Game Thread: Spurs @ Heat -- 1/19/2025 - 2pm CST / 10pm Riga Time /10am Hawaiian Time

[scott]

Surprised I didn't see one up yet since tipoff is in 13 minutes.

Official midway point of the season. Can we bounce back from a rough stretch, or is this the start of our spiral? Tough stretch coming up... we play at home on February 1, and then don't play again in San Antonio until March 2. Brutal. Could get ugly.

Sochan is out.

GSG

[TheBallsbreakers]

Hope they bounce back in this game. Go Spurs go

[scott]

Easiest first bucket we've ever seen Wemby score. Pick N' Roll layup. Let's do more of this and less Wemby Logo 3s to open games

[rascal]

Who cares about watching this with the NFL playoffs going on at the same time.

[Uriel]

Castle should stick to wide open corner 3's, a la Bruce Bowen. I think he can hit those at a high percentage.

[scott]

I like this defensive strategy early.

We're hiding Vassell on Duncan Robinson and Devin isn't doubling down and can play passing lanes. CP3 on Highsmith, who isn't going to do anything on his own anyway. Good plan.

Just as I typed that, Robinson used screens to lose Devin and get a layup but we'll take that.

[scott]

Wemby taking advantage of being guarded by Herro in the post... he's evolving...

[TheBallsbreakers]

Good start for the big fella.

[Larry O]

The D-rebounding is biting them in the butt again, and shooting has gone cold until Wemby's dunk and 3 pointer.

[TheBallsbreakers]

That pick n roll for the first 2 points should be featured more often. Sadly they rarely ever do that. And has not gone back to it since.

[LeBowen]

Who cares about watching this with the NFL playoffs going on at the same time.

Then don't watch, just leave your usual comment how Spurs need to tank.


Solid start, but this Heat roster is on it's last legs.

[RC_Drunkford]

Bassey does some stupid shit every game

[TheBallsbreakers]

Castle missed KJ there in the wing.

[scott]

Aside from seeming completely without a plan on the quarter ending play (again), one of the best quarters I've seen from Devin in a long time. Playing within himself on offense, locked in on defense, generating stocks, crashing the boards on defense. Great stuff. If he could play like this all the time, I'd be a fan.

[TheBallsbreakers]

They've altered Wemby rotations it seems.

[Pauleta14]

NBA record for consecutive games with at least a block is 76. Wemby is at 74 iircc

[LeBowen]

Champ lost minutes while he was playing well wnd now he's out of rythm.

[RC_Drunkford]

They've altered Wemby rotations it seems.

about time tbh

[Strategic]

Come on Spurs

[scott]

Only a net -1 during Wemby's bench minutes, and that includes a missed goaltending call on MIA. Progress?

[Larry O]

Geez, again, the Spurs just can't get those easy shots with this current lineup, SMH...

[onechance87]

our offense has stalled,Yet johnston takes his sweet time making subs.MORON

[Spursfanfromafar]

The non-Wemby minutes require a much more well rounded big. Bassey tries, but he is an energy big who can't be more than a situational player. Spurs, better get a backup C worth playing non-Wemby if they are keen on getting into the play-in.

[scott]

Wemby gets his block. 75 straight.

[scott]

I understand Wemby wants to develop this running one legged shot, but they aren't even close. Maybe more time in practice and not in games quite yet?

[Larry O]

Now, the TO machine for the Spurs has been turned on.

[onechance87]

get tre jones off this team

[CorrectCrusader]

Can't believe we were begging for Tre Jones to play more last season. He's fucking useless

[scott]

Mitch seems to have forgotten CP3 is on the team

[LeBowen]

Tre is entering charity case territory.

[Pauleta14]

MEM has set a new blueprint to play vs Wemby

[RC_Drunkford]

Tre is on an expiring contract. Trade his ass and get some value back

[Dex]

Tre is so afraid to shoot the ball...he gives up a layup to pass out to Wemby for three.

This offense is broken.

[YoungbuckMurray]

Why exactly has CP3 been on the bench forever. Jones is awful would rather Bran or Wesley play over him

[ginobilized]

Tre and Champagne looking lost out there

[RC_Drunkford]

somebody has to tell these guys that getting to the line is a way to score if your shots ain't falling

[Leetonidas]

This team is so predictable

[YoungbuckMurray]

This team continuous to have just absolutely pathetic quarters of basketball

[Tyronn Lue]

This isn't even a team. This is 5 players going one on one until they need to be bailed out. Coaching is completely absent.

[Larry O]

Collapse incoming with the missed one and dones by the Spurs and the Heat's ability to score their 3's.

[Dex]

We have the tallest player in the league and we just drive and keep throwing the ball out to the fucking three-point line every time we get in the paint.

[TekXX]

Should i watch the NFL playoffs or the Spurs lose another game?

[ginobilized]

D looks severely lacking

O is even worse, it's like they are looking for quick low percentage shots every time

[ace3g]

5:07
https://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/teamlogos/nba/500/scoreboard/sa.png&scale=crop&cquality=40&location=origin&w=40&h=40
Devin Vassell makes 17-foot two point shot (Victor Wembanyama assists)
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1:36 - 2nd





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[Leetonidas]

Victor choking at the line now smh

[Mugen]

Such a loser, low IQ team

[scott]

Do with this what you will:

Against MEM, Wemby returns in the third, MEM goes on 16-0 run.

Against MIA, Wemby returns in the second, MIA goes on what I believe is a 16-2 run.

[Tyronn Lue]

We have the tallest player in the league and we just drive and keep throwing the ball out to the fucking three-point line every time we get in the paint.
I'm still waiting for the 1st possession where the ball goes around the horn vs two man or 1:1.

[Mugen]

Fn Bricktor

[CorrectCrusader]

I need Victor to seek contact on those drives. He's avoiding contact and it's throwing off his touch

[RC_Drunkford]

WTF is Wemby doing out there?

[YoungbuckMurray]

This team can’t even make a fucking FT

[Spursfanfromafar]

Wemby playing awful after a great start. Seems confused about what is the right way to play - shoot or get it to the hoop. Needs a lot more poise in the 3rd quarter.

[Leetonidas]

Victors lack of offense is becoming a concern. He still has no go to moves at all

[Thomas82]

Wemby is struggling bad at the free throw line today.

[onechance87]

wemby playing bad no excuse

[RC_Drunkford]

scored 11 points in 12 minutes :lol

[sananspursfan21]

The TV says basketball, but what game are those white jersey guys playing?!

[LeBowen]

This is worse coaching than what Monty did with the Pistons.
Mitch is not up to the task, but a bigger issue is that the assistants also seem to be useless.

[Mugen]

Losers up and down the roster. What a horrible FO and coaching setup tbh

[Pauleta14]

0/6 and 0/2 FT since he came bck

WTF is wrong with Wemby...

[RC_Drunkford]

Mitch really has to use Mamu and Blake a lot more once our players stink it up and can't make a shot. Shit he could even play Branham for 2 minutes if he needs somebody to make a shot. It's not like Tre Jones is any better than these guys.

[sananspursfan21]

Sean said it in the broadcast, but just to simply put something on the board is better than chucking up forced threes. Anything inside the arc is worth 2 points, just put something on the board.

[Larry O]

C'mon Wimpy Ganas! Don't be soft around the rim! ATTACK and get the foul!!!

[AusSpur]

Spurs were up 39 - 26 and finished the half down 41 - 46

The runs opponents get on against the Spurs with no resistance from coach or player are disturbing.

[ginobilized]

Gotta find ways to get good shots. The Offense has been so shitty the past few games.
Physicality seems to really bother this team recently.

We are having a mid-season identity crisis. Maybe they can watch How Stella Got Her Groove Back on the plane to France?

[ace3g]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ghr1FKPXUAAUR-k?format=jpg&name=medium

[Tyronn Lue]

The TV says basketball, but what game are those white jersey guys playing?!
There are probably more players to touch the ball on any given football play than what the Spurs are running. My guess is that the first person who gets the basketball goes for touchdown and if someone gets in the way they lateral.

[Dex]

Sean said it in the broadcast, but just to simply put something on the board is better than chucking up forced threes. Anything inside the arc is worth 2 points, just put something on the board.

They're playing like they want to be the Warriors, except all of our three-point shooters are awful

[Pauleta14]

Mitch willingness to have a more balanced production from the top players has lead to this Wemby's offensive slump imo.

He's questioning himself too much now and wants to be the perfect teammate, pass to the open guy etc

He needs to grow up and act like the Alpha he is supposed to be and stop this socialist basketball

[Mal]

Cute little 11 pts quater

[onechance87]

Spurs were up 39 - 26 and finished the half down 41 - 46

The runs opponents get on against the Spurs with no resistance from coach or player are disturbing.

soft tanking:depressed

[Tyronn Lue]

Gotta find ways to get good shots. The Offense has been so shitty the past few games.
Physicality seems to really bother this team recently.

We are having a mid-season identity crisis. Maybe they can watch How Stella Got Her Groove Back on the plane to France?
Several glaring issues on offense.
1. No structure to the offense/no apparent plays.
2. Spacing sucks
3. No good shooters on the team
4. Passing is terrible

Just small stuff

[sananspursfan21]

They're playing like they want to be the Warriors, except all of our three-point shooters are awful

Exactly. The Warriors kinda broke basketball. Sure, you got the talent of the Warriors, shoot away. The Spurs have two, maybe three *decent* three point shooters and no knockdown guys. The Warriors formula isn’t going to work. I’ll go out on a limb and say they’ve got a better chance at winning by working the ball around and not taking a single three than they do kidding themselves and chucking forced 3s.

[sananspursfan21]

There are probably more players to touch the ball on any given football play than what the Spurs are running. My guess is that the first person who gets the basketball goes for touchdown and if someone gets in the way they lateral.

The Spurs might actually benefit from having a hiker….

[CorrectCrusader]

I'm gonna blow a gasket

[Tyronn Lue]

The Spurs might actually benefit from having a hiker….
Half the team should take a hike

[scott]

And there are people who think we should just continue on with this core :lol

[rascal]

Then don't watch, just leave your usual comment how Spurs need to tank.


Solid start, but this Heat roster is on it's last legs.

I never said they should tank as they aren't going to tank with Wemby but they can lose enough because they aren't good, to get someone who can help out of the 25 draft.

[sananspursfan21]

Half the team should take a hike

Yeah, they’re wearing thin. I’m attached to Wemby, Castle, and Paul for knowledge. Outside of them, trade away Wro…er uh Wright

[Russ]

It's the uniforms.

[Tyronn Lue]

It's the suits.
Fixed

It's those wearing suits.

[ginobilized]

Just caught a bit of it, but, Mitch was talking about Pop bitching him out after every game.

I get the sense that Mitch's hands are tied a bit.

[Pauleta14]

I've received so much shit for my criticism of Tre "at best I don't move the needle" Jones for months that I admit, I enjoy witnessing all the turncoats... :lol

Next, Sochan... (a lot have already come to sense recently tho)

[YoungbuckMurray]

This team is awful

[scott]

Getting run out of the gym by a Heat team in complete disarray.

Keep Pounding the Rock.

[sananspursfan21]

They’re playing worse than last year.

[objective]

Brett Brown is rolling over in his grave what have the Spurs come to

[Mugen]

Blow it the f up tbh

[onechance87]

I've received so much shit for my criticism of Tre "at best I don't move the needle" Jones for months that I admit, I enjoy witnessing all the turncoats... :lol

Next, Sochan... (a lot have already come to sense recently tho)

same here my guy.

[YoungbuckMurray]

The offense is pathetic, just chucking all over the place, no good offensive sets or guys cutting/playing hard. Really pathetic and I would send a message by playing some of the 3rd stringers out of this timeout

[ace3g]

https://x.com/PaulGarciaNBA/status/1881079275584946489

https://x.com/PaulGarciaNBA/status/1881090399386620198

[Biggems]

20-2 to end the half. 26-11 in the 2nd Q. Now, down by 10. Mitch is being completely outcoached and the team is being completely outplayed. This has become the norm lately. Something needs to change.

[onechance87]

Heat really aint that good...Also shows how bad we are.No progress for this team

[sananspursfan21]

https://x.com/PaulGarciaNBA/status/1881079275584946489

https://x.com/PaulGarciaNBA/status/1881090399386620198

And I bet almost all of those down 10 wins came in the beginning of the season

[Biggems]

We are SAWFT soft when it comes to rebounding, finishing in the paint, and perimeter D.

[Thomas82]

Wow!!

[objective]

I guess there is some hope that Miami can catch Atlanta in the standings ?

Spurs can't catch a well managed or well coached team like Atlanta, but maybe other teams can

[Pauleta14]

Tbf it's on Mitch but also on the roster, we don't have the personnel to play vs Miami's 2 big men unit

Not sure Sochan would even have changed anything

[ginobilized]

Gotta get a copy of that Duncan Robinson poster

[sananspursfan21]

Hey, you guys remember when Wemby used to get lobs? That was so fun.

[YoungbuckMurray]

Play some players that actually want to try

[Mugen]

Soft loser as their franchise player tbh

I bet this clown will learn to stop shooting 3s and throw up alley oops when he’s a Knick :lol

[onechance87]

vassell defense is trash...what good d yall see from him lmao

[Manu-of-steel]

Sigh!!!!

[TheBallsbreakers]

Soft loser as their franchise player tbh

I bet this clown will learn to stop shooting 3s and throw up alley oops when he’s a Knick :lol
I'll save this one and hound you with it for the rest of Wemby's career you sensitive pussy haha

[ginobilized]

I want to see Mitch pull all the starters and go Serbian. The starters are in a daze out there.

The effort is embarrassing. Gotta find a spark here.

[sananspursfan21]

If they’re leaving it all on the floor and getting whooped, that’s fine. There is 0 urgency. That’s not acceptable.

[Manu-of-steel]

I dont fault Wemby. Imagining you're just 21 years old, expected to carry a team. Every night, tge opposing big get to rough house you. It would take a toll on your body

[Leetonidas]

This team is depressing to watch

[sananspursfan21]

Even CP3 don’t look like he cares.

[scott]

LOL, a lot of good that timeout did.

These guys are quiet quitting.

[LakerHater]

It's like wemby don't evn try on defense

[YoungbuckMurray]

Please take out all 5 of these guys and send a fucking message this is pathetic

[objective]

These games are made worse by the crap Shiner beer commercials with that tool loudly sighing and groaning while every other word is 'Texas'.

[Mugen]

The soft fuck doesn’t even wanna challenge shots anymore now, might as well put in Zollins

[scott]

vassell defense is trash...what good d yall see from him lmao

He apparently can only play good defense for a quarter, then he just goes back to his old ways

[CorrectCrusader]

This game is over. Bum ass team.

[ace3g]

7:32
https://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/teamlogos/nba/500/scoreboard/sa.png&scale=crop&cquality=40&location=origin&w=40&h=40
Harrison Barnes makes free throw 1 of 2
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5:33
https://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/teamlogos/nba/500/scoreboard/sa.png&scale=crop&cquality=40&location=origin&w=40&h=40
Devin Vassell makes 25-foot three point step back jumpshot (Tre Jones assists)
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[objective]

Time to put in Sidy, Mamu and Wesley and some energy.

[ginobilized]

Tre giving up the tres

[Mugen]

I'll save this one and hound you with it for the rest of Wemby's career you sensitive pussy haha

go for it you fat fuck :lol

[Robz4000]

Just send the franchise to Vegas tbh.

[Mugen]

Fn losers quit halfway through the season. Heads should roll tbh

[AusSpur]

Can you fire an interim coach?

[CorrectCrusader]

This team is so fucking pathetic. Bunch of losers who don't know or care enough to win.

[RC_Drunkford]

Mitch playing Zollins to find a spark :lmao

[Duncan2177]

What a dumpster fire.

[Thomas82]

This team is coming apart at the seams.

[scott]

:lol Spurs becoming the league's slumpbuster

[RC_Drunkford]

I hope they lose by 50 so somebody gets fired

[objective]

Big Brain going with Zollins, Brian Wright's greatest achievement.

Spurs basketball

[onechance87]

smh.....

[Biggems]

Our opponents play team ball and we have a bunch of checkers. We seem to run no set plays. Our guys just stand around and run isolation ball.

Our O has zero flow. On D we don't cover or contest anything. Then, we don't rebounding worth a shit.

[LakerHater]

Mitch Johnson is crap!!!

Switching to Rams/Eagles

[RC_Drunkford]

I heard it was Sochan's fault that we are losing all these games :lol

[sananspursfan21]

I bet Miami was thrilled when they saw San Antonio on the calendar after losing 3 in a row

[scott]

Expecting Vassell and Keldon to put up some nice garbage time stats now. They're back in their element and can relive the tank commander glory days

[LeBowen]

Something is very wrong with this team, everyone is completely checked out.
Embarrassing against a team that's about equal to our roster if we talk overall quality.

[Manu-of-steel]

Lo IQ plays by Champ

[CorrectCrusader]

This organization is no different than the Cowboys. Controlled by an egomaniac who thinks it's their way or the highway.

Losing, losing, losing. No growth or development, just losing. Award losing players with big contracts, and make no moves for good players.

Draft character guys who can't play basketball and then they find out that exposing themselves to women makes their dick hard.

If we didn't win a lottery we'd be the most pathetic team in the league.

[Pauleta14]

Lo IQ plays by Champ

per par.

[Mugen]

I hope they get absolutely embarrassed in Paris tbh

[ginobilized]

This unit looks better than the starters today. Champagne looks out of it. Would love to see Mamu instead.

[Larry O]

SMH. The way the Spurs are playing right now, it looks like another L incoming for the Spurs. And the next few games, including France and the RRT, will not be kind to them. By the beginning of March, they will be out of the playoffs. If this happens, it may be time to throw in the towel and get at least a top 10 lottery pick.

[scott]

I hope they get absolutely embarrassed in Paris tbh

What are the rules around Wemby electing to go back to Mets92?

[RC_Drunkford]

the only franchise that hasn't won 5 games in a row in the last 5 years. Det culture :lol

[sananspursfan21]

Not me lowkey wishing for things to get worse so the FO is FORCED to address this.

[ace3g]

End of 3rd





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[objective]

Champagnie must have the most bizarre, unexpectedly stupid turnovers ever

[LeBowen]

I hope they get absolutely embarrassed in Paris tbh

Pacers are 8-1 in their last 9, only loss being a 1-1 split against Cavaliers without Haliburton.
+98 in those 9 games.

They have good personnel to stop Wemby in Turner and Siakam, it could get really ugly.

[onechance87]

Something is very wrong with this team, everyone is completely checked out.
Embarrassing against a team that's about equal to our roster if we talk overall quality.

its starts with front office bringing this shit roster back together.Cp3 and barnes were ok pickups.
But staying with branham,wesley,collins,keldon,tre ect...Was bound to crash soon.Alot of us fans
called for a major change.But of course us fans dont know what we are talking about.

[CorrectCrusader]

Not me lowkey wishing for things to get worse so the FO is FORCED to address this.

They're not forced to address anything. If fans stop coming they'll just move to Austin.

[ace3g]

From Jan 3rd...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GgbCkwVW4AAbVXc?format=jpg&name=medium

[Pauleta14]

The amount of rebounds Wemby gifts to his teammates is unreal, he's really unselfish. Too much?

[ginobilized]

With the 8th pick in the 2025 NBA Draft the San Antonio Spurs select......Alex Karaban

On the positive side, maybe we could out tank Chicago and get their pick, too?

[CorrectCrusader]

The rodeo roadtrip is gonna hit this team like the JFK assassination

[LeBowen]

its starts with front office bringing this shit roster back together.Cp3 and barnes were ok pickups.
But staying with branham,wesley,collins,keldon,tre ect...Was bound to crash soon.Alot of us fans
called for a major change.But of course us fans dont know what we are talking about.

We know that PATFO and the coaching staff aren't up to the task, but I'm talking specifically about these past few weeks.
Choked away the second game against Denver, then fell apart in Chicago and it's been a steady decline ever since.
We lost winnable games before, but most were close and it looked like everyone gave their best effort despite the limitations.
What we've seen over these three games has been disgusting. Somewhat excusable because Memphis is a way better team, but today's game requires some serious answers because Heat aren't any better than the Spurs on paper.

Unfortunately, not a single serious question will be asked after the game, just generic nonsense.

[RC_Drunkford]

Wemby is getting outplayed by the 15th pick :lol

[Mal]

At this point, you better hope for better ping pong balls odds

[scott]

Our reality

https://i.ibb.co/pxhqS8s/cp3.jpg

[CorrectCrusader]

This team has no fucking clue on defensive rotations.

[ace3g]

Returning to last year's +\- in the 3rd quarter...

https://x.com/ClutchPoints/status/1881098529793302883

[CorrectCrusader]

Wemby could do that constantly if he wanted. RUN THEM FUCKING OVER BIG ASS BITCH

[onechance87]

We know that PATFO and the coaching staff aren't up to the task, but I'm talking specifically about these past few weeks.
Choked away the second game against Denver, then fell apart in Chicago and it's been a steady decline ever since.
We lost winnable games before, but most were close and it looked like everyone gave their best effort despite the limitations.
What we've seen over these three games has been disgusting. Somewhat excusable because Memphis is a way better team, but today's game requires some serious answers because Heat aren't any better than the Spurs on paper.

Unfortunately, not a single serious question will be asked after the game, just generic nonsense.

blame the coaching the last few weeks.Ever since they forced sochan and vassell back in the
starting lineup,Shit aint been the same.Different energy and vibes.

[Mal]

Wemby done for the night, nothign to watch left

[CorrectCrusader]

blame the coaching the last few weeks.Ever since they forced sochan and vassell back in the
starting lineup,Shit aint been the same.Different energy and vibes.

It's crazy how the downward spiral almost directly coincides with Vassell and Sochan being forced into the starting lineup.

[LeBowen]

Devin with 32 points on efficent 7-19 and *drumroll* -25 in 32 minutes.
(I don't really care since everyone is horrible, I just love how scott always points it out.)

[Mal]

blame the coaching the last few weeks.Ever since they forced sochan and vassell back in the
starting lineup,Shit aint been the same.Different energy and vibes.

Sochan is not even in the game, and they have won 1st quater, which starting lineup played most of the time

[Uriel]

Crazy how bad this team is on defense despite having the likely defensive player of the year.

[TekXX]

They're not forced to address anything. If fans stop coming they'll just move to Austin.

Austin is basically San Antonio Jr., they can't make it in SA they can't make it in Austin.

[scott]

Devin with 32 points on efficent 7-19 and *drumroll* -25 in 32 minutes.
(I don't really care since everyone is horrible, I just love how scott (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=150) always points it out.)

Vassell is great. You just have to look past the fact that our team is at it's worst when he's on the court.

[Mal]

Vassell is great. You just have to look past the fact that our team is at it's worst when he's on the court.

When Vassell is there, whole offense is just him dribble dribble left right and jump shot for mid range. Holy fuck

[Pauleta14]

Ware gets easy lobs and buckets when Wemby gets misplaced lobs

This roster... :lol

[scott]

When Vassell is there, whole offense is just him dribble dribble left right and jump shot for mid range. Holy fuck

I'm told that he is pretty darn good, consistently.

[RC_Drunkford]

I'm sure the sniffers will spin this saying that we are tanking :lol

[TekXX]

Vassell: dribble, dribble, dribble, dribble...chuck.

[ginobilized]

The only thing between us and a better record is better players and coaching.

You heard it here first

[Mal]

I'm sure the sniffers will spin this saying that we are tanking :lol

They are trying to win, but without using future assets to help the cause.

[LeBowen]

They are trying to win, but without using future assets to help the cause.

Yeah, we'll turn those future assets into more Branhams and Wesleys!

[Mugen]

They’re the worst team in the league

[Mal]

Yeah, we'll turn those future assets into more Branhams and Wesleys!

Or my favourite use of srp`s is drafting guys like Nunez.

But still, who is available for 3x frp or so ?

[RC_Drunkford]

honestly this franchise is not any better than the Kings or Hornets. They just viewed that way because of past accomplishments

[LeBowen]

Or my favourite use of srp`s is drafting guys like Nunez.

But still, who is available for 3x frp or so ?

We could've easily had Markkanen for those 3 Hawks FRPs, but front office masterminds were on the same level as casual fans thinking we'll get a top5 pick from a team with no incentive to tank.
It doesn't have to be a trade for an all-star, we can use ANY help. Literally any.
We all knew Collins and Keldon are horrible, they eat $35M of cap space and they made no efforts to move them.
I'm tired of writing the same shit over and over again.

[LeBowen]

They’re the worst team in the league

Remove Wemby and let's say Sarr (or Valanciunas) from the Wizards and they easily beat these Spurs.

[ginobilized]

At some point I need to understand how we are so bad at defending the 3. Is it just the personnel? The schemes? The principles?
Gotta fix this shit.

On the other hand, I see us ending with about 30 -33 wins when all is said and done. Maybe we get lucky again and get another blue chip player that already knows how to play?

[Spursfanfromafar]

Sag for Flagg. Harpoon for Harper.

[heyheymymy]

Spurs are tanking to get under CHI

[Manu-of-steel]

I think it's a combination of schemes and low IQ. In the 4th Q, ROzier hit a 3 because Vassell left him open. Barnes left Jacquez open for 3 because he tried to help Castle. In both instances, Vassell and Barnes didnt need to help. Even the 3s of Jovic, he was left open because his man tried to help in the paint.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

At some point I need to understand how we are so bad at defending the 3. Is it just the personnel? The schemes? The principles?
Gotta fix this shit.

On the other hand, I see us ending with about 30 -33 wins when all is said and done. Maybe we get lucky again and get another blue chip player that already knows how to play?


We continue to run the same defensive scheme that emphasizes protecting the paint. Problem is every team in the league runs their offense to free up their three point shooters.

But that's what you get with a narcissistic geriatric egomaniac running the team with an iron fist and a local media afraid to ask him or the organization any hard questions for fear of getting black balled.

[polandprzem]

no sochan no toughness


and that was horrific game.

[Mugen]

It’s so clear that Mitch has lost the team and yet this loser ass FO won’t do a thing.

just a terrible organization from top to bottom. Times like these are when it sucks that the franchise is located in irrelevant ass San Antonio. This shit would never fly with a market like LA tbh :lol

[Mal]

We could've easily had Markkanen for those 3 Hawks FRPs, but front office masterminds were on the same level as casual fans thinking we'll get a top5 pick from a team with no incentive to tank.
.

I dont believe that. They had to be a team willing to give that to Utah for Markannen.

[LeBowen]

Sag for Flagg. Harpoon for Harper.

Disgrace for Ace.
In the tomb for Edgecombe.

[onechance87]

Spurs are tanking to get under CHI

Even if we do,Chi still will be in top 10..Expect 76ers to pick it up soon and
bulls to really start tanking soon.

[rascal]

It’s so clear that Mitch has lost the team and yet this loser ass FO won’t do a thing.

just a terrible organization from top to bottom. Times like these are when it sucks that the franchise is located in irrelevant ass San Antonio. This shit would never fly with a market like LA tbh :lol

San Antonio journalists too afraid to call out the front office.

[Manu-of-steel]

Agree with this. We're protecting the paint as if today is Tim Duncan era where threes are not yet part of a team's key to winning. Even our players/coaches do not yet view threes as part of an effective strategy

[Raven]

castle has shown some of the worst defending we've seen on this team since marco belinelli.. and i don't name beli's shittiness in vain... one sequence in the second quarter made my head explode

[Raven]

It’s so clear that Mitch has lost the team and yet this loser ass FO won’t do a thing.

just a terrible organization from top to bottom. Times like these are when it sucks that the franchise is located in irrelevant ass San Antonio. This shit would never fly with a market like LA tbh :lol

kind of happens when you take half the team off the rotation for no reason

[LeBowen]

castle has shown some of the worst defending we've seen on this team since marco belinelli.. and i don't name beli's shittiness in vain... one sequence in the second quarter made my head explode

I was just wondering what happened to you and your awful Castle takes.
He was face guarding Herro in the first half, Herro had 3 points and 1 assist.

Second half was a disaster by everyone, but let's just blame Castle because that's your retarded gimmick.

[Raven]

I was just wondering what happened to you and your awful Castle takes.
He was face guarding Herro in the first half, Herro had 3 points and 1 assist.

Second half was a disaster by everyone, but let's just blame Castle because that's your retarded gimmick.


i can't seem to paste print screens... look up the action with 7:30 left in the second quarter.. but i warn you, wou will never be able to look at castle the same way ever again

[LeBowen]

i can't seem to paste print screens... look up the action with 7:30 left in the second quarter.. but i warn you, wou will never be able to look at castle the same way ever again

I remember the play, he fucked up, so what? Everyone fucks up, even the best defenders.
Him and Jeremy are the only two players on the roster who are consistently able to hold their own on the perimeter, everyone else is garbage.

I'm not going to blame a rookie who constantly has his role changed and is playing with a bunch of low IQ scrubs for a fuck up here and there.

[Raven]

I remember the play, he fucked up, so what? Everyone fucks up, even the best defenders.
Him and Jeremy are the only two players on the roster who are consistently able to hold their own on the perimeter, everyone else is garbage.

I'm not going to blame a rookie who constantly has his role changed and is playing with a bunch of low IQ scrubs for a fuck up here and there.

sorry to break it to ya, but the D has gone to shit since castle went back into the starting lineup.. partly because of other factors as well, such as playing bassey and tre jones, but most of it is just him playing very very low iq bball. I have faith in the player, but he shouldn't be playing more than 15 mins per game

[LeBowen]

sorry to break it to ya, but the D has gone to shit since castle went back into the starting lineup.. partly because of other factors as well, such as playing bassey and tre jones, but most of it is just him playing very very low iq bball. I have faith in the player, but he shouldn't be playing more than 15 mins per game

It's just impossible to talk basketball with you.
But I'm going to reply one last time, after that I'll just call out your retarded takes and not bother with arguments because there aren't any.

Castle got benched on 15th of December against Minnesota.
Was benched for 10 games and Spurs went 4-6 in that period.
Wins were against Blazers, Nets, Hawks (OT) and Clippers (B2B when they were completely checked out).
The best win in that stretch was against Denver when Jeremy was out and Castle started.
Our defensive rating in that period is heavily inflated by Nets and Clippers scoring just 86 and 87 points, respectively.
Nets that sat everyone and Clippers on already mentioned B2B.
Blazers scored 94, Timberwolves 106, in other 7 games Spurs gave up at least 110 points (not including OT points).
Castle averaged 18mpg in those 10 games off the bench.
Ideal by your standards and yet everyone with a functioning roster still dropped 110 points on these Spurs.

Then he got the starting role back when we started a stretch agianst playoff teams and it's all his fault defense is garbage? Even though he did well on his matchup every single game considering he's the one who guards opposition's best perimeter player?
But you're one of those fucking retards who's rather going to keep digging himself deeper than admit you were wrong.
Out of all the gimmicky retards on this forum full of lunatics you're the worst one and you never provide any arguments other than anecdotal evidence with no numbers to back it up.
Why do I even bother with idiots like yourself.

Castle is the only player other than Wemby who's showing some signs that he could be a long term piece, but you'd play him 15 minutes a game.
Since you like to act like a smartass, who would get more minutes? Castle plays 25mpg as of now, please elaborate on who between Tre, Wesley and Branham should get those extra 10 minutes?
Why do I even bother with some of you retards, ffs.

[Raven]

It's just impossible to talk basketball with you.
But I'm going to reply one last time, after that I'll just call out your retarded takes and not bother with arguments because there aren't any.

Castle got benched on 15th of December against Minnesota.
Was benched for 10 games and Spurs went 4-6 in that period.
Wins were against Blazers, Nets, Hawks (OT) and Clippers (B2B when they were completely checked out).
The best win in that stretch was against Denver when Jeremy was out and Castle started.
Our defensive rating in that period is heavily inflated by Nets and Clippers scoring just 86 and 87 points, respectively.
Nets that sat everyone and Clippers on already mentioned B2B.
Blazers scored 94, Timberwolves 106, in other 7 games Spurs gave up at least 110 points (not including OT points).
Castle averaged 18mpg in those 10 games off the bench.
Ideal by your standards and yet everyone with a functioning roster still dropped 110 points on these Spurs.

Then he got the starting role back when we started a stretch agianst playoff teams and it's all his fault defense is garbage? Even though he did well on his matchup every single game considering he's the one who guards opposition's best perimeter player?
But you're one of those fucking retards who's rather going to keep digging himself deeper than admit you were wrong.
Out of all the gimmicky retards on this forum full of lunatics you're the worst one and you never provide any arguments other than anecdotal evidence with no numbers to back it up.
Why do I even bother with idiots like yourself.

Castle is the only player other than Wemby who's showing some signs that he could be a long term piece, but you'd play him 15 minutes a game.
Since you like to act like a smartass, who would get more minutes? Castle plays 25mpg as of now, please elaborate on who between Tre, Wesley and Branham should get those extra 10 minutes?
Why do I even bother with some of you retards, ffs.

i'll just address this one: if you knew anything about data, you'd know that anecdotal is the only valid one for a rookie and it is frankly causing second hand embarrassment to argue about advanced stats..

[Jordan Jackson]

They’re the worst team in the league

Talent wise, I believe so.

Wemby playing out of his mind for the first half of season hid the lack of talent. Now that he’s out of gas - there’s nowhere for the chuckle fucks on this team to hide - including the coach.

[itzsoweezee]

I think it's a combination of schemes and low IQ. In the 4th Q, ROzier hit a 3 because Vassell left him open. Barnes left Jacquez open for 3 because he tried to help Castle. In both instances, Vassell and Barnes didnt need to help. Even the 3s of Jovic, he was left open because his man tried to help in the paint.

Two straight years of over helping in the paint with wembanyama manning the lane. It is just mind boggling at this point.

[Bruno]

I really don't like what Spurs are showing lately. In almost every game, there are stretches where the team disappears. It reminds me last season when they weren't able to play a full 48 minutes.

Spurs last 6 games:
L @ Bulls: a 32-13 stretch in the 4th quarter
L @ Bucks: 15-0 in the 2nd quarter and 23-7 in the 4th quarter.
W @ Lakers: a nice win
L vs Grizzs: 20-6 in the third quarter and 18-3 in the 4th quarter.
L vs Grizzs: 16-0 in the third quarter
L @ Heat: 20-2 in the 2nd quarter and 21-4 in the 3rd quarter.

Being outscored by 15 points in a few minutes should be a rare occurrence. It has been 1 or 2 times per game lately with Spurs.

[SpursBills]

Didn't manage to catch this game, but saw that Bam and Ware started next to each other in the second half - can anyone who caught the game comment on how successful this was, specifically offensively? Bam's been trying to stretch his range this season which has negatively affected his offensive performance, and Ware is a rookie who's a low volume 3 point shooter. Was Ware basically just camped at the 3 point line the entire time?

[Jordan Jackson]

Didn't manage to catch this game, but saw that Bam and Ware started next to each other in the second half - can anyone who caught the game comment on how successful this was, specifically offensively? Bam's been trying to stretch his range this season which has negatively affected his offensive performance, and Ware is a rookie who's a low volume 3 point shooter. Was Ware basically just camped at the 3 point line the entire time?

It’s a copy cat league. Spurs got exposed in that Grizzlies game. Any team capable is going to run two big lineups on the Spurs.

Ware did his damage in the paint.

Wemby has to defend the perimeter and the paint because no one can take ownership over their own defensive assignments. And for whatever reason they continue to over help. Wemby doesn’t need help in the paint. But he does need these dudes to at least attempt to keep their man infront of them.

[sananspursfan21]

They look like they’re pouting once they start missing consecutive shots

[Manu-of-steel]

Agree. It's a head scratcher, even sometimes, Wemby is upset that we foul a player when Wemby is already there to block the shot. Dunno if it's Coach Pop's design.

[Manu-of-steel]

Castle, Sochan, and Wemby are the only Spurs who can defend their man. Sometimes, Champ. The others are just meh.

[Spursfanfromafar]

Didn't manage to catch this game, but saw that Bam and Ware started next to each other in the second half - can anyone who caught the game comment on how successful this was, specifically offensively? Bam's been trying to stretch his range this season which has negatively affected his offensive performance, and Ware is a rookie who's a low volume 3 point shooter. Was Ware basically just camped at the 3 point line the entire time?

They packed the paint on defense and smothered Wemby there and his 3p accuracy fell of the cliff after the first quarter. They rendered Wemby ineffective (relatively) on defense by making him come out of the paint or having to guard 1 on 2. The worst part was the other players around them had a field time. There was barely any point of attack defense in the perimeter..every wing/guard was easily blown by and in the scramble..the Heat got easy 3 point shots and they scored almost of every one. At point between the 2nd and 4th quarters, I heard the commentator saying the Heat had shot 16 out of the last 21. They went on to shoot more.

It is plain evident that the talent around Wemby is so bad that when he has bad games, or he doesn't play ..except for flukes the Spurs are liable to be blown out of the gym.

And it is also clear that opponents are figuring out how to neutralize the Wemby threat with this talent around him. Must be very frustrating for Wemby but it also means the Spurs have to go back to the drawing board to work out a better way to fill the spots around him.

[onechance87]

They packed the paint on defense and smothered Wemby there and his 3p accuracy fell of the cliff after the first quarter. They rendered Wemby ineffective (relatively) on defense by making him come out of the paint or having to guard 1 on 2. The worst part was the other players around them had a field time. There was barely any point of attack defense in the perimeter..every wing/guard was easily blown by and in the scramble..the Heat got easy 3 point shots and they scored almost of every one. At point between the 2nd and 4th quarters, I heard the commentator saying the Heat had shot 16 out of the last 21. They went on to shoot more.

It is plain evident that the talent around Wemby is so bad that when he has bad games, or he doesn't play ..except for flukes the Spurs are liable to be blown out of the gym.

And it is also clear that opponents are figuring out how to neutralize the Wemby threat with this talent around him. Must be very frustrating for Wemby but it also means the Spurs have to go back to the drawing board to work out a better way to fill the spots around him.

We need a new development team as well.Majority of our young guys got worst at shooting.Vassell,sochan,collins,wesley,branham
jones ect all got worst at shooting.

[LeBowen]

i'll just address this one: if you knew anything about data, you'd know that anecdotal is the only valid one for a rookie and it is frankly causing second hand embarrassment to argue about advanced stats..

Typical "no, you" deflection.
40 games is enough of a sample size to see that our offense looks way better with Castle as a starter (proven on many occasions) and the defense is about the same with Castle/Jeremy as point of attack defenders.
We won 11 games with Castle as a starter, 8 with Jeremy.
Best wins when Jeremy started were Rockets on the opening night, one win against Minnesota and Hawks OT, but the defense in that game was garbage. Every other win was against tanking teams except for Clippers that were on a b2b and have given up before the game started.
With Castle starting we won against the Kings x2, Denver, Lakers, Warriors and OKC.

I was the first one to say that Jeremy should start when we need a defender on big wings, but that's about it.

This roster is straight up garbage and there's no reason whatsoever not to start and play Castle 30 minutes because he's already a solid contributor and easily has the highest ceiling on the roster. Wemby obviously excluded.
Jeremy is a huge negative on offense and while he can be a great glue guy, he just can't be a starter for serious teams until he develops a jumpshot.
Castle's shot is also bad, but at least he makes some and he's our best paint penetrator, which again says about the rest of the roster.

And in your retarded deflection you as per usual avoided a simple question.
If we go with your take that Castle should play 15mpg, which player should get those extra minutes on this laughable roster?

[TheBallsbreakers]

go for it you fat fuck :lol
You're right on that one at least haha

[Fireball]

the last three games have been pretty embarassing ... now on to France to face a Pacers team which has found its groove :downspin:

[rascal]

i can't seem to paste print screens... look up the action with 7:30 left in the second quarter.. but i warn you, wou will never be able to look at castle the same way ever again

Castle got toasted a couple of times on defense, couldn't stay with that little white guy.

I'm in the Wrong game thread