco and stone with a fireproof roof,’’ he said

https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2025/01/topanga-state-beach-home-david-96520060.jpg?resize=1024,683&quality=75&strip=all

Go figure :lol

[pgardn]

Go figure :lol

Go figure it’s on the shoreline and those houses still have wood that has not been turned crispy. Look at the picture.
Like I said, on the outskirts, where the fire is not as hot, you would expect to find this. now tell me while why those houses are on the shoreline? look at the sand and look at where the water level reaches. Completely stupid place to have a house including a solid block of concrete. These houses were in trouble before the fire. All of them. Look at the erosion of the bulkhead (sea wall)

I just saw the 9 million dollar worth for a house that’s going to be eaten by the sea. LOL. The Texas homeowner has never been to his own coastline I guess. Buy it now snacks, no neighbors to bother you.

[SnakeBoy]

I just saw the 9 million dollar worth for a house that’s going to be eaten by the sea. LOL. The Texas homeowner has never been to his own coastline I guess. Buy it now snacks, no neighbors to bother you.

Looks fine to me

https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2025/01/2025-pacific-palisades-california-view-96473000_489fac.jpg?resize=1024,683&quality=75&strip=all

“It’s stucco and stone with a fireproof roof,’’ he said, adding that it also includes pilings “like 50 feet into the bedrock’’ to keep it steady when powerful waves crash into the seawall below it.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Go figure :lol

The house still standing = Kansas City Chiefs

The burnt down houses = the rest of the NFL

[Millennial_Messiah]

The rain patterns in California have become much less predictable as has the wind.
Crops that used to be grown year to year in the same basic valleys or what not have to be changed now.
Farmers are going to have to be very flexible with what they grow or you and I will bail them out again and again. We have to be the same way in cities now, flexible with water and temp changes. Richer folks are definitely changing houses in more than two places from season to season now. Poorer people are going to have to find some way to migrate as well. We knew these changes in climate were coming, but the pace and difficulty in predictions have been very surprising.

The part you bolded above is also what has happened in other states. Locally we are going to all have to be more vigilant about getting rid of undergrowth that proliferates at times it has not in the past. And so much more. Look at the erosion along the NEW shoreline in the picture snacks put up. No one in their right mind would have started building there. It’s snack’s natural firebreak, so y’all got that going for you. The Pacific is not on fire.
Yeah that's a big problem in California that doesn't really exist everywhere like Wyoming or Arizona where all you have is those ugly little sagebush shrubs and bare desert. Whereas in Cali it looks like desert but you have tons of undergrowth that is fire fuel if it hasn't been rained on between late March and mid January.

[pgardn]

Looks fine to me

https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2025/01/2025-pacific-palisades-california-view-96473000_489fac.jpg?resize=1024,683&quality=75&strip=all

“It’s stucco and stone with a fireproof roof,’’ he said, adding that it also includes pilings “like 50 feet into the bedrock’’ to keep it steady when powerful waves crash into the seawall below it.

Yeah and when the storm ways crash over the top as well and the water has to go somewhere...
Its perfect for you. WHEN the waves... The guy had 9 million to waste.

Just buy it snake. Sounds like the guy has it for sale anyways presenting it that way.
I want to see the insurance rates. LOL!

One good storm and little area is done.

One good thing is it does not look like much vegetation is on the backside. So when you get heavy rains and a mudslide occur you can get out and you might get buried.
Just an absolutely stupid place to live unless you are as old as Snacks. You got a lot of info on this real estate snacks, so insurance, waddya thaink?

[pgardn]

We have the combination of fuel (trees and undergrowth), O2 (winds) to create what is basically a BLAST furnace on the West Coast.

The year prior we had lots of rain which produced even more plant growth followed by a drought. Combine this with people living close together in a beautiful part of the world. It’s not like this has not happened before with our extreme variation in climate that we face now. No matter what you build with, once this blast furnace begins, you lose your home. It’s better to ask why California does not remove all the fuel for the fire including the very small % that goes into a home.

Dont build around fuel and high winds in drought conditions. Then your question makes sense. Packing people tightly together is indeed dangerous with wood housing. Any apartment complex made of wood is extremely dangerous in itself.

The interesting thing is that tens of thousands of people will NOT die like flooding in Bangladesh and India. Or earthquakes in Central Asia where people use the building material around them (Rocks) in heavily populated areas so they can die slowly or quickly when piles of cracked stone structures shake, collapse and crush them. ONE badly constructed high rise apartment without any wood can crush hundreds of people during one shaky night.

”The lights of LA shine brightly” as I saw it put with cruel subtlety. But I get it.


Read again.